Legend Of Wrestling:Rivalries PT 7/7

[codyjobe]

Gene sucks at hosting, Jr is way better

[Venom101002]

I thought these guys were going to talk about the great rivilries of wrestling history, not current events. How about Superstar Billy Graham v. Ken Patera. Flair v. Race. Rhodes v. Graham. The great tag teams, the Funks, the Briscos, the Valiant Bros. They didn't even scratch the surface. This was just a promo for the WWE.

[bertotaker]

@Venom101002 Brody vs Abdullah was great! what a lost of time

[Jleath10]

Amen no Ric Flair

[1980redkremlin]

As good as the attitude era was it could have been great if Hart stuck around.

[thedevilindisguise1]

NOW EDGE IS THE FASTEST HALL OF FAMER!!!

[Fultonfalcons86]

@thedevilindisguise1 thats because there running out of people to induct lol

[TheTEAMBUTLER]

Vince will sign me next year. Im called Flex bad balls and im the next big thing. Youl see YOUL ALL SEE

[JoBo6772]

@TheTEAMBUTLER HAHAHAHAHAHA

[Billionaire5000]

@TheTEAMBUTLER jobber

[superlucas010578]

The Ultimate Warrior in an interview states that he believes this was staged and brilliantly performed. Think about it guys , I give you the facts , you decide if it's real or not. Just remember this : VINCE IS A GENIUS and you all know that.

[IDIOTdella]

@superlucas010578 - IMO, The Ultimate Warrior is a dick who expresses himself better than he did in his promos, but what he has to say is pretty much uninformed garbage. He wasn't even at the WWF when it all went down. I'm sorry to say, but, imho, you offered a lot of supposition from a hindsight POV with little, if any, fact to support those suppositions. *shrug*

[superlucas010578]

@IDIOTdella Well we both have different opinions about what really happened and maybe we'll never know 100% for sure. The Ultimate Warrior may have been a dick and a very difficult person to work with but I don't think he's a two faced hypocrite and I believe he tells the truth. Bret lagged of charisma , that's the only thing he didn't have. But he's a great athlete and a very good technical wrestler.

[IDIOTdella]

@superlucas010578 - We do have differing opinions, but I don't state mine as fact, even though they do have a lot of that to support them. Shawn Michaels was a shit back then, but he wasn't a hypocrite. I agree, Bret was a great athlete and technical wrestler, but, imho, he lacked humility, he suffered from an insufferable grandiose opinion of himself (still does to this day), and he blames an awful lot of OTHER people for his downfalls while hardly ever taking full responsibility himself.

[IDIOTdella]

@superlucas010578 (cont'd) For instance he attributes Goldberg as ending his career because he gave him a concussion (I've never known any wrestler forced to end their career because of a concussion) and also attributes that concussion to his stroke, when in fact it was the injuries he sustained in the accident, because he was riding his bike without a safety helmet, which caused his stroke. Is any of that of good character, of integrity? Blaming his life-threatening situ on someone else.

[superlucas010578]

@IDIOTdella I guess not .... maybe Bret was a person who was unbearable to get along if he didn't like you.

[IDIOTdella]

@superlucas010578 - Maybe... It probably something which is true of most of us. However, given his interviews, Bret seems to think there is nothing wrong, even despicable, in heaping that kind of horrible responsibility on Goldberg's shoulders and I find that a truly unlikeable aspect about Bret and far shittier than anything Shawn has publicly done in the past.

[darkallegiance666]

@IDIOTdella I really like and agree with what you have to say here.

[IDIOTdella]

@darkallegiance666 - Thank you, that's really kind of you to say so :-)

[superlucas010578]

So all of these discussions about Bret not wanting to surrender the title belt to Shawn in Canada was the PERFECT EXCUSE for Vince to act like he screwed Bret. It was all perfectly studied. My hat's off to Vince. So Bret Hart leaves, he's still a fan favourite looking like the victim, Shawn leaves also because of his injury and Stone Cold becomes the main event guy defying Vince and breaking rating records. Time goes by and Bret accepts being inducted in the Hall of Fame. Wasn't he mad at Vince?

[IDIOTdella]

@superlucas010578 Bret still wasn't a fan favourite in America though, that's the thing. The Anti-American storyline probably dogged that part of his American fanbase for a long time after - most probably thought he deserved to be screwed, though in truth, I'm not entirely sure how receptive American fans were of him after because I never watched WCW at that time. According to Bret, Bret and McMahon had been on very good speaking terms from 2002 the day of his stroke. *shrug*

[superlucas010578]

So then why did nobody filmed Bret punching Vince ??? Sure they all say he did it but nobody saw it. An angry woman (Bret's wife) yelling at Triple H and some other men ??? Come on , that's very good acting. Why was all of this taped if it really happened ? WWE officials would have let anyone film the incidents backstage or better yet filmed it themselves looking guilty in front of the audience ???

[IDIOTdella]

@superlucas010578 - The punch may not have been filmed (who knows maybe there is footage of it) because Bret didn't want them there because what he was about to do would have besmirched his apparently good name, good character and integrity. *shrug* The thing is, WWF couldn't deny that the screwjob had occurred so it would have been pointless stopping the filming of the wife and so on - to do so would only have added more fuel to the already raging fire that was occurring.

[superlucas010578]

Going back again remember that in 1996/1997 they all starting talking and mentioning McMahon as the owner of the WWE, thing that they never ever did before. It was also the time when more cameras and images were taken from inside the locker rooms. Coincidence ??? Why in the world WWE officials would film Bret Hart's discussion with Shawn inside the locker room right after the incident in Montreal ??? If it was real then the most logic thing to do is to keep it secretly from the audience.

[IDIOTdella]

@superlucas010578 - McMahon was accepted as a colour commentator and also a good friend of whomever they used as the President of the Company back then, such a Gorilla and Jack Tunnay, so Bret's slips before were seen as that and not as Mcmahon being the Owner, but Bret spitting in McMahon's face and dealing with McMahon directly as he did, drew attention to the past similar indiscretions, thus ousting mcMahon as being the owner.

[superlucas010578]

Bret gets angry and leaves WWE and everybody thinks they really screwed him. He also acts like he's angry destroying all WWE cameras and spitting McMahon and punching him and making statements that they screwed him. After this incident McMahon creates his character as the hated cruel boss who screws anybody and guess who the only one to defies him is : Yes, Stone Cold.

[IDIOTdella]

@superlucas010578 - Part of the reason I believe the job wasn't a work is because of Bret's reactions. They are too believable for them to have been acted, played out. I've never seen an actor perfect the look of being sick to the stomach as Bret did then and how he looks on the Rivals DVD when telling about the job. McMahon iontro'd the McMahon character because Bret had ousted him as the owner of the WWF and then implemented the screwjob as being part of his character...

[superlucas010578]

It continues with Bret Hart's wanting leave the WWE to get a better schedule and wanting to be around his family more often. So he starts to slowly become a hated guy so he would not have the support of the fans any more. He starts whinning about everything in several worked angles and in Wrestlemania XIII he finally becomes the "bad guy" and Stone Cold a fan favourite. Then WWE used his real rivalry with Shawn Michaels to look like he helped McMahon to screw Bret. 

[IDIOTdella]

@superlucas010578 - IMO, the paragraph I'm responding to is basically supposition from your POV, but anyway. Bret's character was always a whining bitch, even when he was the supposed babyface, so he never really started to whine, he just intensified it when he turned heel. He didn't slowly become the hated guy, the moment the anti-amrican storyline hit with him dissing the American fans and playing homage to his Canadian ones, that's when he became disliked.

[superlucas010578]

IoI Guys , guys , guys .... The Montreal Screwjob was a geniusly and wonderfuly performed angle !!!!! It wasn't true. Everybody involved sweared on their lives that they would never EVER tell the truth about it. It was all part of a genius and elaborated plan to finally start the ATTITUDE ERA. Think about it. It all starts around 1996/1997 with more offensive promos using bad language and more complex characters. Stone Cold was the perfect example of that.

[IDIOTdella]

@superlucas010578 - The more offensive promos started in 96 which is when the Attitude Era was first began, the screwjob simply elevated that era into to what it became.Whilst I agree there is plenty of evidence that the job was a work, most notably IMO the contradictions of who told who and so on, I'm inclined to believe it wasn't because no-one is capable of maintaining such a credible and intense dislike for each other over such a long period of time if it were not true.

[hitcan79]

I gotta title for Pat PAtterson's book, "The Cream Team".... sick fuck

[hitcan79]

Bret is right about that flag shit, that pissed me off and it still does lol, shawn could push buttons the prick lol

[oMitchFury]

Probably the worst/ lowest rated wrestlemania to date. Fuckers can't rewrite history.

[oMitchFury]

Tyson couldn't get a boxing license after his biting/ hotel assault. WWE needed some star power for wrestlemania.

[MH0830]

If they could of made a deal were Bret dropped it the next night on RAW or whatever if he didnt loose want to loose in Cananda then all that wouldn't of happened but in a way its good it did happen... not for Bret but you get what i mean

[torgocalgon]

Bret's idea that if he humped the U.S. flag he'd never be forgiven by U.S. fans is way off...Sgt. Slaughter folks. Burned it and people adore him, we know its staged. What he should've said is Canadian fans have a dif mentality than U.S. fans, instead of just flipping the script for an example. Love ya Bret.

[wa2k99]

No Flair-Steamboat????

[theaterattendee]

I think that Arn Anderson is more like the "Susan Lucci" of the Hall of Fame not Michael Hayes

[vaughnresperjr]

Why would Michael Hayes ask something so stupid???!!! Shawn goes into the Hall because of his in-ring accomplishments over his backstage politics.

[TheMm858]

@vaughnresperjr i think michael wanted to see if bret thought shawn should be in the hof.michael def knows shawn deserves it

[MrColtini]

How much was his contract worth? Length? Money? Thanks

[TNO73]

@MrColtini If my memory serves me I think they locked Bret into a 20 year contract. The idea was for him to wrestle & then work as a booker or agent or whatever, bu tthe contract was double digit millions ver 20 years. However he took 3 mil/year at WCW cuz Vince had to renege on the deal. claiming finacial peril. Behind the scenes I think it was Shawn telling Vince they didn't need Bret. Like Vince says they paid Tyson over a million for 1/2 hours work

[StuUngar]

@TNO73 Brets contract was for 1.5 million a year. Bret says Tyson made more in 10 minutes than he did in his ENTIRE career in WWE. So it was way more than what "over a million" would implicate.

Tyson was still insanely popular at the time. After the first few Wrestlemanias, the celebs involved with WWE were usually B grade celebs like Leslie Nielson, Ray Combs, Burt Reynolds (in the 90s), Art Donovan, etc.

Tyson was an A+ celeb who got 20 mil a fight. Im betting he got at least 10 mil.

[MrAnton101]

beowulf is obviously shawn michaels haha

[justbeforedusk]

bret and vince are still working us all.

[drvn8]

huge fan of bret's wrestling but after his retirement from wcw i got sick of hearing him mark out for himself constantly and politicizing so much. even during this video, a few comments seemed a bit much. i must say though... his closing statements about shawn michaels showed a lot of class. takes a lot to be able to do that and he did so with sincerity. nice to see... i've always liked rooting for the hitman.

[jerzeefranky3475]

Would've loved 2 have seen Part 5...Other than that...Brilliant stuff there...

[landrykkb]

I can't 100% agree with Bret Hart on the statement that WWF had the better wrestling than WCW because WCW had the likes of Chris Benoit,Chris Jericho,Dean Malenko,Eddie Guerrero,Ultimo Dragon,Rey Mysterio,but it was just that they were all relegated to the mid-card because of Eric Bischoff`s fixation with the NWO.

[Aube182]

He still had 90 working days left on his WWF contract.. so he could of lost the belt in any other city or night...thats what people dont understand.. so how can you say he wasnt open minded.. he was only looking out for himself..if he would of lost that match fair in canada it wouldnt of made any sence.. he had 90 days left to job for shawn in any other state

[beowulf20062006]

Great question from Michael Hayes. Hitman responds by lying. He did not have an "open mind." He didn't want drop the belt. He wanted to win the match and surrender the belt on Raw the next night before he left the company.

P.S, Tyson got paid large money because he's Mike Tyson, a huge draw. He brought mainstream media attention to WWE. His appearances in WWE helped tip the balance back to WWE during the Monday Night Wars. Now he's a bigger draw than Mike Tyson. His ego knows no limits.

[MattSingh1]

@beowulf20062006 Hart offered to drop the title to anyone, including Micheals, at a major MSG house show, as well as to anyone at at least one TV tapings after Survivor Series. It wasn't until Micheals starting acting like a moron that Hart refused to drop the title to him. Hart had no problem with dropping the title either Micheals, Austin or Taker in a threee-way a week after SS. From your post, it's sounds like you didn't live thru this episode and have no idea what you're babbling about.

[Rescueme0909]

@MattSingh1 You're on point with what you're saying, but it was more so Bret Hart not wanting to drop it to HBK in his country. While I can see why Bret Hart didn't want to drop the title to HBK, it was a slap in the face to everyone in the WWF. If Hart for a second looked passed HBK, he would've noticed that him dropping the belt on Raw (that is if he even shows up) would've been detrimental to the title and would have said WWF's best wrestler is on WCW now.

[StuUngar]

@MattSingh1 If you read his book and watch Wrestling With Shadows, I don't see how you can say he was open to anything.

Bret didn't want to turn heel. He didnt like the angle with Austin. He liked Austin as a person, but wanted SCSA to be the heel. So when Shawn turned heel, he thought Shawn Michaels was stealing his thunder & that since he had trashed America, he couldnt be face. He didn't want to lose bc he said after the character flip flops, jobbing would be squashing the Hitman character.

[StuUngar]

@MattSingh1 Re: Squashing the Hitman character...is understandable to a point, and I can see several reasons why he was upset. But he def wasn't open to anything. He said in 97 straight out that he wanted to forfeit the belt on Raw. He wanted to go out the hero

Wanted to be the hero in WCW too. Remember one of his first WCW interviews, fans are chanting USA! USA! bc he had momentum from the Anti-USA stuff, where he was an awesome heel. He kills it flat by making an 8 second apology to USA fans.

[RKO074Life]

@MattSingh1 and if he just agreed to drop it at SS none of this would have happened bret screwed bret

[MattSingh1]

@RKO074Life That's not even simple-minded, my deluded friend; I suggest you watch the new 'Rivalries: Hart Vs. Michaels' WWE DVD. Your fanboyism will be shattered. You clearly have no clue of the subject, because if you did, you'd know that Bret had the legal right, as stated in his WWE control, to refuse to anything he didn't want to. Like I wrote before (and you completely ignored) Hart offered to drop the title to anyone, including Michaels, at a major MSG house show, or vacate the title.

[RKO074Life]

@MattSingh1 i didnt ignore your point at all im saying even with his legal rights if he decided to drop to anyone at SS and not the night after the whole screwjob would not of happened ive seen most of what ive seen and read about this and my mind is made that Bret Screwed Bret you dont have to agree with me but thats my opinion and by the way WTF is fanboyism

[only1icon]

@MattSingh1 finally someone talking sense

[MattSingh1]

@only1icon Thanks for the kind words, the new Bret/Shawn DVD out this month is an interesting piece and has gotten rave reviews from the likes of Jim Ross AND Dave Meltzer.

[only1icon]

@MattSingh1 no worries mate just being honest yeah I cannot wait for it especially the behibd the scenes on the interviews from 96/97

[CultOfPersonality1]

@MattSingh1 Is this Bret Hart? Dude come on stop commenting on your own videos. We've all heard it enough times.

[Keepitgreasy11]

@beowulf20062006

about Bret being "open minded" maybe Bret wanted to drop the belt on TV like how Michaels dropped the belt in Lowell MT on Thursday RAW Thursday (the lost my smile speech) or didn't want to do the honors to Michaels? Who would want to work with him back then (behind the curtain when he was a booker) I know I'd second guess that LOL