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  • Great! Well done!!

  • sometimes i read or watch stories in a book or movies, a stories that involve the death of the characters, and then i think how nice would be to believe that is a place to go after death but we don't know what is going to happen that is why religion is sold like hot cakes, when you know this is the only life you will ever have that is when every second is unique, every relation ship is unique and you don't waist time to be angry, live happy this is your only shoot, live long and prosper

  • Nice job.

  • Gods are man made constructs, when we die, we shall never be here again, better to savour every second of awareness that is afforded to you, if people lived there lives this way, would not the world be a better place. Peace and long life to you all brothers and sisters.

  • the best wishes for the Hitch on his cancer journey, lets hope he gets better, do not pray ask the doctors to cure one of the greatest journalists... GO HITCH

  • >>>...Are you saying Jesus wasn't punished for the sins of man?...

    Yes, that is what I'm saying.

    >>>Or are you denying the sacrifice of Jesus was an act of scapegoating?

    Right, not according to the scriptures. In the scriptures, he was dying to his own sin:

    Rom 6:10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

    "Christian doctrine" is utter foolishness. 3 gods in 1 being the most stooopid. God is a man, his father and a ghost? Gimme a break!

  • The meaning of religious texts:

    That people have to rely on people to interpret a book written by people about other people who say that people told them that someone once claimed they met, or were, a deity... and that the personal interpretation that what they saw was a deity is infallible, but only if you have "faith in (insert favorite deity's name here)"

  • This is all good stuff, but I have to clarify:

    * there actually *are* aholes that believe that murder and theft, etc, are *pleezing* to god... they are called "Muslims." Big Mo (and I spit when I say that name) taught that one *must* beat one's wife, pillage passing caravans, murder Jews and enslave unbelievers..., so in that regard, some Sinai just might do them some good!

    * and neither the OT nor the NT, properly understood, has a goat absolving anyone of genuine guilt.

  • @WoundedEgo yes, the NT does have a scapegoat, its called jesus

  • @blazereef First of all, Jesus isn't a goat. Secondly, in the Jewish scriptures, it is the living goat that carries off the sins of the people, not the dead goat.

    Hitchins' point is that in the religions, an animal removes guilt, but that isn't what the scriptures say at all.

  • @WoundedEgo I find it hard to believe that you could think your reply is thoughtful at all. Of course the goat was alive when it was supposed to carry off the sins of the tribe -- just as scapegoats are alive when they are blamed for the sins of others. The point is that the OT does subscribe to the practice of punishing a goat to rid them of sin, that the NT substitutes Jesus for the goat, and that scapegoating is considered immoral by modern standards.

  • @Blackmark52

    The scape goat **was not punished**. It was released, to live as a free animal...

    Leviticus 16:8,10 And Aaron shall cast lots upon the two goats; one lot for the LORD, and the other lot for the scapegoat....But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an atonement with him, and to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness.

  • @WoundedEgo To release a goat into the wild is tantamount to a death sentence, but even if you don't want to accept that, can you really say heaping the sins of the tribe upon it is not a punishment? Is not the bearer of sins not meant to be punished? Do you think this practice was to benefit the goat in any way whatsoever? Was not Jesus punished?

    The point still stands that scapegoating, the foundation of Christian redemption, is a primitive and immoral practice.

  • @Blackmark52

    NO! The ancient "foundation" did not involve "punishment." That is the point. Consider **your** barbaric view in the light of "To the Hebrews," for example. Where is the punishment?

  • @WoundedEgo Are you saying Jesus wasn't punished for the sins of man? Or are you denying the sacrifice of Jesus was an act of scapegoating? The first is christian doctrine, the second is true by definition.

    I don't understand your use of quotes. Are you suggesting the ancient Hebrews may think modern moral sensibilities are barbaric? They probably would, that's why they shouldn't be looked to for moral guidance.

    As for "where is the punishment?" just answer the questions in my last post.

  • @Blackmark52 Jesus did not die for the sins of man. The Christian view of this sacrifice for all is an abjection of responsibility by creating "Jesus" as a scapegoat.

  • " i just made alot of money out of a God bashing book" - Classic

  • take that religion

  • Excellent.

  • so badass...

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