Christian & non-Christian New Testament scholars date Thomas in the last 2nd century & date Matthew, Mark, & Luke between 58-62 AD & John between 90-95 AD, because of that Thomas not based on eyewitness account.
Thomas was written between 50-140AD, most likely before the cannonised Gospels.
What has the evangelists upset is the fact that The Gospel of Thomas has Yeshua saying that he is within us and there is no need for clergy. He's afraid his 2000 year old gravy train might come to a halt if people deal directly with Jesus and the Holy Spirit and cut out the middle man. Kind of a religious "Downsizing". As a Gnostic Christian, I even perform my own Euchasrist in my home.
He's making a lop sided estimate with the 175 to 200 A.D. All the estimates I've heard place Thomas around the first century because the copy we have was Greek translation of an earlier original.
It's referenced in C.E. 180. Meaning it was at leasted written in the early 2nd century if not earlier. It was highly popular in egypt and was referenced by church fathers... Lee is just putting out flak here.
I LIKE the SELF-KNOWLEDGE IT WORKED GREAT FOR ME !!! I KNOW MORE ABOUT THE GOSPEL OF THOMAS THAN ANYONE ON THIS PLANET !!! I KNOW WHAT JESUS WAS TALKING ABOUT.....LEE...YOUR WRONG !!!
@reverendjohnsloan1 Shutup, you are not helping the case for Thomas. Pretty sure if you had this "knowledge" that it would come with humility, I don't think this "knowledge" is something one can boast about. Perhaps you are only trying to make Thomas followers look bad? Stop typing in caps.
Lee..YOU Consulted the WRONG Scholar MOST SCHOLARS SAY THE GOSPEL OF THOMAS was WRITTEN 50 A.D. AND CALL IT THE ORIGINAL SAYINGS OF JESUS.
Lee ARE you MAD at What Jesus said,"The PHARISES(Most Learned of the BIBLE LIKE NICADEMAS) and SCHOLARS have HIDDEN THE KEYS TO ACKNOWLEDGE THEY HAVE NOT ENTER and WILL NOT LET THE ONES WHO WANT TO ENTER..ENTER..
Assigning a date to the Gospel of Thomas is very complex because it is difficult to know precisely to what a date is being assigned. Scholars have proposed a date as early as AD 60 or as late as AD 140, depending upon whether the Gospel of Thomas is identified with the original core of sayings, or with the author's published text, or with the Greek or Coptic texts, or with parallels in other literature.
Guy should know a bit more about what he's talking about before he makes a rather bold proclamation that the gospel is irrelevant. No gospel is irrelevant. I'm not saying he is a bad person, just sayin'...
The book of Thomas if you don't understand Spirtuality, you will not undertsand the Book of Thomas or none of Christ's Teachings in the Gospels. Thomas's Book teaches the same thing that Christ was Teaching witch is The Kingdom of God,. so why would you ommit to be false. so what if it was written later? look at all of the other books that was written in todays times. do we call em fake or wrong if they teach about the Kingdom of God? The Kingdom of God is in you. luk17:20-21.. get to know it
@GospelKeyz Thomas 114) Simon Peter said to Him, "Let Mary leave us, for women are not worthy of Life." Jesus said, "I myself shall lead her in order to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you
males. For every woman who will make herself male will enter the
Kingdom of Heaven."
Yeah, sure does sound like something Jesus would say...
@PianoPlayer58@PianoPlayer58 Whats wrong with what Christ said? did you understand? if Christ follow everything that was giving to him by God, then what does that make him? then if we souls follow what God gave Christ, then what does that makes us? Christ did not preach to the Flesh for the Flesh is dead already and cannot enter into the Kingdom of God. He preached to the Souls that new how to hear understanding. therefor if a woman makes her self male, she shall be save...
Christian & non-Christian New Testament scholars date Thomas in the last 2nd century & date Matthew, Mark, & Luke between 58-62 AD & John between 90-95 AD, because of that Thomas not based on eyewitness account.
bigmike5989 2 months ago
Thomas was written between 50-140AD, most likely before the cannonised Gospels.
What has the evangelists upset is the fact that The Gospel of Thomas has Yeshua saying that he is within us and there is no need for clergy. He's afraid his 2000 year old gravy train might come to a halt if people deal directly with Jesus and the Holy Spirit and cut out the middle man. Kind of a religious "Downsizing". As a Gnostic Christian, I even perform my own Euchasrist in my home.
astrofrk 7 months ago 2
He's making a lop sided estimate with the 175 to 200 A.D. All the estimates I've heard place Thomas around the first century because the copy we have was Greek translation of an earlier original.
angrykorean 9 months ago
Most Scholars date the Gospel of Thomas as one of, if not the earliest writings about Jesus.
Those who misinterpret saying 114 have no understanding of the time and culture in which it was written.
This Lee Strobel has no idea. It seems he would rather follow a brand of Chrisianity based on willful mass deception.
Metalhead1979 10 months ago
Thank you for posting this. I was wondering about this thomas "Gospel"
MsHannelore 10 months ago
It's referenced in C.E. 180. Meaning it was at leasted written in the early 2nd century if not earlier. It was highly popular in egypt and was referenced by church fathers... Lee is just putting out flak here.
nicfirebear 1 year ago
It sounds to me like someone is promoting their local steeple choice and abandoning the spiritual teachings of Jesus.
You churchy people, always with your fake smiles and ridiculous interpretations.
Why don't you sell all that you have and go out and preach the gospel?
You better be sure you are right, Christian Brother, because you wont be defiled by what you put in your mouth, but by what comes out of it.
Be careful what you say, Sir.
alaric63 1 year ago
I LIKE the SELF-KNOWLEDGE IT WORKED GREAT FOR ME !!! I KNOW MORE ABOUT THE GOSPEL OF THOMAS THAN ANYONE ON THIS PLANET !!! I KNOW WHAT JESUS WAS TALKING ABOUT.....LEE...YOUR WRONG !!!
reverendjohnsloan1 1 year ago
@reverendjohnsloan1 Shutup, you are not helping the case for Thomas. Pretty sure if you had this "knowledge" that it would come with humility, I don't think this "knowledge" is something one can boast about. Perhaps you are only trying to make Thomas followers look bad? Stop typing in caps.
Anbesol84 2 weeks ago
Lee..YOU Consulted the WRONG Scholar MOST SCHOLARS SAY THE GOSPEL OF THOMAS was WRITTEN 50 A.D. AND CALL IT THE ORIGINAL SAYINGS OF JESUS.
Lee ARE you MAD at What Jesus said,"The PHARISES(Most Learned of the BIBLE LIKE NICADEMAS) and SCHOLARS have HIDDEN THE KEYS TO ACKNOWLEDGE THEY HAVE NOT ENTER and WILL NOT LET THE ONES WHO WANT TO ENTER..ENTER..
reverendjohnsloan1 1 year ago
Lee..YOU Consulted the WRONG Scholar MOST SCHOLARS SAY THE GOSPEL OF THOMAS was WRITTEN 50 A.D. AND CALL IT THE ORIGINAL SAYINGS OF JESUS.
reverendjohnsloan1 1 year ago
Assigning a date to the Gospel of Thomas is very complex because it is difficult to know precisely to what a date is being assigned. Scholars have proposed a date as early as AD 60 or as late as AD 140, depending upon whether the Gospel of Thomas is identified with the original core of sayings, or with the author's published text, or with the Greek or Coptic texts, or with parallels in other literature.
shalindriaharam 1 year ago
Guy should know a bit more about what he's talking about before he makes a rather bold proclamation that the gospel is irrelevant. No gospel is irrelevant. I'm not saying he is a bad person, just sayin'...
shalindriaharam 1 year ago
@shalindriaharam Okay, perhaps we don't need to call him a "bad person", just a dishonest and manipulative lying one.
Anbesol84 2 weeks ago
yes the kingdom of god is within you and jesus was teaching the samething in the
gospel of thomas and in luke 17:20-21
marktacan 1 year ago
The book of Thomas if you don't understand Spirtuality, you will not undertsand the Book of Thomas or none of Christ's Teachings in the Gospels. Thomas's Book teaches the same thing that Christ was Teaching witch is The Kingdom of God,. so why would you ommit to be false. so what if it was written later? look at all of the other books that was written in todays times. do we call em fake or wrong if they teach about the Kingdom of God? The Kingdom of God is in you. luk17:20-21.. get to know it
GospelKeyz 2 years ago
@GospelKeyz Thomas 114) Simon Peter said to Him, "Let Mary leave us, for women are not worthy of Life." Jesus said, "I myself shall lead her in order to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you
males. For every woman who will make herself male will enter the
Kingdom of Heaven."
Yeah, sure does sound like something Jesus would say...
PianoPlayer58 1 year ago
@PianoPlayer58 @PianoPlayer58 Whats wrong with what Christ said? did you understand? if Christ follow everything that was giving to him by God, then what does that make him? then if we souls follow what God gave Christ, then what does that makes us? Christ did not preach to the Flesh for the Flesh is dead already and cannot enter into the Kingdom of God. He preached to the Souls that new how to hear understanding. therefor if a woman makes her self male, she shall be save...
GospelKeyz 1 year ago
@PianoPlayer58 He may have been symbolizing equal in spirit by this, as much of the Bible holds woman very secondary to man.
cdisalv 6 months ago