Immortal Technique Migration, Indigenous & Immigration Forum

[SuperJesusbravo]

clap clap clap clap clap clasp clap....enough said

[1234NAna12]

This nigga is real he tells it how it is

[yoitsdaman]

Tech... Your a good man my dude

[xCleverlyx]

Is it me, or has immortal technique have become more humble? he use to be fucking crazy and i loved that but now hes mah humble

[faizel12]

@xCleverlyx hey man once u get older u know better well.. the majority should

[bananaswag45]

3 people are racist conservatives

[tee719]

Thank You' Tech. Thank You.

[donramonavila]

CRAZY SPEECH...WOW  GOOD SHIT...

[p818matt]

Immortal Technique was awesome yesterday!

[TheBossMalaka]

The indegenous Mayans , Incas , and Aztecs all owned slaves so this begs the question If slavery was legal , How many Illegal Aliens would own slaves ?

This guy makes sense about 50 % of the time the other 50 is just conjecture.

So you pick the white mans strawberries , what the fuck do you want a medal? Who picks his strawberries?

[LPdANDYz]

@TheBossMalaka Slaves are criminals, prisoners of war, that would be treated fairly and can buy their freedom..or buy a slave of their own...or the master can simply let u go. Just like a modern day maid/butler.

[TheFATASSline669]

@TheBossMalaka uhh your from europe

goback you dont belong here

go back pillager pilgrim albino

[TheBossMalaka]

@TheFATASSline669 Ummm I dont think so , My ancestors conquered your primitive ancestors so we own the land now. This land has been owned by Europeans for the last 500 years as will always the dominant power in any country. We kicked your naked , bone in the nose ,sling shot shooting monkies asses so now we make the rules and we own the land. We arent going anywere. Those are the facts....

[TheFATASSline669]

@TheBossMalaka uhh sorry but your still an albino pilgrim buddy

and you STILL dont belong here

plus if your so superior how come you are fearfull of a bunch of field workers taking over this land you stole all powerfull pink dick??

[BlacKRevaN1]

@TheBossMalaka so wat ur sayin is that racist rich white european people makes tha rules nd runs this country??

[MrKeefuh]

"How many right-wing 'Christians' have named their kid Jesus?"

[MrKeefuh]

where was this at?

[TheBossMalaka]

What makes a Peruvian indigenous to North America?

[Cuauhtlat0atzin]

@TheBossMalaka They're indegenous to the Cemanahuac which is the whole western hemisphere.

[TheBossMalaka]

@Cuauhtlat0atzin Isnt Peru in the Southern hemisphere?

If what you are saying is accurate then " indegenous " is a term used very broadly and kind of defeats the nature of being indegenous...

[Cuauhtlat0atzin]

@TheBossMalaka Well it depends on how you like to see it…if you google the western hemisphere, South America is included but if you also google the southern hemisphere, its also integrated, so it's based on the being and how it likes to see things.

[TheBossMalaka]

@Cuauhtlat0atzin I get it , but to make these kind of claims of being indegenous and saying europeans are illegal etc etc etc then you have to be a lot more accurate than just basing it on the being how it likes to see things otherwise you ( not you personaly) sound like these ignorant Nazi racists. If you are living North of Mexico then you are enjoying the fruits and luxaries of the White Euopeans atrocities and as the so called illegals are...

[Cuauhtlat0atzin]

@TheBossMalaka Well to give you a real fact, the white europeans migrated here uninvited since 1492, so why not call them illegals too? They did the samething that the so called illegals are doing now(migrating), so why not?...Ok to make a correction we are all enjoying the fruits and luxaries of every race that came to this part of the world not just only the white europeans giving the fact that asians, africans, and other races made this country too, this is a country of immigrants.

[TheBossMalaka]

@Cuauhtlat0atzin for something to be illegal there has to be a law against it and the natives welcomed the europeans with open arms so thats why it wasnt an illegal migration. In fact they taught the Europeans how to grow the native crops and to live off the land. I stand corrected , we are enjoying the fruits of all immirgrants labor Legal and Illegal but in this day and age how much more can America handle before there has to be a limit imposed?

[Cuauhtlat0atzin]

@TheBossMalaka Eh you talk to much like a mother fucken Parrot and debating ain't going to help things since it isn't going to change things so I rather DO something that in the future that IS going to help my people and open there eyes and get 'em out this moder day slavery shit. L8tz

[TheBossMalaka]

@Cuauhtlat0atzin I didnt think you would have any answers , and if you dont have any answers you dont have any solutions hence its unlikely you are actually doing jack shit for your people because crying and complaing like a little bitch doesnt constitute an action. I would wish you luck but you are going to need a hell of a lot more than luck.

[Cuauhtlat0atzin]

@TheBossMalak Listen you dolt being I am doing something and that's informing my community how gangs and shit like that are just keeping us dumb and blind killing each other. So if you don't know shit about me then it's best to not open your fucken mouth. Thank You, and by the way get a fucken life looser all you fucken do is put negative comments on every lil shit you don't like!

[TheBossMalaka]

@Cuauhtlat0atzin Why would I put anything positive about something I dont like? Wow sounds like you are big hero to your community. You teach them how gangs keep you dumb but you talk just like a gang banger. Find some intelegent answers and then come back and speak to me little boy because you are no where near my level of intelect.

[Cuauhtlat0atzin]

@TheBossMalak Continue verbalizing your rubish seeing as that's all what you do in youtube. For me I'm done having this conversation with you. Bye!

[TheBossMalaka]

@Cuauhtlat0atzin Thats typical of a coward who runs out of answers , but then again you have made painfully obvious that intelligence is not really your strong suit.

[LPdANDYz]

@TheBossMalaka lol Theres lots we r not taught in school. After they learned how 2 live or enjoy the luxaries of the new world that been occupied. Then they just invite everyone for their own gain and break treaties..soon after 70-100 million dead till now. Thats what its about..mexica-movement. org check out the native accomplishments here..your favorite food is one.

[LPdANDYz]

@Cuauhtlat0atzin YUUUUP TELL EM LOL

[OfficialLyrix]

I would be the first one shaking I.T hand lol

[ThaKidFrankiee]

Where's the full version of this?

[Jovany0213]

Like if your with me One Day Blacks Nd Lations Should all get together beat the shit outta rasict people lol hahahaha espeaclly mexican are carteles lol

[sullenboy1o3o]

@shadowgeyser so what would you say is the dominant ideology in the united states?

It defiantly isn't Keynes. and second, yea school preach the free market religiously. Almost as if its the bible. Thats just how it is. There may be dissenters, but the mainstream is for free markets. Thats pretty blunt in society no?

[chrispollock]

@sullenboy1o3o it's good that the majority are for free markets in which individuals can freely trade with other individuals for the pursuit of their respective self interests

[sullenboy1o3o]

@chrispollock There are also weaknesses to the free market. People can vote with their dollar what car they want to drive, but not weather a public transportation system will be put into place.

Secondly a free market system is the most debunked theory in history. Over and over its been proven that 3rd world countries do not develop when a free market is put into place.

[chrispollock]

@sullenboy1o3o actually, in a capitalist republic, it is entirely possible for people to vote for a public transportation system. second, cars are preferable to public transportation in terms of freedom and convenience. third world countries DO acctually develop when foreign investors come in. chile, though the pinochets govt. was oppressive, thrived under a freer market system. chinas middle class has boomed because of the loosening of trade restrictions.

[sullenboy1o3o]

@chrispollock

lol whats a libertarian free marketeer listening to immortal tech?

First, cars and highways are not efficient. Public transportation, if the right technology and what have you.. was added, is way more efficient, cost wise, in terms of traffic, energy and the pollution it emits. Highways and cars are the opposite.

Second, we dont live in a direct democracy were people could implement more public transportation. We ratify the policies of corporate funded politicians.

[sullenboy1o3o]

@chrispollock Third the chile example is almost like your playing a joke on me.

Chile is the perfect example of how a country under Keynesian economics was going booming, until the united states imposed a free market system.

In fact many Korean immigrants went to Argentina at that time because of the booming economy. All of a sudden, the imposed free market messed it up for them.

[chrispollock]

@sullenboy1o3o keynsian policy is a temporary fix but it stops working when you can't bleed the rich anymore. real wealth is not created under keynsian policy, money is just circulated from the rich to the poor through govt. intervention projects, so no, that didn't happen in chile. loosened trade restrictions helped chile enter a period of growth through foreign investment.

[sullenboy1o3o]

@chrispollock If you believe that it is the duty of poor and working people to please the rich, so that the rich could invest their money to create new jobs, which is basically what your saying, then you are for a totalitarian institutions running the world. No?

Also everyone knows chiles economy was booming, they had universal education and healthcare. Thats until they took a huge step back with the us funded coup whos ideology was free markets, nomater how much it hurts the country.

[sullenboy1o3o]

@chrispollock also, you didnt answer my rebuttal on transportation and representive democracy. Both of which is limited because of a free market ideology.

[chrispollock]

@sullenboy1o3o i told you, people can vote for a public transit system as long as it doesn't interfere with individual sovereignty on the market. if the public can steamroll individuals to set up public projects, then everyones liberty becomes forfeit to the whims of the majority. and that means the end of liberty from the majority.

[sullenboy1o3o]

@shadowgeyser Yea its never been done, and it probably wont work if the world became a free market tomorrow. The point is, corporations like the idea of the free market because it makes them richer, while they themselves love corporate welfare.

When it comes to ideas about economics, americans are indoctrinated to think Keynesian is giving all their tax dollars to immigrants, gays etc.. and black mothers driving bmw's.

When it comes to Lazzie faire economics, its synonymous with America.

[sullenboy1o3o]

@shadowgeyser Yea Keynes is no longer around anymore with the dismantiling of the bretton woods system.

Everyone basically tries to justify the free market no matter how many times the theory fails the the real world. Economics is basically an all theory Business school that help corporations get richer by dismantling regulation and any safty net in society.

No body around is indoctrinated with Keynes anymore.

[sullenboy1o3o]

@shadowgeyser Economics is basically praising free market capitalism no? There may be a small number of dissenters, that's not the curriculum in the united states.

[sullenboy1o3o]

@shadowgeyser also, economics is basically business school, except it lives in a world of theories with little practical use except justifying corporate crimes.

[sullenboy1o3o]

@shadowgeyser Hes a anarcho syndicalist. The real anarchism. People whos main goal in life to rid the world of government is like a horse with blinders on.

also, i have no idea why people like to add che's name next to hitler and stalin.

Hitler and stalin did murder people in massive numbers. Che was overthrowing the us backed cuban dictator.

[oioioijellyroll]

where the fuck was i?!?

[sebasebafm]

I think that A LOT of people need to hear this man.

[sullenboy1o3o]

Chomsky+Che Guevara=Immortal Tech

[sicknature]

SOLID!!

[MilanKings80]

MUCH RESPECT FOR THIS GREAT MAN!!

[losangelespacoima818]

This foo is the only rapper that makes me really think about life.

[chubbypekingnese]

@uknowntech The system isn't broken. There are just too many people from south of the US border that want to come in. The system is designed in a way so you don't get to many people from one group at one time. Name one country that daos not have immigration quotas. The US immigration policy is the most lenient. We just can't allow people to come in without being properly vetted.

People do come in illegally and they know it so you shouldn't feel bad for them when theyre sent home when caught.

[JayLatn1]

(2/2) I never said it wasn't illegal, but that doesn't mean its not Justifiable

[keekieMonster]

Some niggas dream of pushing kilos, but i drop tons, with more facts, formulas, and philisofical logic, than a basement full of scientists puffin on chronic

[JayLatn1]

(2/2) do not compare parents feeding their children to a burglar. All I'm saying is, be smart about who you let and don't let in the country. Don't just be ignorant to the fact that they face much discrimination and other obstacles that regular Americans could never understand. And btw that's BS what you said about the whites coming and not killing the natives, they were almost completely segregated, used as slaves, or wiped out because of the settlers.

[chubbypekingnese]

@JayLatn1 it's funny that you speak in absolutes when you need to make a point... I never said that no European ever killed a native of the Americas I just said that not everyone who originally came here raped and murdered. And you can make what ever comparison you want but if you knowingly come into this country without permission you're a criminal and if you work 'under the table' or work with fake documents you're a criminal. People need to take responsibilty for their choices.

[JayLatn1]

@chubbypekingnese let me guess?your the kind of person that says "Liberals hate america", your also the kind of person that condones everything the U.S. does, just because you live here, and your also the kind of person that would own slaves if we were back in those days just because it was "legal" (btw i use legal in a very loose sense, "...ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL...") i just gave you points that you are not attacking at all, you just keep re-stating the same shit, yea this convo is over ;)

[chubbypekingnese]

@JayLatn1 Wrong again.... I think what makes this country great is the fact that there are multiple points of view in the US political system. Noone condones evrything that the US does.And if you knew your history of the US you would know that slavery wasnt something that every American thought was right. So much so, they killed each other for it.

The only reason you want this "convo" to be over is you know that illegal immigration is illegal. Ask the Mexican government how they deal with it.

[JayLatn1]

@chubbypekingnese (1/2)Lol havent you ever been told?"Quit while your ahead"?I know my history, 200 some odd years of slaver/discrimination?even in the north?yea plenty people back in the day must have hated it, thats why they ONLY kept it for that long, and if you must know about MEXICAN history, the country was founded on many of the same principles the US was, and if you again want to believe in the government and their "proven statistics" go ahead, look up the numbers on a Mexican website

[giancarlit0]

My cuzin tech make me so proud!!

[PabloBobadillaLopez]

i see naui lol

[chubbypekingnese]

He says our people...he's from Peru. The constitution was written by illegal immigrants? This guy has a misinformed education. Someone please tell this fool to look up the definition of the word INDIGENOUS.

[julioshawtylean76]

@chubbypekingnese well he knows more than u still take ur hating dislike to some bull shit rapper not him

[chubbypekingnese]

@julioshawtylean76 Just because he spouts the same nonsense you believe in doesn't mean he knows more than me. And what is up with the grammar to this 'sentence'?

[julioshawtylean76]

@chubbypekingnesethe reason their not that many native or indigenous cause they rape natives and killed them. etc.....

 we where made from natives i got no problem with white people some of my closest homeboys are but u got that bull shit did u even hear about what he said. Racist people raised and misinformed i dont know if ur racist but he informs everyone. we do have a connection to this land hope u change or get fucked up in the future 4 being misinformed and listening to fox news

[chubbypekingnese]

@julioshawtylean76 You speak in absolutes when you suggest that all of the indigenous people were either raped or killed by white settlers. Not all people who are from 'Latin' American countries descend from the indigenous people. Just like the white settlers to the U.S. Most of the settlers to the western hemisphere never had relations or killed an indigenous person. As an American, I do have a connection to this land. More so than those who illegally cross the borders from some place else.

[JayLatn1]

@chubbypekingnese he says they are illegal because they almost literally stole this land from the natives, learn to read between the lines

[chubbypekingnese]

@JayLatn1 LEGAL and ILLEGAL are not simply a matter of opinion. Words mean something. And I for one am tired of people using words incorrectly and then telling me to "ead between the lines" because they can't find the right words.

You may think that the conquering of a continent centuries ago was bad for certain people but to now call it illegal just shows a lack of education. Would you write in the history books that Alexander the Greats conquests were illegal?

WORDS HAVE MEANING!!!

[JayLatn1]

@chubbypekingnese i cant find the right words?I don't know how to make it simpler. Like he said slavery was once legal, maybe you thought because you were told to do it or you thought that the people who made the laws actually had any sense when they were making them. Of course words have meaning, but if it wasn't for reading between the lines, half of the bullshit that happens in this country, would not/would be happening.

[chubbypekingnese]

@JayLatn1 I CAN find the words. Every country has the right to police it's borders. If someone choses to break the laws of a nation they are well aware that there are consequences to their actions. I do understand that this is a great nation that has a powerful draw for people to want to come here, but there is a process that they need to follow to be here LEGALLY. Are you a person who blames a guy for getting his car stolen because he drives a nice car? we punish those who break the law.

[JayLatn1]

@chubbypekingnese (1/2)Yeah police our borders, trust me I don't want criminals coming here either, but there is many productive(about 95% of all "illegal" immigrants) that are here for a better life, that do not break laws, that have kids and better this country. Yes it may be illegal, but i don't think you know how long the process for papers (and btw before you can even start your process there's a waiting list which also takes years) and how dangerous the areas they come from are. Please

[JOSEC181]

@chubbypekingnese yeah but "americans" didn't come here LEGALLY either.

[chubbypekingnese]

@JOSEC181 How far back do you want to go? The indians came from Asia.

Your arguement is not really relevant when you are talking about today and the national borders today.

What if the US decided to erect a fence a few feet over the the Mexican side of the border? You would then be screaming that it needed to came down because it violated Mexico's soveriegn territory.

Every country has rhe right to decide who and how many people it allows in.

[JOSEC181]

@chubbypekingnese well to tell you the truth america's allowing more then necessary.

[eier]

open borders means open commerce. drug violence is an issue of course, but it can only be solved with decriminalization and eventual legalization. can't protect people from themselves.

[FormulaDGoSpeedGo]

he said "so called latino people" s does this mean he is not gonna say latino anymore? That would be sweet.

[weedheader714420]

Whos the one hater that marked it dislike!!!

[meeputube]

@weedheader714420

Probably a white guy named Jesus.

[PrinceNoirAmericain]

real talk

[CUCARACHACHSN]

I LOVE YOUR NEW VIDEO NAUI ARE MORE REPRESENTATIF

[AntDog1984]

wow I just lost all respect for him when he equates American nationalist's with slave owners.

[BrotherSkillz]

1 Fagget disliked it

[tellusmore]

Wow we are not mad at women prostituting, what nonsense, all women that have escaped poverty and now can make a great living in this great country will disagree and your nonsense. How in love you are with God is more nonsense to spew your hate for some perceived grievance. You are the ones preaching hate and racism. Sorry the vote was clear phony indigenous claim won’t work the victimization claim after making ur money off capitalism is phony. Yes we can enforce and deport, what cons and liars.

[marvincini]

shake your hands! thas the way the world should be! not killing on war

[JUZSTAYHIGH13]

@centerrightpunk SHUT THE FUK UP...NOTHING IN THIS WORLD IS FREE

[JUZSTAYHIGH13]

the us constitution was written by illegal immigrants....straight up

[TheFlex21]

Immortal Technique: the resurrect of che guevara

[MilitiaMackMusic]

Immortal Technique .. This man is full of knowledge that will make you see the light

MC's who think their all this & that .. take notice of This Man above in this video

He Is A Great Human Being

[someonex011]

is good to see young people there, young che guevera young malcom x's...

[DonnyHaze91]

americans want to stop illegal immigration because the immigrants will work for less and take their jobs. americans live way beyond their means.

[centerrightpunk]

@DonnyHaze91

so you're saying americans should work for less? open immigration is exactly what pure capitalists want. and if capitalism is so bad, immortal should never sell his music, ever, or charge for a show, ever.

[KhalsaSoulja]

Does anyone have the full recording of this day?

[Admiral313D]

Intellectual giant

[FIfiloccss]

When was this ? Intellectual.OG..

[nevergiveup4713]

The US Constitution was written by illegal immigrants? Um yea i think so! Decolinize your minds people, and if you didn't know, there were bounties for the heads of California Indians by the bear flag republic, n California was reimbursed close to a million dollars by the Federal Government. Late coming gold miners and others wanting to make a quick buck killed for 20 shilling of silver for the head of a Indigenous man, 15 shillings for the head of a woman and 10 for a child's head!

[MediaGhostTV1]

A great speech and a great video.  Thanks for posting this.

[tuberpie68]

Where & when was this? What was the purpose of this gathering? Who organized it? Never heard of Tech nor Immortal Technique before. Is he Chicano? He sounds like he grew up in NYC. Sound like this ends just when the event was getting started. Hope you got the rest on vid for us.

[ceomeye]

@tuberpie68 you missing it..

[MEXIKAYOTL2012]

@tuberpie68, this was in costa mesa california brother...

you have never heard of him????? do you listen to hip hop? if not, make sure you cop his albums brother! very good!

he isn't chicano, he is from peru and i believe he has african roots as well.....

[tuberpie68]

@MEXIKAYOTL2012 thanks for the info. Never went out of my way to hear hip hop, for too many reasons to get into here & now.

[MEXIKAYOTL2012]

@tuberpie68 , bro , there is plenty of great hip hop for awarness!

public enemy, dead prez, immortal technique, amongst others.....

[essenceofpresence]

3 favorite lines: "I want us to be a network I want us to realize there are no boundaries in activism" and "You don't need a CA ID to have an identity...." and "We must change the mentality of those around us. In order to do that we must change our own mentality." Immortal Technique

[seewatido]

Great video

[AfrikanDiaspora]

Great stuff, more people needa see.

[shakur420]

 Thanks for posting

[Eyetileye]

More Emcees need to take the example set by tech as well as Long term Activist Chuck D adn KRS One and many other Hip-Hop/musicians Activists. We hava lotta uneducated people behind a mic talking a lotta nonsense with no education or history to back up what they are saying. we jus like the beat or think what they are saying is "cool" .

props to tech on checkin peoples thoughts about "what is law" and broken US Treaties. There is no difference between the wrong and the wrong... just cuz of law