This is a hot topic this morning. I used to attend the Kingdom Hall. I was on the T.M.School and was deep in the study. I fell away and became heavy with sin. Sin is the point. Satan has Separated the Church of God Jehovah/YWEH/ALLAH. Cant you see it from your brother's perspective? We are one people under the Father God and We are Saved through His Son Jesus. As long as we believe these things that Jesus taught and keep to the commandments. We are Saved! First we repent of our sins of inequity
when u dont twist the bible like a lawyer or politician finds loopholes then u would know wat luke 10:7 is talking about. why dont people read that one little chapter to find out wat its talking about. stop the gayness for apostates and or your cult members. JW's dont do bad. john 15:20 says to christians which means (footstep followers of christ) that they will be persecuted. JW's r being persecuted for trying be be like jesus and keeping a clean life and preaching.
I believe spending your time and energy trying to shoot down people that attempt to do positive things in our world just makes you a lesser person. JW's may be annoying, but they have contributed more to society than you guys ever will. Anyway, the Bible says love your enemy - your channel shows that you obviously don't follow the bible. Didn't Jesus say his true follower would be hated? Your channel has made me think - maybe they are doing something right?
@MsTrevstar - Does going around telling people that their religion is part of an evil system, and if they don't change that they'll be destroyed at bloody Armageddon sound like a "positive" thing or a condemnatory message?
Yes the Bible says love your enemy. Channels like this wouldn't need to exist if the Watchtower didn't preach so much animosity toward every other religion and institution and against former members. Why does the Watchtower exude such paranoia and animosity?
its so sad how nobody reads the bible to loo for answers. that's why they preach to teach uneducated ones. their bible only puts god's name in it and doesnt say hell, but gehenna. so sad that ppl dont understand that the message wont be preached by nobody. so sad for butt hurt apostates hating cuz the got banned for turning gay or something detestable. they dont disfellowship people for no reason. why dont u look for why and stop being gay and or detestable. no religion proves JW's wrong u know
@dangerman808 - Thanks for demonizing everyone who is a "banned" member of your religion. That makes you sound like Scientology, which is a cult.
You think "no religion proves JW's wrong" but that's in your mind. In many other people's minds the Watchtower is equally wrong. But another trait of a cult is that they believe that only their leadership has God's truth, no matter how often they change their teachings. (The WT changes teachings more than any other religion known to humankind.)
@quietsparks1 - Your post in "ALL CAPS" illustrates why many people think JW's are a cult. They demonize any former associate who dares criticize the organization.
If you don't want the word "cult" to be associated with your organization, then JW's should stop acting in a cult-like manner by attacking former members.
@cooper79jeffr Did you say my cult? I am studying and still catholic. CAPS means I want to make my point clear to everyone. So far, I have learnt that JWs never go to war and thats a Plus for them.
@quietsparks1: I agree that JW's stance on warfare is a plus for them. That's one point on which I agree with them.
I didn't say "your cult". I just pointed out that your comment sounded like it came from someone who's in one. Scientologists are a prominent cult that tries its best to demonize and generally make life miserable for its ex-members. Be careful that JW's don't fool you into doing the same cultlike thing. I am not under Satan's control just because I think differently than the WT.
@cooper79jeffr Good, we now agree that they have a plus on warfare. Do you think they also have a plus for SAYING NO TO FORNICATION. If you refuse to stop fornication, they remove you from their congregation. Do you think this another plus?
@quietsparks1 - I'd say that although they agree with the Bible on the basic tenet, that they aren't the only ones who preach that - and even the Mormons include that course of action among their reasons for excommunication.
I'd also add that a top-down command to shun someone, the way the Watchtower does it (along with secret committee meetings) is not entirely Biblical. However that's another discussion for another day. Religions certainly have the right to enforce rules of conduct.
@cooper79jeffr ONE YOUTUBER YESTERDAY TOLD ME THAT THE GOVERNING BODY OF JWS SAYS JWS SHOULDN’T WATCH OR LISTEN TO APOSTATE. SINCE I AM STUDYING, I ASKED ONE OF JWS IF THIS IS TRUE. HE SAID YES AND GAVE ME A BIBLE AID BOOK THAT LOOKS AT APOSTATE. THE AID WAS VERY GOOD AND IT POINTED OUT THE SCRIPTURES ON APOSTATE. IT ALSO SHOWS AREAS IN WHICH APOSTATE CAN BE FOUND AND YOUTUBE IS ONE OF THEM. I LOVE GOD AND THE BIBLE, SO I WILL NOT DISCUSS ANYMORE. DONT REPLY, I WILL NOT READ.
I commend you in your further study of the Bible. Did you know that attacking the Catholic church is the bread and butter of the Watchtower? They've made a good living bringing up the many blunders of the Roman Catholic Church yet ignore their NUMEROUS False prophecies! Didn't Christ say, "beware of False Prophets?
" Correct, JW's don't go to war but when CT Russell was beginning his cult in the late 18 and early 1900's, This Freemason was totally in support of it!
Finally i got a response from another youtube clip about JW's & family members leaving the congregation Here is a quote from JW's Awake Magazine from july 2009,pge29 article Is it wrong to change your religion. No one should be forced to worship in a way that he finds unacceptable or be made to choose between his beliefs and his family. So finally the JW's are not tied down to their religion & so the congregation should not hold anymosity toward a members upon choosing to accept another faith
@sluggfish - Yes the Awake said no one should be made to choose between beliefs and family. But they still enforce their rule against family members whose beliefs no longer match theirs and openly choose not to be a JW any more. Some would say this is ironic, others hypocritical. JW's would say that the article was talking only about people coming into their organization, not people who are leaving or have already left.
@cooper79jeffr according to the awake the quote is from your own & not another & why if not your own would they even give it a mention like you say Hypocritical which leaves me to think it's ambigous from your side then." no one should be forced to worship in a way he finds unacceptable" This is from your own religion! your own magazine it's honourable & should be applied to all religions, What is wrong with that, I'm no JW & agree with it's common sense don't you think it's inline with choice?
You did a pretty lame job of using the bible. You also misused the verse in Luke and misapplied the meaning of it altogether. You're going to have to do better than this. I don't participate in any religion any more but I have to say maybe if more of you actually did something to spread the message instead of just criticizing the JWs you might convince me of your intentions. Seems like all you're interested in is badmouthing them which isn't hard to do.
@minermike61 - There is no "the message". Everyone has their own spin on what the Bible's message supposedly is. Are you seriously expecting everyone from every religion to go out door-to-door on Saturday mornings?
Like you I don't participate in any religion any more. However I don't doubt the intentions of the video-maker. It is to show that there are other ways to publicize a message other than going to people's doors dressed as a salesperson.
...the fact is they would never be at that person's door who is offering hospitality had they not been going from door to door in the first place. And notice it says to stay in the house and accept what the homeowner PROVIDES, so the disciples would clearly move on from a house whose owner provided nothing.
@technopagan724 - Seems like everyone and anyone takes scripture and applies it to suit their notions. The Watchtower does this too. They use their interpretation of verses to convince their members that every believer must be a door-to-door preacher. But Ephesians 4:11 shows that evangelization is actually a special gift, exactly the same as being an apostle or prophet is. Surely JW's don't teach that all believers are prophets.
@cooper79jeffr So if we look at that verse...everyone has an assignment, either prophet, evangelizer, shepherd apostle, or teacher. Since most of us are neither prophets, apostles, or shepherds, then we must be either evangelizers or teachers (that's assuming that a single person cant't take on multiple roles). So we are to evangelize or teach (which amounts to the same thing), whereas Matt. 24:19 clearly tells us to make disciple of people of all the nations...
@cooper79jeffr ...you're right that many people do take verses out of context, but if you are doing it while at the same time criticizing others for doing it, then you're no better than the hypocritical pharisees. That was (part of) my original point
@technopagan724 ..as for your assertion that JWs take scriptures out of context, would like to see exactly what scriptures you had in mind when you said that and how JWs take them out of context.
@technopagan724 - If you're looking for an example that JW's take scriptures out of context, I'll point you to your own explanation of Ephesians 4:11. You claimed that the verse means "everyone has an assignment". However the verse doesn't say that. It was talking about those with special gifts given by Christ.
Also you said Matthew 24:19 "tells us" to make disciples. I think you meant 28:19. Anyhow he didn't say HOW it would be done -- and no Bible verse says each Christian must evangelize.
@cooper79jeffr drop down to verse 16 where it talks about the functioning of "each respective member" of the body. The illustration of the body was not chosen at random. There is not a member of our bodies that does not play a role in the functioning of the whole body (except possibly the tonsils and the tail bone). And you may be right that it the Bible does not demand that our ministry be done in this way or that...but one way or another it must be done.
@technopagan724 I am currently studying w/ the witnesses but not baptized, my own personal ministry (at this point) consists of a blog...you can certainly use whatever resources are at your disposal and whatever means you can to spread the word, but you cannot (truthfully) deny that Jesus wanted his followers to spread the word.
@technopagan724 - Verse 15 of Ephesians 4 starts with the word "but" which separates verses 15 and 16 from what came before. The "whole body" is supposed to be filled with truth and love - that's what verse 16 is talking about (in context).
Yes Jesus said his word would be spread. The Watchtower insists that every member be some sort of saleperson / publisher to spread ITS message - basically that everyone but them will be destroyed at Armageddon. Good news? Of the kingdom? Not necessarily.
"exactly what scriptures you had in mind when you said that and how JWs take them out of context."
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How about Matthew 24:45-47? Or the entire chapter of Daniel 4? The foundation of their entire system of governance is based on the MISapplication of these verses, trying to "prove" that they are speaking about the governing body and the "slave class".
That's just ONE example of misapplying scripture and taking them out of context.
@FearNoWeapon777 It is true that the so-called FDS interpretation is misleading. In fact, there is plenty of precedent for demonic influence to infiltrate God's organization. When Israel became apostate, did they stop being God's people? Not until Christ did away with the old covenant. Until that point, the Israelites were still expected to obey their leaders as representatives of God. Then God did away with the system according to his own time table...
@FearNoWeapon777 ...The same is true today. JW's are God's people. That is evidenced by their restoration of correct doctrinal interpretation (denunciation of the Trinity, the concept of hellfire or an afterlife etc.) The fact that they've interpreted prophecy wrong, and even the fact that the WT is held up as an idol has no bearing on the fact that JWs are God's people...
@FearNoWeapon777 ...Although there is definitely a demonic element of apostasy, especially concerning interpretation of prophecy etc (1914 doctrine), but if we want to serve God, that means allowing ourselves to be humble enough to accept this imperfect arrangement until Jehovah decides its time to step in and fix it, just as the Israelites were expected to follow the leaders appointed under the old covenant, corrupt as they were, until that covenant was repealed.
@FearNoWeapon777 ...and that doesn't mean there won't be people called upon to call out the WTBTS on it error...just like the prophets and watchmen of old, so it shall be in this modern era. For more info, check out Robert King's website and e-watchman(dot)com
...not to carry money ("a purse" n vs 4), food, etc. but to accept strangers' hospitality as wages for services rendered (curing the sick and spreading word about "the Kingdom of God" as in vs 9). You clearly have purposefully stated a portion of a verse out of context in order to support your own agenda.
Luke 10:5-7 "Whenever you enter into a house [implying that visits should be conducted at people's homes] [...] if a friend of peace is there, YOUR peace will rest upon him. But if there is not it will turn back to YOU. So stay in that house eating and drinking the things they provide. [...] Do not be transferring from house to house." Here Jesus tells his disciples...
While i'm at it,where & how do children fit in to JW's,Do these children have any rights to choose what they want to believe in? If the child is born into a JW family they obviously have very little choice at least 'till their older & choose not to be with the congregation,This part sucks,They are basically discommunicated with the family & are treated like an enemy because they decided to exercise their god given right of choice.No one can force or change another into any beliefs this is sin
this is the REAL ANSWER JW's would actually answer. apostates!!(people who could not incur the bible's standards)Jesus went house to house. Why dont you? We are so sure of our religion that we actuallly take the the time to go to people's homes (who hate us) and preach our message. Who else is so proud and sure of themselves ? NO ONE!! INCLUDING APOSTATES...
imaine a religion that does not use customs, traditions, racism, or anything else to stop them from learning the truth! thats JW's... LOVE
@bluegrassreb1 "who else is proud and sure of themselves?"... I'm sorry but isn't PRIDE a sin? Sucks doesn't it now knowing your organisation is committing the sin, PRIDE more than anybody else in the world, on a daily basis.
Also you label everyone an apostate that does not agree with you and your cults beliefs, an apostate is someone who has changed their views on a single doctrine. But you guys throw the word around so much it's gone out of fashion, and lost all meaning!
@bluegrassreb1 You forget God's most fundamental gift of all & that is choice & don't recall anywhere that choice is conditional or that you have to believe blindly to a book that was wriitten in 4AD by imperfect men or are you to tell us that these men were perfect on this occasion? You people just cannot handle a god that is so loving of his children & unconditional in whatever you choose.God does not punish as allowed you to choose the path,there is no right or wrong, he allows the experience
@bluegrassreb1 You are so sure of your religion that you knock on peoples door that hate you,Now thats ilogical & dumb & selfish,do you consider if people really care about what you believe in?I've seen many a time JW kids in their sunday best hiding from the rest of you morons simply because they were forced into door knocking & at least you don't make them do it alone.I have spoken to many of them who actually hate their parents for it. Sounds very dysfunctional to me forcing kids into the JW
@thepixieful Outside of religion is even better freedom, yes Imagine no religion, big freedom from man made limitations imposed on people who decide to believe in them, i say good on you now keep it to yourself, indulge in your limitations as this is your learning kerb just as is people who do not wish to worship any man made idols & are just as purely blessed as any other man as this is their freedom from limitations & the allowance of experience in whatever way as it was intended
@sq1827 Since the JW's don't like anwsering questions most of the time, i will anwser this for you in a spiritual sense, the holy spirit is the higher self in everyone, you could say this is where god exists & guides you,Once the ego is quiet & the mind at peace,this where the holy spirit is.This is where your truth is to every question we ask about god,universe,etc.After all the higher self is god awareness it's job is to guide you through life with ease if we only put trust in ourselves.
@MrWhatever1232 who said i was lost? what really makes you believe the distortions of the bible.Man has betrayed christ by killing him firstly then distorting his teachings in the bible where MAN & not God put conditions on People.Mans imperfectness wrote the bible & you feel sorry for me because i trust my god given soul, remember it is stated The kingdom of God is Within.period anything wriiten after that is mans distortion & has man's ego fooled the rable? Yes.
I have a simpler shortcut, not involving translations or indeed any paperwork.
Tell them they're morons, you think they're lunatics, if they believe in a man in the sky who tells them what to do they're as good as LSD users, and you vehemently disbelieve.
Should chalk you up as a "Do Not Revisit" entry quite quickly.
The mistake here is to even engage. They are nuts. As is anyone, might I add, who believes in christianity. Or islam. Or judaism. Or any religion.
@Heritagius Don't write them all off. Some have been born and raised in these cults, taught from birth how to not think critically. It was while I was preaching, a person challenged some of the claims in a intelligent, friendly manor, that fostered some serious doubts... that later eventually helped lead to my exiting. You'd might be surprised how many of these indoctrinated people carry many doubts around with them. Just a little education and tact can go a long way.
JW's are the only organisation preaching good news to people at the lower end of the scale of emotional awareness, i would agree with that, however they fail dismally to lift or shift their own members to a higher level of self awareness through their teachings, otherwise they'd lose members as they would awaken & realise how limited they were to be in such a group, On the other hand exmembers whom have became more aware realised this & left to enjoy freedom that was self imposed through JW's.
@sluggfish freedom of...living life anyway u want? The Bible is what is u want to make fun go ahead, but immediately stop claming Christianity if u do.people today are selfish little beings who only join religions that let them be selfish. JW's arent that religion. we have to live up to Christ's standards and most folks today would rather call us names than actually live up to the standards outlined by the,dare i say it BIBLE!
NO comment by u will be read but realize our love for others we have
@bluegrassreb1 Questions to you as i am not making fun of your bible as it is already overly distorted, Is Man Perfect?, is God life ? is God all that is ? now i dare you to answer these questions as i would ask if you were at my door,
@bluegrassreb1 So before you call someone an apostate EVER AGAIN, make sure they were a witness beforehand, otherwise it makes you look ignorant and foolish, which is the downside to having so much pride.
Also Jesus never went house to house, he approached and spent time with those in need or wanted to listen, then people who witnessed said events would spread the word, and more would gather to witness it for themselves... YOU'RE LISTENING TO MORE OF WATCHTOWERS FALSE TEACHINGS!!!
“There is no truth except the truth that exists within you. Everything else is what someone is telling you.”
“You are afraid to die, and you’re afraid to live. What a way to exist.”
“Do what you do for the sheer joy of it,
"Do what you choose,not what someone else chooses for you.” “Move forward with no second-guessing, no guilt trips, no hesitation. Your purpose is to recreate yourself anew in each moment.”
It is obvious by now to most who have heard JW's,they are truly at the lower end of the awareness scale & you don't have to be a JW to be there, nor really do they need to be judged, they prefer like many others to choose not to reap the godly benefits of being consciously aware of their presence, This is due to their ego's looped in total disallusion of
thinking they need something other than to face their own consciousness where all god truths
This video is stupid. "Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations" , the keywords are GO THEREFORE, the jw will go to where ever you are, it doesn't matter if it is a house, gas station , or mall. The bible says to GO the the people and make disciples. So where ever you are they will go to you. Way to be close minded guy
@shhsfootballjock I find that hard to believe ,Please tell it like it is, Will they go to a brothel or a bar where drunkards are?, obviously, they go everywhere, do they preach in public toilets & in public places, like the football stadium amongst the crowds?, obviously will they preach in strip bars & casinos, obviously everywhere, will they suceed?,obviously shhsfootballjock has spoken we worship you just like christ,
@sluggfish ha your stupid dude" do they go to brothels and bars....public toilets and public places" gosh i swear you love going to extremes dont you??you think your getting you point accross to me?? do you live in a brothel??? do you spend your entire day on the toilet??? THEN WHY WOULD THEY GO TOO THOSE PLACES?? jeezz they go to your HOUSE cause thats where you live!
@shhsfootballjock after all you said they preach everywhere, you are as ambigious as your bible, So at least it's nice to know that a child of 6yrs old can leave the JWs even if their parents are brainwashed into the occult. So god is not life, i thought it took life to create life, I know it don't take life to create a JW afterall you guys are lifeless without the congregation . i only invite my friends to my door why do people with limitations need to knock on my door & you call me stupid.
@shhsfootballjock, I see the hypocrisy here, according to your faith i would be judged as an apsostate, which i dont give 2 shits,however you knowing this means that you are breaking rules of even comunicating with me.If only the congregation knew you were on youtube comunicating to moi an apostate you would be disfellowshipped without question it's almost as bad as masterbation, how could you? i hope you feel guilty as sin as you are a sinner to your own faith, you are nothing, not even a light
◦Rebellion against Jehovahs organization - w63 7/1
◦Promoting sects - it-2 886
Here the JWs an occult/sect/religion stating you are not allowed to promote a sect, well talk about hypocrisy now, You are a sect yourselves & you promote yourselves to people who will go blindly without asking questions, otherwise they are not accepted(lucky for them)However once you are a JW you are never really accepted or trusted.probatum
All religion is based on empty promises and false teachings...they all believe to be the right religion & many will die for that stupid deluded belief..if you were born in Egypt 3000 yrs ago you would be worshipping AMUN RA or ANUBIS..or if you were born in India you would most likely be worshipping some crazy elephant headed god!..just because you THINK your religion id the right one doesn't mean it is!..and PLEASE dont preach evidence to me for any god!..there is NONE!..only what man makes up!
@Ryosuke1208 thats getting rather old tired joke now and i doubt any of these bible bashing deluded goody two shoes will have heard of or play skyrim..
Gullible idiots join JW or any other stupid religeon, spoil their life here on earth waiting for a better afterlife. Friends, it doen´t get any better than this, we have paradise on earth when you look at natures beauty around you.You´ll all be suprised when you find out that this is it, no God, no afterlife just peaceful nirvana.
The ego is the thought within the mind that separates.The ego says that what is true is not true,&what is not,is the truth.But the ego is not the truth.and so its words cannot be believed.You experience the ego as a stream of thoughts within the mind that seem to interpret, counsel,identify,judge & spring forth as ideas.In themselves these thoughts seem to be nothing to you,although you listen to them & act on all that they say.these thoughts rule your mind & your interpretation of the world.
Cont...because you believe what they say, yet thay are based on a foundation of separateness,which is not what is true & so what is true is not what they say.To listen to theses thoughts & believe them is ignorance,for you are listening to what is not true,but believing what you hear.Any action you take based on these thoughts is ignorant action,for it is action based on untruth in an unreal world.Ignorance is not guilt.it is a call for knowledge. continued.....
It is the holy spirit that leads you through corrected perception to the right knowledge that you seek.Right knowledge is true knowledge & true knowledge is truth. Do not worry about mistakes you have made, they are based on ignorance,which is illusion & affects only which is not reality.Be happy that you have been mistaken,Be joyous that there is another way to see.This is what it means to repent.To repent is to choose again.To repent is to turn from ignorance & turn to the voice of Knowledge
cont...This is a joyous decision,for this is the decision that changes all things.This decision that you have made is a decision to listen to another voice.It is a decision to let go of thoughts you have listened to until now & listen to another voice, the one that comes from God.The decision to break from egoic habits is a choice to see through new eyes that are based on foundation of truth.
God is life,and you live, so life must be in you, this means god is within you also.God is within you,The reason you want to reject this thought because you believe that god is good,but you are guilty,Therefore you believe that god cannot be in you & you are separate from god.If god is life which you may accept & you are separate from god then it must be you who separate from life, & that is death, that is why death seems to rule your world.This is because your guilt keeps you separate from god.
For right now,you do live, right now as you read this, you live, so right now you cannot be separate from god, right now god is in you & you in god.There is no separation, your oneness with god is complete & there is nothing that is hidden in accordance with your oneness.right now everything is perfect, because everything is god.You must release your guilt there is no reason to hide it for there is no judge to hide it from,God is life & he has given his gift to you & you are living it.
No crime has been committed because you live,It is the belief that you have committed a crime that must be healed, this belief is healed by bringing your guilt into the light & finding you are not judged,there is no guilt for God has wittnessed no crime.You believe it is your choice to follow God's will or your own & you feel guilty for this choice because you believe it is a sin to have made a will that is separate from God's
@sluggfish Very well put Slugfish, I like you know that God is all that is & all that is not,Man is born into superficial guilt for no reason other than just being born. The teachings of christ were distorted & truly anyone with reasonable intelligence putting the ego aside can see straight through the dogmatic ideas that have been exchanged & offered up as a truth.The Higher self which is the same as the holy spirit is the true voice of God as you say which is inherent in everyone, good stuff.
@sluggfish, I see you've been frustrated with JW'S, & as you have lowered yourself down the emotional scale of awareness as to put yourself in their shoes, As you may know we are not to judge but to become more of ourselves in order to serve God as we will only benefit after all Christ did say forgive them Father for they do not know what they do(luke23:34)Man is the master of limitation & JW'S are a part of that for their own reason, we can give them our love & teach them by our own example.
Its interesting that sluggish is using the bible to support his theory that God is everything. But seems to reject pretty much everything else in the bible. By the way, the bible does NOT say God is everything. just felt like pointing that out. Psalms 11:5 says: "Jehovah himself examines the righteous one as well as the wicked one, And anyone loving violence His soul certainly hates." So God's love is not "Unconditional". But the problem is you don't even believe the Bible.
@jamviator I & basically the majority of the world do not believe in ther bible,not to say that we don.t believe in god, the truth beknown is that the bible is not accurate & that has been proven by the fact of so many who debate it's accuracy, The bible is biggest selling fictional book in the world as is fairytale stories indeed, doesn't makeit true, There never has been proof,however i find that God is all that is & you enjoy separating the creator from it's own creations.Now who'splaying god
@jamviator truly who am i to judge you or anyone as i do understand you chose to live in a reality with a conditional god, one to be even afraid of if you don't tow the line, so be it that is your choice you soul needs to be disiplined,Many of us are over the superficial crap of the bible & are living life the to fullest with god's love & unconditional blessings.There are no conditions & we don't need to step on anyone,there is no heirarchial system as we are all one & it is good & healthy.
@jamvator You still didn't answer my original question .Those who do not choose to follow YOUR faith what happens to them according to YOUR bible, I expect your answer to be not of any condemnation in anyway or even judgemental if it is then i have proven my point as before,please prove me wrong,i await your answer
@sluggfish Based on your reasoning, whether you do good deeds or you go around raping and murdering children doesn't matter to God. There are no conditions for gaining his love and favor. Its "unconditional". U asked wat would happen if you don't choose my faith. That is entirely Jehovah's decision. But doesn't he have the right to determine how he should be worshipped? [continue]...
@sluggfish Speaking to a samaritan woman Jesus said: "we worship what we know, you worship what you do not know because salvation originates with the Jews". That was simply a fact whether she liked it or not. It was neccessary for her to identify the group that Jehovah was using at that time. Zechariah 8:23 says: people from all nations will take hold of the skirt of a man who is a jew and will say: "we will go with you people, for we have heard that God is with you people."
@jamviator This scientific evidence you speak of isn't obviously overwhelming as to prove bible's accuracy as it would be an open & shut case.however i have heard that there will be an archaeological find in the foot of the sphinx which will rewrite the bible & put an end to it's divisions, the material will be undeniably emphatic & because of this the integrity of the material in question will be validated all over the world, I await this, however not holding my breath.
You JW's are living a lie, you are totally gutless when it comes to answering questions, you fucking hide when the questions ring home & makes you think about your own doubt in your warped beliefs that have no substance & you people have proved it to all of us many times.You cannot handle a reality of god being loving & unconditional,No that sounds to good to be true,you have to live by the bible & compartmentalise yourselves & live with a god that doesn't trust it's own creations, what the fuck
@sluggfish there is a reason that the bible outlines doctrinal points and specific ways that God should and should not be worshipped. The reason is: that kind of stuff matters. Romans 10:2 shows that persons can have geunuine zeal for God and still lose out because their worship is not according to accurate knowledge. Now whether i'm right or wrong the point is, I believe from my study of the bible that i am right. so i preach not because i'm wicked but because i'm concerned about others.
@sluggfish Dude,get over yourself,I answered your question. You like calling a spade a spade,well it's my turn. Your'e hypocritical,have double standards,all you have to base your beliefs on are personal "feelings". If that works for you,fantastic. Your'e a self appointed spiritual cop,judge and guru. No,I didn't acknowledge "God is all that is",I said I hadn't read that scripture,I don't know it or if it's even there. And take off the Freud hat, your phsyc analysis is way off. Try reading
@Copsweet Well it's about time you let it out didn't it feel good to get it off your chest,
i also have a lot to learn about tolerance especialy when it comes to people who choose to limit their own self worth through limiting beliefs, this is your choice to live by a conditional god your soul must be yearning for this.So you do not believe god is all that is, well please tell me where then all creation comes from, I KNOW that god resides in all of it's creations how else does god Know all
@sluggfish Not that good,been around long enough and been through enough to not get worked up over a conversation on youtube. Limit self worth? Nope,feel pretty good most of the time,have ups n downs like anyone. We don't have much foundation for discussion here bud,through extensive study of a lotta different stuff I am now a Witness,I believe the Bible is the inspired word of God,in that book God tells us how&why we're here,what the future is,and what he expects of us. He is a personal being
@Copsweet With a name,a personality,likes and dislikes. He created us and this planet to live on,he's not happy how as a whole man has rejected him,hurt his planet and each other. His plan is to restore things to what he intended,which is what Adam&Eve had at the start,and lost. That plan is God's Kingdom,which is the primary theme of the bible. You apparently don't accept the bible,which leaves it up to yourself to decide how you worship/honour God. I can't argue with that,I respect your choice
@Copsweet Are you still here chatting away on apostate sites? You love to talk about what these men Brooklyn New York interpreted for you don't you?
90% of the WatchTower apologist I meet here are either inactive or disfellowshipped. They are guilt ridden and are trying to makeup for their fear of their doubts, that make them feel so un-confident and insecure... thus unhappy.
You just going to keep parroting the WatchTower till you feel good? Cause you'll be here an awful long time ;)
@Copsweet Why so bitter Copsweet? What made you so angry you tell the WatchTower to F' off, but defend these men in Brooklyn anyway? Kinda like battered wife syndrome.
@SpecialPioneerSmerf Angry? Yeah,that's me,grrrrr. Your insight is uncanny. At least Dr Phil side kick material. But hey,anyone who believes bacterial and adaptive trait variations equals Pakicetus aquired enough mutations to become a whale has issues looking at evidence objectively. What I'm trying to say is,your opinion means nothing to me,your'e wasting your time.
@Copsweet Oh I know your done with evidence, not only do not care but you willingly lie to keep your fantasy and delusions of Panda Bear Land, Unicorns and Rainbows, forever and ever. That claim that your WatchTower leaders were chosen by Jesus in 1919... (claimed by the men in power conveniently) with no proof no evidence. That's the kind of world you exist in, right where your controllers like you, little birdy in your little cage.
@SpecialPioneerSmerf So why bother me? I'm beyond help,toddle on. Go spread your little seeds of bitterness and resentment elsewhere. Or,man up,accept the choice you've made,stop defining yourself on what you gave up,and go live a happy little life. And when the worlds governments turn against religion,don't give it a second thought.
I notice you say that whenever I bring up a cold hard fact like 1919. I really burns you up when you see your "TRUTH" crumble before your eye's. I feel for you, cause I would have done the same.
Contrary to what you've been programmed to believe, and opposite of what you do, I actually embrace the choice I made, and thank the Universe for it.
Governments always turned on some religions, they come back tho, they are so useful in controlling you.
@SpecialPioneerSmerf No,what burns me is your inane relentless barrage of goop. You know,when anyone says to me,no thanks,not interested,I listen,every time. That goes for this forum too. See previous comment.
@Copsweet OH you mean when you come to this forum to preach and then someone takes you to task for this little thing you call... truth?
I see, it burns you up when the tables are flipped doesn't it. It would when I was a JW, cause we had all the answers and to TEACH people and I would run just like you when taken to task.
I don't have a problem talking about truth now, why do you seem to be the only one that has that problem?
@Copsweet Good on you,I've been around too half a century & i;ve seen man join religions & leave them as our conscious minds become more aware of ourselves &
we realise that certain framework of beliefs no longer serve it's purpose only to realise one cannot fool themselves as the innerself is always looking for expression as it was meant to be, the only thing that gets in the way is mans ego identifying with the persona & social statis which in a way holds back the truth of the self.
@Copsweet God cannot be a personal being otherwise she would be physical,& as we all know god in your bibles term is not physical but spiritual which leaves her without a physical body & when you are spiritual being you are neither he nor she you just are, you have to agree that christ was perfect & man imperfect, imperfect enough to right the bible & distort it even unintentionally because man is not perfect,God didn't have much of a say as it was left in the hands of the imperfectionists 400AD
@Copsweet you say you have ups & downs like anyone else, i assume anyone else could be non religious? I am not religious person, however i do express myself in a far more exciting way than any religious person that i have spoken too, & i don't mean by swearing, I very rarely have downs only because i am always conscious of my thoughts, i choose how i want to feel & 99% im happy or content, because god gave us this choice to be consciously aware in every moment to the next where you are present
@sluggfish There is evidence to support the claim that the bible is inspired. fulfilled prophecies and scientific knowledge well beyond the time that the bible was written etc. is evidence worth considering. so consider it. u won't understand til u do some research urself. "The Bible, God's Word or Mans'? that's a good book to read. (and read it slowly).
It's not about works it's all about the Blood Of Christ. These poor lost people I feel sorry for them all. By the way they also have a spirit that follows them so be careful. You better be strong in The Lord when dealing with these people and The Word because they are deceivers.
JW's teachings are based on fear of God,God did not create man in his own image it is man who created God in mans image.If you didn't fear the god the bible writers created,why waist your time with it,You can live a better life without it, as you discover how you create your reality through beliefs of selfworth reflected into the reality that you know,You are therefore god itself experiencing through you,as you are the truth, the truth is you. God is all that is period You exist & will always
ok, so a witness has to preach for about 120 years to convert 1 person and therefore the preaching work is "a laughing matter"? well Noah preached for about 120 years and converted NO-ONE. If you believe the Bible you will no doubt agree that noah's preaching work had God's support, yet not even one person listened, NOT ONE! They viewed his preaching work as "a laughing matter". The bible prophesied that you would do exactly what the people in Noah's day did. Congratulations!
If By "Preaching the good news" you mean preaching their very own interpretation of the bible... then YES they do! But other than their own propaganda they don't preach much.
@JoelB3783 No,not our own interpretation,we preach the "Good news of Gods Kingdom",as modelled in the Lords prayer,as directed and exampled by Jesus and his apostles and disciples.
The JW's are a business intended to brainwash dumb fucks into submission of false beliefs, & to be honest they deserve to be enticed,"there is a sucker born every minute" & the JW's capitolise on that, believe me, if your stupid enough to hand your life over to these criminals who take your money because you can't think for yourself or are in the fear of god, Sucker is what you are, Don't believe me just look at the elders in the congregation rolling in your money, I wish i was one of them.
@sluggfish Your'e so off the mark with that one It looks like your trolling. You've just amply demonstrated your own gullibility by blindly believing what someone's told you. Elders rolling in our money???? Too funny,most of em aren't even rolling in their own. Believe what you want,but you really should do some groundwork before mindlessly spouting what someone told you. Voluntary,anonymous donations,understand that?
@Copsweet you are one dumb fool, like i said before "there's a sucker born every minute " & your one of them. this a mindless organisation so fucking righteous,so fucking up themselves as really to believe that your god is the only way & everyone else is condemned, who & what said there had to be anyway dummy?. Give'em your money so you can live on earth forever you clown.You are a sucker & you know it.you post here to justify your JW"s, You guys are a laughing stock & fucking blind to reality.
@Copsweet Know one told me anything i can see for myself when the fuckers come knocking on my door talking about the fear of god, in other word "now that we told you you have to be one of us or end up dying" Now i ask you. who asked these fucks to come at my door expressing their fear, not me" when the student is ready the teacher will appear" I'm ready but not for mindless garbage that comes from mans attempt to scare people into loving god or die, FUCK OFF
@Copsweet & one last thing Your religion is based on FEAR you cannot deny that as the bottom line is the reason why your a JW"S apart from being dumb is your fear of death that is the bottom line, & this religion offer you life after, your a fucking fool if you believe that, Who said you die anyway, Let me guess The JW's You are forever conscious period, just as the creator is, what part of all that is don't you people understand,Once you realise this you a free from all dogmas
@sluggfish Def wasn't fear,I was an atheist and believed in evolution, I spent years studying science,religion and culture before I made an informed choice to become one of Jehovahs Witnesses. Here's a challenge for you,try looking up something positive about us,for eg how we act in times of war,particularly Rawanda,Bosnia,Serbia or any other. Are you able to be fair and balanced? Do you really think it's about money when we come to your door? If it was about that we'd make it more appealing.
@Copsweet Taking a stand, involves action of some sort. Instead all the organisation does is bad-mouth it and say it is wrong to be involved. Though I see nothing wrong with defending the people you love (which is the reason many go to war for), and prevent control from others, I'm sure you'd have a different response to war if say Hitler had succeeded in his quest and won the war.
@Copsweet What a fucking joke,What business is it of the JW's to tell these people of those countries because of their bleeding wounds not to have a blood transfusion if you die then it's god's will.If you said that to my wounded father or brother i'd put a bullet to your head.So it's obvious you guys weren't in the front line.The red cross have done more on a humanitarian level through all wars not just of recent times. Really it's hardly worth a mention.
@Copsweet You say it wasn't fear that you joinrd JW's. You guys are so full of shit & in denial,You are all fucking crawlers, According to your occult only 144K will make it & the rest will perish, Fuck your god he's a judgemental arsehole, crawl to me or die.LOL you are fooling yourself & deep down within you, YOU KNOW IT, You have doubt & Fear thats why your a fucking JW.You cannot fool me, You fool yourself totally of your own doing, You deny your own self worth over fucking crap like JW's.
@Copsweet I have known Ex JW's who have Left, & it was the best thing for them. I have seen families ruined by this occult, when one family member joins & if the rest don't follow them family breakup, I suppose you think thats a good thing. & when some leaves their an outcast, theres no love there.You fucking hypocrites.
Your image of watchtower is stereotyped.Where are the followers with tattoos & body piercing shown or even men with long hair like christ.Don't speak out,your not allowed.
@sluggfish Dude,you sound pretty angry,I get the feeling you'd be glad to put a bullet in many people's head. Again,you are making false statements about our beliefs. No,not only 144,000 will survive. Do some real research,it's really not that hard. We don't "tell" people what to do,we don't tell people it's Gods will if they die,or believe that. Stuff happens,that's it. And now you know what's in my head? You know what's "deep down within"? No doubts,no fear,that's why I'm a JW.
@Copsweet Your not giving me much to go on here if you wont tell me what "apostate" lies you were told? Were you hanging out with apostates? Or you looked up information on the internet?
Apostates are people, and people lie, JW's lie, and the Governing Body lie. Everyone lies at some point. Other times we think other people lie, when it is ignorance on our part.
The best we can do is test the claims (or ask for evidence) and see if it adds up, the facts speak for themselves.
We've had this conversation a year ago dude,not interested in doing it again. Not "angry"at apostates,but I will attempt to defend outright lies and misrepresentation. As I've said before,the "WT,Governing Body and our entire organisation are made up of imperfect,fleshly men and women,shock horror,they can and do make mistakes. So did King David,so did Judas,so did all but one man who ever lived,so what? Yes,I've tested ALL claims,I'm satisfied,have no doubts,your'e not,good for you,we're done.
@Copsweet NO the last time we talked I showed you from the bible how wrong you are about the Blood doctrine, which you ignore your own scripture dishonestly.
If anyone is acting like a liar it is you, when you can't even answer a simple strait up question.
Why the dishonesty Copsweet?
Why all the smoke and mirrors?
Why dodge any time I ask you about the WT claim of 1919? Or the reasons why you disobey the WT leaders and talk to apostates all the time?
@Copsweet And the fact that your being very vague, and angry at apostates tells me your story is a little missleading.
You keep coming back here for a reason and your not being truthful about it, JW's don't just disobey the WatchTower and hang around apostates for no reason.
So what were these lies? Who were these apostates your so angry at? Lets get specific here, your raising some serious charges and until you answer, your accusations are baseless.
@Copsweet on the contrary,I have no need to be angry,it may sound like i'm venting,however i am not & i call a spade a spade,Now apologise i was of the assumption that JW's do not agree with blood transfusions so if your family member were involved in an accident & blood transfusion were to be needed to keep them alive your occult would gladly allow it, must be some other dumbass religion then.Now do tell why in the fuck you need to be a JW & how their is no fear of god.DO you fear god??
@sluggfish No,your'e right,we're the one's that don't accept whole blood transfusions,the way you worded it sounded like you think we try and tell others not have blood,which we don't. That's an emotional issue,and I get why some view our stand on it harshly,but,we follow what the scriptures say,which is to abstain from blood. Now,medically,health departments&hospitals around the world are shifting away from blood,using bloodless surgery etc,because of better recovery,reactions etc.
@US army just went to a no-blood policy on the battlefield,with good reason,blood isn't the "life saver"we've been led to believe. Now,why am I a JW? As I said,I researched for yrs,I believe the evidence showing the bible as valid and inspired is solid,naturalistic explanations for our existence(Evolution)are flakey,not empirical,assumed,extrapolated so on. I'm didn't have a flash of light,or spiritual experience,I just studied man,came to logical conclusions. You don't agree,that's fine.
@Copsweet so given a situation where your family member was in need of a transfusion or death may occur, you would let them die over a fucking paragraph of writing written in the middleages by a clergyman, Now thats is fucking dangerous & dumb & what makes it worse if it were a child & that you forced your belief on them, thats criminal, Your occult is fucking crazy dumb & stupid,God gives us choice, unconditionally, do you really understand choice or is it's taken away once your with JW's
@Copsweet with all due respect your religion/occult has nothing good to offer no one, Really you guys don't have to believe in satan what for? because your god has taken his place, Your god is fucking evil, just like the heirarchy in your system, wankers the lot of them, You teach FEAR of GOD, thats what it's based on, You people are the most shallow minded conceptional intelligence with the greatest lack of any spiritual intelligence yet to be seen, no wonder people mock you guys.wake up
@sluggfish- Do you feel the same way about abortion,or is it choice? Or sending teenagers to Iraq,Afghanistan,Somalia or somewhere to fight and die for what is often a lie? If it's for ideals that you think are valid that makes it ok? Does spiritual intelligence involve abusing&swearing at those that think differently to you? This world is done,God isn't going to let us keep destroying his Earth or each other indefinitely,he has a plan,and neither you or I can change that plan.
@Copsweet The only reason i swear at JW's is because they are totally arrogant toward non believers of your faith you judge us & condemn us because we are not part of your so called righteous occult, No other occult/religion has had the audacity to knock unwelcomed on peoples doors preaching your beliefs & if we disaprove we are then condemned.Now what in the fuck are you talking about? I come to your door telling you how you should live, fuck off again, I'm not guilty nor do i fear god or deat
@Copsweet I may not agree with war & I choose not to live in them backward arse countries where it happens,Whilst i empathise with them,however it is not my job to judge whether the war in their country is right or wrong, but on an individual level these people need to make conscious descisions about their own lives & what they are attracting to them, period. Go on stick your beak in their amongst their shit & you'll get your head blown off. These people need to unite on a conscious level.
@Copsweet Abortion, You know fuck all about abortion, who are you to judge on someone else's choice, Hey? who said it was right or wrong, it just fucking is, just like JW's, it just is. It is god's unwanted child that makes the experience valid for those who are invovled, period, They will draw whatever from that experience to enlighten them , that is if they are aware of the descisions that was made, they will not be punished, as god's universe is ever abundant in every way, open your eyes.
@sluggfish Mate,you keep making false statements.We absolutely don't judge others,not our place.We absolutely don't go round telling people how to live either,we'd get shot 3times a week.We're taught to be respectful,kind,loving,caring all that stuff the Bible talks about being.I totally respect your right to disagree,cool. But when you keep making false statements,I'll keep defending. You know much less about us than you think you do.
@Copsweet Mate what i have seen in my time with JW's it has not been a pleasant experience, maybe in your neck of the woods it maybe well be glorious, but it does not excuse the shallow mindedness that it's made up of, My statements are false, you are saying my experience with jw's didn;t happen, Fuck off again,sure they happened it left an imprint in my mind of how you operate.Of all western religion the JW's is the dumbest of the lot, There is a sucker born every minute, & the JW's want you
@sluggfish So,basically you're saying everyone in the world can do whatever the hell they want and not be judged,the universe says that's cool. But not us. You can make false statements,swear,abuse,ridicule etc,but we're arrogant and small minded. I finally get it,took me way too long. Cya boss
@Copsweet You well know you have choice to do as you please & obviously within the laws by man, God has no laws,nor judgement,do you judge your own creations & put conditions on them? I call a spade a spade,& all religions based on the distorted bible,their is no proof,not that it really matters because you fools accepting of it without any question that is why i believe in myself being god as we all are.It so pointless to ask you people anything because you avoid the answers.
@sluggfish So obviously you have proof that you/we are god? Great that you call a spade a spade,normally I'd respect that,but you lose impact when you taint it with double standards. You say there's NOTHING good about us,you don't like war,there are 7million of us world wide that will die rather than kill our fellow man,but you refuse to recognise any good in that. Wrong again,we love answering questions,that's why we do what we do. You'll probably get more answers if you ask without abuse.
@Copsweet Now this is where your arrogance comes in & my swearing follows,Now you decided to join Jw's & you believe blindly to their teachings without any shred of evidence, yet you need poof of evidence when it comes to any other fucking alternative,my aren't you deep seated in your comefort zone,7million of you would watch a member die of blood loss,Answer this God is all that is it has been stated in the bible, which part of that don't you understand?
@sluggfish If studying science,religion&culture for many years is blindly believing to you,not much else to say. I continue researching almost every day. How can you not see what your doing? You believe we are all gods, without proof and evidence,yet you scream at us as "blindly" believing in the bible as Gods inspired word. Take it easy man.
@Copsweet Be fair here Just answer the question you avoid The bible states God is all that is, Now which part of all that is don't you understand?????
@sluggfish Not avoiding it,I can't recall that verse,but it probably does state that somewhere. The bible was written over 1,600 odd years,has 66 books written by 40 different writers and is harmonious,accurate historically and prophetically. It says so much more about God than he is all that is. It describes his personality,name,purpose, our history,present and future. He is not going to sit indefinitely and watch us destroy his Earth and each other.
@Copsweet Thankyou, at least you aknowledge that god is all that is,that being said we need to define all that is,which is everything, would you not agree?which means god is in everything i.e. nature, animals,human,etc all that is is everything, do not attempt to separate god from it's own creations, which i believe to be sacreligious & a total disregard for god itself,.Man has separated god from all that is to satisfy his egoic intentions which is fear & power,
@Copsweet. You must be trying to work out by now how god can be all that is or even how god could possibly be part of all it's creations,It is exciting to KNOW that god is all that is & that god resides in everything, How else can god know everything as in how you feel & what you are thinking, God is Love unconditional, So in loving yourself & being grateful for yourself is being grateful to god, & in return god gives to you through your experience as god experiences through you & its creations
This is a hot topic this morning. I used to attend the Kingdom Hall. I was on the T.M.School and was deep in the study. I fell away and became heavy with sin. Sin is the point. Satan has Separated the Church of God Jehovah/YWEH/ALLAH. Cant you see it from your brother's perspective? We are one people under the Father God and We are Saved through His Son Jesus. As long as we believe these things that Jesus taught and keep to the commandments. We are Saved! First we repent of our sins of inequity
REV7verse9 2 days ago
when u dont twist the bible like a lawyer or politician finds loopholes then u would know wat luke 10:7 is talking about. why dont people read that one little chapter to find out wat its talking about. stop the gayness for apostates and or your cult members. JW's dont do bad. john 15:20 says to christians which means (footstep followers of christ) that they will be persecuted. JW's r being persecuted for trying be be like jesus and keeping a clean life and preaching.
dangerman808 2 days ago
@dangerman808 amen!
shhsfootballjock 1 day ago
I believe spending your time and energy trying to shoot down people that attempt to do positive things in our world just makes you a lesser person. JW's may be annoying, but they have contributed more to society than you guys ever will. Anyway, the Bible says love your enemy - your channel shows that you obviously don't follow the bible. Didn't Jesus say his true follower would be hated? Your channel has made me think - maybe they are doing something right?
MsTrevstar 2 days ago
@MsTrevstar - Does going around telling people that their religion is part of an evil system, and if they don't change that they'll be destroyed at bloody Armageddon sound like a "positive" thing or a condemnatory message?
Yes the Bible says love your enemy. Channels like this wouldn't need to exist if the Watchtower didn't preach so much animosity toward every other religion and institution and against former members. Why does the Watchtower exude such paranoia and animosity?
cooper79jeffr 1 day ago
its so sad how nobody reads the bible to loo for answers. that's why they preach to teach uneducated ones. their bible only puts god's name in it and doesnt say hell, but gehenna. so sad that ppl dont understand that the message wont be preached by nobody. so sad for butt hurt apostates hating cuz the got banned for turning gay or something detestable. they dont disfellowship people for no reason. why dont u look for why and stop being gay and or detestable. no religion proves JW's wrong u know
dangerman808 2 days ago
@dangerman808 - Thanks for demonizing everyone who is a "banned" member of your religion. That makes you sound like Scientology, which is a cult.
You think "no religion proves JW's wrong" but that's in your mind. In many other people's minds the Watchtower is equally wrong. But another trait of a cult is that they believe that only their leadership has God's truth, no matter how often they change their teachings. (The WT changes teachings more than any other religion known to humankind.)
cooper79jeffr 1 day ago
@cooper79jeffr prove it
dangerman808 1 day ago
YOU ARE AN APOSTATE, THE LOVER OF SATAN AND HIS DEMONS. THUMBS DOWN FOR YOU COWARD. ATLEAST YOU PLEASED SATAN
quietsparks1 3 days ago
@quietsparks1 - Your post in "ALL CAPS" illustrates why many people think JW's are a cult. They demonize any former associate who dares criticize the organization.
If you don't want the word "cult" to be associated with your organization, then JW's should stop acting in a cult-like manner by attacking former members.
cooper79jeffr 3 days ago
@cooper79jeffr Did you say my cult? I am studying and still catholic. CAPS means I want to make my point clear to everyone. So far, I have learnt that JWs never go to war and thats a Plus for them.
quietsparks1 3 days ago
@quietsparks1: I agree that JW's stance on warfare is a plus for them. That's one point on which I agree with them.
I didn't say "your cult". I just pointed out that your comment sounded like it came from someone who's in one. Scientologists are a prominent cult that tries its best to demonize and generally make life miserable for its ex-members. Be careful that JW's don't fool you into doing the same cultlike thing. I am not under Satan's control just because I think differently than the WT.
cooper79jeffr 2 days ago
@cooper79jeffr Good, we now agree that they have a plus on warfare. Do you think they also have a plus for SAYING NO TO FORNICATION. If you refuse to stop fornication, they remove you from their congregation. Do you think this another plus?
quietsparks1 2 days ago
@quietsparks1 - I'd say that although they agree with the Bible on the basic tenet, that they aren't the only ones who preach that - and even the Mormons include that course of action among their reasons for excommunication.
I'd also add that a top-down command to shun someone, the way the Watchtower does it (along with secret committee meetings) is not entirely Biblical. However that's another discussion for another day. Religions certainly have the right to enforce rules of conduct.
cooper79jeffr 1 day ago
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@cooper79jeffr ONE YOUTUBER YESTERDAY TOLD ME THAT THE GOVERNING BODY OF JWS SAYS JWS SHOULDN’T WATCH OR LISTEN TO APOSTATE. SINCE I AM STUDYING, I ASKED ONE OF JWS IF THIS IS TRUE. HE SAID YES AND GAVE ME A BIBLE AID BOOK THAT LOOKS AT APOSTATE. THE AID WAS VERY GOOD AND IT POINTED OUT THE SCRIPTURES ON APOSTATE. IT ALSO SHOWS AREAS IN WHICH APOSTATE CAN BE FOUND AND YOUTUBE IS ONE OF THEM. I LOVE GOD AND THE BIBLE, SO I WILL NOT DISCUSS ANYMORE. DONT REPLY, I WILL NOT READ.
quietsparks1 1 day ago
@quietsparks1
I commend you in your further study of the Bible. Did you know that attacking the Catholic church is the bread and butter of the Watchtower? They've made a good living bringing up the many blunders of the Roman Catholic Church yet ignore their NUMEROUS False prophecies! Didn't Christ say, "beware of False Prophets?
" Correct, JW's don't go to war but when CT Russell was beginning his cult in the late 18 and early 1900's, This Freemason was totally in support of it!
1Thes5:21
THEBEREANZ 20 hours ago
Finally i got a response from another youtube clip about JW's & family members leaving the congregation Here is a quote from JW's Awake Magazine from july 2009,pge29 article Is it wrong to change your religion. No one should be forced to worship in a way that he finds unacceptable or be made to choose between his beliefs and his family. So finally the JW's are not tied down to their religion & so the congregation should not hold anymosity toward a members upon choosing to accept another faith
sluggfish 4 days ago
@sluggfish - Yes the Awake said no one should be made to choose between beliefs and family. But they still enforce their rule against family members whose beliefs no longer match theirs and openly choose not to be a JW any more. Some would say this is ironic, others hypocritical. JW's would say that the article was talking only about people coming into their organization, not people who are leaving or have already left.
cooper79jeffr 3 days ago
@cooper79jeffr according to the awake the quote is from your own & not another & why if not your own would they even give it a mention like you say Hypocritical which leaves me to think it's ambigous from your side then." no one should be forced to worship in a way he finds unacceptable" This is from your own religion! your own magazine it's honourable & should be applied to all religions, What is wrong with that, I'm no JW & agree with it's common sense don't you think it's inline with choice?
sluggfish 3 days ago
You did a pretty lame job of using the bible. You also misused the verse in Luke and misapplied the meaning of it altogether. You're going to have to do better than this. I don't participate in any religion any more but I have to say maybe if more of you actually did something to spread the message instead of just criticizing the JWs you might convince me of your intentions. Seems like all you're interested in is badmouthing them which isn't hard to do.
minermike61 4 days ago
@minermike61 - There is no "the message". Everyone has their own spin on what the Bible's message supposedly is. Are you seriously expecting everyone from every religion to go out door-to-door on Saturday mornings?
Like you I don't participate in any religion any more. However I don't doubt the intentions of the video-maker. It is to show that there are other ways to publicize a message other than going to people's doors dressed as a salesperson.
cooper79jeffr 4 days ago
...the fact is they would never be at that person's door who is offering hospitality had they not been going from door to door in the first place. And notice it says to stay in the house and accept what the homeowner PROVIDES, so the disciples would clearly move on from a house whose owner provided nothing.
technopagan724 5 days ago
@technopagan724 - Seems like everyone and anyone takes scripture and applies it to suit their notions. The Watchtower does this too. They use their interpretation of verses to convince their members that every believer must be a door-to-door preacher. But Ephesians 4:11 shows that evangelization is actually a special gift, exactly the same as being an apostle or prophet is. Surely JW's don't teach that all believers are prophets.
cooper79jeffr 4 days ago
@cooper79jeffr So if we look at that verse...everyone has an assignment, either prophet, evangelizer, shepherd apostle, or teacher. Since most of us are neither prophets, apostles, or shepherds, then we must be either evangelizers or teachers (that's assuming that a single person cant't take on multiple roles). So we are to evangelize or teach (which amounts to the same thing), whereas Matt. 24:19 clearly tells us to make disciple of people of all the nations...
technopagan724 4 days ago
@cooper79jeffr ...you're right that many people do take verses out of context, but if you are doing it while at the same time criticizing others for doing it, then you're no better than the hypocritical pharisees. That was (part of) my original point
technopagan724 4 days ago
@technopagan724 ..as for your assertion that JWs take scriptures out of context, would like to see exactly what scriptures you had in mind when you said that and how JWs take them out of context.
technopagan724 4 days ago
@technopagan724 - If you're looking for an example that JW's take scriptures out of context, I'll point you to your own explanation of Ephesians 4:11. You claimed that the verse means "everyone has an assignment". However the verse doesn't say that. It was talking about those with special gifts given by Christ.
Also you said Matthew 24:19 "tells us" to make disciples. I think you meant 28:19. Anyhow he didn't say HOW it would be done -- and no Bible verse says each Christian must evangelize.
cooper79jeffr 3 days ago
@cooper79jeffr drop down to verse 16 where it talks about the functioning of "each respective member" of the body. The illustration of the body was not chosen at random. There is not a member of our bodies that does not play a role in the functioning of the whole body (except possibly the tonsils and the tail bone). And you may be right that it the Bible does not demand that our ministry be done in this way or that...but one way or another it must be done.
technopagan724 3 days ago
@technopagan724 I am currently studying w/ the witnesses but not baptized, my own personal ministry (at this point) consists of a blog...you can certainly use whatever resources are at your disposal and whatever means you can to spread the word, but you cannot (truthfully) deny that Jesus wanted his followers to spread the word.
technopagan724 3 days ago
@technopagan724 - Verse 15 of Ephesians 4 starts with the word "but" which separates verses 15 and 16 from what came before. The "whole body" is supposed to be filled with truth and love - that's what verse 16 is talking about (in context).
Yes Jesus said his word would be spread. The Watchtower insists that every member be some sort of saleperson / publisher to spread ITS message - basically that everyone but them will be destroyed at Armageddon. Good news? Of the kingdom? Not necessarily.
cooper79jeffr 2 days ago
@technopagan724
"exactly what scriptures you had in mind when you said that and how JWs take them out of context."
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How about Matthew 24:45-47? Or the entire chapter of Daniel 4? The foundation of their entire system of governance is based on the MISapplication of these verses, trying to "prove" that they are speaking about the governing body and the "slave class".
That's just ONE example of misapplying scripture and taking them out of context.
FearNoWeapon777 1 day ago
@FearNoWeapon777 It is true that the so-called FDS interpretation is misleading. In fact, there is plenty of precedent for demonic influence to infiltrate God's organization. When Israel became apostate, did they stop being God's people? Not until Christ did away with the old covenant. Until that point, the Israelites were still expected to obey their leaders as representatives of God. Then God did away with the system according to his own time table...
technopagan724 13 hours ago
@FearNoWeapon777 ...The same is true today. JW's are God's people. That is evidenced by their restoration of correct doctrinal interpretation (denunciation of the Trinity, the concept of hellfire or an afterlife etc.) The fact that they've interpreted prophecy wrong, and even the fact that the WT is held up as an idol has no bearing on the fact that JWs are God's people...
technopagan724 13 hours ago
@FearNoWeapon777 ...Although there is definitely a demonic element of apostasy, especially concerning interpretation of prophecy etc (1914 doctrine), but if we want to serve God, that means allowing ourselves to be humble enough to accept this imperfect arrangement until Jehovah decides its time to step in and fix it, just as the Israelites were expected to follow the leaders appointed under the old covenant, corrupt as they were, until that covenant was repealed.
technopagan724 13 hours ago
@FearNoWeapon777 ...and that doesn't mean there won't be people called upon to call out the WTBTS on it error...just like the prophets and watchmen of old, so it shall be in this modern era. For more info, check out Robert King's website and e-watchman(dot)com
technopagan724 13 hours ago
@technopagan724 correction: AT e-watchman(dot)com
technopagan724 12 hours ago
...not to carry money ("a purse" n vs 4), food, etc. but to accept strangers' hospitality as wages for services rendered (curing the sick and spreading word about "the Kingdom of God" as in vs 9). You clearly have purposefully stated a portion of a verse out of context in order to support your own agenda.
technopagan724 5 days ago
Luke 10:5-7 "Whenever you enter into a house [implying that visits should be conducted at people's homes] [...] if a friend of peace is there, YOUR peace will rest upon him. But if there is not it will turn back to YOU. So stay in that house eating and drinking the things they provide. [...] Do not be transferring from house to house." Here Jesus tells his disciples...
technopagan724 5 days ago
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sluggfish 5 days ago
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sluggfish 5 days ago
While i'm at it,where & how do children fit in to JW's,Do these children have any rights to choose what they want to believe in? If the child is born into a JW family they obviously have very little choice at least 'till their older & choose not to be with the congregation,This part sucks,They are basically discommunicated with the family & are treated like an enemy because they decided to exercise their god given right of choice.No one can force or change another into any beliefs this is sin
sluggfish 6 days ago
@sluggfish you just answered your own question. if the child does not like the jw ways, then he may leave. thats everybodys free will.
shhsfootballjock 1 day ago
Jehovahs Witnesses: the only organization preaching the Masonic news!
Jimlead 6 days ago
this is the REAL ANSWER JW's would actually answer. apostates!!(people who could not incur the bible's standards)Jesus went house to house. Why dont you? We are so sure of our religion that we actuallly take the the time to go to people's homes (who hate us) and preach our message. Who else is so proud and sure of themselves ? NO ONE!! INCLUDING APOSTATES...
imaine a religion that does not use customs, traditions, racism, or anything else to stop them from learning the truth! thats JW's... LOVE
bluegrassreb1 6 days ago
@bluegrassreb1 "who else is proud and sure of themselves?"... I'm sorry but isn't PRIDE a sin? Sucks doesn't it now knowing your organisation is committing the sin, PRIDE more than anybody else in the world, on a daily basis.
Also you label everyone an apostate that does not agree with you and your cults beliefs, an apostate is someone who has changed their views on a single doctrine. But you guys throw the word around so much it's gone out of fashion, and lost all meaning!
SpeedCam1501 6 days ago
@bluegrassreb1 You forget God's most fundamental gift of all & that is choice & don't recall anywhere that choice is conditional or that you have to believe blindly to a book that was wriitten in 4AD by imperfect men or are you to tell us that these men were perfect on this occasion? You people just cannot handle a god that is so loving of his children & unconditional in whatever you choose.God does not punish as allowed you to choose the path,there is no right or wrong, he allows the experience
sluggfish 6 days ago
@bluegrassreb1 You are so sure of your religion that you knock on peoples door that hate you,Now thats ilogical & dumb & selfish,do you consider if people really care about what you believe in?I've seen many a time JW kids in their sunday best hiding from the rest of you morons simply because they were forced into door knocking & at least you don't make them do it alone.I have spoken to many of them who actually hate their parents for it. Sounds very dysfunctional to me forcing kids into the JW
sluggfish 6 days ago
I love freedom of religion. (or from it)...we are so free to have any notion.....it is wonderful.
thepixieful 1 week ago
@thepixieful Outside of religion is even better freedom, yes Imagine no religion, big freedom from man made limitations imposed on people who decide to believe in them, i say good on you now keep it to yourself, indulge in your limitations as this is your learning kerb just as is people who do not wish to worship any man made idols & are just as purely blessed as any other man as this is their freedom from limitations & the allowance of experience in whatever way as it was intended
sluggfish 4 days ago
How is the Holy Spirit a so called active force?
sq1827 1 week ago
@sq1827 Since the JW's don't like anwsering questions most of the time, i will anwser this for you in a spiritual sense, the holy spirit is the higher self in everyone, you could say this is where god exists & guides you,Once the ego is quiet & the mind at peace,this where the holy spirit is.This is where your truth is to every question we ask about god,universe,etc.After all the higher self is god awareness it's job is to guide you through life with ease if we only put trust in ourselves.
sluggfish 6 days ago
@sluggfish you poor poor lost soul... study a bible that is the NWT and you may learn the truth!
MrWhatever1232 6 days ago
@MrWhatever1232 i meant isnt the NWT lol
MrWhatever1232 6 days ago
@MrWhatever1232 who said i was lost? what really makes you believe the distortions of the bible.Man has betrayed christ by killing him firstly then distorting his teachings in the bible where MAN & not God put conditions on People.Mans imperfectness wrote the bible & you feel sorry for me because i trust my god given soul, remember it is stated The kingdom of God is Within.period anything wriiten after that is mans distortion & has man's ego fooled the rable? Yes.
sluggfish 5 days ago
I have a simpler shortcut, not involving translations or indeed any paperwork.
Tell them they're morons, you think they're lunatics, if they believe in a man in the sky who tells them what to do they're as good as LSD users, and you vehemently disbelieve.
Should chalk you up as a "Do Not Revisit" entry quite quickly.
The mistake here is to even engage. They are nuts. As is anyone, might I add, who believes in christianity. Or islam. Or judaism. Or any religion.
Ta.
Heritagius 1 week ago
@Heritagius Don't write them all off. Some have been born and raised in these cults, taught from birth how to not think critically. It was while I was preaching, a person challenged some of the claims in a intelligent, friendly manor, that fostered some serious doubts... that later eventually helped lead to my exiting. You'd might be surprised how many of these indoctrinated people carry many doubts around with them. Just a little education and tact can go a long way.
SpecialPioneerSmerf 1 week ago
JW's are the only organisation preaching good news to people at the lower end of the scale of emotional awareness, i would agree with that, however they fail dismally to lift or shift their own members to a higher level of self awareness through their teachings, otherwise they'd lose members as they would awaken & realise how limited they were to be in such a group, On the other hand exmembers whom have became more aware realised this & left to enjoy freedom that was self imposed through JW's.
sluggfish 1 week ago
@sluggfish freedom of...living life anyway u want? The Bible is what is u want to make fun go ahead, but immediately stop claming Christianity if u do.people today are selfish little beings who only join religions that let them be selfish. JW's arent that religion. we have to live up to Christ's standards and most folks today would rather call us names than actually live up to the standards outlined by the,dare i say it BIBLE!
NO comment by u will be read but realize our love for others we have
bluegrassreb1 6 days ago
@bluegrassreb1 Questions to you as i am not making fun of your bible as it is already overly distorted, Is Man Perfect?, is God life ? is God all that is ? now i dare you to answer these questions as i would ask if you were at my door,
sluggfish 6 days ago
@sluggfish is man perfect? no man is not perfect. take a look at our world in which we live in today.
is god life? no . god created life. he created all we know. science has come a long way and even then there is only so much it can explain.
is god all that is? no . god is what he is. he is Jehova. he protects those who follow him. there questions solved
shhsfootballjock 1 day ago
@bluegrassreb1 So before you call someone an apostate EVER AGAIN, make sure they were a witness beforehand, otherwise it makes you look ignorant and foolish, which is the downside to having so much pride.
Also Jesus never went house to house, he approached and spent time with those in need or wanted to listen, then people who witnessed said events would spread the word, and more would gather to witness it for themselves... YOU'RE LISTENING TO MORE OF WATCHTOWERS FALSE TEACHINGS!!!
SpeedCam1501 6 days ago
“There is no truth except the truth that exists within you. Everything else is what someone is telling you.”
“You are afraid to die, and you’re afraid to live. What a way to exist.”
“Do what you do for the sheer joy of it,
"Do what you choose,not what someone else chooses for you.” “Move forward with no second-guessing, no guilt trips, no hesitation. Your purpose is to recreate yourself anew in each moment.”
― Neale Donald Walsch
sluggfish 1 week ago
It is obvious by now to most who have heard JW's,they are truly at the lower end of the awareness scale & you don't have to be a JW to be there, nor really do they need to be judged, they prefer like many others to choose not to reap the godly benefits of being consciously aware of their presence, This is due to their ego's looped in total disallusion of
thinking they need something other than to face their own consciousness where all god truths
are answered,Man's ego serves no god nor himself
sluggfish 1 week ago
This video is stupid. "Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations" , the keywords are GO THEREFORE, the jw will go to where ever you are, it doesn't matter if it is a house, gas station , or mall. The bible says to GO the the people and make disciples. So where ever you are they will go to you. Way to be close minded guy
shhsfootballjock 1 week ago
@shhsfootballjock I find that hard to believe ,Please tell it like it is, Will they go to a brothel or a bar where drunkards are?, obviously, they go everywhere, do they preach in public toilets & in public places, like the football stadium amongst the crowds?, obviously will they preach in strip bars & casinos, obviously everywhere, will they suceed?,obviously shhsfootballjock has spoken we worship you just like christ,
sluggfish 1 week ago
@sluggfish ha your stupid dude" do they go to brothels and bars....public toilets and public places" gosh i swear you love going to extremes dont you??you think your getting you point accross to me?? do you live in a brothel??? do you spend your entire day on the toilet??? THEN WHY WOULD THEY GO TOO THOSE PLACES?? jeezz they go to your HOUSE cause thats where you live!
shhsfootballjock 1 day ago
@shhsfootballjock after all you said they preach everywhere, you are as ambigious as your bible, So at least it's nice to know that a child of 6yrs old can leave the JWs even if their parents are brainwashed into the occult. So god is not life, i thought it took life to create life, I know it don't take life to create a JW afterall you guys are lifeless without the congregation . i only invite my friends to my door why do people with limitations need to knock on my door & you call me stupid.
sluggfish 1 day ago
@shhsfootballjock, I see the hypocrisy here, according to your faith i would be judged as an apsostate, which i dont give 2 shits,however you knowing this means that you are breaking rules of even comunicating with me.If only the congregation knew you were on youtube comunicating to moi an apostate you would be disfellowshipped without question it's almost as bad as masterbation, how could you? i hope you feel guilty as sin as you are a sinner to your own faith, you are nothing, not even a light
sluggfish 1 day ago
.@shhsfootballjock Apostasy - w83 4/1 pp.22-4, km 8/80 pp.1, 4. includes;
◦Rebellion against Jehovahs organization - w63 7/1
◦Promoting sects - it-2 886
Here the JWs an occult/sect/religion stating you are not allowed to promote a sect, well talk about hypocrisy now, You are a sect yourselves & you promote yourselves to people who will go blindly without asking questions, otherwise they are not accepted(lucky for them)However once you are a JW you are never really accepted or trusted.probatum
sluggfish 1 day ago
Jehovahs Witnesses: the only organization preaching dummass to hell
carpfisherman25 1 week ago
religion poisons everything
zaxxxon 1 week ago
All religion is based on empty promises and false teachings...they all believe to be the right religion & many will die for that stupid deluded belief..if you were born in Egypt 3000 yrs ago you would be worshipping AMUN RA or ANUBIS..or if you were born in India you would most likely be worshipping some crazy elephant headed god!..just because you THINK your religion id the right one doesn't mean it is!..and PLEASE dont preach evidence to me for any god!..there is NONE!..only what man makes up!
MrCOLTSR2 1 week ago
I used to be a Jehovas Witness like you, but then i took an arrow in the knee.
Ryosuke1208 1 week ago
@Ryosuke1208 thats getting rather old tired joke now and i doubt any of these bible bashing deluded goody two shoes will have heard of or play skyrim..
MrCOLTSR2 1 week ago
@MrCOLTSR2 I haven't played skyrim as well (:
and skyrim just came out a few months ago.
Ryosuke1208 1 week ago
Gullible idiots join JW or any other stupid religeon, spoil their life here on earth waiting for a better afterlife. Friends, it doen´t get any better than this, we have paradise on earth when you look at natures beauty around you.You´ll all be suprised when you find out that this is it, no God, no afterlife just peaceful nirvana.
horstnele 1 week ago
The ego is the thought within the mind that separates.The ego says that what is true is not true,&what is not,is the truth.But the ego is not the truth.and so its words cannot be believed.You experience the ego as a stream of thoughts within the mind that seem to interpret, counsel,identify,judge & spring forth as ideas.In themselves these thoughts seem to be nothing to you,although you listen to them & act on all that they say.these thoughts rule your mind & your interpretation of the world.
sluggfish 1 week ago
Cont...because you believe what they say, yet thay are based on a foundation of separateness,which is not what is true & so what is true is not what they say.To listen to theses thoughts & believe them is ignorance,for you are listening to what is not true,but believing what you hear.Any action you take based on these thoughts is ignorant action,for it is action based on untruth in an unreal world.Ignorance is not guilt.it is a call for knowledge. continued.....
sluggfish 1 week ago
It is the holy spirit that leads you through corrected perception to the right knowledge that you seek.Right knowledge is true knowledge & true knowledge is truth. Do not worry about mistakes you have made, they are based on ignorance,which is illusion & affects only which is not reality.Be happy that you have been mistaken,Be joyous that there is another way to see.This is what it means to repent.To repent is to choose again.To repent is to turn from ignorance & turn to the voice of Knowledge
sluggfish 1 week ago
cont...This is a joyous decision,for this is the decision that changes all things.This decision that you have made is a decision to listen to another voice.It is a decision to let go of thoughts you have listened to until now & listen to another voice, the one that comes from God.The decision to break from egoic habits is a choice to see through new eyes that are based on foundation of truth.
sluggfish 1 week ago
God is life,and you live, so life must be in you, this means god is within you also.God is within you,The reason you want to reject this thought because you believe that god is good,but you are guilty,Therefore you believe that god cannot be in you & you are separate from god.If god is life which you may accept & you are separate from god then it must be you who separate from life, & that is death, that is why death seems to rule your world.This is because your guilt keeps you separate from god.
sluggfish 1 week ago
For right now,you do live, right now as you read this, you live, so right now you cannot be separate from god, right now god is in you & you in god.There is no separation, your oneness with god is complete & there is nothing that is hidden in accordance with your oneness.right now everything is perfect, because everything is god.You must release your guilt there is no reason to hide it for there is no judge to hide it from,God is life & he has given his gift to you & you are living it.
sluggfish 1 week ago
No crime has been committed because you live,It is the belief that you have committed a crime that must be healed, this belief is healed by bringing your guilt into the light & finding you are not judged,there is no guilt for God has wittnessed no crime.You believe it is your choice to follow God's will or your own & you feel guilty for this choice because you believe it is a sin to have made a will that is separate from God's
sluggfish 1 week ago
@sluggfish Very well put Slugfish, I like you know that God is all that is & all that is not,Man is born into superficial guilt for no reason other than just being born. The teachings of christ were distorted & truly anyone with reasonable intelligence putting the ego aside can see straight through the dogmatic ideas that have been exchanged & offered up as a truth.The Higher self which is the same as the holy spirit is the true voice of God as you say which is inherent in everyone, good stuff.
TheGodlist 1 week ago
@sluggfish, I see you've been frustrated with JW'S, & as you have lowered yourself down the emotional scale of awareness as to put yourself in their shoes, As you may know we are not to judge but to become more of ourselves in order to serve God as we will only benefit after all Christ did say forgive them Father for they do not know what they do(luke23:34)Man is the master of limitation & JW'S are a part of that for their own reason, we can give them our love & teach them by our own example.
TheGodlist 1 week ago
Man you speak slowwwww! can't you speed up?
amstellori 1 week ago
Its interesting that sluggish is using the bible to support his theory that God is everything. But seems to reject pretty much everything else in the bible. By the way, the bible does NOT say God is everything. just felt like pointing that out. Psalms 11:5 says: "Jehovah himself examines the righteous one as well as the wicked one, And anyone loving violence His soul certainly hates." So God's love is not "Unconditional". But the problem is you don't even believe the Bible.
jamviator 1 week ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@jamviator I & basically the majority of the world do not believe in ther bible,not to say that we don.t believe in god, the truth beknown is that the bible is not accurate & that has been proven by the fact of so many who debate it's accuracy, The bible is biggest selling fictional book in the world as is fairytale stories indeed, doesn't makeit true, There never has been proof,however i find that God is all that is & you enjoy separating the creator from it's own creations.Now who'splaying god
sluggfish 1 week ago
@jamviator truly who am i to judge you or anyone as i do understand you chose to live in a reality with a conditional god, one to be even afraid of if you don't tow the line, so be it that is your choice you soul needs to be disiplined,Many of us are over the superficial crap of the bible & are living life the to fullest with god's love & unconditional blessings.There are no conditions & we don't need to step on anyone,there is no heirarchial system as we are all one & it is good & healthy.
sluggfish 1 week ago
@jamvator You still didn't answer my original question .Those who do not choose to follow YOUR faith what happens to them according to YOUR bible, I expect your answer to be not of any condemnation in anyway or even judgemental if it is then i have proven my point as before,please prove me wrong,i await your answer
sluggfish 1 week ago
@sluggfish Based on your reasoning, whether you do good deeds or you go around raping and murdering children doesn't matter to God. There are no conditions for gaining his love and favor. Its "unconditional". U asked wat would happen if you don't choose my faith. That is entirely Jehovah's decision. But doesn't he have the right to determine how he should be worshipped? [continue]...
jamviator 1 week ago
@sluggfish Speaking to a samaritan woman Jesus said: "we worship what we know, you worship what you do not know because salvation originates with the Jews". That was simply a fact whether she liked it or not. It was neccessary for her to identify the group that Jehovah was using at that time. Zechariah 8:23 says: people from all nations will take hold of the skirt of a man who is a jew and will say: "we will go with you people, for we have heard that God is with you people."
jamviator 1 week ago
@jamviator This scientific evidence you speak of isn't obviously overwhelming as to prove bible's accuracy as it would be an open & shut case.however i have heard that there will be an archaeological find in the foot of the sphinx which will rewrite the bible & put an end to it's divisions, the material will be undeniably emphatic & because of this the integrity of the material in question will be validated all over the world, I await this, however not holding my breath.
sluggfish 1 week ago
You JW's are living a lie, you are totally gutless when it comes to answering questions, you fucking hide when the questions ring home & makes you think about your own doubt in your warped beliefs that have no substance & you people have proved it to all of us many times.You cannot handle a reality of god being loving & unconditional,No that sounds to good to be true,you have to live by the bible & compartmentalise yourselves & live with a god that doesn't trust it's own creations, what the fuck
sluggfish 1 week ago
@sluggfish there is a reason that the bible outlines doctrinal points and specific ways that God should and should not be worshipped. The reason is: that kind of stuff matters. Romans 10:2 shows that persons can have geunuine zeal for God and still lose out because their worship is not according to accurate knowledge. Now whether i'm right or wrong the point is, I believe from my study of the bible that i am right. so i preach not because i'm wicked but because i'm concerned about others.
jamviator 1 week ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@sluggfish Dude,get over yourself,I answered your question. You like calling a spade a spade,well it's my turn. Your'e hypocritical,have double standards,all you have to base your beliefs on are personal "feelings". If that works for you,fantastic. Your'e a self appointed spiritual cop,judge and guru. No,I didn't acknowledge "God is all that is",I said I hadn't read that scripture,I don't know it or if it's even there. And take off the Freud hat, your phsyc analysis is way off. Try reading
Copsweet 1 week ago
@Copsweet Well it's about time you let it out didn't it feel good to get it off your chest,
i also have a lot to learn about tolerance especialy when it comes to people who choose to limit their own self worth through limiting beliefs, this is your choice to live by a conditional god your soul must be yearning for this.So you do not believe god is all that is, well please tell me where then all creation comes from, I KNOW that god resides in all of it's creations how else does god Know all
sluggfish 1 week ago
@sluggfish Not that good,been around long enough and been through enough to not get worked up over a conversation on youtube. Limit self worth? Nope,feel pretty good most of the time,have ups n downs like anyone. We don't have much foundation for discussion here bud,through extensive study of a lotta different stuff I am now a Witness,I believe the Bible is the inspired word of God,in that book God tells us how&why we're here,what the future is,and what he expects of us. He is a personal being
Copsweet 1 week ago
@Copsweet With a name,a personality,likes and dislikes. He created us and this planet to live on,he's not happy how as a whole man has rejected him,hurt his planet and each other. His plan is to restore things to what he intended,which is what Adam&Eve had at the start,and lost. That plan is God's Kingdom,which is the primary theme of the bible. You apparently don't accept the bible,which leaves it up to yourself to decide how you worship/honour God. I can't argue with that,I respect your choice
Copsweet 1 week ago
@Copsweet Are you still here chatting away on apostate sites? You love to talk about what these men Brooklyn New York interpreted for you don't you?
90% of the WatchTower apologist I meet here are either inactive or disfellowshipped. They are guilt ridden and are trying to makeup for their fear of their doubts, that make them feel so un-confident and insecure... thus unhappy.
You just going to keep parroting the WatchTower till you feel good? Cause you'll be here an awful long time ;)
SpecialPioneerSmerf 1 week ago
@SpecialPioneerSmerf Maths was never my strong point but I guess that leaves about 10%.
Copsweet 1 week ago
@Copsweet Why so bitter Copsweet? What made you so angry you tell the WatchTower to F' off, but defend these men in Brooklyn anyway? Kinda like battered wife syndrome.
SpecialPioneerSmerf 1 week ago
@SpecialPioneerSmerf Angry? Yeah,that's me,grrrrr. Your insight is uncanny. At least Dr Phil side kick material. But hey,anyone who believes bacterial and adaptive trait variations equals Pakicetus aquired enough mutations to become a whale has issues looking at evidence objectively. What I'm trying to say is,your opinion means nothing to me,your'e wasting your time.
Copsweet 1 week ago
@Copsweet Oh I know your done with evidence, not only do not care but you willingly lie to keep your fantasy and delusions of Panda Bear Land, Unicorns and Rainbows, forever and ever. That claim that your WatchTower leaders were chosen by Jesus in 1919... (claimed by the men in power conveniently) with no proof no evidence. That's the kind of world you exist in, right where your controllers like you, little birdy in your little cage.
You gave up on evidence, and reality long ago.
SpecialPioneerSmerf 1 week ago
@SpecialPioneerSmerf So why bother me? I'm beyond help,toddle on. Go spread your little seeds of bitterness and resentment elsewhere. Or,man up,accept the choice you've made,stop defining yourself on what you gave up,and go live a happy little life. And when the worlds governments turn against religion,don't give it a second thought.
Copsweet 1 week ago
@Copsweet "bitterness and resentment"
I notice you say that whenever I bring up a cold hard fact like 1919. I really burns you up when you see your "TRUTH" crumble before your eye's. I feel for you, cause I would have done the same.
Contrary to what you've been programmed to believe, and opposite of what you do, I actually embrace the choice I made, and thank the Universe for it.
Governments always turned on some religions, they come back tho, they are so useful in controlling you.
SpecialPioneerSmerf 1 week ago
@SpecialPioneerSmerf No,what burns me is your inane relentless barrage of goop. You know,when anyone says to me,no thanks,not interested,I listen,every time. That goes for this forum too. See previous comment.
Copsweet 1 week ago
@Copsweet OH you mean when you come to this forum to preach and then someone takes you to task for this little thing you call... truth?
I see, it burns you up when the tables are flipped doesn't it. It would when I was a JW, cause we had all the answers and to TEACH people and I would run just like you when taken to task.
I don't have a problem talking about truth now, why do you seem to be the only one that has that problem?
SpecialPioneerSmerf 1 week ago
@SpecialPioneerSmerf Be happy,your side really looks like winning.
Copsweet 1 week ago
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@Copsweet I remember the days when a JW could win an argument.
SpecialPioneerSmerf 1 week ago
@Copsweet Good on you,I've been around too half a century & i;ve seen man join religions & leave them as our conscious minds become more aware of ourselves &
we realise that certain framework of beliefs no longer serve it's purpose only to realise one cannot fool themselves as the innerself is always looking for expression as it was meant to be, the only thing that gets in the way is mans ego identifying with the persona & social statis which in a way holds back the truth of the self.
sluggfish 1 week ago
@Copsweet God cannot be a personal being otherwise she would be physical,& as we all know god in your bibles term is not physical but spiritual which leaves her without a physical body & when you are spiritual being you are neither he nor she you just are, you have to agree that christ was perfect & man imperfect, imperfect enough to right the bible & distort it even unintentionally because man is not perfect,God didn't have much of a say as it was left in the hands of the imperfectionists 400AD
sluggfish 1 week ago
@Copsweet you say you have ups & downs like anyone else, i assume anyone else could be non religious? I am not religious person, however i do express myself in a far more exciting way than any religious person that i have spoken too, & i don't mean by swearing, I very rarely have downs only because i am always conscious of my thoughts, i choose how i want to feel & 99% im happy or content, because god gave us this choice to be consciously aware in every moment to the next where you are present
sluggfish 1 week ago
@sluggfish There is evidence to support the claim that the bible is inspired. fulfilled prophecies and scientific knowledge well beyond the time that the bible was written etc. is evidence worth considering. so consider it. u won't understand til u do some research urself. "The Bible, God's Word or Mans'? that's a good book to read. (and read it slowly).
jamviator 1 week ago
@Copsweet So what is it, are you disfellowshipped or just inactive?
SpecialPioneerSmerf 1 week ago
@SpecialPioneerSmerf Your'e psychic and a psychologist apparently,you'll figure it out. Maybe I evolved into something
Copsweet 1 week ago
@Copsweet You should rename yourself to "CopOut" or "Sweetlies" your choice, either or is much more fitting ;)
Love Agape Peace <3
SpecialPioneerSmerf 1 week ago
It's not about works it's all about the Blood Of Christ. These poor lost people I feel sorry for them all. By the way they also have a spirit that follows them so be careful. You better be strong in The Lord when dealing with these people and The Word because they are deceivers.
DRidgway1 1 week ago
@DRidgway1 James 2:17- "Faith without works is dead"
Copsweet 1 week ago
AND THERE YOUR SIGN DUMMY>>>>>acts 8:1
turnerjudy54 1 week ago
JW's teachings are based on fear of God,God did not create man in his own image it is man who created God in mans image.If you didn't fear the god the bible writers created,why waist your time with it,You can live a better life without it, as you discover how you create your reality through beliefs of selfworth reflected into the reality that you know,You are therefore god itself experiencing through you,as you are the truth, the truth is you. God is all that is period You exist & will always
sluggfish 2 weeks ago
ok, so a witness has to preach for about 120 years to convert 1 person and therefore the preaching work is "a laughing matter"? well Noah preached for about 120 years and converted NO-ONE. If you believe the Bible you will no doubt agree that noah's preaching work had God's support, yet not even one person listened, NOT ONE! They viewed his preaching work as "a laughing matter". The bible prophesied that you would do exactly what the people in Noah's day did. Congratulations!
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If By "Preaching the good news" you mean preaching their very own interpretation of the bible... then YES they do! But other than their own propaganda they don't preach much.
JoelB3783 2 weeks ago
@JoelB3783 No,not our own interpretation,we preach the "Good news of Gods Kingdom",as modelled in the Lords prayer,as directed and exampled by Jesus and his apostles and disciples.
Copsweet 2 weeks ago
The JW's are a business intended to brainwash dumb fucks into submission of false beliefs, & to be honest they deserve to be enticed,"there is a sucker born every minute" & the JW's capitolise on that, believe me, if your stupid enough to hand your life over to these criminals who take your money because you can't think for yourself or are in the fear of god, Sucker is what you are, Don't believe me just look at the elders in the congregation rolling in your money, I wish i was one of them.
sluggfish 2 weeks ago
@sluggfish Your'e so off the mark with that one It looks like your trolling. You've just amply demonstrated your own gullibility by blindly believing what someone's told you. Elders rolling in our money???? Too funny,most of em aren't even rolling in their own. Believe what you want,but you really should do some groundwork before mindlessly spouting what someone told you. Voluntary,anonymous donations,understand that?
Copsweet 2 weeks ago
@Copsweet you are one dumb fool, like i said before "there's a sucker born every minute " & your one of them. this a mindless organisation so fucking righteous,so fucking up themselves as really to believe that your god is the only way & everyone else is condemned, who & what said there had to be anyway dummy?. Give'em your money so you can live on earth forever you clown.You are a sucker & you know it.you post here to justify your JW"s, You guys are a laughing stock & fucking blind to reality.
sluggfish 2 weeks ago
@Copsweet Know one told me anything i can see for myself when the fuckers come knocking on my door talking about the fear of god, in other word "now that we told you you have to be one of us or end up dying" Now i ask you. who asked these fucks to come at my door expressing their fear, not me" when the student is ready the teacher will appear" I'm ready but not for mindless garbage that comes from mans attempt to scare people into loving god or die, FUCK OFF
sluggfish 2 weeks ago
@Copsweet & one last thing Your religion is based on FEAR you cannot deny that as the bottom line is the reason why your a JW"S apart from being dumb is your fear of death that is the bottom line, & this religion offer you life after, your a fucking fool if you believe that, Who said you die anyway, Let me guess The JW's You are forever conscious period, just as the creator is, what part of all that is don't you people understand,Once you realise this you a free from all dogmas
sluggfish 2 weeks ago
@sluggfish Def wasn't fear,I was an atheist and believed in evolution, I spent years studying science,religion and culture before I made an informed choice to become one of Jehovahs Witnesses. Here's a challenge for you,try looking up something positive about us,for eg how we act in times of war,particularly Rawanda,Bosnia,Serbia or any other. Are you able to be fair and balanced? Do you really think it's about money when we come to your door? If it was about that we'd make it more appealing.
Copsweet 2 weeks ago
@Copsweet You decide to shy away from any war, you don't do anything about it but ignore it.
SpeedCam1501 2 weeks ago
@SpeedCam1501 Taking a stand against something is not ignoring it,but you did answer my question.
Copsweet 2 weeks ago
@Copsweet Taking a stand, involves action of some sort. Instead all the organisation does is bad-mouth it and say it is wrong to be involved. Though I see nothing wrong with defending the people you love (which is the reason many go to war for), and prevent control from others, I'm sure you'd have a different response to war if say Hitler had succeeded in his quest and won the war.
SpeedCam1501 2 weeks ago
@Copsweet What a fucking joke,What business is it of the JW's to tell these people of those countries because of their bleeding wounds not to have a blood transfusion if you die then it's god's will.If you said that to my wounded father or brother i'd put a bullet to your head.So it's obvious you guys weren't in the front line.The red cross have done more on a humanitarian level through all wars not just of recent times. Really it's hardly worth a mention.
sluggfish 2 weeks ago
@Copsweet You say it wasn't fear that you joinrd JW's. You guys are so full of shit & in denial,You are all fucking crawlers, According to your occult only 144K will make it & the rest will perish, Fuck your god he's a judgemental arsehole, crawl to me or die.LOL you are fooling yourself & deep down within you, YOU KNOW IT, You have doubt & Fear thats why your a fucking JW.You cannot fool me, You fool yourself totally of your own doing, You deny your own self worth over fucking crap like JW's.
sluggfish 2 weeks ago
@Copsweet I have known Ex JW's who have Left, & it was the best thing for them. I have seen families ruined by this occult, when one family member joins & if the rest don't follow them family breakup, I suppose you think thats a good thing. & when some leaves their an outcast, theres no love there.You fucking hypocrites.
Your image of watchtower is stereotyped.Where are the followers with tattoos & body piercing shown or even men with long hair like christ.Don't speak out,your not allowed.
sluggfish 2 weeks ago
@sluggfish Dude,you sound pretty angry,I get the feeling you'd be glad to put a bullet in many people's head. Again,you are making false statements about our beliefs. No,not only 144,000 will survive. Do some real research,it's really not that hard. We don't "tell" people what to do,we don't tell people it's Gods will if they die,or believe that. Stuff happens,that's it. And now you know what's in my head? You know what's "deep down within"? No doubts,no fear,that's why I'm a JW.
Copsweet 2 weeks ago
@Copsweet Your not giving me much to go on here if you wont tell me what "apostate" lies you were told? Were you hanging out with apostates? Or you looked up information on the internet?
Apostates are people, and people lie, JW's lie, and the Governing Body lie. Everyone lies at some point. Other times we think other people lie, when it is ignorance on our part.
The best we can do is test the claims (or ask for evidence) and see if it adds up, the facts speak for themselves.
SpecialPioneerSmerf 2 weeks ago
We've had this conversation a year ago dude,not interested in doing it again. Not "angry"at apostates,but I will attempt to defend outright lies and misrepresentation. As I've said before,the "WT,Governing Body and our entire organisation are made up of imperfect,fleshly men and women,shock horror,they can and do make mistakes. So did King David,so did Judas,so did all but one man who ever lived,so what? Yes,I've tested ALL claims,I'm satisfied,have no doubts,your'e not,good for you,we're done.
Copsweet 2 weeks ago
@Copsweet NO the last time we talked I showed you from the bible how wrong you are about the Blood doctrine, which you ignore your own scripture dishonestly.
If anyone is acting like a liar it is you, when you can't even answer a simple strait up question.
Why the dishonesty Copsweet?
Why all the smoke and mirrors?
Why dodge any time I ask you about the WT claim of 1919? Or the reasons why you disobey the WT leaders and talk to apostates all the time?
Time to get honest with yourself.
SpecialPioneerSmerf 2 weeks ago
@SpecialPioneerSmerf Not my intention to talk to apostates,made that pretty clear. Ciao
Copsweet 2 weeks ago
@Copsweet Not your intention to come to apostate sites and comment on apostate video's ROFL You crack me up every time ;D
All the best friend.
Get back to me when your ready.
Peace Agape Love <3
SpecialPioneerSmerf 2 weeks ago
@Copsweet And the fact that your being very vague, and angry at apostates tells me your story is a little missleading.
You keep coming back here for a reason and your not being truthful about it, JW's don't just disobey the WatchTower and hang around apostates for no reason.
So what were these lies? Who were these apostates your so angry at? Lets get specific here, your raising some serious charges and until you answer, your accusations are baseless.
SpecialPioneerSmerf 2 weeks ago
@Copsweet on the contrary,I have no need to be angry,it may sound like i'm venting,however i am not & i call a spade a spade,Now apologise i was of the assumption that JW's do not agree with blood transfusions so if your family member were involved in an accident & blood transfusion were to be needed to keep them alive your occult would gladly allow it, must be some other dumbass religion then.Now do tell why in the fuck you need to be a JW & how their is no fear of god.DO you fear god??
sluggfish 2 weeks ago
@sluggfish No,your'e right,we're the one's that don't accept whole blood transfusions,the way you worded it sounded like you think we try and tell others not have blood,which we don't. That's an emotional issue,and I get why some view our stand on it harshly,but,we follow what the scriptures say,which is to abstain from blood. Now,medically,health departments&hospitals around the world are shifting away from blood,using bloodless surgery etc,because of better recovery,reactions etc.
Copsweet 2 weeks ago
@US army just went to a no-blood policy on the battlefield,with good reason,blood isn't the "life saver"we've been led to believe. Now,why am I a JW? As I said,I researched for yrs,I believe the evidence showing the bible as valid and inspired is solid,naturalistic explanations for our existence(Evolution)are flakey,not empirical,assumed,extrapolated so on. I'm didn't have a flash of light,or spiritual experience,I just studied man,came to logical conclusions. You don't agree,that's fine.
Copsweet 2 weeks ago
@Copsweet so given a situation where your family member was in need of a transfusion or death may occur, you would let them die over a fucking paragraph of writing written in the middleages by a clergyman, Now thats is fucking dangerous & dumb & what makes it worse if it were a child & that you forced your belief on them, thats criminal, Your occult is fucking crazy dumb & stupid,God gives us choice, unconditionally, do you really understand choice or is it's taken away once your with JW's
sluggfish 2 weeks ago
@Copsweet with all due respect your religion/occult has nothing good to offer no one, Really you guys don't have to believe in satan what for? because your god has taken his place, Your god is fucking evil, just like the heirarchy in your system, wankers the lot of them, You teach FEAR of GOD, thats what it's based on, You people are the most shallow minded conceptional intelligence with the greatest lack of any spiritual intelligence yet to be seen, no wonder people mock you guys.wake up
sluggfish 2 weeks ago
@sluggfish- Do you feel the same way about abortion,or is it choice? Or sending teenagers to Iraq,Afghanistan,Somalia or somewhere to fight and die for what is often a lie? If it's for ideals that you think are valid that makes it ok? Does spiritual intelligence involve abusing&swearing at those that think differently to you? This world is done,God isn't going to let us keep destroying his Earth or each other indefinitely,he has a plan,and neither you or I can change that plan.
Copsweet 2 weeks ago
@Copsweet The only reason i swear at JW's is because they are totally arrogant toward non believers of your faith you judge us & condemn us because we are not part of your so called righteous occult, No other occult/religion has had the audacity to knock unwelcomed on peoples doors preaching your beliefs & if we disaprove we are then condemned.Now what in the fuck are you talking about? I come to your door telling you how you should live, fuck off again, I'm not guilty nor do i fear god or deat
sluggfish 2 weeks ago
@Copsweet I may not agree with war & I choose not to live in them backward arse countries where it happens,Whilst i empathise with them,however it is not my job to judge whether the war in their country is right or wrong, but on an individual level these people need to make conscious descisions about their own lives & what they are attracting to them, period. Go on stick your beak in their amongst their shit & you'll get your head blown off. These people need to unite on a conscious level.
sluggfish 2 weeks ago
@Copsweet Abortion, You know fuck all about abortion, who are you to judge on someone else's choice, Hey? who said it was right or wrong, it just fucking is, just like JW's, it just is. It is god's unwanted child that makes the experience valid for those who are invovled, period, They will draw whatever from that experience to enlighten them , that is if they are aware of the descisions that was made, they will not be punished, as god's universe is ever abundant in every way, open your eyes.
sluggfish 2 weeks ago
@sluggfish Mate,you keep making false statements.We absolutely don't judge others,not our place.We absolutely don't go round telling people how to live either,we'd get shot 3times a week.We're taught to be respectful,kind,loving,caring all that stuff the Bible talks about being.I totally respect your right to disagree,cool. But when you keep making false statements,I'll keep defending. You know much less about us than you think you do.
Copsweet 2 weeks ago
@Copsweet Mate what i have seen in my time with JW's it has not been a pleasant experience, maybe in your neck of the woods it maybe well be glorious, but it does not excuse the shallow mindedness that it's made up of, My statements are false, you are saying my experience with jw's didn;t happen, Fuck off again,sure they happened it left an imprint in my mind of how you operate.Of all western religion the JW's is the dumbest of the lot, There is a sucker born every minute, & the JW's want you
sluggfish 2 weeks ago
@sluggfish So,basically you're saying everyone in the world can do whatever the hell they want and not be judged,the universe says that's cool. But not us. You can make false statements,swear,abuse,ridicule etc,but we're arrogant and small minded. I finally get it,took me way too long. Cya boss
Copsweet 2 weeks ago
@Copsweet You well know you have choice to do as you please & obviously within the laws by man, God has no laws,nor judgement,do you judge your own creations & put conditions on them? I call a spade a spade,& all religions based on the distorted bible,their is no proof,not that it really matters because you fools accepting of it without any question that is why i believe in myself being god as we all are.It so pointless to ask you people anything because you avoid the answers.
sluggfish 2 weeks ago
@sluggfish So obviously you have proof that you/we are god? Great that you call a spade a spade,normally I'd respect that,but you lose impact when you taint it with double standards. You say there's NOTHING good about us,you don't like war,there are 7million of us world wide that will die rather than kill our fellow man,but you refuse to recognise any good in that. Wrong again,we love answering questions,that's why we do what we do. You'll probably get more answers if you ask without abuse.
Copsweet 2 weeks ago
@Copsweet Now this is where your arrogance comes in & my swearing follows,Now you decided to join Jw's & you believe blindly to their teachings without any shred of evidence, yet you need poof of evidence when it comes to any other fucking alternative,my aren't you deep seated in your comefort zone,7million of you would watch a member die of blood loss,Answer this God is all that is it has been stated in the bible, which part of that don't you understand?
sluggfish 1 week ago
@sluggfish If studying science,religion&culture for many years is blindly believing to you,not much else to say. I continue researching almost every day. How can you not see what your doing? You believe we are all gods, without proof and evidence,yet you scream at us as "blindly" believing in the bible as Gods inspired word. Take it easy man.
Copsweet 1 week ago
@Copsweet Be fair here Just answer the question you avoid The bible states God is all that is, Now which part of all that is don't you understand?????
sluggfish 1 week ago
@sluggfish Not avoiding it,I can't recall that verse,but it probably does state that somewhere. The bible was written over 1,600 odd years,has 66 books written by 40 different writers and is harmonious,accurate historically and prophetically. It says so much more about God than he is all that is. It describes his personality,name,purpose, our history,present and future. He is not going to sit indefinitely and watch us destroy his Earth and each other.
Copsweet 1 week ago
@Copsweet Thankyou, at least you aknowledge that god is all that is,that being said we need to define all that is,which is everything, would you not agree?which means god is in everything i.e. nature, animals,human,etc all that is is everything, do not attempt to separate god from it's own creations, which i believe to be sacreligious & a total disregard for god itself,.Man has separated god from all that is to satisfy his egoic intentions which is fear & power,
sluggfish 1 week ago
@Copsweet. You must be trying to work out by now how god can be all that is or even how god could possibly be part of all it's creations,It is exciting to KNOW that god is all that is & that god resides in everything, How else can god know everything as in how you feel & what you are thinking, God is Love unconditional, So in loving yourself & being grateful for yourself is being grateful to god, & in return god gives to you through your experience as god experiences through you & its creations
sluggfish 1 week ago
@Copsweet You cannot deny all that is is God if you do than you de