Osama Abdallah Refutes the "Crucifixion" in 3 mins? osama abdullah

[Lizzio1980]

Lol it makes no sense at all.

If jesus(pbuh) is god he just got killed by romans/jews.

The bible even tells people that praying is beter then sacrafice, so you dont even need to belief it.

Also according to the bible jesus(pbuh) didnt want to die, he was hunted on by the jews and romans so it isnt a sacrafice but a horrible death. Why should someone els carry the sins of a other, while you have your own mind to do what-ever you like.

[MrMythbuster1]

what about Jews who killed Jesus P.B.U.H?

1- Go to hell?

2- Go to heaven?

If God wanted Jesus to die than those Jews shall be rewarded heaven, but if they choose to kill Jesus than GOD simply did not want Jesus to die!

Choose your self

I myth is busted!

Not even the bible says he DIED! being on the cross does not mean to die! it takes days to kill some one if you nailed to cross, to give quick death you must break the legs to make him/her suffocate

no such thing happened!

God cant DIE

Peace

[ayamen1]

Great vidoe brother , jazakallah khyer .

How God dies on a cross ? Does not make any sense .

[followerofjesus1984]

on the first point, the man makes 2 mistakes by putting yes in the word of my lord, u can not and will not see it

then he mixes 2 tests up 2nd and 3 rd, by say to jump off a high mountain and he will be saved, 1stly jumping off the temple is the second one, and the mountain is the third one which does not state jumping off

[hchsbp1]

@followerofjesus1984

Ur right, Jesus doesn't say "yes" in Matthew. However, what he does say is a clear confirmation of what the devil said to him regarding the scripture:

"7Jesus answered him, "It is ALSO written: 'Do not put the Lord your God to the test.'

Key word here is "also". This word alone shows that Jesus affirms the prophecy that the devil quoted.

As for mixing the 2nd and 3rd test; who cares? It's s simple mistake that has no bearing on the argument put forth,

Peace

[followerofjesus1984]

@hchsbp1 the point im making is that no where in the bible does even record or say jesus is tempted to do anything, infact he rebukes the devil

a ---- there is no mention of a mount in psalms ninety one, nor is there atemptation reflecting this, about being asked to jump off a mountain, but in regards, its that he was tempted to jumpoff the pinnacle of a temple and this fail

[followerofjesus1984]

@hchsbp1 b ---- then he trys to refute the crucifixion with shoddy tactics, psalms is not even to do with this, and nither can he bring two seperate events

this is called coflatinion, which u have no point to object make one up, no matter distorted the text is, and how decitful the move is

and who care me and a million believers who know what the truth is ---- so that is who cares, and if u had any respect for the truth u would not support him

[hchsbp1]

@followerofjesus1984

ONE

Thank u for ur response

U wrote: "there is no mention of a mount in psalms ninety one, nor is there atemptation reflecting this, about being asked to jump off a mountain"

Reply: U are correct; however this is not the reference in Psalms 91 that he was talking about. Rather, the reference is in verse 11 "For he shall give his angels charge over thee..."

Which is what is referenced in Matt. 4:6. So u are wrong in stating that Pslams has nothing to do with this

[followerofjesus1984]

@hchsbp1 well, i know what psalms ninety on says, but the whole fact is he made a grave mistake in saying this debunks the crucifixion, when this is the reason he cames, psalmninety one is only reflected in the temptation and all three temptations we're a failure

plus there is a deeper meaning to it, it was see if he could withstand the attacks, and to show his power over eliments

[followerofjesus1984]

@hchsbp1 maybe u have not read what i said propely, i said psals has nothing to do with the crucifixion, but is only in regards to the trials of satan, so im not wrong

[hchsbp1]

@followerofjesus1984

TWO U wrote: "no where in the bible does even record or say jesus is tempted to do anything, infact he rebukes the devil"

Reply: On this point, u are also mistaken.

Hebrews 2:18: "For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted..."

Hebrews 4:15: "...but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin"

As for the "who cares" comment I made. This was in reference only as far as the debate is concerned. I apologize if I offended u.

[followerofjesus1984]

@hchsbp1 they were tests, for our sakes, and no, but i was talking in regards of jumping off a mountain, and this is not the first time ive heard him say this exact arguement

regarding hebrews two : eighteen and four fifteen , this is clearly gonna make u say sorry cause i never said there's passage reflecting his temptation cause i know there's passage reflecting the trials, but there is not one saying he gave in and did not sin

[followerofjesus1984]

@hchsbp1 As for the "who cares" comment I made. This was in reference only as far as the debate is concerned. I apologize if I offended u.

in what sence do u refer to ---- only as far as the dabate is concern, cause most muslims debaters i have seen set up double standard and inconsistance, they give great reveiws of there own faith but twist thing to suit there own idea of another, and when we give the truth reflecting theirs, they say oh no, that no waht it mean

[hchsbp1]

@followerofjesus1984

ONE

U wrote: "well, i know what psalms ninety on says, but the whole fact is he made a grave mistake in saying this debunks the crucifixion"

Reply: The reason why he states that Psalms 91 debunks the crucifixion is because, if u read the chapter, it clearly states that God will save him. If the devil made reference to Psalms 91 stating that the angels will protect Jesus, then how could it be possible that he was crucified?

Continued...

[followerofjesus1984]

@hchsbp1 psalms ninety one does not apply to the crucifixion, as this is the whole plan of sending his son to die for the sin, and bringing us close to Gof the father

a ------ to use this passage against the crucifixion is very despararte on his part, cause not only does he say its about jumping of the mountain, when its not, there no mountain in the chapter of psalms, but this does and can not be used against the crucifixion, as they two different things

now ur mixing things up,

[followerofjesus1984]

@hchsbp1 if psalms was used in the trial of jesus in matthew four, and then it can only be for purpose and nothing else,

osama actually said satan tempted him jump off the mountain and reference both psalms ninety one and matthew four : eight, which both contain nothing of the kind,

and the crucifixion is still untouch as psalms doesnt refute it, as its not about this event

[hchsbp1]

@followerofjesus1984

TWO

Osama made a good case when citing Psalms 91 because it has very clear passages about Jesus being saved. For example, verse 15 clearly states that he will answer Jesus' prayer in Matt. 26:39. Did this prayer go unanswered?

U wrote: "i said psals has nothing to do with the crucifixion, but is only in regards to the trials of satan, so im not wrong"

Reply: As stated already, it has a lot to do with it and I believe Osama made a good case

Continued...

[followerofjesus1984]

@hchsbp1 psalms doesnt say he will answer jesus prayer, so not accriate,

have read the whole prayer or just not really bother of the whole content of it, cause it goes onto sayif this cup can not be taken away then i must drink it, and you will be done

in other word this situation is not negociatable, , and that he must die in other to appease the fathers raft

as for osama case it was based on false information, and that is not a good case

[hchsbp1]

@followerofjesus1984

THREE

U wrote: "regarding hebrews two : eighteen and four fifteen , this is clearly gonna make u say sorry cause i never said there's passage reflecting his temptation cause i know there's passage reflecting the trials, but there is not one saying he gave in and did not sin"

Reply: This is what u wrote previously: "no where in the bible does even record or say jesus is tempted to do anything"

[followerofjesus1984]

@hchsbp1 it was a misqoute, i meant to say and did say in the next part what i meant just read it in full

This is what u wrote previously: "no where in the bible does even record or say jesus is tempted to do anything regarding him sinning,

he was tempted for our sake but never had sin in him in other words

[hchsbp1]

@followerofjesus1984

FOUR

Heb. 2:18 and 4:15 clearly say he was tempted. Now, if u want to retract this statement u made, that is fine, however the point stands that u were wrong in stating that the bible does not state that he was not tempted.

Look, I could be tempted to eat chocolate, but refuse. Does this mean I ate the chocolate? No. But does this mean I was tempted? Yes.

Similarly, Jesus was tempted to do evil, but refused. Did he commit evil? No. Was he tempted? Yes.

Get it?

[hchsbp1]

@followerofjesus1984

FIVE

U wrote: "but i was talking in regards of jumping off a mountain"

Reply: Ur concentrating on the wrong part of the argument. Osama's argument does not hold "jumping off of a mountain" to be of any importance. U need to listen carefully to what he is saying.

The "who cares" comment was made in reference to the incorrect order of the temptation trials. It doesn't matter so far as the debate or point he is making is concerned.

[followerofjesus1984]

@hchsbp1 sorry but if ur gonna ankor a auguement with this line then what u say must be true and refect what happened, and as we have seen it didnt happen in the way he wanted it to,

so the arguement was based on false info

how ever if he said he was offered the riches and kingdoms of the world as a temptation then he point would be valid

[followerofjesus1984]

@hchsbp1 but as he didnt hold to what the scripture actually say and make a false arguement of saying he was tempted to jump off a mountain in in matt four, and in psalms ninety four

and then false made it in connection of the crucifixion by say the angels will recue him or protect him from something that God clear planned as the whole bible declare, this is my point

[hchsbp1]

@followerofjesus1984

SIX

Ur reading my comments, but ur not understanding them.

Just like u are hearing what Osama is saying, but ur are not listening.

[followerofjesus1984]

@hchsbp1 well actually hearing his arguement and cause i know what the scripture follow actually say and teach, i am tach apart hs arguement and show how weak it is

[followerofjesus1984]

@hchsbp1 and as for ur comments i have objection again as ur not the person who mde false arguementation for his statement

[hchsbp1]

@followerofjesus1984

Okay, I'm not too sure I fully understand what u r trying to say, so in order to clarify things a bit for me, please answer these questions:

1- Why did the devil refer to Psalms 91 in Matthew?

2- What is Psalms 91 suppose to be about?

If u would like, send me a personal message with ur response to these questions and I guess we could take it from there.

Peace

[followerofjesus1984]

@hchsbp1 no problem, psalms ninty one in its self it is a general statement about anybody who is follower of God, and depends upon him, and not just about yeshua,

and the whole reasion it used in matthew four one - eleven, and other subsequent verses is to high light the situation --- cause this whole situation of the testing and trials of satan is give us a highlight of the power with in jesus and that he is strong enough for the mission

[followerofjesus1984]

@hchsbp1 one ---- the point of psalms being used is to highlight that u can not tempt God, and it also brings out the fact that jesus is the son of God

but the qoute was to bring either one of two responses either jesus would be tempted into doing the sin, or he would stand firm and rebuke satan

and as the latter wis evident then jesus had control

[followerofjesus1984]

@hchsbp1

the whole of psalms ninety one, essentailly is about the theme of protection for any servant of God, and is applied in the temptation to try and disrobe jesus

and it only useage is in reference to the trials and testing, and can never used to debunk the crucifixion, so what osama had done is dishonest and it was off topic, if u just watch the whole debate between him and nabeel qureshi, he never even tried to talk about nabeels points but attacked the bible

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[whyahmadiyya]

What exactly is he trying to prove? Is he saying that Prophet Jesus (may peace be on him) was put on the cross and was then saved or is he saying that he was never put on the cross in the first place and was taken up somewhere where he's been sitting for the past 2000 years?

[getaranjiwaramlee]

Yes I agree with you the teaching of Christianity that Jesus Christ is the incarnate of God. So is the teaching of Hinduism which said Ramayana is the incarnate of God and Budhism which teach Gautama Budha is the incarnate of God and many other pegan religions.

[Pharaoh714]

Isaiah 53 - But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, And by His stripes we are healed. 6 All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned, every one, to his own way; And the LORD has laid on Him the iniquity of us all. 7 He was oppressed and He was afflicted, Yet He opened not His mouth; He was led as a lamb to the slaughter....

[TheFreedomwings]

Does it say it was about Jesus! Or it it say he WAS a GOD!

I even find the Jews disagrees on that point and say Isaiah 53 was a bout the suffering of the Jews in general !

[Pharaoh714]

Yes it is talking about the Messiah and it does say He is God let me show you..

Isaiah - 9:6

For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

-- Notice the Son will be called (MIGHTY GOD).

Christ on the Cross also shouts Pslam 22 - "My God My God" which says they crusified me and on my clothes they cast lots.

[TheFreedomwings]

In Isaiah - 9:6

It says he is "CALLED"

Meaning, other will call him that !! it doesnt say HE IS GOD

I can call a child "angel" because she is so innocent but does it me SHE IS an ANGEL ??

According to Mark and Mathew the one who was crucified said " My God My God" as in Psalm 22

But when we look at John's and Luke's we dont see him say that there ??!!!

[Pharaoh714]

so If you call someone Everlasting Father , and God that means your just saying it for fun?.... This is God speaking... UNTO US .. plural... and Why would God say such a thing? why would God say someone ie the Messiah will be Called God and Son? Even David said in the Pslams..

The Lord said to my Lord sit on my right hand till I make your enemies your foot stool.. Why does David say he has two Lords? Keep in mind David is a King he calls no one Lord except God, who is the Other?

[YahyaSnow]

Brother Pharaoh

This is all your opinion...you seem intent in believing that a man is God...your choice, but in my view the Islamic belief makes more sense

Food for thought...Jesus is described as the son of David inthe Bible...surely that proves he is not God...

[followerofjesus1984]

@YahyaSnow interesting thought, but still there is a reason for this

God through the old testament declared his plan to send his son, who would be the off shot of jesse , a desecendant of david and abraham, in psalms two, isa, nine, and eleven and so forth

and then the whole point u being up about the qoute of pro - longing his days and saying this fits into the islamic theory, im not certain of how when u think about the context of the passage

[followerofjesus1984]

@YahyaSnow it states with a out lay of of different reason for the event , which are about the purpose of his death,

then says he will be cut off from the land of the living, placed in a rich mans tomb, , then the lord will crush him and make him suffer ---- preference to the attonement of sin, then it say he will his off springs and pro long his days, i believe that if u let the whole context stand , it mean in a spiritual sence cause of the fact his a spiritual person in the trinity

[itcrowdfan92]

Hebrew word used here is "el," which in the Hebrew refers to man as "men of rank, mighty heroes." It does NOT refer to a God for humans.

According to your "literal" standards of taking this Hebrew word meaning for as "God," then you should also apply the same standards for: Exodus 15:11, since this shows OTHERS were called gods. The Hebrew word used is the SAME. (el)

It doesn't mean that they're God; same way, it doesn't make Jesus as God, otherwise you also have to agree others are also God

[faro0485]

If jesus was crucified then there was no miracle. But Jesus said that the only sign they would get that he would be like Jonah for 3 days and 3 nights... and Jesus met that sign, and they like the whale failed to devour him.

[itcrowdfan92]

The verses does NOT mean he was wounded for their sins, it means because of people's sins, he is suffering for that.

Hebrew word used for "wounded" is "chalal," which means: "defiled, profane, wounded, polluted.

People have been wounded/defiled before. Does that mean that caused them death? NO. According to your standards, someone "pierced" makes them dead, which is irrational

[itcrowdfan92]

Jesus DID open his mouth on trial in John 18:34-36. On the cross: Matthew 27:47, Luke 23:43.

Moreover, further proof that this doesn't mean he died for our sins is: If you blaspheme against holy spirit, you will eternally NEVER be forgiven (Mark 3:29, Matthew 12:32, Luke 12:10).

People disbelieve holy spirit is part of trinity which = blasphemy in Christianity, which means they can NEVER be forgiven. So, it is impossible for me to convert to Christianity, according to the Bible.

[itcrowdfan92]

The Christians claim Jesus was saved through resurrection, but this proves he wasn't save of harm or fear, which Psalm 91 says. Moreover, the chapter says he will not be harmed at all, which Jesus was according to Christians. You cannot be saved through resurrection, because it implies he suffered and abandoned.

You can download this debate from the answering-christianity site

[Tchado1000]

Which debate is that ?

[YahyaSnow]

This should induce further thought and discussion, please be respectful. Abdallah raises interesting points during his opening statement in a debate...well worth considering, points which Abdallah considers potent. This is Abdallah's view, please show respect even if you disagree with it.

Commentary is not from Abdallah.

Note...this is a tiny segment from a 2hr discussion/debate.

[followerofjesus1984]

@YahyaSnow nothing he raised was really that important to the debate, he continually misqouted and fasified information for his own purpose, psalms ninety one in its slf is not just about one person , but can be pplied to anyone, but it was used in matt four as a pompting to entice jesus which failed

and it has nothing to do with the crucifixion, so this point has no bearing on nabeels case, and was of topic, he did no dress one single poin of nabeels

[followerofjesus1984]

@followerofjesus1984 the cntent of nabeel statement was from a hstorical prespective and not from a biblical one, althogh he did use one bible reference as standpoint

plz if this seems disrepectful, then i apoligise as it not my intention, im giving my thought on the debate, so yahya if anything i have said is harsh, forgive me as im just give a reveiw,

[HOMELANDorDEATH]

@YahyaSnow salam alaikum brother. a quick question. at 1:19 osama said he(jesus pbuh) will observe with his own eye the death of the other or wicked. is this "other" referring to the dajjal(antichrist) or the person who was crucified in jesus(pbuh) place???

[Bashir38]

A loving creator would never abandon his chosen messenger to torture and death. The Christians' cruxifixction is a myth.

We thank Allah for the blessing of Islam. Jazak Allah Khair.

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