Seneca on Anger 1 of 3

[Omnivian]

This episode was the one I have liked the most so far. I think that Seneca was really accurate in finding the source of anger in expectation. I summarized and reacted to this episode on my blog, Intellectual Pursuit.

[oares00]

why for the hell must be the music that much high???

[1awareness]

"hope"

[1awareness]

.....

[mooseemall]

check out the horse that falls in the river at 3:26, the other horse keeps running into it, and it kick's the crap out of the other horse and dude goes flying

[Meanred1999]

I have a massive crush on the narrator. He's probably married to some mousy british woman with a PhD.

[NorthForkFisherman]

It's really hard to take the speakers analysis seriously when he's talking about underground chambers. He's actually in the Domus Aureus (Nero's Golden House) which was most definitely aboveground. I'm sure there were plenty of dungeons around in Julian times, but this was not one of them, and if the speaker cannot get the historical details correct, how can we really trust the evaluation he presents?

[limewinter]

worst music ever.

[CHINNUJACK]

Anger out of greed, this one is simply an acting, another is too strong, anger for survive.

[MattieA65]

Gotta love how that British-sounding music "compliments" the Roman cityscape. "Veddy" Roman...not.

[ggmobile1]

once i was angry i stabbed two people their lungs collapsed and they nearly died...judge gave me 2 year suspended sentence...

[longfootbuddy]

the world makes me rather angry..and though i know my anger hurts me, the opposite would be to become passive, and im not sure i want to be passive either

[Rigstong]

Regardless of who borrowed what and from whom, which is very difficult to prove anyway, someone who can appreciate Śāntideva will certainly appreciate Seneca, and vice versa. Kṣānti, which is a kind of intellectual-psychological receptivity to reality as such, no matter how unpleasant/painful, how profound, is said to be the best antidote to anger (which is, like desire and lust, said to be rooted in ignorance).

[LizBulas]

 I agree, the music is kind of annoying

[WindChildsWorld]

This slow loading is making me angry...

[PacRimJim]

"learn to be happy"?

I don't think so.

[JamesB609]

Terrific series, thank you very much. The series Nietzsche on Hardship was excellent too. I learned a lot.

[NearVSMello]

I don't know if the answer to anger is to stop expecting good things.

[naganokumas]

If I meet anyone who doesn't like Perez Prado, I feel compelled to ask them to step outside.

"AAaaghh! - Perez Prado.

"Doh!?" - Homer Simpson.

"Hmmm" - C and C Music Factory.

"Mmmmm" - Crash Test Dummies.

"Shit happens" - Seneca

[fntime]

I think anger originates from attachment to belief systems.

We feel because of this, that life should be a certain way,

when it isn't, we don't accept the reality, we judge something

to be wrong, and as Nietzche understood, we believe

it's evil, and therefore our reaction is to a believed 'evil',

rather than accepting the inaccuracy of our beliefs.

[railadvocate]

Is the "music" done intentionally to distract? When a thought is expressed, my mind attempts to assess the idea with my own thinking on it. Such noise rather interferes with that process...

[eacans]

i like the music...please dont change it.

[fartinacanstinky]

To relase anger is to have a big shit

[AtheistAnarchoRudi]

y the thumbs down this is a truth from the gods

[Blackjack555]

Go Seneca!

[lobotomizedman]

great series but the music is truly annoying.

[xerfes]

@lobotomizedman If I was an prOn movie director I would use it.

[xerfes]

@lobotomizedman @lobotomizedman If I was an pr0n movie director I would use it.

[flamevtx]

@lobotomizedman Ha! Thats the idea rs.

[SgtraneMnid]

Anger is a feeling that is part of us but we have hard to accept it in our lifes.. because it makes us think and see diffrently.. Why no take it with open arms and grow from it. thats the only way to understand the diffrent feeling we have alla the time but its only happiness we welcome. We have forgot the importance of anger. we reject it again and again. But Anger can learn us much.. Its amazing how diffrent we view things depending on what we fell..

[seneca555888]

My name is Seneca XD

[naganokumas]

Shit happens.

- Seneca.

[GregoriMarcus57]

Thanks for the post!

[daniel1402002]

I hope you're being ironic

[onetocome]

I was never more serious.

[wainscottbl]

Silly Protestant.....Stoicism goes very will with Christianity. the Church Fathers liked him very much, but Calvinists just praise Jesis.

[formless777]

So optimism leads to angry outbursts according to Seneca. Interesting. As a person who has had to drive for a living in the past, I found that treating traffic like walking through the rain was useful. You don't take rain personally and get angry, but you don't want to get wetter than you have to...

[formless777]

Stoicism was heavily influenced by Buddhist missionaries. The two philosophies are very mutually compatible.

[simc1234]

Err .. what evidence to you have to support this claim?

[unapologeticmind]

@formless777 This "Buddhist influence" is pure speculation on the same level as Jesus' supposed visit to India. It also misses the whole point with Stoicism, since Buddhism teaches you how to achieve detachment from your worldly life while Stoicism teaches you how to best cope with obstacles while living your life. Buddhism is a mystical approach to existence with a lot of supersticious elements, while Stoicism is a practical hands-on approach to living life...

[formless777]

@unapologeticmind

You are simply wrong about Stoicism's Buddhist origins being speculative. Buddhism had informed Greek thinking from the time of Alexander the Great and did so for a long time thereafter. While many crucial records were destroyed by the scourge of Islamic madness, there is more than enough evidence to prove the direct links. I suggest you look up Graeco-Buddhism.

[unapologeticmind]

@formless777 Greek philosophy did influence Buddhism due to Alexander the Great's conquests, however there is no evidence for influence the other way around,.In fact there's much evidence against it. Read Greco-Buddhism#Philosophical_i­nfluences at Wikipedia to learn more...

[formless777]

@unapologeticmind

Then you are guilty of reading too little and only that which supports your point. There is more than Wikipedia out there, and having read  that article consider the parts about Diogenes Laertius,Strabo on Onesicritus, Asoka on converting Greek populations, Greek "Yona" (Ionian) monks, etc. etc.

For a more scholarly engagement try:

The awakening of the west: the encounter of Buddhism and Western culture By Stephen Batchelor

[unapologeticmind]

@formless777 If anyone is gulty of anything, then you're the one guilty of a thing called bias. Claiming Buddhist origins of Western rational philosophy is, to put it nicely, an assertion made out of thin air... I'm not sure what relevance a book by a multiple convert to various Buddhist sects has to do with the issue, he's not a historian nor scholar. Do you have evidence to prove your claims? No? Then please show some Buddhist enlightenment and restraint by not spamming on non-Buddhist videos.

[formless777]

@unapologeticmind

You are falling into the error of supposing that only one student of antiquity has reached this conclusion about Buddhism's links to Stoic philosophy. Stephen Bachelor is only one scholar, I provided to support the idea, do you really want or expect me to provide you with a total list of all the 18th Century Germans etc. who reached the same conclusion ?

[unapologeticmind]

@formless777 Zen master does not equal scholar, impressions do not equal facts. You can find common threads between any two philosophical traditions if you just look hard enough. It's only logical since there is a common human experience on which all philosophical ideas are based. But other than that, for concrete claims we have to rely on facts (man, I love Western rationality!). We know for a fact that Buddhism borrowed ideas from Greek philosophy, however the reverse is pure speculation...

[formless777]

@unapologeticmind

True, Zen master does not mean scholar, nor does it NOT mean scholar. It is not a question of common philosophical threads, it is a question of verifiable historical figures, specifically men like Appollonius of Tyana going east, but also Buddhist proselytizers coming West to Greece, Egypt, and Rome etc. The facts are there in the ancient historical record if you care to bother to look. I love Western rationality too, more than you even, it would seem...

[bebebelle]

Thank you very much for this! I love Alain de Botton (if I recognize the narrator correctly).

[standtoreason]

The first minute is a total self-indulgent waste of time for the viewer. Get out of the way of your message, which doesn't start until time 2:22 and really get going till 4:00.

[jodyrea]

The consequences of power madness or anger? Man progressing morally? I know people if not taken away and locked up would still likely behave like Nero? Today they medicate you or lock you up before you get a chance to act it out. Anti-psychotics anyone?

[twelveoseven]

Too bad this video doesn't mention that Seneca was a Stoic and its obvious influence on his ideas.

[pedrogas79]

THANKS!!!

[PhilosophicalMedia]

YW!