EMD V20-710 Start-up and rated load

[scott93257]

That engine is mammoth!!! yet sounds so smooth.. That's a lot of cylinders.

[kilerakias90]

WTF HAVE 10 TURBO

[Warchild1950]

This Model 710 is also used in our Ferry's on the Puget Sound Washington (Tacoma class). The RPM for generation is 1,800. The Fairbanks Mores 38D81/8 and EMD 710, 645,567 etc. etc. Gen sets and main propulsion engines were the most common for R/R application and marine use. Now a days the Caterpillar Marine 34&35 series engines are getting more common. I'm a former Maritime Engineer and these beasties sung me to sleep when off watch. Thanks for the post.

[scott93257]

That machine is huge !!! Love the sound...

[espeescotty]

Does anyone know what the boost pressure is at 900 RPM? I've always been curious.

[38Squid]

in Locomotives, not trains.

[CanadianPacific2487]

it gave me a headhache

[bobadavet]

is this a train engine?

[inothome]

@bobadavet They do use this engine in a train, this particular one obviously isn't in a train though.

[XFiEntertainment]

@inothome - I think they use these in american trains?

[inothome]

@XFiEntertainment They most definitely do.

[kneebush]

@bobadavet Used in the SD80MAC's

[38Squid]

@bobadavet This particular engine was found in a SD45 locomotive

[BillyRosinet]

@38Squid

The SD-45 was powered by the 20V-645E. The engine in this video is the 710.

[38Squid]

@BillyRosinet Sorry, I was just going by the number of cyl.

[lennyos]

@38Squid This model was used in Conrail's SD80MAC locomotives.

[THEATREofPAIN270]

I remember my days working on the CAT 3500's. I installed all of the air starters, Compressor, Air storage tanks, Piping. They ran awesome. This post is very cool. Nice smooth stuff there.

[generationll]

Sure sounds like alot of those EMD diesels on the rails today

[WesKG4YPE]

most remote generators are used for emergencys appications, where I work there are 2 just incase we loose grid power then after 10 minutes the 2 big boys start up, most use air to start because it dont take much to do it.

[yamahonkawazuki]

@WesKG4YPE doesnt take generated power either :)

[Mcapple94]

Did they use the attached generator to start the engine? or was it an auxiliary starter?

[inothome]

@Mcapple94 It uses air starters, you can hear it at the start of the video.

[fyadcorp]

@inothome Explain what an air starter is and how it works... I've never heard of it!

[inothome]

@fyadcorp They use stored air pressure to start the engine with an air vane motor. Basically they are like an air impact wrench air motor, minus the impact section. They even sound like an impact wrench running full speed.

[fyadcorp]

@inothome Interesting, I never knew about any of that.

[fyadcorp]

@inothome BTW, what's are the pros and cons of air-started and electrically-started diesels?

[inothome]

@fyadcorp I would have to say it's easier to store air in an air tank than maintain a battery bank large enough to crank it over. You could also use a small gas powered air compressor to fill up the air tank faster than using a small generator to recharge batteries if there was no power.

[legendhunter47]

how many houses can this Beautiful EMD beast power??

[inothome]

@legendhunter47 Not really sure.

[oldeskool65]

Electro Motive Diesel

[undertake782]

What's an EMD?

[TheRyCrane]

That's the noise that makes me proud to be an EMD employee.

[inothome]

@TheRyCrane Great engines, thanks!

[lennyos]

@TheRyCrane YOU DA MAN!

[RODALCO2007]

Love it

[pogobull]

would love this for my new MINI.....?

[TheTheratfarmer]

saleman can not sell what i can't build. always keep that in mind.

[TheTheratfarmer]

these are the best marine and back up power generators in the world. i don't get a sales commision for this. i should.

[specnazanti88]

I want it!

[kimmer6]

I saw this engine powering a tuna boat in San Diego. The engine room was spotless and even the lathe was pin striped!

[TheTheratfarmer]

EMD is the best.

[TheTheratfarmer]

do you wany some other back up generator at your nuc. power plant?

[TheTheratfarmer]

fuck a tier 2. if it saves a melt down, it is good. they can do a whole lot more.

[TheTheratfarmer]

the best place to stand, under full laod, is two cylinders back from the generator. you can feel everything.

[TheTheratfarmer]

i heard from another video that cat bought out EMD. i don't see how that could ever work out. EMD's are at least 10 times better than a cat. or any other. i used to biuld these engine generator packages. believe me, they tested the hell out of two of them that went to FPL at turkey point. i came in one mourning, it was 20 out side maybe 30 on the inside, they did a cold start straight to full power. about five seconds after that, full load. these engines can take it, i've seen it.

[maz323se]

Sry, GE has nothing on EMD. The sound of EMD's Turbocharged Prime Movers (567, 645, and 710) are just music to my ears, especially the 645.

[LoneSniperSG]

For being as big as it is.. that thing has a tiny oil filter. (Even though it's the same size as big rigs take)

[MangoHombre]

5,000hp? Put that thing in a dragster and see if it'll go 4.9 seconds in the quarter mile! lol

[bait28]

@MangoHombre have a friend trying that out right now

[legendhunter47]

I want one of these in my backyard, freakin beautiful engine and so quiet, so smooth

[htc6600]

I dunno-something about the 710 just doesn't sound right. I'll take the turbocharged 645E3, thank you.

[cweis127]

EMD made SD80MACs with these bad boys in them.

[SGTMass]

lol. I think it's funny too that even after being bought out, EMD has kept the same basic mechanical layout of these generation units. And I'm actually training to be an Industrial Electrician/ Equipment Operator/ Control Room Operator

[infinity3jif]

i'd hate to be around one of these things when a connecting rod decides to let lose

[BNSF5608]

@infinity3jif 20-710s didnt have that issue. EMD got smart from the 20-645 and made thicker rods.

[SGTMass]

I must say, I'm operating the EMD 16-567E4 right now, all in manual for training purposes, and it looks like a dinosaur compared to this thing.....i want it......fuel consumption runs about 111 gal/hour per unit

[formidable38]

Any idea what amperage that'l kick out??

[inothome]

@formidable38 By doing the math it's around 490 amps.

[inothome]

@formidable38 Checked the nameplate, 691 amps. When I did my calculations I forgot to take the power factor in to account. Duh....

[BeeEmmW]

that engine is straight out of a diesel locomotive

[belzelga2]

Not use to how a EMD primemover sounds outside of a locomotive.

[wilderby96]

nice, 8 pole gen-end, It would b ecool to know the voltage. 4160 maybe?

[inothome]

@wilderby96 That's correct, 4160 v.

[mentalmidget1960]

150 - 180 gallons per hour? Thats pretty good! Makes our "little" Paxman sound like it has a hearty appatite at 2 litres of diesel per minute.

[FVMACHINES]

Very nice machine,looks as new...its well mainteined

[sookster54]

Doesn't NYC have a few of these along the river when the power goes out?

[inothome]

@sookster54 No idea, maybe.

[mentalmidget1960]

Almost hate to ask, whats the fuel consumption on this beaut? (or should that be brute!)

[inothome]

@mentalmidget1960 Not sure

[twocanucksBSsomenews]

@inothome i remember hearing roughly around 1000 gal(cad) for eight hours run time

[dickweed101us]

@inothome At a place I used to work at we had 2 1.75 mw V-20 kholers I think they ran about 190 gallons an hour.

[dodgeramb59]

@mentalmidget1960 150-180 gallons per hour at Run 8/Full Load.

[diburning]

@mentalmidget1960 237 gal/hr at (max) 900 RPM

[seth4404]

@mentalmidget1960

My locomotive fuel consumption table for an SD45 (which uses a V20 645, not 710) states that the hourly fuel consumption at full load is 194 gallons. Being 65 cu inches larger per cylinder would undoubtedly mean this would have an even higher rate.

[railroadjeep]

@mentalmidget1960 My chart doesn't cover the 20-710, but the 16-710 burns 192 GpH at full load. And 20 GpH at idle.

[fixitdude74]

oh that sweet sound only a EMD can make!

[Snoep76239]

@MasterCSX Yes, that's how I first became familiar with them. I have a thing for very large machinery, and used to live next to a Conrail switching yard. I was amazed at the 100-car freight trains coming in that required four units to pull them, and love the sound of the huge diesels. Agter doing some research, i found that EMD's motors are the best of the best, and thanks to youtube and folks like you, I get to see & hear all kinds of them, albeit on little speakers.

[greenwaterhose]

How many homes could be powered by this unit?.....I just had a thought. This is a generator? so you are producing DC current and not AC current?

[inothome]

@greenwaterhose Not sure, a couple hundred homes? It "generates" power but technically speaking it does drive an alternator.

[Snoep76239]

@greenwaterhose Modern homes have electrical service of 200A @ 240V, roughly 48kW, though actual usage is much less. Since homes are not demand-metered it could power well over 100. Unless every electric appliance (Stove/AC/etc.) were on at once figure about 400 modern suburban homes or up to 800 smaller/older ones.

[Snoep76239]

@MasterCSX Thanks for saving me the math.

There's no sound as beautiful as huge, well-made diesels doing their thing!

PS- Since generator engines are rated for continuous duty at full power they should be fit for marine applications as well, yes? I could see a pair of these pushing some obscenely-large yacht at a good clip. I'd spend all day in the engine room, getting hummmmed to sleep.

[CRPULSE300]

@Snoep76239 EMD as been producing engines for Marine applications since WWII. I remember reading in Trains Magazine years ago that some ship builder was constructing a new heavy duty tugboat that would be powered by several 6000hp H-engines.

[Snoep76239]

@CRPULSE300 :-) :-) Several! :-) :-)

[ymmmmij]

I want one in my motorbike...lol

[Snoep76239]

5000HP @ 900RPM, now THATS some monster torque!

I wanna put one in my pickem-up truck...

[theratfarmer]

wind it up, full power and load.

[theratfarmer]

these are the best engine generators i have ever seen. no other company can compare. EMD is the king.

[Vermont204]

Are you guys using this for electricity production, as in a backup generator?

[inothome]

@Vermont204 Mainly for peak shaving.

[BNSFandSP]

Was this pulled out of an SD80?

[inothome]

@BNSFandSP No, this was built new for generation. We have two of them.

[jk037]

What a monster of a machine. Very very impressive!

I spent this morning test running one of our backup generators, a Lister Blackstone ER8 (8-cyl, roughly 8" bore, huge Napier turbocharger, air start, rated to 720hp/500kW), and this EMD just makes the poor Blackstones look old-fashioned and puny.

In the video the engine sounds pretty quiet and smooth, it is an accurate reproduction of the sound or just showing the limitations of the recording device and Youtube sound quality?

[inothome]

@jk037 I'd say it's a pretty fair reproduction on how it sounds. It's very rhythmic and steady, but loud! You have to wear ear protection.

[formidable38]

@jk037 EMD's like this one sound pretty much the same in locomotives to, ie - nice and smooth and just dam right awesome.

[RadialAC80]

79 likes and 0 dislikes. Damn straight.

[Vermont204]

@RadialAC80 83 likes now :)

[normken]

I've just creamed my knickers..............

[bobbj77]

Is that an air starter I hear??

[inothome]

@bobbj77 Yes

[P40BH]

Sounds like a PL42AC

[GordonFreemanD40]

@P40BH that is because the 710 IS USED in the PL42. Your 710s are 16 cyl. whiel this is 20 cyl.

[kimmer6]

I love this brutal power and saw some EMD's on large tuna boats and as ship service generators on container ships. Impressive. 3.5 Megawatts!

[megatwingo]

Very nice engine and a cool sound. Thumbs up! :)

[theratfarmer]

nuc. power plants need back up power in 30 seconds or less.

[theratfarmer]

next time you get a chance, show it from a cold start straight to full power and load (in about 15 seconds). were you work at probably will not do it. it is fun to watch and even more, stand right beside it when they do test it. you can feel the pounding on your chest and the concrete rumble. you can see the whole thing shake, when the full load is under. awesome. you could see black smoke spitting out of the cracks in the test stand exuast pipes.

[blr2k]

@theratfarmer ohhhh so exciting... do tell more...

[theratfarmer]

these are the best gen set's in the world.

[theratfarmer]

they can go straight to full power from a cold start. in about 15 seconds. we tested them over 20 years ago.

[theratfarmer]

compressed air starters, they are perfect for back up power. industrial 4160v power. you just heard it, from a cold start straight to full power.

[bait28]

Holy crap, You ever smelled it when a cooling line leaks and all the anti freeze coolant just smokes out of a diesel. Our Truck today died on the 3 hour transport to WI at the 2 hour checkpoint. Hoping to get some More coolant from the guys at NPAA tomorrow and get back to Autoland Aurora to have the Engine looked at.(Engine is a 6.0 liter Ford using VC-7-A coolant.)

[bait28]

@bait28 NAPA*

[DajounTunisia1]

wow very powerfull engine

[inothome]

@kamz556 A big hand, it has a 9-1/16" bore with an 11" stroke. Each cylinder is 710 cubic inches, hence the "710" designation.

[MoeJae86]

I don't know what it is about the sound of the 710, it's so hypnotic. Literally I can listen to this video over and over. Heck I can sleep to this, so relaxing. Thanks for the video!

[theratfarmer]

this was my experience over 20 years ago. these are the best back up or power generators of all time. GM or EMD what ever. 4160V's industrial power.  EMD has upgraded their site. a lot of charts and shit. EMD is the best.

[theratfarmer]

i used to stand about two cylinders back from the generator and just feel the power. you could feel it in your chest. 4160V? hey, i terminated over 3000 connections. as well as the 2000 MCM wire switch gear. we had to spread a copper coating on all the high voltage connections. and the criperes had to be specked.  so much paper work, it was unreal.

[theratfarmer]

i heard this sound every day.

[Seaboard1321]

what are these used for?

[inothome]

@Seaboard1321 Peak shaving and for power if the transmission line goes out.

[bait28]

@inothome don't EMD SD70's use 710's as well?

[formidable38]

@bait28 Yeah, all the SD70's use the 16 cylinder 710.

[GordonFreemanD40]

@formidable38 Only the SD80MAC uses the 20V-710.

[formidable38]

@GordonFreemanD40 yeah i know that. Thats why i said SD70's use the 16 cyl. No offence intended by the way, just a missunderstanding!

[bait28]

@GordonFreemanD40 could be wrong but dosen't this Engine produce around 5,000 HP?

[ofdiscordia]

@bait28 with turbos 2 of these would get around 10,500hp. I'm not as familiar with 710's but 645's generally get about 100hp per cylinder without turbo. The only real difference between 710 and 645 is piston displacement in square inches and the types of heads they use so I'm guessing they're pretty close as far as power goes, assuming their max RPM is the same.

[bait28]

@ofdiscordia lol. the 710 gets a lot more HP. the EMD 256(1,010 displacment per cylinder) gets 6,000 HP. used on SD90MAC's

[ofdiscordia]

@bait28 wait are you saying a 256 gets 6khp without turbo? Also without turbo, what does a 710 get? mention number of cylinders too if you don't mind. I can contest that the older blocks like 645 and 567 are right in the area I mentioned as far as HP, but that's also at reduced RPM of 750 not the 900 or so EMD says they can take and without turbo. You could still turbocharge 2 EMD 567s and get 5600hp but with roots blowers you're going to get between 1800-2400 depending on RPM and gearbox.

[bait28]

@ofdiscordia with turbo and the 710 has a turbo as well for 5,000 HP.

[douro20]

@bait28

Yep, it's the biggest diesel locomotive power plant ever made. Too bad they were forced to stop making them for the US market when they had trouble making them to comply with Tier 2.

[bait28]

@douro20 isn't the EMD 256 bigger(6,000 HP)

[douro20]

@bait28

There is no 256. It's a 265H. It's used in the JT56ACe freight locomotive for the East Asian market. It's the most powerful currently produced diesel electric locomotive.

[bait28]

@douro20 i slipped the 6 and 5 key. and it's also used in SD90MAC's

[formidable38]

@bait28 It is yeah. The 265H is 16.6 Litre per cylinder, although physicly smaller as its a V16, the 256H is 6'600HP. It wasnt reliable though.

[bait28]

@formidable38 actually, it's 1,010 Cubic inches of displacment producing 6,000 HP. 6,600 is the DDA40X with it's dual engines and is the most powerful diesel locomotive ever made.

[formidable38]

@bait28 Actually, it was 6'600 according to EMD, I didnt write it personally! Pluss 1,010 cubic inch comes out at 16.6 litre per cylinder which was what i already said. People are more familiar with an engines capacity in Litres rather than stone age cubic inch unless your abit backward. Please dont be so fucking predantic when all i was doing was trying to help you by answering your question FFS.

[bait28]

@formidable38 well according to EMD engine specs, it's 6,000. I'm used to seeing Cubic inches, not litre.

[bait28]

@formidable38 Cool, I love 710's

[theratfarmer]

beleve me they did a cold start stright to full power.  MKW power systems.

[theratfarmer]

i heard them do a cold start, straght to full power and load. i don't make this shit up. i saw it, i heard it.

[theratfarmer]

i'm not shitting you man, i lkow. these are the best.

[leylandcarsloverslea]

Almost sounds like a jet engine.

[GordonFreemanD40]

@leylandcarsloverslea except a little stronger and can be modified to make a locomotive to go faster than a jet engine can (V32-710) (not possible at moment though)

[bait28]

@GordonFreemanD40 ? A jet engine can reach speeds up to 560MPH. Your trying to tell me a 710 could accomplish this as well(I Think that would be awesome.) Some of the best GE engines(Such as GE-NX's) can get up to 58,000 pounds of thrust. Also on a train, these engines only act as generators to drive electric motors on the trucks. Idk. but still 710's rule.

[theratfarmer]

it is best if they warm up. it is not required. (the two sets that i worked on).

[theratfarmer]

yeah, i know, your right. we built these two gen-sets with heaters installed. i just rememberd. oil, generator and fuel heaters. they were like a thin flat piece of metal. believe me, these engines can go from collecting dust to full power and load in less than 30 seconds. i saw them on a test stand, a cold start striaght to full power and load.

[theratfarmer]

every nuc. power plant should have at least these two as back up power.

[theratfarmer]

i love that sound. the air starters straight to full power and load in less than 30 seconds. no warn up, just start the damn thing and go.

[inothome]

@theratfarmer Actually there is an 8 minute warm up with these, the video is edited.

[kennjohnsen]

@inothome

If the power goes, the generator is on, they does not run a warm up of 5 minutes, does they ?

[inothome]

@kennjohnsen The're not set to auto-start. Once started there is still the 8 minute warm up period. These are not emergency generators.

[woodscritter]

@theratfarmer Uh, "full power" is "full load."

We don't get paid per word.

[theratfarmer]

who else has that power? no one. EMD.

[theratfarmer]

MKW power systems, formaliy know as morrison knudsen. wartsilla?

[theratfarmer]

i guess it's no secret now. eveyone hates FPL. i installed all of the electrical on both of the back up gen. sets. at turkey point, FL. iv'e never seen so much testing or paper work before in my life.

[novakane87]

I wish I had got to hear the turbo spooling up!

[theratfarmer]

i feel for the folks over there at fukushima. EMD gen-sets are the best and most reliable if you need 4160V industrial emergency back up power. CAT may have a better package now days, but i've heard stories about them blowing up on the test stand. believe me these EMD's can go straight to full power and load in less than 30 seconds, thats what we tested over 20 years ago. yes, i know the conduits or wiring were probably damaged from the tsunami, but don't buy a 2nd class gen-set.

[inothome]

@egpg2000 An older Worthington Engine.

[christopher9030]

Is this Generater unit 1 of 2 in the

basement utillity room of the sears

tower. Willis Tower.

[inothome]

@christopher9030 No.

[clfetter]

uhhh