GreenShift's C02 Bioreactor

[datzfast]

im a democrat, i demand that i be able to drink beer piss into my fuul tank and drive on piss. you republicans get your asses to work.

[Armornone]

I have yet to see a car run on this so called algae oil. How do I know that it will work?

[Tamizushi]

@Armornone to see a car running on algae biodiesel go to v=oxD7IR4IvNk. you can check davidwgair's channel for how it was made. his design is simpler and cheaper. There is no debate that it's possible to make usable biodiesel from microalgae. Many scientific papers have been made about that. The main challenge is to make it economically viable. We are still very far from achieving that.

[Armornone]

@Tamizushi From my experience, most of this so called " green technology" is nothing but a fraud. Its just people trying to push a left wing agenda. The green jobs Czar was Van Jones who is this self described communist who has spend the last 10 years in prison. I would not hold your breath on this stuff, most if this stuff is an outright scam.

[Tamizushi]

@Armornone Go to google scholar, search for bioreactor a read some scientific papers. Unless you think all scientists or part of the big conspiracy or something.

It's pretty obvious that when you seen "green" on a product, it may be a scam. That doesn't mean that every time you see it, it's a scam. Pundits will try to exploit whatever is popular at the moment to sell their shit. Right now, it's fighting global warming. That doesn't mean global warming is a lie.

[Armornone]

@Tamizushi They had the email scandal where so called " scientist" were trying science other scientist who said it was a scam. George Soros tried to setup a carbon exchange so he could make billions. The carbon exchange was nothing more than " global socialism" because it just took money out of the pockets of Americans and give it to corrupt 3rd world leader dictators in Africa. Corn based Ethanol was a disaster, lot of this stuff it feel good, get rich quick/socialism but not viable. sorry.

[Tamizushi]

@Armornone You do realize that you are just using an ad hominem by insisting to associate environmentalism with socialism? They have nothing to do together and even if they had, your argument doesn't address the question.

You realize that google scholar is just a research engine? It doesn't publish it's own papers and it has no political agenda.

I agree that corn based ethanol is not viable. Why? Land usage and food competition. Nothing to do with communism or a scientific conspiracy.

[Armornone]

@Tamizushi The whole green thing look pretty good at first glance but when you start to dig deeper into the entire thing, its just a big scam. This is the brain child of AL Gore, George Soros and some international players who want to get money from the US with a global tax/ redistribution and the entire global warming/green energy is the way to do. Listen, if there a real technology that worked,I would be all for it however most of this stuff, such as solar panels, carbon credits... is a scam

[Tamizushi]

@Armornone Wind power has already become cheaper than nuclear power and the price keeps going down. Solar is generally a lot more expensive than other production means, but in some situations it can be less expensive than to connect some equipment to the grid. The prices are studily going down and it might eventually compete with other production. First generation bioethanol and biodiesel are BS, but micro algua may or may not change that.

[Armornone]

@Tamizushi Solar panels are a Scam. They have been around since the late 1970's and have never worked. Spain put their entire future in green technology and now they have massive unemployment and inflation. If the technology worked, then power companies would buy them however they won't touch these thing so they try to fool regular people on a guilt trip without any economic sense. You will be lucky if you can break even after 20 years of these solar panels. They are an eye soar on a house,etc.

[Tamizushi]

@Armornone 15 years ago, nobody wanted to touch wind power. Now it's the fastest growing power source. Today, solar is generally not viable economically. I don't know about in 15 years.

[Armornone]

@Tamizushi People have lost millions on the wind power and its the only one of the things that come close to being viable. Everyone in the so called " green energy" are crooks and con artist. Like the old miracle cure snake oil salesman, they try to sell it on smug people by taking them on a guilt trip. The technology is all a scam. Anyone who gets near this stuff is a fool. Tell me, why do you have a ex-prison inmate and communist Van Jones as the green Job Czar???

[Tamizushi]

@Armornone Million peoples have died because of asthma, heart attacks and etc linked to coal plant emissions, thousand peoples die every years in coal mines and you can't come up with better arguments to keep it than ad hominem. First wind power is not close to viable, it IS economically viable and not in a close future, I'm talking about right now, and it's not the only viable energy, hydro is the only energy source that can compete with coal for cost. Geothermal is also largely under exploited

[Armornone]

@Tamizushi Carbon Credits are just another name for legalize theft income redistribution from Americans to African countries. Its run by George Soros in a power grab game, its not based on anything than promoting needless fear. Nuclear power plants don't pollute and even the guy who started one of those gay environmental groups is behind it. You hippies are putting everyone lives at risk by preventing new nuclear power plants from being built and keeping the old ones online(which are not safe)

[Tamizushi]

@Armornone I don't remember saying nuclear is a bad energy although it is more expensive than wind and a nuclear plan takes on average 10 years to build. The same capacity in wind power can easely be build in 2 or 3 years. Additionally Uranium isn't renewable and on the past few years we have used more uranium then we produce even though it fills less than 6% of our current energy needs. It is still 1000 times better than coal, don't get me wrong.

[Tamizushi]

@Armornone Also "Carbon Credits are just another name for legalize theft income redistribution from Americans to African countries". Really? That's your argument? Where the fuck do you think you oil comes from? Who do you think make the most money from it? The answer is a bunch of Arabic dictators. Do you really think they are gonna make MORE money from Americans if we taxe their product's waste? This is really a BS argument you have there.

[Armornone]

@Tamizushi The only people who may the tax is the end user. Even your leader Obama said that energy prices would " necessarily skyrocket" if cap and trade passed. Taxing people who use electricity is the stupidest idea even. How does making a global tax that makes from from Americans and gives it to African dictators help anyone other than the African dictator. You make a point that we should take the oil from the country by force. Maybe we should but a global tax is retarded idea. ugh..

[Tamizushi]

@Armornone I don't remember saying anything about using force. I said we are buying oil from them not that we should steal it. The solution is to promote alternative energy source and alternatives technologies. For example, It's also possible to create crude oil through thermal depolymerization using microalgae or biological waste (manure, sewage sludge, turkey offal) as raw material. There is still research to do to improve the process but the potential is there.

[Armornone]

@Tamizushi You complained about Arab dictators getting money and you said we should get it back with some kind of tax. Well, why stop there, maybe we should just take the oil and not pay them for it. Less money for terrorism. Anyway, George Soros is all about power grabbing and money. These plans also will make energy prices skyrocket and destroy the economy. That ethanol lead to the rainforest being bulldozed over to make room to grow crops needed for ethanol. "green tech" is just BS.

[Tamizushi]

@Armornone Are you paying attention to what I'm writing? No I don't think war is the answer. Are you serious? Do you know how much the war in Iraq costed? If we put the same money in R&D, we would have renewable alternative at lower price before you know it. And you are the only one linking terrorism with oil. Also, if you payed attention to what I write you would have noticed I already said "that corn based ethanol is not viable". Why are you putting every alternative tech in the same bag?

[Armornone]

@Tamizushi The alternative energy is nothing more than a tool for communism/income redistribution, one world government with George Soros on the top. You want to see real crooks, look at the companies selling solar panels for people's houses. Those people are losing money and getting money from my tax money to be pushed into a failed technology from the 70's. If you want to see real things happen, then base thing of science and technology and loose the communist/social left wing agenda BS.

[Tamizushi]

@Armornone Renewable energies is necessary because of the raising fossil fuel price , the fact that we will eventually run out of it if we don't find any alternatives, the fact that that we are spending a fuck ton of cash by importing billions in resources and because of global warming. The only people who has ever pretended that communism and alternative energies has anything to do together are paranoid conspiracy theorist.Anyway this conversation is going nowhere.We are just repeating ourselve

[Armornone]

@Tamizushi Do you know what a Green Job Czar is? It was a position created by Obama for someone who run the countries entire green job/alternative energy/global warming task force and represented our interested in international interest in this subject. Do you know how was the person he picked to run this program out of the ENTIRE COUNTRY? Van Jones, a Man who describes himself as a COMMUNIST and spend over 10 years in prison!! He said " drop the radical pose for the radical end" Its socialist.

[Tamizushi]

@Armornone Do you get all your sources from fox news? First, Anthony K. "Van" Jones has resigned from his position 2 years ago. Second, when exactly did he go in prison over 10 years? Because I actually looked at his wikipedia page and not only didn't I find any mention of him going to jail but I also didn't find any 10 years gap where he could have. Third, although he did get involved at some point in socialist groups, he also got involved in some capitalist groups. Main accusation source= FOX

[Armornone]

@Tamizushi He said that he realized he was communist while in prison! Yes, Prison!! Van Jones also said that George W Bush blew up the WTC on 911! WOW. Van Jones probably does not even know what the color green is, what exactly qualifies him to be the CZAR for an entire alternative energy moment? If this is based on scientific fact and not a left wing liberal agenda, then why is there not a scientist czar but rather a radical communist who was in prison as the czar? L.A riots=jail for Jones.

[Tamizushi]

@Armornone Hitler was a vegetarian, does that mean that all vegetarian are nazi? I mean we are talking about there leader there. Following your logic, vegetarianism is a big nazi conspiracy.

Your sources of Van Jones being in jail and also WHY he was in jail exactly, plz. That's a pretty important detail if you ask me. And I didn't see anything about him being a radical communist. I did see something about him being a environmental and human right activist though. Those are different things.

[Armornone]

@Tamizushi LOL, well it depends if you do actual research or if you are looking at his own personal website. Bill Ayers calls himself a human right activist not a domestic terrorist. Muslims terrorist call themselves freedom fighters not terrorist. Don't be a jackass over this ok. Let put it this way, Van Jones was forced to resign in shame after his radical past was exposed. He admits himself he turned to communism while in prison! I already told you, he was arrested in the Rodney King riots

[Tamizushi]

@Armornone I wouldn't care having a nuclear plan in my backyard. It's just not the best choice available right now. It's only the best choice for location where hydro, wind and geothermal isn't suitable. More effort should be put to build breeder reactors since uranium-238 and thorium-232 are a lot more commune than uranium-235 and so the "not renewable" problem is less of a factor for them.

[SisTeaser]

AMAZING ! I suppose at night you could just inject the CO2 into the gound for storage?

[georgiewilliam]

I like the fiber optic technology part..

[donteverlietome]

This is impressive. My concern is water evaporation.

It looks considerably more complex then a system being researched by Valcent and MIT. With the alga grown inside a plastic "curtain bag" the water is retained and reused, the alga is confined and unwanted alga has no way to enter the system and produce strains of alga that could pollute the intended strain. The lipids are then removed and the water is placed back into the system. Look up the video by entering valcent alga on YT.

[GottnyGrapes]

WELL PRESENTED Showed great concepts that are appealing to hear . Moreso the video was simpler to follow and MORE informative than most other videos on the topic presented to the general public . PESnetwork - -KEEP THEM COMING !!!

[prop23FAIL]

Love IT!!! California needs to invest more in Green Tech!!! Prop 23 is down in the polls, but the Yes on 23 campaign just got a new influx of hot, anonymous cash, so we'll need to fend them off in the home stretch to Election Day.

Hit me back if you'd like to talk Prop 23. We're coming out with a bunch of great No on Prop 23 videos soon!

- prop23FAIL

[youngrelleus19]

Are you guys trying to gain investors

[Chlamy50]

This technology of optic fibers is the only technical way to produce algae with the optimal thermodynamic yield. If you cultivate algae with direct sun light and an bioreactor illuminated fraction equals 1, you have a thermodynamic y=yield of about 1 or 2% at 1000µmol photons.m-2.s-1. If you dilute your light to reach 50µmol photons, you can reach a thermodynamic yield of about 15 or 20%....by using the same quantity light area.....capital cost is expensive, but finctionnal cost is less importan

[arabianleopard]

fermentation??

[arcart0]

We waste far too much energy, a good example is the vacuum cleaner.

Air Recycling Technology if used in Vacuum Cleaners could actually save each year in the UK, an amount of energy equal to that generated by 800 Medium sized wind generators.

That is 1.5 TWh of electricity worth £225,000,000 and 650,000 Tonnes of CO2, Emissions. And a saving of more than 25 Twh of electricity annually is possible in the EU. Equal to £3.25 billion pounds and 13.5 million tonnes of CO2.Emissions.

arcart0

[KVLai]

I understand that it takes Co2 from existing Coal Fired Power Plants. 1 question; Where to get the Co2 feed stock once the last "Coal Fired Generator is "CLOSED DOWN" due to OBSOLESCENCE. I just need to know. Please Answer this question.

[TRUMPHENT]

@KVLai Is this a trick question? It's a joke, right?

If and when the coal is finally gone, do you think maybe biomass or biofuel plants might be producing CO2?

By the time coal is in short supply, CO2 is going to be annoyingly abundant.

Your question was joke, right?

[roidroid]

@KVLai feeding the algae concentrated CO2 increases the yield, but is not absolutely necessary.

If the algae is instead fed with natural concentrations of CO2 from the air, yields are a little lower, but are still good.

[sustainablehuman]

@KVLai Given that Australia alone has enough brown coal for nearly 1000 years, I'm not sure what the point of your question is. Are you saying that Coal Fired Power Plants will be made obsolescent by renewables, which will kill the market for symbiotic algae plants?

[mack70214]

here's the problem with this, YOU'RE BURNING FUEL TO MAKE FUEL. it contradictory. plus this process looks like it will take a while to produce the algae needed to make the oil. you can make algae in 2 days with the right equipment and ample sunlight. this looks like it will take not only time but lots of money for the equipment to build something like this.

[Photis22]

the fuel you are using to grow it is was first used to create gas/energy in the first place, you are recycling it. Although this does look like an extremely expensive system

[doleak]

Obama's environmental bill could fund this

[discgolfer123]

I tried to do a project similar to this for a science project using isochrysis galbana, but when I added CO2 to the solution the carbonic acid lowered the pH to around 5, while my algae thrives at a pH of 8. Long story short we didn't see much growth haha. It's important to take a pH drop into consideration for something like this when picking your algae, or else be ready to make a buffer of some sort.

[clayton97330]

You have to add bicarbonate to your culture medium to stabilize the pH. Use Henry's Law for CO2 and carbonic acid/bicarbonate equilibrium to determine the concentration of bicarbonate required in your medium. I have a working research grade photobioreactor system and have published papers on the subject so I know how this works.

[sparkloweb]

Millions of acres of fiber optics? You've gotta be kidding me.

[Yellobesoriginal]

also, is it fresh water or scalene algae?

[Yellobesoriginal]

where can i a sample of this algae?

;)

[watergenerator]

the expense is well worth it. It can't possibly more expensive that all accumulating stipends for farmers to produce ethanol. This doesn't reduce our land use for food and in fact creates a fuel that you can also drink for health benefits... If you're up to it.

[YouAdamNazzkl0wn]

possibly the most complicated way to grow algae i've ever seen.

[nitrox027]

and the most expensive

[eisforeverything]

Polyester and acrylic? Are those petroleum products? Can't there be something else for the plates that the algae grows on? I like the stir tank idea.

[Grak70]

For as much biofuel as they'll produce in their useful lifetime, that's a small price to pay. Even today without any biofuel, plastics and manufacturing account for barely 10% of consumption. Almost all the rest is burned as fuel.

[quickfists259]

Actually algae can also be used to make crude oil. So the algae can also be used to make plastic

[PuttingOnTheFoil]

Nice computer animation... now build the real thing, and make it cost effective to impress me.

[dieseltwitch]

@PuttingOnTheFoil Yeah I have to agree that system seams a little "over engineered" especially the lighting system.

[circusboy90210]

@PuttingOnTheFoil why worry about that when the oil company's are being overtaxed to pay for their own demise. not very democratic. let the free market decide.

[roidroid]

Wow, what a strange technique.

Why can't they just grow it in direct sunlight, bubbling the CO2 emissions through a network of sealed clear tubes - Wouldn't that be so much simpler? If the light doesn't penetrate far enough, you just pump/stir it faster so the algae cycles through the light faster.

Oh well i guess they have some reason for their original technique, i just wish i knew what it was.

[Grak70]

By vertically integrating the growth medium they can distribute the sunlight over a larger effective area with less capital. It is a cost tradeoff between making lots of small tubes to get around sunlight absorption effects and the complexity of the concentrator technology they are proposing. The problem with having a big stirred tank is residence time. While 10% of the algae are getting exposure, the other 90% are doing nothing, no matter how fast you stir. It becomes a dilution problem.

[cnove138]

There is also another reason to use redirected sunlight via fiber optics. By doing that you can basically create as many floors in your building as you want and all floors will get the same amount of light exposer. Imagine a 10 story sky scrapper on a acre of land and you have just increased the yield for the acre 10 times.

[roidroid]

there would have to be some sort of limit - in a 10 story building every story would be getting 10% of the light. But in a 100 story building every floor would get only 1% of the light.

[cnove138]

I would also assume that there is a limit to how tall you could make the building. But, the point is that using fiber optics greatly increases the yield per acre by allowing multiple stories to grow on.