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After all this time, with the benefit of the web, better researched archives and more radical right-wingers quite prepared to hang themselves on their beliefs, however misplaced or extreme, I would have expected something to come out of left field to shake up the academics - at leasy a little bit. But no. We've had lone-voice neos, oddballs, Jew-haters, nazis and imbeciles.
If you can categorise where foreskins, typos and dog sex fit in, delete as appropriate.
If we need to see the reciprocal evidence categories supporting any hoax or conspiracy, allied masterplan or Zionist plot, we need only consult the bullshit central blog for a larger list of what you personally see as "evidence".
I'd like to believe - at least briefly - that the Holocaust narrative is as simple as you make it out, but when we turn that evidence demand on deniers for this great hoax, it is always - without fail - explained as being complex and mulifaceted.
If you truly believe that history, or such a hugely complex aspect of WW2, comes down to isolated quotes and affidavit/court testimony, all of which you imply must be wrong or faulted without exception, I suggest we go our separate ways and see if it all lasts another 70 years.
You just proved at a stroke that your contention is intrinsically bipolar, depending entirely on applied bias. If you really think "that's the lot" it might explain why you need the dual approach to RH
"Tim the entire evidence for the Holocaust is survivor testimony and German confessions"
No, it isn't. But it's curious that you rely quite heavily on quotes which, individually, are worthless. I merely don't like debate rooted in such inane and pointless exchanges.
To go off your treatment of Hilberg, he is both credible for what he says and yet in the previous post he was duplicitous.....for what he says.
The ultimate aim of area bombing is terror. The collective purpose of such heinous acts is to force surrender.
It worked. Germany surrendered.
War is insane in all aspects. If we were intelligent about it, we'd know the only outcome is a winner and a loser - and we'd flip a coin. Germany wanted to invade, exploit and occupy, and the allies wanted to destroy nazism and retain and restore democracy at all costs.
The mere fact that there are no mass grave sites for the alleged killings, 700,000 bodies at Treblinka alone shows that there were nowhere near the number of deaths at the camp. The amount of time it would take to cremate someone, yet alone 700,000 someones at Treblinka and then to dig them up and grind down the teeth and bones after they had been buried for quiet a while shows that this is all a myth to keep the German/White Guilt alive. vho dot org
@ElevenHolesInOne I have family members that were sent from Poland to Siberia. The fact that the Soviets committed atrocities does not mean that the Nazis did not. I find the testimonies of Auschwitz survivors just as credible as those who went through the gulags.
Typical holocaust revisionism - cherrypick the data for what supports your viewpoint, while ignoring anything that opposes it.
He is wrong on many points. One I will mention is the book about German suffering postwar. It's not the first that was published. The earliest that I know of was a study commissioned by German Catholic bishops about the atrocities committed by Soviets and Poles against the ethnic Germans in Silesia. This was published in the late 40's and is available in English.
@Lech683 Does that refute any of the conclusions regarding the technical impossibilities of mass gassings and other atrocity stories ??? I dont think so
@Lech683 Have you watched this video ? I guess not. The whole story about how Zyklon B works, that it needs to be heated up to over 35 degree on the Celcius scale to even evaporate the fumes, the fact that the Germans allegedly gassed Jews within "ten to fifteen" minutes and then simply opened the doors and dragged the bodies out. Sure, and the gas had miraculously "disappeared" and u can touch a cyanide poisoning victims with bare hands. Fred Leuchter debunked the whole thing already.
@jbravo41 Nope. Didn't watch the whole thing. Don't need to. I have been following this sort of nonsense for years and know how it works. I'm not going to waste my time watching this stuff so that I can get into a pointless debate.
@Lech683 You "Know it works", sure, the reason you dont get into debates is because you would lose on all grounds. Some of the most noteworthy revisionists have degrees in chemistry, e.g. Germar Rudolph who is a Ph D in Chemistry. I guess you and your "knowing" is no match for some professional expertise on gas, poison and the laws of molecular physics.
@jbravo41 I think you should look up the meaning of 'pointless' in a good dictionary. Talking to you guys is very much like talking to creationists about evolution.
Khazars [kaza'rz], a semi-nomadic tribe of Turkish or Tatar origin who first appeared north of the Caucasus in the early part of the third century.in the Eighth Century Khaghan Bulan decided in favor of the Jews and accepted Judaism for himself and for his people.
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Jews are impostors,liars,Bible,Revelation 2:9,,3:9=Synagogue of satan.
Your limited selection of sources reveals exactly what you are. Just another silly neoNazi or in other words, just another loser who just hasn't managed to do anything of worth in his life.
Try:
1.Lovin' someone
2.Holding on to a job for more than 2 months
3.Saving a bit of money
Maybe then you wont be so jealous of those who have actually done something with their lives.
It'd be better if you were to stop quoting the stuff you see on jewhating sites and start relating to the irrefutable evidence of the Holocaust. However if it makes your day, go for it. As I said, its better than doing any serious damage - as has been done in the past.
sorry mate, you're just not making any sense in your comments! Probably means you got nowt to say.
Exxactly what a "prone subject" is I'm not sure you know! However if denial makes you happy - go for it! Its better than a Holocaust, better than pogroms, raping, pillaging and burning Jews' homes etc.
Thats what so great about U tube and this vid specifically: It gives an outlet for all the Jewhating thats going on everywhere. Keep it up mate!
The amazing thing about H deniers, is their ability to ignore hundreds of thousands of testimonies from jews and nazis alike, pictures, reports of journalists, film, physical evidence, and then to be fooled by just another foolish so called scholar who obviously hasnt managed to reach any level of the public awareness without being just plain idiotic.
So much evidence, so many horrendous memories, so much jew hatred still rampant.
"Sounds like a conspiracy theory...." I guess you;d know all about that. The entire H denial is a case of massive conspiracy theories which the (sane, rational) world laughs at.
And you're pointing out conspiracies!!!
"Truth can stand by itself"...I agree. So what about the truth of H denial - youre bending over backwards to try and make truth stand by itself Why not let the absolute truth of H denial stand by itself? if it is truth that is...
Nice made-up Myer quote you've created. I own a copy of WDTHND, unlike you, you cheap liar.
“The Defendants accept that the physical evidence remaining at the site of Auschwitz provides little evidence to support the claim that gas chambers were operated there for genocidal purposes."
- Justice Gray Judgement, 7.118
Why not make up original excuses instead of parroting: "C&P" yawn, "out of context" yawn, "distorting, manipulating, ignoring evidence" yawn.
perfect example of selective, completely unscholarly research.
Sorry mate but thats what he says. I know you cant live with it, as do most H deniers as they crawl around looking for quotes out of context that are easily distorted, misread and copy=pasted to suit their rather unsavoury aims - usually camouflaged under a cheap veneer of "The quest for truth"
"Why not continue posting x-rated comments on a website that kids frequent...that's all you're good at."
That's a doozy.
Did you show him your kiddie imagery and Talmud claims on your winstonesmith site, mate, or have they gone now? The child sex angle of approach on Holocaust denial is so powerful to the person wielding it, isn't it? I know, you don't hate Jews, you just think that on balance, nazis are more worthy of a clipped quotes and newspaper based defense! LOL!
My blog has a warning that it contains adult material, but impeccably sourced extracts from the highest authority in Rabbinical Judaism, are what they are.
I've a new blog now, full of pictures of my recent trips to Auschwitz, no Talmud extracts on there I'm afraid, so no need to put up the warning of adult material.
Thanks, feel free to take what ever photos for whatever purpose you like.
Not really, the practice of SOME Jews eating prepuces, even in the 20th century, is well documented. But I've recently received a Scottenstein edition of part of the Sanhedrin tract. It has some startling info on the loops holes in the prohibition on incest.
It's your sacred book Tim, not mine, no point blaming me for your sacred scripture. Unless it's in an attempt to divert attention from the contents.
@timpovikings I've tried about 40 times to finish that message responding to what you wrote about defending your family in the Bishop Williamson video, but no matter what I enter in the captcha box, it won't post my message. My response was in 3 parts, 2 of which I posted there. If you don't mind continuing the discussion here, the last part is:
@timpovikings I read a lot of the court transcript about the Dresden death toll. I'd like to get to the bottom of Mr. Irving's credibility. I didn't see any reason in the transcript to think he was lying, but if that's your source, I'll read it again.
Dresden and Irving. You need the Evans expert report and the trial resources.
TB47 is well documented in its role as Irving's panacea justification for his equivalence based arguments. Having bragged he only ever used original German documents, he was now using a third generation copied document he had been told had no foundation in fact. He then skewed the ICRC recommendation and used that as a wholly false RC endorsement of an outlandish 202 000 toll.
Yes, the Soviet estimated in Jan 1946 that 10,000s of bodies still remained buried in Dresden, despite the efforts of 20,000+ POWs to clear them in the immediate weeks after the bombing, and 11 months of clearing up by Germans.
300 sonderkommandos cleared 100,000+ bodies at Babi Yar in just 6 weeks.
We know from the rhetoric of AR that even deniers do not accept mere estimates of buried people. There is no current opinion that thousands remain buried or even that temperatures at the time totally destroyed bodies. See Landeshauptstadt Dresden. Historikerkommission.
If you can find me defending a practice you widely publish in detail for your own reasons, you party till you drop.
You've previously posted a quote from Maimonides in an effort to prove the Talmud prohibited sex outside of marriage.
I soon shot that one down. Seeing that he wasn't even born to hundreds of years after the Talmuds were finished. Even so, he wrote:
"A father may betroth his daughter without her consent as long as she is a minor ... if she is three years and one day old, she may be betrothed by an act of intercourse with the consent of her father."
The New Testament is often cited by Jews as to being responsible for the so-called Holocaust. Therefore looking to the Talmud for the reasons why so many Jews have told told so many lies about WW2, is understandable.
Raul Hilberg quotes from Olga Lengyel, unsurprisingly he left out the dog sex, and the six million killed at Auschwitz claim—and the plump women being forced to wear skimpy outfits, without any underwear claim—and the fact she inadvertently sent her parents and sons to the crematorium.
He took out all the bits that made it a typical Mills & Boon.
"If everyone who claims to be a survivor actually is one," my mother used to exclaim, "who did Hitler kill?" Indeed, many scholars have cast doubt on the reliability of survivor testimony."
As cynical and self-obsessed as Finkelstein is, he regulary tells of the demise of his relatives and the experiences of his parents, who are....Holocaust survivors.
Tim the entire evidence for the Holocaust is survivor testimony and German confessions. You can't take the quotes out of the Holocaust, because without them, there's no Holocaust.
"A great percentage of the mistakes I discovered in my own work, could be attributed to testimonies." - Raul Hilberg
But you isolated them in support of a general theory that broadly says the (entire) Holocaust is a massive and complex lie. I take it you also believe this is how our academic and crime detection institutions work, is it? "He is lying, she is lying, therefore....everyone attached to Holocaust - including scholars - is lying."
Did you know that two of the men ("Academic N. N. Burdenko" & "Mythropolitos Nikolai") who signed the Soviet report (IMT/NMT doc USSR-54)on the Germans perpetrating the Katyn massacre, also signed the official Soviet report on Auschwitz (IMT/NMT doc USSR-008.)
There's an issue here. These men were liars, proven liars, yet their report on Auschwitz is cited (by Hilberg) as evidence of the gas chambers.
"One need not suppose that Hitler has signed an actual order for the destruction of the Jews, which is strongly reported but is at present unconfirned."
Nice early excuse for the lack of the Hitler order, so Hilberg needed not of made-up those two in the original edition of DotEJ.
Hilberg is considered the Don of holocaust scholars. So I'll quote him as an authority, but other times I point out that even the Don worked with reports and testimony of liars.
How you interpret anyone in particular is irrelevant really. The weight of evidence, from all sources, over 60-odd years of study, is of a Holocaust. My point is this alleged hoax has thought of everything except the easiest evidence to manufacture!
If you want gross errors, fabrications and bullshit on Holocaust matters, look no further than some of the 'experts', like Irving, Weber, Faurisson and Zundel ( a real UFO link if ever...etc).
No, the weight of evidence, opinion, legal judgements and ongoing study, supports Holocaust.
The reciprocal evidence of conspiracy - as we have just seen - is certainly more eclectic. But just between you and me, a typo isn't evidence of anything but a typo.
You have it as a point of convergence trashing an entire camp history. LOL!
To go back to pertinent evidence, this is the standard we have to meet, is it?
"I have it on very good authority, Carlos Whitlock Porter no less, that a Mytropolitos or Metropole is "Some top office in the Russian or Greek Orthodox Church." And "Nikolaus" is a misspelling of Nikolai."
You seem keen to cling to only the tip of your iceberg.
Survivors are lying, so everyone is, including the ICRC, 3 generations of academics, every German and democratic government and senior politician in the West, every German court and prosecutor, respected centres of learning on Holocaust like Munich? A global conspiracy so all encompassing, and yet no-one has seen fit to forge a Hitler order to put one big full stop on the end of it.
@timpovikings I just recently came to research it a little. And the most astounding part is, in Germany and most european country, it is by law at years of prison sentences, forbidden to question the death toll, publish research or opinion that is not in accord with the official story. Is this not suspect? Freedom of speech and research is absent, totally. The guys who published or questioned are fleeing all over the globe. This is no proof for nothing, but is giving a sign.
"It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself."
- Thomas Jefferson
"... abandon completely the ... opinion that the sun stands still at the center of the world and the earth moves, and henceforth not to hold, teach, or defend it in any way whatever, either orally or in writing; otherwise the Holy Office would start proceedings against him."
- Vatican Special Injunction against Galileo, 26 February 1616
Denial law is embraced in the same legislation which penalises denial of all third reich events, such as Oradour, Lidice, the Sagan murders or the Rohm Purge.
Why aren't you complaining about that?
Lesbians, black people, rivers, fetuses, pavements, horses and air have laws. Why not victims of oppression?
@timpovikings Why would someone forbid someone else to question the research of a warcrime? I don't get it. Soviest were liars and genocidal, USA is as criminal as good and I am fordbidden to research, even access publications, testimonies by people who differ in opinion or research about the crime? It's a made up protection. The victims have no right to prevent research and dissent. I am just beginning to look into the matter and I am risking prosecution because I am a curious man, its wrong.
You support laws which imprison people, born as recently as 1994, for doubting your new religion. But at the same time expect people to believe Germans who'd worked at the camps, were allowed to state their honest opinion without fear of recourse. LMAO.
You've got the Red Series there, look them up: Volume 39, pages 290 & 241.
They were translated from Russian, of course, which explains the "typo." Or are you suggesting there was more than one mytropolitos in the Extraordinary Special State Commission for the Study of Crimes of the German Nazi Aggressors?
I'm suggesting that if I cited a corroborative document supporting my position, where the authors were not 'the same' and I had it on the 'very good authority' of a vested interest that a typo was part of that corroboration, you'd reject it with similar hilarity.
But as I say, goose and gander. If you can extol duality and bring things like foreskins and bestiality to the debate, don't make a hypocrite out of yourself by demanding hard proof.
Foreskins and bestiality are in survivor testimony. And we now how important that is.
The typos obvious, I've not that on anyone's authority. Just what his title meant.
I've since found out what Mithropolitos Nikolai's full name was. I let you in when I've done some more investigating. But you merely concentrating on Николай being translated as Nikolai or Nikolus by different translators just show how weak your case is.
Foreskins/bestiality do not, cannot, never did and never will, have any beariing on Holocaust.
The typos obvious - to you.
I don't concentrate on anything you don't first and I'm not making a case, you are.
Try to keep in mind this is a narrative that IS the received wisdom; one you don't accept, deny and seek to refute. The Soviets figure prominently apparently, and yet couldn't pull off the lesser scam of Katyn or find a 4 million source.
Her memoirs are cited by Raul Hilberg in the "standard work" on the Ho£ocaust. Fact.
Sure, sure, the Soviets didn't admit the truth of Katyn until 1990, the same year theirs, Deborah Lipstadt's & Martin Gilbert's 4,000,000 figure went down.
67 years and counting... yep its sure changed mightily over that time. That's why we've laws now to protect it. It's precious and very, very delicate.
Delicate! It's so delicate every major revisionist attached to this has been caught lying about it, fabricating their evidence or editing the testimony they all imply is false anyway. Krege is currently right up to his eyebrows in crap.
Torture. There is none. Not if you can only find contradictions. Or was Hoess so well primed that they forgot the 4 million number and threw in Wolzek just for the adrenalin buzz of it all crashing down when they found it wasn't on the map?
That's the thing about lying, you've got to keep lying to keep it going. So soon the inconstancies show.
Krege saw what happened to Germar Rudolf. That's why he never published.
Will have to wait and see what Colls produces. No Revisionist denies many died, and were even murdered at the Treblinka camps. Just that they weren't steamed/suctioned/dieseled/petrolled to death.
"No Revisionist denies many died, and were even murdered at the Treblinka camps"
Krege did, so did Toben, so did Mattogno, so did Graf. I've seen the damage control at RODOH. All of a sudden, Krege did find stuff and yes, people now did die at Treblinka. No shit. Krege openly denied Treblinka exterminations based on his survey. It's not a matter of if he's going to look stupid, only when.
Delicate? I'd say Krege's arse is pouting like a beached bloater about now.
After 70 years the Holocaust Inc. has finally decided to look for some evidence at Treblinka, which is commendable. But if she finds mass graves you realise that's against the Treblinka narrative; of all the bodies being cremated.
Krege now has to release his survey and explain either how he missed so much, how he discovered what Sturdy Colls did and yet lied about it - or why he never carried out a survey. On a fuck-up scale of 1 to 10, he's off the end of the scale.
It turns out a GPR expert (Conyers) has also said that his one published, uncubed transect, does in fact show what he says it doesn't. In fact, the disturbance is at various depths and very 'noisy'.
You like to say I know there were no gas chambers. The reality is, and it's some paradox, you know there was no orchestrated hoax. That's why you look for contradiction anywhere and everywhere within the Holocaust. You suggest people were compelled to give relevant testimony in keeping with 'a plan' - and yet your whole argument lies in contradictions and errors.
They messed up Katyn long before the IMT sat, but left their names on the Auschwitz script?
Watched Simon Sharma's History of Britain? (google: "English atrocity propaganda from 1641, it's strangely familiar"). Gruelpropaganda is part and parcel of war. The Jews excelled at it in WW2, they of course had their goals: 1. Creation of a Jewish state. 2. Jews to move to that state. I've proved again and again, that Jews knew the exactly 6,000,000 Jews would be killed by the Germans, as early as 1939.
"every major revisionist attached to this has been caught lying about it" BS
Yeah, I know. You proved this and shot down that - and can't give me a law which prevents the crime it's enacted against or - in keeping with most conspiracy theorists - explain how such a clever set of people hook in the nazis, the SS and three generations of scholars to keep all the secrets that were always out in the open from as far back as Adam.
Who says exactly 6 million were killed by the Germans?
"Who says exactly 6 million were killed by the Germans?"
"At the Nuremberg Trials it was established beyond a shadow of doubt that six million Jews were destroyed."
- Chaim Weizmann, president of the World Zionist Organisation, and Israel's founding president, at the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry on Palestine on March 8, 1946 (only that 12 of the Nuremberg trials hadn't even started, and wouldn't conclude until April 1949.)
@timpovikings I came to my first serious doubts when I read "Auschwitz - the silence of Heidegger" some 30 pages by Prof. Roger Dommergue, a jew. It's on the net. He gives serious starting points, for example Prof Rassinier, who was himself a victim of camps and had bad lifelong health because of camp inmate time. He had to win a 6 year court battle against the state to be allowed to say what HE experienced in the camps. Something is not right. Maybe having a look before dismissal is justified.
The legislatures and judiciaries of most democracies are there to establish, enforce and uphold truth. 'The Truth' therefore cannot support itself before it is extablished and rationally defined, and some enforcement must ensue when it is questioned. Denial laws are designed to prevent any toehold for a re-awakening of nazism and or dictatorships usurping democracy by democratic means, as nazism is sometimes described.
If such laws affect your quality of life, you have no life.
@timpovikings Government has no business to judge truth, never had and never should. History and research should be subject to every mans conscious scrutiny and no law prohibit research or freedom of opinion. It is totalitarian what you argue for. And Soviet genocidalists and USA criminals to establish a narrative that never could ever be questioned in public is ridiculous and criminal minded in my view.
@timpovikings The whole papers that are forbidden in germany are research that is prohibited. I live in Germany. In university or school you can under no circumstance question the holo or read or cite papers that are forbidden.
You can not publish or speak publicly in Germany anything with is contra to the Canonical holocaust story. Quibbling that it doesn't ban research is irrelevant.
@timpovikings Well maybe you are right in a way. I supposed that the works of many are forbidden in Germany and counted them as research. I am rather new to this. Let me tell you as a german, the moment you say one wrong word on ww2 or holo doubts or anything you are in big trouble here.
@timpovikings Every publication which is not in accord with holo story by law is prohibited from publication in Germany. Access is denied also. This is prohibiting research. And my forefathers were brave and fought the brutal versailles obligations. The whole US history is doctored I know by now.
You're in front of the biggest information source on the planet. If you have any problem getting publications, you can't be very imaginative if you don't know how to solve that. Your forefathers supported unreasonable aggression to some degree. It wasn't an honourable war.
If governments don't involve themselves with the law and legal truth, they will not be accountable to it. If they are not accountable, there is no democracy. If you have a better option, run for election.
@timpovikings Even the vids on holo are blocked here. Anyway we disagree on many things. I say good night. I recently found out about my forefathers fight for their families, kids and country was honorable. It started earlier before ww1 and lets just disagree.
the Curator of auschwitz was recorded on video stating that the gas chambers were complete reconstructions by the communist russians so saying this is the original is a lie
@scmthrasher I doubt he used precisely those words. The gas chambers at Birkenau were never rebuilt, so far as I am aware. What was rebuilt was the test chamber at the main camp (the one with Arbeit Macht Frei above the entrance). This test chamber was originally used for storage, converted to test for gas executions, and then converted back for other uses once the facilities at Birkenau were up. The postwar rebuilding was to put it back to look the way it was during its testing stage.
@scmthrasher This story that the execution at the main camp was built postwar is one the old hoary stories the deniers often tell. They don't bother telling the whole story, of course, since that would not advance their goal. It's a standard propaganda ploy - lying by omission.
@Lech683 Ernst Zundel has the curator of auschwitz on video tape stating that the "gas chambers" shown to tourists as the gas chambers that were used to gas 1.1million jews were reconstructions after the russians had supposedly turned rooms caked with cyanide into bomb shelters...its on video right here on youtube
anyone interested in "freedom of speech" or "truth" would have NO problem seeking the actual truth, instead of blindly believing that the Powers-That-Be were honest for the FIRST time in human history.
how many lies, cover-ups, distortions of truth, etc, does it take before people begin realizing--DUDE, THEY LIE ABOUT EVERYTHING.
apparently NOT about the Holocaust though--apparently in this ONE solitary case, the Powers-That-Be got the facts PERFECT the first time around.
(contd) Denying the biggest taking of freedom ever done by man on his fellows prepares the way for a new H. The law, by making H denial illegal recognises this fact. If people disbelive the H ever happened, despite massive evidence there is no guarantee that history will not repeat itself. Mass murder, genocide and racist laws can recurr with impunity in the sure knowledge that someone down the line is going to deny it ever happened. We're suppossed to learn from history, not try and change it.
"even if it doesnt make sense" We agree then that the chronicles of the H. do not make sense. They don't since they are so unbelievably horrific and inhuman and it pases all understanding.
I now ask myself:whence comes the quest for denial? Is it because we cant reconcile such horrors with humanity? Is it because of our quest for truth?
If u want to know the answer to that one read thru the comments below..
As a fervent admirer of free speech I often wonder how cum the denial thing is so strictly dealt with. However the answer is firmly embedded in the question: Why bother deny? Can it be that Holocaust denial is an expression of the sincere search for truth? I dont think so. H. denial is more an attempt to distort history fueled by motives completely unrelated to the values of truth or freedom. On the contrary. (contd)
Sorry mate-not convincing. Your trying to refute testimonies of thousands all over the world,victims & Nazis alike, by bringing your own sad misplaced versions of what you think really happened. This rather lame pointing out of pics from books only shows how weak your position really is. This obssession with denial begs the question: Why bother? Why make it your life's work to rewrite history when the truth is so obvious? Apart from a few who jump on the revisionist thing-whats the point?(contd)
@smike53 no, not sooo obvious, man ..not sooo obvious ..i used to think JUST LiKE you ..think again ..just allow yourself to think again ..that's all!
Methinks that perhaps you havent read my 3 comments. Please read them, after all you seem to be an advocate of the "open mind" and "rethinking".. (Rethinking=revisionism).
I'd like to repeat just the end of my comments:
"Mass murder, genocide and racist laws can recurr with impunity in the sure knowledge that someone down the line is going to deny it ever happened. We're supposed to learn from history, not try and change it." - when it doesnt suit our world view.
@keflar5 I agree - it is disgusting to jail people for holding stupid opinions. But I don't know of many places were that happens. Some European countries imprison people for that, but not Canada or the US. Deniers who have suffered legally in Canada were for offences other than denial. Keegstra was punished for promoting hatred, not denial.
@Lech683 You "don't know" of many places or you just have not check the facts, trying to jail scientists because their results contradict the official lie or locking up historians......but hey you just "don't know" about these things. Deniers? How about you use your own fucking language instead of hateful horrible phrases spoon fed to you, how is someone a denier when they ask a question or demand an answer. Who is denying who exactly? The fact is I worked this shit out with simple maths THINK
@keflar5 OK. So enlighten me. Where are all these jailings happening? I admit that I don't spend a whole lot of time looking events of that sort. I happen to know of the Keegstra case because it was local. I use 'deniers' because it's a common term and understood by all. If it offends you I can use 'heretical historians'. I don't call someone a denier for asking questions. I call people deniers when they claim there were no extermination facilities at Birkenau, Sobibor, and Treblinka.
@Lech683 Oh no please enlighten me, I don't like the fact that my beliefs mean that I am hated by people like yourself who cannot provided me with any proof whatsoever and then when I check through the facts it turns out that massive lies were and are being told about it. I would love you to prove me wrong I really would
@keflar5 On what do you base your contention that I hate you? I certainly do not - not any more than I hate people who think that aliens are beaming thoughts into their heads. I do think, however, that you are delusional. In terms of proof, I kinda think that nothing I might say or refer to would make any difference.
@Lech683 So it is some pedantic crap about how I said you hated me which I did not FAIL with a little childish Ad Hominem sprinked on top FAIL and not one bit of evidence of 6 million people being gassed FAIL. Nothing you say could change my mind? WHY? I will tell you why BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO FUCKING PROOF SO STOP CRYING ABOUT IT. If I said that the figures of coke ordered for Auschwitz matched up with the death books handed over by the Russians years later matched up exactly would you care
@keflar5 For me, the closest evidence that I have had is the testimony of Sigmund Sobolewski. He was picked up by the Germans at age 17 by the Germans and sent to Auschwitz where he survived for the next five years. His story is related in "Prisoner 88 - The Man In Stripes". I have met Sobolewski on a number of occasions and find no reason to doubt his story. Sobolewski is not a Jew, but an ethic Catholic Pole.
@Lech683 So the best evidence you have of a mass extermination programme involving millions of people is the testimony of one man? I can understand that this would be the biggest "proof" for you personaly but if that is really the sort of evidence you have for me then it just proves how little actual evidence you have and it is not like you can't go on you tube and find liar after liar spit their rediculous stories about the camps is it?
@keflar5 It's only the best in the sense that Sobolewski is a veteran of Auschwitz with whom I have talked the longest. I've certainly read countless other accounts, and heard the testimonies of other survivors.
@Lech683 You know how many lies have been proved about the camps then don't you? Not a single bit of paper with any evidence of gassings? It is admitted that the chambers were fixed up after the war but not admitted to public. Why on earth would someone build a chimney not connected to any building? Why would it be illeagal to ask questions? Why would they cart people half way across europe to kill them? Why would they shave peoples heads if they were going to kill them? I could go on all day
@keflar5 There were certainly a lot of things said about the camps that turned out not to be true. For example, the claim that 4 million people died at Auschwitz. Better investigation derived a more accurate count. One gas chamber was 'fixed up' after the war. And I explained why that was in another comment. What chimneys unconnected to buildings do you have in mind? It's not illegal to ask questions. They carted people across Europe to keep the exterminations a secret.
@Lech683 At what point does someone ask themselves why all these lies were and are being told? They carted them across europe because the story had to be changed. It was claimed that gassings were going on everywhere but the only place that could not be investigated was Poland WOW WHAT A SHOCK. Its the complete lack of logic that blows my mind, do you think the Germans cremated millions of people? Do you have any idea how much that would cost in time and money? The whole thing is a sick joke
@keflar5 Lies are told all the time about all sorts of events. Sometimes it's because people are misinformed, sometimes because people skew things to suit their personal viewpoints. Lies are told about the JFK assassination. Lies are told about World War II. Every country has developed its own accepted version of what WWII was about, how they won it, and how pure their effort was. Sometimes these national histories conflict with each other.
@Lech683 Lies are told by everyone so who is to say what a lie is? lol Fucking lawyer talk, sometimes a lie is a lie on purpose WOW who would of thought. Did they make soap out of people NO, did they fit up room to look like gas chambers? YES, Did the camps have bands, did they have their own currency did they put on plays? YES, is there a single document proving gas or even hinting at gas chambers? NO, at what point does someone "skew"ing the truth turn into a disgusting giant lie?
@Lech683 Tell me you think Oswald shot JFK and give us all a laugh, do you REALLY believe that they could cremate that many people? Do you have any idea how expensive it is to cremate someone? How is it that Anne Frank was at three different camps if the policy was to kill children right away? How is it that the figures plummet every time someone even glances at the records? Historical points of view and inventing the gas chamber lie are hardly the same thing are they? No they are not
The religion comparison is one that makes alot of sense to me. Its one of those things where you are just suppose to take faith to believe it is true. However me having some thinking skills makes me think if someone dosnt want me to question something they are hiding something. Because if it were true then they wouldnt mind me examining it from every angle for I would know that it is true.
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this person doesnt even sound like european but american, thats why its so suspecious.
idrismetalcore 1 month ago
@idrismetalcore I believe it's a Scottish accent.
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@lynchie3000
After all this time, with the benefit of the web, better researched archives and more radical right-wingers quite prepared to hang themselves on their beliefs, however misplaced or extreme, I would have expected something to come out of left field to shake up the academics - at leasy a little bit. But no. We've had lone-voice neos, oddballs, Jew-haters, nazis and imbeciles.
If you can categorise where foreskins, typos and dog sex fit in, delete as appropriate.
timpovikings 1 month ago
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@lynchie3000
To go back to Hilberg; your logic seems to say that some of his utterences are valid and some are not.
Why the duality with his statements, but not others?
timpovikings 1 month ago
@lynchie3000
If we need to see the reciprocal evidence categories supporting any hoax or conspiracy, allied masterplan or Zionist plot, we need only consult the bullshit central blog for a larger list of what you personally see as "evidence".
I'd like to believe - at least briefly - that the Holocaust narrative is as simple as you make it out, but when we turn that evidence demand on deniers for this great hoax, it is always - without fail - explained as being complex and mulifaceted.
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@lynchie3000
If you truly believe that history, or such a hugely complex aspect of WW2, comes down to isolated quotes and affidavit/court testimony, all of which you imply must be wrong or faulted without exception, I suggest we go our separate ways and see if it all lasts another 70 years.
You just proved at a stroke that your contention is intrinsically bipolar, depending entirely on applied bias. If you really think "that's the lot" it might explain why you need the dual approach to RH
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@lynchie3000
"Tim the entire evidence for the Holocaust is survivor testimony and German confessions"
No, it isn't. But it's curious that you rely quite heavily on quotes which, individually, are worthless. I merely don't like debate rooted in such inane and pointless exchanges.
To go off your treatment of Hilberg, he is both credible for what he says and yet in the previous post he was duplicitous.....for what he says.
timpovikings 1 month ago
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@mdmguyon
Utter gibberish.
To recap...
The ultimate aim of area bombing is terror. The collective purpose of such heinous acts is to force surrender.
It worked. Germany surrendered.
War is insane in all aspects. If we were intelligent about it, we'd know the only outcome is a winner and a loser - and we'd flip a coin. Germany wanted to invade, exploit and occupy, and the allies wanted to destroy nazism and retain and restore democracy at all costs.
Job done.
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The mere fact that there are no mass grave sites for the alleged killings, 700,000 bodies at Treblinka alone shows that there were nowhere near the number of deaths at the camp. The amount of time it would take to cremate someone, yet alone 700,000 someones at Treblinka and then to dig them up and grind down the teeth and bones after they had been buried for quiet a while shows that this is all a myth to keep the German/White Guilt alive. vho dot org
14LittleWords 1 month ago
Where were the 1.4 million Jews that were transported to Belzec, Sobibor, and Treblinka resettled? Have any of them said so?
mdmguyon 1 month ago
@ElevenHolesInOne And let's not forget those Communist Jews known as Joseph Stalin and Felix Dzershinsky.
Lech683 1 month ago
@ElevenHolesInOne I have family members that were sent from Poland to Siberia. The fact that the Soviets committed atrocities does not mean that the Nazis did not. I find the testimonies of Auschwitz survivors just as credible as those who went through the gulags.
Lech683 1 month ago
@Lech683 100 % sensible :-)
elrjames777 1 month ago
Typical holocaust revisionism - cherrypick the data for what supports your viewpoint, while ignoring anything that opposes it.
He is wrong on many points. One I will mention is the book about German suffering postwar. It's not the first that was published. The earliest that I know of was a study commissioned by German Catholic bishops about the atrocities committed by Soviets and Poles against the ethnic Germans in Silesia. This was published in the late 40's and is available in English.
Lech683 1 month ago
@Lech683 Does that refute any of the conclusions regarding the technical impossibilities of mass gassings and other atrocity stories ??? I dont think so
jbravo41 1 month ago
@jbravo41 What technical impossibilities?
Lech683 1 month ago
@Lech683 Have you watched this video ? I guess not. The whole story about how Zyklon B works, that it needs to be heated up to over 35 degree on the Celcius scale to even evaporate the fumes, the fact that the Germans allegedly gassed Jews within "ten to fifteen" minutes and then simply opened the doors and dragged the bodies out. Sure, and the gas had miraculously "disappeared" and u can touch a cyanide poisoning victims with bare hands. Fred Leuchter debunked the whole thing already.
jbravo41 1 month ago
@jbravo41 Nope. Didn't watch the whole thing. Don't need to. I have been following this sort of nonsense for years and know how it works. I'm not going to waste my time watching this stuff so that I can get into a pointless debate.
Lech683 1 month ago
@Lech683 You "Know it works", sure, the reason you dont get into debates is because you would lose on all grounds. Some of the most noteworthy revisionists have degrees in chemistry, e.g. Germar Rudolph who is a Ph D in Chemistry. I guess you and your "knowing" is no match for some professional expertise on gas, poison and the laws of molecular physics.
jbravo41 1 month ago
@jbravo41 I think you should look up the meaning of 'pointless' in a good dictionary. Talking to you guys is very much like talking to creationists about evolution.
Lech683 1 month ago
@ElevenHolesInOne
Ho hum (yawn...)
you sound like a parrot.
Endlesly copy-pasting quotes you find on Jewhate sites.
Apparently youre not reading any comments but your own - again and again.
Its a form of verbal wanking. ..without actally reaching an orgasm.
Must be so frustrating!
smike53 2 months ago
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goldberg823 2 months ago
@ElevenHolesInOne
Ah! so you quote your friend Adolf!
Anyone else you'd like to learn from, and quote?
Your limited selection of sources reveals exactly what you are. Just another silly neoNazi or in other words, just another loser who just hasn't managed to do anything of worth in his life.
Try:
1.Lovin' someone
2.Holding on to a job for more than 2 months
3.Saving a bit of money
Maybe then you wont be so jealous of those who have actually done something with their lives.
smike53 2 months ago
@ElevenHolesInOne
It'd be better if you were to stop quoting the stuff you see on jewhating sites and start relating to the irrefutable evidence of the Holocaust. However if it makes your day, go for it. As I said, its better than doing any serious damage - as has been done in the past.
smike53 2 months ago
@ElevenHolesInOne
sorry mate, you're just not making any sense in your comments! Probably means you got nowt to say.
Exxactly what a "prone subject" is I'm not sure you know! However if denial makes you happy - go for it! Its better than a Holocaust, better than pogroms, raping, pillaging and burning Jews' homes etc.
Thats what so great about U tube and this vid specifically: It gives an outlet for all the Jewhating thats going on everywhere. Keep it up mate!
smike53 2 months ago
@ElevenHolesInOne
...that has to be one of the worst syllogisms (look it up...) I've ever seen! well done!
smike53 2 months ago
@ElevenHolesInOne
The amazing thing about H deniers, is their ability to ignore hundreds of thousands of testimonies from jews and nazis alike, pictures, reports of journalists, film, physical evidence, and then to be fooled by just another foolish so called scholar who obviously hasnt managed to reach any level of the public awareness without being just plain idiotic.
So much evidence, so many horrendous memories, so much jew hatred still rampant.
And of course - the same old deniers
smike53 2 months ago
@ElevenHolesInOne
"Harvard scholar David Hoggan " - you gotta be kidding!!
just another neo-Nazi conspiracy freak. I quote:
"an ardent Germanophile and a compulsive Anglophobe, Polophobe, and an anti-Semite."
Funded by neo-Nazi groups, All historians now agree. he used a preposterous misreading of history.
Not surprising you quote him though!
It rather sums up the worth of your argument-& proves my point re the illegality of H denial. Just see where it comes from & u know why its illegal!
smike53 2 months ago
@smike53
"It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself."
- Thomas Jefferson
"All historians now agree" - Do they, can you prove that?
"Funded by neo-Nazi groups" - Sounds like a conspiracy theory
lynchie3000 2 months ago
@lynchie3000
Do you ever read what you write?
"Sounds like a conspiracy theory...." I guess you;d know all about that. The entire H denial is a case of massive conspiracy theories which the (sane, rational) world laughs at.
And you're pointing out conspiracies!!!
"Truth can stand by itself"...I agree. So what about the truth of H denial - youre bending over backwards to try and make truth stand by itself Why not let the absolute truth of H denial stand by itself? if it is truth that is...
smike53 2 months ago
@smike53
"there was a Holocaust, which is, by the way, more easily said than demonstrated." - Raul Hilberg
"Ninety-nine per cent of what we know we do not actually have the physical evidence to prove." - Robert van Pelt
"In the absence of any “direct”, i.e. palpable, indisputable and evident proof (lacking so far as we know at present)" - JC Pressac
"Sources for the study of the gas chambers are at once rare and unreliable." - Arno J. Mayer
The Nazis never gassed anyone, its a lie.
lynchie3000 2 months ago
@lynchie3000
Once again - yawn, yawn. You guys troll around denial sites, copyin and pasting, then claiming to have done "scholarly research".
It probably explains why you've only got 2900 views on this pathetic vid. where some kid sneezing has 100,000.
BTW Hilberg, a great H scholar, himself lost 29 of his family in the H.
Re quote from Mayer, (taken out of context) he adds why:
"SS destroyed the majority of documention relating to the operation of the gas chambers in the death camps
smike53 2 months ago
@smike53
Nice made-up Myer quote you've created. I own a copy of WDTHND, unlike you, you cheap liar.
“The Defendants accept that the physical evidence remaining at the site of Auschwitz provides little evidence to support the claim that gas chambers were operated there for genocidal purposes."
- Justice Gray Judgement, 7.118
Why not make up original excuses instead of parroting: "C&P" yawn, "out of context" yawn, "distorting, manipulating, ignoring evidence" yawn.
ZZZZZZ zzzzzzz zzzzZZZzzzzzz
lynchie3000 1 month ago
@lynchie3000
perfect example of selective, completely unscholarly research.
Sorry mate but thats what he says. I know you cant live with it, as do most H deniers as they crawl around looking for quotes out of context that are easily distorted, misread and copy=pasted to suit their rather unsavoury aims - usually camouflaged under a cheap veneer of "The quest for truth"
Not surprising no one takes you guys seriously!
smike53 1 month ago
@smike53
LOL, You clearly don't own the book, as that is not what he wrote.
You're a joke. Why not continue posting x-rated comments on a website that kids frequent, as clearly that's all you're good at.
lynchie3000 1 month ago
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@lynchie3000
Now we know what your scholastic aptitude is really about!
We also know the way your mind works.
Discussions and refutation of slurs on the Talmud are mere "sex stuff".
Sorry, did you claim to be a scholar?
Well each to his own I guess.
smike53 1 month ago
@lynchie3000
"Why not continue posting x-rated comments on a website that kids frequent...that's all you're good at."
That's a doozy.
Did you show him your kiddie imagery and Talmud claims on your winstonesmith site, mate, or have they gone now? The child sex angle of approach on Holocaust denial is so powerful to the person wielding it, isn't it? I know, you don't hate Jews, you just think that on balance, nazis are more worthy of a clipped quotes and newspaper based defense! LOL!
timpovikings 1 month ago
@timpovikings
Happy New Year Tim, still drinking heavily?
My blog has a warning that it contains adult material, but impeccably sourced extracts from the highest authority in Rabbinical Judaism, are what they are.
I've a new blog now, full of pictures of my recent trips to Auschwitz, no Talmud extracts on there I'm afraid, so no need to put up the warning of adult material.
lynchie3000 1 month ago
@lynchie3000
Some good pictures on the new blog. I hope you don't mind my taking a selection for personal use.
I see you progressed from general child sex......to foreskins.
Nice.
timpovikings 1 month ago
@timpovikings
Thanks, feel free to take what ever photos for whatever purpose you like.
Not really, the practice of SOME Jews eating prepuces, even in the 20th century, is well documented. But I've recently received a Scottenstein edition of part of the Sanhedrin tract. It has some startling info on the loops holes in the prohibition on incest.
It's your sacred book Tim, not mine, no point blaming me for your sacred scripture. Unless it's in an attempt to divert attention from the contents.
lynchie3000 1 month ago
@lynchie3000
Incest and prepuces ; loopholes and deatils in old writings.
You must be elated to have unearthed such devestating material with such profound impact on Holocaust history.
timpovikings 1 month ago
@timpovikings I've tried about 40 times to finish that message responding to what you wrote about defending your family in the Bishop Williamson video, but no matter what I enter in the captcha box, it won't post my message. My response was in 3 parts, 2 of which I posted there. If you don't mind continuing the discussion here, the last part is:
mdmguyon 1 month ago
@timpovikings I read a lot of the court transcript about the Dresden death toll. I'd like to get to the bottom of Mr. Irving's credibility. I didn't see any reason in the transcript to think he was lying, but if that's your source, I'll read it again.
mdmguyon 1 month ago
@mdmguyon
Dresden and Irving. You need the Evans expert report and the trial resources.
TB47 is well documented in its role as Irving's panacea justification for his equivalence based arguments. Having bragged he only ever used original German documents, he was now using a third generation copied document he had been told had no foundation in fact. He then skewed the ICRC recommendation and used that as a wholly false RC endorsement of an outlandish 202 000 toll.
Irving is a liar.
timpovikings 1 month ago
@timpovikings
Yes, the Soviet estimated in Jan 1946 that 10,000s of bodies still remained buried in Dresden, despite the efforts of 20,000+ POWs to clear them in the immediate weeks after the bombing, and 11 months of clearing up by Germans.
300 sonderkommandos cleared 100,000+ bodies at Babi Yar in just 6 weeks.
The Ho£ocaust is a lie.
lynchie3000 1 month ago
@lynchie3000
!!! Babi blah blah etc.
We know from the rhetoric of AR that even deniers do not accept mere estimates of buried people. There is no current opinion that thousands remain buried or even that temperatures at the time totally destroyed bodies. See Landeshauptstadt Dresden. Historikerkommission.
If you can find me defending a practice you widely publish in detail for your own reasons, you party till you drop.
timpovikings 1 month ago
@timpovikings
You've previously posted a quote from Maimonides in an effort to prove the Talmud prohibited sex outside of marriage.
I soon shot that one down. Seeing that he wasn't even born to hundreds of years after the Talmuds were finished. Even so, he wrote:
"A father may betroth his daughter without her consent as long as she is a minor ... if she is three years and one day old, she may be betrothed by an act of intercourse with the consent of her father."
Maimonides, Sefer Nashim 3:11
lynchie3000 1 month ago
@lynchie3000
This is why secretly you're my hero. Nice job.
The Holocaust Studies Depts must be packing boxes and locking up as we speak.
timpovikings 1 month ago
@lynchie3000
It's not that I don't believe you, Lynchie.
It's just a subject that only you want to go into detail over.
timpovikings 1 month ago
@timpovikings
The New Testament is often cited by Jews as to being responsible for the so-called Holocaust. Therefore looking to the Talmud for the reasons why so many Jews have told told so many lies about WW2, is understandable.
lynchie3000 1 month ago
@lynchie3000
Of course. Yes....that must be it.
timpovikings 1 month ago
@timpovikings
"thou shalt take an awl, and thrust it through his ear and into the door"
Deu 15:17
"He often attacked us while we worked and nailed our ears to the wall..."
Yankiel Wiernik
"... the girl was violated by dogs whom the Nazis had specially trained ..."
- Olga Lengyel
"Money given by a man to a harlot to associate with his dog. Such an association is not legal adultery" Sotah 26b
"(Baba Metzia 71a) urges a widow not to own a dog because she will be suspected of committing bestiality"
lynchie3000 1 month ago
@lynchie3000
Stunning.
You get Reuters - I'll alert the BBC.
Initially, I'd leave out the child sex and bestiality angle, though.
Otherwise they might not take you seriously
timpovikings 1 month ago
@timpovikings
Raul Hilberg quotes from Olga Lengyel, unsurprisingly he left out the dog sex, and the six million killed at Auschwitz claim—and the plump women being forced to wear skimpy outfits, without any underwear claim—and the fact she inadvertently sent her parents and sons to the crematorium.
He took out all the bits that made it a typical Mills & Boon.
lynchie3000 1 month ago
@lynchie3000
...And?
Mate, if it tents your trousers, fill your boots.
Going through the survivors one at a time will at least keep you off the streets.
timpovikings 1 month ago
@timpovikings
True
"If everyone who claims to be a survivor actually is one," my mother used to exclaim, "who did Hitler kill?" Indeed, many scholars have cast doubt on the reliability of survivor testimony."
- Norman Finkelstein
lynchie3000 1 month ago
@lynchie3000
Quotes tennis....lol.....not for me, thanks.
As cynical and self-obsessed as Finkelstein is, he regulary tells of the demise of his relatives and the experiences of his parents, who are....Holocaust survivors.
timpovikings 1 month ago
@timpovikings
Tim the entire evidence for the Holocaust is survivor testimony and German confessions. You can't take the quotes out of the Holocaust, because without them, there's no Holocaust.
"A great percentage of the mistakes I discovered in my own work, could be attributed to testimonies." - Raul Hilberg
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timpovikings 1 month ago
@lynchie3000
Apparently the alternative to Holocaust is couched in newspaper articles from hick towns, foreskins and sex with dogs.
But what do I know? Thank heavens I know where to come if I need an expert.
timpovikings 1 month ago
@timpovikings
So the survivor testimony of Olga Lengyel, Erna Paris, who claimed Klaus Barbie also trained his dog to mount women, or....
"Several men underwent "cosmetic surgery" as Berman puts it, which was meant to hide the fact that they had been circumcised."
Is the sort of survivor testimony "evidence" you'd not quoted in support of the Holocaust?
lynchie3000 1 month ago
@lynchie3000
!!!
But you isolated them in support of a general theory that broadly says the (entire) Holocaust is a massive and complex lie. I take it you also believe this is how our academic and crime detection institutions work, is it? "He is lying, she is lying, therefore....everyone attached to Holocaust - including scholars - is lying."
That's a doozy.
timpovikings 1 month ago
@timpovikings
Did you know that two of the men ("Academic N. N. Burdenko" & "Mythropolitos Nikolai") who signed the Soviet report (IMT/NMT doc USSR-54)on the Germans perpetrating the Katyn massacre, also signed the official Soviet report on Auschwitz (IMT/NMT doc USSR-008.)
There's an issue here. These men were liars, proven liars, yet their report on Auschwitz is cited (by Hilberg) as evidence of the gas chambers.
lynchie3000 1 month ago
@lynchie3000
Answer please.
Why the duality on Hilberg statements and no-one else's?
timpovikings 1 month ago
@timpovikings
The Guardian
Dec 8th, 1942
"One need not suppose that Hitler has signed an actual order for the destruction of the Jews, which is strongly reported but is at present unconfirned."
Nice early excuse for the lack of the Hitler order, so Hilberg needed not of made-up those two in the original edition of DotEJ.
Hilberg is considered the Don of holocaust scholars. So I'll quote him as an authority, but other times I point out that even the Don worked with reports and testimony of liars.
lynchie3000 1 month ago
@lynchie3000
How you interpret anyone in particular is irrelevant really. The weight of evidence, from all sources, over 60-odd years of study, is of a Holocaust. My point is this alleged hoax has thought of everything except the easiest evidence to manufacture!
If you want gross errors, fabrications and bullshit on Holocaust matters, look no further than some of the 'experts', like Irving, Weber, Faurisson and Zundel ( a real UFO link if ever...etc).
If you can apply duality....
timpovikings 1 month ago
@timpovikings
UFOs? Surely you mean Mrs Thomas "Sobibor" Blatt, editor of Holocaust papers and lecturer on aliens from Sirius living amongst us.
Yes your "weight of evidence" is testimony, lots and lots of testimony.
The Nazis never gassed Jews. And you know it.
lynchie3000 1 month ago
@lynchie3000
No, the weight of evidence, opinion, legal judgements and ongoing study, supports Holocaust.
The reciprocal evidence of conspiracy - as we have just seen - is certainly more eclectic. But just between you and me, a typo isn't evidence of anything but a typo.
You have it as a point of convergence trashing an entire camp history. LOL!
timpovikings 1 month ago
@lynchie3000
To go back to pertinent evidence, this is the standard we have to meet, is it?
"I have it on very good authority, Carlos Whitlock Porter no less, that a Mytropolitos or Metropole is "Some top office in the Russian or Greek Orthodox Church." And "Nikolaus" is a misspelling of Nikolai."
Hearsay and typos. Got it. Goodnight.
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timpovikings 1 month ago
@lynchie3000
You seem keen to cling to only the tip of your iceberg.
Survivors are lying, so everyone is, including the ICRC, 3 generations of academics, every German and democratic government and senior politician in the West, every German court and prosecutor, respected centres of learning on Holocaust like Munich? A global conspiracy so all encompassing, and yet no-one has seen fit to forge a Hitler order to put one big full stop on the end of it.
Please.
timpovikings 1 month ago
@timpovikings I just recently came to research it a little. And the most astounding part is, in Germany and most european country, it is by law at years of prison sentences, forbidden to question the death toll, publish research or opinion that is not in accord with the official story. Is this not suspect? Freedom of speech and research is absent, totally. The guys who published or questioned are fleeing all over the globe. This is no proof for nothing, but is giving a sign.
trupiil 1 month ago
@trupiil
"It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself."
- Thomas Jefferson
"... abandon completely the ... opinion that the sun stands still at the center of the world and the earth moves, and henceforth not to hold, teach, or defend it in any way whatever, either orally or in writing; otherwise the Holy Office would start proceedings against him."
- Vatican Special Injunction against Galileo, 26 February 1616
lynchie3000 1 month ago
@trupiil
Denial law is embraced in the same legislation which penalises denial of all third reich events, such as Oradour, Lidice, the Sagan murders or the Rohm Purge.
Why aren't you complaining about that?
Lesbians, black people, rivers, fetuses, pavements, horses and air have laws. Why not victims of oppression?
timpovikings 1 month ago
@timpovikings Why would someone forbid someone else to question the research of a warcrime? I don't get it. Soviest were liars and genocidal, USA is as criminal as good and I am fordbidden to research, even access publications, testimonies by people who differ in opinion or research about the crime? It's a made up protection. The victims have no right to prevent research and dissent. I am just beginning to look into the matter and I am risking prosecution because I am a curious man, its wrong.
trupiil 1 month ago
@timpovikings
I didn't know you supported the Geocentrism-esque Holocaust denial laws Tim.
If only they're been brought in before earlier, we could've seen Hilberg and Reitlinger imprisoned for pooh-poohing the 4,000,000 Auschwitz figure.
lynchie3000 1 month ago
@lynchie3000
That's the point, in one respect.
Denial laws weren't always there, which makes it odd that you can't find a denial.
timpovikings 1 month ago
@timpovikings
You support laws which imprison people, born as recently as 1994, for doubting your new religion. But at the same time expect people to believe Germans who'd worked at the camps, were allowed to state their honest opinion without fear of recourse. LMAO.
lynchie3000 1 month ago
@lynchie3000
Anyone can leak or expose anything these days.
It's been 66 years mate. Is there a 'B' side?
timpovikings 1 month ago
@timpovikings
So what's your opinion on the Katyn & Auschwitz reports being compiled by the same authors?
lynchie3000 1 month ago
@lynchie3000
Are the compilers identical?
timpovikings 1 month ago
@timpovikings
2 guys appeared on both:
USSR-54 (Katyn)
"Member of the Special State Commission, Academic N. N. Burdenko"
"Member of the Special State Commission, Mythropolitos Nikolai"
USSR-008 (Auschwitz)
"The Academic N. N. Burdenko"
"The Mytropolitos Nikolaus"
lynchie3000 1 month ago
@lynchie3000
ROFLMFAOOOOOOO!
So....not the same authors, then.
Classic.
timpovikings 1 month ago
@timpovikings
Pissed again Tim?
Yep, two of the liars who compiled the Katyn report, also compiled the Auschwitz report.
lynchie3000 1 month ago
@lynchie3000
2 guys?
Or one plus a typo?
You really must review the bullshit portfolio, mate. For someone who demands such high standards incoming, your outgoing is a little suspect.
Don't teeter over the brink.....you very nearly descended into muppet territory tonight.
XXX
timpovikings 1 month ago
@timpovikings
You've got the Red Series there, look them up: Volume 39, pages 290 & 241.
They were translated from Russian, of course, which explains the "typo." Or are you suggesting there was more than one mytropolitos in the Extraordinary Special State Commission for the Study of Crimes of the German Nazi Aggressors?
lynchie3000 1 month ago
@lynchie3000
I'm suggesting that if I cited a corroborative document supporting my position, where the authors were not 'the same' and I had it on the 'very good authority' of a vested interest that a typo was part of that corroboration, you'd reject it with similar hilarity.
But as I say, goose and gander. If you can extol duality and bring things like foreskins and bestiality to the debate, don't make a hypocrite out of yourself by demanding hard proof.
timpovikings 1 month ago
@timpovikings
Foreskins and bestiality are in survivor testimony. And we now how important that is.
The typos obvious, I've not that on anyone's authority. Just what his title meant.
I've since found out what Mithropolitos Nikolai's full name was. I let you in when I've done some more investigating. But you merely concentrating on Николай being translated as Nikolai or Nikolus by different translators just show how weak your case is.
lynchie3000 1 month ago
@lynchie3000
Foreskins/bestiality do not, cannot, never did and never will, have any beariing on Holocaust.
The typos obvious - to you.
I don't concentrate on anything you don't first and I'm not making a case, you are.
Try to keep in mind this is a narrative that IS the received wisdom; one you don't accept, deny and seek to refute. The Soviets figure prominently apparently, and yet couldn't pull off the lesser scam of Katyn or find a 4 million source.
67 years and counting...
timpovikings 1 month ago
@timpovikings
Bestiality is in the memoirs of Olga Lengyel.
Her memoirs are cited by Raul Hilberg in the "standard work" on the Ho£ocaust. Fact.
Sure, sure, the Soviets didn't admit the truth of Katyn until 1990, the same year theirs, Deborah Lipstadt's & Martin Gilbert's 4,000,000 figure went down.
67 years and counting... yep its sure changed mightily over that time. That's why we've laws now to protect it. It's precious and very, very delicate.
lynchie3000 1 month ago
@lynchie3000
Delicate! It's so delicate every major revisionist attached to this has been caught lying about it, fabricating their evidence or editing the testimony they all imply is false anyway. Krege is currently right up to his eyebrows in crap.
Torture. There is none. Not if you can only find contradictions. Or was Hoess so well primed that they forgot the 4 million number and threw in Wolzek just for the adrenalin buzz of it all crashing down when they found it wasn't on the map?
timpovikings 1 month ago
@timpovikings
That's the thing about lying, you've got to keep lying to keep it going. So soon the inconstancies show.
Krege saw what happened to Germar Rudolf. That's why he never published.
Will have to wait and see what Colls produces. No Revisionist denies many died, and were even murdered at the Treblinka camps. Just that they weren't steamed/suctioned/dieseled/petrolled to death.
lynchie3000 1 month ago
@lynchie3000
"No Revisionist denies many died, and were even murdered at the Treblinka camps"
Krege did, so did Toben, so did Mattogno, so did Graf. I've seen the damage control at RODOH. All of a sudden, Krege did find stuff and yes, people now did die at Treblinka. No shit. Krege openly denied Treblinka exterminations based on his survey. It's not a matter of if he's going to look stupid, only when.
Delicate? I'd say Krege's arse is pouting like a beached bloater about now.
timpovikings 1 month ago
@timpovikings
Many means 100s Tim.
After 70 years the Holocaust Inc. has finally decided to look for some evidence at Treblinka, which is commendable. But if she finds mass graves you realise that's against the Treblinka narrative; of all the bodies being cremated.
lynchie3000 1 month ago
@lynchie3000
There were bodies cremated....at Treblinka? A narrative even? And one you're now keen to measure her work against?
Progress indeed. I should sleep like a baby.
timpovikings 1 month ago
@lynchie3000
Krege now has to release his survey and explain either how he missed so much, how he discovered what Sturdy Colls did and yet lied about it - or why he never carried out a survey. On a fuck-up scale of 1 to 10, he's off the end of the scale.
It turns out a GPR expert (Conyers) has also said that his one published, uncubed transect, does in fact show what he says it doesn't. In fact, the disturbance is at various depths and very 'noisy'.
Delicate, my nuts.
timpovikings 1 month ago
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timpovikings 1 month ago
@lynchie3000
You like to say I know there were no gas chambers. The reality is, and it's some paradox, you know there was no orchestrated hoax. That's why you look for contradiction anywhere and everywhere within the Holocaust. You suggest people were compelled to give relevant testimony in keeping with 'a plan' - and yet your whole argument lies in contradictions and errors.
They messed up Katyn long before the IMT sat, but left their names on the Auschwitz script?
Someone help me up.
timpovikings 1 month ago
@timpovikings
Watched Simon Sharma's History of Britain? (google: "English atrocity propaganda from 1641, it's strangely familiar"). Gruelpropaganda is part and parcel of war. The Jews excelled at it in WW2, they of course had their goals: 1. Creation of a Jewish state. 2. Jews to move to that state. I've proved again and again, that Jews knew the exactly 6,000,000 Jews would be killed by the Germans, as early as 1939.
"every major revisionist attached to this has been caught lying about it" BS
lynchie3000 1 month ago
@lynchie3000
Yeah, I know. You proved this and shot down that - and can't give me a law which prevents the crime it's enacted against or - in keeping with most conspiracy theorists - explain how such a clever set of people hook in the nazis, the SS and three generations of scholars to keep all the secrets that were always out in the open from as far back as Adam.
Who says exactly 6 million were killed by the Germans?
timpovikings 1 month ago
@timpovikings
"Who says exactly 6 million were killed by the Germans?"
"At the Nuremberg Trials it was established beyond a shadow of doubt that six million Jews were destroyed."
- Chaim Weizmann, president of the World Zionist Organisation, and Israel's founding president, at the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry on Palestine on March 8, 1946 (only that 12 of the Nuremberg trials hadn't even started, and wouldn't conclude until April 1949.)
Many more examples can be easily shown.
lynchie3000 1 month ago
@lynchie3000
It doesn't look good for us at all, mate.
Perhaps you should nip down there and show Krege what you have in foreskins, doggy sex and hillbilly red tops.
See you when the fog lifts.
timpovikings 1 month ago
@lynchie3000
Give me a law which prevents the crime it's legislated to work against...?
timpovikings 1 month ago
@timpovikings I came to my first serious doubts when I read "Auschwitz - the silence of Heidegger" some 30 pages by Prof. Roger Dommergue, a jew. It's on the net. He gives serious starting points, for example Prof Rassinier, who was himself a victim of camps and had bad lifelong health because of camp inmate time. He had to win a 6 year court battle against the state to be allowed to say what HE experienced in the camps. Something is not right. Maybe having a look before dismissal is justified.
trupiil 1 month ago
@trupiil
The legislatures and judiciaries of most democracies are there to establish, enforce and uphold truth. 'The Truth' therefore cannot support itself before it is extablished and rationally defined, and some enforcement must ensue when it is questioned. Denial laws are designed to prevent any toehold for a re-awakening of nazism and or dictatorships usurping democracy by democratic means, as nazism is sometimes described.
If such laws affect your quality of life, you have no life.
timpovikings 1 month ago
@timpovikings Government has no business to judge truth, never had and never should. History and research should be subject to every mans conscious scrutiny and no law prohibit research or freedom of opinion. It is totalitarian what you argue for. And Soviet genocidalists and USA criminals to establish a narrative that never could ever be questioned in public is ridiculous and criminal minded in my view.
trupiil 1 month ago
@trupiil
Which denial law prohibits research?
timpovikings 1 month ago
@trupiil
I have the wordings of some of the 'denial' laws in front of me, which of the examples that you are aware of prohibit research?
timpovikings 1 month ago
@timpovikings The whole papers that are forbidden in germany are research that is prohibited. I live in Germany. In university or school you can under no circumstance question the holo or read or cite papers that are forbidden.
trupiil 1 month ago
@trupiil
Some of the larger document archives are in Germany, as is the Munich Institute.
Quote me a law which prohibits research.
timpovikings 1 month ago
@timpovikings
You can not publish or speak publicly in Germany anything with is contra to the Canonical holocaust story. Quibbling that it doesn't ban research is irrelevant.
lynchie3000 1 month ago
@timpovikings Well maybe you are right in a way. I supposed that the works of many are forbidden in Germany and counted them as research. I am rather new to this. Let me tell you as a german, the moment you say one wrong word on ww2 or holo doubts or anything you are in big trouble here.
trupiil 1 month ago
@trupiil
If you have a complaint about being a German, maybe you should ask your forefathers why that is?
Who you are is also irrelevant - and you're wrong - there are no laws in Germany prohibiting research on your very own history.
timpovikings 1 month ago
@timpovikings Every publication which is not in accord with holo story by law is prohibited from publication in Germany. Access is denied also. This is prohibiting research. And my forefathers were brave and fought the brutal versailles obligations. The whole US history is doctored I know by now.
trupiil 1 month ago
@trupiil
You're in front of the biggest information source on the planet. If you have any problem getting publications, you can't be very imaginative if you don't know how to solve that. Your forefathers supported unreasonable aggression to some degree. It wasn't an honourable war.
If governments don't involve themselves with the law and legal truth, they will not be accountable to it. If they are not accountable, there is no democracy. If you have a better option, run for election.
timpovikings 1 month ago
@timpovikings Even the vids on holo are blocked here. Anyway we disagree on many things. I say good night. I recently found out about my forefathers fight for their families, kids and country was honorable. It started earlier before ww1 and lets just disagree.
trupiil 1 month ago
@trupiil
..and is the M.I. aware of it? LOL!
timpovikings 1 month ago
@timpovikings
Yes, the works of a member of the Israel government who died in 1960 are "old writings."
lynchie3000 1 month ago
@lynchie3000
Whatever you say.
I never argue with an expert on the male genitalia and child sex.
timpovikings 1 month ago
@timpovikings
You just defend the right of Jews to have sex with infants.
Nice.
lynchie3000 1 month ago
now i know why the Jews they don't pay there gas bill
TheMoust40 2 months ago
the Curator of auschwitz was recorded on video stating that the gas chambers were complete reconstructions by the communist russians so saying this is the original is a lie
scmthrasher 2 months ago
@scmthrasher I doubt he used precisely those words. The gas chambers at Birkenau were never rebuilt, so far as I am aware. What was rebuilt was the test chamber at the main camp (the one with Arbeit Macht Frei above the entrance). This test chamber was originally used for storage, converted to test for gas executions, and then converted back for other uses once the facilities at Birkenau were up. The postwar rebuilding was to put it back to look the way it was during its testing stage.
Lech683 1 month ago
@scmthrasher This story that the execution at the main camp was built postwar is one the old hoary stories the deniers often tell. They don't bother telling the whole story, of course, since that would not advance their goal. It's a standard propaganda ploy - lying by omission.
Lech683 1 month ago
@Lech683 Ernst Zundel has the curator of auschwitz on video tape stating that the "gas chambers" shown to tourists as the gas chambers that were used to gas 1.1million jews were reconstructions after the russians had supposedly turned rooms caked with cyanide into bomb shelters...its on video right here on youtube
scmthrasher 1 month ago
excellent title
zaostrog 2 months ago
anyone interested in "freedom of speech" or "truth" would have NO problem seeking the actual truth, instead of blindly believing that the Powers-That-Be were honest for the FIRST time in human history.
how many lies, cover-ups, distortions of truth, etc, does it take before people begin realizing--DUDE, THEY LIE ABOUT EVERYTHING.
apparently NOT about the Holocaust though--apparently in this ONE solitary case, the Powers-That-Be got the facts PERFECT the first time around.
ballocks.
rofflemows2 2 months ago 13
(contd) Denying the biggest taking of freedom ever done by man on his fellows prepares the way for a new H. The law, by making H denial illegal recognises this fact. If people disbelive the H ever happened, despite massive evidence there is no guarantee that history will not repeat itself. Mass murder, genocide and racist laws can recurr with impunity in the sure knowledge that someone down the line is going to deny it ever happened. We're suppossed to learn from history, not try and change it.
smike53 3 months ago
@smike53 ... are you a jew or just someone who hasnt seen eric hunt's work, david cole's or 1/3 a holocaust?
pt1gard 3 months ago
@pt1gard
...read my comments, not the trumped up work of yet another set of H. deniers. Try and relate to the issues I've pointed out. Thanks.
smike53 3 months ago
@smike53 so dont question history even if it doesnt make sense or else you are condoning mass murder ... got it!
scmthrasher 2 months ago
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@scmthrasher
The key to understanding is in your reply.
"even if it doesnt make sense" We agree then that the chronicles of the H. do not make sense. They don't since they are so unbelievably horrific and inhuman and it pases all understanding.
I now ask myself:whence comes the quest for denial? Is it because we cant reconcile such horrors with humanity? Is it because of our quest for truth?
If u want to know the answer to that one read thru the comments below..
smike53 2 months ago
As a fervent admirer of free speech I often wonder how cum the denial thing is so strictly dealt with. However the answer is firmly embedded in the question: Why bother deny? Can it be that Holocaust denial is an expression of the sincere search for truth? I dont think so. H. denial is more an attempt to distort history fueled by motives completely unrelated to the values of truth or freedom. On the contrary. (contd)
smike53 3 months ago
Sorry mate-not convincing. Your trying to refute testimonies of thousands all over the world,victims & Nazis alike, by bringing your own sad misplaced versions of what you think really happened. This rather lame pointing out of pics from books only shows how weak your position really is. This obssession with denial begs the question: Why bother? Why make it your life's work to rewrite history when the truth is so obvious? Apart from a few who jump on the revisionist thing-whats the point?(contd)
smike53 3 months ago
@smike53 no, not sooo obvious, man ..not sooo obvious ..i used to think JUST LiKE you ..think again ..just allow yourself to think again ..that's all!
leesoarez 2 months ago
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@leesoarez
Methinks that perhaps you havent read my 3 comments. Please read them, after all you seem to be an advocate of the "open mind" and "rethinking".. (Rethinking=revisionism).
I'd like to repeat just the end of my comments:
"Mass murder, genocide and racist laws can recurr with impunity in the sure knowledge that someone down the line is going to deny it ever happened. We're supposed to learn from history, not try and change it." - when it doesnt suit our world view.
smike53 2 months ago
Whatever you think the FACT remains that it is disgusting to stop people printing history as they see it and jail them for it
keflar5 3 months ago
@keflar5 I agree - it is disgusting to jail people for holding stupid opinions. But I don't know of many places were that happens. Some European countries imprison people for that, but not Canada or the US. Deniers who have suffered legally in Canada were for offences other than denial. Keegstra was punished for promoting hatred, not denial.
Lech683 1 month ago
@Lech683 You "don't know" of many places or you just have not check the facts, trying to jail scientists because their results contradict the official lie or locking up historians......but hey you just "don't know" about these things. Deniers? How about you use your own fucking language instead of hateful horrible phrases spoon fed to you, how is someone a denier when they ask a question or demand an answer. Who is denying who exactly? The fact is I worked this shit out with simple maths THINK
keflar5 1 month ago
@keflar5 OK. So enlighten me. Where are all these jailings happening? I admit that I don't spend a whole lot of time looking events of that sort. I happen to know of the Keegstra case because it was local. I use 'deniers' because it's a common term and understood by all. If it offends you I can use 'heretical historians'. I don't call someone a denier for asking questions. I call people deniers when they claim there were no extermination facilities at Birkenau, Sobibor, and Treblinka.
Lech683 1 month ago
@Lech683 Oh no please enlighten me, I don't like the fact that my beliefs mean that I am hated by people like yourself who cannot provided me with any proof whatsoever and then when I check through the facts it turns out that massive lies were and are being told about it. I would love you to prove me wrong I really would
keflar5 1 month ago
@keflar5 On what do you base your contention that I hate you? I certainly do not - not any more than I hate people who think that aliens are beaming thoughts into their heads. I do think, however, that you are delusional. In terms of proof, I kinda think that nothing I might say or refer to would make any difference.
Lech683 1 month ago
@Lech683 So it is some pedantic crap about how I said you hated me which I did not FAIL with a little childish Ad Hominem sprinked on top FAIL and not one bit of evidence of 6 million people being gassed FAIL. Nothing you say could change my mind? WHY? I will tell you why BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO FUCKING PROOF SO STOP CRYING ABOUT IT. If I said that the figures of coke ordered for Auschwitz matched up with the death books handed over by the Russians years later matched up exactly would you care
keflar5 1 month ago
@keflar5 I don't believe that 6 million people were gassed.
Lech683 1 month ago
@keflar5 For me, the closest evidence that I have had is the testimony of Sigmund Sobolewski. He was picked up by the Germans at age 17 by the Germans and sent to Auschwitz where he survived for the next five years. His story is related in "Prisoner 88 - The Man In Stripes". I have met Sobolewski on a number of occasions and find no reason to doubt his story. Sobolewski is not a Jew, but an ethic Catholic Pole.
Lech683 1 month ago
@Lech683 So the best evidence you have of a mass extermination programme involving millions of people is the testimony of one man? I can understand that this would be the biggest "proof" for you personaly but if that is really the sort of evidence you have for me then it just proves how little actual evidence you have and it is not like you can't go on you tube and find liar after liar spit their rediculous stories about the camps is it?
keflar5 1 month ago
@keflar5 It's only the best in the sense that Sobolewski is a veteran of Auschwitz with whom I have talked the longest. I've certainly read countless other accounts, and heard the testimonies of other survivors.
Lech683 1 month ago
@Lech683 You know how many lies have been proved about the camps then don't you? Not a single bit of paper with any evidence of gassings? It is admitted that the chambers were fixed up after the war but not admitted to public. Why on earth would someone build a chimney not connected to any building? Why would it be illeagal to ask questions? Why would they cart people half way across europe to kill them? Why would they shave peoples heads if they were going to kill them? I could go on all day
keflar5 1 month ago
@keflar5 There were certainly a lot of things said about the camps that turned out not to be true. For example, the claim that 4 million people died at Auschwitz. Better investigation derived a more accurate count. One gas chamber was 'fixed up' after the war. And I explained why that was in another comment. What chimneys unconnected to buildings do you have in mind? It's not illegal to ask questions. They carted people across Europe to keep the exterminations a secret.
Lech683 1 month ago
@Lech683 At what point does someone ask themselves why all these lies were and are being told? They carted them across europe because the story had to be changed. It was claimed that gassings were going on everywhere but the only place that could not be investigated was Poland WOW WHAT A SHOCK. Its the complete lack of logic that blows my mind, do you think the Germans cremated millions of people? Do you have any idea how much that would cost in time and money? The whole thing is a sick joke
keflar5 1 month ago
@keflar5 Lies are told all the time about all sorts of events. Sometimes it's because people are misinformed, sometimes because people skew things to suit their personal viewpoints. Lies are told about the JFK assassination. Lies are told about World War II. Every country has developed its own accepted version of what WWII was about, how they won it, and how pure their effort was. Sometimes these national histories conflict with each other.
Lech683 1 month ago
@Lech683 Lies are told by everyone so who is to say what a lie is? lol Fucking lawyer talk, sometimes a lie is a lie on purpose WOW who would of thought. Did they make soap out of people NO, did they fit up room to look like gas chambers? YES, Did the camps have bands, did they have their own currency did they put on plays? YES, is there a single document proving gas or even hinting at gas chambers? NO, at what point does someone "skew"ing the truth turn into a disgusting giant lie?
keflar5 1 month ago
@Lech683 Tell me you think Oswald shot JFK and give us all a laugh, do you REALLY believe that they could cremate that many people? Do you have any idea how expensive it is to cremate someone? How is it that Anne Frank was at three different camps if the policy was to kill children right away? How is it that the figures plummet every time someone even glances at the records? Historical points of view and inventing the gas chamber lie are hardly the same thing are they? No they are not
keflar5 1 month ago
Makes alot of sence to me,an I was pretty neutral on the subject. I now must say my opinion has ,changed quite a bit!
princezak25 4 months ago
The religion comparison is one that makes alot of sense to me. Its one of those things where you are just suppose to take faith to believe it is true. However me having some thinking skills makes me think if someone dosnt want me to question something they are hiding something. Because if it were true then they wouldnt mind me examining it from every angle for I would know that it is true.
YouWillSufferUntoMe 4 months ago
When was this recorded?
abvmoose87 4 months ago