@tallliza The best thing Satan can do is try to make people believe he doesn't exist. I've experienced Satan's demons first hand and he is very real and it is nothing to screw with. Believe whatever you want but evil is out there so there must be a source for it and that source is satan. Everything the Bible says is true how do I know? When being attacked by demons the only thing you can do to have power over it is to call out to Jesus Christ, nothing else will help you in that situation.
@imapisces23 Actually you follow the example that Jesus set for us and you speak the Word back at him. "It is written" sets the standard for how we are to utilize the SWORD OF THE SPIRIT; the(spoken) Word of God. That is why in Revelation, Jesus rides in with a sharp two-edged sword coming from His mouth.
As the way of all things, what effect do you suppose its question, knowledge, understanding and application by billions of persons will have on the state of global economics, science, the humanities, education, government and business?
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The underlying law of nature is the most important subject any person can investigate and learn about, can proceed to understand, and can then come to personally apply in life.
People are forgetting the purpose of our lives on earth. Character building doing Gods commision! God loved us first that he put us here, he creaed us. We are in the image of God but on earth Satan is our ruler, he controls the earth (remeber he offered it to Jesus). Unless we accept Christ as our saviour we shall surely perish. Just because its Gods will and that he loves us, then Christ sacrificed for the sin we were born into; all we are asked is to choose between God and Satan.
God CANNOT force a human being to truly love Him, because true love is sincere and volitional.
The question itself is not valid because it has a built in contradiction. There is NO CONTRADICTION in the character of God, so asking if God can contradict himself is a mute point. Because then it follows that God can be both good and evil at the same time. Same goes with making a rock to bigg to lift or creating a one ended stick....invalid and not worth any more time.....
@francheskalola I am well aware that God id not evil. Someone had posted one of the self defeating questions similar to "If God can do anything, could He create a rock too heavy for Him to lift?" I addressed that such a question has a built in contradiction, and is not valid because God cannot contradict Himself. IF HE COULD that mans He could be both good and evil at the same time. But God is ONLY GOOD.
@francheskalola -- the difference is that evil doesn't affect him. So why does he pun ish evil doers, if it doesn`t affect him. God created evil. The bible says so.
@strengthonor Tell me how did you get your knowledge about god. Does he speak to you ? Do you know that one of the most prominent theologians ever claimed that god is ... unknowable... ? Yet you claim to know. Give me some details about your god !!!
@tallliza To answer your question: What I know of God comes the same way I know about people in my life. Spending time with them and what they reveal about themselves. God is ABSOLUTELY loving, caring and compassionate...also gracious, merciful and just. What is distinct about God and His many attributes, He does not revolve between them like we do. He is every one of these attributes all the time FOR ALL TIME. Knowing God fully is truly unknowable in this lifetime.
@strengthonor You seem to know god, like the inside of your pocket . Congrats. Now tell me why this gracious, loving, caring, compassionate god, who has the elements under his control, allowed the cruel death of 100.000 innocent children in Haiti ?
@talllizaThe same reason why ANYTHING is allowed to happen or not happen. This is a fallen world. The rain falls on the just and unjust alike. You didn't ask me about a single death here or there, but you ask about a multitude. Does it only matter to YOU when multitudes die? Were you not thankful for a half a second that you were not included among the dead. If so, to whom were you thankful. If you are an atheist, you have no grounds to even ask the question why, nevermind want an answer.
@strengthonor Thus, You seem to admit that god does not interfere in earhtly affairs. You are beating around the bush to avoid the question WHY THE SUFFERING OF THE INNOCENT, if there is a just, loving, caring, compassionate, almighty, god ? Because you know damn well. YOU have no answer.
@tallliza God is absolutely involved. To the best of my understanding, even if by some miracle, all those were miraculously saved, most would quickly dismiss it as an fluke of nature and be content with that. Anything but God. After all, if God was able to save these people here, why not those people over there too? You have no grounds to ask a moral question as an atheist, because morality does not exist beyond objective opinion in atheism. What is morality based on?
@strengthonor You still feel safe behind your empty rhetoric. Tell me how you can reconcile a loving, caring, just, god, who is in control of the elments, with the horrible death of 100.000 INNOCENT children.
@tallliza You still have yet to answer why you even care. Why did God allow them to die? Why did He allow you to live? You are positing a moral question, when in reality as an atheist, morality does not exist beyond personal opinion. So you don't like that all these "innocent" children die. Explain to me how and why that is not right beyond your personal subjective opinion. You can't without affirming that God exists. How do you define innocent?
@strengthonor Again your empty rhetoric.. Beating around the bush, Because you know damn well , that your bible nor your faith have any answer to... the suffering of the innocent... What do you know about me ? Why your BASELESS assumtpions ? Why silly statements about atheism,which you seem to know nothing about ?
If You feel it is right that 100.000 innocent children die. than I can only say one thing. YOUR religion is screwing your sense of justice and decency. CONTINUED..
@tallliza You still speak of innocent in subjective terms because you cannot give me a straight answer. HOW DO YOU DEFINE INNOCENT? HOW DO YOU DEFINE EVIL? Is truth a relative term? If you are an atheist, you have no grounds to care. If you are a muslim, you have no grounds to ask the question because "all is as allah wills it". You cannot ask the question as an eastern mystic because its all Karma in some form or fashion. Did I miss anything?
@strengthonor It doesn`t matter how you define evil or how you define innocence, If you don`t know it, NO definition will be of any help. Who sets the rules in this world ? Are believers setting the rules what questions atheists can or can not ask ? If so, on what authority do you make such a claim ? If am not interested in bullshit theology or if innocence is subjective or objective. that is just empty rhetoric to tiptoe around the elementary question. WHY THE SUFFERING OF THE INNOCENT.
@tallliza It does matter how you define evil and good. If you agree with God's standard, then you have an anchor point and rational foundation for morality. If you don't then you need explain where morality comes from. Its a logical breakdown of how the individual worldviews themselves do not leave room to ask the question, let alone want an answer. This is a 3 dimensional question and you keep asking for a flat answer. Before this continues, I am curious: Pro Life or pro Choice?
@strengthonor If you agree with God's standard... First, prove there is a deity. Second, prove the standard for good and evil are in gods book . Third, prove that that book comes really from god. Fourth. Prove that YOUR interpretation is the ONLY right one. Then we can talk. Morality my friend, is easily explained. Just imagine a clan, tribe, without ANY morality. How long is it going to survive ? Morality is born out of the necessity to survive.
@tallliza Let me rephrase...The standard of morality outlined in the Bible leaves little room for interpretation. Right is right, wrong is wrong. Either one or the other. Its what you call moral absolutes. Moral absolutes cannot exist rationally if God does not exist. Objective morality (morals based on an external point of reference, not determined by cultures or opinions) can only exist if God exist. Objective morals DO exist. Therefore God exists. Pro life or pro choice?
@strengthonor My friend, the bible, ( the Old-Testament )is a manual for immorality and disregard of human life, Only a brainwashed individual can find morality in the O.T. by twisting the meaning of the texts until they fit in their belief-system. Would you like to know, how to sell you sister into slavery? The bible will tell you. You want to know how you can beat your slave to death, with impunity, ? The bible will tell you. There is more morality in Harry Potter as in the O.T.
@strengthonor CONTINUED...Moral absolutes cannot exist rationally if God does not exist;;; What silly theological bullshit. The Buddhist have no god. Those 50 individuals in Japan, who keep fighting to save the crippled reactors are said to be Boudhists. THESE men are beacons of morality. They will most probably not survive. YET they go on, to save their countryman. Where did they get their sense of morality ? From the bible ? From god ? You can stuff your subjective or objective morality!!
@tallliza I never said a non-believer could not live a moral life. Their morality has no rational basis outside of God. Its mere opinion. You bring up things that you don't like, now explain why its more than just something you don't like. I agree things are right or wrong. Now tell me what you base this off of. Please stop trying to fence with me and answer my question. Its a simpler question: pro life or pro choice?
@strengthonor Their morality has no rational basis outside of God... What nonsense !! Evidence please !! Your question shows your level of education and/or brainwashing, .... pro life or pro choice?... What a silly question. NOTHING in this world is black and white.
@tallliza One day, I hope you discover that some things are as simple as black and white. Life and death, Liberal and conservative, chaos and harmony, corruption and purity. One day you will learn that a single, simple choice makes all of the difference. God bless you.
No such thing as free will...we love God because He first loved us...it is impossible for sinful man to naturally love Him which is why He sent His Spirit to live with and in us so that we may love Him...you may say that is forcing people to love Him but if all love is from and of God than He must do it this way...anyway, you are 'forced' to do whatever you do by your sinful desires so I'd rather be forced to do good than evil...
it is through mans wrong choices that evil prevails in the world evil is a human construct and relies heavily upon human freewill to gain a foothold in the world. It certainly did not originate with GOD there is no darkness in GOD whatsoever, evil came into this world because man chose it over goodness.
Those reasonings make no sence. Just like evolution. People can create any kind of reason they want to disprove something, but in the end they find out that their reason was wrong. Evolution not only strikes God down as being the creator, but it strikes us down as being being created in the image of God. You are practicly implying the same thing about the Bible by saying the that Bible and man are both sinful and can't be trusted. Who can YOU truely trust in your life?
This appears to me as yet another Christian false dichotomy. I'd take it a little more seriously if it was a proper lecture rather than an advert to throw more money at the church. What IS it with God and money?!
Yes, I do follow, but that is an inaccurate way of compairing the Bible with man. Man was born into sin, God was not. God used man to write his words so we could learn how to break that sin and follow him so that when we die we can have ever lasting life.
Of corce nothing is ever 100% certain because you might have made a mistake.
However, the only way to show any idea to be reliable at least, is to attempt to test it..
Most people assume truth to be what is given to them by authority, few realise the authority of all men is built on other men and can be horribly misguided, that's the weakness of people having limited tools and education.
No, truth isn't reliant on interpretation, that is the difference between truth and perception.
@MaxSafeheaD Yeah i agree with you completely there, most people take what is told to them by authority figures as truth even when it has no logical, reliable evidence to back it up. And the bible is the most obvious indication of people's willingness to follow in blind faith. It's exactly how you put it ,the authority of all men is built on other men and can be horribly misguided. The bible is open to massive interpretation, and therein lies to danger of it.
@DWMC93 The bible is open to massive interpretation, and therein lies to danger of it. ..... That is one of the reasons, why the bible can never be the word of god. What god with an ounce of gray matter, would leave the interpretation of his word ( essential to reach eternal salvation) to his subjects. That is similar to the judge who leaves the interpretation of the penal code to the accused.
WTF is flip floppy about that? True love is unconditional. All God would have to do is create morons who would love him no matter what he did - and it looks like he succeeded.
evil comes from satan who wanted to be "like the most high."
imapisces23 1 year ago
@imapisces23 There is no satan. Satan is childish nonsense.
tallliza 1 year ago
@tallliza The best thing Satan can do is try to make people believe he doesn't exist. I've experienced Satan's demons first hand and he is very real and it is nothing to screw with. Believe whatever you want but evil is out there so there must be a source for it and that source is satan. Everything the Bible says is true how do I know? When being attacked by demons the only thing you can do to have power over it is to call out to Jesus Christ, nothing else will help you in that situation.
imapisces23 1 year ago
@imapisces23 Actually you follow the example that Jesus set for us and you speak the Word back at him. "It is written" sets the standard for how we are to utilize the SWORD OF THE SPIRIT; the(spoken) Word of God. That is why in Revelation, Jesus rides in with a sharp two-edged sword coming from His mouth.
strengthonor 1 year ago
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DreamsofMajesty 1 year ago
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THE MOST FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION OF ALL:
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What is the underlying law of nature.
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As the way of all things, what effect do you suppose its question, knowledge, understanding and application by billions of persons will have on the state of global economics, science, the humanities, education, government and business?
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The underlying law of nature is the most important subject any person can investigate and learn about, can proceed to understand, and can then come to personally apply in life.
TedDGPoulos 1 year ago
Evil is the absence of Good.
hawklanzs 2 years ago
People are forgetting the purpose of our lives on earth. Character building doing Gods commision! God loved us first that he put us here, he creaed us. We are in the image of God but on earth Satan is our ruler, he controls the earth (remeber he offered it to Jesus). Unless we accept Christ as our saviour we shall surely perish. Just because its Gods will and that he loves us, then Christ sacrificed for the sin we were born into; all we are asked is to choose between God and Satan.
Crumper00 2 years ago
FLAWED THEOLOGY!
God CANNOT force a human being to truly love Him, because true love is sincere and volitional.
The question itself is not valid because it has a built in contradiction. There is NO CONTRADICTION in the character of God, so asking if God can contradict himself is a mute point. Because then it follows that God can be both good and evil at the same time. Same goes with making a rock to bigg to lift or creating a one ended stick....invalid and not worth any more time.....
strengthonor 2 years ago
@strengthonor God is not evil but he knows how evil works and feels, the difference is that evil doesn't affect him.
francheskalola 1 year ago
@francheskalola I am well aware that God id not evil. Someone had posted one of the self defeating questions similar to "If God can do anything, could He create a rock too heavy for Him to lift?" I addressed that such a question has a built in contradiction, and is not valid because God cannot contradict Himself. IF HE COULD that mans He could be both good and evil at the same time. But God is ONLY GOOD.
strengthonor 1 year ago
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@francheskalola -- the difference is that evil doesn't affect him. So why does he pun ish evil doers, if it doesn`t affect him. God created evil. The bible says so.
tallliza 1 year ago
@strengthonor What sterile silly comment. What do you know about god ? NOTHING.
tallliza 1 year ago
@tallliza I know nothing about God you say.....Care to explain your assertion?
strengthonor 1 year ago
@strengthonor Tell me how did you get your knowledge about god. Does he speak to you ? Do you know that one of the most prominent theologians ever claimed that god is ... unknowable... ? Yet you claim to know. Give me some details about your god !!!
Loving,?? caring??, almighty??, compassionate ????
tallliza 1 year ago
@tallliza To answer your question: What I know of God comes the same way I know about people in my life. Spending time with them and what they reveal about themselves. God is ABSOLUTELY loving, caring and compassionate...also gracious, merciful and just. What is distinct about God and His many attributes, He does not revolve between them like we do. He is every one of these attributes all the time FOR ALL TIME. Knowing God fully is truly unknowable in this lifetime.
strengthonor 1 year ago
@strengthonor You seem to know god, like the inside of your pocket . Congrats. Now tell me why this gracious, loving, caring, compassionate god, who has the elements under his control, allowed the cruel death of 100.000 innocent children in Haiti ?
tallliza 1 year ago
@talllizaThe same reason why ANYTHING is allowed to happen or not happen. This is a fallen world. The rain falls on the just and unjust alike. You didn't ask me about a single death here or there, but you ask about a multitude. Does it only matter to YOU when multitudes die? Were you not thankful for a half a second that you were not included among the dead. If so, to whom were you thankful. If you are an atheist, you have no grounds to even ask the question why, nevermind want an answer.
strengthonor 1 year ago
@strengthonor Thus, You seem to admit that god does not interfere in earhtly affairs. You are beating around the bush to avoid the question WHY THE SUFFERING OF THE INNOCENT, if there is a just, loving, caring, compassionate, almighty, god ? Because you know damn well. YOU have no answer.
tallliza 1 year ago
@tallliza God is absolutely involved. To the best of my understanding, even if by some miracle, all those were miraculously saved, most would quickly dismiss it as an fluke of nature and be content with that. Anything but God. After all, if God was able to save these people here, why not those people over there too? You have no grounds to ask a moral question as an atheist, because morality does not exist beyond objective opinion in atheism. What is morality based on?
strengthonor 1 year ago
@strengthonor You still feel safe behind your empty rhetoric. Tell me how you can reconcile a loving, caring, just, god, who is in control of the elments, with the horrible death of 100.000 INNOCENT children.
tallliza 1 year ago
@tallliza You still have yet to answer why you even care. Why did God allow them to die? Why did He allow you to live? You are positing a moral question, when in reality as an atheist, morality does not exist beyond personal opinion. So you don't like that all these "innocent" children die. Explain to me how and why that is not right beyond your personal subjective opinion. You can't without affirming that God exists. How do you define innocent?
strengthonor 11 months ago
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tallliza 11 months ago
@strengthonor CONTINUED... If yoiu need a definition of innocence, you never looked into th eyes of a child.
tallliza 11 months ago
@strengthonor Again your empty rhetoric.. Beating around the bush, Because you know damn well , that your bible nor your faith have any answer to... the suffering of the innocent... What do you know about me ? Why your BASELESS assumtpions ? Why silly statements about atheism,which you seem to know nothing about ?
If You feel it is right that 100.000 innocent children die. than I can only say one thing. YOUR religion is screwing your sense of justice and decency. CONTINUED..
tallliza 11 months ago
@tallliza You still speak of innocent in subjective terms because you cannot give me a straight answer. HOW DO YOU DEFINE INNOCENT? HOW DO YOU DEFINE EVIL? Is truth a relative term? If you are an atheist, you have no grounds to care. If you are a muslim, you have no grounds to ask the question because "all is as allah wills it". You cannot ask the question as an eastern mystic because its all Karma in some form or fashion. Did I miss anything?
strengthonor 11 months ago
@strengthonor It doesn`t matter how you define evil or how you define innocence, If you don`t know it, NO definition will be of any help. Who sets the rules in this world ? Are believers setting the rules what questions atheists can or can not ask ? If so, on what authority do you make such a claim ? If am not interested in bullshit theology or if innocence is subjective or objective. that is just empty rhetoric to tiptoe around the elementary question. WHY THE SUFFERING OF THE INNOCENT.
tallliza 11 months ago
@tallliza It does matter how you define evil and good. If you agree with God's standard, then you have an anchor point and rational foundation for morality. If you don't then you need explain where morality comes from. Its a logical breakdown of how the individual worldviews themselves do not leave room to ask the question, let alone want an answer. This is a 3 dimensional question and you keep asking for a flat answer. Before this continues, I am curious: Pro Life or pro Choice?
strengthonor 11 months ago
@strengthonor If you agree with God's standard... First, prove there is a deity. Second, prove the standard for good and evil are in gods book . Third, prove that that book comes really from god. Fourth. Prove that YOUR interpretation is the ONLY right one. Then we can talk. Morality my friend, is easily explained. Just imagine a clan, tribe, without ANY morality. How long is it going to survive ? Morality is born out of the necessity to survive.
tallliza 11 months ago
@tallliza Let me rephrase...The standard of morality outlined in the Bible leaves little room for interpretation. Right is right, wrong is wrong. Either one or the other. Its what you call moral absolutes. Moral absolutes cannot exist rationally if God does not exist. Objective morality (morals based on an external point of reference, not determined by cultures or opinions) can only exist if God exist. Objective morals DO exist. Therefore God exists. Pro life or pro choice?
strengthonor 11 months ago
@strengthonor My friend, the bible, ( the Old-Testament )is a manual for immorality and disregard of human life, Only a brainwashed individual can find morality in the O.T. by twisting the meaning of the texts until they fit in their belief-system. Would you like to know, how to sell you sister into slavery? The bible will tell you. You want to know how you can beat your slave to death, with impunity, ? The bible will tell you. There is more morality in Harry Potter as in the O.T.
tallliza 11 months ago
@strengthonor CONTINUED...Moral absolutes cannot exist rationally if God does not exist;;; What silly theological bullshit. The Buddhist have no god. Those 50 individuals in Japan, who keep fighting to save the crippled reactors are said to be Boudhists. THESE men are beacons of morality. They will most probably not survive. YET they go on, to save their countryman. Where did they get their sense of morality ? From the bible ? From god ? You can stuff your subjective or objective morality!!
tallliza 11 months ago
@tallliza I never said a non-believer could not live a moral life. Their morality has no rational basis outside of God. Its mere opinion. You bring up things that you don't like, now explain why its more than just something you don't like. I agree things are right or wrong. Now tell me what you base this off of. Please stop trying to fence with me and answer my question. Its a simpler question: pro life or pro choice?
strengthonor 11 months ago
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@strengthonor Their morality has no rational basis outside of God... What nonsense !! Evidence please !! Your question shows your level of education and/or brainwashing, .... pro life or pro choice?... What a silly question. NOTHING in this world is black and white.
tallliza 11 months ago
@tallliza One day, I hope you discover that some things are as simple as black and white. Life and death, Liberal and conservative, chaos and harmony, corruption and purity. One day you will learn that a single, simple choice makes all of the difference. God bless you.
StickGuitarMan 9 months ago
@StickGuitarMan One day I hope you will experience the power of your brain. God bless
tallliza 9 months ago
No such thing as free will...we love God because He first loved us...it is impossible for sinful man to naturally love Him which is why He sent His Spirit to live with and in us so that we may love Him...you may say that is forcing people to love Him but if all love is from and of God than He must do it this way...anyway, you are 'forced' to do whatever you do by your sinful desires so I'd rather be forced to do good than evil...
Mooseskinner98 2 years ago
it is through mans wrong choices that evil prevails in the world evil is a human construct and relies heavily upon human freewill to gain a foothold in the world. It certainly did not originate with GOD there is no darkness in GOD whatsoever, evil came into this world because man chose it over goodness.
doctorw2 3 years ago
Those reasonings make no sence. Just like evolution. People can create any kind of reason they want to disprove something, but in the end they find out that their reason was wrong. Evolution not only strikes God down as being the creator, but it strikes us down as being being created in the image of God. You are practicly implying the same thing about the Bible by saying the that Bible and man are both sinful and can't be trusted. Who can YOU truely trust in your life?
SonicStorm12 3 years ago
Whats the deal with the line about Modern Psychology anyway? I don't remember anything like that nonsense in my psychology class...
johnrcoben 3 years ago 2
A talking snake, that's where! Its all clear now!
johnrcoben 3 years ago
so ... who gave the snake knowledge of good and evil?
MaxSafeheaD 3 years ago
My church did this lesson last Sunday and it's really good. This program is one of the best out there.
SonicStorm12 4 years ago
This appears to me as yet another Christian false dichotomy. I'd take it a little more seriously if it was a proper lecture rather than an advert to throw more money at the church. What IS it with God and money?!
MaxSafeheaD 3 years ago
That's like asking what is it with people not understanding the word of God and why people want to deny the fact that He Himself created the world.
SonicStorm12 3 years ago
I understand the words of the bible ... I just don't understand how it could have been written by anyone other than bronze age men:
talking snakes, dragons, magic, astrology, slavery, blood sacrifice, violence and jealousy, deception and fable.
MaxSafeheaD 3 years ago
It was written by God through man.
SonicStorm12 3 years ago
and you know this ... how exactly?
MaxSafeheaD 3 years ago
By reading the Bible and trusting in God.
SonicStorm12 3 years ago
That, is a perfect example of circular reasoning.
(Do you understand what I'm saying here?)
MaxSafeheaD 3 years ago
Depends on what you mean by that... >.>
SonicStorm12 3 years ago
hmm ... do you understand the principle of circular logic?
MaxSafeheaD 3 years ago
I've heard it a few times, but I've never heard what it means, so no.
Sorry if I posted that twice.
SonicStorm12 3 years ago
Did I reply to you about circular reasoning?
If not it's quite a simple concept. Basically it's a flaw in an argument because each point relies on the other for credibility. For example:
1. Man "A" says man "B" is telling the truth. 2. Man "B" says man "A" is telling the truth.
We don't know anything because they both might be wrong.
Similarly:
1. The bible is true because God wrote it.
2. God is true because it's in the bible.
Do you follow?
MaxSafeheaD 3 years ago
Yes, I do follow, but that is an inaccurate way of compairing the Bible with man. Man was born into sin, God was not. God used man to write his words so we could learn how to break that sin and follow him so that when we die we can have ever lasting life.
SonicStorm12 3 years ago
I'm not comparing go to man, it's logical reasoning.
Your conclusion god exists relies on the authority of the bible. However, the authority of the bible relies on the existence of the Christian god.
Is this making any sense yet?
Here's another example:
I close my door when I drive.
My door is closed, therefore I'm driving.
(hint: what if someone else closed the door?)
MaxSafeheaD 3 years ago
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DWMC93 1 year ago
@DWMC93
people often confuse what feels good with what is true.
MaxSafeheaD 1 year ago
@MaxSafeheaD Then what is true? isnt truth open to interpretation? what one person believes to be true others might not. So what do you mean?
DWMC93 1 year ago
@DWMC93
Of corce nothing is ever 100% certain because you might have made a mistake.
However, the only way to show any idea to be reliable at least, is to attempt to test it..
Most people assume truth to be what is given to them by authority, few realise the authority of all men is built on other men and can be horribly misguided, that's the weakness of people having limited tools and education.
No, truth isn't reliant on interpretation, that is the difference between truth and perception.
MaxSafeheaD 1 year ago
@MaxSafeheaD Yeah i agree with you completely there, most people take what is told to them by authority figures as truth even when it has no logical, reliable evidence to back it up. And the bible is the most obvious indication of people's willingness to follow in blind faith. It's exactly how you put it ,the authority of all men is built on other men and can be horribly misguided. The bible is open to massive interpretation, and therein lies to danger of it.
DWMC93 1 year ago
@DWMC93 The bible is open to massive interpretation, and therein lies to danger of it. ..... That is one of the reasons, why the bible can never be the word of god. What god with an ounce of gray matter, would leave the interpretation of his word ( essential to reach eternal salvation) to his subjects. That is similar to the judge who leaves the interpretation of the penal code to the accused.
tallliza 1 year ago
Without free will is true love possible?
wolf4lifepsl 3 years ago
I don't know.
MaxSafeheaD 3 years ago
Can you force someone to love you?
wolf4lifepsl 3 years ago
I'm not god so I don't know.
If I was god then yes.
MaxSafeheaD 3 years ago
LOL Your throwing logic out the window.
wolf4lifepsl 3 years ago
No I'm not.
I don't know if it's possible to make someone love.
God, on the other hand, can do anything ... apparently.
MaxSafeheaD 3 years ago
You don't understand what I'm asking.
Yes it is possible for God to force or
make a human being love him.
But is that 'true' love?
What is true love?
Again,without free will is true love possible?
yes or no question. Mr.Science and Philosophy
wolf4lifepsl 3 years ago
No need for sarcasm.
"But is that 'true' love?"
"What is true love?
"Again,without free will is true love possible?"
*Sigh* God, can do anything.
Don't get moody at me just because this God idea doesn't make any sense - it's not my idea!
MaxSafeheaD 3 years ago
"Don't get moody at me just because this God idea doesn't make any sense - it's not my idea!"
LMAO Do you guys see how he flip flopped his
way out of the question?
wolf4lifepsl 3 years ago
Your question:
"it is possible for God to force or
make a human being 'truly' love him?"
My answer:
yes.
WTF is flip floppy about that? True love is unconditional. All God would have to do is create morons who would love him no matter what he did - and it looks like he succeeded.
MaxSafeheaD 3 years ago
@wolf4lifepsl God gave us a choice free will.
SingleBulletPictures 2 years ago
@SingleBulletPictures
prove it.
MaxSafeheaD 1 year ago