My God, is not your god. Your god, is not my god. God is, what? To those that believe, itis the rightious path. Those that do not believe. It is a mockery. Leave the room, if you are offended by the ceremony. Stay, if it speaks to your spirit. But. Do not Barsterdise another human being, for the way in which, the gospel is recieved.
@harrythedog3 Lunatic westerners of whatever faith who, for example, drag homosexuals for miles behind a truck or shoot up an interracial wedding or burn copies of some other faith's holy books make the news more often than moderate westerners. Same thing in Islamic countries.
spike was being ironic.. he was sending up that kind of racist attitude the same way as Warren Mitchell did as Alf Garnett...He was born in India as his father was a serving soldier there and fought in the second world war in the royal artillery, he was mentioned in dispatches which only happened if u did something really brave.. He was a musician a poet a writer and a fucking genius.. we'll never see his lik again...
It's about time the idea of PC/not-PC actually moved on to the point where everyone accepts that it's not "the words" that are racist but *the intent* and those who think people like Spike or a show like "'Till death us do part" are racist in a negative sense really need to both take some intelligence pills and apply some common sense. (I'm not saying that Alf Garnett wasn't racist, just that the show wasn't). This type of humour is anti-racist if anything - it's ridiculing true racism.
@MakinMagicFractals well said , alf garnett was written to show the world how stupid people like him really are . the actor was jewish for gods sake . people are so stupid . rip spike
@MakinMagicFractals i totaly agree with you and in fact in my opinion all these laws and PC gestapo agents who give every one a hard time on this matter case us to actualy become more racist at some points
Most people that complain about this aren't from ethnic backgrounds anyway. We all joke about each others differences white, black, ginger or Welsh! In fact when I was a kid we ripped on anyone who didn't live in our street. There was an Indian family and Jamaican family they were cool cos they lived in our road. Take a cross section of Bernard Mannings audienece all nationalities went to see him and he was more racist than Spike.Beranard said if it's funny,it's funny we all laugh at eachother.
It's not the words that matter - it's the way they're used. That's why PC so often has reverse effects. Enoch Powell made one of the vilest speeches of the last century with never an un-PC word. Would we prefer to hear a kid say "My best mate's a wog" or "Asian scum out"?
I remember Spike's appearance on 'The Late Show with Gay Byrne' about 15 years ago and he was talking about finally getting British citizenship or a British passport. He was told to queue up at the appropriate administrative building, as he put it: "...with all the Pakis..." I stopped listening to him after that. He always came over as aggressive and quite bitter in interviews. Great writer but a somewhat unpleasant human being, from what I can gather.
I think the point is, we should all come together as one to mock the insanity of multiculturalism and realise that Islam co exists with Secular British values about as well as a rhino being penned up with a goat.
@SethHesio None of the Muslims I know would agree with you - in fact our Mayor was a Muslim from Pakistan. Intolerance and stupidity such as yours is the real problem.
@MakinMagicFractals What is the Muslim rule on homosexuals? Also, if a young man or woman decides through their own volition to leave the Muslim faith. What would be the typical reaction of their family/ community?
@MakinMagicFractals As a faith, Islam is taken far more seriously by more of its followers than say Christianity. Christianity has become moderate over time. You do get a small population that take its rules literally and are extremely devout, but they are in the minority, the same way that Militant Islamists who use violence are very much in the minority in Islam. Islam in general is far far less moderate than Christianity. It's not moderate, and it's politically active. It should be challenged
@SethHesio I have no argument there, any creed/religion etc. that violates basic human rights should be challenged but that shouldn't stop us living together as best we can in the meantime.
@MakinMagicFractals Question, though: where do "basic human rights" come from? According to the Declaration of Independence of the United States (to name only one item) they come from God.
More involved question: what exactly are those "rights" and how do we know?
No atheist can answer this, since by their lights the whole of creation is a mistake, and we're just cogs in a vast, uncaring machine.
@MaskedMan66 They come from the common consensus of humans, including those guided by a mistaken belief in a deity or deities - there is no such thing as "God" (at least not in the sense you mean). Also there is no such thing as "Creation", there is just existence and existence has always been and always will be....simples.
@MakinMagicFractals Show me a "common consensus of humans" and I'll show you a purple kitten. Humans are notorious for disagreeing with each other, even within a group.
How do you figure a belief in God to be "mistaken" or God Himself to be nonexistent? Awfully absolutist talk from you there.
By the way, I don't "mean" anything by God; what I know about Him is what He's let us all know.
You are right (in a sense) about existence being eternal; God is existence. But this universe is temporal.
@MaskedMan66 How about 1. Christianity, 2. Islam 3. Buddhism ..... need I go on - that's common consensus within groups and as you *should* know there are common beliefs within all of them.
Non-religious consensus - 1. Decisions made by the UN 2. The Bill of Human Rights itself 3. The Geneva Convention 4. The Magna Carta
@MakinMagicFractals Christianity comes from God, and is based on an event that happened; in other words, on something objective and not invented by humans. Some believe, some don't, but neither the belief nor the unbelief affects its reality.
As for your second list, I very much doubt any of them satisfied all present.
In any case, you still haven't answered the question of where rights come from. And incidentally, according to the Magna Carta, those rights come from God.
@blobby1972 oh my boody god, religion get dragged inti it again. Listen to the great northern prophet, Eckwhite, whose answer is similar to the great American prophet, Alfred E. Nueman. "What me worry". listen to the vibe, hold it to your heart and ignore it as all other prophets have been ignored and proved to useless tarts................
@MaskedMan66 Since God is an invention of humans.......
And human development producing "civilisation" where we have laws etc. simply comes from the evolution of humans which involves the ability to think for yourself - you might try doing that instead of pretending that a human invention (God) is "real".
@MakinMagicFractals No human would invent God. They'd invent gods, to be sure, but you can tell the manmade gods by the fact that they're no better than we are. Zeus is a womanizer, Thor is a drunkard, Isis and Osiris are an incestuous couple, etc. But God Himself is the sort of God no human would ever invent, because He's better than we are, and the human mind will not countenance that.
@MaskedMan66 You've clearly never read The Bible. "I am a jealous God". The Old Testament God who has his own tent, can be heard walking, who tricks his closest followers into betraying him so he can destroy him. The God who orders his followers to rape the women and slaughter the animals and children of defeated peoples. It's all in there.
@MaskedMan66 What complete and utter b*ll*cks ! The idea of both Gods *and* God were created simply to help control an uneducated population *and* because they give some sort of answer to "the eternal question" (answer 42).
@MaskedMan66 On reflection I should have said that Man came up with *the idea of God* i.e. created the idea rather than the actuality - since I don't believe in God but accept that anything that can neither be proved or disproved is in fact possible then if God (as in Man's idea of God) really does exist then I'd accept that God wasn't necessarily created by Man in that sense. With respect to God and religion I basically have no real problem until people start treating "belief" as "fact"
@MaskedMan66 "You are right (in a sense) about existence being eternal; God is existence. But this universe is temporal."
Yes the *known* Universe is temporal but just because there may be more than what we know doesn't confirm (or deny) the existence of God it merely means *we aren't Gods* !!
@MaskedMan66 "since by their lights the whole of creation is a mistake, and we're just cogs in a vast, uncaring machine."
I don't know anyone who thinks Creation was a mistake, but since I don't believe in "Creation" the point is moot anyway. As for "cogs in a vast uncaring machine" I agree, science alone points to determinism, however I believe there is more to it than that such that "free will* is *not* just an illusion (e.g. me writing this) but that doesn't need a God.
@MakinMagicFractals On a different note, I'm a huge fan of fractals. They're unbelievably fascinating, and beautiful. It's a shame that they're probably too complicated for most mathematicians to comprehend, hence the high rate of madness in people who study them! Still a very interesting and beautiful phenomena though.
@SethHesio :) My period of insanity was a good 10 years prior to getting into fractals !
Basically they're simple, it's only when visualising fractal math in "normal" mathematical terms that things get complicated.
As for Fractal Art as opposed to Fractal Math or Programming, that only needs the bare minimum of maths knowledge, it's about knowing how to use the tools properly in the same way that you don't need to know much about 3 dimensional coordinate geometry to use say 3D Studio etc.
@MakinMagicFractals - ah "your" brain might be able to hold a lot of information but can you come up with new ideas that will change the world for good!!
@sainglain My "big" idea is simply for all to be more tolerant of others and to do more to promote mutual understanding - obviously that's not "new" ! The root of this is better education for *all* - most important as far as "first world" countries is concerned is to ensure that even the least intelligent and least academically inclined still get educated to their maximum potential, *all* education systems are failing miserably at this (as compared to educating the most intelligent/academic).
@ryko26 As racist terms go wogs isn't so bad... you have to see racism as a gradual acceptance, it can't all happen at once, people of that generation continued to use words like wogs, or spics or wops, or nig nogs or whatever, and I'm sure the racially different accepted that they those words were just a carry over from before. The point is that the blacks, Indians, were physically accepted. Change can't happen all at once if you get what I'm saying. Hope this makes sense.
Not so sure. Review of Norma Farnes book on Spike.
The same lack of comic judgment governed his more questionable television projects, The Melting Pot, a mid-Seventies sitcom that featured himself and John Bird as two Pakistani illegal immigrants arriving in an England overrun by foreigners. The show, of which a pilot episode was actually broadcast, reflected Milligan's view that, as Farnes puts it, 'uncontrolled immigration would dilute the culture of the English'.
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The irony is that what was just a TV sit-com in the mid-70s is now the reality! One need only visit places like Bradford, Leicester, Blackburn, Birmingham or London to see the evidence. The purpose of New Labour's deliberate policy of uncontrolled mass immigration after 1997 was precisely to dilute, undermine and replace the existing native English culture - and they have almost succeeded in that aim. Nowadays the only racism one is likely to hear on the media is aimed at native whites.
@lausanne67 But native English culture is full of chavs, gamblers and pisshead football hooligans. It's a sack of shite. Get over your idea that you're a descendent of the great conquering British empire and find some value in yourself as a person instead of riding racist coattails.
@RandomnessUK So says the hypocrite who reduces English culture and people to being no more than "full of chavs, gamblers and pisshead football hooligans"
@lausanne67 White isn't a race. It's a skin tone. An attribute, like hair or eye colour. And 'English culture' is a mix of the various races that came here over the centuries: Irish, Roman, French etc
This is really great, I've been a long time admirer of Spike and it's interesting to hear him speak so frankly about a subject which is clearly difficult to him. Have you got anymore of the interview?
words of wisdom from a beautifull being im humbled to hear his words from the passing of time, theses words are still wise
5554132 3 months ago 2
So true Spike, what a guy. RIP mate, one of the good ones went with your passing.
mmartini50 3 months ago 2
My God, is not your god. Your god, is not my god. God is, what? To those that believe, itis the rightious path. Those that do not believe. It is a mockery. Leave the room, if you are offended by the ceremony. Stay, if it speaks to your spirit. But. Do not Barsterdise another human being, for the way in which, the gospel is recieved.
TheMrgaztop 4 months ago
A man much ahead of his time
sarabower1 5 months ago
@harrythedog3 Lunatic westerners of whatever faith who, for example, drag homosexuals for miles behind a truck or shoot up an interracial wedding or burn copies of some other faith's holy books make the news more often than moderate westerners. Same thing in Islamic countries.
vonFelsenheim 8 months ago
spike was being ironic.. he was sending up that kind of racist attitude the same way as Warren Mitchell did as Alf Garnett...He was born in India as his father was a serving soldier there and fought in the second world war in the royal artillery, he was mentioned in dispatches which only happened if u did something really brave.. He was a musician a poet a writer and a fucking genius.. we'll never see his lik again...
mojaroar 9 months ago 3
It's about time the idea of PC/not-PC actually moved on to the point where everyone accepts that it's not "the words" that are racist but *the intent* and those who think people like Spike or a show like "'Till death us do part" are racist in a negative sense really need to both take some intelligence pills and apply some common sense. (I'm not saying that Alf Garnett wasn't racist, just that the show wasn't). This type of humour is anti-racist if anything - it's ridiculing true racism.
MakinMagicFractals 9 months ago 20
@MakinMagicFractals well said , alf garnett was written to show the world how stupid people like him really are . the actor was jewish for gods sake . people are so stupid . rip spike
dave2806 8 months ago
@MakinMagicFractals Very well said.
VisFatur 8 months ago
@MakinMagicFractals i totaly agree with you and in fact in my opinion all these laws and PC gestapo agents who give every one a hard time on this matter case us to actualy become more racist at some points
alonmerlin 8 months ago
Most people that complain about this aren't from ethnic backgrounds anyway. We all joke about each others differences white, black, ginger or Welsh! In fact when I was a kid we ripped on anyone who didn't live in our street. There was an Indian family and Jamaican family they were cool cos they lived in our road. Take a cross section of Bernard Mannings audienece all nationalities went to see him and he was more racist than Spike.Beranard said if it's funny,it's funny we all laugh at eachother.
HrhFish 9 months ago
It's not the words that matter - it's the way they're used. That's why PC so often has reverse effects. Enoch Powell made one of the vilest speeches of the last century with never an un-PC word. Would we prefer to hear a kid say "My best mate's a wog" or "Asian scum out"?
Saiaton 10 months ago
I remember Spike's appearance on 'The Late Show with Gay Byrne' about 15 years ago and he was talking about finally getting British citizenship or a British passport. He was told to queue up at the appropriate administrative building, as he put it: "...with all the Pakis..." I stopped listening to him after that. He always came over as aggressive and quite bitter in interviews. Great writer but a somewhat unpleasant human being, from what I can gather.
aerialkate 11 months ago
can i just say...
nickmollee 1 year ago
I think the point is, we should all come together as one to mock the insanity of multiculturalism and realise that Islam co exists with Secular British values about as well as a rhino being penned up with a goat.
SethHesio 1 year ago
@SethHesio None of the Muslims I know would agree with you - in fact our Mayor was a Muslim from Pakistan. Intolerance and stupidity such as yours is the real problem.
MakinMagicFractals 9 months ago
@MakinMagicFractals What is the Muslim rule on homosexuals? Also, if a young man or woman decides through their own volition to leave the Muslim faith. What would be the typical reaction of their family/ community?
SethHesio 9 months ago
@SethHesio You seem to assume that all Muslim's are as strict to the "rules" as each other, this is simply not true.
MakinMagicFractals 9 months ago
@MakinMagicFractals As a faith, Islam is taken far more seriously by more of its followers than say Christianity. Christianity has become moderate over time. You do get a small population that take its rules literally and are extremely devout, but they are in the minority, the same way that Militant Islamists who use violence are very much in the minority in Islam. Islam in general is far far less moderate than Christianity. It's not moderate, and it's politically active. It should be challenged
SethHesio 9 months ago
@SethHesio I have no argument there, any creed/religion etc. that violates basic human rights should be challenged but that shouldn't stop us living together as best we can in the meantime.
MakinMagicFractals 9 months ago
@MakinMagicFractals Question, though: where do "basic human rights" come from? According to the Declaration of Independence of the United States (to name only one item) they come from God.
More involved question: what exactly are those "rights" and how do we know?
No atheist can answer this, since by their lights the whole of creation is a mistake, and we're just cogs in a vast, uncaring machine.
MaskedMan66 5 months ago
@MaskedMan66 They come from the common consensus of humans, including those guided by a mistaken belief in a deity or deities - there is no such thing as "God" (at least not in the sense you mean). Also there is no such thing as "Creation", there is just existence and existence has always been and always will be....simples.
MakinMagicFractals 5 months ago
@MakinMagicFractals Show me a "common consensus of humans" and I'll show you a purple kitten. Humans are notorious for disagreeing with each other, even within a group.
How do you figure a belief in God to be "mistaken" or God Himself to be nonexistent? Awfully absolutist talk from you there.
By the way, I don't "mean" anything by God; what I know about Him is what He's let us all know.
You are right (in a sense) about existence being eternal; God is existence. But this universe is temporal.
MaskedMan66 5 months ago
@MaskedMan66 How about 1. Christianity, 2. Islam 3. Buddhism ..... need I go on - that's common consensus within groups and as you *should* know there are common beliefs within all of them.
Non-religious consensus - 1. Decisions made by the UN 2. The Bill of Human Rights itself 3. The Geneva Convention 4. The Magna Carta
How many more do you want ?
MakinMagicFractals 5 months ago
@MakinMagicFractals Whoops IO meant "between all of them", sorry !
MakinMagicFractals 5 months ago
@MakinMagicFractals Christianity comes from God, and is based on an event that happened; in other words, on something objective and not invented by humans. Some believe, some don't, but neither the belief nor the unbelief affects its reality.
As for your second list, I very much doubt any of them satisfied all present.
In any case, you still haven't answered the question of where rights come from. And incidentally, according to the Magna Carta, those rights come from God.
MaskedMan66 5 months ago
@MaskedMan66 PROVE IT .
blobby1972 5 months ago
@blobby1972 oh my boody god, religion get dragged inti it again. Listen to the great northern prophet, Eckwhite, whose answer is similar to the great American prophet, Alfred E. Nueman. "What me worry". listen to the vibe, hold it to your heart and ignore it as all other prophets have been ignored and proved to useless tarts................
pintofkimberley 4 months ago
@pintofkimberley I would love to come back at you with a witty reply but I have no idea what you just said ...???
blobby1972 4 months ago
@blobby1972 What human would come up with it?
MaskedMan66 4 months ago
@MaskedMan66 one like your good self .
blobby1972 4 months ago
@MaskedMan66 Since God is an invention of humans.......
And human development producing "civilisation" where we have laws etc. simply comes from the evolution of humans which involves the ability to think for yourself - you might try doing that instead of pretending that a human invention (God) is "real".
MakinMagicFractals 5 months ago
@MakinMagicFractals No human would invent God. They'd invent gods, to be sure, but you can tell the manmade gods by the fact that they're no better than we are. Zeus is a womanizer, Thor is a drunkard, Isis and Osiris are an incestuous couple, etc. But God Himself is the sort of God no human would ever invent, because He's better than we are, and the human mind will not countenance that.
MaskedMan66 4 months ago
@MaskedMan66 You've clearly never read The Bible. "I am a jealous God". The Old Testament God who has his own tent, can be heard walking, who tricks his closest followers into betraying him so he can destroy him. The God who orders his followers to rape the women and slaughter the animals and children of defeated peoples. It's all in there.
MrSirMrSirMr 4 months ago
@MaskedMan66 What complete and utter b*ll*cks ! The idea of both Gods *and* God were created simply to help control an uneducated population *and* because they give some sort of answer to "the eternal question" (answer 42).
MakinMagicFractals 4 months ago
@MaskedMan66 On reflection I should have said that Man came up with *the idea of God* i.e. created the idea rather than the actuality - since I don't believe in God but accept that anything that can neither be proved or disproved is in fact possible then if God (as in Man's idea of God) really does exist then I'd accept that God wasn't necessarily created by Man in that sense. With respect to God and religion I basically have no real problem until people start treating "belief" as "fact"
MakinMagicFractals 4 months ago
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@MaskedMan66 Where rights come from? Get a life you fucking moron.
360cbh 4 months ago
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@MaskedMan66 Where rights come from? Get a life you fucking moron.
360cbh 4 months ago
@MaskedMan66 Rights come from *Man* through social interactions based on experience, nothing more.
MakinMagicFractals 4 months ago
@MaskedMan66 "You are right (in a sense) about existence being eternal; God is existence. But this universe is temporal."
Yes the *known* Universe is temporal but just because there may be more than what we know doesn't confirm (or deny) the existence of God it merely means *we aren't Gods* !!
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@MaskedMan66 Also just because "the machine" is uncaring doesn't mean that we have to be.
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@MakinMagicFractals But that still begs the question, "Why should we care?"
MaskedMan66 5 months ago
@MaskedMan66 "since by their lights the whole of creation is a mistake, and we're just cogs in a vast, uncaring machine."
I don't know anyone who thinks Creation was a mistake, but since I don't believe in "Creation" the point is moot anyway. As for "cogs in a vast uncaring machine" I agree, science alone points to determinism, however I believe there is more to it than that such that "free will* is *not* just an illusion (e.g. me writing this) but that doesn't need a God.
MakinMagicFractals 4 months ago
@MakinMagicFractals On a different note, I'm a huge fan of fractals. They're unbelievably fascinating, and beautiful. It's a shame that they're probably too complicated for most mathematicians to comprehend, hence the high rate of madness in people who study them! Still a very interesting and beautiful phenomena though.
SethHesio 9 months ago
@SethHesio :) My period of insanity was a good 10 years prior to getting into fractals !
Basically they're simple, it's only when visualising fractal math in "normal" mathematical terms that things get complicated.
As for Fractal Art as opposed to Fractal Math or Programming, that only needs the bare minimum of maths knowledge, it's about knowing how to use the tools properly in the same way that you don't need to know much about 3 dimensional coordinate geometry to use say 3D Studio etc.
MakinMagicFractals 9 months ago
@MakinMagicFractals - ah "your" brain might be able to hold a lot of information but can you come up with new ideas that will change the world for good!!
sainglain 6 months ago
@sainglain I'm not sure any "new" ideas are really necessary - it's more a matter of choosing/promoting the "correct" existing ones :)
MakinMagicFractals 6 months ago
@sainglain My "big" idea is simply for all to be more tolerant of others and to do more to promote mutual understanding - obviously that's not "new" ! The root of this is better education for *all* - most important as far as "first world" countries is concerned is to ensure that even the least intelligent and least academically inclined still get educated to their maximum potential, *all* education systems are failing miserably at this (as compared to educating the most intelligent/academic).
MakinMagicFractals 6 months ago
Still calling people "wogs" in the 1980s. Not sure he got rid of that "imperial gunge".
ryko26 1 year ago
@ryko26 As racist terms go wogs isn't so bad... you have to see racism as a gradual acceptance, it can't all happen at once, people of that generation continued to use words like wogs, or spics or wops, or nig nogs or whatever, and I'm sure the racially different accepted that they those words were just a carry over from before. The point is that the blacks, Indians, were physically accepted. Change can't happen all at once if you get what I'm saying. Hope this makes sense.
SethHesio 1 year ago
They do say that comedian's mums can be awfully critical.
chazlee2008 2 years ago
Didn't Spike march with the black shirts? Think I read that somewhere a long time ago.
BetterNot10 2 years ago
Spike marched against the Blackshirts in 1933, big difference. I think you half-read it somewhere.
britishradio 2 years ago 24
britishradio,
Not so sure. Review of Norma Farnes book on Spike.
The same lack of comic judgment governed his more questionable television projects, The Melting Pot, a mid-Seventies sitcom that featured himself and John Bird as two Pakistani illegal immigrants arriving in an England overrun by foreigners. The show, of which a pilot episode was actually broadcast, reflected Milligan's view that, as Farnes puts it, 'uncontrolled immigration would dilute the culture of the English'.
BetterNot10 2 years ago
He got that Right
;~)
HELLO2YOU3 1 year ago
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The irony is that what was just a TV sit-com in the mid-70s is now the reality! One need only visit places like Bradford, Leicester, Blackburn, Birmingham or London to see the evidence. The purpose of New Labour's deliberate policy of uncontrolled mass immigration after 1997 was precisely to dilute, undermine and replace the existing native English culture - and they have almost succeeded in that aim. Nowadays the only racism one is likely to hear on the media is aimed at native whites.
lausanne67 1 year ago
@lausanne67 But native English culture is full of chavs, gamblers and pisshead football hooligans. It's a sack of shite. Get over your idea that you're a descendent of the great conquering British empire and find some value in yourself as a person instead of riding racist coattails.
Small minded fucks.
RandomnessUK 1 year ago
@RandomnessUK So says the hypocrite who reduces English culture and people to being no more than "full of chavs, gamblers and pisshead football hooligans"
Small-minded Anglophobic racist fuck.
TheMG63 1 year ago
@lausanne67 White isn't a race. It's a skin tone. An attribute, like hair or eye colour. And 'English culture' is a mix of the various races that came here over the centuries: Irish, Roman, French etc
QuaintlyHumouress 4 months ago
do you have more of that interview you could down load?....Spike was quite unique! :)
joferg70 2 years ago
This is really great, I've been a long time admirer of Spike and it's interesting to hear him speak so frankly about a subject which is clearly difficult to him. Have you got anymore of the interview?
votelawrence 2 years ago