once again bullshit, at this point time, chris benoit was the only one in that group ppl cared about, they were a big deal in wwe because they came from wcw not because they were the best in the world
@BigTheNoodlez he was wcw champion for 24 hours, he won the belt from sid vicious the night before they showed up on wwe so it was like he won the title than quit wcw. you are a real wrestling fan i see to not know that.
Wait Benoit was World Champion and they just let him walk out without question and go to the compition? D: I know it's super smarky to say this but I'm pretty sure I could have run this company better
I miss Eddie Guerrero, he was such an awesome wrestler and I like his mama sita and his lie, cheat, steal angle before he went heel on Rey in his run in the WWE.
@hbk2hhh he could brawl, he could do awesome, brutal suplexes, he could beat u with submissions, he could go off the top rope, he knew martial arts and could do devastating kicks, and he was just overall badass when they let him be himself like when he was with the eliminators in ECW and in raven's flock in wcw.
@hbk2hhh saturn was absolutely NOT crap. he was an amazing wrestler when he wasn't saddled with some stupid ass gimmick like when he had to wear a dress or had to pretend to be crazy and be in love with a mop called "moppy." saturn was the only wrestler i have ever seen, besides maybe hbk, who could wrestler ANY style.
really wish i could have seen the look on vince's face when he found out malenko guerrero saturn and benoit all left wcw. I keep picturing him with the same smile on his face that the grinch had when he had the idea to steal christmas
Eddie thru his work made the fans force vince to give him the belt.
Benoit was never more than the work horse even with the belt.
Vince saw these guys, knew they were the best group of ring talent around & knew that he could get his first dig at wcw by burying their best and they would love it cause they weren't being "held down by the nWo"
@theraVen27 meh at the time they were some of the hottest new talent out there so it just seems like a fucking waste to keep them and jericho as mid cards and continuing to give hogan nash etc the belt.
Valid point, other than the fact 2 of the four radicalz were overrated (malenko and saturn) and the other two well one was a cokehead, I don't care how wwe buried the truth, your heart doesn't just stop for no reason if you are in good health. And the other was a roid raging mass murderer. Noone should ever even acknowledge that thing in wrestling again, I would go piss on his grave
@Ratmann3684 Because pretty much everyone in WWF/WWE knew that the Radicalz were going to jump ship from WCW because they were treated like shit, especially Benoit and Guerrero.
@NMbarrassment Saturn and Malenko never got too far in WWE, midcard status at best, they had pretty good runs in the tag team division, and both of them had some nice valets (Saturn had Terri Runnels and Malenko had a couple different girls with him during his "Double Ho Seven" gimmick).
Malenko retired from wrestling in 2001, but works for the WWE as a road agent.
Saturn had some personal demons to contend with, and literally was homeless for a couple years, but has since gotten cleaned up.
WCW just simply failed to make stars. Goldberg, Booker T, and the same old WWF guys. WCW pushed 2 guys while WWF was making HHH, Austin, Rock, Foley, Angle, Hardys, Edge & Christian. Then started stealing the young WCW talent and pushing them. Benoit, Guerrero, Jericho, Big show at that time. Clearly WCW was overmatched. I went to a WCW show in 2000 and the crowd starting chanting "Same old Sh*t" over and over. WCW never moved with the buisness and thats why they are out of buisness.
If Mick Foley came back to WWE today someone could deliver his speech back to him without changing a word and it would actually be more true of TNA v. WWE than it was of WWE v, WCW.
The Radicalz didn't just walk away. Well, actually they did, but Bischoff had a confab with the talent and told them that if they didn't like it there, they could walk out and they'd be given their unconditional releases. Benoit, Guerrero, Saturn and Malenko were the ones who took him up on it. I believe Raven said later on that he thought about joining them, but regretted not doing so.
@KevServo thats 100 percent wrong, bishoff did ask anyone if they wanted to be released but that wasaround the end of 1998 and raven was the only one to get up and leave. The radicals all left for wwf in early 2000
Incorrect. Bischoff had nothing to do with it. Kevin Sullivan was in fact the man who offered and granted them their releases. Bischoff wasn't even there at the time.
Also, Raven walked out before The Radicalz did and rejoined ECW. It was actually Shane Douglas that regretted not joining The Radicalz on their way out.
@iTubeYourDadsMinge What? Not trying to be offensive so I apologize if I am in advance. Who the hell do you get your information from? Not trying to be a funny or an asshole. That's a serious question.
@KevServo Actually Raven left when Bischoff offered anyone their release then those 4 asked for their release but in attempt to keep them he gave Benoit the belt and stripped it off of him the next week after he won it so they could sign with the E
the radicalz were great in their debut but the wwe totally dropped the ball on the group as a whole. and the angle they used to bring them in was a total rip off of how wcw brought in nash and hall.
Foley: "It's just beginning." OH HELL YEAH! Benoit and Guerrero won numerous titles in the WWF. Kind of sad for Perry Saturn though, getting stuck with a mop gimmick. Damn.
in fairness wcw used malenko and saturn alot than wwe and sullivan made benoit world on benoits last night in the company, but those 4 were a massive loss, sullivan says it in his shoot dvd on the end of wcw. eddie was one of the top three all rounders ever in my opinion. thanks for the vids, hope no 12 is comin
I just wanna point out look at how dark WCW arenas were compared to WWE. I know it's mainly cuz there weren't enough people to fill the arenas but it just comes off looking horrible on TV.
I marked out like fuck when radicalz came to WWE.... although say what you like about WCW, Dean Malenko and Perry Saturn got used alot better in WCW than they did WWE!!
This was the ultimate nail in the coffin for WCW. Because Kevin Sullivan became head booker, they all left immediately. I think it hurt WCW beyond repair since Benoit was the Champion who never lost the title.
It would have hurt WWF in similar ways had the Montreal Screwjob not happened. I love Bret Hart, but from a business standpoint, McMahon made the unpopular, yet correct decision.
@aspectra This was a definite sign that WCW was toast. Four of the most talented Superstars on the roster grew sick of the politics played and walked out. Even winning the WCW title didn't keep Benoit from going. When someone who wins the World Title leaves on your watch, you know the company is that bad. WCW had the inabillity to create new stars and instead revolved around washed up has beens like Hogan, Nash and Goldberg. The four got so disgusted with WCW and left, and I don't blame them.
in chris benoit hard knocks dvd, he said he did dislike his work in wcw because of all the politics in the wcw. he won the wcw champion by politics, he disliked that. he like the wwe better because it gives you chance for a championship shot
DAYUM! They cudda been the NEW 4 Horsemen....lol. If Evolution was the angle back then during that WWE era....it woulda been nice to see these 4 men raise hell on WWE like how the horsemen did. But im pretty sure Vince was like....we dont wanna have these FORMER WCW dudes be the focal point of our Raw brand. I love how they made there presence known!! Now if u throw the OLD BLONDE STING back & add him w/ these 4 men....WOW! They cudda jumpstart that whole raw edge horsemen thang again!
I knew WCW had failed when the Radicalz showed up in WWE. Sadly, Eddie and Chris died, they made Perry into a joke, and I think Dean retired or something cause I didn't see much of him.
And that's one of WWE's problems, their superstars aren't being properly used.
If you take these guys, then throw in jericho and big show, WCW gave up a whole group of guys that could have anchored their mid-card, and main event for a decade.
This moment was great for what it was worth at that time. I mean, how often do you get 4 quality wrestlers, including 1 where he just won the rival promotion's top title, only to be stripped of it, thus making him an undefeated WCW champion upon entering WWF/E?
This moment was great for what it was worth at that time. I mean, how often do you get 4 quality wrestlers, including 1 where he just won the rival promotion's top title, only to be stripped of it, thus making him an undefeated WCW champion upon entering WWF/E?
@tapiaassasin thank you, everybody on here is praising wwe for grabbing them & saying they did a great job and wcw was stupoid to lose them, wtf is everybody on? benoit was at the top on wcw's card, eddie was heading the mid-card at this point and so were saturn and malenko had a hold of the cruiser weight division like they should have been. they came to wwe and stayed at the exact same level that they were in wcw for years some even got treated worse.
@bakadazcha yes i do. history speaks for itself. too many act like these 4 came to WWE and got treated like kings got title matches and so forth...WRONG they came in hot and got taken back down to the level they in WCW. remember Guerrero got the heavyweight strap till 04 and so did benoit. saturn never won dick and malenko won the light heavy weight just like...ummm oh yeah WCW. people act like these 4 were gold and deserved keys to the kingdom earlier than they got it. WRONG.
@tapiaassasin I get the feeling that Guerrero's drug-related death would have happened regardless of where he was working. Can't remember what caused Benoit to do what he did, but I doubt moving to WWF had much to do with it.
Letting Saturn, Malenko, Eddy Guererro, and Benoit out of their WCW contracts was a huge mistake. Looking back on it, it practically was a Christmas gift for Vince McMahon. Blame JJ Dillon for giving the four wrestlers their unconditional release.
I do agree the political environment of the WCW, with egoists like Hogan and Flair pulling the strings, made it nearly impossible for young talent to be any more that mid-carders. That's why Chris Jericho jumped ship as well.
@Sentinel2k1 They love the radicalz because compared to NAO,they are superior atheletes.Malenko,Saturn,Beonoit and Guerrero put their bodies thru more hell than either James or Kip ever did!
One of the big things for Eddie (GRHS) was the disrespect of being told he had less than a minute to go lose the Cruiserweight title so they could squeeze in some extra NWO stuff.
All four members of the Radicalz (3 from the Revolution & Eddie from the Filthy Animalz) were stars in the making which WCW never took time to develop nor groom.
Like all the WCW great angels Vince could've had they ended up ruining everything and their characters. Saturn was cool, but they ruined his personality. Vince made all the WCW guys look like jokes in the long run. DDP is another great example of that; same with Booker-T. WCW guys were more popular then WWF, and it killed Vince. So he ruined them ASAP. Hence why Sting won't go to the WWE. He knows his charachter will be used poorly.
@Sambarre yep ddp decided to retire of back problem nothing to do with vince, and ya i agree totally thats why booker t goldberg chris beniot chris jericho rey mysterio eddie guerrero etc all won world titles because vince hates them that makes sense
@Sambarre Dude, no offense but Perry Saturn and DDP came into WWE thinking they were going to make all sorts of ridiculous demands of Vince. DDP wanted the WWE title, Vince buried him in an angle with Undertaker. Well deserved as DDP is a fucking prick who threw people under the bus every chance he got. Saturn was never liked by anyone in WCW so Vince just pushed him aside as well.
@romeokid69 DDP was actually building up some heat again after the disastrous Undertaker feud. He was back into his "motivational speaker" gimmick, and the Diamond Cutter was being built up again as a major threat. But then Hardcore Holly came along and botched a superplex and injured Page, which put an end to the angle before it really got started.
@bukkake2007 It does not take a genius to know that Vince took certain WCW talent just so he could bury them. It's been that way ever since he bought WCW.
What I was asking is how you know that DDP & Saturn were thinking they were going to make crazy demands and that DDP is a prick? Who did he throw under the bus and when? How do you know that Saturn wasn't liked by anyone in WCW? How do you have this inside information?
@bukkake2007 It isn't inside information. It's knowing how the business works. I have been a part of the business for over 20 years as a wrestler, announcer, cameraman, etc. I am not saying I ever spoke to any of these guys, but it's no real big secret that most guys he worked with think DDP is a major prick. From what I understand from some people who have worked with Saturn, he was ok to get along with but in the ring, he was an asshole, always working stiff.
So how did you know that DDP and saturn were trying to make riciculous demands of Vince? Who says DDP was a cunt and who said Saturn was stiff? You got any examples? What was your wrestling name and which promotions were you in?
@bukkake2007 First off, where are you getting the word cunt? I never used that in my replies or comments. Secondly, I worked with the likes of Scott Taylor, Vince Apollo, HHH (before the big time), Tony Roy (who was one of Vince's most popular jobbers, especially in the Northeast). All 4 guys have worked with Saturn and they all agree, he was one of the most stiff guys in the business. 3 of the 4 also worked with DDP who was, in most people's opinion, his own best salesman.
I was paraphrasing. You said DDP was a prick and would throw people under the bus, that's cunt behaviour. You still havn't said how you know he did that or to whom. Or how you know that they made ridiculous demands of Vince, did somebody tell you after the fact or are you assuming based on what you've heard about the guys?
You said DDP was a massive prick and would throw people under a bus, that's cunt behaviour. I was paraphrasing. You still havn't said how you know that DDP and Saturn ere trying to make ridiculous demands, did somebody tell you after the fact or are you assuming based on what you know about them? Who also did DDP throw under a bus and when?
@bukkake2007 I have worked for a few orginazations, most notably UCW in the Northeast. That is where I met Scott Taylor (Scotty 2 Hotty) and Vince Apollo. Also worked for Northeast All Star Wrestling which used to be run by Jeff Costa who was a popular NWA jobber who got the thrill of his life when he was selected to wrestle Ric Flair back in the mid 80's. So please dont come on here thinking you scare me by trying to back me into a corner. I stand by what I say because of my experience.
What makes you think I'm trying to scare you? I genuinely want to know the answers to these questions. You'll also forgive me for doubting any sort of inside knowledge as there are a plethora of wankers talking on youtube about how they know this or they know this guy said that etc.
So what was your wrestling name and how did you know that DDP and Saturn were trying to make ridiculous demands? Did somebody tell you after the fact?
@romeokid69 What makes you think I'm trying to scare you? I genuinely want to know the answers to these questions. You'll also forgive me for doubting any sort of inside knowledge as there are a plethora of wankers talking on youtube about how they know this or they know this guy said that etc.
So what was your wrestling name and how did you know that DDP and Saturn were trying to make ridiculous demands? Did somebody tell you after the fact?
Not trying to scare you, I just really would like to know the answers to these questions. You also get hundreds of wankers on youtube raving about how they know this guy doesn't like that guy or this guy is a dick backstage etc as if they have inside knowledge when they don't at all so you'll have to forgive me for my skepticism.
So how do you know that DDP and Saturn were makng huge demands? Did somebody tell you after the fact?
@bukkake2007 Ok, my name in UCW was Greg Golden. I had the moniker of "The Chosen One" long before Jeff Jarrett. LOL....look, sorry if I seem defensive. You seem like a genuine fan who is just looking for some answers. Jeff Costa and Vince Apollo both worked with DDP from time to time while jobbers were just about to phase out of the business. They both said he thought he was the greatest wrestler out of anyone he worked with and that when he went to WWE, he tried to reneg on his contract.
@bukkake2007 Also, Taylor has worked with DDP after he came to WWE and said that Vince was literally scared of him. Taylor and Apollo also worked with Saturn and they both said that the guy just never gave a shit about anyone except people like Benoit, Guerrero and Malenko.
@Sambarre search "the REAL reason Sting wont go to WWE" on YT. Vince wasnt gonna bury him, but TNA sure as hell is. Vince made Sting an INCREDIBLE offer.
Booker T did just fine. The WWE nWo failed becuz of the talent NOT VINCE. And DDP said he used Sara to bring out the best in Taker...how is saying "Im going after the biggest baddest guy you got!" burying DDP?
Vince WANTED to turn Smackdown into Nitro but the ratings bombed when he tried. FACT. "Vince wanted to bury wCw" is IWC bullshit.
The Radicalz were good, but the only one of truly main event caliber is obviously Benoit. The other 3 should've stayed midcarders. Giving Eddie the WWE was dumb, just another stupid little present to certain whiny fans of his who overrated him.
@whoo689 CM Punk was a worthy champion. He has great ability, great charisma and really works being a heel well.
What was bullshit is the fact they cut his reign so short because of backstage politics. One of the few people under WWE contract that actually deserve the title. Why give it to Rey Burrito when he has wobbly knees and is plagued by injury trouble? Because the kids love him.
Eddie was in no way overrated. He could totally go with technical skill and a mix of some high flying. His matches were great. CM Punk is a great mic worker and he can go also. See his indy work.
@KennedyMrKennedy I thought WCW sucked so bad, if they had Paul Heyman writing, they might have been better. Goldberg was awesome, Sting and the young talent didn't really get a chance, but at least old farts are fixing to leave TNA thank God.
I remember this show, the big white sign in the center-left that you can't really read said "Will the last employee to leave WCW please turn out the lights."
None of these guys went onto to achieve much in WWE, Eddie won the title after years because Brock Lesnar was quiting, and Beniot had his token run only to end up back in mid card 6months later and then you know what he did not long after that, Saturn and Malenko never got out of mid card, all in all it was a dumb move.
@sevenforcex Malenko was almost 40 years old by the time he got to WWE. I dont think he expected to get a run at the Championship. He retired in 2001 and is now a road agent with WWE. Im pretty sure he made the right move whether he got out of midcard or not.
4 of the best Wrestlers in the ring. I'd remember that Night. Benoit was a crazy MOFO also back then. What crazy jumps of the top rope and hits his head actually on someones shoulder???
@KennedyMrKennedy Who cares about Radicalz? No one of them was a big draw even as a champ. Oh yeah with Malenko as world heavyweight champion WCW would survive. You're kidding. This can't be considered as the Reason why WCW Failed.
WCW was down the drain before the Radicals left so this was not a reason for WCW dying. At the time more wrestlers said they would quit WCW, including all the top draws, if the Radicals got their way and Sullivan was removed than the 4 guys who ended up leaving. Other guys said they would quit with the Radicals and ended up just blowing hot air. Saturn and Malenko did zilch in WWF, Eddie was in and out with drugs, and Benoit almost killed the WWF along with his family
I really wish that twerp Vince Russo had never got involved with WCW though I think he ruined the name of the company and maybe Vince McMahon thought that the brand was past saving?
I think that the radicalz invasion was far more successful than the later WCW invasion. They really cocked that up! I think Vince should have kept WCW seperate for a while get someone else to run it and get it going good again. Then after say a year, when they had had time to sort WCW out and get the main WCW guys like Sting, Goldberg, etc on board then they could have had an annual event where the 2 companies met. These could have then been the two brands like he has going now. WWE and WCW.
@lbm1985 That's true. I'm pretty sure that match is somewhere on youtube as well. BTW, check this out, Chris Daniels returned to Ring of Honor last night and gave the impression that he was done with TNA.
WWF was not kind to Perry Saturn...
AndersonHenderson 3 days ago
once again bullshit, at this point time, chris benoit was the only one in that group ppl cared about, they were a big deal in wwe because they came from wcw not because they were the best in the world
sweetpetergeda 3 weeks ago
the midcarders...
AyeSkyeTech 3 weeks ago in playlist Uploaded videos
Benoit won his first (also i think only) world title in 2004... I don't know where ur getting that he was champ in WCW
BigTheNoodlez 3 weeks ago
@BigTheNoodlez he was wcw champion for 24 hours, he won the belt from sid vicious the night before they showed up on wwe so it was like he won the title than quit wcw. you are a real wrestling fan i see to not know that.
sweetpetergeda 3 weeks ago
Wait Benoit was World Champion and they just let him walk out without question and go to the compition? D: I know it's super smarky to say this but I'm pretty sure I could have run this company better
DrDopenhagen 4 weeks ago
people forget that benoit was world champion when he left wcw
thepointyone100 2 months ago
Dean looks like Bruce Willis lol
eza1 3 months ago
I remember this oh sweet days attitude come back home we miss you so much
eza1 3 months ago
hmm mop?
301SO 3 months ago
I miss Eddie Guerrero, he was such an awesome wrestler and I like his mama sita and his lie, cheat, steal angle before he went heel on Rey in his run in the WWE.
blueswan1984 3 months ago
When Foley looks like Giant Gonzales compared to you, maybe you're just too short.
ScottAlmighty 3 months ago
Dean Malenko was SO good!
Dean vs benoit are some of the best matches in the history of recordings.
...eddies mullet never got any better than this haha
theraVen27 3 months ago 7
all these guys were in ecw then went to wcw then wwf
kannzzz 3 months ago
lmao mick foley talkin shit bout wcw was classic hahaha "im actually gettin paid to be here,were not givin seats away" hahahahaha
RickAlmeidaNemesis 3 months ago
This is how they should have done the invasion angle.
crazenate 4 months ago
saturn was crap he soulda went to the indys right away never did anything good in his career and a crapy wrestler
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@hbk2hhh he could brawl, he could do awesome, brutal suplexes, he could beat u with submissions, he could go off the top rope, he knew martial arts and could do devastating kicks, and he was just overall badass when they let him be himself like when he was with the eliminators in ECW and in raven's flock in wcw.
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@hbk2hhh saturn was absolutely NOT crap. he was an amazing wrestler when he wasn't saddled with some stupid ass gimmick like when he had to wear a dress or had to pretend to be crazy and be in love with a mop called "moppy." saturn was the only wrestler i have ever seen, besides maybe hbk, who could wrestler ANY style.
oasisg9 1 month ago
really wish i could have seen the look on vince's face when he found out malenko guerrero saturn and benoit all left wcw. I keep picturing him with the same smile on his face that the grinch had when he had the idea to steal christmas
DantesProphet 4 months ago
@DantesProphet
Malenko soon retired for health reasons.
Saturn wore a dress and was fired.
Eddie thru his work made the fans force vince to give him the belt.
Benoit was never more than the work horse even with the belt.
Vince saw these guys, knew they were the best group of ring talent around & knew that he could get his first dig at wcw by burying their best and they would love it cause they weren't being "held down by the nWo"
no no being buried by vince is better.
theraVen27 3 months ago
@theraVen27 meh at the time they were some of the hottest new talent out there so it just seems like a fucking waste to keep them and jericho as mid cards and continuing to give hogan nash etc the belt.
DantesProphet 3 months ago
@DantesProphet
it was/is a waste but what's different in the wwe?
look at how long it took these guys to get to main event if they ever did.
look at the main event picture today...
The grass was only greener because wwe was big enuf to still be here tomorrow.
theraVen27 3 months ago
Mike Graham...what a fucking idiot.
MrThatswhatshesaid12 4 months ago
When Benoit, Eddie, Saturn and Malenko left en masse, I knew WCW was fucked.
DarthCipient 5 months ago
You can tell Benoit is just itching to get out of here and kill his family
JoeF8577 5 months ago
@JoeF8577 That's not even a little bit funny.
michaelgrnfld1 5 months ago
"what does it feel to look out and actually see people in the audience,lolololol had me in stitches"
olokun80 5 months ago
Valid point, other than the fact 2 of the four radicalz were overrated (malenko and saturn) and the other two well one was a cokehead, I don't care how wwe buried the truth, your heart doesn't just stop for no reason if you are in good health. And the other was a roid raging mass murderer. Noone should ever even acknowledge that thing in wrestling again, I would go piss on his grave
sjwilson1079 5 months ago
when eddie,benoit,saturn,and malenko left it meant no more great wrestling matches
ThePincheguey26 5 months ago
how the hell did the radicalz already have theme music when they jumped the outlaws?
Ratmann3684 6 months ago
@Ratmann3684 Because pretty much everyone in WWF/WWE knew that the Radicalz were going to jump ship from WCW because they were treated like shit, especially Benoit and Guerrero.
HeavyMetalBeliever 5 months ago
WCW was screwed over by too many people having booking power...
axelsteel21 6 months ago
wcw had stone cold and bischoff screwed him
SicilianGunner 6 months ago
What hapenned to Malenko & Saturn anyway in WWE?
I've seen Malenko on a few WWE dvd's which tells me he works as a booker or something, but that's just my guess.
NMbarrassment 7 months ago
@NMbarrassment Saturn and Malenko never got too far in WWE, midcard status at best, they had pretty good runs in the tag team division, and both of them had some nice valets (Saturn had Terri Runnels and Malenko had a couple different girls with him during his "Double Ho Seven" gimmick).
Malenko retired from wrestling in 2001, but works for the WWE as a road agent.
Saturn had some personal demons to contend with, and literally was homeless for a couple years, but has since gotten cleaned up.
DevilTakeMe 6 months ago
@NMbarrassment Malenko's a road agent he does the physical Match booking helping with spots and stuff and is sometimes on camera...
axelsteel21 6 months ago
WCW just simply failed to make stars. Goldberg, Booker T, and the same old WWF guys. WCW pushed 2 guys while WWF was making HHH, Austin, Rock, Foley, Angle, Hardys, Edge & Christian. Then started stealing the young WCW talent and pushing them. Benoit, Guerrero, Jericho, Big show at that time. Clearly WCW was overmatched. I went to a WCW show in 2000 and the crowd starting chanting "Same old Sh*t" over and over. WCW never moved with the buisness and thats why they are out of buisness.
putzbasterd 7 months ago
wcw sucked so bad at that time, when benoit left them he was the wcw champ
solo13th 7 months ago
wtf listen to the crowd
THEREALDEALDUDE1 7 months ago
steve blackmen was the most underrated wrestler of all time
bigtaxdizzle 8 months ago
i swear these guy were in wcw aswell and wcw let them go to wwe again with letting talent go to wwe
AdamKhanRs5 9 months ago
Hey allow playback on ipod
theninja234 9 months ago
If Mick Foley came back to WWE today someone could deliver his speech back to him without changing a word and it would actually be more true of TNA v. WWE than it was of WWE v, WCW.
dallasisgood 9 months ago
The Radicalz didn't just walk away. Well, actually they did, but Bischoff had a confab with the talent and told them that if they didn't like it there, they could walk out and they'd be given their unconditional releases. Benoit, Guerrero, Saturn and Malenko were the ones who took him up on it. I believe Raven said later on that he thought about joining them, but regretted not doing so.
Benoit was World Champion at the time.
KevServo 9 months ago 11
@KevServo thats 100 percent wrong, bishoff did ask anyone if they wanted to be released but that wasaround the end of 1998 and raven was the only one to get up and leave. The radicals all left for wwf in early 2000
hbk2hhh 4 months ago
@hbk2hhh raven left in summer of 99
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@KevServo
Incorrect. Bischoff had nothing to do with it. Kevin Sullivan was in fact the man who offered and granted them their releases. Bischoff wasn't even there at the time.
Also, Raven walked out before The Radicalz did and rejoined ECW. It was actually Shane Douglas that regretted not joining The Radicalz on their way out.
iTubeYourDadsMinge 3 months ago
@iTubeYourDadsMinge What? Not trying to be offensive so I apologize if I am in advance. Who the hell do you get your information from? Not trying to be a funny or an asshole. That's a serious question.
SuperWarking 1 month ago
@KevServo Actually Raven left when Bischoff offered anyone their release then those 4 asked for their release but in attempt to keep them he gave Benoit the belt and stripped it off of him the next week after he won it so they could sign with the E
TheTrae333 3 months ago
@KevServo why, you saw what wwe did to raven when he did go so i guess either way it went, if it wasnt ecw, he was fucked anyway lol
sweetpetergeda 3 weeks ago
i used to watch wcw as a kid for the nwo thinking it was soo cool i feel foolish not to have watched wwf insted
Cmadden52 9 months ago
the radicalz were great in their debut but the wwe totally dropped the ball on the group as a whole. and the angle they used to bring them in was a total rip off of how wcw brought in nash and hall.
ultimakewl 9 months ago
I like Saturn's hat.
joesomenumbers 9 months ago
its so shocking they had music ready for them lmfao
Docsdanameppp 9 months ago
@Docsdanameppp Actually that wasn't their music, it was Al Snow's heel theme. But I think that music would have worked good for them lol
EricV1 9 months ago
Foley: "It's just beginning." OH HELL YEAH! Benoit and Guerrero won numerous titles in the WWF. Kind of sad for Perry Saturn though, getting stuck with a mop gimmick. Damn.
MultiPring 10 months ago
I love when after Foley asks about performing infront of actual fans, Dean Malenko chimes in and says hwo he kept looking for empty chairs lol.
lebutzki 10 months ago
"Where they goin' now.... DAMN they goin' up the ramp!"
toastedtesticles 10 months ago
Malenko is still one Hell of a man and, say what you want about Benoit, he was a Hell of a wrestler and one of the greats
jolly4 11 months ago
in fairness wcw used malenko and saturn alot than wwe and sullivan made benoit world on benoits last night in the company, but those 4 were a massive loss, sullivan says it in his shoot dvd on the end of wcw. eddie was one of the top three all rounders ever in my opinion. thanks for the vids, hope no 12 is comin
alrussell1985 11 months ago
I just wanna point out look at how dark WCW arenas were compared to WWE. I know it's mainly cuz there weren't enough people to fill the arenas but it just comes off looking horrible on TV.
tb049 11 months ago
what's the nameof the song?
Pippoabed300 11 months ago
I marked out like fuck when radicalz came to WWE.... although say what you like about WCW, Dean Malenko and Perry Saturn got used alot better in WCW than they did WWE!!
UltimateSenshi 11 months ago
They left because of Backstage politics in WCW
hasman22222 1 year ago
The Radicalz were 4 wrestlers while the nWo had half the roster ffs....and the Radz could outwrestle anyone under the Black & White/Black &Red
CJShameless 1 year ago 19
@CJShameless first off perry saturn sucked and curt henning, bret hart and sting could wrestle
hbk2hhh 4 months ago
Russo don't like this video...
BillyKip 1 year ago
that's jericho dumb ass!
dunnnigga08 1 year ago
Easily THE greatest acquisition WWE has ever scored, next to Kurt Angle.
Sanguiluna 1 year ago
benoit was the first wcw champ since flair to jump to the wwf without losing the title
paul21mclovin 1 year ago
This was the ultimate nail in the coffin for WCW. Because Kevin Sullivan became head booker, they all left immediately. I think it hurt WCW beyond repair since Benoit was the Champion who never lost the title.
It would have hurt WWF in similar ways had the Montreal Screwjob not happened. I love Bret Hart, but from a business standpoint, McMahon made the unpopular, yet correct decision.
aspectra 1 year ago
@aspectra This was a definite sign that WCW was toast. Four of the most talented Superstars on the roster grew sick of the politics played and walked out. Even winning the WCW title didn't keep Benoit from going. When someone who wins the World Title leaves on your watch, you know the company is that bad. WCW had the inabillity to create new stars and instead revolved around washed up has beens like Hogan, Nash and Goldberg. The four got so disgusted with WCW and left, and I don't blame them.
EricV1 10 months ago
@EricV1, TNA's going to suffer the same thing.
tjmack010 9 months ago
Best part of this video = Saturn' shirt
julio11702 1 year ago
am i only one that noticed he said kennedy and put a picture of jericho up
jackiswwe789 1 year ago
in chris benoit hard knocks dvd, he said he did dislike his work in wcw because of all the politics in the wcw. he won the wcw champion by politics, he disliked that. he like the wwe better because it gives you chance for a championship shot
alrightlol 1 year ago
i remember seeing the Radicalz for the first time i freaked it was even better than when the NWO came over in WCW
digitalbots 1 year ago
King: Wow, CM Punk was right! We DO have the worst security here!!
GurahkWeavile 1 year ago
The Radicalz fucking ruled.
Chewyfied 1 year ago
DAYUM! They cudda been the NEW 4 Horsemen....lol. If Evolution was the angle back then during that WWE era....it woulda been nice to see these 4 men raise hell on WWE like how the horsemen did. But im pretty sure Vince was like....we dont wanna have these FORMER WCW dudes be the focal point of our Raw brand. I love how they made there presence known!! Now if u throw the OLD BLONDE STING back & add him w/ these 4 men....WOW! They cudda jumpstart that whole raw edge horsemen thang again!
RowlexEnterprise 1 year ago
What does this have to do with wcw?
RKOFAN24 1 year ago
@RKOFAN24 Where do you think they came from? You do realise that Benoit won a WCW Heavyweight Title match just before this, right?
bakadazcha 1 year ago
@bakadazcha i was talking about the WWF/E footage
RKOFAN24 1 year ago
We miss you Eddie; and you too Chris...
GurahkWeavile 1 year ago
I knew WCW had failed when the Radicalz showed up in WWE. Sadly, Eddie and Chris died, they made Perry into a joke, and I think Dean retired or something cause I didn't see much of him.
And that's one of WWE's problems, their superstars aren't being properly used.
job489 1 year ago
If you take these guys, then throw in jericho and big show, WCW gave up a whole group of guys that could have anchored their mid-card, and main event for a decade.
prozac70 1 year ago
thank you ecw?
dincus2747 1 year ago
Eddie Guerrero - dead
Chris Benoit - dead
Perry Saturn - relegated to joker status
Dean Malenko - non-existant
Guess it wasn't such a good move afterall.
tapiaassasin 1 year ago
This moment was great for what it was worth at that time. I mean, how often do you get 4 quality wrestlers, including 1 where he just won the rival promotion's top title, only to be stripped of it, thus making him an undefeated WCW champion upon entering WWF/E?
Sadly, only Malenko works for WWE now, backstage.
rlouie05 1 year ago
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This moment was great for what it was worth at that time. I mean, how often do you get 4 quality wrestlers, including 1 where he just won the rival promotion's top title, only to be stripped of it, thus making him an undefeated WCW champion upon entering WWF/E?
Sadly, only Malenko works for WWE now, backstage.
rlouie05 1 year ago
@tapiaassasin thank you, everybody on here is praising wwe for grabbing them & saying they did a great job and wcw was stupoid to lose them, wtf is everybody on? benoit was at the top on wcw's card, eddie was heading the mid-card at this point and so were saturn and malenko had a hold of the cruiser weight division like they should have been. they came to wwe and stayed at the exact same level that they were in wcw for years some even got treated worse.
Thornaholic 1 year ago
@Thornaholic Wow. You honestly believe that Benoit and Guerrero were being treated well in WCW?
bakadazcha 1 year ago
@bakadazcha yes i do. history speaks for itself. too many act like these 4 came to WWE and got treated like kings got title matches and so forth...WRONG they came in hot and got taken back down to the level they in WCW. remember Guerrero got the heavyweight strap till 04 and so did benoit. saturn never won dick and malenko won the light heavy weight just like...ummm oh yeah WCW. people act like these 4 were gold and deserved keys to the kingdom earlier than they got it. WRONG.
Thornaholic 1 year ago
@tapiaassasin I get the feeling that Guerrero's drug-related death would have happened regardless of where he was working. Can't remember what caused Benoit to do what he did, but I doubt moving to WWF had much to do with it.
bakadazcha 1 year ago
I was psyched about the acquistion of the Radicalz. It was a great edition to the WWE. The wrestling quality of the company went sky high.
TheSWFuniverse 1 year ago
Letting Saturn, Malenko, Eddy Guererro, and Benoit out of their WCW contracts was a huge mistake. Looking back on it, it practically was a Christmas gift for Vince McMahon. Blame JJ Dillon for giving the four wrestlers their unconditional release.
I do agree the political environment of the WCW, with egoists like Hogan and Flair pulling the strings, made it nearly impossible for young talent to be any more that mid-carders. That's why Chris Jericho jumped ship as well.
basherman69 1 year ago 9
listen to the crowd! they love The Radicals you don't hear the crowd this loud anymore
Sentinel2k1 1 year ago
@Sentinel2k1 They love the radicalz because compared to NAO,they are superior atheletes.Malenko,Saturn,Beonoit and Guerrero put their bodies thru more hell than either James or Kip ever did!
SweetWhiskerz 1 year ago
@SweetWhiskerz
Very true especially Benoit, not to mention that they were real good technical wrestlers
Sentinel2k1 1 year ago
The "vanilla midgets" clean house.
MisterBoswell 1 year ago
At 1:12 is that Al Snow's music?
NMbarrassment 1 year ago
@NMbarrassment Yeah, that was his short lived theme music.
rocker316ify 1 year ago
@rocker316ify Any idea why they had it?
NMbarrassment 1 year ago
@NMbarrassment I guess Al Snow had just beaten one of the New Age Outlaws in a match.
rocker316ify 1 year ago
@rocker316ify Lol! Thanks, I didn't even see him. Had to watch the video a few times.
NMbarrassment 1 year ago
@NMbarrassment Yeah, I only heard Al Snow's heel music and saw Road Dogg rolling out of the ring.
rocker316ify 1 year ago
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@NMbarrassment Yeah, that was his short lived heel theme.
rocker316ify 1 year ago
One of the big things for Eddie (GRHS) was the disrespect of being told he had less than a minute to go lose the Cruiserweight title so they could squeeze in some extra NWO stuff.
dukeskunk 1 year ago
All four members of the Radicalz (3 from the Revolution & Eddie from the Filthy Animalz) were stars in the making which WCW never took time to develop nor groom.
OtorresFitness 1 year ago
Lol at King Lawler....W here are they going, their going up the ramp lol xD
Kidz24 1 year ago
The vids just get better and better...5 down,idk how many to go XD
I subbed and rated!:D
CodeIamx 1 year ago
I was so loyal wcw and anti wwf at the time but when Chris Benoit went to the wwf I started to watch it...
SRPC21 1 year ago
If WCW wasn't already screwed, it was totally fucked after this.
jarrethcutestory 1 year ago
Like all the WCW great angels Vince could've had they ended up ruining everything and their characters. Saturn was cool, but they ruined his personality. Vince made all the WCW guys look like jokes in the long run. DDP is another great example of that; same with Booker-T. WCW guys were more popular then WWF, and it killed Vince. So he ruined them ASAP. Hence why Sting won't go to the WWE. He knows his charachter will be used poorly.
Sambarre 1 year ago 18
@Sambarre U ARE SOOO RIGHT..i WAS FUKIN MAD HOW THEY RUINED DDP...DDP WAS THE MAN IN WCW..THEY MADE HIM SHITTY IN WWF.
NiceT86 1 year ago
@Sambarre yep ddp decided to retire of back problem nothing to do with vince, and ya i agree totally thats why booker t goldberg chris beniot chris jericho rey mysterio eddie guerrero etc all won world titles because vince hates them that makes sense
THEREALDEALDUDE1 7 months ago
@Sambarre Dude, no offense but Perry Saturn and DDP came into WWE thinking they were going to make all sorts of ridiculous demands of Vince. DDP wanted the WWE title, Vince buried him in an angle with Undertaker. Well deserved as DDP is a fucking prick who threw people under the bus every chance he got. Saturn was never liked by anyone in WCW so Vince just pushed him aside as well.
romeokid69 7 months ago
@romeokid69 DDP was actually building up some heat again after the disastrous Undertaker feud. He was back into his "motivational speaker" gimmick, and the Diamond Cutter was being built up again as a major threat. But then Hardcore Holly came along and botched a superplex and injured Page, which put an end to the angle before it really got started.
DevilTakeMe 7 months ago
@romeokid69
How do you know all this?
bukkake2007 6 months ago
@bukkake2007 It does not take a genius to know that Vince took certain WCW talent just so he could bury them. It's been that way ever since he bought WCW.
romeokid69 6 months ago
@romeokid69
What I was asking is how you know that DDP & Saturn were thinking they were going to make crazy demands and that DDP is a prick? Who did he throw under the bus and when? How do you know that Saturn wasn't liked by anyone in WCW? How do you have this inside information?
bukkake2007 6 months ago
@bukkake2007 It isn't inside information. It's knowing how the business works. I have been a part of the business for over 20 years as a wrestler, announcer, cameraman, etc. I am not saying I ever spoke to any of these guys, but it's no real big secret that most guys he worked with think DDP is a major prick. From what I understand from some people who have worked with Saturn, he was ok to get along with but in the ring, he was an asshole, always working stiff.
romeokid69 6 months ago
@romeokid69
So how did you know that DDP and saturn were trying to make riciculous demands of Vince? Who says DDP was a cunt and who said Saturn was stiff? You got any examples? What was your wrestling name and which promotions were you in?
bukkake2007 5 months ago
@bukkake2007 First off, where are you getting the word cunt? I never used that in my replies or comments. Secondly, I worked with the likes of Scott Taylor, Vince Apollo, HHH (before the big time), Tony Roy (who was one of Vince's most popular jobbers, especially in the Northeast). All 4 guys have worked with Saturn and they all agree, he was one of the most stiff guys in the business. 3 of the 4 also worked with DDP who was, in most people's opinion, his own best salesman.
romeokid69 5 months ago
@romeokid69
I was paraphrasing. You said DDP was a prick and would throw people under the bus, that's cunt behaviour. You still havn't said how you know he did that or to whom. Or how you know that they made ridiculous demands of Vince, did somebody tell you after the fact or are you assuming based on what you've heard about the guys?
bukkake2007 5 months ago
@romeokid69
You said DDP was a massive prick and would throw people under a bus, that's cunt behaviour. I was paraphrasing. You still havn't said how you know that DDP and Saturn ere trying to make ridiculous demands, did somebody tell you after the fact or are you assuming based on what you know about them? Who also did DDP throw under a bus and when?
bukkake2007 5 months ago
@bukkake2007 I have worked for a few orginazations, most notably UCW in the Northeast. That is where I met Scott Taylor (Scotty 2 Hotty) and Vince Apollo. Also worked for Northeast All Star Wrestling which used to be run by Jeff Costa who was a popular NWA jobber who got the thrill of his life when he was selected to wrestle Ric Flair back in the mid 80's. So please dont come on here thinking you scare me by trying to back me into a corner. I stand by what I say because of my experience.
romeokid69 5 months ago
@romeokid69
What makes you think I'm trying to scare you? I genuinely want to know the answers to these questions. You'll also forgive me for doubting any sort of inside knowledge as there are a plethora of wankers talking on youtube about how they know this or they know this guy said that etc.
So what was your wrestling name and how did you know that DDP and Saturn were trying to make ridiculous demands? Did somebody tell you after the fact?
bukkake2007 5 months ago
@romeokid69 What makes you think I'm trying to scare you? I genuinely want to know the answers to these questions. You'll also forgive me for doubting any sort of inside knowledge as there are a plethora of wankers talking on youtube about how they know this or they know this guy said that etc.
So what was your wrestling name and how did you know that DDP and Saturn were trying to make ridiculous demands? Did somebody tell you after the fact?
bukkake2007 5 months ago
@romeokid69
Not trying to scare you, I just really would like to know the answers to these questions. You also get hundreds of wankers on youtube raving about how they know this guy doesn't like that guy or this guy is a dick backstage etc as if they have inside knowledge when they don't at all so you'll have to forgive me for my skepticism.
So how do you know that DDP and Saturn were makng huge demands? Did somebody tell you after the fact?
bukkake2007 5 months ago
@bukkake2007 Ok, my name in UCW was Greg Golden. I had the moniker of "The Chosen One" long before Jeff Jarrett. LOL....look, sorry if I seem defensive. You seem like a genuine fan who is just looking for some answers. Jeff Costa and Vince Apollo both worked with DDP from time to time while jobbers were just about to phase out of the business. They both said he thought he was the greatest wrestler out of anyone he worked with and that when he went to WWE, he tried to reneg on his contract.
romeokid69 5 months ago
@bukkake2007 Also, Taylor has worked with DDP after he came to WWE and said that Vince was literally scared of him. Taylor and Apollo also worked with Saturn and they both said that the guy just never gave a shit about anyone except people like Benoit, Guerrero and Malenko.
romeokid69 5 months ago
@Sambarre you're wrong cause austin,benoit,jericho and guerrero weren't used poorly...
MrBad94 6 months ago
@Sambarre search "the REAL reason Sting wont go to WWE" on YT. Vince wasnt gonna bury him, but TNA sure as hell is. Vince made Sting an INCREDIBLE offer.
Booker T did just fine. The WWE nWo failed becuz of the talent NOT VINCE. And DDP said he used Sara to bring out the best in Taker...how is saying "Im going after the biggest baddest guy you got!" burying DDP?
Vince WANTED to turn Smackdown into Nitro but the ratings bombed when he tried. FACT. "Vince wanted to bury wCw" is IWC bullshit.
DUBtheTIGER 6 months ago
Mick, as always, speaks the truth! Bang Bang!
CactusJack1127 1 year ago
0:43 eddie breaks his arm lmao
lordcrumb07 1 year ago
@lordcrumb07
Nope, not here. Eddie broke his arm in his first official match and when it happened you could clearly see the pain on his face.
Captoon 1 year ago
i read somewhere that Eric Bischoff only found out these guys had left when he saw them on RAW
bigm165 1 year ago
that frog splash had soo much swag
NICKELIOUS 1 year ago
altho wwe were smart enough to get the radiclaz in the wwe, they should have kept them in this dominating stable for waaay longer
I think they only lasted about a month.....
radicalz vs dx woulda been sick
radicals v hart foundation would be even better...
bongboy6969 1 year ago
Benoit was WCW champ, but quit the next day to go to the WWF, so WCW stripped him of the title.
baronofbefoulment 1 year ago
The Radicalz were good, but the only one of truly main event caliber is obviously Benoit. The other 3 should've stayed midcarders. Giving Eddie the WWE was dumb, just another stupid little present to certain whiny fans of his who overrated him.
whoo689 1 year ago
@whoo689 wwe title I mean. Just like the bullshit wwe title reign of Jeff Hardy.
Or giving Cm Punk-ass bitch the world heavyweight title.
whoo689 1 year ago
@whoo689 CM Punk was a worthy champion. He has great ability, great charisma and really works being a heel well.
What was bullshit is the fact they cut his reign so short because of backstage politics. One of the few people under WWE contract that actually deserve the title. Why give it to Rey Burrito when he has wobbly knees and is plagued by injury trouble? Because the kids love him.
DrunkenGeordieMW 1 year ago
@DrunkenGeordieMW 'Rey Burrito'? lol :P
dan223344556677 1 year ago
@whoo689
Eddie was in no way overrated. He could totally go with technical skill and a mix of some high flying. His matches were great. CM Punk is a great mic worker and he can go also. See his indy work.
AmericanNohbuddy 1 year ago
Sure Malenko and Saturn had little mic skill, but it's too bad WWE killed their careers also.
SchlossRitter 1 year ago
and wonder why shane douglas Didn't join them?
adamV5 1 year ago
@KennedyMrKennedy I thought WCW sucked so bad, if they had Paul Heyman writing, they might have been better. Goldberg was awesome, Sting and the young talent didn't really get a chance, but at least old farts are fixing to leave TNA thank God.
TexasRevolution2010 1 year ago
funny how well this angle worked when it was basically the same as the outsiders
sshsrebel22 1 year ago
urght see how benoit heads bouces of fdamn no wonder he was fucked later
DeeKey666 1 year ago
Perry Saturn always gave the feeling he has killed someone.
EdmondSwitch 1 year ago
I remember this show, the big white sign in the center-left that you can't really read said "Will the last employee to leave WCW please turn out the lights."
2redaces 1 year ago
None of these guys went onto to achieve much in WWE, Eddie won the title after years because Brock Lesnar was quiting, and Beniot had his token run only to end up back in mid card 6months later and then you know what he did not long after that, Saturn and Malenko never got out of mid card, all in all it was a dumb move.
sevenforcex 1 year ago
@sevenforcex Malenko was almost 40 years old by the time he got to WWE. I dont think he expected to get a run at the Championship. He retired in 2001 and is now a road agent with WWE. Im pretty sure he made the right move whether he got out of midcard or not.
DK1102 1 year ago
i remember that ... twas awesome, even tho I didn't have a clue who they were at the time!
afcgooners 1 year ago
4 of the best Wrestlers in the ring. I'd remember that Night. Benoit was a crazy MOFO also back then. What crazy jumps of the top rope and hits his head actually on someones shoulder???
LESRAM1981 1 year ago
@KennedyMrKennedy Who cares about Radicalz? No one of them was a big draw even as a champ. Oh yeah with Malenko as world heavyweight champion WCW would survive. You're kidding. This can't be considered as the Reason why WCW Failed.
MrGlasspider 1 year ago
WCW was down the drain before the Radicals left so this was not a reason for WCW dying. At the time more wrestlers said they would quit WCW, including all the top draws, if the Radicals got their way and Sullivan was removed than the 4 guys who ended up leaving. Other guys said they would quit with the Radicals and ended up just blowing hot air. Saturn and Malenko did zilch in WWF, Eddie was in and out with drugs, and Benoit almost killed the WWF along with his family
MRobert21 1 year ago
Radicalz >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nWo
DrGnockerz 2 years ago 23
I really wish that twerp Vince Russo had never got involved with WCW though I think he ruined the name of the company and maybe Vince McMahon thought that the brand was past saving?
pdeaky 2 years ago
I think that the radicalz invasion was far more successful than the later WCW invasion. They really cocked that up! I think Vince should have kept WCW seperate for a while get someone else to run it and get it going good again. Then after say a year, when they had had time to sort WCW out and get the main WCW guys like Sting, Goldberg, etc on board then they could have had an annual event where the 2 companies met. These could have then been the two brands like he has going now. WWE and WCW.
pdeaky 2 years ago 3
It'd be great if AJ Styles, Samoa Joe, Chris Daniels, & Abyss did the same thing today.
satyran 2 years ago
@satyran technically joe has wrestled in wwe against essa rios
lbm1985 1 year ago
@lbm1985 That's true. I'm pretty sure that match is somewhere on youtube as well. BTW, check this out, Chris Daniels returned to Ring of Honor last night and gave the impression that he was done with TNA.
satyran 1 year ago