Im a oneness pentecostal and I must say that you made a great example in the defense of the trinity in my opinion mathematically. BUT paul said there is but one Lord. how then does The Lord say to mt Lord. how do we have two Lords in heaven? Which Lord is talking throughout the old testament saying there is none beside me? How can we distinguish between these three persons in the OT when they never distinguish between themselves.
Thank you brother for your comment. In the Old Testament they do distinguish between each other: check out my video "Trinity Proven", because it has more details. "The Lord said to My Lord, 'sit down until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet". "Let US make man in OUR image in OUR likeness". In the Bible, when it mentions One Lord and One God it is emphasizing the Oneness of God. When the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinguished, the Bible is showing all three.
What? 1:08 says infinite love shared between Father and His self -conception is the Holy spirit. There is a Hierarchy in which Jesus speaks of were God is first,he is his messenger and those who follow him also believe in God. God Almighty is the father of Adam, Jeremiah all those who have come before Jesus were also known as sons of God. Suppose Jesus was God, that would mean God prays to God, what God is above God that he deserves prayer from Almighty God? John 5:41-44 Only God! please read.
"I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth is
come, he will guide you unto all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me".
The Sprit of Truth, spoken about in this prophecy referes to none other than Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
Actually the Spirit of Truth literally refers to the Spirit of Truth. And this Spirit was not revealed 600 years later, but only some 50 days later when the Holy Spirit descended on the Apostles at Pentecost. The Holy Spirit has remained with the Church ever since, leading us into the Truth.
5.) Continued - "Christian" is mentioned, actually. The Bible is not about a religion like Islam or Hinduism or Taoism. The Bible is about a relationship between the True and Living God and humankind.
In Islam Jesus is a Prophet. Muslims pray to the God jesus prayed to.
In order to be a 'Christian' it means one has to be a 'follower of Jesus'.
And in order to be a 'follower of Jesus' one must 'fall on his face and pray' to the One unseen God Almighty .......... as Jesus himself did in the Bible.
It also explains how SEVEN TRUTHS have been revealed to humanity in this same time period. Each of these truths has been presented to humanity as ONE OR MORE RELIGIONS. The first five of these truths have formed the mystical understanding of the five great religions of the world, namely, Far East religions (Hinduism, Buddhism, and any other mystical teaching on earth), Judaism, Christianity, Islam and The Baha'i Faith.
You see, God has no cause. He IS the cause. We live in a universe with three dimensions of space and one dimension of time. Because of time, everything that is an effect must have a cause, for effects follow causes. However, God is the creator of time and exists transcendant to time and therefore does not need a cause. He is the ONE AND ONLY SELF-EXISTENT BEING. He is the GREAT I AM.
Thank you for your reply. Yes I agree with you Jesus is God!!!! What a revelation. That's what I had always been taught, but I couldn't find it for myself. May God Bless you for teaching this message!
You're right that He is the Son of God, but He is also God. It's called the Trinity. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. Not three gods, but One, eternally subsisting in three divine persons (Matthew 28:19, Luke 1:35, 1 Peter 1:2, 2 Cor. 13:14).
Also, Jesus claims to be God no fewer than one dozen times. For example in the Gospel of John He claims to be YHWH eight times: in John 6:35, John 8:12, John 10:9, John 11:25, John 14:6, John 15:1, John 10:11-14, and JOHN 8:58.
I believe that Jesus is the Son of God, the messiah, my savior. I've read all of these scriptures, and to me they still do not say that Jesus is God. I'm trying to research, but I believe this trinity message came recently in christian history. I don't feel that it affects my salvation as long as I believe he is the Son of God and died for my sins. If we would turn our tv/preachers off and read the bible for ourselves, it says something different that what is being taught in church. Thoughts?
Well, I understand what you are saying, and I can feel your sentiments (especially about the importance of knowing God for ourselves and not from another source), but the Trinity is truly the revelation of God.
If you haven't yet seen my channel's featured video, I hope you will, and in its entirety ("God and the Trinity Proven and Explained").
The Bible begins with Trinity (Genesis 1:1-3) and culminates with the Trinity in the Gospel. Jesus is conceived with the revelation of the Trinity (Luke 1:35), He is baptized with the revelation of the Trinity (in ALL three synoptic gospels--Matthew, Mark, and Luke) and His ministry ends with the revelation of the Trinity (Matthew 28:19).
"God" is, as you know, a generic term. To Muslims Allah is god. To Hindus Brahman is god. To the Greeks Zeus was a god. But to Jews and Christians YHWH is God (I AM WHO I AM). YHWH is the personal name God gave to Moses at the Burning Bush. It is this name Jesus calls Himself EIGHT times in John. Romans says, in addition to baptism, that declaring Jesus "LORD", is necessary for salvation, so I very much think that believing Jesus is not only your Saviour, but also your God IS very important.
The Trinity is NOT a recent invention. Historically, the Church has always held this belief. Even in its absolute, precise terminology the Trinity doctrine has existed as it is since 325 A.D.. The Trinity is absolutely proven in Matthew 28:19.
The only Christian sects that say Jesus is not God or there is not the Trinity are the Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, and Unitarians.
But he was created as he spent time in a womb and was born naturally. The other thing I can't get my head around is why would God need to die in the physical sense for our sins when he was the one who created us knowing we would sin in the first place. I must tell you if Christians could answer these questions I would be a Christian however I can't seem to get the answers I want and thats why I converted to Islam as it makes more sense to me.
Let me say first that you are searching and I deeply, deeply want you to know the truth. I will admit that there are two doctrines of the Christian faith that are hard to understand: the Trinity and the Incarnation. However, just because they are hard to understand does not mean they are untrue.
From a logical and philosophical standpoint, God as the Trinity is the only purely logical view of God. This may seem like a far out claim, but it is true. Please watch my channel's featured video in its entirety: "God and the Trinity Proven and Explained".
For your actual questions I would prefer to message you privately if that is ok with you? There is a 500-character limit on the threads. Would that be ok?
God chose to die, but only in the physical, temporal sense, because the spirit-body of God is infinite and immaterial and therefore cannot die.
Christianity teaches that Christ is "begotten not made", so He CANNOT be created. Jesus was the incarnate Son of God, not an indwelling or pure creation.
I appreciate your comment and your encouragement. I would just add that Jesus and the Father are one (John 10:30) because they are a single being, but they are not the same persona (Jesus is God the Son--hence all the scriptures on Him being God's Son, such as Matthew 28:19).
God the Son is a perfect reflection of God the Father (Hebrews 1:3), and this is why Jesus says what He says in 14:9.
Jesus is the Father,he said to Philip,you have seen me,from now on you have seen the Father
People forget the Bible was written in Hebrew,Greek and Latin when Jesus spoke Aramaic
When Jesus was comforting his apostles,he said it was best he went to the cross so that he could return to the Father then he would return to his apostles but it should have stated He would return to Being the Father
Just as it is written,he will return soon, should have been stated he will definitely return
Isaiah 9:6 onto us a son is given,he will be called Mighty God,Everlasting Father and wonderful Councelor:which is the Holy Spirit
When Jesus said he would not leave his apostles orphans,but would send the Holy Spirit to them,that on the day they experience the Holy Spirit is when they will see Jesus is in the Father and his apostles are in Him and Jesus is in us
For Jesus went to the Cross because he claimed he is God,rose from the dead to prove it then to teach he is in all people
I am taught by the Holy Spirit which is I experience the presence of Jesus for 19 years in which I know He is with all people on earth John 14:15-20
When Jesus rose from the dead,he said in Matthew 28-18 all authority and power are his,baptise others in the name of the Father,Son and Holy Spirit:which means make people aware that Jesus the creator Father came as God incarnate to teach he is in all people to guide them
for Jesus was the Messiah and there is only one God
The Kingdom of God is that Jesus is with and in all people on earth but those who have faith and trust in him were to request the Holy Spirit who would guide you in all things
The Holy Spirit of truth means the Loving Presence of God
The Father,Son and Holy Spirit is the same identity:Jesus
The poor translations,the early persecutions of the Christians deprived Christians of the mircle of Christianity itself,which is we were invited to experience God's loving realism which brings true Joy
There IS only One God, and that God is One Being in three Persons. Jesus is not the Father, He is the Son. He NEVER says He is the Father, only that He and the Father ARE ONE. As I said before, Jesus is the perfect image and reflection of the Father, but not the Father Himself (hence the verses you cite).
Unitarianism is NOT the truth of God. Our God is single communion of three divine persons of one substance.
...And baptism doesn't mean to "make aware" it means to... BAPTIZE!
The original MSS of the Biblical texts are not written in Latin, they are written in Hebrew, Chaldean, Aramaic, and Koine. I have extensive knowledge in Koine, and I can tell you positively that such verses as Matthew 28:19 are absolute scriptural proof of the Trinity AND NOT UNITARIANISM ("Sharp's Rule of Conjunctive Kai")
There are many ancient scriptures in many different languages for the apostles went throughout the Roman Empire but when Christianity was made their official religion,they put the scriptures into Greek and Latin the 2 offical languages of the Roman Empire
John 10:28 states I gave them eternal life,for I and the Father are One,to which the Jews picked up stones to stone Jesus saying blasphemy,you a mere man claim to be God
John 14:9, you have seen me from now on you have seen the Father
No one comes to the Father except through me,why because Jesus is the Father
Jesus is with all people and he is preparing us for his return,and those who requested the Holy Spirit experience His awesome love,guidance and realism which imparts true immense Joy and Joy is the best way to receive our Lord
The Trinity is easy to understand it is Jesus,who created the world John 1-3,who came as God incarnate known as the Son,to re-teach he is with all people to guide them John 14:15-20,Matthew 28-18
I am happy to encounter a believer as there are thousands of sites that put down Christianity
John the Baptist baptised with Water which is spiritual symbolism,but Jesus baptised with the Holy Spirit and that means,he made people aware of his awesome yet gentle presence
That is your God-given right to experience Him for that is the whole point of going to the cross and rising from the dead,is to tell you He is with you literally
he is talking to jesus, btoh god and jesus exist in out of time!!!!!!! in the spiritual and godly form jesus was a servant of god, he was god too!! when he cam to earth he had to loose all of his godly attrbutes, to become fully human when he cam to try and rescue the true israelites..this is evident in the bible when he prays to god "john 17:5" he is referring to his existance b4 the creation : "the glory i had wit u b4 the world began" --this is clear that jesus is also god, but gods(yhwh) son
Well, how about if we examine ourselves? After all, He created us in His image, His own likeness, right?
- We have a mind that thinks, plans, even creates new thoughts and ideas and then acts on them.
- We have a physical body that carries out the wishes of the mind. (John 5;19 "...the Son can do nothing by himself...whatever the Father does, the Son also does...")
- We have a spirit that can be lifted up in joy or broken by tragedy or torture.
Interesting - just think, you have a Mind, a Body that does the bidding of the Mind, and a Spirit that can affect the mind and body. Three parts, One person!!! Therefore YOU are also a Triune (Three-in-One) being - a "TRINITY" - because God made you that way, in His own Image.
Praise be to God who shows us the Truth. (John 8:32 And you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free)
this is idiocy. 1x1x1 is saying the father of tghe son of the holy spirit. this falsifies the trinity definition and hence only 1+1+1=1 fits the trinity definition.
Actually, the only "idiocy" is your argument. God is not the summation of three parts... in fact... I like your first definition PERFECTLY! The Persons ARE of each other. The Son is of the Father and the Holy Spirit is of the Father and Son.
Finally, the Holy Spirit correlates to faith since faith (like creativity) has no logical precedents and Jesus represents truth or hope for truth. Of course, this divide is more symbolic than it is substantive as you could not have creativity without a creator nor have perfection without truth nor love without creativity, etc. (the parts of God have no form without each other).
Humor me as I attempt to describe my own conception of the trinity (as it conflicts a bit with yours). God himself is the creator of the universe and simultaneously infused throughout it. Jesus is The Word--both God's message to us and the ethical code he expects of us. The Holy Spirit is all human creativity--God's gift to us of his own innate ability to transcend justification and create substance out of nothing.
Thus, the trinity can be thought of as the three ways in which God reveals himself to humanity--through the physical world (God), through communication (oral, written, or otherwise) (Jesus), or through personal inspiration (Holy Spirit). If we were to assign virtuous concepts to each these components of God, it would be God that would correspond to love (not the holy spirit) as it is God that encompasses all things in order to allow them to become one with him.
I find your concept interesting, but the truth is, as is clearly implied in the scriptures, Church fathers, Jesus' own words, etc... that the Trinity is One God in three persons. This has been the penultimate doctrine since "The Great Commission" (Matthew 28:19).
ok i God in 3 persons and they are all God? if that is true then when God said there is no God nither before me nore after me i am the Lord and beside me there is no savior is there a God beside me nay there is no God that would go against teaching dont u think? 2nd i asked was any1 bapstized in 3 names u said yes but no scripture on anyone tat was baptized in 3 names so u r arguing a non exestent scipture no 1 was baptized in 3 names only Jesus name.
I'm not sure what you are aguing about. The Trinity is not a belief in 3 gods, it is a belief in the One True God who exists as three personas. As for baptism in the three names read Matthew 28:19 (Jesus last command on baptism).
ok lets say the trinity is the true doctrin 3 Gods but one in nature? anyways hears a question that many trinity's cant answere or make up the vers in there minds.i want to know in what name was people baptized in water just answere was it 3 or 1 name if your baptism is wrong and it was in 1 name then i guess the trinity consep did come from man and not God?
amazing logic you people have even when Jesus was asked whats the first commandment he said that to worship only one God.
by the way did you Christians know that trinity 1 john 5:7 has been taken out as fabrications by 32 christian scholars in the RSV Bible which was printed in 1952?
You should see the longer video - it explains that verse.
Also, you do not know Jesus. The Jesus of the Quran is different the Jesus of history. The Jesus of the Quran does not exist. The Jesus of history was crucified on a cross close to 2000 years ago. Contemporary and very early Roman, Jewish, Christian and Syrian historians confirm this. The idea that Jesus was not crucified is unsustainable in the face of the historical evidence.
Friend, it is obvious that you have never read the Bible and have relied on inaccurate hearsay comments from others. The whole New Testament is clear that Jesus died. In fact, Jesus himself said that "I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore" (Revelation 1:18)
The Quran contradicts every contemporary historian on this point. Islam requires blind faith to believe that Jesus was not crucified as there is no evidence to support such a notion.
Also a verse in Genesis to keep in mind is in Chapter 3:22-
Then the LORD God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever"
It says "become like one of US". He doesn't say he has become like me
1:48 = ",your God," is a nonessential clause describing whose God the first "God" is; they are the same person. Whether Father or Son is NOT specified. The words "your" and "thee" are what refer to David, and later, Jesus.
1:59 = Jesus is called 'El Gib·bohr′, "Mighty God", not 'El Shad·dai′ (God Almighty). Many are called gods in the Bible, but that doesnt mean they are Jehovah God Almighty (1Cor 8:5; Psa 82:6; Psa 8:5; 2Cor 4:4; Dead Sea Scrolls)
I don't want to get into a big fight. Your Hebrew is lacking, by the way. Before criticizing me further, you should watch my more detailed video on the Trinity from my channel page.
You are right about that. Sadly, hundreds die from stampede and stoning during the yearly pilgrimage to Mecca (apparently the black rock doesn't watch out for its slaves).
One final thought. Why doesn't someone make a bumper sticker that says Genesis - Revelations : Read it !!
Instead of all those bumper stickers about John 3:16 and Acts 2:38 and (Insert favorite scripture here). One scripture doctrines is what has this whole religion thing messed up so much now anyway. Read the whole book and get away from living based on one scripture.
You are absolutely right. The reason the Church is divided by denominations is because each denomination took a particular verse out of context and missed the bigger picture! What really matters is that we believe in One God in three persons, believe in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ, and be baptized into the Church. Everything else, while still important, are still just details.
Sorry if those show up backwards. They are in reverse order on my screen, thus i posted them in reverse so they show up correctly for me. Anyway, it is very easy for me to understand that there is ONE GOD and the 'words' of Son and Spirit are used in an attempt to make it understandable to the normal human thinking mind. If it was put in God's understanding, we would all still be discussing Genesis 1:1.
I am new with all this. I have heard this debate many times in my life of trinity vs. one-ness. It would seem to me fairly simple in the idea that God is an all encompassing spirit. Being the Alpha and Omega; the beginning and the end. I figured it is something like oxygen. How do you measure it? If everyone on the earth were to take a breath and hold it, then a baby were to be born, would that child die due to a lack of oxygen?
If the Oxygen bottling companies were to go into massive overtime would they run out of oxygen to bottle and people begin to die from lack of oxygen? This is how I view God. So he can't be defined in the ways that humans think. We are too limited in our ability to think within the power that makes God. Finally, if we could define God and he is all powerful, then why would it take 3 powers to defeat 1 satan? There never is a discussion about how many satans there are or how he is divided.
The only reason satan has had any success is because God has given sentient beings (angels, demons, humans) free will. We chose to disobey God in the garden and thus satan had his first victory. Satan is a single being, a fallen angel, who used to be the highest ranking angel (the head Seraph) and he convinced one/third of the angels to follow him.
Because you say so? What evidence have you used to prove your point? NONE.
Here is the real truth: the Muslim god "Allah" does not exist, has not existed, and will never exist.
God IS ONE, but He is also three. One in being, nature, substance, and will... three in person. The true, living God is none other than the triune YHWH.
jahcal7, Christians DO NOT believe God is three separate beings. We believe He is ONE God in three persons. Whether you understand this or not, does not change the fact that we believe in ONE GOD.
Now, the Bible is full of proof of the Trinity, watch my video "A Comprehensive Defense of the Trinity".
If U believe 3 as One, In Hinduism they say millions as One. So there is no difference between Hinduism & christianity. All are same except for Numbers
Actually, traditional Hindusim teaches that the millions of 'gods' are actually manifestations of the single god called Brahman. Many Hindus believe this god is a trinity composed of Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva. So they don't say these millions are different persons, but rather that they are different manifestations.
The Holy Bible Authorized KJV -Copyright 1973 By WORD AFLAE PRESS USA at Page 10 :
"The word "trinity" is not found in the Bible. This term, coined by the Roman Catholic in 325AD....is a contradiction, an impossibility, and completely unscriptual"
Actually "Trinity" was first used in 180 AD by Theophilus of Antioch and later by Tertullian. The word was developed to describe what God had revealed of Himself--that He was One God in three persons. This is clearly shown in the Biblical data (both Old and New Testaments). You should watch my video, "A Comprehensive Defense of the Trinity."
There is no TRINITY concept found in Old-testament, nor do the Jews believe in Trinity as 3 in one, these are greek. Nor do the prophets Abrham,Moses, david, john etc preached about trinity...
Well, you are mistaken. The concept of One God in three persons is very frequent in the Old Testament. Even beginning with the first two verses of Genesis. Watch my video "A Comprehensive Defense of the Trinity". And of course the Jews don't believe in the Trinity--if they did they would be Christian! The Trinity was clearly foreshadowed in the Old Testament, but the revelation wasn't complete until the ascension of Jesus Christ.
I used that equation to demonstrate that God can be three in one. Onviously 1 to the power of any positive integer equals 1, but you haven't proven anything. My point was that God can be three in one as demonstrated in my equation. And I think you misunderstand the meaning behind the "7 spirits" of revelation, which was in reference to the 7 wayward churches of Asia.
i understood you well, i think you missed what i was trying to say. the HOLY SPIRIT is a spirit and so were the 7 spirits in Revelations along with the 120 that were in the upper room. i do believe God is a triune God but not in 3 persons...He is one person, the person of Jesus Christ, one spirit (not another person), and one soul...just as we are...one person. :)
Well, then I do not think we have much disagreement. When I use the term "One God in three persons" I am not arguing that God is three beings, but one being with three distinctive personalities which flow from each other in accordance with a single divine will.
Jesus says "God is Spirit". He is not one Spirit, one Person, and one Soul; the Father is Spirit, the Son is Spirit, and the Holy Spirit is Spirit. God the Son was only a fleshy person while on the Earth, incarnate. After His ascension He filled the whole universe as is said in Phillipians (was restored to Spirit status).
umm..this could get lengthy, so how about i just private message you later k. as long as you're open minded enough to disagree with me agreeably, we can share many points of view in this k. ttyl
Again, my explanation still stands. The reason the God the Son didn't know the hour of the end was because the Son emptied Himself--becoming a servant. At His ascension the full privelege of deity was resumed.
Then how can God and Jesus be the same. That verse still fails to explain how "The Hour" was the only information Jesus or even the Holy Spirit don't have.
Mark 10:18 "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone"
The verse makes the point that, 1.) the angels don't know, and 2.) the son doesn't know. The Spirit does know because in 1 Corinthians 2:9-10 it reads: "The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God."
Fine. I agree with the verse you posted. But isn't it also written in SEVERAL places that The Spirit lives in us (John 14:17, Romans 8:9, 8:11, 1 Co 3:16, 2TI 1:14)? But we don't know when the hour will occur even though the Spirit is INSIDE us.
Plus, several verses contradict the Jesus "emptying" himself concept. John 16:15 "All that belongs to the Father is mine." John 10:38 "...Father is in me, and I in the Father." There are many more verses that say the same thing. How do you explain that?
1) Jesus was God in the flesh. He did not cease being God at the incarnation. All He did was temporarily limit His power (as was necessary to take on human flesh). Even while human, Christ still had authority over all things, and anything He asked of the Father was given to Him.
2) The Father is in the Son because the Trinity is mutual indwelling (or infinite overlapping of each person since each has the four three attributes of deity: omnipotence, omniscience, and omnipresence). Jesus was in the Father because they are One God. These verses do not contradict that He emptied Himself--He obviously emptied Himself, it is a simple deduction from the Gospels.
The Holy Spirit manifests Himself in the baptized Christian as the seal of the Body of Christ. However, He doesn't give us divine attributes. He leads and guides us and showers us with power from on high, but still, we will never have omniscience--only God possesses that attribute.
Kenosis means to take up a human form and not have divine attributes, not emptying himself of knowledge. It is far from a simple deduction. And your explanation is riddled with contradictions and is far from satisfaction: Matthew 24:36 "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but ONLY THE FATHER" This verse alone destroys any basis of trinity.
What do you want me to tell you? Why are you so argumentative? I have explained and proven the Trinity time and time again. Want more proof? Watch my other video. How do you know about ancient greek? Have you studied it? (Apparently not since you think kenosis means to "take up a human form"). The greek word "kenosis" simply means "to empty" or "to be emptied of"--exactly what Jesus did. To be in human flesh, God emptied Himself of divine privelege while in human form.
As to Matthew 24:36, I have already explained that as well. It is not a difficult concept. Humans are mortal, and they do not possess omnisciense, omnipotence, or omnipresence. God the Son became a human. Therefore God the Son limited His divinity while in human form; He did not lose it or give it up, rather He willfully constrained it. While restraining His deity how could he know the "day or hour"?
Then the 1^3 = 1 logic is false and faulty. If he really did give up his divine privilege then how exactly a simple man like him was able to predict his death and that someone would betray him? And God would NEVER tell people that it is acceptable to speak blasphemy against him, but that is exactly what Jesus does. (MT 12:31-32)
1^3=3 just proves that God can be both three and one it has nothing to do with your point. Secondly, all the miracles, predictions, etc... that Jesus Christ performed while on earth were from the Father, not the Son. Thirdly, please re-read my last post: God the Son never gave up divinity, He only constrained it.
Sorry, but your explanation still doesn't explain this verse of the Bible.
Mark 13:32 "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."
Jesus is talking about the Day of Judgment. If the Father, Holy Ghost and Jesus are all the same God, then they must share the same knowledge, no? How come God in "Man" and "Spirit" form doesn't share the same knowledge as the Divine one?
The answer is obvious enough if you are willing to think about it. When God became incarnate as Jesus the Christ He restrained Himself (Kenosis - He emptied Himself). Read Philippians 2:5-11. God took on human flesh and willingly limited Himself that He might take on sin for us all.
Wonderful. I esp. appreciate the mathematical equations, just beautiful. I like to refer to the three manifestations/Holy Trinity as being concentric: having the same origin or proceding from the sam place w/slightly different function, kind of like the knobs of the old (early 70's) Fender Rhodes Suitcase piano (a knob w/in a knob).
Im a oneness pentecostal and I must say that you made a great example in the defense of the trinity in my opinion mathematically. BUT paul said there is but one Lord. how then does The Lord say to mt Lord. how do we have two Lords in heaven? Which Lord is talking throughout the old testament saying there is none beside me? How can we distinguish between these three persons in the OT when they never distinguish between themselves.
dking2ushawty21 7 months ago
Thank you brother for your comment. In the Old Testament they do distinguish between each other: check out my video "Trinity Proven", because it has more details. "The Lord said to My Lord, 'sit down until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet". "Let US make man in OUR image in OUR likeness". In the Bible, when it mentions One Lord and One God it is emphasizing the Oneness of God. When the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinguished, the Bible is showing all three.
amessenger4god 6 months ago
What? 1:08 says infinite love shared between Father and His self -conception is the Holy spirit. There is a Hierarchy in which Jesus speaks of were God is first,he is his messenger and those who follow him also believe in God. God Almighty is the father of Adam, Jeremiah all those who have come before Jesus were also known as sons of God. Suppose Jesus was God, that would mean God prays to God, what God is above God that he deserves prayer from Almighty God? John 5:41-44 Only God! please read.
KingestKon0780 1 year ago
@KingestKon0780 1.) The Bible makes a clear distinction between "sons of God" and the "ONLY" begotten Son of God (i.e. John 3:16/John 1).
2.) Since God exists as three persons, it makes perfect sense that Jesus would talk to His Father. That is what fathers and sons tend to do--talk.
amessenger4god 1 year ago
It is mentioned in the book of Isaiah chapter 29 verse 12:
"And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned."
When Archangel Gabrail commanded Muhammad (pbuh) by saying Iqra - "Read", he replied, "I am not learned".
cukamonga333 2 years ago
Isaiah 29 is a prophesy about Jerusalem, it has absolutely nothing to do with Muhammad, a man from Medina.
amessenger4god 2 years ago
"I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth is
come, he will guide you unto all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me".
The Sprit of Truth, spoken about in this prophecy referes to none other than Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
cukamonga333 2 years ago
Actually the Spirit of Truth literally refers to the Spirit of Truth. And this Spirit was not revealed 600 years later, but only some 50 days later when the Holy Spirit descended on the Apostles at Pentecost. The Holy Spirit has remained with the Church ever since, leading us into the Truth.
amessenger4god 2 years ago
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:
"Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh wa Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem."
cukamonga333 2 years ago
That verse has literally nothing to do with the ARABIC Muhammad. It isn't even a prophecy.
amessenger4god 2 years ago
if jesus die for our sins then why are christians born in sin?
if jesus was so willing to die then why on the cross in the bible jesus said ' father why have you forsaken me'?
why in the bible jesus fell on his face to pray? ........ wasnt he praying to God?
did moses, noah, abraham etc....think about jesus when they spoke about the Lord?
why isnt the word trinity and Christianity ,mentioned once the bible?..........
cukamonga333 2 years ago
1.) You are not born a Christian, you are born into a fallen world. When someone is baptized and Jesus becomes their Lord, THEN they are a Christian.
2.) Because Jesus was temporarily separated from the Father for the first time in eternity and was in terrible agony.
3.) He was talking to His Father, so yes He was praying to God.
4.) Jesus had not yet been revealed, but through the Spirit they prophesied of Him.
5.) "Trinity" is just the label used for the clearly Biblical concept.
amessenger4god 2 years ago
5.) Continued - "Christian" is mentioned, actually. The Bible is not about a religion like Islam or Hinduism or Taoism. The Bible is about a relationship between the True and Living God and humankind.
amessenger4god 2 years ago
The authentic HEBREW bible states-
-One God,
-totally forbids the making of any forms , images or idols to be or represent any God,
-prophecies that Muhammad (uwbp) will be the final messenger who has the word of God revealed to him.
cukamonga333 2 years ago
"One God"
Absolutely. The Hebrew uses "echad", not "yachid". The Christian God is "echad" one, while the Muslim god is "yachid" one.
The true and living God is One God in three persons.
"prophecies that Muhammad will be the final messenger"
Absolutely, unquestionably, certifiably NOT. There is not a single prophecy of Muhammad in either the Old or New Testaments.
amessenger4god 2 years ago
In Islam Jesus is a Prophet. Muslims pray to the God jesus prayed to.
In order to be a 'Christian' it means one has to be a 'follower of Jesus'.
And in order to be a 'follower of Jesus' one must 'fall on his face and pray' to the One unseen God Almighty .......... as Jesus himself did in the Bible.
cukamonga333 2 years ago
It also explains how SEVEN TRUTHS have been revealed to humanity in this same time period. Each of these truths has been presented to humanity as ONE OR MORE RELIGIONS. The first five of these truths have formed the mystical understanding of the five great religions of the world, namely, Far East religions (Hinduism, Buddhism, and any other mystical teaching on earth), Judaism, Christianity, Islam and The Baha'i Faith.
Amadayo0os 2 years ago
Christ IS the truth, and no one one comes to God, but through Him.
amessenger4god 2 years ago
Hi there, thanks for sharing this as its a wonderful short video on the Trinity :)
dorsi68 2 years ago
You are quite welcome ( :
amessenger4god 2 years ago
sweetttt
xLilB 3 years ago
where is God came from???? How did he exist before creating the universe?
jonette2005 3 years ago
You see, God has no cause. He IS the cause. We live in a universe with three dimensions of space and one dimension of time. Because of time, everything that is an effect must have a cause, for effects follow causes. However, God is the creator of time and exists transcendant to time and therefore does not need a cause. He is the ONE AND ONLY SELF-EXISTENT BEING. He is the GREAT I AM.
amessenger4god 3 years ago
Okay
Rarodomin 3 years ago
Thank you for your reply. Yes I agree with you Jesus is God!!!! What a revelation. That's what I had always been taught, but I couldn't find it for myself. May God Bless you for teaching this message!
zigzag1239 3 years ago
Awesome. Very awesome. God bless!
amessenger4god 3 years ago
I am a Christian. Jesus never referred to himself as God and the diciples never referred to him as God either. Jesus is the Son of God.
zigzag1239 3 years ago
You're right that He is the Son of God, but He is also God. It's called the Trinity. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. Not three gods, but One, eternally subsisting in three divine persons (Matthew 28:19, Luke 1:35, 1 Peter 1:2, 2 Cor. 13:14).
Also, Jesus claims to be God no fewer than one dozen times. For example in the Gospel of John He claims to be YHWH eight times: in John 6:35, John 8:12, John 10:9, John 11:25, John 14:6, John 15:1, John 10:11-14, and JOHN 8:58.
amessenger4god 3 years ago
Later, in John 20:28, the apostle Thomas declares Jesus "My Lord and my God" and Jesus accepts His worship.
Please watch my channel's featured video for a fuller explanation.
amessenger4god 3 years ago
I believe that Jesus is the Son of God, the messiah, my savior. I've read all of these scriptures, and to me they still do not say that Jesus is God. I'm trying to research, but I believe this trinity message came recently in christian history. I don't feel that it affects my salvation as long as I believe he is the Son of God and died for my sins. If we would turn our tv/preachers off and read the bible for ourselves, it says something different that what is being taught in church. Thoughts?
zigzag1239 3 years ago
Well, I understand what you are saying, and I can feel your sentiments (especially about the importance of knowing God for ourselves and not from another source), but the Trinity is truly the revelation of God.
If you haven't yet seen my channel's featured video, I hope you will, and in its entirety ("God and the Trinity Proven and Explained").
amessenger4god 3 years ago
The Bible begins with Trinity (Genesis 1:1-3) and culminates with the Trinity in the Gospel. Jesus is conceived with the revelation of the Trinity (Luke 1:35), He is baptized with the revelation of the Trinity (in ALL three synoptic gospels--Matthew, Mark, and Luke) and His ministry ends with the revelation of the Trinity (Matthew 28:19).
amessenger4god 3 years ago
"God" is, as you know, a generic term. To Muslims Allah is god. To Hindus Brahman is god. To the Greeks Zeus was a god. But to Jews and Christians YHWH is God (I AM WHO I AM). YHWH is the personal name God gave to Moses at the Burning Bush. It is this name Jesus calls Himself EIGHT times in John. Romans says, in addition to baptism, that declaring Jesus "LORD", is necessary for salvation, so I very much think that believing Jesus is not only your Saviour, but also your God IS very important.
amessenger4god 3 years ago
The Trinity is NOT a recent invention. Historically, the Church has always held this belief. Even in its absolute, precise terminology the Trinity doctrine has existed as it is since 325 A.D.. The Trinity is absolutely proven in Matthew 28:19.
The only Christian sects that say Jesus is not God or there is not the Trinity are the Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, and Unitarians.
amessenger4god 3 years ago
Can you please explain what Begotten means.
But he was created as he spent time in a womb and was born naturally. The other thing I can't get my head around is why would God need to die in the physical sense for our sins when he was the one who created us knowing we would sin in the first place. I must tell you if Christians could answer these questions I would be a Christian however I can't seem to get the answers I want and thats why I converted to Islam as it makes more sense to me.
7yatiana 3 years ago
Let me say first that you are searching and I deeply, deeply want you to know the truth. I will admit that there are two doctrines of the Christian faith that are hard to understand: the Trinity and the Incarnation. However, just because they are hard to understand does not mean they are untrue.
amessenger4god 3 years ago
From a logical and philosophical standpoint, God as the Trinity is the only purely logical view of God. This may seem like a far out claim, but it is true. Please watch my channel's featured video in its entirety: "God and the Trinity Proven and Explained".
amessenger4god 3 years ago
For your actual questions I would prefer to message you privately if that is ok with you? There is a 500-character limit on the threads. Would that be ok?
amessenger4god 3 years ago
So if Jesus is God that means God had to die for the sins of his own creation??? that doesn't make any sense! The Creator can be created!
7yatiana 3 years ago
God chose to die, but only in the physical, temporal sense, because the spirit-body of God is infinite and immaterial and therefore cannot die.
Christianity teaches that Christ is "begotten not made", so He CANNOT be created. Jesus was the incarnate Son of God, not an indwelling or pure creation.
amessenger4god 3 years ago
Jesus is the Father,John 14:9,who came as God incarnate Isaiah 9:6 to reteach he is in all people to guide them John 14-20
The Trinity is Jesus
It is when believers request the Holy Spirit,that slowly Jesus reveals His loving presence
Those who seek how Jesus is with them in all they do will most certainly find him for he reveals how he is with us
Thank YOU for your wonderful video
I wish you would make one entitled
Did Jesus die on the Cross
Blessings of Christ's love and joy for you
BonjourNuit43 3 years ago
I appreciate your comment and your encouragement. I would just add that Jesus and the Father are one (John 10:30) because they are a single being, but they are not the same persona (Jesus is God the Son--hence all the scriptures on Him being God's Son, such as Matthew 28:19).
God the Son is a perfect reflection of God the Father (Hebrews 1:3), and this is why Jesus says what He says in 14:9.
God bless,
Love in Christ
amessenger4god 3 years ago
Jesus is the Father,he said to Philip,you have seen me,from now on you have seen the Father
People forget the Bible was written in Hebrew,Greek and Latin when Jesus spoke Aramaic
When Jesus was comforting his apostles,he said it was best he went to the cross so that he could return to the Father then he would return to his apostles but it should have stated He would return to Being the Father
Just as it is written,he will return soon, should have been stated he will definitely return
BonjourNuit42 3 years ago
Isaiah 9:6 onto us a son is given,he will be called Mighty God,Everlasting Father and wonderful Councelor:which is the Holy Spirit
When Jesus said he would not leave his apostles orphans,but would send the Holy Spirit to them,that on the day they experience the Holy Spirit is when they will see Jesus is in the Father and his apostles are in Him and Jesus is in us
For Jesus went to the Cross because he claimed he is God,rose from the dead to prove it then to teach he is in all people
BonjourNuit42 3 years ago
I am taught by the Holy Spirit which is I experience the presence of Jesus for 19 years in which I know He is with all people on earth John 14:15-20
When Jesus rose from the dead,he said in Matthew 28-18 all authority and power are his,baptise others in the name of the Father,Son and Holy Spirit:which means make people aware that Jesus the creator Father came as God incarnate to teach he is in all people to guide them
for Jesus was the Messiah and there is only one God
BonjourNuit42 3 years ago
The Kingdom of God is that Jesus is with and in all people on earth but those who have faith and trust in him were to request the Holy Spirit who would guide you in all things
The Holy Spirit of truth means the Loving Presence of God
The Father,Son and Holy Spirit is the same identity:Jesus
The poor translations,the early persecutions of the Christians deprived Christians of the mircle of Christianity itself,which is we were invited to experience God's loving realism which brings true Joy
BonjourNuit42 3 years ago
There IS only One God, and that God is One Being in three Persons. Jesus is not the Father, He is the Son. He NEVER says He is the Father, only that He and the Father ARE ONE. As I said before, Jesus is the perfect image and reflection of the Father, but not the Father Himself (hence the verses you cite).
Unitarianism is NOT the truth of God. Our God is single communion of three divine persons of one substance.
...And baptism doesn't mean to "make aware" it means to... BAPTIZE!
amessenger4god 3 years ago
The original MSS of the Biblical texts are not written in Latin, they are written in Hebrew, Chaldean, Aramaic, and Koine. I have extensive knowledge in Koine, and I can tell you positively that such verses as Matthew 28:19 are absolute scriptural proof of the Trinity AND NOT UNITARIANISM ("Sharp's Rule of Conjunctive Kai")
amessenger4god 3 years ago
Before Abraham was born,I am
I am the light of the world,through me the world was created,I gave man life
The Lord God almighty who was and is and is to come
Jesus is God and to baptise is to make a person aware that God who is Jesus is in them to love and to guide them Joshua 1:9
Until you experience his own presence,the Holy Spirit you will not understand
Muslims attack us because we are divided
and we are divided because we were not given the same knowledge at the same time
BonjourNuit42 3 years ago
There are many ancient scriptures in many different languages for the apostles went throughout the Roman Empire but when Christianity was made their official religion,they put the scriptures into Greek and Latin the 2 offical languages of the Roman Empire
Yes Matthew 28-19 is proof of the Trinity
BonjourNuit42 3 years ago
John 10:28 states I gave them eternal life,for I and the Father are One,to which the Jews picked up stones to stone Jesus saying blasphemy,you a mere man claim to be God
John 14:9, you have seen me from now on you have seen the Father
No one comes to the Father except through me,why because Jesus is the Father
The Trinity is Jesus as in Isaiah 9:6
BonjourNuit42 3 years ago
I'm sorry if I appeared condescending. We agree, I was just mistaken on what you were saying.
Love in Christ.
amessenger4god 3 years ago
Jesus is with all people and he is preparing us for his return,and those who requested the Holy Spirit experience His awesome love,guidance and realism which imparts true immense Joy and Joy is the best way to receive our Lord
The Trinity is easy to understand it is Jesus,who created the world John 1-3,who came as God incarnate known as the Son,to re-teach he is with all people to guide them John 14:15-20,Matthew 28-18
BonjourNuit42 3 years ago
I am happy to encounter a believer as there are thousands of sites that put down Christianity
John the Baptist baptised with Water which is spiritual symbolism,but Jesus baptised with the Holy Spirit and that means,he made people aware of his awesome yet gentle presence
That is your God-given right to experience Him for that is the whole point of going to the cross and rising from the dead,is to tell you He is with you literally
May you be filled with His immense joy
BonjourNuit42 3 years ago
This is a multi part response because of the 500 character limit.
Muslims, Jews and many Christians don't fully understand the concept of the, so called, "Trinity."
Genesis 1:26 "Then God said "Let US make man in Our image according to Our likeness..."
So... we are created in His image, but what does God mean when He says "Let US..." "OUR image..." "OUR likeness..."?
Tough question, after all we can't very well examine God, can we?
NGENeer999 3 years ago
he is talking to jesus, btoh god and jesus exist in out of time!!!!!!! in the spiritual and godly form jesus was a servant of god, he was god too!! when he cam to earth he had to loose all of his godly attrbutes, to become fully human when he cam to try and rescue the true israelites..this is evident in the bible when he prays to god "john 17:5" he is referring to his existance b4 the creation : "the glory i had wit u b4 the world began" --this is clear that jesus is also god, but gods(yhwh) son
benzkii 3 years ago
Rightly so.
amessenger4god 3 years ago
Well, how about if we examine ourselves? After all, He created us in His image, His own likeness, right?
- We have a mind that thinks, plans, even creates new thoughts and ideas and then acts on them.
- We have a physical body that carries out the wishes of the mind. (John 5;19 "...the Son can do nothing by himself...whatever the Father does, the Son also does...")
- We have a spirit that can be lifted up in joy or broken by tragedy or torture.
NGENeer999 3 years ago
Interesting - just think, you have a Mind, a Body that does the bidding of the Mind, and a Spirit that can affect the mind and body. Three parts, One person!!! Therefore YOU are also a Triune (Three-in-One) being - a "TRINITY" - because God made you that way, in His own Image.
Praise be to God who shows us the Truth. (John 8:32 And you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free)
NGENeer999 3 years ago
I really like your example, NGENeer999. I think you are spot on. We are three-in-one because we are mental, physical, and spiritual.
amessenger4god 3 years ago
this is idiocy. 1x1x1 is saying the father of tghe son of the holy spirit. this falsifies the trinity definition and hence only 1+1+1=1 fits the trinity definition.
SithMage 3 years ago
Actually, the only "idiocy" is your argument. God is not the summation of three parts... in fact... I like your first definition PERFECTLY! The Persons ARE of each other. The Son is of the Father and the Holy Spirit is of the Father and Son.
amessenger4god 3 years ago
Finally, the Holy Spirit correlates to faith since faith (like creativity) has no logical precedents and Jesus represents truth or hope for truth. Of course, this divide is more symbolic than it is substantive as you could not have creativity without a creator nor have perfection without truth nor love without creativity, etc. (the parts of God have no form without each other).
estanall 3 years ago
Humor me as I attempt to describe my own conception of the trinity (as it conflicts a bit with yours). God himself is the creator of the universe and simultaneously infused throughout it. Jesus is The Word--both God's message to us and the ethical code he expects of us. The Holy Spirit is all human creativity--God's gift to us of his own innate ability to transcend justification and create substance out of nothing.
estanall 3 years ago
Thus, the trinity can be thought of as the three ways in which God reveals himself to humanity--through the physical world (God), through communication (oral, written, or otherwise) (Jesus), or through personal inspiration (Holy Spirit). If we were to assign virtuous concepts to each these components of God, it would be God that would correspond to love (not the holy spirit) as it is God that encompasses all things in order to allow them to become one with him.
estanall 3 years ago
I find your concept interesting, but the truth is, as is clearly implied in the scriptures, Church fathers, Jesus' own words, etc... that the Trinity is One God in three persons. This has been the penultimate doctrine since "The Great Commission" (Matthew 28:19).
amessenger4god 3 years ago
ok i God in 3 persons and they are all God? if that is true then when God said there is no God nither before me nore after me i am the Lord and beside me there is no savior is there a God beside me nay there is no God that would go against teaching dont u think? 2nd i asked was any1 bapstized in 3 names u said yes but no scripture on anyone tat was baptized in 3 names so u r arguing a non exestent scipture no 1 was baptized in 3 names only Jesus name.
uboyny 3 years ago
I'm not sure what you are aguing about. The Trinity is not a belief in 3 gods, it is a belief in the One True God who exists as three personas. As for baptism in the three names read Matthew 28:19 (Jesus last command on baptism).
amessenger4god 3 years ago
ok lets say the trinity is the true doctrin 3 Gods but one in nature? anyways hears a question that many trinity's cant answere or make up the vers in there minds.i want to know in what name was people baptized in water just answere was it 3 or 1 name if your baptism is wrong and it was in 1 name then i guess the trinity consep did come from man and not God?
uboyny 3 years ago
The Trinity is NOT 3 gods in 1 nature, the Trinity is ONE God in 3 Persons.
People were baptized in the way described in Matthew 28:19.
amessenger4god 3 years ago
amazing logic you people have even when Jesus was asked whats the first commandment he said that to worship only one God.
by the way did you Christians know that trinity 1 john 5:7 has been taken out as fabrications by 32 christian scholars in the RSV Bible which was printed in 1952?
Plz worship the God that Jesus pbuh worshipped.
beachman007 3 years ago
You should see the longer video - it explains that verse.
Also, you do not know Jesus. The Jesus of the Quran is different the Jesus of history. The Jesus of the Quran does not exist. The Jesus of history was crucified on a cross close to 2000 years ago. Contemporary and very early Roman, Jewish, Christian and Syrian historians confirm this. The idea that Jesus was not crucified is unsustainable in the face of the historical evidence.
FollowIsaMasih 3 years ago
but your bible says he was not killed he was ALIVE. and that's what the Holy Quran says too.
beachman007 3 years ago
Friend, it is obvious that you have never read the Bible and have relied on inaccurate hearsay comments from others. The whole New Testament is clear that Jesus died. In fact, Jesus himself said that "I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore" (Revelation 1:18)
The Quran contradicts every contemporary historian on this point. Islam requires blind faith to believe that Jesus was not crucified as there is no evidence to support such a notion.
FollowIsaMasih 3 years ago
Also a verse in Genesis to keep in mind is in Chapter 3:22-
Then the LORD God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever"
It says "become like one of US". He doesn't say he has become like me
freedomfry444 4 years ago
Right. And of course, this isn't to say that God is multiple beings, but that their is a communion, or plurality, of persons within a single being.
amessenger4god 4 years ago
1:48 = ",your God," is a nonessential clause describing whose God the first "God" is; they are the same person. Whether Father or Son is NOT specified. The words "your" and "thee" are what refer to David, and later, Jesus.
1:59 = Jesus is called 'El Gib·bohr′, "Mighty God", not 'El Shad·dai′ (God Almighty). Many are called gods in the Bible, but that doesnt mean they are Jehovah God Almighty (1Cor 8:5; Psa 82:6; Psa 8:5; 2Cor 4:4; Dead Sea Scrolls)
2:10 = doesnt show equality or eternality
LivingNephesh 4 years ago
I don't want to get into a big fight. Your Hebrew is lacking, by the way. Before criticizing me further, you should watch my more detailed video on the Trinity from my channel page.
amessenger4god 4 years ago
Amen Brother!
But allah does exist, it's a little black rock inside the kabba.
dw149CDW 4 years ago
You are right about that. Sadly, hundreds die from stampede and stoning during the yearly pilgrimage to Mecca (apparently the black rock doesn't watch out for its slaves).
amessenger4god 4 years ago
One final thought. Why doesn't someone make a bumper sticker that says Genesis - Revelations : Read it !!
Instead of all those bumper stickers about John 3:16 and Acts 2:38 and (Insert favorite scripture here). One scripture doctrines is what has this whole religion thing messed up so much now anyway. Read the whole book and get away from living based on one scripture.
Strayker1208 4 years ago
You are absolutely right. The reason the Church is divided by denominations is because each denomination took a particular verse out of context and missed the bigger picture! What really matters is that we believe in One God in three persons, believe in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ, and be baptized into the Church. Everything else, while still important, are still just details.
amessenger4god 4 years ago
Sorry if those show up backwards. They are in reverse order on my screen, thus i posted them in reverse so they show up correctly for me. Anyway, it is very easy for me to understand that there is ONE GOD and the 'words' of Son and Spirit are used in an attempt to make it understandable to the normal human thinking mind. If it was put in God's understanding, we would all still be discussing Genesis 1:1.
Strayker1208 4 years ago
I am new with all this. I have heard this debate many times in my life of trinity vs. one-ness. It would seem to me fairly simple in the idea that God is an all encompassing spirit. Being the Alpha and Omega; the beginning and the end. I figured it is something like oxygen. How do you measure it? If everyone on the earth were to take a breath and hold it, then a baby were to be born, would that child die due to a lack of oxygen?
Strayker1208 4 years ago
If the Oxygen bottling companies were to go into massive overtime would they run out of oxygen to bottle and people begin to die from lack of oxygen? This is how I view God. So he can't be defined in the ways that humans think. We are too limited in our ability to think within the power that makes God. Finally, if we could define God and he is all powerful, then why would it take 3 powers to defeat 1 satan? There never is a discussion about how many satans there are or how he is divided.
Strayker1208 4 years ago
The only reason satan has had any success is because God has given sentient beings (angels, demons, humans) free will. We chose to disobey God in the garden and thus satan had his first victory. Satan is a single being, a fallen angel, who used to be the highest ranking angel (the head Seraph) and he convinced one/third of the angels to follow him.
amessenger4god 4 years ago
ok.open ur eyes!
Trinity:u dont bilive in it!u just programming ur dump heads that this is maybe the way to make ur sins be forgiven,but Allah is only ONE,Almighty!
Islamrulzzz 4 years ago
Because you say so? What evidence have you used to prove your point? NONE.
Here is the real truth: the Muslim god "Allah" does not exist, has not existed, and will never exist.
God IS ONE, but He is also three. One in being, nature, substance, and will... three in person. The true, living God is none other than the triune YHWH.
amessenger4god 4 years ago
many Scriptures say God is ONE/Holy One-can u show me one where it says God is THREE/Holy Three??
jahcal7 4 years ago
jahcal7, Christians DO NOT believe God is three separate beings. We believe He is ONE God in three persons. Whether you understand this or not, does not change the fact that we believe in ONE GOD.
Now, the Bible is full of proof of the Trinity, watch my video "A Comprehensive Defense of the Trinity".
amessenger4god 4 years ago
If U believe 3 as One, In Hinduism they say millions as One. So there is no difference between Hinduism & christianity. All are same except for Numbers
TexasMus 4 years ago
Actually, traditional Hindusim teaches that the millions of 'gods' are actually manifestations of the single god called Brahman. Many Hindus believe this god is a trinity composed of Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva. So they don't say these millions are different persons, but rather that they are different manifestations.
amessenger4god 4 years ago
The Holy Bible Authorized KJV -Copyright 1973 By WORD AFLAE PRESS USA at Page 10 :
"The word "trinity" is not found in the Bible. This term, coined by the Roman Catholic in 325AD....is a contradiction, an impossibility, and completely unscriptual"
shayaaothman 4 years ago
Actually "Trinity" was first used in 180 AD by Theophilus of Antioch and later by Tertullian. The word was developed to describe what God had revealed of Himself--that He was One God in three persons. This is clearly shown in the Biblical data (both Old and New Testaments). You should watch my video, "A Comprehensive Defense of the Trinity."
amessenger4god 4 years ago
There is no TRINITY concept found in Old-testament, nor do the Jews believe in Trinity as 3 in one, these are greek. Nor do the prophets Abrham,Moses, david, john etc preached about trinity...
TexasMus 4 years ago
Well, you are mistaken. The concept of One God in three persons is very frequent in the Old Testament. Even beginning with the first two verses of Genesis. Watch my video "A Comprehensive Defense of the Trinity". And of course the Jews don't believe in the Trinity--if they did they would be Christian! The Trinity was clearly foreshadowed in the Old Testament, but the revelation wasn't complete until the ascension of Jesus Christ.
amessenger4god 4 years ago
1^3=1 ...but so does 1^4 and 1^10000000...as in Revelations when it says that God has 7 spirits, with this said, God's no longer triune.
leeamessage 4 years ago
I used that equation to demonstrate that God can be three in one. Onviously 1 to the power of any positive integer equals 1, but you haven't proven anything. My point was that God can be three in one as demonstrated in my equation. And I think you misunderstand the meaning behind the "7 spirits" of revelation, which was in reference to the 7 wayward churches of Asia.
amessenger4god 4 years ago
i understood you well, i think you missed what i was trying to say. the HOLY SPIRIT is a spirit and so were the 7 spirits in Revelations along with the 120 that were in the upper room. i do believe God is a triune God but not in 3 persons...He is one person, the person of Jesus Christ, one spirit (not another person), and one soul...just as we are...one person. :)
leeamessage 4 years ago
Well, then I do not think we have much disagreement. When I use the term "One God in three persons" I am not arguing that God is three beings, but one being with three distinctive personalities which flow from each other in accordance with a single divine will.
amessenger4god 4 years ago
Jesus says "God is Spirit". He is not one Spirit, one Person, and one Soul; the Father is Spirit, the Son is Spirit, and the Holy Spirit is Spirit. God the Son was only a fleshy person while on the Earth, incarnate. After His ascension He filled the whole universe as is said in Phillipians (was restored to Spirit status).
amessenger4god 4 years ago
umm..this could get lengthy, so how about i just private message you later k. as long as you're open minded enough to disagree with me agreeably, we can share many points of view in this k. ttyl
leeamessage 4 years ago
trinity has not logic
farqil 4 years ago
Yes it does
amessenger4god 4 years ago
Again, my explanation still stands. The reason the God the Son didn't know the hour of the end was because the Son emptied Himself--becoming a servant. At His ascension the full privelege of deity was resumed.
amessenger4god 4 years ago
Then how can God and Jesus be the same. That verse still fails to explain how "The Hour" was the only information Jesus or even the Holy Spirit don't have.
Mark 10:18 "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone"
pspi 4 years ago
The verse makes the point that, 1.) the angels don't know, and 2.) the son doesn't know. The Spirit does know because in 1 Corinthians 2:9-10 it reads: "The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God."
amessenger4god 4 years ago
Fine. I agree with the verse you posted. But isn't it also written in SEVERAL places that The Spirit lives in us (John 14:17, Romans 8:9, 8:11, 1 Co 3:16, 2TI 1:14)? But we don't know when the hour will occur even though the Spirit is INSIDE us.
pspi 4 years ago
Plus, several verses contradict the Jesus "emptying" himself concept. John 16:15 "All that belongs to the Father is mine." John 10:38 "...Father is in me, and I in the Father." There are many more verses that say the same thing. How do you explain that?
pspi 4 years ago
1) Jesus was God in the flesh. He did not cease being God at the incarnation. All He did was temporarily limit His power (as was necessary to take on human flesh). Even while human, Christ still had authority over all things, and anything He asked of the Father was given to Him.
amessenger4god 4 years ago
2) The Father is in the Son because the Trinity is mutual indwelling (or infinite overlapping of each person since each has the four three attributes of deity: omnipotence, omniscience, and omnipresence). Jesus was in the Father because they are One God. These verses do not contradict that He emptied Himself--He obviously emptied Himself, it is a simple deduction from the Gospels.
amessenger4god 4 years ago
The Holy Spirit manifests Himself in the baptized Christian as the seal of the Body of Christ. However, He doesn't give us divine attributes. He leads and guides us and showers us with power from on high, but still, we will never have omniscience--only God possesses that attribute.
amessenger4god 4 years ago
Kenosis means to take up a human form and not have divine attributes, not emptying himself of knowledge. It is far from a simple deduction. And your explanation is riddled with contradictions and is far from satisfaction: Matthew 24:36 "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but ONLY THE FATHER" This verse alone destroys any basis of trinity.
pspi 4 years ago
What do you want me to tell you? Why are you so argumentative? I have explained and proven the Trinity time and time again. Want more proof? Watch my other video. How do you know about ancient greek? Have you studied it? (Apparently not since you think kenosis means to "take up a human form"). The greek word "kenosis" simply means "to empty" or "to be emptied of"--exactly what Jesus did. To be in human flesh, God emptied Himself of divine privelege while in human form.
amessenger4god 4 years ago
As to Matthew 24:36, I have already explained that as well. It is not a difficult concept. Humans are mortal, and they do not possess omnisciense, omnipotence, or omnipresence. God the Son became a human. Therefore God the Son limited His divinity while in human form; He did not lose it or give it up, rather He willfully constrained it. While restraining His deity how could he know the "day or hour"?
amessenger4god 4 years ago
Then the 1^3 = 1 logic is false and faulty. If he really did give up his divine privilege then how exactly a simple man like him was able to predict his death and that someone would betray him? And God would NEVER tell people that it is acceptable to speak blasphemy against him, but that is exactly what Jesus does. (MT 12:31-32)
My argument still stands strong.
pspi 4 years ago
1^3=3 just proves that God can be both three and one it has nothing to do with your point. Secondly, all the miracles, predictions, etc... that Jesus Christ performed while on earth were from the Father, not the Son. Thirdly, please re-read my last post: God the Son never gave up divinity, He only constrained it.
amessenger4god 4 years ago
That still doesn't explain how "The Hour" is the only thing Jesus, or even the Spirit don't know.
Maybe, the answer lies here:
Mark 10:18 "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone"
pspi 4 years ago
Sorry, but your explanation still doesn't explain this verse of the Bible.
Mark 13:32 "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."
Jesus is talking about the Day of Judgment. If the Father, Holy Ghost and Jesus are all the same God, then they must share the same knowledge, no? How come God in "Man" and "Spirit" form doesn't share the same knowledge as the Divine one?
pspi 4 years ago
The answer is obvious enough if you are willing to think about it. When God became incarnate as Jesus the Christ He restrained Himself (Kenosis - He emptied Himself). Read Philippians 2:5-11. God took on human flesh and willingly limited Himself that He might take on sin for us all.
amessenger4god 4 years ago
Wonderful. I esp. appreciate the mathematical equations, just beautiful. I like to refer to the three manifestations/Holy Trinity as being concentric: having the same origin or proceding from the sam place w/slightly different function, kind of like the knobs of the old (early 70's) Fender Rhodes Suitcase piano (a knob w/in a knob).
JustinComparable 5 years ago