@vankaprokudin Well, I didn't say a word, but You already know what I think about Russians, or death-accident with polish President... It would be much better if You try to listen a while, not just repeats slogans You heard on tv...
@vankaprokudin Russians are great, warm people. But their elites, poets, writers used to live in jail. The rest looks like they have tv-sets in place of brain, or are to scarred to have their own opinion. Like Lech Kaczynski had. Or Anna Politkowska. Or hungreds others victims of bad coincidences in Russia, just like Vladymir Vysotsky singed...
Search Stephanie & 3G or We Don't Wanna Put In. Last time I checked I couldn't find this. Only found it with Georgia 2009 eurovision. And who would give this so many dislikes? Must have something to do with Russian "internet police".
this is like david vs goliath, remember that two parts of georgia do not want to be georgians and that chanishvili was so stupid to shoot the first bomb...he was stupid! its not like i am a putin- supporter but chanishvili? come on its like he is sick, has got detachment from reality , he knew that russians would react like this and that usa would be to far away and not interested to step into a fight between russia and europe and georgia...tss...go ahead and eat your tie ....
Perhaps not every Azeri. Not every Chechen, considering that he bombs even white-flag-bearing refugees, put the rapist Kadyrov in power, and so on... is hard to believe.
@kuyarahawk He does not bombs every refugee and last time I check there were chechen rebels blowing up railways ( not to say all chechens are terrorists) plus to Kaydrov was one the chechen terrorists so the chechens should be happy to have a chechen rebel as president of the Chechen republic.
...you're Dutch right? Ahem. Perhaps the Nazis can be revived and take over your country and go around raping every one, we'll se how long ur sane.
Kadyrov was an asshole and so was his father. We didn't like them even before they were traitors They switched sides because they were promised power. Now he runs the place, and you say a word against him, and your in his rape pit. Joy.
Yes, he bombs refugees. Do I have to go through all of them. How about we start with Katyr-Yurt...
Katyr-Yurt? So, the Ruskis bomb the place to the ground, using vacuum bombs and other Geneva-convention-banned things. Then on the third day, with 90% of the people dead, they tell the Chechens they can get in this tiny little truck and flee, bearing white flags. They all get in... then the Russians launch a rocket at it to make sure no one can tell the tale. Unfortunately, a French journalist was watching, and Chechens who told their relatives (relatives like me).
Really, its very annoying, hearing all you stupid people who know absolutely nothing always talking about how misunderstood poor Russia is. Talk to an Arab, they say we Chechens are nothing but Western backed terroists. Talk to a German, then we're Islamist Al-Qaeda operatives. Apparently, the notion, the truth, that all we've ever wanted is the same Estonia got is completely forgotten, even though we have always suffered the most horribly (see 1944 genocide) under Russian rule...
@kuyarahawk I did not said that all Chechens were terrorists. Plus the stuff about rapping there is no defient proof and if there is most likely the chechen rebels are doing the same thing.About kutyr-Yurt "That plan involved leading the Chechen separatist fighters to believe that a safe exit would be possible out of the city to the mountains in the south of Chechnya. On February 2, 2000, they were allowed to leave the city and were then caught in minefields and attacked ..."
No one who knows a thing believes that crap. And I'll trust what we have heard from not only our own people, but from French journalists, over the propaganda that Russia feeds to Western news.
What you don't get is that there are no terrorists in war. War is war. Yes, I believe going and taking a theatre was unnecessary and apprehensible, but that debate is for Chechens.
And as for proof? There's videos, documentaries, even Kadyrov's aids let stuff slip now and then...
@kuyarahawk Not terrorists then why does USA considerers Caucasus Front as a terrortist orginaztion. Not only that but it is always the politicians that gets to deicdes what happens in a war it is the generals. And don't give me the bs about how the politicians should remove these generals. And about the west warpping stroies for Russia it is the exact oppoiste all we here about is that the russians are cruel people which they are not compare to the Caucasian Front killing childern
The Caucasian Front is not legitimate. It is the result of agent provacateurs and stupid Arabs that managed to influence our country because certain politicians had no one else to turn to, and we got stuck with them.
Had the West ever raised an eyelid at us, it wouldn't exist, and you would see a liberal, Westernized country...
But things are changing now... now, Georgia may be on our side, so we may soon have a better alternative to crazy Arabs. I hope so...
@kuyarahawk Georgia wouldn't be much better because it does the same things to its seperatist regions as Russia but worse they bomb thier own cities to provoke a war which isn't much better then terrorists
I'm sure Georgia has its reasons- no doubt including the massacres against ethnic Georgians by Ossetes (note that the Ossetes also committed genocide with the Russians against the Ingush on multiple occasions). The Ossetes are just acting like Russian puppets as well as murderers. Every time, they always screw us over and ruin our freedom . They deserve freedom, but only if they ditch Russia, and stop being hypocrites.
@kuyarahawk They have no reason on Ossetia but they do on Abkhazia who did had a genocide against ethnic georgians but the Ossetins nothing that know about
You don't know? The Georgians of South Ossetia are being rounded up, town by town and being "requested" to leave. Judging from the condition of the refugees streaming into Georgia proper, and the loss of their belongings and houses, one can only guess what has happened, even before they tell there stories...
@kuyarahawk It not like most people in Canada have heard of course most of what I know about these regions are through research I have done since the 2008 South Ossetia conflict
I believe I know quite well what the conflict in WWII is about and what happened. The main difference between us is that you think we Chechens should be thankful to the Russian army which massacred us. -
Seriously, you're arguing just for the sake of arguing, because you think I called you stupid (when I didn't). Dude, youtube is anonymous. You shouldn't get so angry and offended over things like that so easily.
@kuyarahawk You are obviously the one who is angry. Plus now you are lying saying that you didn't called me stupid. What the Russians did was after WWII
I didn't lie, as you can see from the dialogue, I said you lacked knowledge.
Yes, and I think, as a Chechen, I have a right to be angry, not only a right, but a duty, when someone insults my nation and says we don't deserve independence, and even worse, that its somehow okay what Russia is doing. You, however, are Dutch, and have no reason to feel emotional about this at all.
@kuyarahawk No one in this world has the duty to be angry. I hvae not said the Chechens don't deserve independence what I said is their means are wrong using terrorism instead of some other peaceful way.
Yes, may I remind you that we peacefully separated in 1991 and then reaffirmed our separation - peacefully!- in 1997?
And yes, you have said that somehow we do not deserve independence because we were not a Union Republic. Like the territorial ideas of the conqueror are supposed to matter...
@kuyarahawk What I said is that Chechnya didn't became a country because it was not a republic before 1991. And seperated peacefully in 1991 what a joke
@Wilco4009 Yes, we separated peacefully. Not a single person was killed. Yes, we had a revolution, but no on died (except one guy who fell from a window, but that's only one person, and he probably jumped). Russia was supposed to just leave us alone after that but they didn't.
@kuyarahawk September 6, 1991 Dudayev stormed a session of the Chechen-Ingush ASSR Supreme Soviet with the aim of asserting independence. It caused the death of the head of the Grozny's branch of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union Vitaly Kutsenko, who was thrown out of a window. I wouldn't call that jumping if some rebels (led by the latter president of Chechnya) came wanting independce it more likely they threw him out because he disagreed with them.
We still don't know if he fell or if he was thrown. But either way, the communist party actually wanted independence too, its just that they wanted a state run by themselves. We wanted independence AND to throw them out of power. So it had much more to do with the Communist party than independence.
@Wilco4009 Yes, we separated peacefully. Not a single person was killed. Yes, we had a revolution, but no on died (except one guy who fell from a window, but that's only one person, and he probably jumped). Russia was supposed to just leave us alone after that but they didn't.
It's not like Katyr is the only thign too... pretty much the whole war is like that. Now, as we speak, Ukraine's new president is having his police terrorize Chechen refugees, at Putin's request. Why must we always be victims? Because we don't have a state in the UN, that's why. So people can do all they want to us.
And if you don't know about Aardakh in 1944, you don't know anything...
You really don't know a thing. Raping of Chechens' institutionalized, its not just war stuff
@kuyarahawk Aardakh was WWII or the madman Stalin I am not here saying that Russia was always a good guy what I am saying Is that not everyone hates Putin (his approval rate is 82%)
His approval rate is 78% and that's people who "approve of his work as PM". But that is among Russians (mainly the 79% of ethnic Russians in Russia, as well as some Tatars and Ukrainians, since others are harder to reach), who have censored media, etc, etc. Why would I care what they think?
Putin may be loved in Russia, but that doesn't mean Russia's neighbors, or even minorities (such as the Sakha, for example) within Russia (I don't consider Chechnya within Russia) do.
@kuyarahawk By the consitution Chechnya is still inside the Russian Federation do not say Chechnya is its own country until it is recoginize by at least one country (this is why I recoginize South Ossetia and the other country in Georgia Abzhia or something like that)
Everyone knows that if anyone recognizes ICHKERIA (not Chechnya, that's what the Russians call it) they lose trade with Russia, so no one does.
And South Ossetia isn't a nation- they are a Russian province now, pretty much. They even have Russian passports. Russian imperialism, glaring and obvious. If they actually wanted freedom, I would support it, but they are simply tools of Moscow against Georgia.
It is not racism, it is an accepted fact that the Caucasus as a whole is poor, largely due to Russian colonialism. This includes Georgia too. We get stripped of our resources, raped, and all that crap, and get nothing in return.
As for South Ossetia, they also have some of the same problems we had- no one will trade with them.
@Wilco4009 No it is not merely an insult, it shows that you lack knowledge on the region. If you knew more, you would've heard/seen Abkhazia more often, and know at least that its not Abzhia. It's not merely spelling, its the name itself...
@kuyarahawk Have you notice how many words I don't spell right. Spelling has very little to do with intellgence. I can't even spell most of the provinces of Canada names or most of the cities does not says I know not anything
@kuyarahawk I don't know "anything" if I don't know Aardakh. I am regarded as one the smartest intelluctals in my school and that is because my vast knowledge of the world. Plus in Canada there are sepertists (Quebec) and they do not go as far as the Caucasian Front
@Wilco4009 I thought you were Dutch. Yeah, one of the major differences is that no one commits genocide against the Quebecois every year.
I don't care what you get in school. I happen to be an A-student as well. But intelligence doesn't equal knowledge, and you clearly listen to the exact Western stations which are handfed by the Russian government which wants to portray us as violent terrorists. Nazi Germany would do the same to France if it were today.
@kuyarahawk In Canada Russia is told as a crazy evil country. I am only using Quebec as an example because I live in Canada. Plus in 1991 the Chechens were gaven a clean sheet and they ruined it in 1991
Because, being recognized by one country Russia, and having a market completely blockaded from outside trade and left with the trash that Russia left us with after 150 years of colonialism... is that really a clean sheet? The world never gave us a chance. Fuck the so called international community, they cozy up with Russia for oil and merely watch us get raped. Even worse, Russia actively destabilized the state by aiding whoever wanted to throw over the current gov't...
@kuyarahawk Budyonnovsk hospital hostage crisis took place from 14 June to 19 June 1995, when a group of 80 to 200 Chechen terrorists led by Shamil Basayev same man who is a terrorist killing childern and women before the Russian Federation.
And the Russians never killed woman and children? My ass.
No one seems to note that Russians blew up plenty of operating hospitals in their invasion of my homeland. Apparently, when Russians do it, its okay. But when certain rather radical and extreme Chechens, like Basayev, who had multiple family members killed in the exact bombing I mentioned and went crazy partly as a result, do so... it is "terrorism". Two countries are at war, for crying out loud.
@kuyarahawk Dude what I said is that the cheshens started it before the russians did and also then you cannot pin it on Putin because these are Generals and soilders themselves go over the edge and start killing civilins for no reason. This was seen in the Vietnam War.
Lolwhut? WE started the war. Ahem, in 1994, we had done a whole lot of NOTHING to the Russians, when suddenly they attack us. Well, actually they had tried to overthrow Dudayev in a coup (and that failed), before. But I somehow don't think that foiling their coup could be considered an act of aggression.
And if you mean in 1999, that wasn't Chechens, that was Dagestanis, and as I said before, Basayev had by then been excommunicated by our president, so he doesn't count.
Yes, and the French happen to think they are independent from Germany. Oh, how horrible, they provoked Hitler! Gasp.
Not to mention that we were merely declaring independence from a state that not only didn't have a care about our well-being, but actively tried to destroy us- hence the 1944 genocide, as well as Russia's tsarist massacres.
Provocation my ass. Perhaps the Tatars should want to rule Russia again.
@kuyarahawk Dude that makes no sense at all First off France has been independent for centuries and the Chechens have just declared independce before the first war and most countries will resort to war when a piece of it tries to become indepedent.
The fact that we have been a part of Russia against our will for 150 years only serves to further my point- all that oppression, for so long. Certainly, we deserve an end to it. Unlike France, for whom Germany's oppression of it never even reached a decade.
@Wilco4009 And furthermore, if us being independent is a provocation, are the independences of Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, Georgia, Abkhazia, Azerbaijan, Armenia, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan also "provocation"? And may I mention that Russians also have ambitions to reconquer Poland, Finland, Romania, Afghanistan and Alaska; and they also want Uighuristan, Manchuria, and even Iran...?
@kuyarahawk The want to conquer those other nations were soviet times. And all of those countries that became independent were SSRs that is why they were independent and not Chechnya.
Actually, we were a separate SSR from Russia, but then they annexed it to Russia.
And this "logic" doesn't really mean much: Kazakhstan was also part of administrative Russia not long before the place broke up. Even better, the Russian liberals (much like their predecessors in 1920) promised us maximum autonomy, and explicitly upgraded our status to SSRs.
So really, that's not an argument. And even if it was, the contours of a state we never wanted to be in don't matter.
@kuyarahawk Now don't say you never wanted to be part of I am pretty sure their were times even the Chechens wanted to be part of Russia. Just take Russian Civil war the Chechens fought along side the socialist Russians to form the USSR. And Tuva was a puppet state
Lol, no... Yeah, we fought with teh Bolsheviks, but you forgot the reason we fought with them: because Lenin promised he would let us go free. The reason we fought on their side was because the fight was not to ally with them, but rather against a common foe- Imperialist Russia,
That is not wanting to be part of Russia, which has massacred and raped us daily for 200 years.
@kuyarahawk Ah you are wrong because the Chechens just let the Bolsheviks to take the whole area because they wanted to be part of the Russian Socialist Soviet Republic
No... we fought because we were supposed to be part of a separated ASSR from Russia, the so-called Mountain Republic. Of course we would rather have a CHECHEN Republic, but that's at least better than Russia...
...and really, you're just some Dutch person in Canada. Anything about our history that you know you dont' know very well. You really don't know what you're talking about.
@kuyarahawk What do I know about history watch who's talking if I am correct you live in the states and that has an awful education system unless you pay for your education it is not likely that you know about how William the Silent was assinated or how Maurice of Nassau help secure the United Provinces I would say that you know less than me when it comes to history
William the Silent was Dutch leader, no? I don't know anything about him. And why should I? I'm not Dutch, and he has pretty much no effect on me. Likewise, you don't know much about us Chechens. I wouldn't try to say I know so much about the Netherlands, and I wouldn't try to hold an argument based on my limited knowledge of all things Dutch. Likewise, you shouldn't base you're arguments around flimsy info supplied by the media.
@kuyarahawk The Media in Canada as I said before does not says that the Caucasian Front is a terrorist organization they call them. I am not in any why influenced by the Canadian Media I am informed by TWO years of research I have done on the area.
@kuyarahawk I still do not know how the spell so many words after living in English speaking countries for 13-14 years so not knowing how to spell something after two years is no biggie for me.
Yes, but the way you spelt it showed you didn't know how to pronounce it. If you mix up there and their, its fine as their pronounced the same. However, you dropped a whole syllable.
And you also didn't know what Aardakh was, and I'm pretty sure you didn't know plenty of stuff prior to this. Perhaps you know two years of RUSSIAN history, is that what you mean? In that case, you know nothing.
@kuyarahawk Two years are you kidding me I know alot more Ivan the Terriable (that is an easy example but I know more) Peter the Great, Catherine the Great, Crimean War, WWI, Russian Civil war, WWII, Seven Year Wars, Yaroslav I just to name a few.
Yes. You do know very little - about Ichkeria! Russian history, all their Tsars, Alexander Nevsky, Catherine, all the stupid Alexanders... we don't care about that for this convo.
And seriously, Russia's conquering of Chechnya was illegal to begin with. It was a violation of the exact principles now in place in the UN, which Russia is a security member of. We were just correcting a historical error, and distancing ourselves from a state that wanted to kill us. That is not an offensive act, it is a right, and a defensive act if hostile at all. But in reality, its not even hostile. If Russia would just leave us alone, independent, there would be peace.
@kuyarahawk The UN has nothing to do with anything that happens century and half ago and back then Russia wasn't part of any sort agreement that said what is not allowed in war so they could have done what they wanted you don't see Italy in a civil war now do you
@kuyarahawk Hmm never heard of Chechnya in 1955 because it happened a century before than. And all the the Geneva violations how many have Chechens broke? That right more.
Dagestanis blew up a building in DAGESTAN, as an act against their OWN gov't. That had NOTHING to do with us AT ALL. Yes, Basayev was involved, but the reason he wasn't in Ichkeria (Chechnya, in case you don't know) is that we EXILED him because we KNEW HE WAS CRAZY.
Putin invaded us again, and proceded to rape our country, destroy lives, make it rain bombs (including vacuum bombs). He wants to scare us into submission.
Yes, except that because our infrastructure was so badly damaged, there was really only one jail for the whole country, which wouldn't be particularly hard to break out of, and furthermore, if he was imprisoned, he could become a martyr for Islamists around the world and then we'd have more problems, ones that didn't come only from Russia...
@kuyarahawk It wasn't destroied until after Shamil Baseyev. And anyways not all those militants you say only come from Chechnya there are some that are from all over the place.
Yes, in fact the MAJORITY of terrorists, in fact the OVERWHELMING majority are from Dagestan, including the Buynaksk bombs. But yet they are blamed on us. Buynaksk was used as pretext for invading us, but it was Dagestanis that did it.
And yes, don't try to tell me our infrastructure wasn't destroyed by the first war. Trust me, IT WAS.
@kuyarahawk But rebuilt after the First war. Also there were Canadians fighting for but not under the Canadian army of course there was proably all sorts of other countries fighting with the Chechens also why are all the leaders of the Chechen revolution Chechen not one is Dagestani also if the Dagestanis are fighting for the Chechens why not for themselves do not shove the blame on someone else.
Lol, so we're held accountable for the actions? May I note that the Dagestanis haven't? And even if DAGESTANIS were held accountable that would be wrong because they're just crazy terrorists who no one can control. Should all Russians be held accountable for the various acts of terrorism that the extreme radicals (a large amount of people) in their country perform daily? Of course not (however, electing Putin is a thing thye can be held accountable for...)
@kuyarahawk If anything what you are saying is more wrong than what I have said the Chechens are the majorty that are using Terrorist acts if you haven't notice yes there has been a Dagestani terrorist acts but the Chechens outnumnber that of the Dagestanis
Buynaksk, the recent Moscow bombings, etc... those are blamed on Chechens by the Western media and the Russian media, but Dagestanis did it. Though the Dagestanis have their own issues that lead them to do stuff like that, so they aren't really that bad either. It's the empire which causes it that is.
@Wilco4009 As I said before, he was exiled, and he only "helped organize" them because the Dagestanis were hiding him. It was primarily a Dagestani affair.
@kuyarahawk When was that the Nagorno-Karabakh War that started in Soivet times and also Armenia was a republic during Soviet times thus giving it the right to become a country unlike Chechnya.
@kuyarahawk It states in the soviet consitution that only the republics of the soviet union can decide if it wants to be indepedent or not mind you they received a hard time about it but that is the reason why Russia does not recognize the indepednce of Chechnya.
@Wilco4009 No, ALL nations have the right to freedom. What you are saying is a Tsarist-Communist-Putinist excuse for the current war, and it is one among many on their long list of excuses. What's really behind the war is an evil empire wanting to retain control over its vast expanse of territories, and the peoples it rules wanting to be free.
@kuyarahawk Only states that have the following qualifications: (a) a permanent population; (b) a defined territory; (c) government; and (d) capacity to enter into relations with the other states. Which Chechnya has only 1-3.
@kuyarahawk umm... a- because some people (caccuasian front) think that all of the north Caccuss should be A country blame them not me. d- as of yet not even other seperatist areas in the world have recognize Chechnya because of the terrorism. C I would say already exsist in the form of the Chechnya Republic just use that system for the government minus Russia
The Caucasian front? You think that's supposed to represent the Chechen people? Of course not! As Akhmed Zakayev noted, they betrayed us in 2007 when they stated that there should be no Chechen state, but a pan-Caucasian state. That's just stupid. How can so many different peoples be squeezed into a state. Dagestan is a failure to begin with. We don't want to be Dagestan, we want a CHECHEN state.
@kuyarahawk Than why is it mainly led by CHECHENS, Mainly composed of CHECHENS and Mainly fights in CHECHNYA if CHECHENS don not one CAUCASIAN country and you are being racist to the Dagestanis. Plus Zakayev is in exile so I think he would have very little influnce and plus is just another terrorist leader.
Its led by a ton of agents provocateurs. And much of its leadership is Dagestani. And no, its not racist, as if you knew anything about the Caucasus, you would know Dagestani is not an ethnic term.
And its not really terrorism since we are at war with them anyways. I'd rather they not do it because its sometimes over the line, but its not terrorism.
And Zakayev... is diplomatic only. He's not even close to being a terrorist.
Yes, Shamil Basayev is crazy, I admit. And I hate how he has ruined the name of our nation by doing things like that. But you have to understand what drove him, and others, to that state of insanity... he was a weird person to begin with. But things would be so, so different, had the world ever just seen us as people and not as obstacles to fluffy warm sexy relations with their beloved Russia, which has a UN seat, nukes, and oil.
There would be no conflict, 0, if Russia just let us go. We refrained from trying to get teh land back in Dagestan they stole. From trying to get back all the money they stole with 150 years of colonialism and 50 years of the law that didn't allow Chechens to be employed. For the genocide in 1944. We were willing to let that all slip, if htey would just let us go. But, nope. Russia is a fascist jackass. What a wonderful country.
@Wilco4009 Do you know how many damn comments it would take me to explain all there is to you?
At least Aardakh. So, during WWII, we, as any sensible people would do, fought both evils, the Soviets and the Nazis. Tens of thousands of Chech. were Red Army fighters in the war though, and we didn't collaborate, especially seeing as we rescued thousands of Jews and Hassan Israilov, the leader of our partisans, was of Jewish roots. In '43, planes are diverted from Stalingrad to attack us.
@Wilco4009 Ethnic Russians mostly only saved Jews indirectly by defeating Hitler. Anti-Semitism was- and is- extremely deeply ingrained in Russian culture, dating back even before the pogroms. Sure, there were some Russians that rescued Jews. But the percent is considerably less than Poles, Chechens, Estonians and even Germans. And they resumed persecuting Jews once the war was over- they got deported to Siberia (though not en masse).
Yes, yes, and then they proceeded to deport the majority of Jews living in the USSR.... it's not an argument really. And furthermore, rescuing the Jews was never, even once, even remotely a side goal for them.
@kuyarahawk They are the ones who save the Chechens from being anhilated from this planted along side with other USSR minorities. Same reason I won't say to a Canadian Veteran that they didn't thought of saving the Dutch only thought for themselves which they didn't
The Nazis and the Soviets/Russian Imperialists were just two different oppressing powers. That one destroyed the other doesn't change the fact that they are BOTH horrible.
And did I mention that the same veterans who fought in WWII came home and carried out Aardakh? Yes, we should be very very thankful that they annihiliated nearly half of all Chechens... Soooo appreciative, I'm just feeling the love right now......
How would you know whether I'd be alive or not, really... there's so many factors. Not to mention that the whole question of whether individual soldiers fought... is rather pointless.
No, we are not particularly thankful to the army that committed genocide against us. Even if Stalin ordered it, Russians committed it, and worse still, Russians moved onto our lands, stole our belongings, etc. So it doesn't work to say they aren't guilty.
@kuyarahawk And the Chechens are guilty of doing the same thing to them when they came back. The Chechens kick the Russians out of their houses that they have lived in their whole lives. The Chechens start killing Russians for they still believe that the Russian are still in favour of Stalin while most of them hate him and the Chehchens think the Russian want do the same thing as in WWII than called independce pissing off Yeltsin. Whose rating plumet because of his actions
Yeltsin's rating plummeted because he screwed over the economy and because he was a drunkard, not because of any humanitarian concern on the part of Russians.
And no, in fact, we never wanted to kick Russians out universally. For example, Dudayev (first pres.) had a Russian wife and preached ethnic tolerance. Personally, I believe the Russians should be treated as compatriots because they are also, in fact, the victims of Moscow's bombs.
@kuyarahawk Than why do the Chechens throw almost all the Russians out of their homes which they have either bought or recieved through a will, tell me that.
First of all, before the first war, things were relatively okay for Russians in Ichkeria. The president's wife, after all, was Russian. The Russians however, had been rich at our expense, so when we had our revolution, naturally skill took precedence of ethnicity, and Russians lost their jobs to Chechens. So many moved for that reason before the war. Then, in the war, they sided with Russia, and Dudayev was killed.
And after the war, yes, ethnic Russians were targeted, mainly because they had taken up arms against people they lived amongst, a clear breach of the laws of hospitality (remember its our land). Personally, I would prefer to see them become Chechens by persuasion, after all they are victims of the bombs too. However, there was nothing but chaos, and some Chechens thought otherwise, and when you have a mob of angry people, well, things happen.
lol putin?
99681655 1 month ago
fuck you 3g ! from tbilisi ,
globusa100 5 months ago
I like this song a lot, and fuck off with all your negative comments, georgians are very cool people so back off !
poppy1moore 8 months ago
lol....cooooooooooooool
TheNanaab 11 months ago
''we don't wonna put in negative moves''
ninushkini 1 year ago
Fuck Warsaw pakt!!
Oh! It's already fucked! :-P
Suck dicks communists!!!
Hansschmitd2 1 year ago
fuck NATO......
ValkonMixMaster 1 year ago
А!Точно!Я ж тоже из Украины! Ви донт вона ссакиш! Оееа!ющенко пидар,ссакиш гандон... Ну мелодию только добавить... :-)
Evgeniy19800627 1 year ago
@Evgeniy19800627
хах) Саакашвили псих) и г**дон)))
vankaprokudin 1 year ago
@vankaprokudin Блин,ну петь же не умеют!Еще в Евровидиние лезут дибилоиды. :-)
Evgeniy19800627 1 year ago
Если бы хоть петь умели,хотя мелодия покатит!!!Саакашвили выродок! :-)
Evgeniy19800627 1 year ago
We don't wanna putin too
Cheers from Ukraine
ukrainaforever 1 year ago
Putin killed the polish president. R.I.P.
86kinky86 1 year ago 2
We don't want him too... thank U Georgia! Greatings from Poland!
ori84 1 year ago
@ori84
Whether you have no right to speak "want you Putin or not"!!! In the first it the president of Russia, and you live in Poland,
In the second such people as you which say that Russian morons, Putin the sucker etc., are simple idiots, degenerates who speak that has got!
In the third president of Poland Putin didn't kill! The plane itself has fallen, and Putin here and!
vankaprokudin 1 year ago
@vankaprokudin Well, I didn't say a word, but You already know what I think about Russians, or death-accident with polish President... It would be much better if You try to listen a while, not just repeats slogans You heard on tv...
ori84 1 year ago
@vankaprokudin Russians are great, warm people. But their elites, poets, writers used to live in jail. The rest looks like they have tv-sets in place of brain, or are to scarred to have their own opinion. Like Lech Kaczynski had. Or Anna Politkowska. Or hungreds others victims of bad coincidences in Russia, just like Vladymir Vysotsky singed...
ori84 1 year ago 2
Search Stephanie & 3G or We Don't Wanna Put In. Last time I checked I couldn't find this. Only found it with Georgia 2009 eurovision. And who would give this so many dislikes? Must have something to do with Russian "internet police".
passstrenghtfair 1 year ago
this one is my favourite Georgia entry, sad it was thrown out of the competition
MissYouLuciano 1 year ago
FUCK THE RUSSIANS how is this offending?????????? that just the name of the song.. jeez
TheNiniXx 1 year ago
i love this song :)
NiniMango 1 year ago
посредственная песня с политическим подтекстом
131zuza 1 year ago
this is like david vs goliath, remember that two parts of georgia do not want to be georgians and that chanishvili was so stupid to shoot the first bomb...he was stupid! its not like i am a putin- supporter but chanishvili? come on its like he is sick, has got detachment from reality , he knew that russians would react like this and that usa would be to far away and not interested to step into a fight between russia and europe and georgia...tss...go ahead and eat your tie ....
jenntonik 1 year ago
putin putanka putanaaa putana putana putanka xaroshie pesnia((((((((((((((
ARAGVELI1 1 year ago
Kudos to Georgia for saying what we all were thinking xD.
yalens 1 year ago
@yalens actually it isn't what we are all thinking
Wilco4009 1 year ago
@Wilco4009
Maybe not be what you were thinking.
I meant, we, as in Chechens, Georgians, Azeris, you know, us. The people you ignorant Canadians don't even know exist.
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@kuyarahawk I am sorry but I do know you guys exist but not even every chechen or georgian or Azeris hates Putin ( I am Ducth by the way)
Wilco4009 1 year ago
@Wilco4009
Perhaps not every Azeri. Not every Chechen, considering that he bombs even white-flag-bearing refugees, put the rapist Kadyrov in power, and so on... is hard to believe.
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@kuyarahawk He does not bombs every refugee and last time I check there were chechen rebels blowing up railways ( not to say all chechens are terrorists) plus to Kaydrov was one the chechen terrorists so the chechens should be happy to have a chechen rebel as president of the Chechen republic.
Wilco4009 1 year ago
@Wilco4009
...you're Dutch right? Ahem. Perhaps the Nazis can be revived and take over your country and go around raping every one, we'll se how long ur sane.
Kadyrov was an asshole and so was his father. We didn't like them even before they were traitors They switched sides because they were promised power. Now he runs the place, and you say a word against him, and your in his rape pit. Joy.
Yes, he bombs refugees. Do I have to go through all of them. How about we start with Katyr-Yurt...
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@Wilco4009
Katyr-Yurt? So, the Ruskis bomb the place to the ground, using vacuum bombs and other Geneva-convention-banned things. Then on the third day, with 90% of the people dead, they tell the Chechens they can get in this tiny little truck and flee, bearing white flags. They all get in... then the Russians launch a rocket at it to make sure no one can tell the tale. Unfortunately, a French journalist was watching, and Chechens who told their relatives (relatives like me).
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@Wilco4009
Really, its very annoying, hearing all you stupid people who know absolutely nothing always talking about how misunderstood poor Russia is. Talk to an Arab, they say we Chechens are nothing but Western backed terroists. Talk to a German, then we're Islamist Al-Qaeda operatives. Apparently, the notion, the truth, that all we've ever wanted is the same Estonia got is completely forgotten, even though we have always suffered the most horribly (see 1944 genocide) under Russian rule...
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@kuyarahawk I did not said that all Chechens were terrorists. Plus the stuff about rapping there is no defient proof and if there is most likely the chechen rebels are doing the same thing.About kutyr-Yurt "That plan involved leading the Chechen separatist fighters to believe that a safe exit would be possible out of the city to the mountains in the south of Chechnya. On February 2, 2000, they were allowed to leave the city and were then caught in minefields and attacked ..."
Wilco4009 1 year ago
@Wilco4009
No one who knows a thing believes that crap. And I'll trust what we have heard from not only our own people, but from French journalists, over the propaganda that Russia feeds to Western news.
What you don't get is that there are no terrorists in war. War is war. Yes, I believe going and taking a theatre was unnecessary and apprehensible, but that debate is for Chechens.
And as for proof? There's videos, documentaries, even Kadyrov's aids let stuff slip now and then...
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@kuyarahawk Not terrorists then why does USA considerers Caucasus Front as a terrortist orginaztion. Not only that but it is always the politicians that gets to deicdes what happens in a war it is the generals. And don't give me the bs about how the politicians should remove these generals. And about the west warpping stroies for Russia it is the exact oppoiste all we here about is that the russians are cruel people which they are not compare to the Caucasian Front killing childern
Wilco4009 1 year ago
@Wilco4009
The Caucasian Front is not legitimate. It is the result of agent provacateurs and stupid Arabs that managed to influence our country because certain politicians had no one else to turn to, and we got stuck with them.
Had the West ever raised an eyelid at us, it wouldn't exist, and you would see a liberal, Westernized country...
But things are changing now... now, Georgia may be on our side, so we may soon have a better alternative to crazy Arabs. I hope so...
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@kuyarahawk Georgia wouldn't be much better because it does the same things to its seperatist regions as Russia but worse they bomb thier own cities to provoke a war which isn't much better then terrorists
Wilco4009 1 year ago
@Wilco4009
Lol and Russia never bombed our cities?
I'm sure Georgia has its reasons- no doubt including the massacres against ethnic Georgians by Ossetes (note that the Ossetes also committed genocide with the Russians against the Ingush on multiple occasions). The Ossetes are just acting like Russian puppets as well as murderers. Every time, they always screw us over and ruin our freedom . They deserve freedom, but only if they ditch Russia, and stop being hypocrites.
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@kuyarahawk They have no reason on Ossetia but they do on Abkhazia who did had a genocide against ethnic georgians but the Ossetins nothing that know about
Wilco4009 1 year ago
@Wilco4009
You don't know? The Georgians of South Ossetia are being rounded up, town by town and being "requested" to leave. Judging from the condition of the refugees streaming into Georgia proper, and the loss of their belongings and houses, one can only guess what has happened, even before they tell there stories...
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@kuyarahawk Now I will do the same thing as you its "their stories" not "there stories" you do know anything. How does it feels now.
Wilco4009 1 year ago
@Wilco4009
Yes, but that it is a legitimate spelling error based off pronounciation... Abkhazia for Abzhia shows that you've never, once, heard it spoken...
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@kuyarahawk It not like most people in Canada have heard of course most of what I know about these regions are through research I have done since the 2008 South Ossetia conflict
Wilco4009 1 year ago
@Wilco4009
Yes, but your knowledge of our conflict with Russia is shallow at best, and you interpret it in any way to aid your argument...
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@kuyarahawk Than yours of WWII seems much more shallow than mines of Russia.
Wilco4009 1 year ago
@Wilco4009
I believe I know quite well what the conflict in WWII is about and what happened. The main difference between us is that you think we Chechens should be thankful to the Russian army which massacred us. -
Seriously, you're arguing just for the sake of arguing, because you think I called you stupid (when I didn't). Dude, youtube is anonymous. You shouldn't get so angry and offended over things like that so easily.
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@kuyarahawk You are obviously the one who is angry. Plus now you are lying saying that you didn't called me stupid. What the Russians did was after WWII
Wilco4009 1 year ago
@Wilco4009
I didn't lie, as you can see from the dialogue, I said you lacked knowledge.
Yes, and I think, as a Chechen, I have a right to be angry, not only a right, but a duty, when someone insults my nation and says we don't deserve independence, and even worse, that its somehow okay what Russia is doing. You, however, are Dutch, and have no reason to feel emotional about this at all.
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@kuyarahawk No one in this world has the duty to be angry. I hvae not said the Chechens don't deserve independence what I said is their means are wrong using terrorism instead of some other peaceful way.
Wilco4009 1 year ago
@Wilco4009
Yes, may I remind you that we peacefully separated in 1991 and then reaffirmed our separation - peacefully!- in 1997?
And yes, you have said that somehow we do not deserve independence because we were not a Union Republic. Like the territorial ideas of the conqueror are supposed to matter...
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@kuyarahawk What I said is that Chechnya didn't became a country because it was not a republic before 1991. And seperated peacefully in 1991 what a joke
Wilco4009 1 year ago
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kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@Wilco4009 Yes, we separated peacefully. Not a single person was killed. Yes, we had a revolution, but no on died (except one guy who fell from a window, but that's only one person, and he probably jumped). Russia was supposed to just leave us alone after that but they didn't.
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@kuyarahawk September 6, 1991 Dudayev stormed a session of the Chechen-Ingush ASSR Supreme Soviet with the aim of asserting independence. It caused the death of the head of the Grozny's branch of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union Vitaly Kutsenko, who was thrown out of a window. I wouldn't call that jumping if some rebels (led by the latter president of Chechnya) came wanting independce it more likely they threw him out because he disagreed with them.
Wilco4009 1 year ago
@Wilco4009
We still don't know if he fell or if he was thrown. But either way, the communist party actually wanted independence too, its just that they wanted a state run by themselves. We wanted independence AND to throw them out of power. So it had much more to do with the Communist party than independence.
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
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@Wilco4009 Yes, we separated peacefully. Not a single person was killed. Yes, we had a revolution, but no on died (except one guy who fell from a window, but that's only one person, and he probably jumped). Russia was supposed to just leave us alone after that but they didn't.
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
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kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@Wilco4009
It's not like Katyr is the only thign too... pretty much the whole war is like that. Now, as we speak, Ukraine's new president is having his police terrorize Chechen refugees, at Putin's request. Why must we always be victims? Because we don't have a state in the UN, that's why. So people can do all they want to us.
And if you don't know about Aardakh in 1944, you don't know anything...
You really don't know a thing. Raping of Chechens' institutionalized, its not just war stuff
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@kuyarahawk Aardakh was WWII or the madman Stalin I am not here saying that Russia was always a good guy what I am saying Is that not everyone hates Putin (his approval rate is 82%)
Wilco4009 1 year ago
@Wilco4009
His approval rate is 78% and that's people who "approve of his work as PM". But that is among Russians (mainly the 79% of ethnic Russians in Russia, as well as some Tatars and Ukrainians, since others are harder to reach), who have censored media, etc, etc. Why would I care what they think?
Putin may be loved in Russia, but that doesn't mean Russia's neighbors, or even minorities (such as the Sakha, for example) within Russia (I don't consider Chechnya within Russia) do.
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@kuyarahawk By the consitution Chechnya is still inside the Russian Federation do not say Chechnya is its own country until it is recoginize by at least one country (this is why I recoginize South Ossetia and the other country in Georgia Abzhia or something like that)
Wilco4009 1 year ago
@Wilco4009
Lol, nation, not country.
Everyone knows that if anyone recognizes ICHKERIA (not Chechnya, that's what the Russians call it) they lose trade with Russia, so no one does.
And South Ossetia isn't a nation- they are a Russian province now, pretty much. They even have Russian passports. Russian imperialism, glaring and obvious. If they actually wanted freedom, I would support it, but they are simply tools of Moscow against Georgia.
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@kuyarahawk They only use "Russian" passports because they won't be able to travel if they had South Ossetian passports
Wilco4009 1 year ago
@Wilco4009
Except that Russia would recognize them.
And in any case, Ossetes are so poor they could never afford to travel (most of them) anyways, so what's the big deal.
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@kuyarahawk Now that is racism you cannot say that all Ossetians are poor there are some that could afford way more then you can
Wilco4009 1 year ago
@Wilco4009
It is not racism, it is an accepted fact that the Caucasus as a whole is poor, largely due to Russian colonialism. This includes Georgia too. We get stripped of our resources, raped, and all that crap, and get nothing in return.
As for South Ossetia, they also have some of the same problems we had- no one will trade with them.
It's not racism, its a fact.
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@Wilco4009
Lol you can't even spell AbKHAZia.
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@kuyarahawk I have never been good at spelling because I am Dutch and move around a lot(I mean by km) when I was young
Wilco4009 1 year ago
@Wilco4009
Yes, but you know, you never hear Abkhazia or see it spelt. It's not an English word.
That you don't know how to spell it shows even more that you don't have a clue what you're talking about.
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@kuyarahawk This is a total insult spelling has nothing to do with this arguement you are just trying to think up ways to undermine my creditablity
Wilco4009 1 year ago
@Wilco4009 No it is not merely an insult, it shows that you lack knowledge on the region. If you knew more, you would've heard/seen Abkhazia more often, and know at least that its not Abzhia. It's not merely spelling, its the name itself...
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@kuyarahawk Have you notice how many words I don't spell right. Spelling has very little to do with intellgence. I can't even spell most of the provinces of Canada names or most of the cities does not says I know not anything
Wilco4009 1 year ago
@Wilco4009
Yes, but whehter you spell it Saskatchewan or Siscochiwon doesn't change that you know what it sounds like....
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@Wilco4009
And no, I never said you were not intelligent either. What I did say is that you know little about this topic.
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@kuyarahawk Than shall I say you know nothing about Quebec seperatist. NO!
Wilco4009 1 year ago
@Wilco4009
Yes, but the Quebequois have nothing to do with the current discussion at all, so why does it matter.
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@kuyarahawk I don't know "anything" if I don't know Aardakh. I am regarded as one the smartest intelluctals in my school and that is because my vast knowledge of the world. Plus in Canada there are sepertists (Quebec) and they do not go as far as the Caucasian Front
Wilco4009 1 year ago
@Wilco4009 I thought you were Dutch. Yeah, one of the major differences is that no one commits genocide against the Quebecois every year.
I don't care what you get in school. I happen to be an A-student as well. But intelligence doesn't equal knowledge, and you clearly listen to the exact Western stations which are handfed by the Russian government which wants to portray us as violent terrorists. Nazi Germany would do the same to France if it were today.
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@kuyarahawk In Canada Russia is told as a crazy evil country. I am only using Quebec as an example because I live in Canada. Plus in 1991 the Chechens were gaven a clean sheet and they ruined it in 1991
Wilco4009 1 year ago
@Wilco4009
Because, being recognized by one country Russia, and having a market completely blockaded from outside trade and left with the trash that Russia left us with after 150 years of colonialism... is that really a clean sheet? The world never gave us a chance. Fuck the so called international community, they cozy up with Russia for oil and merely watch us get raped. Even worse, Russia actively destabilized the state by aiding whoever wanted to throw over the current gov't...
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@kuyarahawk Budyonnovsk hospital hostage crisis took place from 14 June to 19 June 1995, when a group of 80 to 200 Chechen terrorists led by Shamil Basayev same man who is a terrorist killing childern and women before the Russian Federation.
Wilco4009 1 year ago
@Wilco4009
And the Russians never killed woman and children? My ass.
No one seems to note that Russians blew up plenty of operating hospitals in their invasion of my homeland. Apparently, when Russians do it, its okay. But when certain rather radical and extreme Chechens, like Basayev, who had multiple family members killed in the exact bombing I mentioned and went crazy partly as a result, do so... it is "terrorism". Two countries are at war, for crying out loud.
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@kuyarahawk Dude what I said is that the cheshens started it before the russians did and also then you cannot pin it on Putin because these are Generals and soilders themselves go over the edge and start killing civilins for no reason. This was seen in the Vietnam War.
Wilco4009 1 year ago
@Wilco4009
Lolwhut? WE started the war. Ahem, in 1994, we had done a whole lot of NOTHING to the Russians, when suddenly they attack us. Well, actually they had tried to overthrow Dudayev in a coup (and that failed), before. But I somehow don't think that foiling their coup could be considered an act of aggression.
And if you mean in 1999, that wasn't Chechens, that was Dagestanis, and as I said before, Basayev had by then been excommunicated by our president, so he doesn't count.
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@kuyarahawk In 1991 the Chechens declared they were independent and you say that is nothing to provoke men like Yeltsin
Wilco4009 1 year ago
@Wilco4009
Yes, and the French happen to think they are independent from Germany. Oh, how horrible, they provoked Hitler! Gasp.
Not to mention that we were merely declaring independence from a state that not only didn't have a care about our well-being, but actively tried to destroy us- hence the 1944 genocide, as well as Russia's tsarist massacres.
Provocation my ass. Perhaps the Tatars should want to rule Russia again.
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@kuyarahawk Dude that makes no sense at all First off France has been independent for centuries and the Chechens have just declared independce before the first war and most countries will resort to war when a piece of it tries to become indepedent.
Wilco4009 1 year ago
@Wilco4009
The fact that we have been a part of Russia against our will for 150 years only serves to further my point- all that oppression, for so long. Certainly, we deserve an end to it. Unlike France, for whom Germany's oppression of it never even reached a decade.
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@Wilco4009 And furthermore, if us being independent is a provocation, are the independences of Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, Georgia, Abkhazia, Azerbaijan, Armenia, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan also "provocation"? And may I mention that Russians also have ambitions to reconquer Poland, Finland, Romania, Afghanistan and Alaska; and they also want Uighuristan, Manchuria, and even Iran...?
Really.
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@kuyarahawk The want to conquer those other nations were soviet times. And all of those countries that became independent were SSRs that is why they were independent and not Chechnya.
Wilco4009 1 year ago
@Wilco4009
Actually, we were a separate SSR from Russia, but then they annexed it to Russia.
And this "logic" doesn't really mean much: Kazakhstan was also part of administrative Russia not long before the place broke up. Even better, the Russian liberals (much like their predecessors in 1920) promised us maximum autonomy, and explicitly upgraded our status to SSRs.
So really, that's not an argument. And even if it was, the contours of a state we never wanted to be in don't matter.
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@kuyarahawk When it broke up all the SSR at the time were to become countries not any of the Atonumous Republics like Chechnya
Wilco4009 1 year ago
@Wilco4009
Yes, but why should we be bound to the laws of a state we never wanted, once, to be a part of?
And in any case, Moldova had been part of Ukraine, and Kazakhstan was part of Russia, so... the argument fails.
(not to mention that Tuva was independent before WWII)
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@kuyarahawk Now don't say you never wanted to be part of I am pretty sure their were times even the Chechens wanted to be part of Russia. Just take Russian Civil war the Chechens fought along side the socialist Russians to form the USSR. And Tuva was a puppet state
Wilco4009 1 year ago
@Wilco4009
Lol, no... Yeah, we fought with teh Bolsheviks, but you forgot the reason we fought with them: because Lenin promised he would let us go free. The reason we fought on their side was because the fight was not to ally with them, but rather against a common foe- Imperialist Russia,
That is not wanting to be part of Russia, which has massacred and raped us daily for 200 years.
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@kuyarahawk Ah you are wrong because the Chechens just let the Bolsheviks to take the whole area because they wanted to be part of the Russian Socialist Soviet Republic
Wilco4009 1 year ago
@Wilco4009
No... we fought because we were supposed to be part of a separated ASSR from Russia, the so-called Mountain Republic. Of course we would rather have a CHECHEN Republic, but that's at least better than Russia...
...and really, you're just some Dutch person in Canada. Anything about our history that you know you dont' know very well. You really don't know what you're talking about.
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@kuyarahawk What do I know about history watch who's talking if I am correct you live in the states and that has an awful education system unless you pay for your education it is not likely that you know about how William the Silent was assinated or how Maurice of Nassau help secure the United Provinces I would say that you know less than me when it comes to history
Wilco4009 1 year ago
@Wilco4009
Yes but this is not the topic of discussion.
William the Silent was Dutch leader, no? I don't know anything about him. And why should I? I'm not Dutch, and he has pretty much no effect on me. Likewise, you don't know much about us Chechens. I wouldn't try to say I know so much about the Netherlands, and I wouldn't try to hold an argument based on my limited knowledge of all things Dutch. Likewise, you shouldn't base you're arguments around flimsy info supplied by the media.
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@kuyarahawk The Media in Canada as I said before does not says that the Caucasian Front is a terrorist organization they call them. I am not in any why influenced by the Canadian Media I am informed by TWO years of research I have done on the area.
Wilco4009 1 year ago
@Wilco4009
mmhm. Clearly, I'm finding it difficult to believe that someone with two years of research on the Caucasus still doesn't know the name of Abkhazia...
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@kuyarahawk I still do not know how the spell so many words after living in English speaking countries for 13-14 years so not knowing how to spell something after two years is no biggie for me.
Wilco4009 1 year ago
@Wilco4009
Yes, but the way you spelt it showed you didn't know how to pronounce it. If you mix up there and their, its fine as their pronounced the same. However, you dropped a whole syllable.
And you also didn't know what Aardakh was, and I'm pretty sure you didn't know plenty of stuff prior to this. Perhaps you know two years of RUSSIAN history, is that what you mean? In that case, you know nothing.
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@kuyarahawk Two years are you kidding me I know alot more Ivan the Terriable (that is an easy example but I know more) Peter the Great, Catherine the Great, Crimean War, WWI, Russian Civil war, WWII, Seven Year Wars, Yaroslav I just to name a few.
Wilco4009 1 year ago
@Wilco4009
Yes, yes, I know these too. However, they have absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@kuyarahawk I am saying doea things because you said "you know two years of Russian history" and you said again I know nothing.
Wilco4009 1 year ago
@Wilco4009
Yes. You do know very little - about Ichkeria! Russian history, all their Tsars, Alexander Nevsky, Catherine, all the stupid Alexanders... we don't care about that for this convo.
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@kuyarahawk Than why bring up anything about You don't know anything about history of Chechnya CRAP.
Wilco4009 1 year ago
@Wilco4009
And seriously, Russia's conquering of Chechnya was illegal to begin with. It was a violation of the exact principles now in place in the UN, which Russia is a security member of. We were just correcting a historical error, and distancing ourselves from a state that wanted to kill us. That is not an offensive act, it is a right, and a defensive act if hostile at all. But in reality, its not even hostile. If Russia would just leave us alone, independent, there would be peace.
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@kuyarahawk The UN has nothing to do with anything that happens century and half ago and back then Russia wasn't part of any sort agreement that said what is not allowed in war so they could have done what they wanted you don't see Italy in a civil war now do you
Wilco4009 1 year ago
@Wilco4009
I am talking about 1944-57.
And I am talking about now as well.
It's not only the UN, Russia violates Geneva with its vacuum bombs, mass kidnappings, torture, wholesale destruction of cities, et cetera....
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@kuyarahawk Hmm never heard of Chechnya in 1955 because it happened a century before than. And all the the Geneva violations how many have Chechens broke? That right more.
Wilco4009 1 year ago
@Wilco4009
Yes, but they continued the oppression after they signed, and it continues to this day...
And why bring up Italy.
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@kuyarahawk Where did I brought up Italy unless you are refering to the time I refer to them about who followed Hitler
Wilco4009 1 year ago
@kuyarahawk Also the first war and I think the second war started in Yeltsin's time as president not Putin's.
Wilco4009 1 year ago
@Wilco4009
Yeltsin stepped down, and then Putin became president less than a year before the Second Chechen War started.
Yeltsin was a drunk lunatic, Putin is a maniacal killer. Reminds me of the tsars.
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@Wilco4009
What you said ISN'T true.
Dagestanis blew up a building in DAGESTAN, as an act against their OWN gov't. That had NOTHING to do with us AT ALL. Yes, Basayev was involved, but the reason he wasn't in Ichkeria (Chechnya, in case you don't know) is that we EXILED him because we KNEW HE WAS CRAZY.
Putin invaded us again, and proceded to rape our country, destroy lives, make it rain bombs (including vacuum bombs). He wants to scare us into submission.
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@kuyarahawk Maybe next time put a guy like that in a mental assylum or in Jail
Wilco4009 1 year ago
@Wilco4009
Yes, except that because our infrastructure was so badly damaged, there was really only one jail for the whole country, which wouldn't be particularly hard to break out of, and furthermore, if he was imprisoned, he could become a martyr for Islamists around the world and then we'd have more problems, ones that didn't come only from Russia...
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@kuyarahawk It wasn't destroied until after Shamil Baseyev. And anyways not all those militants you say only come from Chechnya there are some that are from all over the place.
Wilco4009 1 year ago
@Wilco4009
Yes, in fact the MAJORITY of terrorists, in fact the OVERWHELMING majority are from Dagestan, including the Buynaksk bombs. But yet they are blamed on us. Buynaksk was used as pretext for invading us, but it was Dagestanis that did it.
And yes, don't try to tell me our infrastructure wasn't destroyed by the first war. Trust me, IT WAS.
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@kuyarahawk But rebuilt after the First war. Also there were Canadians fighting for but not under the Canadian army of course there was proably all sorts of other countries fighting with the Chechens also why are all the leaders of the Chechen revolution Chechen not one is Dagestani also if the Dagestanis are fighting for the Chechens why not for themselves do not shove the blame on someone else.
Wilco4009 1 year ago
@Wilco4009
Lol, so we're held accountable for the actions? May I note that the Dagestanis haven't? And even if DAGESTANIS were held accountable that would be wrong because they're just crazy terrorists who no one can control. Should all Russians be held accountable for the various acts of terrorism that the extreme radicals (a large amount of people) in their country perform daily? Of course not (however, electing Putin is a thing thye can be held accountable for...)
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@kuyarahawk If anything what you are saying is more wrong than what I have said the Chechens are the majorty that are using Terrorist acts if you haven't notice yes there has been a Dagestani terrorist acts but the Chechens outnumnber that of the Dagestanis
Wilco4009 1 year ago
@Wilco4009
Buynaksk, the recent Moscow bombings, etc... those are blamed on Chechens by the Western media and the Russian media, but Dagestanis did it. Though the Dagestanis have their own issues that lead them to do stuff like that, so they aren't really that bad either. It's the empire which causes it that is.
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@kuyarahawk Buynaksk was by Shamil Basayev who is Chehchen.
Wilco4009 1 year ago
@Wilco4009 As I said before, he was exiled, and he only "helped organize" them because the Dagestanis were hiding him. It was primarily a Dagestani affair.
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@kuyarahawk Dagestanis and Chechens how many times must I stress the point that Chechens are involed in terrorism
Wilco4009 1 year ago
@Wilco4009 So are Armenians. But that doesn't deny the Armenians' right to a country, does it?
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@kuyarahawk When was that the Nagorno-Karabakh War that started in Soivet times and also Armenia was a republic during Soviet times thus giving it the right to become a country unlike Chechnya.
Wilco4009 1 year ago
@Wilco4009 Good, so we lack the right to have a state, somehow, because of the territorial divisions of the conqueror? Wonderful.
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@kuyarahawk It states in the soviet consitution that only the republics of the soviet union can decide if it wants to be indepedent or not mind you they received a hard time about it but that is the reason why Russia does not recognize the indepednce of Chechnya.
Wilco4009 1 year ago
@Wilco4009 that's an excuse not a reason.
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@kuyarahawk How is that an excuse it explains why Chechnya didn't had the right to become indepdent from the Soviet Union in 1991
Wilco4009 1 year ago
@Wilco4009 No, ALL nations have the right to freedom. What you are saying is a Tsarist-Communist-Putinist excuse for the current war, and it is one among many on their long list of excuses. What's really behind the war is an evil empire wanting to retain control over its vast expanse of territories, and the peoples it rules wanting to be free.
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@kuyarahawk Only states that have the following qualifications: (a) a permanent population; (b) a defined territory; (c) government; and (d) capacity to enter into relations with the other states. Which Chechnya has only 1-3.
Wilco4009 1 year ago
@Wilco4009
Currently we have 3 out of four (all but c, but that's no fault of our own)
and in any case, all of them can be ATTAINED.
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@kuyarahawk umm... a- because some people (caccuasian front) think that all of the north Caccuss should be A country blame them not me. d- as of yet not even other seperatist areas in the world have recognize Chechnya because of the terrorism. C I would say already exsist in the form of the Chechnya Republic just use that system for the government minus Russia
Wilco4009 1 year ago
@Wilco4009
The Caucasian front? You think that's supposed to represent the Chechen people? Of course not! As Akhmed Zakayev noted, they betrayed us in 2007 when they stated that there should be no Chechen state, but a pan-Caucasian state. That's just stupid. How can so many different peoples be squeezed into a state. Dagestan is a failure to begin with. We don't want to be Dagestan, we want a CHECHEN state.
They do not represent us.
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@kuyarahawk Than why is it mainly led by CHECHENS, Mainly composed of CHECHENS and Mainly fights in CHECHNYA if CHECHENS don not one CAUCASIAN country and you are being racist to the Dagestanis. Plus Zakayev is in exile so I think he would have very little influnce and plus is just another terrorist leader.
Wilco4009 1 year ago
@Wilco4009
Its led by a ton of agents provocateurs. And much of its leadership is Dagestani. And no, its not racist, as if you knew anything about the Caucasus, you would know Dagestani is not an ethnic term.
And its not really terrorism since we are at war with them anyways. I'd rather they not do it because its sometimes over the line, but its not terrorism.
And Zakayev... is diplomatic only. He's not even close to being a terrorist.
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@kuyarahawk Here you go again saying that I know nothing about this or that seriously think up a new arguement.
Wilco4009 1 year ago
@Wilco4009
Yes, Shamil Basayev is crazy, I admit. And I hate how he has ruined the name of our nation by doing things like that. But you have to understand what drove him, and others, to that state of insanity... he was a weird person to begin with. But things would be so, so different, had the world ever just seen us as people and not as obstacles to fluffy warm sexy relations with their beloved Russia, which has a UN seat, nukes, and oil.
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@Wilco4009
There is no excuse, 0 for what Russia has done.
There would be no conflict, 0, if Russia just let us go. We refrained from trying to get teh land back in Dagestan they stole. From trying to get back all the money they stole with 150 years of colonialism and 50 years of the law that didn't allow Chechens to be employed. For the genocide in 1944. We were willing to let that all slip, if htey would just let us go. But, nope. Russia is a fascist jackass. What a wonderful country.
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@Wilco4009 Do you know how many damn comments it would take me to explain all there is to you?
At least Aardakh. So, during WWII, we, as any sensible people would do, fought both evils, the Soviets and the Nazis. Tens of thousands of Chech. were Red Army fighters in the war though, and we didn't collaborate, especially seeing as we rescued thousands of Jews and Hassan Israilov, the leader of our partisans, was of Jewish roots. In '43, planes are diverted from Stalingrad to attack us.
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@kuyarahawk Last time I check the russians also saved the Jews so don't put the credit on Chechens alone
Wilco4009 1 year ago
@Wilco4009 Ethnic Russians mostly only saved Jews indirectly by defeating Hitler. Anti-Semitism was- and is- extremely deeply ingrained in Russian culture, dating back even before the pogroms. Sure, there were some Russians that rescued Jews. But the percent is considerably less than Poles, Chechens, Estonians and even Germans. And they resumed persecuting Jews once the war was over- they got deported to Siberia (though not en masse).
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@kuyarahawk Ethnic Russians mostly only saved Jews indirectly by defeating Hitler. Where the h*ll do you get that onfo from
Wilco4009 1 year ago
@Wilco4009
They defeated Hitler because they were attacked but also because they wanted to conquer lands (Poland, etc.) .
That's not overly admirable.
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@kuyarahawk Last time I check it was ethnic Russians who liberated Aushwitz the worst of all concetration camps
Wilco4009 1 year ago
@Wilco4009
Yes, yes, and then they proceeded to deport the majority of Jews living in the USSR.... it's not an argument really. And furthermore, rescuing the Jews was never, even once, even remotely a side goal for them.
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@kuyarahawk Try telling this to a Russian Veteran I don't think he will be real happy with you
Wilco4009 1 year ago
@Wilco4009
Why would I care about Russian veterans exactly?
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@kuyarahawk They are the ones who save the Chechens from being anhilated from this planted along side with other USSR minorities. Same reason I won't say to a Canadian Veteran that they didn't thought of saving the Dutch only thought for themselves which they didn't
Wilco4009 1 year ago
@Wilco4009
Lol, so we're supposed to be thankful.
The Nazis and the Soviets/Russian Imperialists were just two different oppressing powers. That one destroyed the other doesn't change the fact that they are BOTH horrible.
And did I mention that the same veterans who fought in WWII came home and carried out Aardakh? Yes, we should be very very thankful that they annihiliated nearly half of all Chechens... Soooo appreciative, I'm just feeling the love right now......
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@kuyarahawk Dude just say you are them lucky that you wouldn't be alive right NOW if it WASN"T for the SOILDERS that FOUGHT in WWII
Wilco4009 1 year ago
@Wilco4009
How would you know whether I'd be alive or not, really... there's so many factors. Not to mention that the whole question of whether individual soldiers fought... is rather pointless.
No, we are not particularly thankful to the army that committed genocide against us. Even if Stalin ordered it, Russians committed it, and worse still, Russians moved onto our lands, stole our belongings, etc. So it doesn't work to say they aren't guilty.
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@kuyarahawk And the Chechens are guilty of doing the same thing to them when they came back. The Chechens kick the Russians out of their houses that they have lived in their whole lives. The Chechens start killing Russians for they still believe that the Russian are still in favour of Stalin while most of them hate him and the Chehchens think the Russian want do the same thing as in WWII than called independce pissing off Yeltsin. Whose rating plumet because of his actions
Wilco4009 1 year ago
@Wilco4009
Yeltsin's rating plummeted because he screwed over the economy and because he was a drunkard, not because of any humanitarian concern on the part of Russians.
And no, in fact, we never wanted to kick Russians out universally. For example, Dudayev (first pres.) had a Russian wife and preached ethnic tolerance. Personally, I believe the Russians should be treated as compatriots because they are also, in fact, the victims of Moscow's bombs.
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@kuyarahawk Than why do the Chechens throw almost all the Russians out of their homes which they have either bought or recieved through a will, tell me that.
Wilco4009 1 year ago
@Wilco4009
First of all, before the first war, things were relatively okay for Russians in Ichkeria. The president's wife, after all, was Russian. The Russians however, had been rich at our expense, so when we had our revolution, naturally skill took precedence of ethnicity, and Russians lost their jobs to Chechens. So many moved for that reason before the war. Then, in the war, they sided with Russia, and Dudayev was killed.
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@Wilco4009
And after the war, yes, ethnic Russians were targeted, mainly because they had taken up arms against people they lived amongst, a clear breach of the laws of hospitality (remember its our land). Personally, I would prefer to see them become Chechens by persuasion, after all they are victims of the bombs too. However, there was nothing but chaos, and some Chechens thought otherwise, and when you have a mob of angry people, well, things happen.
kuyarahawk 1 year ago
@Wilco4009
The Russians didn't save us from being annihiliated, after the war, they tried to annihiliate us.
And we should be thankful, riiiiiight.
Just stop. You're getting more and more ridiculous. I'm about done with you,really... you know nothing, and you keep pretending that you do...
kuyarahawk 1 year ago