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ce rau e sa fi somer......
VasyBughera 1 year ago
At first I was thinking, where the hell is he going with this... but point well made. I would just point out that you are are talking about Creationists more than Christians in general.
PraktikoolSinik 2 years ago
Yup, you sum it up quite well. This is the main problem I have with religions as well. If someone believes in a non-interfering god (Spinoza's god) that's their business - it really changes nothing. But if that person believes in a magic man (spaghetti monster) going around planting evidence and bending the laws of physics then they are at least partially irrational and may be in need of some help.
Good job. Take care.
vn030350d 2 years ago
SE caca totzi strainii pe tine!
mikigrecu 2 years ago
bull shit!
mikigrecu 2 years ago
there are no supernatural explanations. There are only foolish things, like this video.
robertangel30 2 years ago
which you apparently didn't watch.
PraktikoolSinik 2 years ago
I'd like to start off with this: I do not personally adhere to the contrasting viewpoint I am about to promote. However I believe it is important to state this viewpoint so people don't use this argument.
Although Christians may believe in Supernatural occurrences in the past, or expect them in the future, that does not qualify that they expect them at all times. Christian theology explains most Supernatural events as instances where God was bringing His Will to fruition, NOT all the time.
Shiggiddie 3 years ago
Presuposing the posibility of God intervention without proof is either present or not. The talk about when it happens (past, future, present) doesn't affect the the existence of the presuposition.
If a christian accepts this possibility without proof, he/she should accept it all the time not only when convenient.
If one believes God told Avraam to kill his son, one should, at least, give some credit to a rapist when he said "God told me to spread the love".
logossfera 3 years ago
At least the ancient greeks were consistent. ALL the thunders were the product of Zeus, not only those that were nice/distant/whatever-one-chooses.
logossfera 3 years ago
Logossfera, I feel that your Biblical knowledge may be extensive, however your Christian theology may be lacking. Again, Supernatural events, from the Christian worldview, are not seen as occurrences that take place whenever and however at all times. I think that this is how you have defined Supernatural events. This may be your view of Supernatural events, however applying that to the Christian worldview is constructing a straw man.
Shiggiddie 3 years ago
The Christian worldview (at least I can speak from Catholic theological viewpoint, which by all historical purposes is the original Christianity) sees those events which call attention to God's Will with respect to the salvation of man as potential Supernatural events. EX1: Abraham & Issac - this Supernatural test verified the holiness of Christ's lineage. EX2: Parting of the seas - contributed to the lineage of Christ, as well as established the Holy Land, both key to God's final revelation
Shiggiddie 3 years ago
Throughout the Old Testament there are many Supernatural events, along with much of what Jesus and his followers accomplish in the New Testament. However, it is the contribution of those Supernatural events to the overall understanding by man of God's plan to 'save and redeem' man which account for the Supernatural. I hope this helps put into perspective why Christians particularly do not have to discern the possibility of Supernatural occurrences in their everyday lives.
Shiggiddie 3 years ago
I live in an christian orthdox country and we have our share of weird stories from the priesthood. Example of a true story: a pregnant mother during a war sees his son and husband being shot. The pain and desperation makes her provoke an abortion. You know what a very respected priest (considered by some a saint) told her? God had tested her and had a plan with the unborn child. See... supernatural galore if one wears a robe.
logossfera 3 years ago
Giving this world view, a kid being blinded by shrapnels could be so that we show compassion and walk toward salvation. Almost anything can be said to be a call for attention to God's will (that's where the theological nonsense comes into place).
Why can't the rape of a child by a catholic priest be a call to his parents for attention? ;)
logossfera 3 years ago