When I am trying to move a certain point of the lightsaber perimeter, it creates a new point instead; when I click on the point to move it, the program simply creates a new one next to the point which I want to move. This is aggravating because I can't figure out how to move certain points of the lightsaber perimeter. Can you advise me about what I might be doing wrong?
@LegitFish When you initially create the mask, Cinelerra does sometimes create two points in the same place - I think you can see this occur in the tutorial, but it should not do so after that. You should be able to click on the point and drag it. The only thing I can suggest is clicking very carefully. If you click anywhere *other* than one of the already created mask points, then you WILL create a new one. Is it possibly you are clicking next to the mask point rather than *on* it?
@LegitFish this was made on 2.1 CV. I now have 2.1.5 CV and I think 2.2 will be available shortly. As to your previous question, sorry for not replying sooner; I've never actually tried that but the top track should simply replace the tracks beneath it, so I don't think you'd get a more red effect - that said, sometimes in Cinelerra, I do notice a very minimal level of bleedthrough even when I'm using masks (like a tiny bright/dark shift), so try it and see?
Oh, did you hear Lightworks went open source back in April? It's getting ported over to Linux and Mac OS X in Q4 2011. It's definitely going to be the best open source video editing platform on Linux (don't know how good Autodesk's commercial stuff is though).
@haxfactory yes i'm definitely looking forward to it. i'm a BIG fan of Cinelerra but it lacks a large enough community and enough developers to keep it as up to date as it needs to be (no diss intended; the people who maintain it do an AMAZING job of providing a fantastic, free program, and one I use a LOT). So yeah, nervous about the learning curve for a new program but very excited to see what it's like.
@cybridproductions i'm in the lucky situation of having not really found a workflow in any program yet. i've traveled back and forth between pro program trials on windows, cinelerra, and imovie hd on my old powermac g4. i am impressed with cinelerra especially having been written from the start as an open source product. lightworks started closed source probably has a more stable base for that reason (despite how much i love open source, close source software does tend to be more stable).
can't you use track motion with masks in cinelerra? that way you don't have to keyframe everything. just place something on the sword like a colorful dot or something, then track the colorful dot (it's gotta be something pretty easy to track or cinelerra could have issues following it).
@haxfactory it wouldn't work - you'd 1) have to make sure the colourful dot was always facing the camera and 2) while you could motion track that, the *shape* of the sword changes on the screen due to perspective and speed - if you look, I have to widen and shorten the mask depending on what angle the sword is being held at - so you could get a rectangle to follow the motion of the sword, yes, but it wouldn't be very well masked over the sword itself. Shame cus you're right, it'd be much easier!
@cybridproductions yeah, now that you mention it i can see what you mean. it wouldn't really be able to handle depth, so the perspective would be all wrong.
you dont need keyframe on every frame... try every 10 frames. Also lightsabers look better with 5 or six layers each with a different ammount of blur.
@aradioactivedonut I definitely disagree with you on only masking every ten frames - that works with smooth motion but not always something as fast as swords - it can also be good to eat the lack of accuracy if you're dealing with, say, a person and the edge of the mask "ripples" instead of moving slowly but that doesn't tend to be a problem with something simply shapes & fastmoving like a sword. But I didn't think to layer the blur - that's a good tip I'll have to try, thanks. :)
Great! No bullshittin, but still nice to understand even for a beginner! And I like the general idea of ur topic based tutorials - looking forward to watching further tutorials
is that ubuntu?
reuven2001612 3 months ago
When I am trying to move a certain point of the lightsaber perimeter, it creates a new point instead; when I click on the point to move it, the program simply creates a new one next to the point which I want to move. This is aggravating because I can't figure out how to move certain points of the lightsaber perimeter. Can you advise me about what I might be doing wrong?
LegitFish 4 months ago
@LegitFish When you initially create the mask, Cinelerra does sometimes create two points in the same place - I think you can see this occur in the tutorial, but it should not do so after that. You should be able to click on the point and drag it. The only thing I can suggest is clicking very carefully. If you click anywhere *other* than one of the already created mask points, then you WILL create a new one. Is it possibly you are clicking next to the mask point rather than *on* it?
cybridproductions 4 months ago
@cybridproductions,
Yes, that is possible. Thanks for the advice.
LegitFish 4 months ago
What version of Cinelerra do you use?
LegitFish 4 months ago
@LegitFish this was made on 2.1 CV. I now have 2.1.5 CV and I think 2.2 will be available shortly. As to your previous question, sorry for not replying sooner; I've never actually tried that but the top track should simply replace the tracks beneath it, so I don't think you'd get a more red effect - that said, sometimes in Cinelerra, I do notice a very minimal level of bleedthrough even when I'm using masks (like a tiny bright/dark shift), so try it and see?
cybridproductions 4 months ago
Can you make the lightsaber more red by adding more of the exact same red color blocks on separate tracks at the same place in the timeline?
LegitFish 4 months ago
Oh, did you hear Lightworks went open source back in April? It's getting ported over to Linux and Mac OS X in Q4 2011. It's definitely going to be the best open source video editing platform on Linux (don't know how good Autodesk's commercial stuff is though).
haxfactory 6 months ago
@haxfactory yes i'm definitely looking forward to it. i'm a BIG fan of Cinelerra but it lacks a large enough community and enough developers to keep it as up to date as it needs to be (no diss intended; the people who maintain it do an AMAZING job of providing a fantastic, free program, and one I use a LOT). So yeah, nervous about the learning curve for a new program but very excited to see what it's like.
cybridproductions 6 months ago
@cybridproductions i'm in the lucky situation of having not really found a workflow in any program yet. i've traveled back and forth between pro program trials on windows, cinelerra, and imovie hd on my old powermac g4. i am impressed with cinelerra especially having been written from the start as an open source product. lightworks started closed source probably has a more stable base for that reason (despite how much i love open source, close source software does tend to be more stable).
haxfactory 6 months ago
can't you use track motion with masks in cinelerra? that way you don't have to keyframe everything. just place something on the sword like a colorful dot or something, then track the colorful dot (it's gotta be something pretty easy to track or cinelerra could have issues following it).
haxfactory 6 months ago
@haxfactory it wouldn't work - you'd 1) have to make sure the colourful dot was always facing the camera and 2) while you could motion track that, the *shape* of the sword changes on the screen due to perspective and speed - if you look, I have to widen and shorten the mask depending on what angle the sword is being held at - so you could get a rectangle to follow the motion of the sword, yes, but it wouldn't be very well masked over the sword itself. Shame cus you're right, it'd be much easier!
cybridproductions 6 months ago
@cybridproductions yeah, now that you mention it i can see what you mean. it wouldn't really be able to handle depth, so the perspective would be all wrong.
haxfactory 6 months ago
you dont need keyframe on every frame... try every 10 frames. Also lightsabers look better with 5 or six layers each with a different ammount of blur.
aradioactivedonut 1 year ago
@aradioactivedonut I definitely disagree with you on only masking every ten frames - that works with smooth motion but not always something as fast as swords - it can also be good to eat the lack of accuracy if you're dealing with, say, a person and the edge of the mask "ripples" instead of moving slowly but that doesn't tend to be a problem with something simply shapes & fastmoving like a sword. But I didn't think to layer the blur - that's a good tip I'll have to try, thanks. :)
cybridproductions 1 year ago
Great! No bullshittin, but still nice to understand even for a beginner! And I like the general idea of ur topic based tutorials - looking forward to watching further tutorials
Straaasse 1 year ago
more linux!
frvfilms 1 year ago
Fantastic!!
vaasnaad 1 year ago
Awesome job :) thanks!
Bl1ndin9 1 year ago
thanxx for sharing !!
IndieBudgetMovie 1 year ago
great tutorial
TheNews1990 1 year ago
Brilliant! This tutorial
'jakedth . tumblr . com / post /85794790 /cinelerra-cv-motion-tracking-tutorial '
added to your idea might speed up the process quite a lot.
Nice job!
JohnnyAlpha1000 1 year ago