The LINA Home Movie

[qcenaman]

Well the installer should be a little "smarter"... i have a 64 bit operating system and it doesn´t let me install LINA...

I understand that this is 32bit only, but my windows is x86 64 bit, what i mean is that i can run all my 32bit apps on it, since it installs in a folder called x86 and runs them in 32 bit mode, so why the hell don´t you allow this to be installed the same way?

[madjunir]

this will make cross distro software install without compile a reality!

specially important now that hardware company is using different distros:

Asus: xandros

Dell: Ubuntu

Lenovo: SUSE

HP: SUSE

Shuttle: Foresight linux

other: other distro, mac, win, etc.

This will bring linux and open source together, awesome proyect. Hope you the best.

[openlina]

Madjunir, thank you very much!

We are excited too. And it's not just different distros, it's Mac and Windows too. That's actually the hard part.

[bertjan13]

i found this text :

If you have little or no experience building software from source, you may wish to wait a few weeks for the 0.72 release. This release will include easy-to-install platform-specific LINA binaries of under 100MB.

and this text:

If you have little or no experience building software from source, you may wish to wait a few weeks for the 0.7.3 release. This release will include easy-to-install platform-specific LINA binaries of under 100MB.

can you please fix it

[openlina]

Hey thanks bertjan - will fix it right away!

[bertjan13]

how big will the next release be

[bertjan13]

when comes version 0.7.3

[openlina]

Hi Bertjan-

Our next release is 0.72 - we are testing it right now on 13 operating systems. If all goes well it will be out next week, along with some compiled applications.

I'll leave a note here when we've released it!

[keralina13]

Um wat does LINA stand for?? i feel wierd reading my name as a computer program

[dieeeeeeeeeeego]

Can a compiled program for lina in 32 bits be optimiced when runned with lina in 64 bits? or we will have to recompile for 64 and every kind of procesor.

[openlina]

LINA runs on both 32 bit and 64 bit processors, and LINA apps run without recompiling, no matter what hardware LINA is installed on.

[dieeeeeeeeeeego]

But runs in 32 or 64 bits?

So, LINA is like an interpreted assembler language.

How big is it?

Can it be distributed inside a windows app.?

Do i have to relearn a new api?

Python is suported, the interpreter or the languaje specs?

Also i use gentoo. I have to download 1Gb???

It there any portable project packaged with lina? Like a test LAMP server with some gui tools. Something to shows us how trust it is and will be.

Will LINA solve GTKd sucking dialogs on windows?

[openlina]

LINA actually includes an entire linux kernel. Building from source uses about 1GB. For our 0.73 release in January we will provide platform-specific binaries. Those will be about 75MB.

Just like JAVA, if you try to install a LINA app without LINA, the installer will ask you to go get LINA first.

[openlina]

We are putting together some packages for LINA right now - we will have them up soon. LAMP is high on our list, as are programming languages like Python. When we are done with our GTK port early next year, LINA will support native GTK without sucking dialogs.

[dieeeeeeeeeeego]

The LAMP testing server could be usefull right now for me, like easyphp but multiplatform.

Testing = open it when you need as a simple user, delete it when you want.

In that case, Apache, MySQL, phpmyadmin, PHP, etc. are already multiplatform, only the packaging, and GUI is not multiplatform.

LINA will run native servers ports or the LINA-specific executables?

so LINA is a kernel. Like coLinux?

Im sorry, but this is not very clear in your web, and it seems to not be updated regularly.

[openlina]

LINA actually contains an entire small Linux operating system. Maybe the best way to understand it is that LINA is a Linux virtual operating system, but it runs without you knowing it.

Check "How it works" on openlina dot org - maybe that will help.

[dieeeeeeeeeeego]

Sorry, i have missed the little blue arrow at bottom.

I see that LINA is a unique project. Its a virtualization technologie not like VirtualBox.

But i still dont understand why a linux executable have to be recompiled for use with LINA. If LINA IS a virtualiced linux kernel.

If i compile some helloworld in gentoo it should work on LINA. Or maybe, an Xclient.

Could also iptables?

Also LINA doesn't need to be in a Linux distro, only its packaging tools.

[dieeeeeeeeeeego]

Why will you port GTK when Cairo will be the Basis. Why Cairo, if Xserver is behind.

Maybe a port of Xserver, a Native Windows Manager and the other Desktop tools protocols, taskbar, libnotify, dBus, etc. etc. is a better choice than GTK. I think that GTK will be harder than a simple WM and Xroutines and will live holes.

[crazyidiot5309]

This is an amazing concept. I have one question, could lina run ndiswrapper? I know thats a very embedded program but it would be great if one day it could.

[openlina]

LINA comes with a full Linux kernel including device drivers. Ndiswrapper should work out box on LINA for translating signals back and forth from Windows device drivers when needed. The kernel gang is actually doing a great job keeping up with network hardware - I haven't needed ndiswrapper for quite a while.

Meanwhile, universal Linux device drivers are part of what we have in mind, and questions like yours bump the priority higher!

[marsters256]

I'm still trying to figure out what linx does

[openlina]

Linx is a command-line web browser - it translates html into text and lets you view it in a bash shell. It's a nice way to stay connected with the world when you happen to be in command-line land.

[dieeeeeeeeeeego]

This will be really usefull when i could run a QT application with GTK look and feel without even having QT or KDE libs. An unified look&feel under linux.

Also it seems like it will be a copy&run eficient packaging method for linux distros this is kind of what linux need day to day for all the people who only knows about clicking on next next next.

Distros makers will only need to worry about drivers, gnome/kde/etc., services, servers, security, and non system-specific programs.

[openlina]

Diego, absolutely. Click, click, click is exactly what we're aiming for.

[StoneCut]

Interesting project. Keep it up !!!

[openlina]

Not yet, but soon. Gimp uses the GTK library, and we should have that fully supported within six months.

[vinceBBBB]

Hello,

why is LINA delayed again...you see comments saying it is due out in early June 2007...then others saying mid July...

There is another tool that does a similar job called LINE....it was developed in 2001

It is a great idea...but will we ever see it?

thanks

Vince

[openlina]

Hi Vince,

We pushed back the release a couple weeks. The attention we've gotten has slowed down our coding efforts, and also we underestimated the number of detail associated with releasing a code base of this scale. Our project works very differently from LINE, which translates system calls similarly to CYGWIN.

[vinceBBBB]

Hello,

ok thanks for your reply...hopefully Lina will be out in about 2 weeks then?....mid JULY 2007

You don't know of any TOOL that allows Msoft's NET framework to run under linux? (i found MONO)

V

[openlina]

Mono's the only such tool I know of. A great and ambitious project!

Looking forward to your feedback on LINA.

[vinceBBBB]

Hello, yes the guys that make LIMNOR are looking to get it running under LINUX in the easiest way.

i thought Limnor was such an amazing tool. I try to help the guys out.

Limnor allows you to learn to windows computer program in about 5 minutes. It takes one email explaining variables and some other stuff..and you are away.

thanks, looking forward to LINA

Vince

[openlina]

That's true Trabant, programs running on LINA will be about 2 times slower than if they were running natively on Linux.

We answer that, and more, in the FAQ at our openlina dot com website.

[openlina]

You don't like leprechauns?

[koumed]

Man, there's no CPU emulation here, or even Os emulation, this software is a compatibility layer and it will make linux app run natively on windows and mac-intel :)

[openlina]

Actually, there's both. LINA runs great on PPC, and can work on ARM and SPARC as well.

[stevejberry]

the video doesnt load, it takes forever, and it's just your video, can you host it somewhere or upload it again .. it seems to be dead.

[freudenkinda]

Thanks for the info!

[freudenkinda]

Thanks for replying. The big question is: why? for which purpose?

[openlina]

Oops. Actually we can't divulge technical details... yet.

[judison0]

so, what "open" in "openlina" means????

[freudenkinda]

Part 2, thanks to the limitation to 500 chars:

I may be totally wrong, but one has to wonder whether this whole thing is a hoax or just a series of coincidences when making these observations. I'd appreciate a comment.

[freudenkinda]

Why is SSH in the titlebar of the Mac OS X shell all over the place, here? In the video, in the screenshots of your website, ..

I would not see why one would use ssh for a local shell - especially in this demo. That is, unless I log in to a Linux box, launch the apps there and - for the GUI apps - tunnel X11 through SSH. Delicately, the dock, which would reveal a running X11, can be seen on every single of your screenshots - except the one that shows the GUI application - it's hidden there.

[clifflui007]

What this means... is that you can run PICASA on the friggin Mac! Revolution time.

[Fordi]

*looks forward to running the GIMP without the crappy GTK file dialogs*

[dirtyhippy42]

Why in the hell would you want to run GIMP on Mac or Windows when there's Paint Shop Prop and PhotoShop? Yucky!

[maxauthority]

Because you don't want to spend hundreds of euros or wanting to steal others work by cracking them?

[dirtyhippy42]

@maxauthority

good answer but the fact still remains that you get what you pay for (or steal). I would never use GIMP just for the simple reason that it's absolutely AWFUL. I know it's great if you spend the week it takes to learn how to use it but frankly, I'd rather just use something professionally-designed and built rather than some crazy hack thrown together by nerds when I need to edit an image.

[Fordi]

That's your choice, but I'm going to guess that you *need* print, vector, pantone, or something else that APS provides and the GIMP does not. By the way, keep in mind that the developers at Adobe are just as nerdy as those working on the GIMP. They're just nerds with a penchant for getting gobs of money for their work, and have a design team and corporation to back them up.

Meanwhile, the GIMP's not some crazy hack. It's just poorly designed, asthetically.

[Fordi]

Simple: I'm a developer, not a designer.  I need something that will be able to parse apart my designer's pretty into digestable elements for integration into a webpage. I don't need something that'll do print work, and I don't want to spend hundreds of dollars on functionality I have no use for.

[dirtyhippy42]

Fordi, why not use Paint dotNet then. It's free and open source. GIMP just flat out sucks.

[Fordi]

Between its inability to run on Linux (meaning I'd have to have an inconsistent development environment between my desktop and laptop), and that it's ridiculously underpowered for a 'Photoshop clone', the GIMP is a superior product for me.

You think the GIMP sucks. That's fine. I use it an prefer it. If you don't like that, also fine.

I'm well aware of what's out there, and for me, the GIMP is the best product to fit my needs. Disagree with me on that, and I'm sorry but you're wrong.

[derekstech]

please lets get out of Windows its dead anyway .

If you use windows you have no idea what your missing out on.

Last time i check windows does nothing for the user and we have game so consoles DX10 is worthless.

[dirtyhippy42]

I see by your comments you think that Windows is dead. You obviously live in your own little world and it's probably best for everyone if you just continue to embrace your strange notions and stay there.

[dirtyhippy42]

I'm not sure which is worse, the awful video you guys made or the awful interface to your software. Listen up, nobody on a Windows or Mac computer wants to type out commands to some program, especially when they're using it for the first time and don't know what the fuck they're doing. Would it have been so hard to have built some sort of GUI or shell extensions for it? Like double click your lena files or whatever? The concept behind the thing is kind of cool tho.

[openlina]

Um, like, hey, dirty hippy, we're working on it, ok?

[feet77]

It's fairly obvious from this video that this project is in development. Of COURSE they will install some kind of GUI installer for Windows users, or Mac users, surely. The concept itself though is fantastic.

[dirtyhippy42]

@feet77

I was just giving them that tip because it seemed like both of them (esp the guy w/ the pony tail) were a bit spaced out a bit out of touch. My fav part is when the guy wants to put in the memory stick to copy over the same files he copied 5 minutes eariler for no apparent reason, then can't fit it in the hole. I thought "maybe they'd never even thought of a GUI". That's not an unusual thing for crazy Linux zealots.

[feet77]

Actually, you're right. Now I think about it.. What Linux geeks call "simple!" is actually ridiculously fucking complicated. Either that, or it's just four lines of code with no context. Linux is in dire need of a Dictator, like a Steve Jobs figure.

[derekstech]

how did they not know nano was in there?

mac is a nice unix box

[openlina]

derekstech, that's true, nano is there already. But with LINA you don't need the -M to make mac-readable files. Our next video shows links on Mac. Maybe slightly more convincing...

[EternalLight7]

Nice work.

[openlina]

eternallight7 - thx

[richard2121]

This is great, dose it support 3D?

[atarix64]

FTW!!! :D

[devgeek0]

..yeah but... nano is already on Mac OS X!

[Fant0men]

I think you missed the whole point. The point was that they could use that very same linux binary and run it on all operating systems without recompiling it, and it acts as a native application.

[nunofelicio]

but you have to compile it for lina....

[openlina]

nunofelicio - compiling for LINA is no more difficult than making a RPM.

[wastern]

It is a very cool technology. But to devgeek0's point the nano example didn't have to compile at work since its already there on OS X it would run anyway. Seeing the GUI examples really blew me away, this is something I've been dreaming of for a long time and to see that there may be something out there to do it is great to see. Hopefully this will see widespread adoption

[nunofelicio]

Ok, its fun, but it does exactly what CoLinux does...

[kaydenraine]

Installing Linux distributions under colinux is difficult. So users generally use either an existing Linux install on a partition or ready made filesystem image distributed by the project. The f.s. images are made in various ways like by taking images of a normal Linux os, finding ways to make installers run with the hardware, building installs up using the package manager by hand or upgrading existing images using yum & apt.

[Ericka12345]

What a fascinating technology!