I love how people are being more open about themselves and how others are much more accepting. Embrace every quality about yourself and your loved ones. I love the people's generous words and stories in the video. God bless.
Most of my friends are gay. I am pansexual. My boyfriend is straight, but likes to dress like a woman. I love that we can all be open about who we are with each other instead of thinking about what everyone must think of us.
i m gay and i wanna support for pink gay and hope next year pink dot can open more for all the ppl not only singaporian becoz we all the same.i m one of u that why i wanna come and join u.and one more thing hope got more ppl can understand abt us.not even go go and simply said "shut up and sit down "or "we have no respect ur elder " sorry that was wrong .thank for every thing for pink gay around the word.thank alot pink dot singapore
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God, everyone with good intentions in the video just makes Singapore sound so provincial, tho truth is - Singapore is kampung on the inside (S'pore is a conservative society, remember?!!) The REAL issue for acceptance is FRANKLY - how does the pink gender help raise economic gains for the country? We all know that but typically, like all things in S'pore, no one talks about the real issue. Beating around the bush to butter up Big Brother is the name of the game.
Celebrate 15 years of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender PRIDE in the Philippines, join the anniversary Pride Parade in Baguio City, the Philippines on June 28, 2009 - meeting place at the Session Road @ 8:00 a.m. - supported by Metropolitan Community Churches in the Philippines and Progay Philippines. Please bring your rainbow flags and your straight family members
Whiteninja2001, no one is saying that by commenting, it means forcing ideas down ppl's throat. However, religion is a private practice & when you keep on preaching your bible to ppl not interested to know, that can be considered as forcing in an indirect way. Sure you can comment and discuss, however, your comment abt homosexuality has been ignorant and illogical. You related gay lifestyle with crimes such as killing, torture and drug abuse. What logic is that?
I repeat, tat we have never said tat we r more righteous/perfect than anyone. We r sinners, who r in need of God's forgiveness 2.
We do not want people 2 think our way, but we do hope tat they can see from God's Way.
I also understand tat my God say 'If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.' and 'Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither ... nor men who practice homosexuality'
You ARE forcing your religious view onto people because you were spitting out all your bible verse abt homosexuality on this channel. Pinkdot is a secular event abt supporting the idea tat LGBT have the right to love and be loved. Tat's why I said, u need to get clear what is equal right, what is private & wat is public. Religion is a private practice & by going around here telling ppl abt the bible's verse on homosexuality, which we dun want to know nor interested, is that not indirect forcing?
Well I'm glad I went to this event in any case despite what comments may be floating around here. In the end, all I can say is that having realised I was gay since my teenage years, and having been supported all this while by my lifetime straight friends and gay friends I think I speak for many of us saying that the "freedom to love" is finally spreading. And I'm starting to feel like I'm at home in where I belong. =]
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Hi Lokies,
If ur lives worth is found in people support, then i seriously consider that you find your real worth somewhere else.
We Christians DO NOT say that we are right or that we are superior to anyone, we recognize that we are totally sinful and are in need of a Savior to save us. But, we have to reject this 'alternative' lifestyle because it is God who determines what is right or wrong, not us. We never think we are right, God is and we follow what He says.
As a westerner from a western society I warn Singapore not to allow this lifestyle to spread. In the west everything is legalised in the name of "tolerance" and "diversity", however look what we have come to! I warn the people of Singapore not to go down this path. This is a warning from a westerner who has seen the results of this in his society.
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I'm completely disgusted beyond words. These people are asking us to accept their perversion, their irresponsible lifestyle and harmful behavior. Our society will be ravaged if this cancer continues to spread.
pigcanfly007, these people are trying to support the idea that there are people and friends around us, who are LGBTs. They are supporting the idea that it is okay to love and be loved, no matter what your sexual orientation is. Because we are all humans. If you have friends or colleagues who are gays, would you dare to go up to their face and repeat what you just said here at their face? Or would you be a hypocrite in covert who only dares to express your cynical ideas behind a computer screen?
If you're truly disgusted by perversion, irresponsible lifestyle, harmful behavior and worried for this society's well being, why not you go sell condoms at geylang? Or maybe you can hold a banner that says "Stop Prostitution".
It would be a better way to stop such "society cancer" by starting from the majority, which of course are the hetrosexuals, you think?
I love this video and really admire those who worked for it to be produced.
Curiously, some people like Whiteninja2001 are obsessed with gay people and have unhealthy attention-seeking issues. Are they suffering from self-hatred or self-denial?
Homophobia is clearly a sign of a weak mind - just like racism or sexism.
But there are less and less bigots - equality will come to all.
I believe in freedom of love. it's a basic form of human rights, like breathing or eating. If gay people are humans too. aren't they allowed to love? I have friends who are gay and i respect them :) GO PINKDOT!
Then it's a good thing that most GLBT people are not part of every traditional religion then, 'innit?
Yes, and I'm sure two years in a dirty cell will set those gays straight, won't it? I'm not sure how being in prison would help them contribute more to society, but I'm guessing you're an expert and have outdone the research by multiple established institutions that say that homosexuality is perfectly normal.
I wouldn't agree to what you say regarding the 2nd part about putting them into prison. But i do think that we can help them to see that this is a choice rather than an in-built problem, but not in a prison setting. We will want to help them, go through with them, care for them, pray for them. Not approving with them doesn't mean we condemn them.
By imprisonment I meant rehab with therapies such as electroshock being used to cure their condition. It's not a choice -- it's a mental problem like Schizophrenia.
No, i do not believe in using violence to treat any problem. So i cannot agree to your electroshock therapy.
I do not think that our ends justify our means to achieving it. I'm sure there are other ways to solve this problem other than violence that we should look into.
This country is bound to the Constitution, not the bible or the koran. This is the land of the free, and we ALL have a right to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness". And we are ALL free from having to view god in the same narrow view you have. Marriage and civil rights are CIVIL matters. Who ever said ANYTHING about "do anything you want"??? That's absurd. With rights come responsibilities. They just should be applied to ALL equally and fairly, in "the land of the free"
If you truly want to see freedom, why not study America? They have gone ahead with whatever they wanted. Have their moral value or standard increase? Are people becoming more tolerance towards each other? Are they more loving?
If we can observe that America has not been doing better than before, what makes us think that by going down the same path they took we will be any different? Will we not degenerate like them?
what the hell are u talking about? Be clear about the situation. we are pushing for the acceptance for all forms of love. U are talking about america and its constitution ,which is so different from singapore's. U are sidetracking the issue
Yes, i believe in equal rights for all, but equal rights to what? To do anything you want?
And if you really want to give equal rights, why is it that you are giving rights for them to be public, BUT not allowing religion to be public? Aren't you then not giving us our rights? So i conclude that you do not believe in equal rights for all?
whiteninga2001, you need to get your facts straight abt what is public, what is personal & what is equal right. Religion is a personal practice in SG even if it is part of our secular society. You can promote religion in public, but you have no rights to force your ideas down ppl's throat or preach & spread inaccurate info abt e negativity of LGBT lifestyle. LGBT cannot force people to believe tat Christians lifestyles are bad in public, so why should religions be allowed to do that to the LGBT?
I'm not trying to force my view down people's throat, but we are presenting what we believe, whether you choose to believe it or not is entirely up to you. But i would like to point out to you that they are only 2 groups that we can talk about here, one who supports/approves of homosexual relationship and another that doesn't. Either way, one will force the other, just like what you are doing with your comments.
It is not that we condemn them, but we cannot agree to and with them.
ermmm get things right. who's forcing anyone? are gays forcing u to be gays too? Just leave us alone. I dont even noe why people like u care about who we love. Just give us a break alright?
Just because an action doesn't directly lead to procreation does not, in itself, make that action wrong or unnatural. For example, the act of driving a car will not lead directly to child-creation. But that doesn't not mean driving is wrong or unnatural.
i do agree with what you say about driving a car and not leading to pro-creation. But, so are many activities, and i do not disagree with them. Please do not bring in irrelevant examples in. If people throughout centuries know that it is nature for man and woman to have a loving relationship and procreate, then why cant we understand?
And if you see from nature, there also aren't any relationship that shows that homosexual relationship is natural.
"But, so are many activities, and i do not disagree with them."
Right, but why not? If one thing can be wrong/unnatural because it doesn't lead directly to procreation, then why aren't other non-procreative actions wrong/unnatural? Your logic seems rather disjointed and inconsistent.
Also, legally and/or socially discouraging homosexuality (or whatever it is you're advocating for...) isn't going to magically induce mass propagation. It's not as if prohibiting same-sex intimacy is going to cause millions of people--who previously had no interest in the opposite sex and no interest in having children--to suddenly gain a desire for penis-vagina sex and baby-making. Simply put, I'm not really sure what you hope to accomplish in this very awkward endeavor of yours.
Whiteninja2001. I have 2 say this. You, like some Christians, are cynical and hypocritical. You said certain things yet you deny it. Even after clarifications, your points r nothing more than reinstatement of wat you said. And when did I force ppl to accept my comments? Forcing & persuasion is 2 different thing. I support e idea of live & let live & e notion of non-discrimination 2wards LGBTs & their lifestyles. But you link them with killings, tortures, drug abusing. Wat logic of yours is that?
I'm not sure why u first said that i was forcing my view to others, from what i interpret that by posting here u take it that i'm forcing my view, therefore if u too post ur view on it, i take it that u too are forcing ur view? If not, then can i ask that you recant ur sentence, if not it will be too disleading towards others.
I like to say to condemn and disapprove is 2 things. I do have friends that are homosexual and i tell them that i cannot agree to what their lifestyle is like. I do not support their lifestyle.
But, i do not condemn them by rejecting their friendship or help when they need. I keep in contact with them and show concern for them too.
Whiteninja2001, please read my previous comments again. I said forcing & persuasion is different. This was in reference to your previous message, which implied tat I was forcing my ideas onto ppl, which I asked you, when did I do that. And you have not replied me on tat question. Don't try to reverse my question back to me as I won't fall for such things. It is just like how u reversed the idea of equal rights in e previous message. I know very clearly what I say here. The question is, do you?
But i was refering to your first post that '...You can promote religion in public, but you have no rights to force your ideas down ppl's throat or preach & spread...'
I take it that you think i was forcing my view down, i dont know how you came to this conclusion either, but, tat was why my reply to you was tat.
As a political and social, libertarian perhaps I can offer some insight.
People should have the freedom to choose which gender to form Romantic relationships with. Furthermore, religious people should have this opportunity as well.
But to clear, you, nor anyone else, has the freedom to curtail the freedom of someone else, simply because what they do is "icky" or "confusing" to you. As long as it doesn't harm a non-consensual individual, then there is obviously nothing harmful about it.
Religion is subjective. There are christians, muslims, buddhists, so many religions. We cant say that everyone has to be of this religion and it goes the same as we cant say that everyone has to love the opposite sex.
And what rights do you want? What do you mean that religion is not public? You mean we build temples and churches underground?
I have nothing against homosexuals. my best friend is gay & we have an awesome friendship. but this doesn't negate the fact that homosexuality is a sin against God & that I shouldn't stand by while his relationship with God is marred by this sin. i'm no better than he is. we both need God's grace to repent.
friend, if you see this, i'm sorry i still don't have the courage to tell you all these. as much as i want u to be happy, i want to see you walking right with God more than anything else.
If you're going to quote the Bible as a text and say that God said these things here and here and here in maybe six verses of the entire sixty-six books of the Bible and therefore homosexuality is a sin, then, alright. I hope that you'll read your Bible with conviction from the Holy Spirit, because years of translation have distorted the Word of God.
That said, it's a justice thing, even if you don't agree. Shouldn't homosexuals be equal in the eyes of the secular law? Divorce is legal.
There is a lot of literature out there that explain the errors in interpreting Jewish laws and practices described in the Bible. Believing in God is to have a special relationship with Him independent of what you or anyone else thinks & independent of Jewish practices/laws. Who are you to say your friend needs repentance; that he isn't walking right with God. Stop force feeding your God to others. Not believing there's a God is also a belief itself and needs to be respected.
I'm not against homosexuality, but seriously...I thought Singapore has an anti-gay law-section 377A.
Any male person who, in public or private, commits, or abets the commission of, or procures or attempts to procure the commission by any male person of, any act of gross indecency with another male person, shall be punished with imprisonment for a term which may extend to 2 years.
IF we continue to allow people to go after their 'alternate' preference, towards whatever they like, when will be the stopping point? Will be stand up and support those who prefer to toture or kill? If not, why not? They too deserve their right. If so, what then will be counted as right or wrong? Mere preference?
Do seriously consider the outcome of what we idea we are bring across.
Torturing another person infringes the person's right of not wanting to be tortured, and of course killing another person takes away that person's right to live. You didn't mention bestiality and pedophilia but I will bring them in anyway; both are outrages against animals and children's inability to give consent. And therein lies the crux of the matter: consent. Please don't use these examples when same-sex love is and has always been consensual.
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I'm shocked by what u say. R u saying that if murder or tortured by a willing party is actually acceptable? If right and wrong can be determined by our likes and dislikes, our approval and disapproval is that frightening?
And by saying about human rights, y do u say human have rights at all? Is it not because we r endowed with it by a Creator?
I dun see people going around crying for sheep's right when a lion eats them. If we are products of evolution, do we really have rights?
Humans have rights when sheep don't; but it is not because we are any better than sheep.
We believe in human rights because we live in a society where we choose to agree on what is acceptable and what is not. We agree that it is wrong to steal or murder, for example- sheep have no such agreement.
When we make such mutual agreements, we have the right to have them honoured. That's what, to me, human rights are all about.
If that's how you determine that we have rights and how we determine right and wrong, There's no point to discuss further, maybe in a few years right and wrong by then will change.
One interesting comment by you was 'we choose to agree on what is acceptable and what is not. We agree that it is wrong to steal or murder'.
Why do you think we choose to agree on this rather than agreeing on the opposite of it?
you are absolutely right when you say that right and wrong will change in a few years! our perception of what is right or wrong is not static- there was a time where it was commonly believed that women shouldn't be allowed to vote.
I believe that we choose to agree that theft and murder are wrong because they cause harm and suffering to other people; and it is only logical that for society to progress, we need to minimise such harm. So we punish people who harm others.
oh whats the point of arguing. whiteninja2001, you are absolutely right. same-sex love is a crime on the same level as murdering and torturing another human being.
you must be out of your mind to think gays are murderers and torturers. what have gay love got to do with you or anyone? what harm would they do to you? same-sex love is love between two individuals, not with you or anyone. your comment is outrageous and lack intelligence, a sweeping statement that would incite hatred between human beings. if in times of emergencies and the only person who can assist you is gay, i guess you would rather die, and you rightly deserves it.
In one sense, I'm saying it is wrong because it is a moral issue, we choose to do certain action (murder, torture, ...)
I'm not equaling them with murdering or torturing, but the root of all these sins are that man chooses to do whatever he wants regardless of the standard of right and wrong determined by God.
what made u think i chose to love the way i love? It might be unfortunate for me to not have the "mainstream" sexual orientation coz its really troublesom in singapore. but since im this way id rather embrace it and love what God has created of me.
And im sick of the derived intentions of Gods where christians think its a sin. In the first place humans are the one interpreting the bible. If God were to hate me for me, im born to sin in this world.
Ive answered 2 your first part in another section. Please do read through it
Human do interpret things, the only reason y we are able to speak 2 one another is because u and i are able 2 interpret each others comment. What makes u think that we cannot do that with the bible, which is God's Word? Even then, human 2 interpret things around us including science.
It doesn't matter what God is 2 u or me. But it matters who He really is or is not. what we believe dont change or create Him.
God didnt exactly write the bible, as we all would have known by now. People, wrote the gospel. And the gospels formed the bible. And as we all would also know, only a few gospels were picked to form the bible, and once again, a human being, not God, picked and chose whichever gospel that was to go into or not go into the bible.
Then, the bible was translated so many times.
So, what we are reading today, 2009 years, may not be exactly what God in whichever way He wanted us to, have interpret.
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If you are really interested to see if the bible is reliable and trustworthy. I strongly encourage you to google textual criticism of the bible. You will be amazed by the sheer amount of evidence that supports the trustworthiness of the bible. Also, if you are able. Do get a copy of this book "The New Testament Documents: Are They Reliable?" by F. F. Bruce.
"A fool does not delight in understanding, But only in revealing his own mind."
Thanks for helping us better understand what is a fool, I can see you hogging the comment page and not a word said has been met with your understanding.
At least people here have tried to discussed with u based on the opinions u have brought out. They tried to understand where u come from and give their views from there.
whiteninja2001, not only your arguments are weak, your logic is totally beyond the comprehension even for primary 6 school kids. What evidence do you have to associate gay people with torture and killings? The former is more like a choice of lifestyle, while the latter is a criminal offence. Are you implying that choosing to love is a criminal offence then? Yes, I agree to one point of yours, which is DO consider the outcome of what YOUR idea will bring when brought across to the public... =)
Hi, for the first part, do see my reply to above.
No, I'm not saying that choosing to love is a crime. We can all choose to love anything we want, but whatever we love will have a logical conclusion to it. If i love to play and not study the logical conclusion would be that i have no knowledge, likewise for a drug abuser who love drugs. I'm sure we will not agree that loving per se is wrong. But what we love is the issue.
Lol sry no offense but i can see u are trying really hard. but to be honest what are u doing equating simple and natural things like loving someone to stuff like drugs and studying? Love is innate and something u dont choose. Eating drugs and studying is something u voluntarily want to do. You have weak arguments. but at least you're trying :)
well, if love is something the cannot be chosen. Then i guess forgiveness is out of the question?
How can we learn to love our enemies if is it something that we don't choose? I'm saying that in choose who and what we want to love, that too is a choice that we can make.
Do you not love something that you are attracted to? I'm sure you do not love something that you dislike.
And does not love come out of attraction?
In saying so, there is love that loves no matter what a person is like or will be like, like a parents love towards their child. But this also is because of their unique relationship with each other, a parent would not more love another kid who is rude, naughty and disobedience if he is not their child.
But God loves us no matter who are are, or will be that is how much He loves us. And I'm sure and certain that He too loves homosexual, terrorists, murders and tortures but never accept their wrong doing and if they reject His love and grace, then they deservingly have to face His wrath and punishment.
Yes, which is why, I'm saying, you cannot compare love for drugs to the love for another human being.
And we, gay people, do everything alike you straight people, we love and care for each other. And just because we are not the norm, the majority, it is wrong?
It's not because you are not of the norm it is wrong. But we see it that it is a immoral decision and lifestyle, based on what we believe in the bible.
Are you telling me that the only reason you can justify opposing torture/murder is because you oppose same-sex marriage/sexuality? As if you couldn't possibly come up with a good opposition to torture/murder *unless* you're opposing same-sex sexuality. Is that what you must resort to? That's pretty pathetic.
no i'm not saying that. I'm opposing all these because they goes against the standard of right and wrong that God has set. I do have a ground and basis to disagree with their lifestyles.
But do you have any basis that can give you reasons to support them?
whiteninja, first, I think you missed my point about your slippery slope argument. But I'm not going to repeat it because I think you should be more than able to reread it if you'd like.
Second, I have no basis to support same-sex attractions any more than I have a basis to support one's attraction to someone with the same hair or eye color or someone who is infertile/sterile. I simply don't care about such trivial forms of sexual/romantic attraction.
I have read ur comments but i still do not fully understand ur comments. Can you pls rephrase it and post it? Thanks.
I have nothing against it if you are attracted to someone because of a particular hair/eye colour, but i do think you should seriously consider if you are only loving someone for how she looks rather than how she is.
If you have no basis to support it, why are u showing ur support by defending for them?
"you should seriously consider if you are only loving someone for how she looks rather than how she is."
And you should seriously consider only loving someone for whether or not you can use their genitalia for your own reproductive means (this is the only "right" sexual orientation, correct?).
"If you have no basis to support it, why are u showing ur support by defending for them? "
I'm calling you out for not making any sense. I'm not defending/supporting or opposing anything or anyone.
I'm saying that i have no objections with preferences with no amoral issues (e.g. eating) or objects (e.g. food) . But if someone have preferences to eat human flesh, then this becomes preference with moral issue and i cannot approve of it.
Likewise for homosexual relationship, that is a preference with a moral issue.
But there's no such thing as an objective or universal "moral" issue. Many people are merely neutral on the issue of consensual, adult sexuality. This is not a moral issue to THEM. A moral issue is only moral if we make it so. One can very well use the same logic you're using to justify their own morals: whether such morals involve food, technology, or hair-color based attraction. And as absurd as *their* morality might sound to you, your morality here sounds just as absurd to many people.
And once again, you've used irrelevant examples to make your point.
So, wait, you dislike one's desire to marry their potentially long-term, same-sex partner in the same way you oppose cannibalism? How are those two things even REMOTELY related?
Everything you've spewed here sounds like this: "I don't have any logical reason for proactively trying to prohibit same-sex relationships, I just have an impulsive, 'icky' reaction to the thought of it."
Lastly, just because you don't oppose something doesn't necessarily mean you support it. That's a false dichotomy.
For example, I'm sure you don't necessarily *oppose* something as mundane as eating pancakes (why the hell would you even care, right?). But it doesn't logically follow that you must be a strong, outright supporter of pancake eating, does it? That's just silly.
Nope, i wouldnt oppose of eating pancakes or anything. But, that does not have anything to do with moral issue. Homosexual activity does, and that is why i'm opposing it.
Clearly you don't have a good comprehension of the English language, as you've consistently ignored most of what I've said.
Now let me break this down for you. YOU implied that I must *support* something simply because I don't oppose it. I told you that this isn't true because people don't automatically outright *support* something simply because they don't outright *oppose* it. This is common sense, and I illustrated this with an intentionally absurd example involving pancake-eating.
Besides, the issue here for me isn't so much that I specifically *support* same-sex marriage; I simply *oppose* dumb, unnecessary legal attempts to prohibit it.
And, to be sure, if a law doesn't fulfill some kind of legitimate government purpose, then it's an unnecessary law in my view. (And, no, a law telling same-sex couples that they can't marry does *not* encourage mixed-sex couples to marry and make babies, so don't even go there, girlfriend.)
Hi whiteninja, I see and understand that all or most of your stands are from a moral and/or a religious point of view and not be intrusive but at of this modern day and age, how many christians (including yourself) are virgins or have lost your virginity to your spouse?
I understand that God, in the 10 commandments, states "Thou shall not commit adultery" ? So if for example, you got married, to your spouse, after sleeping with someone else before your spouse, what does that make you?
But i can say tat when a christian knowingly goes against wat the bible says is wrong (as wat u have quoted correctly) he is doing a wrong thing, n should b corrected, as of any sin tat he may commit. And no one is able 2 perfectly live with whatever he believe. But we do have a perfect example, who live by what he says. He is Jesus, n i encourage u 2 examine his life 2 see if he really did so. Jesus is the example that all Christian should b like.
Now I know why I, as a white gay American male, sought out
the beautiful souls of the East. Even working in a Thai restaurant for a year, attending the BEAUTIFUL BUDDHIST ceremonies that were so peaceful and not about their ego, unlike everything Christian I have done in America....
When I watched my friends at the temple close their hands and there was silence no matter where they were in the temple, I knew this was spirituality and not Western Ego.
This ad is very moving !! Keep up the wonderful job. It is sooo sad that some religions preach hate and can't accept people for who they are. To all these fundamentalist religions, please look towards the buddhist non-judgmental way of beliefs. Be accepting and loving. Don't judge !
I'm sorry, but by judging others u too are judging others. You too wouldnt be able to live by this sentence 'Don't judge'.
To not judge is to say that they are no right or wrong in this world, are you sure your religion teaches this? Buddhist believes in karma, rewarding the right and punishing the wrong.
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to monofloral:
by disagreeing with homosexuality acts & lifestyle does Not mean hatred towards em.
it is not us who fail to accept "people for who they are", rather it is homosexuals who are not accepting themselves as who they are - people made in God's image, & they reject His design of sexuality.
by calling people who disagree as "fundamentalist" and "preach hate" and "can't accept people"...isn't it a judgement too? it is hard to remain a relativist without making judgement, u know?
God e Creator designed this creation, thus sexuality is part of it.
In His love He doesn't behave like a control freak who doesn't allow man (made in His image) to make any decision but behave like robots. No, He allows that, but we'll have to face e consequence of what we do. His moral laws require an accounting 1 day.
When u quote Jesus' words in John 8:7 "Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone", pls remember what He also said in verse 11 too "Go now and leave your life of sin".
well said, quoting the "Go now and leave your life of sin".
Then let me repeat this again. I assume you are a christian yourself, since you are quoting the bible. Not to be intrusive/offensive, how many christians today, are married off as virgins? You're not supposed to "commit adultery", are you not?
Is there really a god? i think people like you should stop studying the bible and free yourself of these ideologically based values that's causing alot of hate in the world. Your parsing of language is odious!
"i'm sure God loves 'em (gays), that's why He made 'em in His image, continue to sustain & care for 'em every sec of their lives (just like He does 4 every1else). All e more they should repent & turn back to Him b4 it's too late."
We can replace 'gays' with Muslims, Buddhists, Taoists, Hindus, agnostics, atheists, etc and whoever doesn't believe in a Christian god.
To non-Christians, Christians are practising an 'alternative lifestyle' too, no? : )
it made me cry.. that's all.
1388donato 1 month ago
I love how people are being more open about themselves and how others are much more accepting. Embrace every quality about yourself and your loved ones. I love the people's generous words and stories in the video. God bless.
DavidLiChang 7 months ago
This is, I have no word for it. its cute, what song is this?
SummertimeLove09 1 year ago
Gays are awesome
XOSiren18XO 1 year ago
the music is lik... so nice and so touching...
kinghank89 1 year ago
i am gay too.. when i see this video, i cried...
spaceamazon 2 years ago
0:31 I like them xd
Ssst09 2 years ago
this is impressive coming from singapore! i hope it will go somewhere..
duytringuyen07 2 years ago 10
Most of my friends are gay. I am pansexual. My boyfriend is straight, but likes to dress like a woman. I love that we can all be open about who we are with each other instead of thinking about what everyone must think of us.
keikothemeowmeow 2 years ago 3
the first comment was a bit exaggerated.. over all is sweet and funny
berthelsen1991 2 years ago
heart-warming.
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retyaln 2 years ago 2
80% of my frens is GAY~~~
songhan891118 2 years ago 2
My mother is jealous of her brother. She's had 2 divorces, but my uncle's been with his partner for some 30-odd years.
And bigots keep saying homosexuality's bad. Pssh.
<3 video
Cerbi01 2 years ago 3
swee lin is so adorable ! love this video so much !
marshallh80 2 years ago 3
great video. very cute.
better than the campaigns run here in the states. let's all learn from each other in pushing for the wider acceptance of gay people.
bostonalejandro 2 years ago 3
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God, everyone with good intentions in the video just makes Singapore sound so provincial, tho truth is - Singapore is kampung on the inside (S'pore is a conservative society, remember?!!) The REAL issue for acceptance is FRANKLY - how does the pink gender help raise economic gains for the country? We all know that but typically, like all things in S'pore, no one talks about the real issue. Beating around the bush to butter up Big Brother is the name of the game.
PlseScowlMore 2 years ago
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progay 2 years ago
Why these strange people visit gay-related forums to post their irrelevant and tedious spiel:
1) The supposed 'challenge' of conducting an argument with as many people as possible.
2) Attention seeking aka trolling. Let's not feed trolls shall we?
3) The belief that they're courting divine favour by quoting holy texts. One comment=another minute in paradise.
4) Lives so empty that they actually look forward to logging on to see who has responded to their posts.
addict77 2 years ago 2
Whiteninja2001, no one is saying that by commenting, it means forcing ideas down ppl's throat. However, religion is a private practice & when you keep on preaching your bible to ppl not interested to know, that can be considered as forcing in an indirect way. Sure you can comment and discuss, however, your comment abt homosexuality has been ignorant and illogical. You related gay lifestyle with crimes such as killing, torture and drug abuse. What logic is that?
armyboy24 2 years ago
It warms my heart to see so many gays, bis and heteros posting positive comments.
Let's ignore the overzealous bigot posting absurd pseudo-christian babble.
citron707 2 years ago
i give up, not because i admit defeat.
but because i know this christians will not stop talking, no matter what we say.
if they claimed that they are not perfect themselves, then shut the hell up.
if they claimed that they are not forcing their beliefs down on us, then shut the hell up.
because your comments are seriously an absurd disturbance to us.
Lokies 2 years ago 3
"they have greatly oppressed me from my youth, but they've not gain victory over me..." - Ps 129:2
might wanna try harder halos.
because you are the people that are oppressive.
you go thinking how righteous you are, trying to get people thinking your way.
I can only say, think again, & good luck.
because YOUR God told me, "let him without sin cast the first stone."
Lokies 2 years ago
Hi,
I repeat, tat we have never said tat we r more righteous/perfect than anyone. We r sinners, who r in need of God's forgiveness 2.
We do not want people 2 think our way, but we do hope tat they can see from God's Way.
I also understand tat my God say 'If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.' and 'Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither ... nor men who practice homosexuality'
whiteninja2001 2 years ago
oh wow, so now you are trying to tell us we are gonna go to hell?
how nice of you, thanks.
Lokies 2 years ago 2
You ARE forcing your religious view onto people because you were spitting out all your bible verse abt homosexuality on this channel. Pinkdot is a secular event abt supporting the idea tat LGBT have the right to love and be loved. Tat's why I said, u need to get clear what is equal right, what is private & wat is public. Religion is a private practice & by going around here telling ppl abt the bible's verse on homosexuality, which we dun want to know nor interested, is that not indirect forcing?
armyboy24 2 years ago 3
nonsense . don't corrupt the red dot , go find ur own dot
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Mrann1990 2 years ago
"Judge people not on whom they love, but on whether they love."
John Corvino
ayulene 2 years ago 2
Gosh..I am seriously touch by this video...forget all thoes ppl who "hate"...
help them to learn how to "love"....
Eileenswisston 2 years ago 3
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mellon828282 2 years ago
Well I'm glad I went to this event in any case despite what comments may be floating around here. In the end, all I can say is that having realised I was gay since my teenage years, and having been supported all this while by my lifetime straight friends and gay friends I think I speak for many of us saying that the "freedom to love" is finally spreading. And I'm starting to feel like I'm at home in where I belong. =]
ReiZkeNx 2 years ago 2
If i know that a huge problem will occur and i have this knowledge that can prevent it would i not share it? Unless i'm a utterly selfish person.
And if i do know a cure that can cure that root of the problem, would i not tell everyone about it?
Tat is y i'm here. I foresee the impact of us if we allow it and i do know the solution to man's sinfulness, which is our greatest problem.
whiteninja2001 2 years ago
oh wow, thank you mr halo.
good luck.
Lokies 2 years ago
and seriously, what's the use of expressing your unhappiness about it now anyway?
because guess what? PINK DOT not only already happened, but it was a massive success in assuring people that their lives are worth living for.
and you Christians come and try to make us sound like our lives are unworthy, & think you guys are always right.
do you really think it will make any difference now?
NOPES!
Go Pink Dot!
Lokies 2 years ago 3
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Hi Lokies,
If ur lives worth is found in people support, then i seriously consider that you find your real worth somewhere else.
We Christians DO NOT say that we are right or that we are superior to anyone, we recognize that we are totally sinful and are in need of a Savior to save us. But, we have to reject this 'alternative' lifestyle because it is God who determines what is right or wrong, not us. We never think we are right, God is and we follow what He says.
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Lokies 2 years ago
Then keep your intelligence to yourself. We don't need you to tell us what your God thinks it is right. With people like you, who needs enemies?
Lokies 2 years ago
what are you doing here? seriously? if you hate this 'alternative' lifestyle we are supporting.
Lokies 2 years ago
I myself, as a Christian, feels incredibly ashamed to see other Christians expressing their intolerance.
In the first place, what are they doing here if they hate this so much?
hypocrites, hypocrites, hypocrites.
It totally doesn't reflect the God that I personally know.
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yyf147258 2 years ago
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Same sex 'love' is not love. It is sexual pervertion.
It's really not complicated.
Baadger 2 years ago
no, you complicate yourself.
Lokies 2 years ago
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lyonsin 2 years ago
Excellent video! I love how they did this.
razorslipped 2 years ago
As a westerner from a western society I warn Singapore not to allow this lifestyle to spread. In the west everything is legalised in the name of "tolerance" and "diversity", however look what we have come to! I warn the people of Singapore not to go down this path. This is a warning from a westerner who has seen the results of this in his society.
LoveOfRighteousness 2 years ago
Also, having grown up in Singapore I very much love the country. Do not allow the social fabric to disintegrate.
LoveOfRighteousness 2 years ago
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I'm completely disgusted beyond words. These people are asking us to accept their perversion, their irresponsible lifestyle and harmful behavior. Our society will be ravaged if this cancer continues to spread.
pigcanfly007 2 years ago
pigcanfly007, these people are trying to support the idea that there are people and friends around us, who are LGBTs. They are supporting the idea that it is okay to love and be loved, no matter what your sexual orientation is. Because we are all humans. If you have friends or colleagues who are gays, would you dare to go up to their face and repeat what you just said here at their face? Or would you be a hypocrite in covert who only dares to express your cynical ideas behind a computer screen?
armyboy24 2 years ago
and we too,have to accept you being an insensitive person?
Eyepiercings 2 years ago 2
If you're truly disgusted by perversion, irresponsible lifestyle, harmful behavior and worried for this society's well being, why not you go sell condoms at geylang? Or maybe you can hold a banner that says "Stop Prostitution".
It would be a better way to stop such "society cancer" by starting from the majority, which of course are the hetrosexuals, you think?
niquechua 2 years ago
I love this video and really admire those who worked for it to be produced.
Curiously, some people like Whiteninja2001 are obsessed with gay people and have unhealthy attention-seeking issues. Are they suffering from self-hatred or self-denial?
Homophobia is clearly a sign of a weak mind - just like racism or sexism.
But there are less and less bigots - equality will come to all.
citron707 2 years ago
after seeing ... this video ... i feel happy ... to see that there are ppl who really don mind and do support gay ....
James845620 2 years ago
I believe in freedom of love. it's a basic form of human rights, like breathing or eating. If gay people are humans too. aren't they allowed to love? I have friends who are gay and i respect them :) GO PINKDOT!
LittleHatsu 2 years ago
Everyone deserves to be heard.. Everyone has the right to express themselves.. Equal rights for everyone!
fezish 2 years ago
Same sex love is an abomination against every traditional religion, guys. Yes, I want to put gays/bisexuals in prison but that's for their own good.
BaronVonKhrispy 2 years ago
Then it's a good thing that most GLBT people are not part of every traditional religion then, 'innit?
Yes, and I'm sure two years in a dirty cell will set those gays straight, won't it? I'm not sure how being in prison would help them contribute more to society, but I'm guessing you're an expert and have outdone the research by multiple established institutions that say that homosexuality is perfectly normal.
CurtainRod 2 years ago 2
I wouldn't agree to what you say regarding the 2nd part about putting them into prison. But i do think that we can help them to see that this is a choice rather than an in-built problem, but not in a prison setting. We will want to help them, go through with them, care for them, pray for them. Not approving with them doesn't mean we condemn them.
whiteninja2001 2 years ago
By imprisonment I meant rehab with therapies such as electroshock being used to cure their condition. It's not a choice -- it's a mental problem like Schizophrenia.
BaronVonKhrispy 2 years ago
No, i do not believe in using violence to treat any problem. So i cannot agree to your electroshock therapy.
I do not think that our ends justify our means to achieving it. I'm sure there are other ways to solve this problem other than violence that we should look into.
whiteninja2001 2 years ago
The American Psychiatric Association declassified homosexuality as a mental disorder in 1973.
bardsmanship 2 years ago 5
I know several gay people.
Go Pink Dot, Go!
TombKaios 2 years ago 3
This country is bound to the Constitution, not the bible or the koran. This is the land of the free, and we ALL have a right to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness". And we are ALL free from having to view god in the same narrow view you have. Marriage and civil rights are CIVIL matters. Who ever said ANYTHING about "do anything you want"??? That's absurd. With rights come responsibilities. They just should be applied to ALL equally and fairly, in "the land of the free"
MarriageEquality2009 2 years ago 5
If you truly want to see freedom, why not study America? They have gone ahead with whatever they wanted. Have their moral value or standard increase? Are people becoming more tolerance towards each other? Are they more loving?
If we can observe that America has not been doing better than before, what makes us think that by going down the same path they took we will be any different? Will we not degenerate like them?
whiteninja2001 2 years ago
what the hell are u talking about? Be clear about the situation. we are pushing for the acceptance for all forms of love. U are talking about america and its constitution ,which is so different from singapore's. U are sidetracking the issue
plshaveaniceday 2 years ago 2
Hi,
Please be polite too when you're speaking.
I'm replying to MarriageEquality2009's comments. You would be able to see it under the full comments section.
whiteninja2001 2 years ago
Wondering how's the turn out for tomorrow's Pinkdot event... good luck!
pookajonson 2 years ago
I couldn't care LESS about your definition of "god" or your exclusionary creeds. You either believe in equal rights for ALL, or you do NOT.
MarriageEquality2009 2 years ago 4
Yes, i believe in equal rights for all, but equal rights to what? To do anything you want?
And if you really want to give equal rights, why is it that you are giving rights for them to be public, BUT not allowing religion to be public? Aren't you then not giving us our rights? So i conclude that you do not believe in equal rights for all?
whiteninja2001 2 years ago
whiteninga2001, you need to get your facts straight abt what is public, what is personal & what is equal right. Religion is a personal practice in SG even if it is part of our secular society. You can promote religion in public, but you have no rights to force your ideas down ppl's throat or preach & spread inaccurate info abt e negativity of LGBT lifestyle. LGBT cannot force people to believe tat Christians lifestyles are bad in public, so why should religions be allowed to do that to the LGBT?
armyboy24 2 years ago 3
Hi armyboy24,
I'm not trying to force my view down people's throat, but we are presenting what we believe, whether you choose to believe it or not is entirely up to you. But i would like to point out to you that they are only 2 groups that we can talk about here, one who supports/approves of homosexual relationship and another that doesn't. Either way, one will force the other, just like what you are doing with your comments.
It is not that we condemn them, but we cannot agree to and with them.
whiteninja2001 2 years ago
ermmm get things right. who's forcing anyone? are gays forcing u to be gays too? Just leave us alone. I dont even noe why people like u care about who we love. Just give us a break alright?
plshaveaniceday 2 years ago 2
We care because we see that it is not a right action. Also we see that this is not a natural action. If it was, you or i wouldn't exist today.
whiteninja2001 2 years ago
Just because an action doesn't directly lead to procreation does not, in itself, make that action wrong or unnatural. For example, the act of driving a car will not lead directly to child-creation. But that doesn't not mean driving is wrong or unnatural.
mikeocracy 2 years ago
Hi,
i do agree with what you say about driving a car and not leading to pro-creation. But, so are many activities, and i do not disagree with them. Please do not bring in irrelevant examples in. If people throughout centuries know that it is nature for man and woman to have a loving relationship and procreate, then why cant we understand?
And if you see from nature, there also aren't any relationship that shows that homosexual relationship is natural.
whiteninja2001 2 years ago
"But, so are many activities, and i do not disagree with them."
Right, but why not? If one thing can be wrong/unnatural because it doesn't lead directly to procreation, then why aren't other non-procreative actions wrong/unnatural? Your logic seems rather disjointed and inconsistent.
mikeocracy 2 years ago
"If people throughout centuries know that it is nature for man and woman to have a loving relationship and procreate, then why cant we understand?"
People in the past also thought that slavery was perfectly acceptable. Do you agree with the concept of slavery then?
bardsmanship 2 years ago 3
Also, legally and/or socially discouraging homosexuality (or whatever it is you're advocating for...) isn't going to magically induce mass propagation. It's not as if prohibiting same-sex intimacy is going to cause millions of people--who previously had no interest in the opposite sex and no interest in having children--to suddenly gain a desire for penis-vagina sex and baby-making. Simply put, I'm not really sure what you hope to accomplish in this very awkward endeavor of yours.
mikeocracy 2 years ago
I'm not saying that by allowing it, mass propagation would crease to exist.
I'm not approving of it because it is not a right thing that they are doing.
I do not know how you come to this conclusion. But I'm against it not for legal or social reason but it's a moral problem.
whiteninja2001 2 years ago
and who are you to think you have the rights to speak on behalf of everybody, and based on what?
your medieval, self-fish & self-considerate intelligence?
Lokies 2 years ago
Whiteninja2001. I have 2 say this. You, like some Christians, are cynical and hypocritical. You said certain things yet you deny it. Even after clarifications, your points r nothing more than reinstatement of wat you said. And when did I force ppl to accept my comments? Forcing & persuasion is 2 different thing. I support e idea of live & let live & e notion of non-discrimination 2wards LGBTs & their lifestyles. But you link them with killings, tortures, drug abusing. Wat logic of yours is that?
armyboy24 2 years ago 2
Hi again armyboy24,
I'm not sure why u first said that i was forcing my view to others, from what i interpret that by posting here u take it that i'm forcing my view, therefore if u too post ur view on it, i take it that u too are forcing ur view? If not, then can i ask that you recant ur sentence, if not it will be too disleading towards others.
whiteninja2001 2 years ago
I like to say to condemn and disapprove is 2 things. I do have friends that are homosexual and i tell them that i cannot agree to what their lifestyle is like. I do not support their lifestyle.
But, i do not condemn them by rejecting their friendship or help when they need. I keep in contact with them and show concern for them too.
whiteninja2001 2 years ago
Whiteninja2001, please read my previous comments again. I said forcing & persuasion is different. This was in reference to your previous message, which implied tat I was forcing my ideas onto ppl, which I asked you, when did I do that. And you have not replied me on tat question. Don't try to reverse my question back to me as I won't fall for such things. It is just like how u reversed the idea of equal rights in e previous message. I know very clearly what I say here. The question is, do you?
armyboy24 2 years ago
Hi, i do no wish this to continue forever.
But i was refering to your first post that '...You can promote religion in public, but you have no rights to force your ideas down ppl's throat or preach & spread...'
I take it that you think i was forcing my view down, i dont know how you came to this conclusion either, but, tat was why my reply to you was tat.
Do hope tat this helps you to see in context.
whiteninja2001 2 years ago
As a political and social, libertarian perhaps I can offer some insight.
People should have the freedom to choose which gender to form Romantic relationships with. Furthermore, religious people should have this opportunity as well.
But to clear, you, nor anyone else, has the freedom to curtail the freedom of someone else, simply because what they do is "icky" or "confusing" to you. As long as it doesn't harm a non-consensual individual, then there is obviously nothing harmful about it.
mikeocracy 2 years ago
Religion is subjective. There are christians, muslims, buddhists, so many religions. We cant say that everyone has to be of this religion and it goes the same as we cant say that everyone has to love the opposite sex.
And what rights do you want? What do you mean that religion is not public? You mean we build temples and churches underground?
niquechua 2 years ago
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I have nothing against homosexuals. my best friend is gay & we have an awesome friendship. but this doesn't negate the fact that homosexuality is a sin against God & that I shouldn't stand by while his relationship with God is marred by this sin. i'm no better than he is. we both need God's grace to repent.
friend, if you see this, i'm sorry i still don't have the courage to tell you all these. as much as i want u to be happy, i want to see you walking right with God more than anything else.
wh1te0leander 2 years ago
If you're going to quote the Bible as a text and say that God said these things here and here and here in maybe six verses of the entire sixty-six books of the Bible and therefore homosexuality is a sin, then, alright. I hope that you'll read your Bible with conviction from the Holy Spirit, because years of translation have distorted the Word of God.
That said, it's a justice thing, even if you don't agree. Shouldn't homosexuals be equal in the eyes of the secular law? Divorce is legal.
iSalt 2 years ago 3
There is a lot of literature out there that explain the errors in interpreting Jewish laws and practices described in the Bible. Believing in God is to have a special relationship with Him independent of what you or anyone else thinks & independent of Jewish practices/laws. Who are you to say your friend needs repentance; that he isn't walking right with God. Stop force feeding your God to others. Not believing there's a God is also a belief itself and needs to be respected.
sjc95112 2 years ago 2
I'm not against homosexuality, but seriously...I thought Singapore has an anti-gay law-section 377A.
Any male person who, in public or private, commits, or abets the commission of, or procures or attempts to procure the commission by any male person of, any act of gross indecency with another male person, shall be punished with imprisonment for a term which may extend to 2 years.
To be in love and not be able to show it?!
flyORLI 2 years ago
That was an amazing commercial.
I'm sure you guys are making a great difference in Singapore with this!
Aioazech 2 years ago
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If we continue to allow people to go after their 'alternate' preference, towards whatever they like, when will be the stopping point?
Will be stand up and support those who prefer to toture or kill?
If not, why not? They too deserve their right.
If so, what then will be counted as right or wrong? Mere preference?
Do seriously consider the outcome of what idea we are trying to bring across.
whiteninja2001 2 years ago
IF we continue to allow people to go after their 'alternate' preference, towards whatever they like, when will be the stopping point? Will be stand up and support those who prefer to toture or kill? If not, why not? They too deserve their right. If so, what then will be counted as right or wrong? Mere preference?
Do seriously consider the outcome of what we idea we are bring across.
whiteninja2001 2 years ago
Torturing another person infringes the person's right of not wanting to be tortured, and of course killing another person takes away that person's right to live. You didn't mention bestiality and pedophilia but I will bring them in anyway; both are outrages against animals and children's inability to give consent. And therein lies the crux of the matter: consent. Please don't use these examples when same-sex love is and has always been consensual.
rendangboy 2 years ago 11
Freaking awesome response. :D
Nice job.
Aioazech 2 years ago
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I'm shocked by what u say. R u saying that if murder or tortured by a willing party is actually acceptable? If right and wrong can be determined by our likes and dislikes, our approval and disapproval is that frightening?
And by saying about human rights, y do u say human have rights at all? Is it not because we r endowed with it by a Creator?
I dun see people going around crying for sheep's right when a lion eats them. If we are products of evolution, do we really have rights?
whiteninja2001 2 years ago
I can answer that. :)
Humans have rights when sheep don't; but it is not because we are any better than sheep.
We believe in human rights because we live in a society where we choose to agree on what is acceptable and what is not. We agree that it is wrong to steal or murder, for example- sheep have no such agreement.
When we make such mutual agreements, we have the right to have them honoured. That's what, to me, human rights are all about.
armchaircriticTV 2 years ago
Hi armchaircriticTV,
If that's how you determine that we have rights and how we determine right and wrong, There's no point to discuss further, maybe in a few years right and wrong by then will change.
One interesting comment by you was 'we choose to agree on what is acceptable and what is not. We agree that it is wrong to steal or murder'.
Why do you think we choose to agree on this rather than agreeing on the opposite of it?
whiteninja2001 2 years ago
hi whiteninja2001 :)
you are absolutely right when you say that right and wrong will change in a few years! our perception of what is right or wrong is not static- there was a time where it was commonly believed that women shouldn't be allowed to vote.
I believe that we choose to agree that theft and murder are wrong because they cause harm and suffering to other people; and it is only logical that for society to progress, we need to minimise such harm. So we punish people who harm others.
armchaircriticTV 2 years ago
oh whats the point of arguing. whiteninja2001, you are absolutely right. same-sex love is a crime on the same level as murdering and torturing another human being.
rendangboy 2 years ago
you must be out of your mind to think gays are murderers and torturers. what have gay love got to do with you or anyone? what harm would they do to you? same-sex love is love between two individuals, not with you or anyone. your comment is outrageous and lack intelligence, a sweeping statement that would incite hatred between human beings. if in times of emergencies and the only person who can assist you is gay, i guess you would rather die, and you rightly deserves it.
sjc95112 2 years ago 4
In one sense, I'm saying it is wrong because it is a moral issue, we choose to do certain action (murder, torture, ...)
I'm not equaling them with murdering or torturing, but the root of all these sins are that man chooses to do whatever he wants regardless of the standard of right and wrong determined by God.
whiteninja2001 2 years ago
what made u think i chose to love the way i love? It might be unfortunate for me to not have the "mainstream" sexual orientation coz its really troublesom in singapore. but since im this way id rather embrace it and love what God has created of me.
And im sick of the derived intentions of Gods where christians think its a sin. In the first place humans are the one interpreting the bible. If God were to hate me for me, im born to sin in this world.
plshaveaniceday 2 years ago 2
Hi again,
Ive answered 2 your first part in another section. Please do read through it
Human do interpret things, the only reason y we are able to speak 2 one another is because u and i are able 2 interpret each others comment. What makes u think that we cannot do that with the bible, which is God's Word? Even then, human 2 interpret things around us including science.
It doesn't matter what God is 2 u or me. But it matters who He really is or is not. what we believe dont change or create Him.
whiteninja2001 2 years ago
God didnt exactly write the bible, as we all would have known by now. People, wrote the gospel. And the gospels formed the bible. And as we all would also know, only a few gospels were picked to form the bible, and once again, a human being, not God, picked and chose whichever gospel that was to go into or not go into the bible.
Then, the bible was translated so many times.
So, what we are reading today, 2009 years, may not be exactly what God in whichever way He wanted us to, have interpret.
niquechua 2 years ago
It could very well be Adam and Steve. Nobody really knows for sure.
veidtco 2 years ago
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If you are really interested to see if the bible is reliable and trustworthy. I strongly encourage you to google textual criticism of the bible. You will be amazed by the sheer amount of evidence that supports the trustworthiness of the bible. Also, if you are able. Do get a copy of this book "The New Testament Documents: Are They Reliable?" by F. F. Bruce.
whiteninja2001 2 years ago
One word.
Euthanasia.
Another topic debated since forever.
"A fool does not delight in understanding, But only in revealing his own mind."
Thanks for helping us better understand what is a fool, I can see you hogging the comment page and not a word said has been met with your understanding.
At least people here have tried to discussed with u based on the opinions u have brought out. They tried to understand where u come from and give their views from there.
You just go on n on n on n on.
passerbyvid 2 years ago
whiteninja2001, not only your arguments are weak, your logic is totally beyond the comprehension even for primary 6 school kids. What evidence do you have to associate gay people with torture and killings? The former is more like a choice of lifestyle, while the latter is a criminal offence. Are you implying that choosing to love is a criminal offence then? Yes, I agree to one point of yours, which is DO consider the outcome of what YOUR idea will bring when brought across to the public... =)
armyboy24 2 years ago 4
Hi, for the first part, do see my reply to above.
No, I'm not saying that choosing to love is a crime. We can all choose to love anything we want, but whatever we love will have a logical conclusion to it. If i love to play and not study the logical conclusion would be that i have no knowledge, likewise for a drug abuser who love drugs. I'm sure we will not agree that loving per se is wrong. But what we love is the issue.
whiteninja2001 2 years ago
Lol sry no offense but i can see u are trying really hard. but to be honest what are u doing equating simple and natural things like loving someone to stuff like drugs and studying? Love is innate and something u dont choose. Eating drugs and studying is something u voluntarily want to do. You have weak arguments. but at least you're trying :)
plshaveaniceday 2 years ago 2
Hi plshaevaniceday,
well, if love is something the cannot be chosen. Then i guess forgiveness is out of the question?
How can we learn to love our enemies if is it something that we don't choose? I'm saying that in choose who and what we want to love, that too is a choice that we can make.
whiteninja2001 2 years ago
plshaveaniceda y& whiteninja2001:
Love IS a choice. I would say that love can be described as a stage in a relationship, which you may choose to attempt to pursue.
ATTRACTION, however, is not a choice. We cannot choose who or what we are attracted to.
I think that should help clear some of the misunderstanding :)
armchaircriticTV 2 years ago 2
Hi armchaircriticTV,
Do you not love something that you are attracted to? I'm sure you do not love something that you dislike.
And does not love come out of attraction?
In saying so, there is love that loves no matter what a person is like or will be like, like a parents love towards their child. But this also is because of their unique relationship with each other, a parent would not more love another kid who is rude, naughty and disobedience if he is not their child.
whiteninja2001 2 years ago
But God loves us no matter who are are, or will be that is how much He loves us. And I'm sure and certain that He too loves homosexual, terrorists, murders and tortures but never accept their wrong doing and if they reject His love and grace, then they deservingly have to face His wrath and punishment.
whiteninja2001 2 years ago
It is possible to be attracted to something that you do not love.
It is possible to love something that you were not attracted to.
Attraction may or may not lead to love- sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't.
Homosexuals find themselves attracted to people of the same sex, just like how we find ourselves attracted to people of the opposite sex.
I get the impression that you are not going to change your mind about this, so I won't argue any further. Thanks for being civil. :)
armchaircriticTV 2 years ago
I agree with what you say, loving per se is not wrong but what we love, is the issue.
But. I would like to highlight this to you. There is no logical way of comparing an object (eg. Drugs) to loving a human being.
A drug abuser and a homosexual, cant be compared that way.
niquechua 2 years ago
Hi,
Let me remind you that love is an analogical word. Since we have only 1 word to describe the degree of love(unlike other language).
An e.g.
When i say John loves hot dog and he loves his child. You do not go away understanding that he loves hotdog to the same degree of that to a child.
Will he care 4 it? talk 2 it? feed it? comfort it?
No, likewise for my example, the degree of love will increase or decrease depending on the object it refers to.
whiteninja2001 2 years ago
Yes, which is why, I'm saying, you cannot compare love for drugs to the love for another human being.
And we, gay people, do everything alike you straight people, we love and care for each other. And just because we are not the norm, the majority, it is wrong?
niquechua 2 years ago
And may you please explain why not?
Since love must be only an object.
It's not because you are not of the norm it is wrong. But we see it that it is a immoral decision and lifestyle, based on what we believe in the bible.
whiteninja2001 2 years ago
Why not? Why we cant compare love of drugs to the love of another human being? Are you listening to yourself?
So quoting what you said about your child and hot dogs, meaning to say, you care for and love hot dogs the way you love your child?
You hold your hot dogs to sleep at night and kiss them goodnight and then wish them good morning the next day?
niquechua 2 years ago
Are you telling me that the only reason you can justify opposing torture/murder is because you oppose same-sex marriage/sexuality? As if you couldn't possibly come up with a good opposition to torture/murder *unless* you're opposing same-sex sexuality. Is that what you must resort to? That's pretty pathetic.
mikeocracy 2 years ago
Hi mikeocracy,
no i'm not saying that. I'm opposing all these because they goes against the standard of right and wrong that God has set. I do have a ground and basis to disagree with their lifestyles.
But do you have any basis that can give you reasons to support them?
whiteninja2001 2 years ago
whiteninja, first, I think you missed my point about your slippery slope argument. But I'm not going to repeat it because I think you should be more than able to reread it if you'd like.
Second, I have no basis to support same-sex attractions any more than I have a basis to support one's attraction to someone with the same hair or eye color or someone who is infertile/sterile. I simply don't care about such trivial forms of sexual/romantic attraction.
mikeocracy 2 years ago
Hi mikeocracy,
I have read ur comments but i still do not fully understand ur comments. Can you pls rephrase it and post it? Thanks.
I have nothing against it if you are attracted to someone because of a particular hair/eye colour, but i do think you should seriously consider if you are only loving someone for how she looks rather than how she is.
If you have no basis to support it, why are u showing ur support by defending for them?
whiteninja2001 2 years ago
"I have read ur comments but i still do not fully understand ur comments. "
No shit. lol
"Can you pls rephrase it and post it?"
Not until you do the same for me.
"I have nothing against it if you are attracted to someone because of a particular hair/eye colour"
But you have something against my being attracted to someone with the same genitalia? Grow up.
mikeocracy 2 years ago
"you should seriously consider if you are only loving someone for how she looks rather than how she is."
And you should seriously consider only loving someone for whether or not you can use their genitalia for your own reproductive means (this is the only "right" sexual orientation, correct?).
"If you have no basis to support it, why are u showing ur support by defending for them? "
I'm calling you out for not making any sense. I'm not defending/supporting or opposing anything or anyone.
mikeocracy 2 years ago
Hi,
I'm saying that i have no objections with preferences with no amoral issues (e.g. eating) or objects (e.g. food) . But if someone have preferences to eat human flesh, then this becomes preference with moral issue and i cannot approve of it.
Likewise for homosexual relationship, that is a preference with a moral issue.
whiteninja2001 2 years ago
But there's no such thing as an objective or universal "moral" issue. Many people are merely neutral on the issue of consensual, adult sexuality. This is not a moral issue to THEM. A moral issue is only moral if we make it so. One can very well use the same logic you're using to justify their own morals: whether such morals involve food, technology, or hair-color based attraction. And as absurd as *their* morality might sound to you, your morality here sounds just as absurd to many people.
mikeocracy 2 years ago 2
And once again, you've used irrelevant examples to make your point.
So, wait, you dislike one's desire to marry their potentially long-term, same-sex partner in the same way you oppose cannibalism? How are those two things even REMOTELY related?
Everything you've spewed here sounds like this: "I don't have any logical reason for proactively trying to prohibit same-sex relationships, I just have an impulsive, 'icky' reaction to the thought of it."
That's an extremely childish argument.
mikeocracy 2 years ago 6
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Lastly, just because you don't oppose something doesn't necessarily mean you support it. That's a false dichotomy.
For example, I'm sure you don't necessarily *oppose* something as mundane as eating pancakes (why the hell would you even care, right?). But it doesn't logically follow that you must be a strong, outright supporter of pancake eating, does it? That's just silly.
mikeocracy 2 years ago
Nope, i wouldnt oppose of eating pancakes or anything. But, that does not have anything to do with moral issue. Homosexual activity does, and that is why i'm opposing it.
whiteninja2001 2 years ago
Clearly you don't have a good comprehension of the English language, as you've consistently ignored most of what I've said.
Now let me break this down for you. YOU implied that I must *support* something simply because I don't oppose it. I told you that this isn't true because people don't automatically outright *support* something simply because they don't outright *oppose* it. This is common sense, and I illustrated this with an intentionally absurd example involving pancake-eating.
mikeocracy 2 years ago
Hi mikeocracy,
Thanks. I understand your pancake e.g. now.
Can i ask you a question?
Are u taking a neutral stand? Or?
whiteninja2001 2 years ago
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Besides, the issue here for me isn't so much that I specifically *support* same-sex marriage; I simply *oppose* dumb, unnecessary legal attempts to prohibit it.
And, to be sure, if a law doesn't fulfill some kind of legitimate government purpose, then it's an unnecessary law in my view. (And, no, a law telling same-sex couples that they can't marry does *not* encourage mixed-sex couples to marry and make babies, so don't even go there, girlfriend.)
mikeocracy 2 years ago
Hi whiteninja, I see and understand that all or most of your stands are from a moral and/or a religious point of view and not be intrusive but at of this modern day and age, how many christians (including yourself) are virgins or have lost your virginity to your spouse?
I understand that God, in the 10 commandments, states "Thou shall not commit adultery" ? So if for example, you got married, to your spouse, after sleeping with someone else before your spouse, what does that make you?
niquechua 2 years ago
Hi niquechua,
I can assure u tat i am a virgin.
But i can say tat when a christian knowingly goes against wat the bible says is wrong (as wat u have quoted correctly) he is doing a wrong thing, n should b corrected, as of any sin tat he may commit. And no one is able 2 perfectly live with whatever he believe. But we do have a perfect example, who live by what he says. He is Jesus, n i encourage u 2 examine his life 2 see if he really did so. Jesus is the example that all Christian should b like.
whiteninja2001 2 years ago
wonderful.
Singapore has much to teach America.
punkzanyj 2 years ago 2
Very moving!! The tide is turning!! LOVE WILL CONQUER HATE!!
hotblondie111 2 years ago
Now I know why I, as a white gay American male, sought out
the beautiful souls of the East. Even working in a Thai restaurant for a year, attending the BEAUTIFUL BUDDHIST ceremonies that were so peaceful and not about their ego, unlike everything Christian I have done in America....
When I watched my friends at the temple close their hands and there was silence no matter where they were in the temple, I knew this was spirituality and not Western Ego.
jongoesdigital 2 years ago 2
I hope a day will come when this is allowed on national TV just like the MCYS advert on imperfect couple....
Well done.....
Y8choong 2 years ago
Go Singapore! Will wear pink in NYC in solidarity.
rineharte 2 years ago
SO MOVING!
thitherflit 2 years ago
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rineharte 2 years ago
Beautiful. Just beautiful. Well done to all involved in making this video. Good luck!
rainystl 2 years ago
This is beautiful - thanks :).
SeanChapin1 2 years ago
thank you for doing this, this is what more people need to see and do. thank you
masterhook 2 years ago
Simply beautiful!
smeejay 2 years ago
very well done.
quite moving
benegeseritwhore 2 years ago
This ad is very moving !! Keep up the wonderful job. It is sooo sad that some religions preach hate and can't accept people for who they are. To all these fundamentalist religions, please look towards the buddhist non-judgmental way of beliefs. Be accepting and loving. Don't judge !
memofloral 2 years ago 2
I'm sorry, but by judging others u too are judging others. You too wouldnt be able to live by this sentence 'Don't judge'.
To not judge is to say that they are no right or wrong in this world, are you sure your religion teaches this? Buddhist believes in karma, rewarding the right and punishing the wrong.
whiteninja2001 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
to monofloral:
by disagreeing with homosexuality acts & lifestyle does Not mean hatred towards em.
it is not us who fail to accept "people for who they are", rather it is homosexuals who are not accepting themselves as who they are - people made in God's image, & they reject His design of sexuality.
by calling people who disagree as "fundamentalist" and "preach hate" and "can't accept people"...isn't it a judgement too? it is hard to remain a relativist without making judgement, u know?
ong12345hong 2 years ago
Question.
How do you design sexuality? Because if it were that easy and if we, gay people, are that wrong a "design", why doesnt God alter this "design"?
Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone.
niquechua 2 years ago
God e Creator designed this creation, thus sexuality is part of it.
In His love He doesn't behave like a control freak who doesn't allow man (made in His image) to make any decision but behave like robots. No, He allows that, but we'll have to face e consequence of what we do. His moral laws require an accounting 1 day.
When u quote Jesus' words in John 8:7 "Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone", pls remember what He also said in verse 11 too "Go now and leave your life of sin".
ong12345hong 2 years ago
Hi ong12345hong,
well said, quoting the "Go now and leave your life of sin".
Then let me repeat this again. I assume you are a christian yourself, since you are quoting the bible. Not to be intrusive/offensive, how many christians today, are married off as virgins? You're not supposed to "commit adultery", are you not?
niquechua 2 years ago
Is there really a god? i think people like you should stop studying the bible and free yourself of these ideologically based values that's causing alot of hate in the world. Your parsing of language is odious!
memofloral 2 years ago 5
I love this video, i felt so touched to see people after people saying such nice & neutral things about gay people.
Thank you, it is a positive affirmation for me! :)
passerbyvid 2 years ago 2
"i'm sure God loves 'em (gays), that's why He made 'em in His image, continue to sustain & care for 'em every sec of their lives (just like He does 4 every1else). All e more they should repent & turn back to Him b4 it's too late."
We can replace 'gays' with Muslims, Buddhists, Taoists, Hindus, agnostics, atheists, etc and whoever doesn't believe in a Christian god.
To non-Christians, Christians are practising an 'alternative lifestyle' too, no? : )
addict77 2 years ago 3