@Yeoified thats wat i say i hear people at school think they know everything about guns becuase they have played Cod which pisses me off cuase i am a gun enthusiast and actually know alot about guns
The M1 Garand was an eight round rifle, which was semi-automatic and loaded with a stripper "en bloc" clip. The M14 was a twenty round rifle, and could be fully automatic and was loaded with a magazine. Big, big differences, my friend.
Should put it to 64 players, one life. Make it realistic. That would be one fucking awesome game mode. Where you actually have to communicate with your team and shit.
@Reiincarnation I would like it to be a little more realistic preferably because it would be more strategic. Commumicate with your team, not run out doing no scopes is all. Keep the old game modes, but why not just add another? Right?
@88pie88 SAME HERE!!! People do it all the time on there, and I hate it. By the way, they're NVA; not Viet Cong. There's a big difference between the two forces, my friend; even though they were allies.
@88pie88 Eh, sort of. The NVA sometimes wore straw hats as well. And all of the classes carry and wear too much military gear to be even close to Charilie. The VC often had one bandoleer or so.
@ghiliedup Cool. Same here. One thing I prefer to do is, if I play on Hastings as an American, I use the M14. The Americans you're playing as on Hastings are the Marines because they were the main US force that participated in the actual Operation Hastings. It was in 1966, and as usual, the Marines always got the most outdated weaponry and gear. The Marines didn't switch to the M16 until late December of '67. By the Tet Offensive of 1968, the M16 was the standard issue for the Marine Corps.
@Transformers2themax Exactly, the Marines loved the M14 and didn't want to give it up for the M16, one of the main reasons they switched was because when the South Vietnamese tried to use the M14, it was to big and heavy for their small body structure.
@ghiliedup I personally prefer the M16 because I'm a lightweight Native American, but there's no doubt that the M14's a good rifle. It just failed at it's original purpose. In this game, it works the best on Hastings and Cao Son Temple I've found. I really don't like the fact that they made it full-auto when, in reality, full-auto is completely useless on the M14. Have you ever tried making it semi-auto? Basically, just click the trigger really fast so it only fires one shot at a time. It works!
This only the second version of the full auto M14 that I have seen, such a shame that there aren't more full autos out there. For those who are wondering, Medal of Honor 2010's M14 EBR is select fire and is fully auto.
video games always fantasize the m16. the m14 was a 7.62 mm round wich will rip u to pieces if u got hit with it. the m16 on the other hand is ment for a more humane way for killing people by just injuring them. now if u ask me i think it is way less humane to send our boys to way with a damn toy gun. fuck the enemy bring back the 7.62 rounds. btw the m16 is a 5.56 mm wich the actual round is the same fucking size as a .22 cal rifle that u cant even hunt deer with.
@highlanddan I have heard people hunting medium game with .223, the reason it was introduced because it was lighter and presented a capability for a usable automatic weapon. It was also easier to handle. The 5.56 is not something you want to get hit with. You are comparing a rifle cartridge to a pistol cartridge. they are not the same. And the comment "for killing people by just injuring them" does not make any sense.
Everyone, the original m14 was select fire, in other words semi and full auto. It was designed to replace BOTH the BAR and m1 garand. Some were made solely semi auto, but those have traditionally been marksman variants. The fact that so many video games havent given the m14 full auto is a testament to how STUPID video game developers are for not including such a basic thing.
There is also the fact that the M14 is only effective in semi auto. Flip it on full and you might as well use the thing as an AA gun. Realisticly, the M14 should almost always be used in semi auto. The fact that the thing has such low recoil in this game is bogus, but hey that's game balancing for you.
What did I say? I said that it replaced the BAR and Garand, which meant that only a few guys or just one in a squad would have theirs set to full auto to be used as a support weapon. Almost all the other guys would have them in semi. An often overlooked feature of the m14 was the use of the fold out butt plate, which held the entire stock down against your shoulder. In addition to that, it was easily controllable with a bipod. Go play call of duty bro
The M14 as a support weapon? Oh yeah, one of those half assed plans that the top brass came up with. The M14 never had the capacity to use as a support weapon. Which is also why the IARs that the USMC is getting is also going to be meh, they will never have the capacity or be as manly as the Pig. The opening butt plate will not reduce impulse or muzzle rise. Controllable on a bipod? Yes, any damn gun is, so that is also an irrelevant argument. Plus what's with all the hate?
Also please consider the strength of the barrel. Even IF the M14 was controllable (which it isn't) twenty rounds of 7.62 NATO going down the barrel at 700 is RPM is going to cause alot of barrel flex and heat; conisistency will be down the toilet. Also had to add, 2 or 3 grunts with M14s using it as an IAR will never be as effective as 2 or 3 dudes with a MK48 or a Pig; slightly irrelevant but still points that the M14 SHOULD never have been meant to be a support weapon.
Marine Force Recon Diary: 1969. An account of a Force Recon team that was ambush details how their pointman and his m14 on full auto repelled the ambush by fear alone. The gooks thought his m14 was an m60 and got the hell out of there. I'm not saying it's as good as a SAW or m60, I'm saying that it was been used in that roll to some effect in the past. I never said the butt plate reduced muzzle climb, I meant that it allowed for more control, and its fine with a bipod...
@shift9303 I would also like to say I agree with you on the new IAR for the Marines. While it's more wield-able it lacks capacity which despite the fact they have 100 round drums for it, it's still not 200 rounds from a saw. Lol.
@streetgangtm The RPM of the M14 and the sound of it on fully auto sounds nothing like an M60, furthermore people dont run away from an ambush when they hear shots being fired. They know there is going to be a firefight.
@1ohtaf1 Well, when you're a small group of gooks in vietnam, ambushing a 4 man Recon team, and only expecting m16s, but then someone opens up with the thunderous m14, it happens, and DID happen. Go read Force Recon Diary, 1969. Great book. Btw you're right about the m14's rpm, it's HIGHER, which makes the situation make even more sense. And the m14/m60 do sound similar, and when you're 20 feet away behind thick brush the fact that they both shoot the same round means they are going to be alike
@streetgangtm I dont mean to sound rude but you are not too sure what you are even talking about, you sometimes cannot take the book too detailed and belive everything. Furthermore the M1A is springfield's version that they are selling now of the M14. It was not in vietnam. It doesnt even use USGI parts. You are not sure what you are talking about. and SAI is not the same springfield that made the M14 in nam and the garand in WW2. It just has the same name.
@streetgangtm I am sure that some ambushes were not successfull and they ran away but assuming it was because someone had an M14 and it is some kind of death ray scaring everyone back is stupid. There are many factors that could have made them retreat. If the author of that book thought it was his M14 thats that. But you dont know what that NVA or VC was thinking which made them decide to retreat.
The account of the ambush wasn't from a guy who was ambushed, it was from another recon guy who was there right after it happened. All I can say is to read the damn book. It's a good read to begin with, and shows how even the m14 was phased out it still saw heavy use with recon units and the like. But about the actual incident, who knows why they ran, but they do know that after pumping three quick mags at them on full auto with that m14 they turned and ran.
@streetgangtm Cant say it was because of that M14 in WW2 some incidents of a man with only his 1911 and he though he was going to die so went for it and started shooting at the japs, they ran. Probably not due to his 1911 and not due to the m14 being some sort of super deadly death ray with scares people within 100 miles. It might have been since the VC had lost the element of surprise and the GIs knew where they were they ran. They used hit and run tactics, they dont stay for a long firefight.
@streetgangtm M14 was a failure of a service rifle. The buttplate was not ment to help with recoil but to encourage the soilder to keep it in a patrol position without wearing them out to much. The same reasons the Brits and Anzacs oftern cut off the carry handle of their SLRs to stop the soldiers from carrieing it in such a casual fasion.
@shift9303 Fire selection was in battlefield 2, so blame those consoles for having to small amount of buttons on their controllers.but then again, balance>realism
Yes but then you have games like call of duty that have weapons shooting the exact same ammunition that are full auto, and the m14 is in the uber powerful sniper category. I just nitpick inconsistencies man.
@streetgangtm Actually all Service M14 rifles all had fully automatic revievers and trigger groups. Some of them had the select fire locked in the semi mode because the GIs couldnt handle the recoil and the military brass didnt want them wasteing ammo.
Actually there were two variants made. There was the m1a and the m14. The m14 DID sometimes have it's select fire option removed but it was usually so that it could be used as a marksman variant, and the predestined marksman variant.
@streetgangtm No, in vietnam there was no need for a designated marksman. The select fire lock was there for standard GIs in the time where it was the standard rifle. Now they use it as a designated marksman rifle in iraq and Afganistan.
@streetgangtm finally some1 knows their shit about guns, all these call of duty idiots assuming things. just because a gun behaves a certain way in a cod doesnt make it a fact -.-
@streetgangtm m14 had the full auto option in early variants, whith was later removed due to bone-smashing recoil and the AK which was a technologically more advanced back then. (yes i know AK was designed earlier than m14.) however in modern warfare (not the game :P) a semi-auto rifle does not do the trick anymore, so us army came up with the m16 full auto. due to various problems the full auto option was removed in favor of the three round burst, creating the m16 we know now.
How about no. If you want to go with what was designed first it would be the m14, as all it really is is an improved m1 garand with a magazine. Both the m14 and the ak47 utilize a gas piston recoil system, only the m14 is more efficient; as it has a higher rate of fire and everything fits together smoother. The m16a2 was given a three round burst because the mentality in vietnam had become that of spray and pray with the m16a1. By the way the m14 is back, and is here to stay.
@streetgangtm ak is based on german Stg44 which was introduced in '43-44. in '49 AK47 was accepted as a soviet main assalut rifle. m 14 was in servce in '57. AK47 was present (tho not widely used ) in the korean war, and US led coallition used basicly the same equippment as in the II world war. also: m14 is more accurate, but this is just one of the stats that make a good weapon. i know m 14 is still in service. i looked it up after seeing it in BC2 :)
The m1 entered service in 1936. As stated earlier all an m14 is is an m1 garand with full auto, chambered in .308, and has a magazine. Everything else is almost exactly the same. All you are doing is repeating things I've already said; of course I know the new DMR variants are semi auto. I don't need a history lesson on anything, especially from someone who "looked it up after seeing it in BC2". Stop trying to dick measure; you'll fall short.
@streetgangtm obviously you were BORN with wide knowledge of weaponry and i cannot compete with you. saying that m14 is a garant , only not really is very informative.
@partisan49 only modern m14 rifles are semi. in vietnam and every other conflict before that that used the m14 they were full auto. but brought down to semi auto because full auto had too much recoil. the m14 as a modern weapon is known as a "battle rifle" or "designated marksman rifle". somewhere inbetween assault and sniper rifle status. in all technicalities it was always a "selective fire weapon" which means that you can switch between semi and full.
@chrismanmk No, it was select-fire. The only M14 semi-autos were those designed as sniper rifles or marksman rifles with scopes. Don't rely on video games for info! Even the Belgian main FAL is full auto, yet IW was gay enough to put it on semi-auto.
@SoulsStealerMalti I've not shot a fully automatic FAL, but from what I have heard, it is incredibly hard to control. I don't remember what war it was, but I have heard that after testing automatic FAL's, Belgium decided to make rifles uncabable of full auto. I could be wrong though.
@HeroOfTime121 no no, the Belgian made FAL's were always select-fire. The only FAL that was semi-auto only was the licensed built FAL produced in Britain under the name of the L1A1 SLR and used by the British until the introduction of the SA80/L85.. And yes you are right, the FAL, as a 7.62 NATO battle rifle was extremely hard to control on full auto. However in a game this would simply mean that a FAL user would need to burst his shots at range and giving him some chance at CQB.
@1ohtaf1 Under DSA, the rifle is named the DSA-58OSW and has differences when compared to the Belgian FAL and FALO models. Plus it is designed for police use and not military use. Plus it is described as a select-fire "sawed off" FAL clone made by DS Arms (USA) for police use. So no, the DSA-58OSW made by DSA is not semi-auto only. Century are semi-auto because they are usually built from British L1A1 parts. So only civilian versions and British L1A1 derivatives are FAL semi auto rifles.
@SoulsStealerMalti I dont know what you are looking at, most of the DSA rifles are SA58s some are imbel kits and STG58s. Furthermore, Belgium itself did not make anywhere close to the majority of the FALs. SLR was a inch FAL. 93 countries adopted the FAL and many made it themselves with a FN licence and many made it without a Licence. Like the AK there are probably dozens upon dozens of variations. And Alot of countries did not bother with the auto capability when manufacturing the rifle.
@SoulsStealerMalti What you are trying to say is that only the inch pattern FALs were semi auto, and i have said and shown you allot of manifactures make metric semi-auto FALs, if you were saying that only the SLR was semi auto in nam, there were almost a hundred different variations and allot of them they did not bother to make a full auto capability, those who had were not trained or allowed to use it in that mode. And FYI the M14 does not sound like a M60 just because it is the same caliber.
@1ohtaf1 I understand the fact that many countries adopted the FAL design so I bow down to you. But when did I say that an M14 sounds just like an M60? That is bullcrap I would never say that. Hell I'd kill myself if I said that. You got the wrong guy on that line. I definitely agree with you that same caliber doesn't mean same sound. Also depends on the confinement you are shooting the weapon in.
what about you talking? m14 can be selected to semi or auto :DDD iv fired with it irl. P.S. cod is all about killing in frenzy and getting streak, and bc2 is all about making tactics and wont be selfish and help to team ^^ i love it btw
@minvydaaas454 I wish they didn't even bother putting full auto on the M14. It ruins the coolness factor because in reality the M14's full auto mode was impossible to aim!!
@minvydaaas454 I know, I've never actually shot the gun before, but I just think it would have been cooler. The gun just doesn't look like it would be full auto.
@JeretKings I dont believe it does, it has no reason to have it. M14 was a frontline Rifle, M21 was a conversion of it into a Sniper. They might have just removed the Automatic option entirely but I dont know for sure.
God, I hate this gun! It's the worsed gun by FAR in the entire game! Just reached Gold Star on it and will probably never touch it again unless they increase the damage on this gun. Really a shame cause I enjoyed the m14 EBR a lot in the main game...
@BadCompanygame They should have used the huey gunship instead of the huey slick
JeretKings 2 months ago
this gun cant be semi automatic like old game vietnam? i prefer semi or game create a button to choose semi or automatic
9EsPaDa 3 months ago
I'm buying this instead of battlefield 3
Nebworth1986 4 months ago
The m14 sounds so much better on pc
itsconnorstime 4 months ago
can everybody just stop thinkin there a gun expert at guns just because they play fps?
Yeoified 6 months ago
@Yeoified thats wat i say i hear people at school think they know everything about guns becuase they have played Cod which pisses me off cuase i am a gun enthusiast and actually know alot about guns
stickybandit221 6 months ago
@stickybandit221 i know its so funny reading the comments when peole do that
Yeoified 6 months ago
@Yeoified I don't. I believe I am because my uncle is a former reenactor(schooled me on ti) and I have shot several firearms myself.
Transformers2themax 6 months ago
At least this vid has a good taste of music. I like.
shootsniper 7 months ago
why do they put an m14 its just the same as an m1 wats so hard about using an m1
asiangagher 7 months ago
@asiangagher
The M1 Garand was an eight round rifle, which was semi-automatic and loaded with a stripper "en bloc" clip. The M14 was a twenty round rifle, and could be fully automatic and was loaded with a magazine. Big, big differences, my friend.
markreid95 7 months ago
@markreid95 oh but is it fully automatic in the game though hmmmm
asiangagher 7 months ago
@asiangagher
Yes, it is...
markreid95 7 months ago
Music?
CodyRimes 8 months ago
@CodyRimes the kinks - you really got me and psycotic reation
Carmex776 8 months ago
@Carmex776 Thank you.
CodyRimes 2 months ago
Should put it to 64 players, one life. Make it realistic. That would be one fucking awesome game mode. Where you actually have to communicate with your team and shit.
16% downloaded... /Sigh
AGedgeProduction 8 months ago
@AGedgeProduction why the fuck would you want it to be "realistic"?
Reiincarnation 7 months ago
@Reiincarnation I would like it to be a little more realistic preferably because it would be more strategic. Commumicate with your team, not run out doing no scopes is all. Keep the old game modes, but why not just add another? Right?
AGedgeProduction 7 months ago
@AGedgeProduction i don't agree with the realistic thing but i would like to see another game mode. i've always liked last man standing modes
Reiincarnation 7 months ago
i fucking hate wit when americans use ak47, rpk, and ppsh. and when vietcong uses m14, m16, m60 and the stoner. wtf???
88pie88 8 months ago
@88pie88 i hate that too. whem i am a american soldier in this game i use the M16. when i am a vietcong soldier i use the AK47.
TheRanger0202 8 months ago
@88pie88 SAME HERE!!! People do it all the time on there, and I hate it. By the way, they're NVA; not Viet Cong. There's a big difference between the two forces, my friend; even though they were allies.
Transformers2themax 6 months ago
@Transformers2themax i know, but the the sniper and medic are vietcong skins which is weird.
88pie88 6 months ago
@88pie88 Eh, sort of. The NVA sometimes wore straw hats as well. And all of the classes carry and wear too much military gear to be even close to Charilie. The VC often had one bandoleer or so.
Transformers2themax 6 months ago
What's the name of the first song playing?
BreakawayBlack 8 months ago
How do you use a parachute when you jump out of a helicopter??????
nerf3754 9 months ago
@Shady4782 yes, there's hardcore for all game modes
gequitz 9 months ago
this game looks badass lol is there a HC mode for it?
Shady4782 9 months ago
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see46 7 months ago
I watched this and thought... FUCK CALL OF DUTY.
SovetskyySoyuzah 10 months ago
M14; what a beauty
12357951 10 months ago
Hardcore - It's what I like to see. Thanks for the vid.
FinnGordonGilroy 10 months ago
what's the song at 0:29 guys
ticaouette 11 months ago
Does someone besides myself like to make it look realistic or actually know thing or two about the war, the weapons, and 60s music?
Transformers2themax 11 months ago 29
@Transformers2themax I love to use the guns the Two sides used, like the M16A1 and the M14 for the USA and the AK47 as the NVA.
ghiliedup 7 months ago
@ghiliedup Cool. Same here. One thing I prefer to do is, if I play on Hastings as an American, I use the M14. The Americans you're playing as on Hastings are the Marines because they were the main US force that participated in the actual Operation Hastings. It was in 1966, and as usual, the Marines always got the most outdated weaponry and gear. The Marines didn't switch to the M16 until late December of '67. By the Tet Offensive of 1968, the M16 was the standard issue for the Marine Corps.
Transformers2themax 7 months ago
@Transformers2themax Exactly, the Marines loved the M14 and didn't want to give it up for the M16, one of the main reasons they switched was because when the South Vietnamese tried to use the M14, it was to big and heavy for their small body structure.
ghiliedup 7 months ago
@ghiliedup I personally prefer the M16 because I'm a lightweight Native American, but there's no doubt that the M14's a good rifle. It just failed at it's original purpose. In this game, it works the best on Hastings and Cao Son Temple I've found. I really don't like the fact that they made it full-auto when, in reality, full-auto is completely useless on the M14. Have you ever tried making it semi-auto? Basically, just click the trigger really fast so it only fires one shot at a time. It works!
Transformers2themax 7 months ago
@Transformers2themax Do you know a thing or two about the Battlefield series itself? This series never aimed to be realistic ever since 42.
Bred2Protect 7 months ago
@Transformers2themax Hell yah, gun enthusiast all the way! Gotta love that rock and roll!
VideoGameFallout 6 months ago
Yes, the Kinks
bosoxboy1468927 11 months ago
and WHY is this gun a 5-6 hit kill??? in real life if a 7.62 even grazed your ear the entire left side of your face would be missing!
Itzthreepeat 1 year ago
@Itzthreepeat in real life a 9mm pistol bulet to the chest would also most likley kill you.
FFS1NICO 11 months ago
m1 and m14 are my favorite rifles ever IRL
jorge12app 1 year ago
m1 m14 are my favorite rifles ever IRL
jorge12app 1 year ago
the m14 is terrible way to inconsistent
jorge12app 1 year ago
OK total noob sounding question. I've had Bc2 since it came out and i can't for the life of me figure out how to use the parachute -.-
nuguns92 1 year ago
@nuguns92 tap A for xbox or triangle for PS3 like crazy dont know how to do it on PC
jorge12app 1 year ago
@jorge12app its x for ps3
STARSKY1313 1 year ago
@STARSKY1313 ok srry i dont play ps3
jorge12app 1 year ago
@nuguns92 space:D
MrThewowplayer 1 year ago
@MrThewowplayer for 360
nuguns92 1 year ago
@nuguns92 what?
MrThewowplayer 1 year ago
@MrThewowplayer I thought you were telling me to use the parachute was space on the pc but i use a 360. Sorry for not specifing that earlier.
nuguns92 1 year ago
@nuguns92 oh ok uh i think its the Start button im not sure but try it out:)
MrThewowplayer 1 year ago
m14 semi auto was the civilian version , the full auto is the real, military used version
MegaBabyStomper 1 year ago
@MegaBabyStomper
yes full auto does exist but its impractical due to the recoil of the 7.62 round
so the military prefers it in semi auto if its used.
b2o4e 1 year ago
your not very good at this game are you
lukewilliams010 1 year ago
@lukewilliams010 who cares
TheMasterGamer21 1 year ago
@TheMasterGamer21 your mum ????
lukewilliams010 1 year ago
@lukewilliams010 omfg
TheMasterGamer21 1 year ago
i thought this was a mod at first lol
MrSkullcandy96 1 year ago
I LOVE M14 :D
OfDesaster 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
get your ass back here! who the fuck told you how to read a map!?
petervanwinkles 1 year ago
the old weapons look awesome! and the music on the back 2!
good playing!
TheMrbenjamin72 1 year ago
@streetgangtm maybe the developers just wanted to make the game more balanced.
srry for the horrible english
eskematizado 1 year ago
This only the second version of the full auto M14 that I have seen, such a shame that there aren't more full autos out there. For those who are wondering, Medal of Honor 2010's M14 EBR is select fire and is fully auto.
hex304 1 year ago
I have this airsoft rifle, looks exactly like this
USparatroopersurgeon 1 year ago
the m14 has alot more recoil lol
Tomhobi1 1 year ago
whats the name of the second song?
MrBadAssBoy123 1 year ago
chosed 0 for the radio button but no songs will come up ): why ???
warmakern 1 year ago
this is probably the worst 3d model for an m 14 that I've ever seen
UnsatisfactionGuaran 1 year ago
ear rape at the biginning lol
5N1P3RHAA 1 year ago
video games always fantasize the m16. the m14 was a 7.62 mm round wich will rip u to pieces if u got hit with it. the m16 on the other hand is ment for a more humane way for killing people by just injuring them. now if u ask me i think it is way less humane to send our boys to way with a damn toy gun. fuck the enemy bring back the 7.62 rounds. btw the m16 is a 5.56 mm wich the actual round is the same fucking size as a .22 cal rifle that u cant even hunt deer with.
highlanddan 1 year ago
@highlanddan I have heard people hunting medium game with .223, the reason it was introduced because it was lighter and presented a capability for a usable automatic weapon. It was also easier to handle. The 5.56 is not something you want to get hit with. You are comparing a rifle cartridge to a pistol cartridge. they are not the same. And the comment "for killing people by just injuring them" does not make any sense.
1ohtaf1 1 year ago
finally they put the full auto version in the game, I think it needs more recoil though.
MisterBravura 1 year ago
Everyone, the original m14 was select fire, in other words semi and full auto. It was designed to replace BOTH the BAR and m1 garand. Some were made solely semi auto, but those have traditionally been marksman variants. The fact that so many video games havent given the m14 full auto is a testament to how STUPID video game developers are for not including such a basic thing.
streetgangtm 1 year ago 33
@streetgangtm
There is also the fact that the M14 is only effective in semi auto. Flip it on full and you might as well use the thing as an AA gun. Realisticly, the M14 should almost always be used in semi auto. The fact that the thing has such low recoil in this game is bogus, but hey that's game balancing for you.
shift9303 1 year ago
@shift9303
What did I say? I said that it replaced the BAR and Garand, which meant that only a few guys or just one in a squad would have theirs set to full auto to be used as a support weapon. Almost all the other guys would have them in semi. An often overlooked feature of the m14 was the use of the fold out butt plate, which held the entire stock down against your shoulder. In addition to that, it was easily controllable with a bipod. Go play call of duty bro
streetgangtm 1 year ago
@streetgangtm
The M14 as a support weapon? Oh yeah, one of those half assed plans that the top brass came up with. The M14 never had the capacity to use as a support weapon. Which is also why the IARs that the USMC is getting is also going to be meh, they will never have the capacity or be as manly as the Pig. The opening butt plate will not reduce impulse or muzzle rise. Controllable on a bipod? Yes, any damn gun is, so that is also an irrelevant argument. Plus what's with all the hate?
shift9303 1 year ago
@shift9303
Also please consider the strength of the barrel. Even IF the M14 was controllable (which it isn't) twenty rounds of 7.62 NATO going down the barrel at 700 is RPM is going to cause alot of barrel flex and heat; conisistency will be down the toilet. Also had to add, 2 or 3 grunts with M14s using it as an IAR will never be as effective as 2 or 3 dudes with a MK48 or a Pig; slightly irrelevant but still points that the M14 SHOULD never have been meant to be a support weapon.
shift9303 1 year ago
@shift9303
Marine Force Recon Diary: 1969. An account of a Force Recon team that was ambush details how their pointman and his m14 on full auto repelled the ambush by fear alone. The gooks thought his m14 was an m60 and got the hell out of there. I'm not saying it's as good as a SAW or m60, I'm saying that it was been used in that roll to some effect in the past. I never said the butt plate reduced muzzle climb, I meant that it allowed for more control, and its fine with a bipod...
streetgangtm 1 year ago
@streetgangtm
Fair enough, thank you for clarifying, point taken.
shift9303 1 year ago
@shift9303 I would also like to say I agree with you on the new IAR for the Marines. While it's more wield-able it lacks capacity which despite the fact they have 100 round drums for it, it's still not 200 rounds from a saw. Lol.
streetgangtm 1 year ago
@streetgangtm The RPM of the M14 and the sound of it on fully auto sounds nothing like an M60, furthermore people dont run away from an ambush when they hear shots being fired. They know there is going to be a firefight.
1ohtaf1 1 year ago
@1ohtaf1 Well, when you're a small group of gooks in vietnam, ambushing a 4 man Recon team, and only expecting m16s, but then someone opens up with the thunderous m14, it happens, and DID happen. Go read Force Recon Diary, 1969. Great book. Btw you're right about the m14's rpm, it's HIGHER, which makes the situation make even more sense. And the m14/m60 do sound similar, and when you're 20 feet away behind thick brush the fact that they both shoot the same round means they are going to be alike
streetgangtm 1 year ago
@streetgangtm I dont mean to sound rude but you are not too sure what you are even talking about, you sometimes cannot take the book too detailed and belive everything. Furthermore the M1A is springfield's version that they are selling now of the M14. It was not in vietnam. It doesnt even use USGI parts. You are not sure what you are talking about. and SAI is not the same springfield that made the M14 in nam and the garand in WW2. It just has the same name.
1ohtaf1 1 year ago
@1ohtaf1
You are correct, it was simply match grade m14s modified to semi. For some reason I was thinking they made them back then too, oh well.
streetgangtm 1 year ago
@streetgangtm I am sure that some ambushes were not successfull and they ran away but assuming it was because someone had an M14 and it is some kind of death ray scaring everyone back is stupid. There are many factors that could have made them retreat. If the author of that book thought it was his M14 thats that. But you dont know what that NVA or VC was thinking which made them decide to retreat.
1ohtaf1 1 year ago
@1ohtaf1
The account of the ambush wasn't from a guy who was ambushed, it was from another recon guy who was there right after it happened. All I can say is to read the damn book. It's a good read to begin with, and shows how even the m14 was phased out it still saw heavy use with recon units and the like. But about the actual incident, who knows why they ran, but they do know that after pumping three quick mags at them on full auto with that m14 they turned and ran.
streetgangtm 1 year ago
@streetgangtm Cant say it was because of that M14 in WW2 some incidents of a man with only his 1911 and he though he was going to die so went for it and started shooting at the japs, they ran. Probably not due to his 1911 and not due to the m14 being some sort of super deadly death ray with scares people within 100 miles. It might have been since the VC had lost the element of surprise and the GIs knew where they were they ran. They used hit and run tactics, they dont stay for a long firefight.
1ohtaf1 1 year ago
@1ohtaf1 READ THE BOOK
streetgangtm 1 year ago
@1ohtaf1 m14 wasent in WW2 the m1 garand was the previous rifle used in WW2
agoalie94 1 year ago
@agoalie94 I did not say that... When i said WW2 i was refering to the 1911. Read carefully and dont jump to your own conclutions.
1ohtaf1 1 year ago
@streetgangtm M14 was a failure of a service rifle. The buttplate was not ment to help with recoil but to encourage the soilder to keep it in a patrol position without wearing them out to much. The same reasons the Brits and Anzacs oftern cut off the carry handle of their SLRs to stop the soldiers from carrieing it in such a casual fasion.
1ohtaf1 1 year ago
@1ohtaf1 finaly some1 that knows something about the m14
psych0pathx 7 months ago
@shift9303 Fire selection was in battlefield 2, so blame those consoles for having to small amount of buttons on their controllers.but then again, balance>realism
DenKulesteSomFins 1 year ago
@streetgangtm they made the m14 full auto and semi auto on medal of honor :P
TheZeke44 1 year ago
@streetgangtm
someone hasnt played socom..
partisan49 1 year ago
@streetgangtm its not being stupid, its just for gameplay
lankyman0990 1 year ago
@lankyman0990
Yes but then you have games like call of duty that have weapons shooting the exact same ammunition that are full auto, and the m14 is in the uber powerful sniper category. I just nitpick inconsistencies man.
streetgangtm 1 year ago
@streetgangtm Actually all Service M14 rifles all had fully automatic revievers and trigger groups. Some of them had the select fire locked in the semi mode because the GIs couldnt handle the recoil and the military brass didnt want them wasteing ammo.
1ohtaf1 1 year ago
@1ohtaf1
Actually there were two variants made. There was the m1a and the m14. The m14 DID sometimes have it's select fire option removed but it was usually so that it could be used as a marksman variant, and the predestined marksman variant.
streetgangtm 1 year ago
@streetgangtm No, in vietnam there was no need for a designated marksman. The select fire lock was there for standard GIs in the time where it was the standard rifle. Now they use it as a designated marksman rifle in iraq and Afganistan.
1ohtaf1 1 year ago
@streetgangtm thanks for clearing that up i thought i was the only one who noticed almost every vietnam video game has differnt versions of the m14
BostonIrish192 1 year ago
@streetgangtm finally some1 knows their shit about guns, all these call of duty idiots assuming things. just because a gun behaves a certain way in a cod doesnt make it a fact -.-
MrSniperpwnage 1 year ago
@streetgangtm m14 had the full auto option in early variants, whith was later removed due to bone-smashing recoil and the AK which was a technologically more advanced back then. (yes i know AK was designed earlier than m14.) however in modern warfare (not the game :P) a semi-auto rifle does not do the trick anymore, so us army came up with the m16 full auto. due to various problems the full auto option was removed in favor of the three round burst, creating the m16 we know now.
FFS1NICO 11 months ago
@FFS1NICO
How about no. If you want to go with what was designed first it would be the m14, as all it really is is an improved m1 garand with a magazine. Both the m14 and the ak47 utilize a gas piston recoil system, only the m14 is more efficient; as it has a higher rate of fire and everything fits together smoother. The m16a2 was given a three round burst because the mentality in vietnam had become that of spray and pray with the m16a1. By the way the m14 is back, and is here to stay.
streetgangtm 11 months ago
@streetgangtm ak is based on german Stg44 which was introduced in '43-44. in '49 AK47 was accepted as a soviet main assalut rifle. m 14 was in servce in '57. AK47 was present (tho not widely used ) in the korean war, and US led coallition used basicly the same equippment as in the II world war. also: m14 is more accurate, but this is just one of the stats that make a good weapon. i know m 14 is still in service. i looked it up after seeing it in BC2 :)
FFS1NICO 11 months ago
@FFS1NICO
The m1 entered service in 1936. As stated earlier all an m14 is is an m1 garand with full auto, chambered in .308, and has a magazine. Everything else is almost exactly the same. All you are doing is repeating things I've already said; of course I know the new DMR variants are semi auto. I don't need a history lesson on anything, especially from someone who "looked it up after seeing it in BC2". Stop trying to dick measure; you'll fall short.
streetgangtm 11 months ago
@streetgangtm obviously you were BORN with wide knowledge of weaponry and i cannot compete with you. saying that m14 is a garant , only not really is very informative.
FFS1NICO 11 months ago
@streetgangtm oh and the new m14 is a marksman rifle. it does not feature ful auto option.
FFS1NICO 11 months ago
@FFS1NICO the m16 also uses 5.62
psych0pathx 7 months ago
@psych0pathx *5.56
AaronDeegan96 6 months ago
@streetgangtm alot of games dont have select fire and sem auto suits the M14 better in most situations
yunan4 10 months ago
I was sure that the M14 was a semi auto rifle...
chrismanmk 1 year ago
@chrismanmk
it is
partisan49 1 year ago
@partisan49 It has both Full auto and semi auto. Just cus Black ops only has Semi doesnt make it semi -_-
itachisan02 1 year ago
@itachisan02
no shit i know that already. in socom u can have it shoot single or rapid fire.
and i hate how in black ops u can only fire single shot
partisan49 1 year ago
@partisan49 only modern m14 rifles are semi. in vietnam and every other conflict before that that used the m14 they were full auto. but brought down to semi auto because full auto had too much recoil. the m14 as a modern weapon is known as a "battle rifle" or "designated marksman rifle". somewhere inbetween assault and sniper rifle status. in all technicalities it was always a "selective fire weapon" which means that you can switch between semi and full.
krich451 7 months ago
@partisan49 It was not
siggibiggy 7 months ago
@chrismanmk dumass, get ur gun knowledge from video games, in real life u can change firing modes
SmackDaddy955 1 year ago
@chrismanmk
Because in Black Ops it's not full auto..
dannybighair 1 year ago
@chrismanmk No, the standard issue M14 was a selective fire weapon!
D1G1T4LDOGMUCK 1 year ago
@chrismanmk fucking COD gamer
modernflyboy 1 year ago
@modernflyboy What about the M14 in Bad Company 2 multiplayer? That's what I was refering to, not COD.
chrismanmk 1 year ago
@chrismanmk i am so sorry, i thought you where referring to COD.
modernflyboy 1 year ago
@chrismanmk No, it was select-fire. The only M14 semi-autos were those designed as sniper rifles or marksman rifles with scopes. Don't rely on video games for info! Even the Belgian main FAL is full auto, yet IW was gay enough to put it on semi-auto.
SoulsStealerMalti 1 year ago
@SoulsStealerMalti I've not shot a fully automatic FAL, but from what I have heard, it is incredibly hard to control. I don't remember what war it was, but I have heard that after testing automatic FAL's, Belgium decided to make rifles uncabable of full auto. I could be wrong though.
HeroOfTime121 1 year ago
@HeroOfTime121 no no, the Belgian made FAL's were always select-fire. The only FAL that was semi-auto only was the licensed built FAL produced in Britain under the name of the L1A1 SLR and used by the British until the introduction of the SA80/L85.. And yes you are right, the FAL, as a 7.62 NATO battle rifle was extremely hard to control on full auto. However in a game this would simply mean that a FAL user would need to burst his shots at range and giving him some chance at CQB.
SoulsStealerMalti 1 year ago
@SoulsStealerMalti There are alot of companies now that make semi-auto FALs, DSA and Centuary are couple of them.
1ohtaf1 1 year ago
@1ohtaf1 Under DSA, the rifle is named the DSA-58OSW and has differences when compared to the Belgian FAL and FALO models. Plus it is designed for police use and not military use. Plus it is described as a select-fire "sawed off" FAL clone made by DS Arms (USA) for police use. So no, the DSA-58OSW made by DSA is not semi-auto only. Century are semi-auto because they are usually built from British L1A1 parts. So only civilian versions and British L1A1 derivatives are FAL semi auto rifles.
SoulsStealerMalti 1 year ago
@SoulsStealerMalti I dont know what you are looking at, most of the DSA rifles are SA58s some are imbel kits and STG58s. Furthermore, Belgium itself did not make anywhere close to the majority of the FALs. SLR was a inch FAL. 93 countries adopted the FAL and many made it themselves with a FN licence and many made it without a Licence. Like the AK there are probably dozens upon dozens of variations. And Alot of countries did not bother with the auto capability when manufacturing the rifle.
1ohtaf1 1 year ago
@SoulsStealerMalti What you are trying to say is that only the inch pattern FALs were semi auto, and i have said and shown you allot of manifactures make metric semi-auto FALs, if you were saying that only the SLR was semi auto in nam, there were almost a hundred different variations and allot of them they did not bother to make a full auto capability, those who had were not trained or allowed to use it in that mode. And FYI the M14 does not sound like a M60 just because it is the same caliber.
1ohtaf1 1 year ago
@1ohtaf1 I understand the fact that many countries adopted the FAL design so I bow down to you. But when did I say that an M14 sounds just like an M60? That is bullcrap I would never say that. Hell I'd kill myself if I said that. You got the wrong guy on that line. I definitely agree with you that same caliber doesn't mean same sound. Also depends on the confinement you are shooting the weapon in.
SoulsStealerMalti 1 year ago
@SoulsStealerMalti streetgangtm said that it sounded the same not you, might have got mixed up between you two.
1ohtaf1 1 year ago
@SoulsStealerMalti Oh Ok. Thanks for clearing that up.
HeroOfTime121 1 year ago
@chrismanmk stop basing you gun knowledge from cod
bbblllooop 1 year ago 23
@bbblllooop I was actually going by how the M14 in regular BC2 was semi-auto.
chrismanmk 1 year ago
@bbblllooop
what about you talking? m14 can be selected to semi or auto :DDD iv fired with it irl. P.S. cod is all about killing in frenzy and getting streak, and bc2 is all about making tactics and wont be selfish and help to team ^^ i love it btw
minvydaaas454 6 months ago 3
@minvydaaas454 I wish they didn't even bother putting full auto on the M14. It ruins the coolness factor because in reality the M14's full auto mode was impossible to aim!!
JeretKings 2 months ago
@JeretKings
its forclose quarterers. in lithuanian army, they give you m14 to learn to shoot. want to lower down recoil? get a muscle :)
minvydaaas454 2 months ago
@minvydaaas454 I know, I've never actually shot the gun before, but I just think it would have been cooler. The gun just doesn't look like it would be full auto.
JeretKings 2 months ago
@JeretKings
the thing is actualyu that as i sayed you can switch modes, and m14 always had this mode. maybe you were talking about m21 version?
minvydaaas454 1 month ago
@minvydaaas454 Yes! Thank you for reminding me. So did the M21 have full auto?
JeretKings 1 month ago
@JeretKings I dont believe it does, it has no reason to have it. M14 was a frontline Rifle, M21 was a conversion of it into a Sniper. They might have just removed the Automatic option entirely but I dont know for sure.
BloodyAbyss1216 1 month ago
@JeretKings
m21 dont have full auto.
minvydaaas454 1 month ago
@chrismanmk it was not actually,it was first intended as an assault rifle actually.
agoalie94 1 year ago
@chrismanmk Stupid shit its full auto
NoSHlTSherlock 6 months ago
@NoSHlTSherlock I realise that now :P
chrismanmk 6 months ago
Once again, great vid! Keep it up!
D1G1T4LDOGMUCK 1 year ago
God, I hate this gun! It's the worsed gun by FAR in the entire game! Just reached Gold Star on it and will probably never touch it again unless they increase the damage on this gun. Really a shame cause I enjoyed the m14 EBR a lot in the main game...
BoTTeNBR 1 year ago
@BoTTeNBR the ebr in the main game sucked more i thought
Piggywarz 1 year ago
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The M-14 separates the men from the boys!
mrfuuker 1 year ago
i really like how u added the 70's soundtrack! lol its awesome
clevelandtyler2 1 year ago
I will get this next month :D
NinjaSebban 1 year ago
It shoots full auto?
Liongetinthecar3 1 year ago
@Liongetinthecar3 yes
clevelandtyler2 1 year ago
@Liongetinthecar3
it does since its M-14 , however M1a (civilian version of M14 fires semi auto)
mrfuuker 1 year ago