Hugh Ross is credible, check out his ministry "Reasons to Believe". They have a solid model. Hovind is a hack. He gives Christians a bad name. In his televised debate with Hugh Ross, he spoke condescendingly to Dr. Ross the whole debate, then whenever Dr. Ross brought up valid scientific evidence, Kent interrupted him and claimed that he doesn't understand and God would never make things so complicated that he couldn't understand them. Hovind is either dishonest or stupid or both.
I repent that I sided with Hovind. I take to him better but it's not a Heaven or Hell issue. Serving God is not who's right or wrong on this. God knows the answer so why worry? Worry for Souls please! This greives the Holy Spirit & I take no more part in it. I want to progress the body of Christ. I'll be begging door to door for $ bills with Phuemonia to get a Camera for Church it seems, Witnessing also. Spend your Vapor arguing. Faith is pleasing God, My desire. I love you all, God bless!!
Hugh Ross, Kent Hovind or Repentance? The Church Fathers (Apostles) would think it rediculous that they gave their lives for this? It wasn't an issue for them, Changing the world with no Scientific devices (HolySpirit). Study the Word to show yourself approved before God, Not Science? Intimate Prayer verses time studying books touches lifes?? Does this get a name in the book of life? Is that how you value souls? Their creation ideas? Love wins souls. This confuses the average, Who authors that?!
All this science is interesting but if your not born again, Intelligence is worthless! You'll just be intelligent in Hell. In stead of taking about big bangs, Why don't we tell the Drug Addict, Prostitutes, Rapists, Etc. That Peter was given keys to the Kingdom & Preached the first Salvation message at Pentecost? Why not tell them Peter said Repent, Be Baptized for the remission of Sins & they are promised the holy Spirit? Is a Star or Dirt more miraculous than a Soul Saved? Would Jesus Debate?
I'm amazed that Cristians would call each other ignorant or try to worship through science. If we preached this at our church Noone would be saved! Who's winning Souls? They value over stars? You withness by telling people in desperate need, On their way to hell about science or The Born Again Experience? Kent is concerned about Jesus, The blood. This other guy is worshipping stars? I know Kent Hovend, He preaches & wins souls. Science is just fun for him. Is Ross born again like by Telescope?
You cannot accuse God as being morally wrong if he allows animals to die. As long as there remains the possibility that he is allowing animals to die for some other end, whether it be survival or to eat, what ever, then you can not say that God had some kind of moral obligatory reason to not allow the death of animals before the Adamic fall.
this is such a joke... i believe in aliens using humanity as an experiment over the story of noah and the flood. the odds of noah in the flood being a real life event is... 100000000000000000 to 1
This just proves that you can prove any point you are trying to make using verses in the bible. I could say God is ok with conquest and genocide using the old testament
I like what Kent Hovind says: "The definition of a cult is when you need a guru to tell you what the bible means". Thanks Kent. Because without your keen insight, I never would have known even though God created lions with sharp teeth & claws, that He never designed them to hunt & kill. But rather intended them to be vegetarians. And only became carnivores because of the sin of Adam. We need inspired expositors like Hovind. Because, without him, we might think God created lions to be predators.
Kent Hovind was not "destroyed" as the host of this video proclaimed. The animals dying before man's sin was not nescessarily refuted, but it doesn't really matter compared to other things. This was more of a very friendly debate in my opinion. They both do not entertain the evolution idea, which means they both have common sense. :-)
Have you seen any of Hovind videos or Ken Ham videos. They are very good! Ross starts with nature instead of starting in the Bible. I used to believe Ross, but what he teaches is going beyond what the Bible actually says in the right context.
I seen many Ham, Hovind, Baugh, and other creationists. Their claims are a combination of lies and half-truths regarding science.
If you accept their claims I strongly suggest you actually read what scientists say. If you believe Hovind, Ham or Baugh understand and accurately reflect scientific debates you will be caught flat-footed by anyone who you want to discuss science with.
I don't think God would use big bang as a tool that wouldn't be very efficient. Thats like putting together satans misdirects and the Bible. Also, its pretty silly to use big bang -term as alternative for the beginning. Bible does not mention about big bang but it does mention about world wide flood.
lol. you had me going for a second. I thought just like MarlinMr was thinking. I thought what pictures of the big bang?? But then.. yea your right. You can get them from hubble! ;)
Yea I think they are both wrong lol. You cant look at the big bang really because there was nothing before and there was not a start to the big bang. Time and matter is an attribute of the big bang.
You can only see the result of the big bang which can be fractions of a second after the "event" of the big bang. But it's not really an event because it implies there was a start to the event. But you know what I mean!
Sorry, but both of you are ignorant. The Big Bang was an expansion not creation. Scientists are trying to discover how what expanded came into being. Science seeks to answer those types of questions. Whereas, religion says it already knows.
Secondly we have pictures of the Big Bang!! Seriously look it up, they are amazing. It's the fall out radiation from the Big Bang taken by the Hubble Telescope.
Ohh I see, I'm wrong. From Wikipedia the Big Bang is the "initial conditions and subsequent development of the universe". I thought it was just the initial conditions.
So really everyone is wrong. You could say me and you are part of the Big Bang. Since we are part of the universe. You dont need a hubble telescope to see the big bang.
Sometimes its not "ignorance" and just education.
And not all the religions are ignorant. But probably most are.
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According to Hugh Ross, God made Adam and Eve 13 billion years after the beginning, while Jesus said they were made at the beginning.
slaves4christ 5 months ago
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slaves4christ 5 months ago
This is good. I agree with Hugh Ross
rac19722009 1 year ago 3
I think hovind is correct regarding this matter.hughs theories are scriptually unsound and he is adding to the Bible using mans logic
TheSpliffSmoker 1 year ago 2
Kent made a good point, plants don't have the breathe of G~D in them. Hugh's theories are knew.
uziel187 1 year ago
ahh who the fuck cares...just live your life...be a good person go to heaven
TheMossad921 1 year ago
It's great to have Hugh Ross to bring some balance. Thanks for posting!
Scttlaw 1 year ago
Hugh Ross is credible, check out his ministry "Reasons to Believe". They have a solid model. Hovind is a hack. He gives Christians a bad name. In his televised debate with Hugh Ross, he spoke condescendingly to Dr. Ross the whole debate, then whenever Dr. Ross brought up valid scientific evidence, Kent interrupted him and claimed that he doesn't understand and God would never make things so complicated that he couldn't understand them. Hovind is either dishonest or stupid or both.
Dan8086 1 year ago
Hovind?
The failed auto mechanic?
The uneducated, violent fraud artist
who has been charged with assault, convicted of fraud,
and is currently in prison?
I mean, okay, he has a white lab jacket,
and he's a great poster boy for Creationism,
but nobody in their right mind would go to Hovind
for scientific facts, reality, or any sort of truth!
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
Hovind got seriously owned.... Which doesn't come as a surprise.
obdami 2 years ago
Fantastic an argument about who is least wrong
tr33b0r 2 years ago 2
@tr33b0r I was just about to write the same thing!!! It's a moot point!!
bowezo 2 years ago
I repent that I sided with Hovind. I take to him better but it's not a Heaven or Hell issue. Serving God is not who's right or wrong on this. God knows the answer so why worry? Worry for Souls please! This greives the Holy Spirit & I take no more part in it. I want to progress the body of Christ. I'll be begging door to door for $ bills with Phuemonia to get a Camera for Church it seems, Witnessing also. Spend your Vapor arguing. Faith is pleasing God, My desire. I love you all, God bless!!
LoganApostolicVision 2 years ago
Hugh Ross, Kent Hovind or Repentance? The Church Fathers (Apostles) would think it rediculous that they gave their lives for this? It wasn't an issue for them, Changing the world with no Scientific devices (HolySpirit). Study the Word to show yourself approved before God, Not Science? Intimate Prayer verses time studying books touches lifes?? Does this get a name in the book of life? Is that how you value souls? Their creation ideas? Love wins souls. This confuses the average, Who authors that?!
LoganApostolicVision 2 years ago
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Kent Hovind... you make me embarissed to call myself a creationist...
thankfully there's Hugh Ross
Petirep 2 years ago
All this science is interesting but if your not born again, Intelligence is worthless! You'll just be intelligent in Hell. In stead of taking about big bangs, Why don't we tell the Drug Addict, Prostitutes, Rapists, Etc. That Peter was given keys to the Kingdom & Preached the first Salvation message at Pentecost? Why not tell them Peter said Repent, Be Baptized for the remission of Sins & they are promised the holy Spirit? Is a Star or Dirt more miraculous than a Soul Saved? Would Jesus Debate?
LoganApostolicVision 2 years ago
@LoganApostolicVision
"Why don't we tell the Drug Addicts, Prostitutes, Rapists, Etc."
Do what you do and Kent's ministry will do what they do.
Some people need to hear about the lies of evolution.
planterzs 2 years ago
you need to learn about the lies and crontradictions of your bible
emcce69 2 years ago
I'm amazed that Cristians would call each other ignorant or try to worship through science. If we preached this at our church Noone would be saved! Who's winning Souls? They value over stars? You withness by telling people in desperate need, On their way to hell about science or The Born Again Experience? Kent is concerned about Jesus, The blood. This other guy is worshipping stars? I know Kent Hovend, He preaches & wins souls. Science is just fun for him. Is Ross born again like by Telescope?
LoganApostolicVision 2 years ago
Really? You know Kent Hovind?
How's the eight-by-ten treating him?
Has he stopped defining evolution as the big bang, and the appearance of life?
WeedGreenPowerRanger 2 years ago
+1. The world doesn't understand this.
Nor do some who claim to be Christians.
planterzs 2 years ago
Ross is born again, and he too brings many to Christ. He has actually converted athiests to christ. He is a great and Goddly man.
Petirep 2 years ago
You cannot accuse God as being morally wrong if he allows animals to die. As long as there remains the possibility that he is allowing animals to die for some other end, whether it be survival or to eat, what ever, then you can not say that God had some kind of moral obligatory reason to not allow the death of animals before the Adamic fall.
Namo1245 2 years ago
Fuck, this asshole was in my country. Fucking hell! (Canada by the way)
SMSBJM1981 2 years ago
This is just dumb vs. dumb. It's a contest of "who's more incorrect".
TheOctoChuck 2 years ago 2
further your inteligence.
Samson25877 2 years ago
Hugh Ross got owned BIG TIME !!!
wrestlingfan110 2 years ago 2
this is such a joke... i believe in aliens using humanity as an experiment over the story of noah and the flood. the odds of noah in the flood being a real life event is... 100000000000000000 to 1
retrocareermelted 2 years ago
This just proves that you can prove any point you are trying to make using verses in the bible. I could say God is ok with conquest and genocide using the old testament
PitbullD 2 years ago
you dont understand the old testament so i suggest you quit talking before you embarrass yourself further.
themanchan90 2 years ago
How about you debate me and lets see how much you don't know because i do know what i am talking about.
PitbullD 2 years ago
I like what Kent Hovind says: "The definition of a cult is when you need a guru to tell you what the bible means". Thanks Kent. Because without your keen insight, I never would have known even though God created lions with sharp teeth & claws, that He never designed them to hunt & kill. But rather intended them to be vegetarians. And only became carnivores because of the sin of Adam. We need inspired expositors like Hovind. Because, without him, we might think God created lions to be predators.
JustAboutMyFaith 3 years ago 2
How silly to believe that Something that grows, reproduces and is classified as being alive doesn't die when we eat it.
DarkShadowM99 3 years ago
Kent Hovind was not "destroyed" as the host of this video proclaimed. The animals dying before man's sin was not nescessarily refuted, but it doesn't really matter compared to other things. This was more of a very friendly debate in my opinion. They both do not entertain the evolution idea, which means they both have common sense. :-)
Classicjammer 3 years ago
Hovind lacking knowledge of science should be pretty obvious in this debate. Ross exposed it very clearly.
Trin80ty 3 years ago
Have you seen any of Hovind videos or Ken Ham videos. They are very good! Ross starts with nature instead of starting in the Bible. I used to believe Ross, but what he teaches is going beyond what the Bible actually says in the right context.
Creationcreed 3 years ago 3
I seen many Ham, Hovind, Baugh, and other creationists. Their claims are a combination of lies and half-truths regarding science.
If you accept their claims I strongly suggest you actually read what scientists say. If you believe Hovind, Ham or Baugh understand and accurately reflect scientific debates you will be caught flat-footed by anyone who you want to discuss science with.
Trin80ty 3 years ago
LOL wtf r u fkn kidding?
themanchan90 2 years ago
I don't think God would use big bang as a tool that wouldn't be very efficient. Thats like putting together satans misdirects and the Bible. Also, its pretty silly to use big bang -term as alternative for the beginning. Bible does not mention about big bang but it does mention about world wide flood.
Nacluw 3 years ago
Fine, then ignore the pictures of evidence we have for the Big Bang.
Trin80ty 3 years ago
the pictures of evidence we have for the Big Bang. ?
MarlinMr 3 years ago 4
Google it. For example, some of the pictures were published in National Geographic.
Trin80ty 3 years ago
okay... so if you have pictures of the big bang.. thats proof? a drwing..? made by man?
MarlinMr 3 years ago 2
Pictures of the Big Bang= pictures of an event that happened billions of years ago.
Trin80ty 3 years ago
wow... Who took them?
MarlinMr 3 years ago 2
Google it. The Hubble Space Telescope.
Trin80ty 3 years ago
lol. you had me going for a second. I thought just like MarlinMr was thinking. I thought what pictures of the big bang?? But then.. yea your right. You can get them from hubble! ;)
truckcompany 3 years ago
you cant see what happnd in the big bang. from hubble arrnt they gonna send a new one 2012 especial for that,/.
themanchan90 2 years ago
Yea I think they are both wrong lol. You cant look at the big bang really because there was nothing before and there was not a start to the big bang. Time and matter is an attribute of the big bang.
You can only see the result of the big bang which can be fractions of a second after the "event" of the big bang. But it's not really an event because it implies there was a start to the event. But you know what I mean!
truckcompany 2 years ago
Sorry, but both of you are ignorant. The Big Bang was an expansion not creation. Scientists are trying to discover how what expanded came into being. Science seeks to answer those types of questions. Whereas, religion says it already knows.
Secondly we have pictures of the Big Bang!! Seriously look it up, they are amazing. It's the fall out radiation from the Big Bang taken by the Hubble Telescope.
This is old news.
Trin80ty 2 years ago
Ohh I see, I'm wrong. From Wikipedia the Big Bang is the "initial conditions and subsequent development of the universe". I thought it was just the initial conditions.
So really everyone is wrong. You could say me and you are part of the Big Bang. Since we are part of the universe. You dont need a hubble telescope to see the big bang.
Sometimes its not "ignorance" and just education.
And not all the religions are ignorant. But probably most are.
truckcompany 2 years ago
Hovind's even disliked by other Creationists! :|
AuthenticPunkDance 3 years ago
You should've listened more carefully. They just had minor differences in interpreting the same part. It's not that hard to understand.
mercurius360 3 years ago
Ross demonstrates with evidence that the Earth is 4.5 billion years old, Kent makes up claims that its 6,000 years old.
That is not a minor issue.
g12er 3 years ago