With your understanding of Post Modernism and you are probably familiar with Progressives such as John Dewey, etc, who had tremendous influence on curricula, I think you would really be interested in reading the Underground History of American Education by Gato. It is as eye-opening as The Closing of the American Mind by Bloom and also researched....although a little disorganized it is fun to read. I have worked in the schools for decades and find his reasoning extremely sound.
Look, I am not a teacher, I do not wish to be. I know nothing, but the way I was raised I think work very well: The School calls the parents, they tell what happened, and the parents punish them accordingly. If it was a very bad thing, mama or papa can give me one or two slaps at the bottom. At least, back in my time, it worked for me.
I have many Christian friends who share the belief that if you don't punish people your need for order and safety will go unmet and the world will spin out of control. My concern with this strategy is that there is a risk that what the child will learn is that it is okay to use violence as a way of resolving conflict.
"The compassionate classroom" offers a different educational strategy which I highly recommend. Cheers.
" if you don't punish people your need for order and safety will go unmet "
That is Freudian nonsense crap.
As Charles Murray has said, if education is to return to American classrooms, ridicule and shame must again become part of the curriculum. (He said that in a BookTV speech which is somewhere in my favorites, and based on my experiences, I agree.)
Ok I know I usally have unrelated comments, but Freud is a lot like Aristotle. They were both wrong on many things because they wrote so much on so many things. Back to topic taking away rewards seems like a better way. If someone told me like directly "you need to be punished go to time out" I just get mad at them. XD
In this video you said that you have to punish kids which implies that there are no other choices, and if there are no other choices then you are not responsible for the choice that you have made. What I was trying to point out is that there are other choices. Now let's take a look at this plea to authority.
"ridicule and shame must again become part of the curriculum." Charles Murray.
"My concern with this strategy is that there is a risk that what the child will learn is that it is okay to use violence as a way of resolving conflict."
But that's a good thing. Violence is the best way to resolve conflict.
What an interesting belief. I would love to to better understand what it is about violence that makes it the best way of resolving conflicts for you. If you are willing to share please do, if not, thanks for the thought.
I remember when I was at school you got a merit card, if you had 50 merits you got various gifts and privileges, but if you got 50 demerits, oh dear! Suffice to say those with 50 demerits would not seem to have much interest in sitting down, if you know what I mean.
Forced education is bull shit . You dont need to steal from someone because they do something you dont like. If kids want to participate let them , if they dont let them leave, if you dont want them there, tell them to leave your property. :( lol
It's not force to act for the benefit of a child's interest when the child isn't yet capable of realising it's in their interest.
We know that it's in a person's interest to find something productive to be passionate about, be it mathematics, dance, whatever. You can't wait for a child to realise that, that would be destructive. You have to guide (with minimum force, but likely still with some) a child to become aware of these options, starting with those options that are fundamental.
It's a grey area when a child can be said to be qualified to be able to make some and later all of their own education choices. It's certainly an empowering for the child to hand over decision making as soon as a child is qualified but destructive if done before.
Mainstream education is infantilizing in part because it continues to force decisions long after a child is qualified to choose for themself, but morally speaking, no child's education can be guaranteed to be without force.
"if you dont want them there, tell them to leave your property. :( lol"
I have more respect for children than you. I know and understand that they lack education and knowledge. You apparently don't care. Well, that is cold-blooded and cruel. It is a good thing that I am the one opening a school.
First of all yes, you probably do have more respect for them. I dont respect people ive never met lulz. I also know they lack education and knowledge, i simply think its better to let them decide what knowledge and what kind of an education to pursue. I dont have respect for children, but i have great faith in human narue. Children (And all people) will natrually pursue that which intrests them. And while i certainly do think its good for them to get exposed to many different kinds of things Im
hmmm , well I answered this question already lol. Human nature, they are naturally curious.Also, people will obviously become more kowlegeable with age no matter what they do.
Btw, that thing about faith was either A. proof your insane or B. An accidental lie.
Everything you know is based of faith. Faith in your senses , faith in your peers, faith in your news shows , ect ect ect.
not of the opinion that just because i want something means i can you force to get it, that was something that I learned as a child lol. Besides, children are natrually surios , they dont need to be forced. I found my main intrests by searching around on my own , others can do the same.
"children are natrually surios , they dont need to be forced."
you've clearly never been a teacher. My experience opening my own school contradicts your assertion. I constantly had to convince or coerce kids to listen to things they later came to LOVE. You would deprive them of these valuable lessons. Shame.
lol , they came to love it LATER , you have no idea if they would have naturally gravitated twords it. And much more importantly you dont know they woudnt have found something even better . Nor do you know how the kids would respond to it if they werent forced to be in school in the first place . (people tend to react negatively when they are forced to do things) This whole thing is based on a bunch of wild assumptions .
With your understanding of Post Modernism and you are probably familiar with Progressives such as John Dewey, etc, who had tremendous influence on curricula, I think you would really be interested in reading the Underground History of American Education by Gato. It is as eye-opening as The Closing of the American Mind by Bloom and also researched....although a little disorganized it is fun to read. I have worked in the schools for decades and find his reasoning extremely sound.
5susankfive 1 year ago
Look, I am not a teacher, I do not wish to be. I know nothing, but the way I was raised I think work very well: The School calls the parents, they tell what happened, and the parents punish them accordingly. If it was a very bad thing, mama or papa can give me one or two slaps at the bottom. At least, back in my time, it worked for me.
alonelychild 2 years ago
I have many Christian friends who share the belief that if you don't punish people your need for order and safety will go unmet and the world will spin out of control. My concern with this strategy is that there is a risk that what the child will learn is that it is okay to use violence as a way of resolving conflict.
"The compassionate classroom" offers a different educational strategy which I highly recommend. Cheers.
NLPNVC 2 years ago
" if you don't punish people your need for order and safety will go unmet "
That is Freudian nonsense crap.
As Charles Murray has said, if education is to return to American classrooms, ridicule and shame must again become part of the curriculum. (He said that in a BookTV speech which is somewhere in my favorites, and based on my experiences, I agree.)
MrCropper 2 years ago
Ok I know I usally have unrelated comments, but Freud is a lot like Aristotle. They were both wrong on many things because they wrote so much on so many things. Back to topic taking away rewards seems like a better way. If someone told me like directly "you need to be punished go to time out" I just get mad at them. XD
FoxHatesMe 2 years ago
"That is Freudian nonsense crap."
In this video you said that you have to punish kids which implies that there are no other choices, and if there are no other choices then you are not responsible for the choice that you have made. What I was trying to point out is that there are other choices. Now let's take a look at this plea to authority.
"ridicule and shame must again become part of the curriculum." Charles Murray.
This is another Christian belief. Enough said.
NLPNVC 2 years ago
"My concern with this strategy is that there is a risk that what the child will learn is that it is okay to use violence as a way of resolving conflict."
But that's a good thing. Violence is the best way to resolve conflict.
soitoldhimno 2 years ago
"Violence is the best way to resolve conflict."
What an interesting belief. I would love to to better understand what it is about violence that makes it the best way of resolving conflicts for you. If you are willing to share please do, if not, thanks for the thought.
NLPNVC 2 years ago
I remember when I was at school you got a merit card, if you had 50 merits you got various gifts and privileges, but if you got 50 demerits, oh dear! Suffice to say those with 50 demerits would not seem to have much interest in sitting down, if you know what I mean.
coltrane1966 2 years ago
Forced education is bull shit . You dont need to steal from someone because they do something you dont like. If kids want to participate let them , if they dont let them leave, if you dont want them there, tell them to leave your property. :( lol
spawk1993 2 years ago
in real life if you do something bad the government will fine you
905rocks 2 years ago
It's not force to act for the benefit of a child's interest when the child isn't yet capable of realising it's in their interest.
We know that it's in a person's interest to find something productive to be passionate about, be it mathematics, dance, whatever. You can't wait for a child to realise that, that would be destructive. You have to guide (with minimum force, but likely still with some) a child to become aware of these options, starting with those options that are fundamental.
stacycurl 2 years ago
It's a grey area when a child can be said to be qualified to be able to make some and later all of their own education choices. It's certainly an empowering for the child to hand over decision making as soon as a child is qualified but destructive if done before.
Mainstream education is infantilizing in part because it continues to force decisions long after a child is qualified to choose for themself, but morally speaking, no child's education can be guaranteed to be without force.
stacycurl 2 years ago
"if you dont want them there, tell them to leave your property. :( lol"
I have more respect for children than you. I know and understand that they lack education and knowledge. You apparently don't care. Well, that is cold-blooded and cruel. It is a good thing that I am the one opening a school.
MrCropper 2 years ago
First of all yes, you probably do have more respect for them. I dont respect people ive never met lulz. I also know they lack education and knowledge, i simply think its better to let them decide what knowledge and what kind of an education to pursue. I dont have respect for children, but i have great faith in human narue. Children (And all people) will natrually pursue that which intrests them. And while i certainly do think its good for them to get exposed to many different kinds of things Im
spawk1993 2 years ago
" i simply think its better to let them decide what knowledge and what kind of an education to pursue."
How do they decide this without knowledge and education?
Btw, I don't respect people who 'have faith'. In fact, I despise them.
MrCropper 2 years ago
hmmm , well I answered this question already lol. Human nature, they are naturally curious.Also, people will obviously become more kowlegeable with age no matter what they do.
Btw, that thing about faith was either A. proof your insane or B. An accidental lie.
Everything you know is based of faith. Faith in your senses , faith in your peers, faith in your news shows , ect ect ect.
spawk1993 2 years ago
not of the opinion that just because i want something means i can you force to get it, that was something that I learned as a child lol. Besides, children are natrually surios , they dont need to be forced. I found my main intrests by searching around on my own , others can do the same.
spawk1993 2 years ago
"children are natrually surios , they dont need to be forced."
you've clearly never been a teacher. My experience opening my own school contradicts your assertion. I constantly had to convince or coerce kids to listen to things they later came to LOVE. You would deprive them of these valuable lessons. Shame.
MrCropper 2 years ago
lol , they came to love it LATER , you have no idea if they would have naturally gravitated twords it. And much more importantly you dont know they woudnt have found something even better . Nor do you know how the kids would respond to it if they werent forced to be in school in the first place . (people tend to react negatively when they are forced to do things) This whole thing is based on a bunch of wild assumptions .
spawk1993 2 years ago