Rand Paul "I Would Argue That We Don't Have Capitalism In Health Care Now! pt.1

[concussedcarneous]

when neither the socialistic system nor a nationalistic healthcare is working so why not give free market a chance, huh

[stripesthebird]

move to somalia you libertarian fags.

[rmcdaniel423]

The caller at 6:00 is a fricking idiot. He's worried about jobs being sent overseas if there is more free market capitalism in health care. Health care is done LOCALLY. It HAS to be. What good is a nurse if she's in Hong Kong? LOL

Also, he complains of politicians giving financial favors to select corporations. I'm sooooo sick of people equating that sickening "corporatist" or "mercantilist" practice with capitalism. True free markets have NOTHING to do with political influences.

[swu880]

remember it was the Fed which caused the great depression!

[baigandine]

Paul is right. The choice is between a new socialistic healthcare plan and the one we already have.

[studentofsmith]

I agree with one thing he said: Health insurance should act like an INSURANCE program. When you buy home insurance does it cover the cost of changing light bulbs or repainting? Of course not because those are predictable expenses that you can budget for. Heath insurance should cover large, unexpected expenses not your annual physical.

[Mistraker]

Libertarians are nutjobs.

[MrMZaccone]

@Mistraker How so?

[LIGHTRONIX]

@Mistraker Wow I really like the point you make, it was very insightful.

[816cameron]

LOL cell phones. Chickens, now cell phones!!

[swu880]

And if you want your business to be government owned & regulated, go right ahead! But i should warn you, EVERY LAYER of bureaucracy consumes resources & makes businesses much LESS efficient

[halcyon0830]

Neocon Israel-Slave AIPAC-Owned War-Loving-Puppet Zionist Crypto-Jew Rand Paul Is THE OPPOSITE of Ron Paul.

Zionist Neocon Rand Paul WAS CREATED by Israel..

judicial.coolpage. biz/ttran_paul.htm

spectator. org/blog/2010/04/22/rand-paul-­and-israel

news.yahoo. com/s/csm/20100526/cm_csm/3040­23

Rand Paul is NOT Ron Paul, Rand Paul IS Joe Lieberman, Look what Rand Paul has said and believes in

Neocon Pro-War Rand Paul the Establishment GOP

time. com/time/politics/article/0,85­99,1972721,00.html

[Thetruthishere11]

@halcyon0830

i agree. it's strange he wants us in the middleeast. thats real hypocrisy.

Aipac = foreign lobbying. Our congress works for foreign countries.

[bananito3]

Dr. Ron Paul/Dr. Rand Paul 2012

"ONLY Doctors WILL HEAL the USA"

[animebondagfan]

AAAAMMMMMAAAZZZZZIIINNNGGGG GO RAND GO RANND GO

great video thanks for posting it..bye

[CuntTornado]

We had "libertarianism" in the late 1800's. It didn't work out so well.

[Thetruthishere11]

@CuntTornado

LOL. how so?

Freedom is bad? Yeah, thats what libertarianism is. You want to be controlled and owned like a dog huh.

[CuntTornado]

@Thetruthishere11 Unfettered capitalism= child labor, no minimum wage, no overtime pay, no workers comp, no guaranteed safe working conditions, etc.

That was "libertarian" life. Talk about being owned!

[Thetruthishere11]

@CuntTornado

Thats not control asshole. If you want more money then start your own business.

Freedom better than state run.

[CuntTornado]

@Thetruthishere11 You are clearly a retard. Do you think EVERYONE can start their own business? (I'll give you a hint....the answer is no.)

[Thetruthishere11]

@CuntTornado

LOL.  Democrats can't!

[CuntTornado]

@Thetruthishere11 Ok, have fun in your fantasy land where everyone is rich and no one pays taxes! Say hi to the Easter Bunny and Jesus while you're there!

[Thetruthishere11]

@CuntTornado

public should not be allowed to vote themselves money. Then taxes would be very low.

[CuntTornado]

@Thetruthishere11 "Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes … known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few.… No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare." -James Madison

You want to save money? Stop the insane military spending.

[swu880]

@CuntTornado abolish the Fed & stop these bullshit bank practices like "Bullshit loans"

[swu880]

@CuntTornado lol- do you think government owned buisiness is better than you owning it & running it yourself? buyer & supplier. This is purely sacred relationship

why the hell you want a government which is pure bureaucracy running the show & breaking the relationship?

[CuntTornado]

@swu880 "Buyer and supplier" leaves out "Worker and owner". Who is going to protect the workers from exploitative business owners? How long do you think an unrestricted labor environment would last before business owners were paying less and less of their workers and demanding more?

[swu880]

@CuntTornado o wow... u know the more you talk the more ridiculous your statements. You want some outside CORRUPT bureaucratic 3rd party to own your business- how ingenious. There is NO room for government other than to protect the sacred relationships: School- Teacher/Student/Parent Market- supplier/consumer

Work place- employee /employer

[swu880]

@swu880

The only thing the govt should do is make sure that private interest groups & companies get their asses out of govt. And govt gets its ass out of my individual private rights & buisiness. I could care less if YOUR rights are violated or infringed. So long as MY rights don't get infringed & i dont have some dumbass bureaucrat snooping around my businesses & private affairs

[CuntTornado]

@swu880 Listen, you (and the rest of the utopian libertarian crowd) need to read up on history and philosophy. Unfettered capitalism is unsustainable. That's why there are NO countries that have it.

As for our government, I agree it is corrupt, but at least there is a semblance of oversight. These insurance companies (who are nothing more than unnecessary middlemen) do whatever they like, deny coverage etc and NOTHING happens to them.

[swu880]

@CuntTornado Nationalizing health insurance is probably the most foolish thing you could do. It would totally violate the patient doctor relationship. And you will be asking government to make your health decisions for you.

Its a huge step towards socialism & tyranny

[swu880]

@swu880 Capitalism & free trade relies solely on Supply & demand. Of course while no system is perfect & every system has poor people, socialistic policies forcibly make virtually everyone poor except for few extremely wealthy. Social security is a good example of the fraud of socialistic policies & also look @ what happened to ussr when they tried to nationalize grain distribution

[CuntTornado]

@swu880 There has never been an actual socialist society. The revolutions have all failed in the early stages resulting in despotic regimes. As I said, read up on history and philosophy. Take some time to read the arguments against your position, you'll be better for it.

[swu880]

@swu880 capitalism & free trade are really the only systems which can let you do what you want so long as you do not infringe on another's rights. However today's economy is CORRUPT- we have private companies trying to levy special benefits & government support; government over regulates & screws everything up by trying to nationalize everything. Whenever govt gets involved, it ALWAYS screws up- at least within past century

[swu880]

@swu880

from education to social security to even the water distribution, government has made a mess of things. I say just have govt butt out of my business & get those private special interest groups out of govt or disband them

If you seriously think that centralizing power & resources in the hands of the few will ever produce better results than controlling your own resources & power, you are sadly mistaken. And it will only result in your raping. USSR tried to centralize food control

[swu880]

@swu880 That is purely a socialistic policy. Guess what happened- most people never got any grain or food!

To see the problems with socialistic policies & stuff like welfare & social security, check out Milton Friedman's discussion. He makes it clear, socialism will never work . Although intentions may be 'good', like all marxist policies, it goes against all of that which is good & leads to stagnation, more problems & obvious corruption. That tends to happen when you foolishly centralize power

[baigandine]

@swu880 But we had such a good century.

[swu880]

@baigandine

ur right- we had skyrocketing inflation such that ur fuckin dollar lost over 99% of its value in less than a century! and we have this gigantic fed creating massive bubbles & all of the buisiness cycles. we have an entire ponzi scheme of a govt which throws u into debt. yeah im sure its great- continue to live in ur little bubble

You can not blame any of the financial disasters on capitalism- ALL every fuckin one of the economic & social disasters are instigated & caused by govt!

[Thetruthishere11]

Medical community probably pushed for laws in medicare and caid for no price mobility.

[MrJacquefresco]

so basically rand,if you make min.wage you should be excluded from getting health care! bullshit!

[juhtuhb1]

Contact lenses and LASIK-surgery. Please call 1-800-RAN-DPAL for a free consultation from Dr. Paul.

[ConspiracyHist]

Rand is a bad ass hopefully the CIA dont kill him or his dad because we all know the CIA is a criminal cocaine dealing agency of the devil!

[pizzakid770]

hahaha!

Hahahaha, that guy is funny! that caller, hahahaha!

[ICantDecryptTheCode]

When "Ron" and son "Rand" run for president in 2012 their campaign slogan should be

"Dumb and Dumberer"

The apple dont fall far from the tree.

[ConspiracyHist]

@ICantDecryptTheCode and when Ass-Clowns like you comment they should put tardboy who listons to the government and believes everything they say! you probably voted for Barry Soetoro didnt you numb nutz!

[ICantDecryptTheCode]

@ConspiracyHist

lol. people who believe in "governmental conspiracies" have no credibility.

[ConspiracyHist]

@ICantDecryptTheCode Credibility with who? The Mainstream Media, or history? because you dont have to venture too far to find out alot of what we think we know is a load of crap! Even Hitler burnt his own Reichstag down to gain dictatorial power... But Oh no thats just too Machiavellian for our nation right? The Government wouldnt ever lie to us oh no!

[StudioManic]

I'm glade they chose articulate and intelligent callers. They axed good questions.

/sarcasm>

[jimberkt]

nice idea but as the man said prices will fluctuate wildly while the market tries to figure out the 'real' prices. That's fine with cell phones and lasic where you can choose to buy at your leisure when prices are low. You cant choose to buy low when you get hit by a car or get some virus. The choice element that exists in cell phone markets does not exist in health care. No one chooses to get sick.

[Deadwind002]

It doesn't matter if Capitalism doesn't theoretically push prices down, even if it most likely would, anyways. It doesn't matter - that's because the government is not supposed to dictate, in any way, the right of someone elses services. You have a right your life, your liberty, your property. All this does is open the door to keep putting it's foot in to other realms of private life. Health service is labor. You do not have a right to someone's elses labor.

[SamuelRiv]

false dichotomy. It's not a single-axis issue. Both sides are looking to make reform that can happen as fast as possible with as little upset to the status quo. Major overnight upheavals are not done in democracies - a toothless reform passes, business adjusts, reform gets stronger, adjustment, and so forth until we have medicare, medicaid, social security, etc at the point that we do now. There is nobody with a brain in DC who isn't aware of this.

[hadrian270]

Wow, I am suprised that Rand could even understand Antonio from NC.

[theshaggyskinhead]

The school system has failed Antonio from NC.

[Joem734]

Our debate on this issue is scary. People like Rand are the ones that really want a BETTER system. The idea that more government will fix this situation is laughable. If they get it through, an even bigger part of the American spirit dies.

I have always figured we would continue towards socialism. Hopefully the Rand Paul and Peter Schiffs of the world can pull enough people together so we can stop this insanity. No one could argue that government doesn't make a mess of virtually everything.

[greyflcn]

re: Joem734 Care to explain why every other developed country 1. Has lower prices 2. Has better results 3. Has a federal program greyfalcon. net/ healthcare What's more, if deregulation were the answer. Why is Texas the state with 1. The most deregulation 2. The least healthcare coverage in the country 3. The highest rates of premium increases in the country greyfalcon. net/ tort What's "Scary" about this debate is when people stop paying attention to reality. greyfalcon. net/ reality.png

[Joem734]

There is NOT A FREE MARKET with health care in this country.

We have a horrible system. We essentially have prepaid, not insurance. Non-insured sectors of the health care industry is where the prices are drastically falling and technology is getting better. Corrective eye surgery, plastic surgery, ect.

Have you ever even asked a doctor how much something was and then compared it to others? Of course not. Any market run that way would have high prices.

We get it, government is your answer.

[greyflcn]

re: Joem734

I agree with you.

And there is no free market for healthcare in any country.

Since a market which bases prices on how much someone wants to continue being a self sufficient and alive human being, is not a market which keeps prices near to actual costs.

greyfalcon. net/ healthcare2

It's a market where the primary reason prices go up, is almost entirely due to excess profits.

greyfalcon. net/ overhead3

[Joem734]

Competition is the life blood of any market. We seem to like it everywhere BUT health care.

We also are seeing discount clinics in Wal-Mart and others are performing better and costing less.

The government is going in the wrong direction. We need to be listening to the likes of Rand Paul and John Mackey. But we see all the other great things the government does and we want in on that. :)

[greyflcn]

re: Joem734

Of of course, but treating discretionary, low barrier to entry markets the same as the (expensive parts of) healthcare is rather naive.

Since it's decidedly NOT discretionary, and NOT low barrier to entry.

And as for the low cost stuff, that's already covered out of pocket anyways via deductibles.

[eifersucht2]

Last i checked, the government cant even manage the damn U.S. postal service without crashing into huge deficits.

[silverdesk48]

Excellent Rand Paul !!!!!!

Support Rand Paul....with your vote and also any

financial support you can give to help him with him campaing...and to help YOU.

[djacobox372]

Finally a republican that makes sense.

Insurance = socialism!

Of course it's unreasonable to expect anything as PRICELESS a health to actually work with capitalism, the idea that private socialism is better then government run socialism is ludicrous.

[marniespeaks]

the market place sucks for cell phones and contact lenses - Americans pay more for both than anywhere else in the world and if you have bad health like bad credit you wouldn't be eligible for health care.

There's too much wrong with his idea especially, they won't work in the US. his own statement makes it clear the US is not a capitalist it's run by corporations - you have to end corporate personhood first before any economic changes

[hehateme00000]

Promoting free enterprise markets does deter the control of corporations who practice monopolistic capitalism.

What this guy is saying makes perfect sense.

[marniespeaks]

it's not gonna happen - too much cronyism

You have to end corporate Personhood to even start to make any real change, with out that corruptions will constantly run rampant

[Invirtuo]

That's because in Europe cell phones are subsidised. But we have inferior cell phones to Americans so it's a trade-off

[marniespeaks]

even in the Middle East and Africa cell phones are cheaper

[spyletu]

price levels are affected by the standard of living in that area.. all things in new york are drastically more expensive than the same ones in LA.. i suppose that's the fault of the market also.

[marniespeaks]

nope, these prices were adjusted SOL

[spyletu]

cost of labor? interest rate? lawsuit cost? tax passed onto the consumer?

[marniespeaks]

we are being ripped off in every way shape and form by corporations, they own the place, you are just a cog

[spyletu]

whatever you show me a plan where honest small business owners like my dad and uncles won't be hurt and we'll talk.

[marniespeaks]

you have to learn civics and then you have to make sure everyone you know are civic minded.

without that you're little more than a slave to the powers that be and that's living an immoral life

[spyletu]

you realize this involves a lot of people, i'm not trying to bash you, but preaching ethics isn't going to solve this complicated problem when so many people's different interests are involved. you have consumers, the government, the companies, and even taxpayers all intertwined in this system. the very fact that we're even debating this with a 500 character limit is a funny idea.

[marniespeaks]

Do you even know what civics is? This is supposed to be taught in 8th grad and high school. Most states require a test.

Civics n. The branch of political science that deals with civic affairs and the rights and duties of citizens.

This used to be taught in school

[spyletu]

you're pretty hard to talk to. i don't know if it's because you're getting bashed a lot or something, but i'm not moving towards an insulting conversation so i'm not sure why you're getting all defensive. you realize civics stem from the constitution and the original system of our government. there has been a lot of unconstitutional legislations passed, and textbook authors can be biased either one way or another depending on who's writing it.

[spyletu]

and every school uses different textbooks. you could be referring to having children study what a constitutional government and society is like, which would be the civics course, but i doubt that's what you were getting at. so i logically assumed you're implying a lot of opinionated morality and ethics related issues in your own version of civics education you've received, since the majority of the legislations are passed on good will but few accomplish so. need i explain much?

[spyletu]

if you would even address the latter half of my question, which was how "a course that's not even an objective study on a real constitutional government, but a study of government intertwined with subjective ethics and morality" can solve the complicated issues we have today, instead of going on a rant with yourself and move the conversation to an unproductive insulting manner, a failed one at that might i add, i would appreciate it. or we can just save our time.

[gold95]

Unfortunately he comes off as a regular Republican candidate. He needs to spend more time rebuking the Republican party and set him apart form the Neo conservatives.

His message needs to be: I am NOT a regular Republican.

Some of the callers are morons..

[NoBailout4Banksters]

Rand Paul 2010

Need him as Senator to prepare him for VP in 2012.

Dr. Ron Paul/Dr. Rand Paul 2012

"ONLY Doctors WILL HEAL the USA"

[steveomac385]

@NoBailout4Banksters

If he was anything like his father I'd agree.

[ryanthomastew]

Rand Paul 2010!!!

[coffeebuzzz]

Holy fuck, this dude SAVES $8,000 per year by having a higher deductible, my FULL private health insurance premium only costs $1200 with a $500 deductible. Your American hospitals and doctors surgeries must be made from solid gold.

[LCFlowercandy]

Lol!!!hahahahahalolhahehehehah­a ---

Seaman. Hehehehahahahaha

Rand Paul 2010

Ron Paul 2012

[RodgersRevolution]

How do you plan on getting elected? They are republicans.

[Patrickhenry23]

Seaman ...anyone who thinks that this system has been practicing "capitalism" is delusional. Having a private central bank print money out of thin air , create bubbles then bail out your friends through the use of force (Gov't) is nothing remote to "capitalism".

[Navywxman]

I get so tired of these crazy ass Libertarians and thier fictional picture of the world.

1st, we do have capitalism. Its not the 'pure' kind Libertarians yap about but that has never and could never exist.

2nd, even if such a thing could be done prices could only lower so much, millions would still be unable to afford it, millions would still go bankrupt, lose retirement, kids college money etc. in the face of a catastrophic illness or accident.

This fiction he pushes could NEVER work

[SirFinklebottom]

you're a retard.

[Navywxman]

SirFink - If your a Libertarian, than right back at you!

[Patrickhenry23]

navy weather man ...so it's capitalism when the gov't takes control of GM and pumps in bilions and hands a portion of ownership over to the AFL/CIO and screws all bond holders by tearing up contracts? It's capitalism when gov't bails out banks and other corperations and pumps money created out of nothing over to Goldman Sacks. You've so stupid and crazy ass your the one that's so stupid to think everyone's going to keep working and paying into crap.

[Navywxman]

Pat - For one dont tell me what I think. Keep your crazy projections to yourself.

Yes what is going on is capitalism, its just not the fictional kind you like. Wealthy. capitalist interests ran amok unregulated and nearly destroyed their system and they had the Gov that they own use us to bail out themselves and save the system to keep the casino rolling.

That is capitalism and welathy interests doing what they do. I hate it, but Libertarian ideas are pure, delusional fiction

[KlPi79]

Abolish the government! Ron Paul for President of the NWO!

[bugglewump]

Rand Paul is fucking idiot. Sundry goods like shoes and ipods cost less than they used to because the companies that manufacture those products pay their employees less and less. Companies should not be allowed to profit from sick and dying people.

[jcfrith]

Your argument doesn't hold water. The people who are making these "sundry items" are making more at their present jobs than they were at their previous job. How can I prove this? It's because these people have to have some incentive to take the job. There is a reason that the nations are referred to as "emerging economies." The companies making these products are demonstrably paying their workers more and more in order to compete in the emerging economy

[leafwatch]

People make more per hour than ever. The reason they have less is because inflation by the Federal Reserve has reduced the buying power; since 1913, the dollar has lost 95% of its value.

Plus we pay more taxes than ever.

But with all that the cost of goods privately produced falls while ALL government programs run at a deficit and cost more every year. It's logical; gotta pay all those bureaucrats, lobbyists, and crony contractors.

You should learn real economics facts before getting steamed

[Bugg4n]

Oh lord, you dont seem to have any kind of understanding when it comes to modern society. What do you think have been dricing thw world forward for the last 1000 years? Free enterprise, eg capitalism.

If we were to follow your illogical argument we would let the gouvernment take over the distribution of food as well. Why should evil companies profit from hungry and even starving people?

[Craw0124]

Bugglewump, where are your facts backing your assumption that companies pay people less and less? There is not a set amount of wealth that gets divided amongst people. When a company produces a product of value that wealth is created, it is not taken from another individual. Go learn economics before you make ridiculous comments.

[KlPi79]

There's no capitalism in the system because there are only a few huge corporations and there's no real competition. That's what a public option would fix.

[jcfrith]

how exactly would monopolizing this portion of the health care market add competition?

[KlPi79]

Monopolizing? How so?

[jcfrith]

How many entities would be competing for consumers under a "public option"?

[KlPi79]

One more than today. The number of private insurers available in the given region, plus the public system.

[jcfrith]

Well ring the fucking bells! One more option!! How nice of them to offer one more option to 350 million people.

Lest we forget, It is the state that limits the number of "acceptable"choices" in the market. It is the state that subsidizes those "acceptable"choices" to entrench those "acceptable"choices" within the market place. it is the state that offers tax breaks to employers to buy a "perk" for employees with the employee's own earnings

[jcfrith]

It is the very fact that consumers in this market are not the customers that has sent health care costs spiraling upwards since the passage of the HMO Act of 1973. And you have the state to thank for that. Government has already granted powers of monopoly to a few select companies in the market. "The public option" is just a change of address in who holds that monopoly

[KlPi79]

Umm... okay. Rand Ronpaul for President.

[historyofpainters]

I love the Paul family! They are true patriots!

[PresidentRich]

New hair? No way! Rand needs to rock the curls!

[exafc]

Is it just me or does he have a new hair cut?

[MooseOfReason]

Maybe it's just wet.

[campaign4liberty]

Thank you - posted all 3 parts on dailypaul(dot)com where rEVOLution has home.

[Pvtjamesryan2]

5:45

"I want to axe him a question"

LOL

[RoyalDemonforChrist]

there is no competition in the insurance industry. so of course the obvious solution is to crack down on competition even more with the ultimate goal of having no competition. right?

[PersianPaladin]

The insurance companies have been carrying out mergers for years and becoming more powerful and overarching.

Government did not make them do that. Government gets involved in Medicare and Medicaid but that is not the majority of the market. The majority of the market is employer-based private insurance and its bad for the little guy. Mind you, Obamacare would be even worse because it results in corporate fascism.

[RoyalDemonforChrist]

actually government did make them do that with regulation.

[CivilRadiant]

We need less govt restrictions so that there is actually competition in the health care market.

Hence why you can't buy insurance across state lines right now.

[snipzor]

Do you actually know what created the regulation you mentioned?

...

Republicans and democrats who were paid off by the health insurance industry. That's what. Same goes for how in some states, domestic abuse can be considered a pre-existing condition. Guess what, health insurance industry money paid republicans and democrats to keep it the way it was.

So government isn't the problem here. In fact, it isn't even close to truth.

[CivilRadiant]

"Republicans and democrats who were paid off by the health insurance industry." = Govt.

Which is why we need to get people like Rand Paul into office and bring about intelligent reform.

[snipzor]

No, it equals the health industry making their own rules, and they don't want any bloody thing to get in their way. So government is hardly the damn problem.

[RoyalDemonforChrist]

no. you are the problem. stop getting sick you weakling. we cant afford to finance your pathetic pitiful existance

[oldtownkid]

To think that removing state line rules is going to make Ins Co's reduce premiums is wishful thinking. Big insurance companies will continue to do what they're doing now, but also will overwhelm smaller companies, also states with higher health risks like Kentucky and WV would have a tough time trying to find companies providing them the prices that they manage to get under current law. Also remember that the exchange item offered by the house is inter-state, so there won't be state lines anyway

[xTheOxx]

Hey, who wouldn't want insurance that is the health equivalent of a 14$ WalMart cell phone?

While we're at it, if dead bodies can be turned into a cheap food source for lower income people, who are we to stand in the way of free enterprise?

[TheElefaunt]

I love Ron Paul by i am starting to hate Rand,

sucking the blood of his brother

[FixedNewsChannel]

???

It's his dad.

[PersianPaladin]

The private sector has failed for the majority of people and discriminated against the sick. Privatized hospital insurance has failed in the market. Government corporate healthcare in the form of Medicare and Medicaid have also been bad because they are just a form of corporate subsidies. However, lets not hide the facts - people are getting assf*cked by the insurance companies through their employers on the open market.

[twilightawakening]

And their going to get doubly fucked if the government forces Insurance companies to accept everyone who applies. Rates would double at least.

If an insurance refuses to fund something they claimed to fund they've broken their contract. I suggest people do their reseach and find out if their conditions are covered by certain insurance.. and if it's not... don't buy it!

[DawnOfTheLiberalDead]

Insurance companies hire people to extensively comb through peoples medical records, in order to deny care. I was denied payment of anesthesia for major surgery. In some states, they deny care to women whom have ever been the victim of spousal abuse.

There is no case to make that insurance companies are corrupt. It's not debatable, it's fact.

[SaintEntreri]

If you think that more government involvement will lessen this corruption you have never looked at the results of a federal program.

[terpis]

Any state fool enough to let raving crank Jim Bunning represent them ought to jump at the chance for Rand "let the market be the death panel" Paul to take over the job of funneling wealth to the upper tax brackets.

Also, imagine the tragedy of being named after the worst novelist in history.

[Intervene]

Rand Paul 010

[justonefirefly1]

Agree Snipzor - what an idiot - I know he is Ron Paul's son but he is an idiot. As a doctor - why doesn't he protest on their limiting the number of people that can become doctors. A cell phone? Yes - doctors rates have been going up and they stick together - now you rarely see the doctor - you see a nurse. maybe...do you need a cell phone? Can live without one. This idiot makes more than enough to cover 5g's Yes insurance is going up because they can. Profitting from the sick and dying.

[BobForehead]

Ahhhh, i see... so "health care" = "insurance" and the "magical Engine" = "the Invisible Hand" and "Walmart" = "The Best Of All Possible Worlds". Fully. Sign me up at a competitive rate.

[snipzor]

Well if that's your argument, that's a pretty shitty argument.