@MrToco93 I know what de ashi is. It's the first move you learn at my school. I meant the guy with the red sash who is kicking. The Judo guy also looks like he throws in a couple of low kicks to the knee though.
Cool match! Looks like a sport jujutsu tournament. I take it the red belt is some sorta Karate/JJJ fighter? He didn't seem to have much takedown defense or newaza against the judoka.
Actually, Judo is if any thing from ju jitsu. Any art with "do"means the gentle way. For instance, In judo your goal is not to hurt your apponant but to gently submit him. Ju Jitsu on the other hand any art with itsu is a deadly martial art where instead of gently submiting them you break there arm and crush there wind pipe. The founders of Karate and judo studied together and neither is a form or from kung fu. Like akido for instance is gentle, Akibujitsu is more painfull.
@boromaniac01 "Ju" means Soft or Gentle. Do translate as "the way" as in the path we follow. Jitsu tanslates roughly as "the Art". Karates Chinese roots are undisputable, since its Founder Gichin Funakoshi wrote about it in his books. They are even able to trace some of the forms back to their Chinese roots. At one time "Kara" meant Chinese/China and Karate meant China hand, but Funakoshi changed the Kanji for it and now we know it as Karatedo "The way of Empty Hands".
@boromaniac01 Although some styles of Jitsu may have more dangerous techniques, such is the case with Judo/Ju Jitsu, but this has little relation to their Do/Jitsu origins and nothing to do with "Ju". The differences were brought on mostly by injuries and Kanos desire to promote his art as a sport. The Ju from both schools is simply referring to the way a style is used. Instead of meeting force with force, practitioners of any "Ju" art are fighters that can use their opponents force against them
I saw nothing homosexual in this. I saw beautiful skill. Beautiful takedown from an obvious experienced Judoka. And an EXCELLENT pin! ANd great submission!
@LeviAAA Dont throw your technicalities at me Judo is not FROM ju jitsu which is what i fucking said dont try and be a hero and correct me what i said still stands Kano did not get his techniques from ju jitsu go read up wikipedia some more
@djterrortee obviously you know nothing about judo or BJJ. BJJ came from Count Koma who was a representative of the Kodokan. Kano's Judo came from Japanese Ju Jitsu, focusing more on stand up than newaza. Koma's Judo was more newaza based. I suggest the internet to expand your knowledge you moron.
...in real mma this sort of choke or block is seldom used becouse the bottom guy go back with legs to creat space and then he break your back and ribs with knees and free punch
@hazard2000 Ah but in a real fight people have a tendency to wear clothes. mma should have gi based bouts as well as the current underwear ones. It would be far more interesting.
Unfortunately the old UFC days are gone and ain't coming back. It was a grand experiment and taught alot but it's based on what the average joe wants to see now and expecially what he'll pay to see. You're probably in the minority when it comes to wanting to see bouts with the gi in MMA.
Its a shame. Judo would be the primary takedown art if it was in gi (imagine regular ippon throws in mma!) So much of the fighters arsenal is restricted without clothing.
Yeah, that's why I continue to train with and wthout the gi. Too many MMA proponents seem to think they've developed a fighting style rather than a sport. Not so much.
Depends, I might. Especially if I were better at a double leg. It's as good a way to drop a guy on his head as a good "Ippon" judo throw. I try not to limit my option beyind not confusing myself.
Alot of guys tried that elbow to the spine in the early UFCs and it never amounted to anything. You need a well balanced position and good follow through to pull it off, neither of which are available while defending a decent double leg. I've also seen it used in several Gracie challenge matches to no avail and had very experienced guys suggest it to me until they actually tried it. Try it out with a partner, you'll see what I mean.
Unfortunately at the moment I can't, my grappling and sparring classes are seperate. I'm a judoka, and recently have started muay thai/boxing/savate. Its in am mma gym, but the mma guys don't train on the same day as me. I've done a bit of BJJ (1.5 years) as well but as part of the judo club rather than an mma gym.
That's too bad. You should try to find an environment that at least part of the time allows a certain amount of experimentation. I found it's the only way to really know what's going to work and in what context. If you watch the Orlando Weit - Robert Lucarelli match from UFC 2. You'll see Weit drop several elbows into Lucarelli's spine to very little effect. It's not until he gets a clean one into the back of the skull that it works. I was surprised too but reality is what it is.
What doesn't work every time "when done correctly"? ... and what the heck are you talking about, a counter for the double leg? Yes, everything can be countered when NOT "done correctly". lol.
@MrMZaccone LOL true. I was detering the people out there who consider the first attempt's failure as a suggestion to truly learn how something is doen right then applying it to the correct situation. although. Tawara Gaeshi is very hard to mess up.
@lve4lvn2 It's all about having the right counter at the right time and not getting caught behind in the race to apply it. "All warfare is based on deception" - Sun Tzu.
The arsenal is restricted to the fighter. ippon does not need or require the gi. Any true student knows that judo is the movement of the body not the clothes that one wears.
@hazard2000 The gi is an extra tool we can bring into the match. Every judo throw can be done and worked without a gi. just like the majority of this clip they are grabbing onto the gi's. It does not define the techniques.
@hazard2000 right but thats not my point my point is you cant just have Judo vs MMA since MMA is MIXED Martial arts, he obviously takes Judo is his training, he might fight mma, but from the look of it i highly doubt it, hes doing almost everything wrong in that position to get out and not get submitted
Judo didnt win, obviously the MMA fighter won thats why hes the one with the whitebelt, hes probably never even used that GI before untill he entered a judo competion
funny how kung fu could derive from a style that was derived from wushu/kung fu.... This isn't some Uroboros that eats itself to say it's a new invention... but everyone's an expert on youtube, right?
@Mangojohan, Its roots are from Kung Fu mixed with indigenous styles of Okinawa, but as you can see this guy has no roots, he is not rooted & not sure what style he does but it is not Okinawan Karate for sure.
@motorbikedemon58 It is from ju jutsu but not brazilian. I think you just misunderstood what I meant since ju jitsu somtimes refers to brazilian ju jitsu but I meant the old samurai martial art ju justu/ju jitsu that Jigaro Kano learnt.
@Mangojohan Yeah Okinawan Karate has its roots from stuff like the Crane Form. Okianwan Karate by the way is pretty nasty arts what i mean is they teach you how to break boards with your fingers YIKES
@Mangojohan that's wrong... karate and judo become from jiujitsu.... this two martial arts form the jiujitsu... but in brazil they realize that to win a match you don't need to KO your enemy..... so the new jiujistu there are no kicks or punchs...
@Nicopepaldo i wouldn't apply bjj on the streets cause there you don't have a smooth ground and if there are more than one openent you are kind of fucked up
Btw you will allways need kicks punches usw and grappling because why shouldn't you use everything you can to defeat you opponent
@Nicopepaldo no, karate does not come from jujutsu. there are some jujutsu influences in karate, but karate comes from chinese kung fu and the indigenous martial art of okinawa, te.
do u even know what's kung-fu? It literally means martial arts. Kung-fu includes thousands of different arts, started five thousands years ago when there is no japan. Many kung-fu derived from animal movements, like snakes, mantis. Kung fus are not widely practiced because china was not open to the world until recent years.
BJJ comes from Judo anyway, not Ju-Jitsu. It is essentially Kodokan Judo. Jigoro Kano sent Mitsuyo Maeda, who was one of the top groundwork technicians in Judo, to Brazil to teach Judo... Maeda never learned JJ... only Sumo and Judo.
Incidentally, there is no record in the Kodokan of any Gracie brother being Dan graded.
In the early days Judo was also known as "Kano Jiu Jitsu". The issue is further confused because when translated to english, etc Judo and Jiu Jitsu are very similar in meaning. But Seproma is right about BJJ starting from Maedas' Judo.
but judo is originated from jiu jitsu when it was split into it's 2 disciplines karate and judo. and going furthur back jiujitsu was used by samurai in the fight to combat ninjitsu on early chinese history.
I don't think Karate is derived from Jiu jitsu. Its Okinawan. Some claim its based on the influence of a form of Chinese Kung fu that came with the chan (zen) buddhists to Okinawa. Other Chinese influences in Okinawa and Japan are the Kanji characters and some of the food. Still others say that the Okinawans developed karate to defend against Samurai attacks. Either way - Judo and BJJ are forms of Jiu jitsu. Judo is about restraint but techniques can easily be adapted. (see karo parisyan)
sorry i meant japanese i was proberbly quite tired at the point of writing that post i have studied judo for 6 years achieving junior black in 4 years and am now senior brown + 4 black bars going for first dan in november.
i didn't get it under 16 i got it when i was coming up on my 17th birthday but at my dojo you can opt out of changing to the senior grading system for any reason mine was that i was a junior brown belt when i turned 16 and so wanted my junior black. if you want i could e-mail you a picture of me with the certificate and belt??? :P
Sounds like something specific to your dojo and a lot of bullshit. When you go up in age, you drop down 2 belts and have to wait a year between belts, so at 17, you could get blue, 18 you could get brown and 19 you can get black. Sometimes you can skip that first year, so drop down two belts to green and instantly go for your blue belt. Reading your posts it doesn't sound like you know much about judo at all. Sounds like your training under a coach out to make money with false gradings
@RonnieRocker Because at the time of Carlos Gracie's(Helio Gracies older brother) training it wasn't judo. Mitusyo Maeda (Carlos teacher) was sent by Jigoro Kano(Judo's founder) to spread Judo around the world. At the time he was training Carlos, "Judo" was known as "Kano Ju-Jiutsu" or "Jiu-Do." Later Judo was made the official name by the Japanese government to name the sport that was taught in there schools.
@RonnieRocker Count Maeda (the judoka who taught the Gracie family) referred to his art as jiu jitsu, probably because he learned it before the formalization. The Gracie family use Maeda's translation, and it's stuck since.
@RonnieRocker when the Japanese Judoka came to Brazil, it was called Kano Jiu-Jitsu, not Kano Judo or Judo, so they kept the name but when Kano JiuJitsu was renamed to Judo, the Brazilians had 2 options ... rename it to Judo or take advantage of the situation and name it Gracie JJ or Brazilian JJ for marketing reasons ... and it turns out they were geniuses for keeping it JJ and not Judo.
@RonnieRocker Mitsuyo Maeda who teached Judo to the Gracies called his style "jiu-jitsu" because he was expelled from Kodokan and do not wanted to say he was judoka anymore.
Actually, it was never really referred to as Kano Jujutsu; it was just refereed to as Jujutsu. Kano decided to call it Judo instead of Jujutsu for many reason, the main was that Kano was trying to establish a more systematized style of Japanese Martial arts through the kodokan
Maeda didn't feel his teachings belonged to the Kodokan. He felt he was doing his own thing. So he changed the name back to Jujutsu, which is romanized into Portuguese as Jiu-Jitsu
@Rnt911 Maeda was never expelled from the Kodokan. In fact, he was one of Jigoro Kano's closest friends and one of Kano's handpicked "Judo Ambassadors" to the world.
one miss conception i think is judo isnt ju jitsu judo is ju jitsu judo as i understand it is simply a more sporting way of fighting jujitsu they ve removed leg locks, back locks, strikes, and neck hyper extensions . brought in ipon so you can win from a throw if ipon isn`t scored you ground fight judo simply means gentle way .. gentle way of fighting ju jitsu but it advance way past jitsu with a 100 yrs of comp`s.. and you are right bjj is from the kadokan bjj is judo back to jitsu
However Judo is one of the offspring of traditional Japanese Ju-Jitsu. Also I've noticed since the first Ultimate Fighting that their takedowns sometimes do a look a little like the double legs that I learned in high school wrestling. Also they use sit outs when they're on the bottom. It's one of Judo's weaknesses that the bottom man isn't really taught very much in the way of reversal, and escape, except to get out of a pin.
Yeah, Greco-Roman wrestling is also a big influence in MMA. Even Royce Gracie suffered defeats in the octogon. Bottom line: No one style is enough to carry you through an MMA carreer. Its MIXED martial arts. That said, all disciplines have badass techniques that can be well used,
you haven't done much judo have you after six years of judo i have found my favourite place is the bottom because you full use of 4 limbs and your back whereas your opponent may only have 2 arms because legs and body are being used for the pin..
I've done Judo since 1991 not counting 1986 at Naval Training Center San Diego where I first tried it for a month before one of the blackbelts who happened to be a wrestling coach invited me to his wrestling practice.
When his wrestling program got cut at the jr. college he invited me to his Judo practice in Kearny Mesa San Diego. There I started my Judo experience, but certain wrestling habits remained with me for better or worse such as I don't like working off my back. I know it's a handicapp in Judo, but maybe everything happens for a reason. However if someone were to coach me on my back(such as a Brazilian Ju-Jitsu guy), and obligate me to only work off my back for a period of time, then who knows.
working off your back in judo is so much fun there is such a variety of things you can do triangle strangle, straight arm bar, figure four arm lock, the list goes on but it is all about positioning and leverage.
Does he slip an Ezekiel choke in there towards the end? I think he tried an arm bar with his legs as well at one stage. Regardless I think the guy on the bottom had no idea what to do which leads me to believe it's more likely a mixed martial arts contest NOT an MMA match.
Haha yeah I just realised what I wrote was a bit ridiculous...... What I should of said was open martial arts contest not an MMA match as we know them today where most fighters can fight standing as well as on the ground.
well in international championships, national championships, interclub tournaments, randori
ive seen everywhere judoka tapping out as a sign of surrender while being pinned... they just run out of strenght and stamina and have a bad feeling when they cant move the pinning judoka and then they give up
i understand giving up when u have a kata gatame on u... but ive seen giving up to yoko shiho gatame
it was judo, in bjj you cant win from a hold down whereas in judo you can, the gi's that are worn havent got patches on so the chances are they are judo gi's. But i wouldnt say it was judo vs mma, both look like judoka, and both throw a few kicks. So I have to say GJJfan your absolutely right.
yep! 2 many people talk shit here, they just post there favorite style beating a style they hate ie kung fu or judo beating mma, bjj or shooto cos they r narrow minded & cant xcept change or progress & they want to 'proove'trad is better
Nice way to get more views asshole. There is no MMA here obviously if it were a pure Judo guy against a guy who new variety of arts the MMA guy would have won.
Im a white belt in jj n I have beat orange,green,blue belts n allmost beat a purple belt but the purple belt dint also beat me n he end up more tired than me
This was Interesting I myself was a wrestler for a number of years, and I am not sure why the man on bottem attempted to bridge towards his opponent and not away... otherwise, worth the watch
@heliojanusz , it means scarf hold and yes it is very difficult to escape from, In Judo if you catch one leg the hold is broken, there are a couple of escapes but they dont always work - especially if your opponent is expecting them,
Funny peopel think Judo sucks.. lets see in a REAL street fight 1v1. id bet on a Judoka over almost anything.. one good throw on concrete and you will not be getting up wanting more.
Los dos muestran un buen nivel de combate, cual es el de judo y cual es el de MMA??, mucha más técnica de agarre y fuerza en la proyección el de la cinta blanca, buen video de 4.7 estrellas, saludos :)
I have a 3rd dan in Judo. What really bother me about this board is that 98% of the posters are very opinionated about their art. There is a big lack of truth. MMA is the most effective method of fair fighting that exists. But Frank Shamrock once said if someone pulled a knife on him he would run. My point is that self defense and martial arts have different purposes. My priority has shifted from MMA to self defense. I did quit BJJ and Judo to train in MMA for 5 years. Good luck to all.
Stay down you tapout punk... Stay down... It will all be over soon... Dont try and fight it, just stay down... There... That wasnt so bad was it? Now shut the fuck up!! LOL OWNED
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haha fuck mma bitches think their all cool sporting their tapout shirts like they fucking know something?!?! street fight theres no rules, a good hold down will suck your power while you wiggle like a little fish gasping 4 air , judo ownz!!!!
lol i like mma but ur absolutely right i fuckin hate when little fags walk around with tapout shit and they dont evn no how to fight haha but im BJJ all the way! :]
keep in mind, those who can actually fight can still own you in the streets. it's not the style or the tapout clothing that makes a fighter, it's the person with the good fighting skill.
kinda like a boxing match, so you may be the smarter fighter with the good techniques but your punches are weak. If you fight against someone who can throw a barrage of power punches who doesn't have as good of a technique as you do and can get through your defense can, they can knock you down.
MMA is = Mix Martial Arts and often the people use Judo mixed with something that is punch and kick like Karate. So Judo VS MMA is not make sence for the me xP
There's no kicking in Judo. This may be Jujitsu.
blastermitch 2 months ago
@blastermitch its called de ashi barai.. its not a kick .. its a foot sweep
MrToco93 1 month ago
@MrToco93 I know what de ashi is. It's the first move you learn at my school. I meant the guy with the red sash who is kicking. The Judo guy also looks like he throws in a couple of low kicks to the knee though.
blastermitch 1 month ago
No chance
Grappling always triumphs, in this case Judo wins.
Oneshot112 4 months ago
this is not mma
juju52able 6 months ago
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Chomper310 6 months ago
Cool match! Looks like a sport jujutsu tournament. I take it the red belt is some sorta Karate/JJJ fighter? He didn't seem to have much takedown defense or newaza against the judoka.
elguapotetigre 8 months ago
相手弱すぎ…。
forestomox 8 months ago
Judo better?
KaszkaPL 10 months ago
@KaszkaPL yeah judo is badass
momo200090 1 month ago
Y eso que el judoca era sólo cinta blanca.
dendrix01 10 months ago
teo5dokos + Judo = LOVE . JUDO ROCKS MEN!!! Learn judo guys.
Judo = The gentle way.
Judo = THE BEST MARTIAL ART.
teo5dokos 11 months ago
Actually, Judo is if any thing from ju jitsu. Any art with "do"means the gentle way. For instance, In judo your goal is not to hurt your apponant but to gently submit him. Ju Jitsu on the other hand any art with itsu is a deadly martial art where instead of gently submiting them you break there arm and crush there wind pipe. The founders of Karate and judo studied together and neither is a form or from kung fu. Like akido for instance is gentle, Akibujitsu is more painfull.
boromaniac01 1 year ago
@boromaniac01 "Ju" means Soft or Gentle. Do translate as "the way" as in the path we follow. Jitsu tanslates roughly as "the Art". Karates Chinese roots are undisputable, since its Founder Gichin Funakoshi wrote about it in his books. They are even able to trace some of the forms back to their Chinese roots. At one time "Kara" meant Chinese/China and Karate meant China hand, but Funakoshi changed the Kanji for it and now we know it as Karatedo "The way of Empty Hands".
kirokyukan 1 year ago
@boromaniac01 Although some styles of Jitsu may have more dangerous techniques, such is the case with Judo/Ju Jitsu, but this has little relation to their Do/Jitsu origins and nothing to do with "Ju". The differences were brought on mostly by injuries and Kanos desire to promote his art as a sport. The Ju from both schools is simply referring to the way a style is used. Instead of meeting force with force, practitioners of any "Ju" art are fighters that can use their opponents force against them
kirokyukan 1 year ago
hey this guy is week gesa gatame but any how he won the match
abdullahabdulaziz1 1 year ago
another gay porn video on youtube....useless
albmyslim 1 year ago
@albmyslim
Only if you have homosexual fantasies.
I saw nothing homosexual in this. I saw beautiful skill. Beautiful takedown from an obvious experienced Judoka. And an EXCELLENT pin! ANd great submission!
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@albmyslim wow how bout you fight one of these guys. see how gay it is then
AFYaznninja24 1 year ago
@AFYaznninja24 I could beat both of them.
neomysterio 1 year ago
esto no es bjj
JABVIZ 1 year ago
damn! if he threw his ass
he would get paralyzed with those cheap ass mats!
dingyQLF 1 year ago
Interesting. What was the ruleset here? What kind of competition was it?
ooogooman 1 year ago
Ugly footwork
akirafactor 1 year ago
it isn't mma
elsuplementos 1 year ago
the only reason i even clicked on this video was to say wtf that is the most retarded ignorant title i have seen in a while
bill0chatham 1 year ago
Should of taken him into side control after the Kesa, much stronger position.
LeviAAA 1 year ago
@LeviAAA Dont throw your technicalities at me Judo is not FROM ju jitsu which is what i fucking said dont try and be a hero and correct me what i said still stands Kano did not get his techniques from ju jitsu go read up wikipedia some more
djterrortee 1 year ago
@djterrortee obviously you know nothing about judo or BJJ. BJJ came from Count Koma who was a representative of the Kodokan. Kano's Judo came from Japanese Ju Jitsu, focusing more on stand up than newaza. Koma's Judo was more newaza based. I suggest the internet to expand your knowledge you moron.
LeviAAA 1 year ago
...in real mma this sort of choke or block is seldom used becouse the bottom guy go back with legs to creat space and then he break your back and ribs with knees and free punch
ParkFight 1 year ago
kien gano, judo o el otro?
caxeito 1 year ago
of course hes wearing a gi, everyone knows judo is almost useless without it.
hazard2000 2 years ago
@hazard2000 Ah but in a real fight people have a tendency to wear clothes. mma should have gi based bouts as well as the current underwear ones. It would be far more interesting.
grahamhg 2 years ago
Unfortunately the old UFC days are gone and ain't coming back. It was a grand experiment and taught alot but it's based on what the average joe wants to see now and expecially what he'll pay to see. You're probably in the minority when it comes to wanting to see bouts with the gi in MMA.
MrMZaccone 2 years ago
Its a shame. Judo would be the primary takedown art if it was in gi (imagine regular ippon throws in mma!) So much of the fighters arsenal is restricted without clothing.
grahamhg 2 years ago
Yeah, that's why I continue to train with and wthout the gi. Too many MMA proponents seem to think they've developed a fighting style rather than a sport. Not so much.
MrMZaccone 2 years ago
I agree, you wouldn't exactly shoot double legs in a street fight...
grahamhg 2 years ago
Depends, I might. Especially if I were better at a double leg. It's as good a way to drop a guy on his head as a good "Ippon" judo throw. I try not to limit my option beyind not confusing myself.
MrMZaccone 2 years ago
Personaly I think it's a bit risky. If the guy you're fighting has any experience, then there's a good chance of getting elbow dropped in the spine.
grahamhg 2 years ago
Alot of guys tried that elbow to the spine in the early UFCs and it never amounted to anything. You need a well balanced position and good follow through to pull it off, neither of which are available while defending a decent double leg. I've also seen it used in several Gracie challenge matches to no avail and had very experienced guys suggest it to me until they actually tried it. Try it out with a partner, you'll see what I mean.
MrMZaccone 2 years ago
Unfortunately at the moment I can't, my grappling and sparring classes are seperate. I'm a judoka, and recently have started muay thai/boxing/savate. Its in am mma gym, but the mma guys don't train on the same day as me. I've done a bit of BJJ (1.5 years) as well but as part of the judo club rather than an mma gym.
grahamhg 2 years ago
That's too bad. You should try to find an environment that at least part of the time allows a certain amount of experimentation. I found it's the only way to really know what's going to work and in what context. If you watch the Orlando Weit - Robert Lucarelli match from UFC 2. You'll see Weit drop several elbows into Lucarelli's spine to very little effect. It's not until he gets a clean one into the back of the skull that it works. I was surprised too but reality is what it is.
MrMZaccone 2 years ago
but a good Tawara Gaeshi is designed for it. and work every time.When done correctly.
lve4lvn2 1 year ago
What doesn't work every time "when done correctly"? ... and what the heck are you talking about, a counter for the double leg? Yes, everything can be countered when NOT "done correctly". lol.
MrMZaccone 1 year ago
@MrMZaccone LOL true. I was detering the people out there who consider the first attempt's failure as a suggestion to truly learn how something is doen right then applying it to the correct situation. although. Tawara Gaeshi is very hard to mess up.
lve4lvn2 1 year ago
@lve4lvn2 It's all about having the right counter at the right time and not getting caught behind in the race to apply it. "All warfare is based on deception" - Sun Tzu.
MrMZaccone 1 year ago
thus the attacking points of judo, timing and balance.
lve4lvn2 1 year ago
The arsenal is restricted to the fighter. ippon does not need or require the gi. Any true student knows that judo is the movement of the body not the clothes that one wears.
lve4lvn2 1 year ago 12
Unfortunately, that's seldom how it's taught. Nice wishful thinking though, hope that works out for you.
MrMZaccone 1 year ago
Teaching things from one generation to the next allways seems to be an issue.
lve4lvn2 1 year ago
Almost every judo throw has a no-gi form... Its just that most schools fail to teach them.
BakaYaru13 2 years ago
Yes, all of the high percentage throws can be used without the gi, you just need to use wrestling grips.
grahamhg 2 years ago
First you need to have been taught wrestling grips. Unfortunately, not all judo instructors will or even know how to do this.
MrMZaccone 1 year ago
@hazard2000 The gi is an extra tool we can bring into the match. Every judo throw can be done and worked without a gi. just like the majority of this clip they are grabbing onto the gi's. It does not define the techniques.
lve4lvn2 1 year ago
Interesting match! I love these cross style clashes.
Also, it takes some balls to go outside of your rule-set, and try something harder (because it's more specialised).
theshninja 2 years ago
the techniques used: okuri ashi barai (0:20), tai otoshi (0:21), kesa gatame (0:23), ude hishigi ashi gatame (0:35). Possible shimewaza for ippon.
anon69 2 years ago
you cant just say mma...wtf the dude had a belt on so he wasnt representing mma, looks like a judo competition
hooah91 2 years ago
of course he has a belt on, its Judo rules he has to he might be an MMA fighter who knows
hazard2000 2 years ago
@hazard2000 right but thats not my point my point is you cant just have Judo vs MMA since MMA is MIXED Martial arts, he obviously takes Judo is his training, he might fight mma, but from the look of it i highly doubt it, hes doing almost everything wrong in that position to get out and not get submitted
hooah91 2 years ago
judo always wins
313weldo313 2 years ago
Judo didnt win, obviously the MMA fighter won thats why hes the one with the whitebelt, hes probably never even used that GI before untill he entered a judo competion
hazard2000 2 years ago
you dont know what your talking about get out of here
313weldo313 2 years ago
...as usual!
generalfeng 2 years ago
Judo
thepieman2005 2 years ago
ok so who won?
Mider999 2 years ago
nice throw and immobilization :)
josecarlos1955 2 years ago
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ok let me correct myself...MODERN kung fu is derived from karate.
serMMAguy 2 years ago
Karate is only a couple hundred years old. Kung Fu's history dates back to the days of Buddha.
glutn4punshmnt 2 years ago
No karate's roots came from China, and Kung fu but Kung Fu is a whole other MA
glock70 2 years ago
funny how kung fu could derive from a style that was derived from wushu/kung fu.... This isn't some Uroboros that eats itself to say it's a new invention... but everyone's an expert on youtube, right?
rxanjinxc 2 years ago
the throw was a tai otoshi followed up by a kesa gatame pin am I right?
ThomasMin1988 2 years ago
wtf u dumbass der1mit, karate is japanese, the worlds first martial arts, geez u r a smartass, god
NeverBackDown4evar 2 years ago
karate is derived from kung fu.Karate arrived on the scene very late compared to other matial arts
billysue2 2 years ago
not derived from kung fu. kung fu chinese karate japanese derived from ju jitsu if you read anything from above.
MONK3YKONG 2 years ago
Judo is from ju jitsu but not karate. Karate is from okinawa and i have heard that it has roots from kung fu.
Mangojohan 2 years ago 15
@Mangojohan, Its roots are from Kung Fu mixed with indigenous styles of Okinawa, but as you can see this guy has no roots, he is not rooted & not sure what style he does but it is not Okinawan Karate for sure.
ShorinRyuRonin 1 year ago
@Mangojohan you are correct the style of Karate i study Is uechi it came from the Kung fu style of panganoon
Footbal72 1 year ago
@Mangojohan You are a fukn dropkick, Judo is not from jiu jitsu at all fukwit
motorbikedemon58 1 year ago
@motorbikedemon58 It is from ju jutsu but not brazilian. I think you just misunderstood what I meant since ju jitsu somtimes refers to brazilian ju jitsu but I meant the old samurai martial art ju justu/ju jitsu that Jigaro Kano learnt.
Mangojohan 1 year ago
@motorbikedemon58 Judo is from Ju Jitsu, Jiu Jitsu is from Fusen Judo.
LeviAAA 1 year ago
@motorbikedemon58 judo is a branch of jujitsu
Bryankoenig52 1 year ago
@Mangojohan Yeah Okinawan Karate has its roots from stuff like the Crane Form. Okianwan Karate by the way is pretty nasty arts what i mean is they teach you how to break boards with your fingers YIKES
Mider999 1 year ago
@Mangojohan haha jiu jitsu is from judo not judo from jiu jitsu
xwaaAtlas 1 year ago
@xwaaAtlas judo is from jiu jitsu...
xXDopellangerXx 11 months ago
@xwaaAtlas brazillian jiu jitsu is from judo, but judo is from (japanese) jiu jitsu AKA jujutsu. Thats what he was saying.
GracieBarraMofo 10 months ago
@Mangojohan that's wrong... karate and judo become from jiujitsu.... this two martial arts form the jiujitsu... but in brazil they realize that to win a match you don't need to KO your enemy..... so the new jiujistu there are no kicks or punchs...
Nicopepaldo 8 months ago
@Nicopepaldo i wouldn't apply bjj on the streets cause there you don't have a smooth ground and if there are more than one openent you are kind of fucked up
Btw you will allways need kicks punches usw and grappling because why shouldn't you use everything you can to defeat you opponent
vampirelord1331 8 months ago
@Nicopepaldo no, karate does not come from jujutsu. there are some jujutsu influences in karate, but karate comes from chinese kung fu and the indigenous martial art of okinawa, te.
eamonob84 3 months ago
@Mangojohan
You are correct
Indian Martial arts > Kung Fu > Karate
Chinese Wrestling > Jujitsu (throws) ( don't know where they got their submissions from) > Judo etc
OVERCAPITALIZE 7 months ago
FAIL.
shansleven4000 2 years ago
do some research, karate is derived from kung fu. "the world's first martial art?" so before japan, people used guns?
edbiology 2 years ago
nope it's the other way around kung fu derived from karate
serMMAguy 2 years ago
do u even know what's kung-fu? It literally means martial arts. Kung-fu includes thousands of different arts, started five thousands years ago when there is no japan. Many kung-fu derived from animal movements, like snakes, mantis. Kung fus are not widely practiced because china was not open to the world until recent years.
edbiology 2 years ago
good fight
yin0625 2 years ago
BJJ comes from Judo anyway, not Ju-Jitsu. It is essentially Kodokan Judo. Jigoro Kano sent Mitsuyo Maeda, who was one of the top groundwork technicians in Judo, to Brazil to teach Judo... Maeda never learned JJ... only Sumo and Judo.
Incidentally, there is no record in the Kodokan of any Gracie brother being Dan graded.
BJJ has a great lineage, but it's not Ju-Jitsu!
seproma 2 years ago 5
It's weird that they named it Brazilian Jiu Jitsu (BJJ) though, and not Brazilian Judo (BJ)...
RonnieRocker 2 years ago 9
In the early days Judo was also known as "Kano Jiu Jitsu". The issue is further confused because when translated to english, etc Judo and Jiu Jitsu are very similar in meaning. But Seproma is right about BJJ starting from Maedas' Judo.
scottmck72 2 years ago 3
but judo is originated from jiu jitsu when it was split into it's 2 disciplines karate and judo. and going furthur back jiujitsu was used by samurai in the fight to combat ninjitsu on early chinese history.
MONK3YKANG 2 years ago
I don't think Karate is derived from Jiu jitsu. Its Okinawan. Some claim its based on the influence of a form of Chinese Kung fu that came with the chan (zen) buddhists to Okinawa. Other Chinese influences in Okinawa and Japan are the Kanji characters and some of the food. Still others say that the Okinawans developed karate to defend against Samurai attacks. Either way - Judo and BJJ are forms of Jiu jitsu. Judo is about restraint but techniques can easily be adapted. (see karo parisyan)
sexy6string 2 years ago
wtf?
What are you talking about?
Karate is coming out of chinese martial arts, jiu jutsu and judo are japanese!
der1mit2den3haaren 2 years ago
sorry i meant japanese i was proberbly quite tired at the point of writing that post i have studied judo for 6 years achieving junior black in 4 years and am now senior brown + 4 black bars going for first dan in november.
MONK3YKANG 2 years ago
you cant get a black belt under16 in judo
billysue2 2 years ago
i didn't get it under 16 i got it when i was coming up on my 17th birthday but at my dojo you can opt out of changing to the senior grading system for any reason mine was that i was a junior brown belt when i turned 16 and so wanted my junior black. if you want i could e-mail you a picture of me with the certificate and belt??? :P
MONK3YKONG 2 years ago
Sounds like something specific to your dojo and a lot of bullshit. When you go up in age, you drop down 2 belts and have to wait a year between belts, so at 17, you could get blue, 18 you could get brown and 19 you can get black. Sometimes you can skip that first year, so drop down two belts to green and instantly go for your blue belt. Reading your posts it doesn't sound like you know much about judo at all. Sounds like your training under a coach out to make money with false gradings
BroomeBlocker3 2 years ago
yo shouldn´t, but you can, only thing is that concerning administration you can´t be a federate black belt under 16
patrickangus16 2 years ago
u r a dumbass, karate if fukin japanese u-durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
NeverBackDown4evar 2 years ago
@RonnieRocker Because at the time of Carlos Gracie's(Helio Gracies older brother) training it wasn't judo. Mitusyo Maeda (Carlos teacher) was sent by Jigoro Kano(Judo's founder) to spread Judo around the world. At the time he was training Carlos, "Judo" was known as "Kano Ju-Jiutsu" or "Jiu-Do." Later Judo was made the official name by the Japanese government to name the sport that was taught in there schools.
daridp 1 year ago
@RonnieRocker Count Maeda (the judoka who taught the Gracie family) referred to his art as jiu jitsu, probably because he learned it before the formalization. The Gracie family use Maeda's translation, and it's stuck since.
Dynaman21 1 year ago
@RonnieRocker when the Japanese Judoka came to Brazil, it was called Kano Jiu-Jitsu, not Kano Judo or Judo, so they kept the name but when Kano JiuJitsu was renamed to Judo, the Brazilians had 2 options ... rename it to Judo or take advantage of the situation and name it Gracie JJ or Brazilian JJ for marketing reasons ... and it turns out they were geniuses for keeping it JJ and not Judo.
pcjudosambo 1 year ago
@RonnieRocker Mitsuyo Maeda who teached Judo to the Gracies called his style "jiu-jitsu" because he was expelled from Kodokan and do not wanted to say he was judoka anymore.
Rnt911 1 year ago
@Rnt911 no it wasent dummy
back then judo was called "kano jui juitsu" not judo
so it would be weird calling with "Brazillean judo"if the name didnt even exist.
source: lots of books
dingyQLF 1 year ago
@dingyQLF What books?
skrimpshidy 1 year ago
@dingyQLF
Actually, it was never really referred to as Kano Jujutsu; it was just refereed to as Jujutsu. Kano decided to call it Judo instead of Jujutsu for many reason, the main was that Kano was trying to establish a more systematized style of Japanese Martial arts through the kodokan
Maeda didn't feel his teachings belonged to the Kodokan. He felt he was doing his own thing. So he changed the name back to Jujutsu, which is romanized into Portuguese as Jiu-Jitsu
shoulung 1 year ago
@Rnt911 Maeda was never expelled from the Kodokan. In fact, he was one of Jigoro Kano's closest friends and one of Kano's handpicked "Judo Ambassadors" to the world.
BloodofPatriots 1 year ago
@RonnieRocker Cause it sounds wrong
defiler90 1 year ago
one miss conception i think is judo isnt ju jitsu judo is ju jitsu judo as i understand it is simply a more sporting way of fighting jujitsu they ve removed leg locks, back locks, strikes, and neck hyper extensions . brought in ipon so you can win from a throw if ipon isn`t scored you ground fight judo simply means gentle way .. gentle way of fighting ju jitsu but it advance way past jitsu with a 100 yrs of comp`s.. and you are right bjj is from the kadokan bjj is judo back to jitsu
wheelerdealer66 2 years ago
I don't get what's the point... Judo comes from jujitsu. Doesn't that make the connection?
qwertical 2 years ago
However Judo is one of the offspring of traditional Japanese Ju-Jitsu. Also I've noticed since the first Ultimate Fighting that their takedowns sometimes do a look a little like the double legs that I learned in high school wrestling. Also they use sit outs when they're on the bottom. It's one of Judo's weaknesses that the bottom man isn't really taught very much in the way of reversal, and escape, except to get out of a pin.
teachyoung 2 years ago
Yeah, Greco-Roman wrestling is also a big influence in MMA. Even Royce Gracie suffered defeats in the octogon. Bottom line: No one style is enough to carry you through an MMA carreer. Its MIXED martial arts. That said, all disciplines have badass techniques that can be well used,
sexy6string 2 years ago
you haven't done much judo have you after six years of judo i have found my favourite place is the bottom because you full use of 4 limbs and your back whereas your opponent may only have 2 arms because legs and body are being used for the pin..
MONK3YKANG 2 years ago
I've done Judo since 1991 not counting 1986 at Naval Training Center San Diego where I first tried it for a month before one of the blackbelts who happened to be a wrestling coach invited me to his wrestling practice.
teachyoung 2 years ago
When his wrestling program got cut at the jr. college he invited me to his Judo practice in Kearny Mesa San Diego. There I started my Judo experience, but certain wrestling habits remained with me for better or worse such as I don't like working off my back. I know it's a handicapp in Judo, but maybe everything happens for a reason. However if someone were to coach me on my back(such as a Brazilian Ju-Jitsu guy), and obligate me to only work off my back for a period of time, then who knows.
teachyoung 2 years ago
working off your back in judo is so much fun there is such a variety of things you can do triangle strangle, straight arm bar, figure four arm lock, the list goes on but it is all about positioning and leverage.
MONK3YKONG 2 years ago
the judo guy should have held his leg so that there were tighter squeez on the head
tonio5121 2 years ago
kesa gatame !
guntig 2 years ago
white belt is judo
JudoAccount 2 years ago
Does he slip an Ezekiel choke in there towards the end? I think he tried an arm bar with his legs as well at one stage. Regardless I think the guy on the bottom had no idea what to do which leads me to believe it's more likely a mixed martial arts contest NOT an MMA match.
smithysquest 2 years ago
MMA stands for Mixed Martial Arts... smithysquest!
seproma 2 years ago
Haha yeah I just realised what I wrote was a bit ridiculous...... What I should of said was open martial arts contest not an MMA match as we know them today where most fighters can fight standing as well as on the ground.
smithysquest 2 years ago
well in international championships, national championships, interclub tournaments, randori
ive seen everywhere judoka tapping out as a sign of surrender while being pinned... they just run out of strenght and stamina and have a bad feeling when they cant move the pinning judoka and then they give up
i understand giving up when u have a kata gatame on u... but ive seen giving up to yoko shiho gatame
Good1Embiko 2 years ago
in judo u will see ppl tap out while being pinned
Good1Embiko 2 years ago
that can't be judo, their uniforms are too tight, like in brazilian jiujitsu. judo is more loose fitting.
d34dl34f 3 years ago
it was judo, in bjj you cant win from a hold down whereas in judo you can, the gi's that are worn havent got patches on so the chances are they are judo gi's. But i wouldnt say it was judo vs mma, both look like judoka, and both throw a few kicks. So I have to say GJJfan your absolutely right.
hampton82000 3 years ago
Thats just Judo v Judo.
Cheedillow 3 years ago 2
yep! 2 many people talk shit here, they just post there favorite style beating a style they hate ie kung fu or judo beating mma, bjj or shooto cos they r narrow minded & cant xcept change or progress & they want to 'proove'trad is better
donnienlefty 2 years ago
BTW, which is supposed to be which?? I dislike it when they say "this guy vs this guy" but WHO THE HELL IS WHICH??? LOL
GJJFan 3 years ago 2
Nice way to get more views asshole. There is no MMA here obviously if it were a pure Judo guy against a guy who new variety of arts the MMA guy would have won.
dhfdfhdfh 3 years ago 4
Im a white belt in jj n I have beat orange,green,blue belts n allmost beat a purple belt but the purple belt dint also beat me n he end up more tired than me
lordsneak 3 years ago
This was Interesting I myself was a wrestler for a number of years, and I am not sure why the man on bottem attempted to bridge towards his opponent and not away... otherwise, worth the watch
packypride 3 years ago
El judo es el mejor deporte que existe.
helmmaodemartelo 3 years ago 4
white vs red belt? Doesn't seem fair.
anarchy22x 3 years ago 2
The white and red belt is only for the scorings... in a judo fight the belt does not matter... it's only usefull to close your kimono.
utopis 3 years ago 2
Big mistake letting the catch hi leg whilst he had him in Kesa Gatame, luckily he got away with it.
gustard33 3 years ago
Do you know Judo? Kesa Gatame, meaning scarf lock in Judo. Once secured, it is really hard to get out of.
heliojanusz 3 years ago
@heliojanusz , it means scarf hold and yes it is very difficult to escape from, In Judo if you catch one leg the hold is broken, there are a couple of escapes but they dont always work - especially if your opponent is expecting them,
gustard33 1 year ago
basic kaza katame hold
nitcan 3 years ago
Funny peopel think Judo sucks.. lets see in a REAL street fight 1v1. id bet on a Judoka over almost anything.. one good throw on concrete and you will not be getting up wanting more.
Brazilianjj 3 years ago 14
brazil, true dat. the best gracie grappler out there right (roger gracie) now does judo extensively along with bjj kuz bjj has its limitations.
dragonspiderchamp 3 years ago 2
the best gracie is rickson
sasha28192 3 years ago
No, the grandmaster Helio.
R.I.P
heliojanusz 3 years ago
DID HELIO GRACIE DIE
YAAAAAY!
khaledonia 3 years ago
lol YAY!!!
Good1Embiko 2 years ago
best and most overrated Gracie
xxgunslingerxx 2 years ago
dunno y i got 5 thumbs down for saying rickson is the best, cant be his brothers as there the ones who say it
sasha28192 2 years ago
aikido :)
akumayoukai 3 years ago
Judo is more technical. aikido is a bunch of stuff not practiced at full resistance..so its not that effective. although they do do throws too.
Brazilianjj 3 years ago
Los dos muestran un buen nivel de combate, cual es el de judo y cual es el de MMA??, mucha más técnica de agarre y fuerza en la proyección el de la cinta blanca, buen video de 4.7 estrellas, saludos :)
wejaro 3 years ago
el de cinturon blanco es de judo
4c00h 3 years ago
El de la cinturon blanco es del Judo.
gustard33 3 years ago
I have a 3rd dan in Judo. What really bother me about this board is that 98% of the posters are very opinionated about their art. There is a big lack of truth. MMA is the most effective method of fair fighting that exists. But Frank Shamrock once said if someone pulled a knife on him he would run. My point is that self defense and martial arts have different purposes. My priority has shifted from MMA to self defense. I did quit BJJ and Judo to train in MMA for 5 years. Good luck to all.
carribbeandreams2004 3 years ago 5
Stay down you tapout punk... Stay down... It will all be over soon... Dont try and fight it, just stay down... There... That wasnt so bad was it? Now shut the fuck up!! LOL OWNED
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ShinyPonyta 3 years ago
haha fuck mma bitches think their all cool sporting their tapout shirts like they fucking know something?!?! street fight theres no rules, a good hold down will suck your power while you wiggle like a little fish gasping 4 air , judo ownz!!!!
basedeal 3 years ago
lol i like mma but ur absolutely right i fuckin hate when little fags walk around with tapout shit and they dont evn no how to fight haha but im BJJ all the way! :]
123456jrf 3 years ago 2
keep in mind, those who can actually fight can still own you in the streets. it's not the style or the tapout clothing that makes a fighter, it's the person with the good fighting skill.
HomedudePedroski 3 years ago
kinda like a boxing match, so you may be the smarter fighter with the good techniques but your punches are weak. If you fight against someone who can throw a barrage of power punches who doesn't have as good of a technique as you do and can get through your defense can, they can knock you down.
HomedudePedroski 3 years ago
Judo rocks man.I never seen a judo guy lose in these videos.Only one time but the other times we always won.Judoka untill i die.
learti1 3 years ago
MMA in a gi? lol?
Flyup7 3 years ago
nice hold judoka :-)
judoguy307 3 years ago 2
MMA is = Mix Martial Arts and often the people use Judo mixed with something that is punch and kick like Karate. So Judo VS MMA is not make sence for the me xP
Kaori303 3 years ago
nicely done
billyhay 3 years ago