9/11 Conspiracy Theories - P.19: Pentagon Exit Hole

[gazoopi]

the exit hole is where the landing gear came through, u dick

[MaRiNeSniP3r93]

I hate to tell you but we have missles that DON'T go off after inpact but wait

till atfer inpack takes place

[911NeverForget]

well, i dont recall ever seeing any of them doing that.

[MaRiNeSniP3r93]

@911NeverForget cuz you know nothing thats why

[911NeverForget]

and you're being disrespectful for no reason. the point?

[MaRiNeSniP3r93]

@911NeverForget my point is that you go by info the goverment gave you not on the facts!!

[911NeverForget]

no i dont and the government gave me nothing.

[TheSupr3m3]

Alrigh i rest my case, Keep your eyes closed ;)

[911NeverForget]

way to ignore my points.

[TheSupr3m3]

@911NeverForget  You made any ?

[911NeverForget]

dont play dumb, of course i did. there's even some right at the top of the comments. you're not even putting up an effort now. i wasted my time with you.

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[TheSupr3m3]

I seriously suggest that you do some research on the us government and just find out for your self what horrible things they have done and are still doing......

I know it can be hard to believe and i honestly don't want to believe it myself, but there's just too many evidence.........

[911NeverForget]

the same old "do research" line...never works.

there's not "too many evidence" either. time and time again i have asked for this so called evidence and i either get things that are flawed or nothing at all.

[KimmoKuopio]

@TheSupr3m3

Your country didnt help us in the war against the Soviet Union, the United States of America helped us and we won the war. Do u think that it was NOT a good thing that ey helped us?

[TheSupr3m3]

@KimmoKuopio And that's is relevant how ??? And the only reason they help is to get better out of it themselves.....

[TheSupr3m3]

I mean the oficial story is nothing but lies, and has also been proven Phisicaly not possible.

If this wasn't a cover up than why all those lies >???

Trust me, anyone who does not have anything too hide, has no need to lie......

and that's a FACT.

[911NeverForget]

no it hasnt. no one has proven that the outside job has been impossible.

and its not an "official story". there's nothing official about it and it's not a story. its not full of lies either.

[TheSupr3m3]

How do you create a nice clean hole in a reinforced concrete wall? with an explosive shaped charge. An explosive shaped charge, or cutting charge is used in various military warhead devices. You design the geometry of the explosive charge so that you create a focused line of energy. You essentially focus nearly all of the explosive energy in what is referred to as a jet. You use this jet to cut and penetrate armor on a tank, or the walls of a bunker. The signature is clear and unmistakable.

[911NeverForget]

except debris from the plane was found near the hole.

a hole does not automatically mean an explosive.

[COMMANDERPLOP]

so the pentagon doesn't have cameras inside or outside that could show us more? do people really believe that? the most secure building in the world? has less cameras than a walmart?...... so i could stand on the pentagon lawn and fire an RPG at it and i wouldn't be on camera?... there's an idea.

[911NeverForget]

no ones saying that. but no ones also saying that every camera was on and pointed in that direction.

[COMMANDERPLOP]

i can see you dont believe it was an inside job. i do believe it was an inside job, but i try to keep an open mind at all times and am willing to accept the possibility i may be wrong, it may all have happend exactly as they say it did. can you at least accept the possibility of an inside job? you can not see truth with a closed mind.

[911NeverForget]

why change the subject? im having an open mind, and it wasnt an inside job.

[COMMANDERPLOP]

you have an open mind? so you do admit there is a possibility it was an inside job?..... my original comment was about security cameras. security servaillance is 24/7 so i would expect all cameras to at least be on. if they were off, that would suggest someone turned them off perposefully, maybe to make sure there was no clear footage of what hit?..... as for what direction they were pointed, i doubt a military command centre would not be prepared for an attack from all sides.

[911NeverForget]

"...job?" so in other words, people who disagree with you dont have open minds. hilarious. yes i have an open mind but theres NO possibility of 9/11 being an inside job.

"...hit" [sarcasm] yeah, because even the slightest thing...like a camera being off...is suspicious...it cant be a technical issue or something. [/sarcasm]

"i doubt a military command centre would not be prepared for an attack from all sides." but the thing is not all the cameras are going to be pointed at one direction.

[COMMANDERPLOP]

you misunderstand, i respect your belief, im not asking you to agree it was an inside job, im asking if your mind is open to the fact that its a possibility. for example: i do not believe in god, but i am open minded so accept there is a possibility he may be real. some people, however, believe in god without question, their mind is closed to all other possibilities, as is yours in the case of 9/11 it would seem. you must consider all possibilities before you can form an intelligent conclusion.

[911NeverForget]

no, im not misunderstanding. theres no evidence that an inside job couldve happened. theres just no possibility.

[COMMANDERPLOP]

there's plenty of evidence to suggest it was an inside job. there is no evidence it was bin laden?

[911NeverForget]

no there isnt. every piece of evidence turned out have very obvious flaws that made them invalid. you guys keep saying you have all the evidence and then when asked why you dont take this so called evidence to trial, silence arises.

Bin Laden funded the attacks and recruited the guys who'd crash the planes but it was KSM and the 19 hijackers, respectively, who was the mastermind and the ones that actually committed the acts. Bin Laden just supported it.

[COMMANDERPLOP]

the FBI gave us all that information within 2 days of the attack, you can't know all that in 48 hours worth of investigation. the media was telling us it was bin laden just 33 mins after the first plane crash, pictures of his face alongside the smoking towers, thats "brain-washing". the bbc have found 7 of those 19 hijackers still alive. FBI claimed they found the pass port of a hijacker, their "proof" he was on the plane, after he was found alive, they decided they didn't find it after all.

[911NeverForget]

"the FBI gave us all that information within 2 days of the attack" proof?

"the media was telling us..." because by then they knew it was a terrorist attack and Bin Laden and Al Qaeda had been launching multiple attacks (WTC 1993, Cole Bombing for example) on us in the period leading up to 9/11. its no surprise that they thought it was Bin Laden.

and the "alive hijackers" claim has been covered already on my vids (as a matter of fact its one of this vid's related videos)

[COMMANDERPLOP]

if you watched the news 2 days after you'd have seen all the hijackers names and pictures. the ones still alive recognised not just there names but there pictures in news papers calling them terorists.

but the biggest reasons for an inside job are: insufficient visual evidence of a large plane at united 93 crash sight and pentagon. WTC 1 and 2 explosively disintergrating to dust in mid air, from top to foundations in 10 seconds. WTC 7 drops vertically to a small pile of rubble in 6 seconds.

[911NeverForget]

thats not "all the information" though. its just hijacker pics. nothing else.

again, already covered in my vids. i even have a vid clearly showing a gallery of pics of F93 debris and another with F77 debris.

it didnt "explode", it didnt "disintergrate into dust in mid air", it wasnt from the top to the foundations, and it wasnt in 10 seconds.

"...seconds." it fell to the south, not vertically...and of course it was a small pile. it wasnt a huge building. it wasnt in 6 seconds either.

[COMMANDERPLOP]

WTC 1 and 2 "explosively" turned to dust in the air before anything hit the ground, ejecting steel beams 400ft, embedding them in surrounding buildings, leaving molten metal under the pile, that smouldered for 3 months, both towers fell in 10 seconds, top to foundations and below, there was little to no resistance, nearly all concrete was pulvarised to a fine dust, creating pyroplastic flows that travelled 30pmh down every street, both towers were 100% destroyed.

all documented video fact.

[911NeverForget]

no, its not documented video fact.

[COMMANDERPLOP]

do we see the building rapidly throwing pulverized debri outwards in all directions?....yes

do we see steam beams being ejected at high speed up to 400ft away and have pictures of them embedded in other buildings?...yes

can we watch the initial moment of collapse, close our eyes, count to 10, then open them to see the tower is gone?...yes

do we see pyroplastic flows causd by intense heat moving at high speed down every street?...yes

do we see that not one floor remains intact?... yes

[911NeverForget]

no, yes and no because they arent steel beams but the perimeter wall columns, no because it wasnt 10 seconds, yes and no because they arent "pyroclastic flows" and they werent caused by intense heat, and somewhat no because there were CHUNKS of floors 1-5 that survived.

[COMMANDERPLOP]

ok, you're right, the earth is flat. if it helps you sleep at night.

[911NeverForget]

thanks for not even countering my points. it shows you're running out of any steam you had. i wasted my time with you.

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[marcstinebaugh]

This was the stupidest video I've seen in a while. Your theories don't even make sense AT ALL and your counter arguments are ridiculous.

[911NeverForget]

they arent theories.

and you guys have had counter arguments. THOSE were ridiculous, not mine.

[baikorg]

ever heard of bunker buster bomb? it could blow quite sometime upon impact to assist deeper penetration

[911NeverForget]

but where's the proof they were there that day?

[heafers84]

a bunker buster doesn't explain the fireball upon impact though,

If it was a missile it wouldn't have left an exit hole,

If it was a bunker buster it wouldn't have had such a large initial explosion

so conclusion, no missile

Not to mention out of +100 people who saw the object hit the pentagon, all saw a plane, 8 were pilots and identified as a 757

[digitaleye69]

actually people are admitting some of it and theres evidence here online. if you would have robbed a bank would you have admitted "i did it"? anyway i know what i know and so does a bunch of others first hand. in vietnam our own commanders told us to nate our own line of men. no one back home was told about how much this happend, ne way, corrupt. nuff said by me, though your opinions do have good reason.

[911NeverForget]

"if you would have robbed a bank would you have admitted "i did it"?" it wouldnt be quick, but im sure id admit it.

"in vietnam our own commanders told us to nate our own line of men." interesting as i had a family member serve in Vietnam.

[digitaleye69]

there are drones made to impact and explode well after impact. they are sturdy and made well. capable of impacting a building like above and then exploding at a timer, charge or detonation. these drones are capable of hovering, landing, and being used like a trojan horse from remote locations.

[911NeverForget]

that doesnt mean they were used on 9/11.

[heafers84]

then why were the main fires at the impact and not at the exit, why was there an initial impact explosion

And why did 100+ people positively identify what hit the pentagon as a Plane

[RawVegan0]

Watch with an Open objective mind the videos

LOOSE CHANGE, 911 MYSTERIES, 911 TABOO, SEPTEMBER CLUES

No Plane hit the Pentagon, Its Obvious , why is there No video showing a plane ?

we are talking about a bldg with a very heavy security and video surveilance

[heafers84]

i've watched them all, most of the video at the Pentagon would be no better than the videos already released, most the videos on the building point straight down infront of them, the reason the videos that were released were done so was probably b/c they showed the entire grassy area.

Plus the damage to the pentagon not only to the building but to the outside area, such as the light poles and generator a missile couldn't have caused that damage

/watch?v=YVDdjLQkUV8&feature=c­hannel_page

[digitaleye69]

yes true, see theres goo and bad working in there. bad part is the bad ones got control over it all right now. 9/11 wasnt the beginning, just a part of a big plot. what i dont know but the gov is involved

[911NeverForget]

"the gov is involved" and i, of course, say they werent involved.

[digitaleye69]

not only that but within the gov, theres corrupt people within it, and good. in this case, the bad have the upper deck and holding. 9/11 took years to plan and was possibly a plot since the damn things were made. there are documentaries showing workers installing cable like that of explosives when they first were erected, now no one evers says but giv me break, ethernet didnt exist then.

[911NeverForget]

"there are documentaries showing workers installing cable like that of explosives when they first were erected" just what were these documentaries?

[digitaleye69]

like a kid taking the cookie jar they think they can get away with it. no one will outly admit part bc of being shown public, and accused or held accountable for war crimes. the gov also has its good old boys who will protect those at fault to keep a good nam for the feds, if the people loose trustin there gov, imagine what would happen. fbi,cia, will silence anyone, intimidation etc.many reasons why no one will admit it outly.plus if you were given a piece of cash,youd be quiet too.its likely.

[911NeverForget]

not if theres at least 100- even 1,000,000 (considering some call those who dont support their side shills) people who are in on it. to say not a single one of them seems a little silly. at least one person is likely to admit it. that hasnt happened.

[digitaleye69]

what angers me is ppl who say, how can they do that, the gov cant, it would be illegal? hows that when they make the law. they have money, power, and personnel to do whatever. its sad. corruption. stories about ppl being offloaded in ohio r true. i know one of them ppl. like i say, money talks, and people walk.

[911NeverForget]

"what angers me is ppl who say, how can they do that, the gov cant, it would be illegal?" so you get pissed when people question the truth movement's version of 9/11? interesting.

"hows that when they make the law. they have money, power, and personnel to do whatever." they'd be able to do it, but they must WANT to do it as well.

[digitaleye69]

ppl are too stupid to realize the gov does lie. come on. look at history.

[911NeverForget]

but yet they cant hold a secret for 5+ years now can they?

[digitaleye69]

nope they cant. whether its bc of whistle blowers etc. i think they didnt expect ppl to catch on quick and figure ito ut. this was a job that took years, for all we know some of us were part and didnt even know check out my vid in my profile on 9/11 possibility. its small. but was at groom lake in mid 90s. its sad to know that anything some of us done coulda led up to 9/11.

[911NeverForget]

so if they cant hold a secret why hasnt anyone on the long list of those that were a part of it admit anything yet, and why hasnt anyone found concrete proof of an inside job?

[PYTHAGORAS101]

Please do this for me , IMAGION(EMPHASISED) That you are at a live 9/11 forum , you listen to many experts , professionals ,and witnesses and YOU became a "no planer " (you are convinced without a doubt ) Remember only imagining You now know 9/11 was an inside job . WHAT WOULD YOU DO ? Eg remove your planer videos , promote no planer inside job etc ?

[911NeverForget]

(so you have to separate it from the actual discussion above?)

first off, if i became a "no planer" i wouldnt call people shills for disagreeing with me or perform other truther tactics. its just wrong.

didnt i just answer on what i wouldnt do? you keep asking this question, which is leading me to believe you are just trying to change the subject to get yourself out of a corner.

[PYTHAGORAS101]

You are a compete fool ,

if you think anyone is going to buy your dumb ass theory .

The walls of the pentagon are 3ft thick steel reinforced concrete .

How can the nose of a plane survive 1 wall let alone 6!! .

It is just an aluminium shell for fucks sake .

You are saying the laws of physics don't apply here .

If someone hit a 767s nose with a sledge hammer ,

do you think it would bounce off ?

You are an embarrassment to mankind .

[911NeverForget]

"How can nose of a plane survive 1 wall let alone 6!!" the hole was in the C-Ring, not the E-Ring. it only went through 3 walls, not 6. shows how much you know things.

"You are saying the laws of physics don't apply here." no, you are.

"You are an embarrassment to mankind." thats funny coming from someone who doesnt even know how many rings there are or how many rings were punched. keep in mind that at 600 MPH, its easy for something to puncture through walls....if they arent so fragile.

[PYTHAGORAS101]

Each rung has 2 walls .3*2=6 .A 767s top speed at over 30000 ft is about 550mph , at <700 ft max speed possible is 250mph .Why do you think the millitary uses D U tipped missiles and not giant beer cans ?

[911NeverForget]

proof theres 2 walls?

Flight 77 was a 757, not a 767.

[PYTHAGORAS101]

(proof theres 2 walls? )

Don't you mean

"prove there's 2 walls ?",idiot ?

Each rung is a corridor with walls on each side and spaces in between rungs

Flight 77 didn't exist .

(so who gives a fuck what size its pretended to be )

[911NeverForget]

"Don't you mean

"prove there's 2 walls ?",idiot ?" are you this low to criticize someone's grammar? what i meant to say was "proof THAT theres 2 walls."

"Flight 77 didn't exist .

(so who gives a fuck what size its pretended to be )" the size isnt what you were talking about. you went and diverted the topic to another direction to avoid being backed even further into a corner.

the fact you dont even know that F77 was a 757 just shows how little you know on 9/11.

[PYTHAGORAS101]

I don't normally criticise somebodies grammar ,

but you should be aware that a statement becomes a question when you put a (?) after it .

You have caused confusion and waste of time

because of your stupidity .

In the end you still made a grammar error

its "there's" not "theres"

[911NeverForget]

its called a typo. have you heard of them.

"In the end you still made a grammar error

its "there's" not "theres" " its the freaking internet. grammar like "there's" isnt as big here as if you're taking an English test.

seriously, are you familar with the internet, or are just trying to change the subject even more?

[PYTHAGORAS101]

Putting a (?) at the end of a statement is not a "typo" , it is plain ignorant stupidity .

It is a reflection of you and your videos .

[911NeverForget]

"Putting a (?) at the end of a statement is not a "typo" ," accidentally putting a period, as i did, is a typo.

"it is plain ignorant stupidity ." no, its you being too ignorant with how the internet works.

"It is a reflection of you and your videos ." then why are you here?

[PYTHAGORAS101]

"accidentally putting a period, as i did, is a typo."

You are so dumb , that you don't even know what a "typo " IS . I will point it out to you .

It is short for typographical error .

Putting a period (full stop/dot) at the end of a statement / sentence

is NOT a typo/error ,

it is in fact correct grammar. Cont.....

[911NeverForget]

wrong. you can accidentally put the wrong punctuation mark at the end of a sentence.

sounds like its you who doesnt know what a typo is.

[PYTHAGORAS101]

Cont....

Besides that ,

you said you put a period , when in fact you put a question mark (?)

.LOOK REMEMBER "Proof there is 2 walls?"

Which is incomprehensible as a statement without showing proof

And gibberish as a question .

[911NeverForget]

proof? i was asking if YOU have proof. instead, you ignored it and started attacking my grammar.

[PYTHAGORAS101]

Your question "then why are you here ?

" To me that is a funny question coming from you .

Why don't YOU tell me

( use that analytical  objective mind of yours :)

[911NeverForget]

im here because:

A) to remember the fallen victims of 9/11.

B) to debunk sickening theories.

now, dont ignore it this time. ill ask it again: Why are you here?

[PYTHAGORAS101]

Actualy i was asking , why do you think I am here ,not you .A) I bet you can't remember 1 victim .B)"SICKENING THEORIES,anything that is against the official line . YOU DON'T GIVE A F#$K ABOUT THE TRUTH OR THE VICTIMS .YOU ARE AN IDIOT WHO CARES ONLY WHAT IS IN HIS OWN DICK HEAD .

[911NeverForget]

"Actualy i was asking , why do you think I am here ,not you" how should i know? i cant read one's mind.

"A) I bet you can't remember 1 victim" wrong.

"B)"SICKENING THEORIES,anything that is against the official line ." talking to yourself eh?

"YOU DON'T GIVE A F#$K ABOUT THE TRUTH OR THE VICTIMS .YOU ARE AN IDIOT WHO CARES ONLY WHAT IS IN HIS OWN DICK HEAD ." and the fact that yelling proves nothing except you are quite immature.

[PYTHAGORAS101]

Am i right or am i wrong , a sickening theory to you is

(9/11 = inside job ),

yelling ?

sorry , typed , tired , realised (CAP ON),fuck it .

[911NeverForget]

"Am i right or am i wrong ,

a sickening theory to you is

(9/11 = inside job ),"

you are right. "9/11 = inside job" is a sickening theory to me.

"typed , tired , realised (CAP ON),fuck it ."

one would look at their comment to see the mistake. its quite easy to see a bunch of caps.

[PYTHAGORAS101]

What if you were presented with absolute proof that flight 77 on 9/11/01 did not exist ? Would you make a video about it ? Would you apologise for this one .(in respect for the pentagon victims )

[Bundy133T]

if you can show us a missile with the same shape, size, and wingspan of a 757 which causes engine pieces, seats, and landing gear to be thrown into a building and around it, then maybe. Until then, explain to us how a missile can have all of those things only found on actual aircraft.

[PYTHAGORAS101]

There may have been "A" plane

or/and "A" missile

that hit the pentagon .

My question is ,

what if you were presented with ABSOLUTE proof

that flight 77 did NOT exist .

[911NeverForget]

well first off, id see if it IS truly absolute.

secondly, id know that just because one plane didnt exist, doesnt mean that all of 9/11 was an inside job.

finally, i wouldnt apologize simply because i had no clue about it. you're treating me as if i planned 9/11 myself, which isnt the case.

[PYTHAGORAS101]

There may have been "A" plane

or/and "A" missile

that hit the pentagon .

My question is ,

what if you were presented with ABSOLUTE proof

that flight 77 did NOT exist ?

I you know certain facts reg. the crime of 9/11 and persist in telling lies , then you are complicit in that crime

It means you are involved in the cover up of a mass murder

If flight 77 didn't exist then it could ONLY mean

INSIDE JOB

[911NeverForget]

"My question is ,

what if you were presented with ABSOLUTE proof

that flight 77 did NOT exist ?" already answered it.

"It means you are involved in the cover up of a mass murder

If flight 77 didn't exist then it could ONLY mean

INSIDE JOB" no it doesnt if none of you can even prove it, which ive yet to see happen.

oh, and the nonexistance of one plane doesnt mean that theres something fishy with EVERYTHING else.

[911NeverForget]

"Each rung is a corridor with walls on each side and spaces in between rungs" i said "proof," not an explaination.

[911MmRy]

the rings don't start till the 2nd floor and flight 77 crashed through the first;)

it only had to penetrate the outer wall and the hole at the AE drive was caused by the fireball which traveled so far because of the kinetic energy

tinyurl . com / j99um

if u wanna research more on that particular thing

[911DebunkingPro]

911 NeverForget "It is easy to find MISSLES THAT DO NOT EXPLODE; they will penetrate MANY feet of earth and THEN explode." Let me debunk, lie then insult you. The problem with your claim is that there WAS an explosion that occured in the C-Ring. Witnesses at the hotel talk about seeing this missle hit the pentagon. I am such a looser to lie like this, I'm a pathtic lying debunking ass. How about YOU prosecute me for aiding murderers, and not tell me to YT one vid out of millions of others.

[911NeverForget]

you have now convinced me with your recent comments that you're likely to be Finklestein.

you distorting my claims, then posting the same shit that Finkle has posted.

[hypnotstcollector]

It is easy to find MISSLES THAT DO NOT EXPLODE; they will penetrate MANY feet of earth and THEN explode. RIGHT HERE on UTUBE>ck it out. I have seen missles go to a location,stop. i mean, stop. they use little retro rockets.. OK? then that missles goes over some feet and explodes. missles can do ALL SORTS OF THINGS> including the pentagon. and remember,"we" make it look like we want,it is "our" missle. missle in a missle?utube it.

[911NeverForget]

"It is easy to find MISSLES THAT DO NOT EXPLODE; they will penetrate MANY feet of earth and THEN explode." the problem with your claim is that there was never an explosion that occured in the C-Ring. did witnesses talk about seeing this BIG fireball further away from the impact zone? no.

how about YOU give me a video, and not tell me to YT one vid out of millions of others.

[hypnotstcollector]

well, i tell u what: i have 9 videos. 1-6 are 14/24 hrs. 7-9 are 12hrs(?) and go to 9-13. you can have have 9 dvds,fresno..i spent over $300 just to make a few copies of these. there is some good stuff. no damn plane puches holes in the P' or any other bld. I have been looking at 'exit holes' for 2nd hit. i use to think there was one.now not so sure. u have an opinion?have index w/ my tapes,also.

[911NeverForget]

"no damn plane puches holes in the P' or any other bld." thats a pretty low claim considering NO plane has even hit it prior to 9/11.

so, truther logic is now: never happened = cant happened? not shocked or suprised.

[Beauchard]

The images really speak for themselves as do the videos, but feel free to believe whatever you like.

[911NeverForget]

yes there is. theres witnesses. theres wing markings...

[WillfullyIgnorant]

Alright, seeing blue certainly doesnt mean it was F77 and I CANNOT dismiss the sites i linked you pointing to fakery.

[911NeverForget]

"seeing blue certainly doesnt mean it was F77"

yes, but it does mean that it could be an American Airlines plane. F77 was an American Airlines plane.

"I CANNOT dismiss the sites i linked you pointing to fakery."

well, you think i expect you to dismiss them anyway?

[WillfullyIgnorant]

Heres another site..

911review(DOT)org/brad(DOT)com­/CCTV_gate(DOT)html

This one was quite interesting. Im sure you can find more.

[911NeverForget]

funny, i was JUST on that site looking for the Citgo pentagon video.

speaking of Pentagon videos, that clearer version of the video is uploaded.

[WillfullyIgnorant]

"really? just that one link? you need more proof than that... "

Im sure other websites would show/say the exact same things, I thought that evidence was pretty damning....I can look though.

Did you read the whole page..?

[911NeverForget]

yes, i read the whole page. (i even have its sister site in my favorites ONLY for the videos you can download...nothing else.

[WillfullyIgnorant]

"theres a somewhat clearer version thats also out"

link please?

911research(DOT)wtc7(DOT)net/m­irrors/guardian2/pentagon/expl­osion(DOT)htm

Not lookin too good.

[911NeverForget]

"link please?"

i know where i can find the video and upload it. just wait a few days, and ill post it.

"Not lookin too good."

really? just that one link? you need more proof than that...

[WillfullyIgnorant]

"well, look at the Pentagon security video"

The video really shows nothing and could easily have been manipulated like the Citgo video. View this thread..

abovetopsecret(DOT)com/forum/t­hread299746/pg1

..Federal Crime..

[911NeverForget]

"The video really shows nothing..."

actually, it does. theres a somewhat clearer version thats also out. with that, you can see the planes blue paint, tail, and the smoke trail due to its speed.

"and could easily have been manipulated like the Citgo video."

proof?

[WillfullyIgnorant]

Well all 4 or 5 them describe a WHITE plane, they dont remember any markings on the tail except for some numbers. These people had excellent views, especially the man at the golf course.

"majority of witnesses saw a A.A plane."

please see this thread abovetopsecret(DOT)com/forum/t­hread286109/pg1

[911NeverForget]

well, look at the Pentagon security video. it looks like a white one, but only because of the frame-by-frame movement and the plane's 600MPH speed.

the speed probably had an effect on the way those witnesses saw the plane.

[WillfullyIgnorant]

Actually some people saw a smaller plane and some saw a WHITE plane..

Please watch this video...

video(DOT)google(DOT)ca/videop­lay?docid=2604879952877158021&­q=the+white+plane&total=885&st­art=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&­plindex=0

[911NeverForget]

thats only "some" of them though. the majority of witnesses saw a A.A plane.

[WillfullyIgnorant]

"only a good eye can see the markings from where the wings hit."

shouldnt the damage from the wings be pretty obvious??

I also said i have seen no parts of the wings, but have seen an engine. I wasnt talking about the damage they've caused.

[911NeverForget]

"...pretty obvious??" not really. like i said, with the wings being so fragile, they'll just leave small markings. also keep in mind that the amount of smoke blocks most of the building.

"...they've caused." i know, but you said that you cant "see the wings," implying that there's no evidence of them. thats why i talked about the wing damage, because there IS evidence of the wings...small evidence though.

[radicalfaces]

Read both VERY carefully.

[radicalfaces]

Actually, the engine could have come from another plane, i posted these a month or 2 ago

cassiopaea(DOT)org/cass/boeing­(DOT)htm

AND

sott(DOT)net/signs/Above_Top_S­ecret_article(DOT)htm

[911NeverForget]

yet, all the security cameras, (even though they're blurry), and witness reports clearly show evidence of a American Airlines plane hitting the Pentagon. ATC stories clearly talk about Flight 77, although brief confusion occured in which F77 was actually F11. that was short though, and even A.A confirmed the loss of the plane at 11:16AM on 9/11. (yes, this DID happen. as for a source? im looking for it.)

[WillfullyIgnorant]

So seeing part of an engine and NOT seeing any part of the wings wouldn't that mean..

the wings are more fragile????

[911NeverForget]

there IS wing damage on the Pentagon, but its hard to see. only a good eye can see the markings from where the wings hit.

[WillfullyIgnorant]

Well look, I didn't see any pics of the wings(I dont think). I did see a part of the engine, that did not necessarily resemble the engine from a boeing 757, it could have come from a number of different aircraft.

[911NeverForget]

well, you dont know that. the ONLY plane that was wrecked that day on the Pentagon was F77. i dont see it being another plane...

[WillfullyIgnorant]

Keep looking then.

[911NeverForget]

thats what ive been trying to do...

[WillfullyIgnorant]

"if theres not much evidence of the wings, and not much evidence of the engines, then they're fragile."

Certainly not as fragile as the wings though.

[911NeverForget]

not true.

[WillfullyIgnorant]

"actually, the engines are JUST as fragile as the wings."

You have not proved this.

[911NeverForget]

yes i have. i gave you links. im just having difficulty finding a good one...

[WillfullyIgnorant]

Although those people are both full of shit, unless there was a second plane. Have you seen the Pentacon? I'd also recommend you go to abovetopsecret(DOT)com and visit the Pentacon section.

[WillfullyIgnorant]

How does that prove the wings are as fragile as the engines?

[911NeverForget]

if theres not much evidence of the wings, and not much evidence of the engines, then they're fragile.

[WillfullyIgnorant]

could you name a few and provide a link?

[911NeverForget]

vialls(DOT)com/pentagon/pentag­on(DOT)html

(he states: "very wide and FRAGILE wings"

prisonplanet(DOT)com/articles/­august2004/110804factsstraight­(DOT)htm

(except from article: "He saw the right engine take out the chain-link fence and posts surrounding the generator. The left engine, he said, 'struck an external steam vault before the fuselage entered the building.' " they also state that the nose is fragile.)

[WillfullyIgnorant]

"actually, the engines are just as fragile as the wings."

where did you read that???

[911NeverForget]

many science experts agree with this. many debunkers, including me, agree with this.

as far as i know, the only ones who dont agree with this are CTists.

[WillfullyIgnorant]

The 6 ton engines are not fragile. They should have caused a considerable amount of damage.

[911NeverForget]

actually, the engines are just as fragile as the wings.

(besides, the simulation is just to show the outer plane debris. theres other simulations, like the F11 Purdue simulation, that dont include the engine.)

[WillfullyIgnorant]

there arnt any engines in the animation

[911NeverForget]

thats because the engines are fragile, and were literally destroyed.

[CPAtrains]

There is one video that was released of a plane impacting the Pentagon. once the video was analyzed you can clearly see a Siluatte of a small plane defiantly not a 757. there are also images of fire man inside the hole standing next to a jet engine. the engine was only up to his knee in circumference also someone took the serial numbers from the engine and it did not trace back to a 757. anyone can shed more light on this.

[911NeverForget]

its likely an illusion. there are two others: one for sure, and one thats unsure...

1)any clips of F175s apporach to the WTC shows it heading straight. this MIGHT be an illusion.

2)this illusion is definitely known. any clip showing the top floors of the North Tower shows the radio tower falling before the rest of the building falls.

[leog20]

What keeps you from thinking a missle was designed to puncture and only detonate a small charge to emulate a gas explosion? Do not think for one second that this is beyond science and possibilities.  Where are the engines and the large wings and tail section? CAN SOMEONE PLEASE POST A PIC SHOWING OBVIOUS DEBRIS FROM THE ACTUAL 757 INSTEAD OF JUST SHOWING PAINTED SCRAP METAL!!!!

[911NeverForget]

"Where are the engines and the large wings and tail section?"

those are the most fragile parts of a plane. they were turned into tiny pieces.

you can EASILY search google and find pictures of debris. they're everywhere.

[CPAtrains]

Thats what I don't understand, people will believe anything the government will tell them. All we ask for is for a proper independent investigation which was never done or allowed to be done, the area was cleaned up and covered up by sand in a couple of days.

[911NeverForget]

there was an investigation, but even another one would make CTists just ignore it and call it BS.

[lewisdream]

insjode job lol the thought of a plane managing to do that lmao

[911NeverForget]

care to back that up with evidence?

[themightysprinvvater]

Also for your consideration, The video shows plane wings entering the building, that never happened. According to the official accout they vaporized. Nice video however. Also consider that that ring was "under some sort of construction." And an employee familiar with explosives described smelling cordite, and knew a bomb went off.

[911NeverForget]

"The video shows plane wings entering the building, that never happened"

im not focusing on the wings. its simply to show how the nose couldve made it through 3 rings.

"to the official accout they vaporized."

the right wing was also torn off.

"Also consider that that ring was "under some sort of construction." And an employee familiar with explosives described smelling cordite, and knew a bomb went off."

proof?

[leog20]

Does anyone even have a clue as to what amount of energy it takes to VAPORIZE something as large as 757 wings? I would guess that you would have to be going faster than 600mph!!!! C'MON PEOPLE WAKE THE "F" UP!!!!!!

[911NeverForget]

you also forgot the 1500 degree fires.

[atecom]

How does an explosives expert assume a bomb went off after smelling cordite, when he would know that cordite is used for propellant of rockets, not in explosives of bombs.

[leog20]

AND HOW ARE GUIDED BOMBS PROPELLED GENIUS???? THINK ABOUT THAT ONE.... nice try though....

[themightysprinvvater]

I say the hole was cut by a sawzall/ or a bomb, in the first case they then exploded a bomb inside to make it look real, then hit the outer wall with a missle. the last thing they did was blow the supports that brought the roof doown. Truthers versus the lyers '08

[DkEugen]

why not just fly a plane into it?

[themightysprinvvater]

the best air defense system in the world is right there, only with inside help could you fly a plane into it, also, i think a guided missle could be steered right into the spot where lets say people are discussing the recent rigged election, or enemies of the asssailants. Not to mention that if there was a real plane, there would be parts, evidence, and possibly a reluctant volunteer pilot.

[mdg472003]

There are missile sites in place around the Pentagon now, but there were no air defenses in 2001. The Pentagon lies close to several commercial air routes into DC, so there was never an automatic shoot-down order for aircraft in the area. There was also identifiable wreckage from the plane all over the place. And no, the damage is not consistent with a missile.

[911NeverForget]

agreed.

[themightysprinvvater]

well, you may blieve what you like, but i don't believe that titanium engines will vaporize, while the dna of almost all of the victims was collected. didi you read the new news of actual thermite being discovered at the wtc's btw?