It is God who consecrates and transubstantiates the Hosts. As Jesus pointed out to the religious powerbrokers of his day. No See, no ecclesiastical system or structure can usurp the power that comes from God. I hurt for you if you are in a position where you actually believe that the Lady in question is not receiving consecrated hosts. It is a position far from the heart of our Lord.
They were consecrated using the Roman Rite and are legitimate transubstantiated Hosts.
It is interesting though that your comment validates the ministry we are conducting, confirming that this is how she can fulfil her Sunday obligation.
The hosts are consecrated using a Catholic rite by a Catholic priest. Rome does not enter into the equation and has never suggested that only Roman ordained priests are required for a valid consecration. Quite the opposite in fact
Transubstantiation is an Augustinian explanation of the mystery of the Eucharist which was ratified by the Council of Trent. It is not an absolute requirement of belief in itself and never has been. Your point seems quite confused
I hope you informed the lady who ran out of hosts that your hosts were not in fact consecrated within either forms of the Roman Rite, and therefore not legitimate transubstantiated communion.
Otherwise you have misled this poor lady who is assuming she is recieving validly consecrated hosts and as such you are actually preventing her from completing her sunday obligation.
The use of the Roman Rite is not required for a valid consecration only a VALID rite and there is no Mass obligation for people who are unable physically to attend Mass. In the situation where a Roman Priest is not available, Canon Law provides for any validly ordained Priest to administer the sacrament if asked to do so, and we have done so, meaning nobody is mislead, although you may be confused about your own Canon Law
Again my friend it is you who are confused, Canon Law only provides for a non Roman priest, validly ordained in either the Eastern and Oriental Orthodox Church or any other Church in communio with the Holy See. The Anglican/ Episcopal tradition is not in communio and the orders are not viewed as valid. I may add that this Canon is only to be used in extreme circumstances, perhaps a Roman Rite Catholic in a placewhere no suitable Roman Rite celebration is available
Canon Law is complex and always difficult to definitively interpret, but you are incorrect in interpreting the requirement for a validly ordained priest as being the same as one in communion with Rome. The requirement is "validly ordained" and even the priest of a church who is not in full communion is both authorised and REQUIRED to administer communion. We do not come from Anglican orders but from Old Catholic orders, which have always been acknowledged as fully valid by Rome
This is very very good; articulate, liberal inclusive and quite simply a breath of fresh air!
wycliffe35 2 years ago
It is God who consecrates and transubstantiates the Hosts. As Jesus pointed out to the religious powerbrokers of his day. No See, no ecclesiastical system or structure can usurp the power that comes from God. I hurt for you if you are in a position where you actually believe that the Lady in question is not receiving consecrated hosts. It is a position far from the heart of our Lord.
postthehost 2 years ago
They were consecrated using the Roman Rite and are legitimate transubstantiated Hosts.
It is interesting though that your comment validates the ministry we are conducting, confirming that this is how she can fulfil her Sunday obligation.
postthehost 2 years ago
No No No
You ARE NOT in Communio with the See of Rome therefore my friend you are not legitimately consecrating these hosts within the Roman Catholic Rite.
Anyone can read the Roman Canon over some wafer but that doesnt mean they are consecrated within the Roman Rite.
Do you actually believe in Transubstantiation anyway ?
scottishrefereed 2 years ago
The hosts are consecrated using a Catholic rite by a Catholic priest. Rome does not enter into the equation and has never suggested that only Roman ordained priests are required for a valid consecration. Quite the opposite in fact
Transubstantiation is an Augustinian explanation of the mystery of the Eucharist which was ratified by the Council of Trent. It is not an absolute requirement of belief in itself and never has been. Your point seems quite confused
oecscotland 2 years ago
I hope you informed the lady who ran out of hosts that your hosts were not in fact consecrated within either forms of the Roman Rite, and therefore not legitimate transubstantiated communion.
Otherwise you have misled this poor lady who is assuming she is recieving validly consecrated hosts and as such you are actually preventing her from completing her sunday obligation.
scottishrefereed 2 years ago
The use of the Roman Rite is not required for a valid consecration only a VALID rite and there is no Mass obligation for people who are unable physically to attend Mass. In the situation where a Roman Priest is not available, Canon Law provides for any validly ordained Priest to administer the sacrament if asked to do so, and we have done so, meaning nobody is mislead, although you may be confused about your own Canon Law
oecscotland 2 years ago
Again my friend it is you who are confused, Canon Law only provides for a non Roman priest, validly ordained in either the Eastern and Oriental Orthodox Church or any other Church in communio with the Holy See. The Anglican/ Episcopal tradition is not in communio and the orders are not viewed as valid. I may add that this Canon is only to be used in extreme circumstances, perhaps a Roman Rite Catholic in a placewhere no suitable Roman Rite celebration is available
scottishrefereed 2 years ago
Canon Law is complex and always difficult to definitively interpret, but you are incorrect in interpreting the requirement for a validly ordained priest as being the same as one in communion with Rome. The requirement is "validly ordained" and even the priest of a church who is not in full communion is both authorised and REQUIRED to administer communion. We do not come from Anglican orders but from Old Catholic orders, which have always been acknowledged as fully valid by Rome
oecscotland 2 years ago