First off u can't say Kobe isn't better cause his team got swept by Dallas if that was the case MJ would be twice as worse due to the fact MJ got swept 2 times before
The childish & ignorant claims of his dumb ass kiddie fan base is what's old.
He just reiterated these EXACT sentiments on NBA TV last week in an interview. The only people who are just dumb enough to keep insisting otherwise, when ALL of the facts & tangible evidence CLEARLY proves it, are U morons..
all of ya should jus stfu. and stop sucking jordan. kobe is a better overall player than jordan. jordan jus had the physical and athlete gifts that made him unstoppable, and dont forget to mention that no perimeter player in the 80's played 1on1 defense like they do now. if kobe played in the 80's. im sure he'll average 40 ppg every year. trust me
Why don't U STFU because U sound like the typical dumb ass, ignorant kid from this retarded generation.
If your ridiculous comment had ANY merit to it, then where's the on court RESULTS from kobe to PROVE it? A 39-40 yr old MJ was avg'n 25ppg 5apg 6rpg 45.3 FG% B4 his '02 All Star break injury..that was in THIS ERA, so that debunks your WEAK ASS claims of him being good because of his athleticism, because at that point, he was 15 yrs REMOVED from his prime!
"no perimeter player in the 80's played 1on1 defense like they do now"
Oh really? Well I can SHOW U 6 perimeter players from MJ's era that actually WON the Defensive Player Of The Year award. Now aside from Ron Artest, name another...I rest my case..
"if kobe played in the 80's. im sure he'll average 40 ppg every year"
Kobe played the equivalent of almost 4 yrs under the defensive rules MJ played his career under, and couldn't score 40 or 50 pts 1 damn time LOL!!
The only ones who BROUGHT him in this situation are his own delusional fans!!! They are so disrespectful and childish making these silly comparisons! Kobe is a great player and probably the most valuable in the current NBA, but so was Bird, Magic, Kareem etc. They all were the best at one point, but NOBODY could ever come close to the GOAT Michael Jordan.
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If you really are Kobe's fans, gro up and STOP EMBARRASSING HIM and drawing hate!
Once again, the game has changed...Phil Jacksons planning has changes the perimeter offensive has changed the game has evolved...so that's pointless now Lebron vs Kobe that's easy..Kobe but Jordan vs Kobe that's a little bit harder!
Jordan dominated his era partly because NOBODY was a better all-around athlete than him.. MJs body was built for bball.. Mj was the best athlete then like lebron is today... There is alot of players that are better athletes today than kobe.. But none more skilled.. Kobe dominates with the skills he has spent yrs of hard work mastering and fine tuning..
"Kobe dominates with the skills he has spent yrs of hard work mastering and fine tuning"
Like MJ didn't?
I get so sick of U ignorant kobe homers ALWAYS trying to attribute MJ's greatness, and explain away the OBVIOUS disparity between them, by claiming that MJ was just better athletically, when that's SO FAR from the truth!
If it was all about athleticism, why aren't other freak athletes as great as him then? Long time fans know what you're trying to do when U make dumb comments like that..
You're just trying to away his athleticism in order to make it easier for U to put kobe in the same sentence as him. U think that by limiting the criteria, U can achieve this.
MJ's athleticism didn't create his talent & skill, it only ENHANCED it! That was just part of his game, not the SUM of it!
A 39-40 yr old, past his prime MJ avg'd 22ppg 4apg 4rpg, with NONE of the athleticism of his prime, so to attribute his skill level to his athleticism is disrespectful & ignorant on your part..
Awards and stats have alot to do with circumstance and popularity. If u actually took time to watch video footage of games(not highlights) of both players it should be obvious that kobe can do stuff skill wise that mj neva could. Look up phil jackson interview he said kobe is more skilled but mj had a better nba body.. Dont be lazy do all the research not jus look up awards and stats.
"kobe can do stuff skill wise that mj neva could"
Like what? U kobe homers always say that, but never provide any objective/tangible evidence to validate that ridiculous comment. U always offer up vague opinions but no proof.
Skills are NOT some abstract concept that U can interpret however U want as it suits your need at the time. A player's level of skill at ANYTHING on the floor has & will ALWAYS be DEFINED by how consistently good or bad they fair at it, not by your damn opinion of it..
Kobe is just being humble.. Its not like hes gonna stand there and say "im better than mj and it should be obvious"... Hes not gonna disrespect jordan in public.. Kobe is more skilled than jordan.. But jordan was a better athlete than kobe, period..
For once, I'd like for 1 of U dumb kobe homers to SHOW US where this alleged superior skill of his has consistently translated into better individual on-court RESULTS in the areas U say he's "more skilled" in..just once!! Is that too much to ask of y'all?
Y'all say that shit, but when asked to show & prove U can offer up NOTHING but vague, juvenile, uninformed, ignorant ass opinions on the subject. Where's the EVIDENCE of his superior skill?!!
@blackadam06 actually kobe IS more skilled than jordan even phil jackson will tell you that.. that doesn't mean he's better than mj....I think the whole kobe/mj arguement is dumb. kobe is kobe, mj is mj.
He also said back in the '93 finals that BJ Armstrong was the best point guard in the league, when any knowledgable fan KNOWS that a damn lie. Just because he said something doesn't make it entirely true!
How's it possible to individually be "more skilled" at something than the next guy, when U CONSISTENTLY fair WORSE at it than them?!!
If he were, then his on-court production which is the RESULT of the very skill in question, would consistently reflect it! But it doesn't!
@blackadam06 phil got 11 rings with kobe & mj, i think that makes him a good candidate to judge them. . and you can be more skilled but worse than someone. sometimes it's not the skills you have but what you do with them.
One's level of skill at ANYTHING in life is DEFINED by how consistently good or bad they fair at it, not by someone's observed opinion of that skill.
If U compared 2 snipers, and Sniper A consistently hit his target & constantly had a higher kill rate than Sniper B, how could someone even begin to make an argument for Sniper B being the better skilled of the two?
@blackadam06 that actually isn't bullshit... "One's level of skill at ANYTHING in life is DEFINED by how consistently good or bad they fair at it" now THAT'S bullshit. Where does it say that skills are measured by consistency? so yeah.. once again, you can be more skilled but worse than someone
"once again, you can be more skilled but worse than someone"
Ok then...Steve Nash is a more skilled scorer than kobe..Shaq is a more skilled free throw shooter than kobe, and MJ's a more skilled rebounder than Dennis Rodman.
U disagree? Then prove me wrong, and I wanna know HOW you're gonna do it.
I can't wait to hear what kinda' bullshit answer U struggle to come up with on this one...SMH
@blackadam06 hahahah you seem to have a lot of passion & anger defending someone you've probably only watched play on youtube (sad) I never said kobe is better relax, he is slightly more skilled. Disagree with me? i couldn't give a 1,000 fucks what you think.. I'm not here to get your approval or fight over stupid shit.. youtube fights are like the special olympics, even if you win you're still retarded...
"you seem to have a lot of passion & anger defending someone you've probably only watched play on youtube"
U know what they say about those who "ASS"-ume right?
"he is slightly more skilled"
Then SHOW ME the consistently superior on-court production in the areas he's supposed to be more skilled than MJ, which would be the RESULT of the very skill in question to PROVE it..
"Where does it say that skills are measured by consistency?"
The very definition of the word "skill" is "the ability, coming from one's knowledge, practice, aptitude, etc., to do something [well]"
So lemme get this straight....U think it's possible to be "more skilled" than the next guy at something, while consistently fairing WORSE at it than him? LOL!!
Wow..SMH
U kobe homers always try to act as if skill is some abstract concept that U can re-define to suits your claims..
@rockyrack the Media was all over Mjs nuts(for him they had reason to be) just like they r all over Lebricks nuts now. Kobe has never been favored by the media, so dont use the stupid regular season Mvps as a one of your reasons. Kobe has been cheated out of Regular Season Mvps for the last 6 years, not including 2007-2008 when he finally won. At the end of the day Finals Mvp is the one that counts. This year would make number 3. MJ is still the greatest. and Kobe number 2.
"Kobe has been cheated out of Regular Season Mvps for the last 6 years"
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When Nash won it in '05 & '06, he was putting up double doubles EVERY night & shooting 40+% in 3ptrs and 50% with his reg FG's, not to mention his teams were beating kobe's. When Dirk won it '07, he shooting 40+% in 3ptrs while Kobe was ONLY shooting in the mid 40% overall, not to mention his teams ALSO were kickin' the shit outta kobe's..
Kobe deserved it in '03, but not the last 6 yrs..that's bullshit..
@blackadam06 ..hmm ok.. well since the MVP award is given to people with the most double doubles and highest fg% maybe this years MVP should go to Nene.. I mean the man is shooting 64% from the field...... Most Valuable player is more than just how good you can shoot the rock.. Its who is most valuable to their team. they dont have to have the best team. Kobe Bryant 2005-2006 averaging 35.4 ppg single handedly willed the lakers into the playoffs. did it again in 06-07. Nash had a great team
1st of all kid, NeNe isn't the leader or the most valuable to his team, Melo is. You're really grasping at straws now LOL!!
Secondly, not only were Nash & Dirk putting up better overall (and efficient #s) than kobe, they were the MAIN cog in the wheels that made their teams go & win, and they were beating LA.
@blackadam06 you know i was making fun of you right?Dont take it personal its all in good fun.Kobe is a sg. and 45% for a sg is damn good. Last time i check 35.4 ppg was damn good too. It wasnt like it was an unecessary amount to average. the lakers needed every single point. Meanwhile guys like Nash had Amare Stoudamire to help carry the scoring load and keep defenders from keying in. You take Kobe during that stretch off the lakers and you have yourself the worst team in the league by far.
@blackadam06 MVP= Most Valuable player to their team..C'mon your argument is Nash and Dirk deserved it more becuz they had better efficency ratings?!! look at their teams!!!Kobe was a one man show!! of course he isnt going to be as efficent! Getting Doubled Tripled every game. No one in the low post except Kwame and Mihm!! lol want me to list their rosters?
To me kobe is the best ever cause i never grew up to see michael play only in his year when he was old already and playing in the wizards. So to me kobes the best !
SMH..so what were U watching when U decided that kobe's better? I swear, U kobe homers get DUMBER as each year passes LOL!!
40yr old MJ: 22ppg 4apg 4rpg <--- in this era
KB's career avg: 25ppg 4apg 5rpg
Those stats are the RESULT of what BOTH did on the court, which can be verified by "video". So lemme guess..that doesn't prove anything either huh? SMH..
Kobe is great and he probably will win number 6 this year but you cannot compare Kobe's first 3 rings to Jordan's first 3. You just can't. We're talking about 2 Regular season MVP's, 3 scoring titles and 3 Finals MVP's for Jordan in 91, 92 and 93. Not to mention the fact that he destroyed hof legends Magic Johnson and Clyde Drexler head to head in his first 2 Finals. He humiliated the all star backcourt of Kevin Johnson and Dan Majerle averaging 41 points in the 93 Finals.
It's so ironic. Even Kobe himself acknowledges the truth. THAT is real sportsmanship. The only ones spreading hate are his delusional underage fans who have never witnessed the NBA of the 80s and 90s. I'm sorry to say, but nowadays guys like Kobe have easy play. When I look at today's NBA I see a sad shadow of what it used to be. There is no defense, there is no passion, just tired media whore players trying to sell an image. You can't deny it... NBA is dead.
@ChicagoEnoughSaid No they won't. The fact that everybody still compares players to JORDAN, not Kobe tells you everything you need to know. Jordan set a new standard. Kobe has not. Thus, everyone in the future will be compared to the gold standard--Jordan, not Kobe.
u guys know thats not all what kobe said. in the full interview his says more. this guy is trying to make it sound like he said jordan is better but he didnt say that
To all the haters, KOBE is a true baller. He doesn't pretend to be better or even equal to MJ. He knows for a fact that Michael is the best there ever was and will be. But without a shadow of a doubt, KOBE is one great baller in his own right.
@quiver11 agreeed...he is not cocky enough to wear 23 like lebron and FAIL champioship with best season record 2 years in a row....ffs they lost to magic last year and this year they lost to the big trnity of 59 year old celtics..ffs lebron
@quiver11 You need to understand that it is not Kobe that people hate on, its his stupid gay homer fans who think he is the best ever. No doubt Kobe is an all-time great though..
kobe is a great player....but he is not MJ and will never be....nobody changed the game like Mike and if you look at the stats you will understand why....I will say that kobe's jumper is possibly a little more deadly....but seriously Jordan has more rings, more MVP's, more final MVP's, more scoring title's(he averaged about 5 points more a game).....keep in mind he retired prematurely....twice
Magic Johnson "There is Jordan, and there's the rest of us"
you can't ask a dumbass from the street or net whos the best player ever.
You ask the best players who is the best ever. Thats how you do things.
If you ever see magic, bird, miller, ewing, robinson, barkley, kareem, dr j, chamberlaint, malone, stockton, dominique, (just to mention a few) say a name other than JORDAN, then we can talk. Otherwise keep dreaming.
@Solanopr Also, today's teens never saw Michael play. The last time he was on a NBA court playing at his best was 12 years ago. So any kid today was 5 years old or younger back then. I watched Jordan on TV in his rookie year. Even now, Kobe doesn't dominate a game the way Jordan did. Youtube clips aren't enough. There's something missing from Kobe that Jordan had and it's not the 6 rings. At the end of the day Kobe's stats are still all behind MJ's except for 3 pointers.
mj was a great player and he always will . but that doesnt mean that kobe isnt, i think that every should just enjoy the game and make no comparment between the "air jordan" & "black mamba"
@ELKhalef that doesnt mean shit tho. that just mean he wants ppl to recognize his own personal style of play. the key part is when he says the greatest who ever played describing michael jordan.
Shit Ive argued facts with the Jordanites countless times and thats all it is-an arguement. I like Kobe,MJ was a great,but Im not losing my hair defending 1 OR 2 MILLIONAIRES on YouTube.
Ive said it once and I'll say it again-I refuse to to banter anymore. In the end its all bad blood, name-calling, and disrespect. Ive watch basketball long enough to know how to gauge who I think is who from the best of my ability. Everybody here is already convinced of what they believe and there's no changing that. Don't ask me to argue about it.
"In the end its all bad blood, name-calling, and disrespect"
You should know being a kobe fanboy in all!
MJ fans attack y'all because you're ALWAYS trying to discredit MJ & his era, while being TOTALLY ignorant about it.
MJ's legacy & career is a CONSTANT reminder to y'all of what kobe's ISN'T & you resent the hell out of it LOL!! This is WHY you guys try & discredit it in order to be able to make a more favorable comparison for kobe LOL!!
Oh no. Don't put that on me. I make a statement on what I think about Kobe THEN I get jumped on by Jordanites hurling personal insults everywhere. I react, I admit. But by that point it has little to do with Michael or Kobe. Come on,seriously,you know half the people who fight on here would get along in R/L whether they loved or hated MJ or Kobe.
What's this have to do with VALIDATING what you claim about kobe? That's WHY y'all get attacked!
You kobe fanboys ALWAYS try to state as ABSOLUTE FACT, your uninformed opinions about kobe in reference to MJ, & then when knowledgable fans break out the facts on you guys, you start crying like sissies & claiming someone's picking on you..
If you're bold enough to put up these false claims about kobe in reference to MJ, then don't start crying when knowledgable fans crush that shit the facts..
there is a VERI low chance of that happening.. lebron , wade,melo,kobe.. none of these guy's have mj's athleticism.. mj's vertical was 48 inches, out of the players today lebron has the highest with 44..+ mj played in a tougher,bigger, more def based rules era.. larry brown and scottie pippen have said mj wud avg 50 ppg today..
i just dont see a guard coming in to the league, and end up avg 30 ppg, 5 ast, 6 rb over a 15 yr career.. not to mention hold over 20 records lol
well it isnt possible in this lifetime, but generations are getting more and more athletic. I dont think there will be a player better than mj for a long long time, but i think it has to happen eventually.
Lmfao Kobe IS the only player I know expected to win championships without help. Seriously all I ever hear is "He couldn't win without Shaq" and now "He couldn't win without Pau?!" Of course he couldn't basketball's a TEAM sport.
MJ would NEVER have won without Pip. Magic NEVER would have without Kareem/Worthy. Neither Larry without Kevin/Parish.
So this whole thing about putting Kobe's accomplishments down because of his team makes little sense.
Magic has said Bird was the best.Bird has said Magic was the best.Of course Kobe's going to say Michael is the greatest,but I'll have you know,when asked about Magic,Kobe replied"Best ever."All these guys say the other was the best.Who's going to jump on TV and proclaim dominion???...Mike is arrogant enough to,but I don't think he has.
search this in youtube, and tell me, if your opinions are better than theirs..Kobrick fans!! --- "Is Michael Jordan The Greatest Ever? Magic Johnson, Charles Barkley, Danny Ainge, Kenny Smith..." - copy/paste that title, and face the truth.
WHEN ARE YOU GUYS GONNA STOP COMPARING MJ TO KOBE?? WHEN IN FACT, KOBE THERE ABOVE, ALREADY ADMITS THAT HE CAN'T COMPARE TO THE GREATEST PLAYER OF ALL TIME!! stop fighting for Kobe, he already submitted!!
exactly! Kobe can't touch Michael..he just wishes he can..I don't know if there will ever be a player greater than MJ. The kids today think Kobe is the best..poor kids, they never saw the greatest.
Fans are entitled to their opinion & everybody has to respect that. Let me quote correctly your comment DrewZ2ube, "Kobe is every bit as good as Michael." Reality would refute your opinion. Actually there is no such thing as equal, in your words "as good as", some things/individuals may have similarities but in no way they are identical, equal, or the same. Each one us is UNIQUE.Something, somebody has to be better than the other/s, no way to be equal!
Actually, if you will only be critical about everything about these two players and discuss, analyze, and compare every category which includes the stats, the skills, talents, leadership, achievements, awards, records and all, I DOUBT IF KOBE could be the same level with Michael... It's something every FAN should ponder upon..
players today are weak and inferior. The rules don't allow any contact whatsoever. Might as well be playing with a bunch of women. You can fool some of the people some of the time. But you can't fool all of the people all of the time. Everyone recognizes that the NBA today should really be called WNBA.
Did understand what Kobe has said?? MICHAEL JORDAN is the greatest.. Kobe is one of the greatest but not the best ever.. when you say "bit by bit", kobe is better, then I say YOU MUST BE KIDDING!
Kobe is every bit as good as Michael. People are just going to have to get used to that. Seriously, people say Michael's the greatest because its been made into a mantra now. I won't say Kobe is BETTER,but EVERY BIT AS GOOD. I still have Magic as the greatest ever. 6'9, plays any position, outright sick passer,mad ball handling skills, 3pt threat, 91% FT. Man could do it all.
DrewZ2ube; no Bryant is not every bit as good as Jordan. because a player that's every bit as good as MJ would never have lost in the finals and would be mvp in all of their finals apperances, not just 1 out of 6 and 4 out of 6 in the finals. and would have 10+ scoring titles (like Mike) not just 2. and would average at least 30 ppg in the playoffs/finals (like Mike)
Michael lost a LOT in his career. Im not taking anything away from Michael,Im no fool,but don't talk like he just walked into the NBA and started winning rings. Kobe(when Shaq left)did NOT have anywhere near the supporting cast Michael had,so dont give me the playoff performance jazz. I could care less about stats. They mean nothing coming from players of such calibers.Say what you want,but ability wise Michael has nothing on Kobe. And if you must talk stats, talk 81 points and 63 in MSG.Thanks.
DrewZ2ube: I no Jordan didn't win rings right away. but ur just plain dumb saying ability wise Jordan has nothing against Bryant. are u kidding me?! lemme see Bryant fly from the foul line 6 feet in the air. Air Jordan has the longest hang time of any player at 0.98 seconds. + whole lot of other moves that puts Jordan on top of Bryant ability wise, that 81 pts was a fluke it was against the WORSE team, prime Jordan would have scored at least 90-100 pts on that raptors team if he really wanted to
Okay,first off if you're going to resort to name-calling because I don't agree with what you THINK,get ready to call a lot of people names.The foul-line dunk proves NOTHING as far as basketball skills are concerned. DR.J did it long before Michael and nothing says Kobe can't do it.Hate to break this to you,"hang time" is a myth.Scientific fact.Look it up.Michael DIDN'T score 81.Kobe DID."Could've and would've" is null.Oh yeah,13 3pters in a row.Mike DIDN'T do that either.KB24 is as good.Thanks.
Physics 101-The minute a man leaves the ground he has no control over how long he stays in the air. The moment he peaks,he begins to descend.The only way to stay in he air longer is to jump higher.(And you;re calling ME dumb???)
Ok number one, MJ is wayyy better then Kobrick. I like Kobe great player, but nowhere close to Michael. No one should get LeBron into the situation. End this now. all three of them, 1. michael 2.LeBron 3.Kobe. Anyway, Kobe's 81 points were against the Raptors. Michael got them against the Cavs. Kobe had how many assists? ONE. BALLHOG. Michael 69 points 6 assists. AVERAGE. THERE...I SAID IT!
wrong Drew!, did Kobe ever make it to the NBA defensive team? no! because he's not a good defensive player! he can even guard Gilbert Arenas! MJ is just not a great offensive player, but also a great defensive player..a complete player..with assists, steals, blocks..
and where does Kobe stand?? a ball hog, arrogant son of a bitch! Kobe can never touch MJ..and will never be close to MJ.
i didnt mean that you loser. that is an average amount of assists...get a life and read it closely moron. It was Kobe and LeBron and now the bring michael back into the situation. It is an umbeatable debate and no one will know who is better. stats say lebron. Speed says LeBron. Quickness is probably both...but a little bit more LeBron. In my opinion, LeBron and Michael or better like Kobe said. (ABOUT MICHAEL) He knows LeBron is better, but for some reason he is embarrassed
You know,what?Ever since I've been on YT EVERYBODY seems to have this 7th grade mentality with name calling,which doesn't add much credibility to anything you say.Are you people over 18???Disagree,fine,but name calling?Look,I read what you wrote and called it like I saw it.Keep bowing down before Mikey,I know the truth. LOL @ LeBron"ringless" James.?...now,you want to talk about the word "loser?"Add SORE loser to it too.Bye.
wftf are you talking about?? you're comparing Lebron to MJ?? maybe you can bring that topic again, when Lebron wins 6 championships; 10 scoring titles; NBA defensive player of the game; the only 40 yr.old NBA player to score 50..etc. When Lebron and Kobe can match these achievements, then we can start talking about comparing them to MJ..till then, shut the fuck up, idiot!!
Do you think Kobe would've gotten those 3 rings with the Lakers without Shaq? answer me!! Trivia for you: Who's the only NBA player who won rookie of the year, and won scoring title on that same year? it's not Kobe, and you already who I'm talking about!! If Kobe played in Michael's time, he'd be dead! Players before were very physical, because the rules ain't that strick..compare to now, scoring is easy as 123.
Kobe fanboys tend not to, because they bring you idiots back to reality & FORCE you to deal with what "IS" instead of what you think/believe..
"ability wise Michael has nothing on Kobe"
If you're talkin' physical ability, now I KNOW you're a moron. If you're talkin' skill wise, then please SHOW US from within kobe's on-court body of work, where he's CONSISTENTLY produced BETTER results in the "skilled facets" of the game..
Bitch. I dont give a shit what you indoctrinated Jordanites think. Ive heard ALL of YOUR(PLURAL)bullshit and Im still not moved. All this MJ shit has turned into a damn RELIGION. I don't think MJ is a GOD. I don't think he's the GOAT. ANd I think Kobe is EVERY BIT AS GOOD. Now go home and cry because you failed to FORCIBLY convert one to your following! Damn.
That would imply that I believe something is true, with NO tangible EVIDENCE or FACTS to substantiate it's validity & we BOTH know that's not true. I can verify EVERYTHING I've said by simply highlighting MJ's career marks..
Now you dumb ass kobe fanboys on the other hand..talk about being "indoctrinated" LOL!!
You morons state your opinions of kobe being superior to MJ as ABSOLUTE fact & INSIST that you're right, but can't SHOW any PROOF of it whatsoever LOL!!
maybe now yall will stop hating kobe now that ur beloved mj has noone saying they are better...this is stupid..it will always be opinionated whose better..ur gonna have to accept that cuz no matter how many people u argue with there will always be more who think different
you forgot one of the best rebounders of the game Dennis Rodmand! top 5 3pt shooters of all time Steve Kerr. bulls bench were deep 10! even phil said that. kobe said jordan is the best of all time!!! hes keeping it G homie!!! hes not gona say hes the best or shit like that!!! come kid you got to be smart about that... plus jordan face who in the final??? hornacek, brian rusell... the only great known Defenders who guarded MJ were John Starks and Dumars!
well stop acting like a kid!!! if you dont put kobe with the great one then you're retarded dude!!! the only teams you mention that had great defenders were the pistons and knicks!!! i give full credit to MJ... but the rest seem like a softer version!!! and yes like i said MJ is still the greatest of all time! i never said he wasnt!!! its just you kobe haters that say kobe is no where near MJs breath!!! that is just being stupid!!! kobe is still 30! he aint done bro. cant finish the comparison
I love Kobe. My point is no matter how you look at it, Mike is the greatest. Why even talk about who played the harder or softer teams. All of that other shit is a waist of words. Let Kobe finish his career and then attempt to compare and or mention him in the same breath as Mike.
I dont understand what you mean with this kid shit but knock it off. We're talking about basketball.
well you cant put MJ like untouchable. If you want to talk about the best of all time then lets put Bill Russell in the conversation!!! or Oscar robertson or wilt chamberlain who avg 50pts per game... simply kobe has proven his one of the best of all times already so dont say he cant be in jordans breath!!!
you are right but scoring 50 pt per game for 80 games??? cant touch that son!!! and excuse me that wilt was a paper champ!!! lol Oscar robertson avg a triple double for a season!!!! thats untouchable! Bill Russells 11 titles!! thats untouchable!!! they are the greatest ever!!! whom did the impossible to possible!!!
and im not saying kobe is better here either!!! is just you stupid irrogant kids say kobe is no where near jordans breath lol thats what makes you kids so stupid!!!
First off u can't say Kobe isn't better cause his team got swept by Dallas if that was the case MJ would be twice as worse due to the fact MJ got swept 2 times before
Jamalling25 6 months ago
@Jamalling25 no, MJ is better cause Kobe said he was...
BIGOHIONUTS2 5 months ago
@Jamalling25 Kobe was swept in 97 and 98 learn your history.
MegaSplash1 2 months ago
Well if there was ever any doubt. That bullshit he let happen in Dallas closed the case for good.
TheAnomaly24 8 months ago
this video is old. ask him again.
Fazotronic 1 year ago
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blackadam06 1 year ago
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@Fazotronic
The childish & ignorant claims of his dumb ass kiddie fan base is what's old.
He just reiterated these EXACT sentiments on NBA TV last week in an interview. The only people who are just dumb enough to keep insisting otherwise, when ALL of the facts & tangible evidence CLEARLY proves it, are U morons..
blackadam06 1 year ago
all of ya should jus stfu. and stop sucking jordan. kobe is a better overall player than jordan. jordan jus had the physical and athlete gifts that made him unstoppable, and dont forget to mention that no perimeter player in the 80's played 1on1 defense like they do now. if kobe played in the 80's. im sure he'll average 40 ppg every year. trust me
lapalapa15 1 year ago
@lapalapa15 LOL TOTAL FAIL
IGattsI 1 year ago
@lapalapa15
Why don't U STFU because U sound like the typical dumb ass, ignorant kid from this retarded generation.
If your ridiculous comment had ANY merit to it, then where's the on court RESULTS from kobe to PROVE it? A 39-40 yr old MJ was avg'n 25ppg 5apg 6rpg 45.3 FG% B4 his '02 All Star break injury..that was in THIS ERA, so that debunks your WEAK ASS claims of him being good because of his athleticism, because at that point, he was 15 yrs REMOVED from his prime!
blackadam06 1 year ago
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"no perimeter player in the 80's played 1on1 defense like they do now"
Oh really? Well I can SHOW U 6 perimeter players from MJ's era that actually WON the Defensive Player Of The Year award. Now aside from Ron Artest, name another...I rest my case..
"if kobe played in the 80's. im sure he'll average 40 ppg every year"
Kobe played the equivalent of almost 4 yrs under the defensive rules MJ played his career under, and couldn't score 40 or 50 pts 1 damn time LOL!!
lapalapa15 = idiot
blackadam06 1 year ago
There will never be another Michael Jordan,. and there will never be another Kobe Bryant. Plain and simple.
Jreythe2nd 1 year ago
Seriously, Kobe doesn't deserve all this hate.
The only ones who BROUGHT him in this situation are his own delusional fans!!! They are so disrespectful and childish making these silly comparisons! Kobe is a great player and probably the most valuable in the current NBA, but so was Bird, Magic, Kareem etc. They all were the best at one point, but NOBODY could ever come close to the GOAT Michael Jordan.
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If you really are Kobe's fans, gro up and STOP EMBARRASSING HIM and drawing hate!
megatroll 1 year ago
Once again, the game has changed...Phil Jacksons planning has changes the perimeter offensive has changed the game has evolved...so that's pointless now Lebron vs Kobe that's easy..Kobe but Jordan vs Kobe that's a little bit harder!
TheSportsAnylist2010 1 year ago
i think he says that for media sake...who wouldnt want to be The GOAT...he just lets his game speak
Kenuwine24 1 year ago
Jordan dominated his era partly because NOBODY was a better all-around athlete than him.. MJs body was built for bball.. Mj was the best athlete then like lebron is today... There is alot of players that are better athletes today than kobe.. But none more skilled.. Kobe dominates with the skills he has spent yrs of hard work mastering and fine tuning..
boounique3 1 year ago
"Kobe dominates with the skills he has spent yrs of hard work mastering and fine tuning"
Like MJ didn't?
I get so sick of U ignorant kobe homers ALWAYS trying to attribute MJ's greatness, and explain away the OBVIOUS disparity between them, by claiming that MJ was just better athletically, when that's SO FAR from the truth!
If it was all about athleticism, why aren't other freak athletes as great as him then? Long time fans know what you're trying to do when U make dumb comments like that..
blackadam06 1 year ago
You're just trying to away his athleticism in order to make it easier for U to put kobe in the same sentence as him. U think that by limiting the criteria, U can achieve this.
MJ's athleticism didn't create his talent & skill, it only ENHANCED it! That was just part of his game, not the SUM of it!
A 39-40 yr old, past his prime MJ avg'd 22ppg 4apg 4rpg, with NONE of the athleticism of his prime, so to attribute his skill level to his athleticism is disrespectful & ignorant on your part..
blackadam06 1 year ago
Awards and stats have alot to do with circumstance and popularity. If u actually took time to watch video footage of games(not highlights) of both players it should be obvious that kobe can do stuff skill wise that mj neva could. Look up phil jackson interview he said kobe is more skilled but mj had a better nba body.. Dont be lazy do all the research not jus look up awards and stats.
boounique3 1 year ago
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"kobe can do stuff skill wise that mj neva could"
Like what? U kobe homers always say that, but never provide any objective/tangible evidence to validate that ridiculous comment. U always offer up vague opinions but no proof.
Skills are NOT some abstract concept that U can interpret however U want as it suits your need at the time. A player's level of skill at ANYTHING on the floor has & will ALWAYS be DEFINED by how consistently good or bad they fair at it, not by your damn opinion of it..
blackadam06 1 year ago
Kobe is just being humble.. Its not like hes gonna stand there and say "im better than mj and it should be obvious"... Hes not gonna disrespect jordan in public.. Kobe is more skilled than jordan.. But jordan was a better athlete than kobe, period..
boounique3 1 year ago
@boounique3
"Kobe is more skilled than jordan"
For once, I'd like for 1 of U dumb kobe homers to SHOW US where this alleged superior skill of his has consistently translated into better individual on-court RESULTS in the areas U say he's "more skilled" in..just once!! Is that too much to ask of y'all?
Y'all say that shit, but when asked to show & prove U can offer up NOTHING but vague, juvenile, uninformed, ignorant ass opinions on the subject. Where's the EVIDENCE of his superior skill?!!
blackadam06 1 year ago
@blackadam06 actually kobe IS more skilled than jordan even phil jackson will tell you that.. that doesn't mean he's better than mj....I think the whole kobe/mj arguement is dumb. kobe is kobe, mj is mj.
fannypack311 1 year ago
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blackadam06 1 year ago
@fannypack311
He also said back in the '93 finals that BJ Armstrong was the best point guard in the league, when any knowledgable fan KNOWS that a damn lie. Just because he said something doesn't make it entirely true!
How's it possible to individually be "more skilled" at something than the next guy, when U CONSISTENTLY fair WORSE at it than them?!!
If he were, then his on-court production which is the RESULT of the very skill in question, would consistently reflect it! But it doesn't!
blackadam06 1 year ago
@blackadam06 phil got 11 rings with kobe & mj, i think that makes him a good candidate to judge them. . and you can be more skilled but worse than someone. sometimes it's not the skills you have but what you do with them.
fannypack311 1 year ago
@fannypack311
"you can be more skilled but worse than someone"
That's bullshit & U know it..
One's level of skill at ANYTHING in life is DEFINED by how consistently good or bad they fair at it, not by someone's observed opinion of that skill.
If U compared 2 snipers, and Sniper A consistently hit his target & constantly had a higher kill rate than Sniper B, how could someone even begin to make an argument for Sniper B being the better skilled of the two?
U couldn't! You'd look foolish..
blackadam06 1 year ago
@blackadam06 that actually isn't bullshit... "One's level of skill at ANYTHING in life is DEFINED by how consistently good or bad they fair at it" now THAT'S bullshit. Where does it say that skills are measured by consistency? so yeah.. once again, you can be more skilled but worse than someone
fannypack311 1 year ago
@fannypack311
"once again, you can be more skilled but worse than someone"
Ok then...Steve Nash is a more skilled scorer than kobe..Shaq is a more skilled free throw shooter than kobe, and MJ's a more skilled rebounder than Dennis Rodman.
U disagree? Then prove me wrong, and I wanna know HOW you're gonna do it.
I can't wait to hear what kinda' bullshit answer U struggle to come up with on this one...SMH
Fuckin' idiot..
blackadam06 1 year ago
@blackadam06 1.you still never answered my question.. Where does it say that skills are measured by consistency?
2.kobe has a better shot off dribble,handles,shot in traffic,get to the hoop,dunk,superior footwork etc. to nash so kobe is more skilled than nash.
now if nash is able to achieve more and plays better throughout his career he is a better PLAYER.
skills only make up part of the player.. other things are leadership,basketball i.q. and mental toughness
do u really not understand that?
fannypack311 1 year ago
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@fannypack311
Kobe "consistently" makes a higher % of his free-throws, but I say Shaq's "more skilled" at it that him.
U disagree?
Prove me wrong, and I wanna know HOW you're gonna do it.
blackadam06 1 year ago
@blackadam06 hahahah you seem to have a lot of passion & anger defending someone you've probably only watched play on youtube (sad) I never said kobe is better relax, he is slightly more skilled. Disagree with me? i couldn't give a 1,000 fucks what you think.. I'm not here to get your approval or fight over stupid shit.. youtube fights are like the special olympics, even if you win you're still retarded...
fannypack311 1 year ago
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@fannypack311
"you seem to have a lot of passion & anger defending someone you've probably only watched play on youtube"
U know what they say about those who "ASS"-ume right?
"he is slightly more skilled"
Then SHOW ME the consistently superior on-court production in the areas he's supposed to be more skilled than MJ, which would be the RESULT of the very skill in question to PROVE it..
blackadam06 1 year ago
@fannypack311
"Where does it say that skills are measured by consistency?"
The very definition of the word "skill" is "the ability, coming from one's knowledge, practice, aptitude, etc., to do something [well]"
So lemme get this straight....U think it's possible to be "more skilled" than the next guy at something, while consistently fairing WORSE at it than him? LOL!!
Wow..SMH
U kobe homers always try to act as if skill is some abstract concept that U can re-define to suits your claims..
blackadam06 11 months ago
@rockyrack the Media was all over Mjs nuts(for him they had reason to be) just like they r all over Lebricks nuts now. Kobe has never been favored by the media, so dont use the stupid regular season Mvps as a one of your reasons. Kobe has been cheated out of Regular Season Mvps for the last 6 years, not including 2007-2008 when he finally won. At the end of the day Finals Mvp is the one that counts. This year would make number 3. MJ is still the greatest. and Kobe number 2.
lakerfan89 1 year ago
@lakerfan89
"Kobe has been cheated out of Regular Season Mvps for the last 6 years"
??
When Nash won it in '05 & '06, he was putting up double doubles EVERY night & shooting 40+% in 3ptrs and 50% with his reg FG's, not to mention his teams were beating kobe's. When Dirk won it '07, he shooting 40+% in 3ptrs while Kobe was ONLY shooting in the mid 40% overall, not to mention his teams ALSO were kickin' the shit outta kobe's..
Kobe deserved it in '03, but not the last 6 yrs..that's bullshit..
blackadam06 1 year ago
@blackadam06 ..hmm ok.. well since the MVP award is given to people with the most double doubles and highest fg% maybe this years MVP should go to Nene.. I mean the man is shooting 64% from the field...... Most Valuable player is more than just how good you can shoot the rock.. Its who is most valuable to their team. they dont have to have the best team. Kobe Bryant 2005-2006 averaging 35.4 ppg single handedly willed the lakers into the playoffs. did it again in 06-07. Nash had a great team
lakerfan89 1 year ago
@lakerfan89
1st of all kid, NeNe isn't the leader or the most valuable to his team, Melo is. You're really grasping at straws now LOL!!
Secondly, not only were Nash & Dirk putting up better overall (and efficient #s) than kobe, they were the MAIN cog in the wheels that made their teams go & win, and they were beating LA.
"Kobe Bryant 2005-2006 averaging 35.4 ppg"
On 45.1 FG% LOL!! That's mediocre at best..
blackadam06 1 year ago
@blackadam06 you know i was making fun of you right?Dont take it personal its all in good fun.Kobe is a sg. and 45% for a sg is damn good. Last time i check 35.4 ppg was damn good too. It wasnt like it was an unecessary amount to average. the lakers needed every single point. Meanwhile guys like Nash had Amare Stoudamire to help carry the scoring load and keep defenders from keying in. You take Kobe during that stretch off the lakers and you have yourself the worst team in the league by far.
lakerfan89 1 year ago
@lakerfan89
"45% for a sg is damn good"
Hahahahahahaha***wiping my eyes***...that's a good one LOL!!
blackadam06 1 year ago
@blackadam06 MVP= Most Valuable player to their team..C'mon your argument is Nash and Dirk deserved it more becuz they had better efficency ratings?!! look at their teams!!!Kobe was a one man show!! of course he isnt going to be as efficent! Getting Doubled Tripled every game. No one in the low post except Kwame and Mihm!! lol want me to list their rosters?
lakerfan89 1 year ago
@lakerfan89
"Nash and Dirk deserved it more becuz they had better efficency ratings?"
And they also put up better "overall" #s, and were the MAIN reason their teams were WINNING, and they BOTH were beating kobe & LA at the time..
"he isnt going to be as efficent! Getting Doubled Tripled every game"
That never stopped MJ or LBJ from being efficient..
"No one in the low post except Kwame and Mihm"
He's consistently shoots 45% with & without dominant Bigs, so that's no excuse LOL!!
blackadam06 1 year ago
To me kobe is the best ever cause i never grew up to see michael play only in his year when he was old already and playing in the wizards. So to me kobes the best !
tonywkd1 1 year ago
@tonywkd1 i used to be like you. until i watched old finals games of jordan. INSTANTLY changed my mind.
beatmajinsephiroth 1 year ago
@tonywkd1 then maybe you should go watch some M.J. video, so you'll know who is the Gretest Of All Time.
sunnyboy8644 1 year ago
@sunnyboy8644 videos dont prove anything
tonywkd1 1 year ago
@tonywkd1 lol.... ofcourse it does.
sunnyboy8644 1 year ago
@tonywkd1 Check out this vid to see exactly why Jordan > Kobe:
watch?v=xGbuEjt-KIc
gmn545 1 year ago
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"videos dont prove anything"
SMH..so what were U watching when U decided that kobe's better? I swear, U kobe homers get DUMBER as each year passes LOL!!
40yr old MJ: 22ppg 4apg 4rpg <--- in this era
KB's career avg: 25ppg 4apg 5rpg
Those stats are the RESULT of what BOTH did on the court, which can be verified by "video". So lemme guess..that doesn't prove anything either huh? SMH..
U kobe homers are the kings of denial..
blackadam06 1 year ago
Kobe is great and he probably will win number 6 this year but you cannot compare Kobe's first 3 rings to Jordan's first 3. You just can't. We're talking about 2 Regular season MVP's, 3 scoring titles and 3 Finals MVP's for Jordan in 91, 92 and 93. Not to mention the fact that he destroyed hof legends Magic Johnson and Clyde Drexler head to head in his first 2 Finals. He humiliated the all star backcourt of Kevin Johnson and Dan Majerle averaging 41 points in the 93 Finals.
rockyrack2 1 year ago
i respect kobe for that. but not his fans
wertuiop432 1 year ago
It's so ironic. Even Kobe himself acknowledges the truth. THAT is real sportsmanship. The only ones spreading hate are his delusional underage fans who have never witnessed the NBA of the 80s and 90s. I'm sorry to say, but nowadays guys like Kobe have easy play. When I look at today's NBA I see a sad shadow of what it used to be. There is no defense, there is no passion, just tired media whore players trying to sell an image. You can't deny it... NBA is dead.
megatroll 1 year ago
still i agree with kobe here mj is mj and there will never be another mj. but still it must feel good being compared to a legend
Peter258 1 year ago
kobe loves the comparison.. its written on his face
youngcheezy 1 year ago 9
@youngcheezy sure kobe loves the comparison, wouldnt you? but the thing is, he doesnt belive its true, thats what matters
steviedogtobers 1 year ago 2
@youngcheezy
Wouldnt you?
Btw, he sees it as a big (huge!) compliment, not as the truth. Thats the whole point.
Capeau 1 year ago
@youngcheezy show me 1 person who would not love it
Jeru211 1 year ago
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@youngcheezy call me a person who would not love
Jeru211 1 year ago
2 years after this interview, we still get stupid MJ jockers bashing Kobe cause they still think he's tryna be MJ.
z4ng3tsu1ch1g0 1 year ago
WTF KOBE IS KOBE, HE IS THE ONE AND ONLY KOBE, AS WELL AS MJ IS MJ
leo619ribas 1 year ago
Kobe doesnt need to be better than Michael.
Kobe has made a pretty good name for himself.
Kobe will always be known as one of the greats
he knows that which is why i dont think he cares what people think about this
when kobe retires people will say who will be the next mj and kobe
ChicagoEnoughSaid 1 year ago
@ChicagoEnoughSaid There is no Jordan, or Kobe.
Freshustle 1 year ago
@Freshustle ok
ChicagoEnoughSaid 1 year ago
@ChicagoEnoughSaid No they won't. The fact that everybody still compares players to JORDAN, not Kobe tells you everything you need to know. Jordan set a new standard. Kobe has not. Thus, everyone in the future will be compared to the gold standard--Jordan, not Kobe.
utfanatic2000 1 year ago
u guys know thats not all what kobe said. in the full interview his says more. this guy is trying to make it sound like he said jordan is better but he didnt say that
dreday085 1 year ago
shut the fuck up bitce ass fart!;)
MrAxels10 1 year ago
To all the haters, KOBE is a true baller. He doesn't pretend to be better or even equal to MJ. He knows for a fact that Michael is the best there ever was and will be. But without a shadow of a doubt, KOBE is one great baller in his own right.
quiver11 1 year ago 20
@quiver11 agreeed...he is not cocky enough to wear 23 like lebron and FAIL champioship with best season record 2 years in a row....ffs they lost to magic last year and this year they lost to the big trnity of 59 year old celtics..ffs lebron
mike170tube 1 year ago
@quiver11 You need to understand that it is not Kobe that people hate on, its his stupid gay homer fans who think he is the best ever. No doubt Kobe is an all-time great though..
doverdemon 1 year ago
kobe is a great player....but he is not MJ and will never be....nobody changed the game like Mike and if you look at the stats you will understand why....I will say that kobe's jumper is possibly a little more deadly....but seriously Jordan has more rings, more MVP's, more final MVP's, more scoring title's(he averaged about 5 points more a game).....keep in mind he retired prematurely....twice
philday12 1 year ago
@philday12 Wilt Chamberlin can be considered the best, he changed the game an ave & scored more than anybody ever did in 1 game
Louie845 1 year ago
Magic Johnson "There is Jordan, and there's the rest of us"
you can't ask a dumbass from the street or net whos the best player ever.
You ask the best players who is the best ever. Thats how you do things.
If you ever see magic, bird, miller, ewing, robinson, barkley, kareem, dr j, chamberlaint, malone, stockton, dominique, (just to mention a few) say a name other than JORDAN, then we can talk. Otherwise keep dreaming.
LMMFAO
Solanopr 1 year ago
@Solanopr Also, today's teens never saw Michael play. The last time he was on a NBA court playing at his best was 12 years ago. So any kid today was 5 years old or younger back then. I watched Jordan on TV in his rookie year. Even now, Kobe doesn't dominate a game the way Jordan did. Youtube clips aren't enough. There's something missing from Kobe that Jordan had and it's not the 6 rings. At the end of the day Kobe's stats are still all behind MJ's except for 3 pointers.
Scottdvz 1 year ago
@Scottdvz And i totally agree with you. God Bless.
Solanopr 1 year ago
LBJ the best player ever? HAHAHAHAHA!!
sznj94 1 year ago
Lebron "KING" James is the best player ever!!!!! get at me
bigbic18 1 year ago
@bigbic18 ye he is, he got his ass whipped out by rajon rondo.
Comparing anyone with michael is pure blasphemy
fraka899 1 year ago
mj was a great player and he always will . but that doesnt mean that kobe isnt, i think that every should just enjoy the game and make no comparment between the "air jordan" & "black mamba"
christellewardini 2 years ago
this interview is cut,at end kobe says,michael is michael...let me be kobe,let me do my thing,he did his thing now let me do my thing
ELKhalef 2 years ago 2
@ELKhalef He said that?.
let me do my thing?.
But how?.
HA ha ha ha, he is still copying...
000000MJ2345000000 1 year ago
@ELKhalef that doesnt mean shit tho. that just mean he wants ppl to recognize his own personal style of play. the key part is when he says the greatest who ever played describing michael jordan.
Nick22pr 1 year ago
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DrewZ2ube 2 years ago
DrewZ2ube = typical dumbass YouTube kobe fanboy..
As soon as he gets smacked up with the facts, he responds in typical kobe fanboy fashion:
"I don't give a fuck!..bitch..fag..whore..you're a hater!..you're just hating on kobe!..get a life!"
LOL!! You morons are ALL alike..
When faced with the facts, the juvenile, immature nature of you idiots will ALWAYS rise to the surface..
RealFan357 2 years ago
Shit Ive argued facts with the Jordanites countless times and thats all it is-an arguement. I like Kobe,MJ was a great,but Im not losing my hair defending 1 OR 2 MILLIONAIRES on YouTube.
DrewZ2ube 2 years ago
Ok come up with some factual responses now..
go ahead, state five facts to why kobe is more skilled then mj
lets see what they are..Lol
MrTehbigcheese 2 years ago
Ive said it once and I'll say it again-I refuse to to banter anymore. In the end its all bad blood, name-calling, and disrespect. Ive watch basketball long enough to know how to gauge who I think is who from the best of my ability. Everybody here is already convinced of what they believe and there's no changing that. Don't ask me to argue about it.
DrewZ2ube 2 years ago
"In the end its all bad blood, name-calling, and disrespect"
You should know being a kobe fanboy in all!
MJ fans attack y'all because you're ALWAYS trying to discredit MJ & his era, while being TOTALLY ignorant about it.
MJ's legacy & career is a CONSTANT reminder to y'all of what kobe's ISN'T & you resent the hell out of it LOL!! This is WHY you guys try & discredit it in order to be able to make a more favorable comparison for kobe LOL!!
RealFan357 2 years ago
I can't help but notice how much you guys laugh at your own statements.
DrewZ2ube 2 years ago
Really?
Then you shouldn't have ANY problem determining the "source" of that laughter..
RealFan357 2 years ago
I hope Mike's paying you well.
DrewZ2ube 2 years ago
No more than kobe's paying you..
RealFan357 2 years ago
Oh no. Don't put that on me. I make a statement on what I think about Kobe THEN I get jumped on by Jordanites hurling personal insults everywhere. I react, I admit. But by that point it has little to do with Michael or Kobe. Come on,seriously,you know half the people who fight on here would get along in R/L whether they loved or hated MJ or Kobe.
DrewZ2ube 2 years ago
What's this have to do with VALIDATING what you claim about kobe? That's WHY y'all get attacked!
You kobe fanboys ALWAYS try to state as ABSOLUTE FACT, your uninformed opinions about kobe in reference to MJ, & then when knowledgable fans break out the facts on you guys, you start crying like sissies & claiming someone's picking on you..
If you're bold enough to put up these false claims about kobe in reference to MJ, then don't start crying when knowledgable fans crush that shit the facts..
RealFan357 2 years ago
Now see, I never said there were 5 reasons Kobe was better. as a matter of fact, I never said Kobe was BETTER. I said he's every bit as good.
DrewZ2ube 2 years ago
Yes and you keep saying that? How is kobe just as good when hes consistently coming up with lower numbers in an easier era?
lmao..
MrTehbigcheese 2 years ago
Im not doing it man. Pick someone else to argue with.
DrewZ2ube 2 years ago
Im not gonna subscribe this shit
CoolGizmo335 2 years ago
i know that nobody is better than mike, but is it possible that a kid could come in and be better?
casualwashingtons 2 years ago
yep. might not be in your lifetime though.
JayT98 2 years ago
im 17 so it would be cool to see a better player when im like 80 or so lol
casualwashingtons 2 years ago
there is a VERI low chance of that happening.. lebron , wade,melo,kobe.. none of these guy's have mj's athleticism.. mj's vertical was 48 inches, out of the players today lebron has the highest with 44..+ mj played in a tougher,bigger, more def based rules era.. larry brown and scottie pippen have said mj wud avg 50 ppg today..
i just dont see a guard coming in to the league, and end up avg 30 ppg, 5 ast, 6 rb over a 15 yr career.. not to mention hold over 20 records lol
MrTehbigcheese 2 years ago
well it isnt possible in this lifetime, but generations are getting more and more athletic. I dont think there will be a player better than mj for a long long time, but i think it has to happen eventually.
casualwashingtons 2 years ago
in 50 or 60 years maybe... but i dont think so.... but u will have to look at it as legends perspective even if that does happen..
MrTehbigcheese 2 years ago
"none of these guy's have mj's athleticism"
couldn't disagree more.
DrewZ2ube 2 years ago
Lmfao Kobe IS the only player I know expected to win championships without help. Seriously all I ever hear is "He couldn't win without Shaq" and now "He couldn't win without Pau?!" Of course he couldn't basketball's a TEAM sport.
MJ would NEVER have won without Pip. Magic NEVER would have without Kareem/Worthy. Neither Larry without Kevin/Parish.
So this whole thing about putting Kobe's accomplishments down because of his team makes little sense.
xTheKagedBirdx 2 years ago
Michael couldn't have won without Pippen.
DrewZ2ube 2 years ago
very true. kobe coudlnt have won without shaq or pou.
redassasain18 2 years ago
MJ MADE Pippen
superflypandaguy 2 years ago
Even if that's true,Mikey still couldn't have won without him.
DrewZ2ube 2 years ago
Magic has said Bird was the best.Bird has said Magic was the best.Of course Kobe's going to say Michael is the greatest,but I'll have you know,when asked about Magic,Kobe replied"Best ever."All these guys say the other was the best.Who's going to jump on TV and proclaim dominion???...Mike is arrogant enough to,but I don't think he has.
DrewZ2ube 2 years ago
kobe with a tap out
dimedropper1992 2 years ago
The sickest thing is the FORCE FEEDING and the NAME CALLING.Trying to make people believe what you believe, and see what you see.Ridiculous.
DrewZ2ube 2 years ago
search this in youtube, and tell me, if your opinions are better than theirs..Kobrick fans!! --- "Is Michael Jordan The Greatest Ever? Magic Johnson, Charles Barkley, Danny Ainge, Kenny Smith..." - copy/paste that title, and face the truth.
jasonism123 2 years ago
well no shit they're gonna say Jordan is the greatest... they played during the same time as Jordan..
phivanle 2 years ago
WHEN ARE YOU GUYS GONNA STOP COMPARING MJ TO KOBE?? WHEN IN FACT, KOBE THERE ABOVE, ALREADY ADMITS THAT HE CAN'T COMPARE TO THE GREATEST PLAYER OF ALL TIME!! stop fighting for Kobe, he already submitted!!
jasonism123 2 years ago
If you guys don't understand what kobe is saying then y'all just in it for yourselves
Kobe Said it right there and if you don't believe in what he says then do you really call yourself a fan of kobe?........
Kobe Bryant is a great player don't get me wrong, but you can't put his name up with Michael Jordan
dimedropper1992 2 years ago
really? why cant you put his name up there with him....Kobe is only second to Jordan.
8MunchenBayern8 2 years ago
He's second but still really far if u understand what im saying
dimedropper1992 2 years ago
yes, you're right
jasonism123 2 years ago
exactly! Kobe can't touch Michael..he just wishes he can..I don't know if there will ever be a player greater than MJ. The kids today think Kobe is the best..poor kids, they never saw the greatest.
jasonism123 2 years ago
Fans are entitled to their opinion & everybody has to respect that. Let me quote correctly your comment DrewZ2ube, "Kobe is every bit as good as Michael." Reality would refute your opinion. Actually there is no such thing as equal, in your words "as good as", some things/individuals may have similarities but in no way they are identical, equal, or the same. Each one us is UNIQUE.Something, somebody has to be better than the other/s, no way to be equal!
bengolsal20 2 years ago
Actually, if you will only be critical about everything about these two players and discuss, analyze, and compare every category which includes the stats, the skills, talents, leadership, achievements, awards, records and all, I DOUBT IF KOBE could be the same level with Michael... It's something every FAN should ponder upon..
bengolsal20 2 years ago
how about opponents? that has a lot to do with how great a player is.. Jordan didn't play against players that Kobe's facing today.
phivanle 2 years ago
Hell YES you are RIGHT! AMEN!! Ive said that a thousand times before but the Jordanites
have blinders on!
DrewZ2ube 2 years ago
players today are weak and inferior. The rules don't allow any contact whatsoever. Might as well be playing with a bunch of women. You can fool some of the people some of the time. But you can't fool all of the people all of the time. Everyone recognizes that the NBA today should really be called WNBA.
JayT98 2 years ago
Did understand what Kobe has said?? MICHAEL JORDAN is the greatest.. Kobe is one of the greatest but not the best ever.. when you say "bit by bit", kobe is better, then I say YOU MUST BE KIDDING!
bengolsal20 2 years ago
Kobe is every bit as good as Michael. People are just going to have to get used to that. Seriously, people say Michael's the greatest because its been made into a mantra now. I won't say Kobe is BETTER,but EVERY BIT AS GOOD. I still have Magic as the greatest ever. 6'9, plays any position, outright sick passer,mad ball handling skills, 3pt threat, 91% FT. Man could do it all.
DrewZ2ube 2 years ago
DrewZ2ube; no Bryant is not every bit as good as Jordan. because a player that's every bit as good as MJ would never have lost in the finals and would be mvp in all of their finals apperances, not just 1 out of 6 and 4 out of 6 in the finals. and would have 10+ scoring titles (like Mike) not just 2. and would average at least 30 ppg in the playoffs/finals (like Mike)
^ enough said
frusionnn 2 years ago
Michael lost a LOT in his career. Im not taking anything away from Michael,Im no fool,but don't talk like he just walked into the NBA and started winning rings. Kobe(when Shaq left)did NOT have anywhere near the supporting cast Michael had,so dont give me the playoff performance jazz. I could care less about stats. They mean nothing coming from players of such calibers.Say what you want,but ability wise Michael has nothing on Kobe. And if you must talk stats, talk 81 points and 63 in MSG.Thanks.
DrewZ2ube 2 years ago
DrewZ2ube: I no Jordan didn't win rings right away. but ur just plain dumb saying ability wise Jordan has nothing against Bryant. are u kidding me?! lemme see Bryant fly from the foul line 6 feet in the air. Air Jordan has the longest hang time of any player at 0.98 seconds. + whole lot of other moves that puts Jordan on top of Bryant ability wise, that 81 pts was a fluke it was against the WORSE team, prime Jordan would have scored at least 90-100 pts on that raptors team if he really wanted to
frusionnn 2 years ago
Okay,first off if you're going to resort to name-calling because I don't agree with what you THINK,get ready to call a lot of people names.The foul-line dunk proves NOTHING as far as basketball skills are concerned. DR.J did it long before Michael and nothing says Kobe can't do it.Hate to break this to you,"hang time" is a myth.Scientific fact.Look it up.Michael DIDN'T score 81.Kobe DID."Could've and would've" is null.Oh yeah,13 3pters in a row.Mike DIDN'T do that either.KB24 is as good.Thanks.
DrewZ2ube 2 years ago
Physics 101-The minute a man leaves the ground he has no control over how long he stays in the air. The moment he peaks,he begins to descend.The only way to stay in he air longer is to jump higher.(And you;re calling ME dumb???)
You believe in Santa Claus too?
DrewZ2ube 2 years ago
By the way,Michael's foot was ACROSS the FT line,not behind it. Look for yourself, its there.
DrewZ2ube 2 years ago
Ok number one, MJ is wayyy better then Kobrick. I like Kobe great player, but nowhere close to Michael. No one should get LeBron into the situation. End this now. all three of them, 1. michael 2.LeBron 3.Kobe. Anyway, Kobe's 81 points were against the Raptors. Michael got them against the Cavs. Kobe had how many assists? ONE. BALLHOG. Michael 69 points 6 assists. AVERAGE. THERE...I SAID IT!
franticfreakshow 2 years ago
"Let me quote correctly your comment DrewZ2ube, "Kobe is every bit as good as Michael." Reality would refute your opinion."-bengolsal20
That's your view and opinion of reality,not mine.Thanks.I never said EQUAL.
You Jordanites need to stop trying to FORCE FEED your obsession.
And"THERE... I SAID IT!" makes nothing true or untrue.Kobe is as good as Michael ever was.Have fun stroking each other.
DrewZ2ube 2 years ago
wrong Drew!, did Kobe ever make it to the NBA defensive team? no! because he's not a good defensive player! he can even guard Gilbert Arenas! MJ is just not a great offensive player, but also a great defensive player..a complete player..with assists, steals, blocks..
and where does Kobe stand?? a ball hog, arrogant son of a bitch! Kobe can never touch MJ..and will never be close to MJ.
jasonism123 2 years ago
Mikey never AVERAGED 69 and 6.
In '87 he averaged his highest 37 and 4.
Wtf???
Mikey began his career in 84 but didn't win a ring until '91.Oh yes,truly this is great....
And what,he started winning rings when all the greats were going or gone.
Not to mention he did it with a hall of fame cast.
Its got nothing to do with negatives, its having all things considered.
DrewZ2ube 2 years ago
i didnt mean that you loser. that is an average amount of assists...get a life and read it closely moron. It was Kobe and LeBron and now the bring michael back into the situation. It is an umbeatable debate and no one will know who is better. stats say lebron. Speed says LeBron. Quickness is probably both...but a little bit more LeBron. In my opinion, LeBron and Michael or better like Kobe said. (ABOUT MICHAEL) He knows LeBron is better, but for some reason he is embarrassed
franticfreakshow 2 years ago
You know,what?Ever since I've been on YT EVERYBODY seems to have this 7th grade mentality with name calling,which doesn't add much credibility to anything you say.Are you people over 18???Disagree,fine,but name calling?Look,I read what you wrote and called it like I saw it.Keep bowing down before Mikey,I know the truth. LOL @ LeBron"ringless" James.?...now,you want to talk about the word "loser?"Add SORE loser to it too.Bye.
DrewZ2ube 2 years ago
wftf are you talking about?? you're comparing Lebron to MJ?? maybe you can bring that topic again, when Lebron wins 6 championships; 10 scoring titles; NBA defensive player of the game; the only 40 yr.old NBA player to score 50..etc. When Lebron and Kobe can match these achievements, then we can start talking about comparing them to MJ..till then, shut the fuck up, idiot!!
jasonism123 2 years ago
how about you just shutup...suck it
franticfreakshow 2 years ago
Do you think Kobe would've gotten those 3 rings with the Lakers without Shaq? answer me!! Trivia for you: Who's the only NBA player who won rookie of the year, and won scoring title on that same year? it's not Kobe, and you already who I'm talking about!! If Kobe played in Michael's time, he'd be dead! Players before were very physical, because the rules ain't that strick..compare to now, scoring is easy as 123.
jasonism123 2 years ago
hahaha, I like this! Kobrick, lol! Kobe is just an arrogant MJ influenced superstart.
jasonism123 2 years ago
he also picked up 19 rebounds MJ
dimedropper1992 2 years ago
"I could care less about stats."
Kobe fanboys tend not to, because they bring you idiots back to reality & FORCE you to deal with what "IS" instead of what you think/believe..
"ability wise Michael has nothing on Kobe"
If you're talkin' physical ability, now I KNOW you're a moron. If you're talkin' skill wise, then please SHOW US from within kobe's on-court body of work, where he's CONSISTENTLY produced BETTER results in the "skilled facets" of the game..
kobe fanboys = delusional retards
RealFan357 2 years ago
Bitch. I dont give a shit what you indoctrinated Jordanites think. Ive heard ALL of YOUR(PLURAL)bullshit and Im still not moved. All this MJ shit has turned into a damn RELIGION. I don't think MJ is a GOD. I don't think he's the GOAT. ANd I think Kobe is EVERY BIT AS GOOD. Now go home and cry because you failed to FORCIBLY convert one to your following! Damn.
DrewZ2ube 2 years ago
Indoctrinated?
That would imply that I believe something is true, with NO tangible EVIDENCE or FACTS to substantiate it's validity & we BOTH know that's not true. I can verify EVERYTHING I've said by simply highlighting MJ's career marks..
Now you dumb ass kobe fanboys on the other hand..talk about being "indoctrinated" LOL!!
You morons state your opinions of kobe being superior to MJ as ABSOLUTE fact & INSIST that you're right, but can't SHOW any PROOF of it whatsoever LOL!!
RealFan357 2 years ago
maybe now yall will stop hating kobe now that ur beloved mj has noone saying they are better...this is stupid..it will always be opinionated whose better..ur gonna have to accept that cuz no matter how many people u argue with there will always be more who think different
BZOE 2 years ago
y the fuck people cares so much about stats? fuck stats, the way they play the game and winning is more entertain,
StFuMoThErFuCkEr 2 years ago
Kobe is mentioned in the same breath as Mike mainly because Kobe modeled his game after Mike. He studied the great one.
tw1704 2 years ago
Kobe kept it G. Mike is still the greatest.
tw1704 2 years ago
true!!! but remember kobe is only 30 and his career aint over and gots more titles than mj when he was 30
la00kers 2 years ago
Mike never had a SHAQ. Lets keep that in mind.
tw1704 2 years ago
kobe never haded a pippen lets put it that way
la00kers 2 years ago
1. Ariza/Odom=Pippen
2. Shaq then Gasol/Bynum -vs- B. Cartwright then Luke Longley
3. WUT DID KOBE JUST SAY???
Dont waist your time trying to make this arguement. WATCH THE JORDAN HIGHLIGHTS AGAIN.
tw1704 2 years ago
you forgot one of the best rebounders of the game Dennis Rodmand! top 5 3pt shooters of all time Steve Kerr. bulls bench were deep 10! even phil said that. kobe said jordan is the best of all time!!! hes keeping it G homie!!! hes not gona say hes the best or shit like that!!! come kid you got to be smart about that... plus jordan face who in the final??? hornacek, brian rusell... the only great known Defenders who guarded MJ were John Starks and Dumars!
la00kers 2 years ago
What about the first 3 Championship?
What about team defense?
Look at what great defenders that Jordan scorched in the playoffs BEFORE the NBA Finals.
Lets not take credit away from the great teams that gave the bulls a run for their money.>>Pacers,Jazz,Blazers,Knicks,Pistons,Sonics,Suns,etc.
Who does Kobe's game resemble?
Mike is still the GREATEST OF ALL TIME!!!
BTW, Im not a kid. Im 32yrs old.
tw1704 2 years ago 2
well stop acting like a kid!!! if you dont put kobe with the great one then you're retarded dude!!! the only teams you mention that had great defenders were the pistons and knicks!!! i give full credit to MJ... but the rest seem like a softer version!!! and yes like i said MJ is still the greatest of all time! i never said he wasnt!!! its just you kobe haters that say kobe is no where near MJs breath!!! that is just being stupid!!! kobe is still 30! he aint done bro. cant finish the comparison
la00kers 2 years ago
listen...mike is that great,no one is near him,look at stats,am out
NBAtalk1 2 years ago
look at kobes milestones!!!
la00kers 2 years ago
I love Kobe. My point is no matter how you look at it, Mike is the greatest. Why even talk about who played the harder or softer teams. All of that other shit is a waist of words. Let Kobe finish his career and then attempt to compare and or mention him in the same breath as Mike.
I dont understand what you mean with this kid shit but knock it off. We're talking about basketball.
tw1704 2 years ago
well you cant put MJ like untouchable. If you want to talk about the best of all time then lets put Bill Russell in the conversation!!! or Oscar robertson or wilt chamberlain who avg 50pts per game... simply kobe has proven his one of the best of all times already so dont say he cant be in jordans breath!!!
la00kers 2 years ago
Wilt was a paper champ, im sorry but greatness is authenticated in the finals and wilt just didn't live up to his potential.
187Sozum 2 years ago
you are right but scoring 50 pt per game for 80 games??? cant touch that son!!! and excuse me that wilt was a paper champ!!! lol Oscar robertson avg a triple double for a season!!!! thats untouchable! Bill Russells 11 titles!! thats untouchable!!! they are the greatest ever!!! whom did the impossible to possible!!!
la00kers 2 years ago
and im not saying kobe is better here either!!! is just you stupid irrogant kids say kobe is no where near jordans breath lol thats what makes you kids so stupid!!!
la00kers 2 years ago
true, to that I really don't think one is better than the other...they're both the best in their own way...
EraFilmEnterprises 2 years ago