Glendale University? This video is sooooo amateurish. WOW. For a second I thought "damn, can there actually be two sides to this story", but obviously there cant because the Young Turks planned out and committed genocide.
@MrDenocan The reality is that the Young Turks perpetuated a genocide against the Armenian community.Maybe some Armenian nationalists wanted an Armenian homeland,but that doesn't justify the Turks response of Genocide.It was carefully planned out and executed by the Young Turks to kill and/or deport all Armenians from their ancestral land.There are countless accounts of the incident from the American ambassador in the empire to European missionaries.People that deny it are ignorant
Lets go back to the video....it says an Armenian American named Albert Amatow (sounds Jewish), admitted that the genocide was a lie and had his statement notarized. Anyone can notarized anything they want in the US, having something notarized doesn't mean it becomes reality.While the voice is talking about the document, the video shows a date of 1992 and the Notary Publics name. WOW, what great investigative journalism. .
"It has diverse view points that help us to understand this common conflict between Turks and Armenians". This is only putting armenians as terrorists and liars. The kurds participation on armenian genocide is quite clear. Unlike Turkey, they actually had apologized for it about 10 years ago. I don't really think that turks are getting the message about genocide. What we are saying is not ALL the turks wanted ALL the armenians to be dead. What we are saying is that Otoman Empire wanted to do so.
''we dont hate turks we hate their government'' (LOL)
''we dont say turkey commit genocide to armenians,ottomans did''(LOL AGAIN)
''long live france,armenia and france brothers''(this one is newer)
ottomans=turks you got it?we dont accept your retarded propagand.there was no genocide commited by our ancestors.you armenians tried to commit genocide but you failed.now you whine whine and whine.
@jeahdude37 First of all, grow up. Secondly, if you think that Ottomans and turks are the same, then you are living in 19th century. And I really hope that you don't think that your government is the representation of whole Turkey.
Btw, your answer is putting pretty clear that you haven't read mine.
@jeahdude37 "ottomans and turks are the same.ottomans are our grandfathers" --> This is a contradiction
"and I really think our government represent us." --> You can think that your government represents you (singular) and you have no telepatic power connecting all the turks to be able to come to the statement that your government represent all the turks.
Those are basics. When you become able to use them correctly, we will talk.
@jeahdude37 I'm afraid our current government is too corrupt, willing to conform to the Western lies to accommodate European and American forces. They're going against the people's ideals and values, they've "adapted" to the Western way.
xa xa xa xa xa Van is an ancient armenian city?))))))))))) u r really funny. by the way . i am a film -maker and want to take a film about stupid -cunts. can you please play as an actor in this film? I will give u so much money which is the most important thing for armenians.they can sell their cunts, ass holes, dignity for money. referring to these features belonging to armenians,I expect u will say ;YES:
I am neither Turkish nor Armenian but I feel as far as the forced migration of Armenians go, their actions were justified because during WWI a large amount of Armenians living in the Ottoman Empire began to defect to the Russian side. In other words they betrayed their country and it began forcing the migration of Armenians out of the ottoman empire. But that's something you Armenians seem to have forgotten huh? Only remember the sins of your enemy (even almost 100 years later) but never your o
You're all idiots and dumbasses if you think that genoside is a lie and even some dickheads think that armenians did the genoside now in franse it in against low not to agree of existing armenian genoside
Armenians claim Anatolia, some Iranian soils, Karabagh, Balcans too...You are sticky Insects armenians...Griboyedov(russian dipomat, 1828) letter to Tsar: "My Tsar, do not let armenians migration to russian lands or they will cling those lands as they do now in Small Caucasus!" Pushkin: "You are lier, you are slave, you are thief you are an armenian"..FROM OLD TİMES ARMENİAN CHARACTER WAS KNOWN TO EVERYBODY!!! wake up world..HİSTORY HAS PENİS İN ARMENİAN ASS!!)))
In all this game, the devil is losing and at the end will be accused of everything because GOD don’t want any rivals. Conclusion: live at the full in the freedom of GOD (praying in a right form, following the INSTRUCTIONS in the Bible - keeping the 10 commandments - including keeping the Saturday as the 7th day etc.) instead of in the incapacity and limited power of devil because he is just a temporary puppet. Jesus Christ is our savior and our hope!
" All Turkish children also should be killed as they form a danger to the Armenian nation"
Hamparsum Boyaciyan" . Cited from Mikael Varandean, "History of the Dashnaktsutiun." ("History of the A.R.Federation" ["H. H. Dashnaktsutyan Patmutiwn," Paris,1932 and Cairo,1950]. The author [1874-1934] has other works, including "L'Arménie et la Question Arménienne," noted in the library as "Delegation propaganda authenticated by the Armenian delegation at the Paris Peace Conference, 1919"])
The stories of massacred Turks by Armenians civilians are fabricated by the Young Turks (in coperation with the Germans, their allies at that time of WW-I) to have a good excuse for their unfolding plans with the complete Armenian people: to get complete rid of them because they stood in the way of their projected Pan-Turkish-empire.
Tallaat Pasha (1874-1921) wrote: ‘By continuing the deportation of the Armenians to their destinations during the intense cold we are ensuring their eternal rest.’
@vabalasable 40 milyonluk Azerbaycan Türkerine de mi verdiniz? Nasıl bir azınlıksa bütün dünyayı becermiş. Ermeni ve Rum'un zihniyet yapısı işte bu, ırkçılık.Sanki akdeniz yüz tipi diğer tiplerden üstün , ne farkı var bunun nazinin ırk üstünlüğü fikrinden? Ermeniler, D.Anadolu dağlarından akdenize Türkler sayesinde inmiştir. Akdeniz yüz tipini heralde size zamanında Rumlar vermiş.
Armenians together with russia tried to annex a big chunk of eastern Turkey Ottoman government decided to deport the Armenians to Syria. On the way a lot might have died no denying it.Genocide means the extermination of an entire ethnic group supported by the government. But Ottoman government never carried out such an order. Thats why the Armenians in western Turkey weren't touched Only Armenians in eastern Turkey were deported to stop the Russians and Armenians from annexing eastern Turkey.
@vabalasable xa xa xa xa xa ancient armenian city?))))))))))) u r really funny. by the way . i am a film -maker and want to take a film about stupid -cunts. can you please play as an actor in this film? I will give u so much money which is the most important thing for armenians.they can sell their cunts, ass holes, dignity for money. referring to these features belonging to armenians,I expect u will say ;YES:
stupid turks cant admit that they killed the armenians,because they know that it is true and the armenian genocide happened,innocent armenians died from starvation, stabbed to death, hung,turkey u need to know that u are wrong there is proof of the armenian genocide. give it up, admit,pay for ur freking crime.SHAME ON TURKEY
turkey was in 3 wars...russia, england, and armenia. god let us by, and let us keep our turkish culture, while the armenians tried taking it away from us.
@turkmage33 before turkey learned of culture and civilization, turkish culture consisted of a nomadic lifestyle-- living in tents, nomadic warfare, and an occasional rapes along the way.
turks emerged from the mongols.
whenever armenians start behaving like your ancestors, then you may insist that armenians tried to steal anything from turks.
until then, keep enjoying the armenian culture turks have stolen.
@nuneh the armenian culture is NOTHING like the turkish cultures, i think you should learn. if anyone stole anything from anybody,it had to be another country stealing from the turks. e.g., the greeks have stolen baklava from the turks. turks were the ones who had made it, but greeks were the ones to introduce it to the world.
@turkmage33 even the most hateful turk wouldnt say something as ridiculous as "the armenian culture is NOTHING like the turkish cultures"... but you did.
@turkmage33 if turks & armenians were exactly the same,they wouldnt be called two different things, now would they?
my point is that since turks moved to the caucuses, they have taken many aspects of armenian culture and have labelled it theirs.
like i said, starting with land & continuing to armenian folk songs
funny story, kardes had a concert where she was singing armenian songs.under the comments, there were turks saying things like "armenians need to stop stealing turkish traditions" LOL
@turkmage33 no... why would turkey cry? you live on beautiful armenian, greek & georgian land and with their stolen culture.
why would you cry for the past 96 years. you've shamelessly been lying for the past 96 years.
well, except for when turkey was under the rule of Damad Ferit Pasha. Then, turkey admitted and punished for the armenian genocide. now, somehow history has been altered. hahah
What the PKK is doing now is very similar to this...they say Turkish soldiers kill Kurdish civilians. Same intentions take place here, they want their own country too. I'm sure either the European forces or Russia promised Armenia some land and they turned against the Turks. The Ottoman empire had too many enemies thats all...
@nuneh "my turkish country" is far more credible and sensible than a whiny,pathetic,extremist armenian like you and the asylum renegade. "my turkish country" is good enough for me to live in,apparently armenia isnt good enough for you. your posts here contradict what you wrote on your page,as you attacked turks multiple times. "overwhelming proof" would be the part 6 or 7 of this documentary,proving that armenians committed atrocities. nothing overwhelming about forgeries and irrelevant photos.
@ibuyukuran5 yes, turkey is very credible! JUST PUT ALL OF THE TRUTH SPEAKERS IN JAIL OR KILL THEM SO NO ONE ARGUES AGAINST YOUR LIES.
just a word of advice for the future, if you insist on falsifying a truth and labeling it as a "lie," you need sources to support what you have to say.
just being a resident of turkey doesn't give you the authority to say whatever you want, and have it become the truth.
i know it works like that in turkey, but not in the rest of the world ;]
@nuneh hey dumb ass,why dont you stop pretending to know anything about turkey..its pathetic..
armenians are great at firebombing the houses of scholars who dont agree with them..or killing turkish diplomatic officials..2 armenian writers who think your genocide claims are propaganda..you have to revert to lies,since you claimed that pamuk was sent to jail..armenians are very credible,considering they use holocaust photos and FORGERIES to support their claim
@nuneh ...nope..what bothers me is your ignorance,hypocrisy and your lack of perspective..you constantly make up lies..and get the fuck out of here with that tired drama queen act,you ignore armenians firebombing peoples houses,bombing an airport or other types of terror attacks-you have no right to whine about "turkeys crimes"-which is completely irrelevant to history-i guess you are too stupid or blind to understand that armenians have done the same things..give me an excuse for the bombs
@nuneh after every single election in armenia,the human rights group express concerns about the fairness of the proceedings..what about the countless incidents in armenia?if a bodyguard of the president in turkey beats somebody to death for insulting the president, he would at least be arrested,he wouldnt walk away..way to say nothing at all-how can people be killed or jailed due to article 301?article 301 is not the type of law you can get death penalty for and death penalty been abolished
@ibuyukuran5 how is your concern for armenian elections' outcomes relevant in our conversation?
we're talking about the genocide here.... how many minorities have been killed due to your concern of how armenia elects its presidents? DON'T TRY TO MOVE AWAY FROM THE FACT THAT TURKEY IS A MODERN, FASCIST COUNTRY... KILLING OR JAILING MINORITIES THAT DON'T CONFORM VIA ARTICLE 301 OF TURKEY'S PENAL CODE.
@nuneh so you shift the armenian genocide debate to turkey,than complain when i show you that armenia is a lot worse?talk about being hypocritical..anyone who thinks turkey is fascist is completely blinded by his hate..this speaks volumes of the level of asshole you are..and you use politically correct words again..again,your lobbyists managed to get france to totally supress freedom of speech by charging individuals for "denying" the armenian genocide..forgot about that?
@ibuyukuran5 no one has shifted any debate to turkey.... THE DISCUSSION OF THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE HAS ALWAYS BEEN REGARDING TURKEY.
DO YOU SPEAK ENGLISH?
turkey is the one sending millions of dollars worldwide with hopes that they will help them delete history
do u want to explain how turkey just got caught bribing the United States to hide armenian genocide documents? Sibel Edmunds, who is also turkish, lost her job for speaking the truth
i doubt u will,its not convenient for shameful turkey
@nuneh fabricating laws for your racist,divisive,baseless cyber-rants makes you a sly,swarmy punk. you are deliberately being hypocritical,you accuse us of "racism" yet you just attacked a race again. its glaringly obvious that you are foaming at the mouth behind the keyboard by the saddening language of your posts- the way you write tells me all I need to know about you...you are an absolute piece of shit. i cannot even respond with a statement to such idiocy. you vile,degenerate cocksucker.
@netcap001 i condemn racism........ i have never attacked any race.
IF YOU OPEN YOUR EYES AND READ WHAT I WRITE, YOU MAYYYY UNDERSTAND THAT I HAVE CONTINUED TO PRAISE TURKS LIKE ORHAN PAMUK, TANER AKCAM, AND OTHERS WHO DON'T GIVE IN TO YOUR SELFISH GOVERNMENT'S POLITICAL MOTIVES FOR LYING ABOUT THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE.
and again, look at your language. is this what's left of turkish barbarianism? ehh, i guess i should call it progress. at least my home isn't on fire right now.
@nuneh saying that "your nation is a fail" is far from "condemning racism". you cannot make one comment which does not include a blatant lie.. you talk extensively about the recent crimes turks have committed aganist armenians,but ignore the armenian terrorist acts aganist turks. this is sheer hypocrisy. and you also signify a black hole of emotional drama in your comments. "barbarianism" another politically correct word that every fag like yourself uses when he is out of ammo.
@netcap001 i'm not just talking about turkey's present crimes. turkey was nice enough to give me examples throughout over a century.... we can start with the hamidian massacres or talk about your minion azerbaijan continuing your will of destroying armenia via the sumgait massacres or we can talk about artsakh/karabagh. whichever-- i understand it's a difficult decision, as there are various examples. :]
you choose, and i'll shut you & turkey down as i already have several times.
@nuneh yes,armenians assassinated their own president because he wanted karabakh to decide its own fate. armenia is far from a democratic country and far worse than turkey from a human rights standpoint, armenians tried to drive out azeri turks from karabakh,i base this on a newsweek article. article 318 for the armenian criminal code is clearly identical. im speaking your language-you started it,i responded to it..simple as that. you take hypocrisy to incredible heights.
@nuneh uh uh..azerbaijan wanted to destroy armenia unbelievable...please tell me that you made that ridiculous statement tongue in cheek
im wondering if akcam has a higher IQ than you now lmao,in your warped mind armenians are angels no matter what they do,their killing,agression and wrongdoing can be jusified simply because they are armenian.
@nuneh uh uh..azerbaijan wanted to destroy armenia unbelievable...please tell me that you made that ridiculous statement tongue in cheek
im wondering if akcam has a higher IQ than you now lmao,in your warped mind armenians are angels no matter what they do,their killing,agression and wrongdoing can be jusified simply because they are armenian.
@nuneh what is it about this that makes you totally lose all common sense when debating about this subject?you produce a lot of silly lies in vain trying to belittle a country. you want to judge a country because of the one murder(which was rash and never should have happened)..this speaks volumes of the level of asshole you are...i could nit pick on your nation the exact way you do on mine,you had no answer when i mimicked your dumb ass arguement and had to revert to excuses
@nuneh ...the commie asylum renegade and the fraud writer have so much credibility now?what about the countless newspaper articles at that time...i.e "armenians attack kurds near erzurum","armenians massacre 400 tartars","armenians burn down villages","armenian bomb factory discovered" etc?i acknowledge every massacre perpetuated by my nation. you cannot do the same. explain the fact that cemal pasha himself ordered two people to be hanged for ill treatment of the armenians. you cant.
@netcap001 YOU SAY ---> "fabricating laws for your racist,divisive,baseless cyber-rants makes you a sly,swarmy punk."
i haven't made up anything..... your turkish government has written, passed, and continues to practice article 301 of the turkish penal code. burn in hell, cowardice liar.
@nuneh ..let me show you how pathetic you are..you can use holocaust,white army(lmao) and other types of irrelevant photos as "evidence" for the "genocide"..you take a painting,one that was painted in 1871 by a russian-and put it in your genocide museum as "evidence"..you can forge telegrams&documents to support your genocide claims..you completely ignore armenians betraying turks and their crimes too,you want to portray them as angles..its a bit difficult to convince people with BS like this
"Hakan Tastan, 37, and Turan Topal, 46, joined the ranks of 97 other Turkish citizens taken to court in the last 16 months over alleged violations of the country’s controversial Article 301 restricting freedom of speech."
GO SEE WHAT YOUR NON-RACIST, ACCEPTING, TURKISH GOVERNMENT IS DOING AND HAS BEEN DOING FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
@nuneh uhh..you may be too stupid to know all this,but a lot of people get convicted over racist comments&rants in the u.s or europe....therefore,your theory makes no sense.
@netcap001 YOU SAY ----> "uhh..you may be too stupid to know all this,but a lot of people get convicted over racist comments&rants in the u.s or europe....therefore,your theory makes no sense."
PLEASE FIND ME ANYYYYY NATION WITH A LAW LIKE TURKEY... WHICH ALLOWS BEING SENT TO JAIL FOR CONVERTING TO A NON-MUSLIM RELIGION.
PLEASE FIND ME ANYYYYY NATION WITH A LAW THAT ALLOWS KILLING PEOPLE FOR SPEAKING THE TRUTH ABOUT THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE & then not properly punishing the criminals.
@nuneh ..you obviously have a problem with reading comprehension,but wait you purposely left one detail out didnt you?didnt those guys say that "turks are a cursed nation"??a lot of people have been convicted for making the same type of remarks in a lot of other countries. yes,there are articles similar to article 301 in a few countries: germany,italy and austrie to name a few. now get the fuck out of here,you have been owned and destroyed again.
@netcap001 YOU SAY---> "a lot of people have been convicted for making the same type of remarks in a lot of other countries. yes,there are articles similar to article 301 in a few countries: germany,italy and austrie to name a few. now get the fuck out of here,you have been owned and destroyed again."
TURKEY IS UNIQUE, YOU BARBARIC LIAR.
GIVE ME THE NAME OF ONE SIMILAR LAW IN ANY OTHER NATION, OUTSIDE OF TURKEY.
your nation is a fail... i wouldnt expect any different from you.
@nuneh ...you have no right to call me barbaric as you are deliberately being sly again. i have yet to see you make any sense. you want the names of similar laws?you want to name of similar laws?arent you tired of being owned? here goes:
@netcap001 HAHAHAHA... i asked u 4 examples of similar laws 2 turkey's article 301
these laws that your stating are NOTHING like turkey article 301. can you give me a single name of a person who has been taken to court & threatened to go to jail for converting to christianity via anyyy of those b.s. "examples" u've failed at??
give me examples of laws like articles 301 of the turkish penal code, not national security laws. ahaha
u bravely said u can give me example from armenia. please, do so
@nuneh -they were not jailed for converting to christianity. seriously kid,how stupid are you exactly? its understandable that you believe what you want to believe-thats hardly earthshattering-as they were convicted for racist rants-which has happened in the u.s or other european countries. armenians massacred a lot of azeris...i base this on newspaper articles at that time. armenia was clearly the agressor in karabakh and none of your hidden agendas can fix that.
you can use holocaust,white army(lmao) and other types of irrelevant photos as "evidence" for the "genocide"..you take a painting,one that was painted in 1871 by a russian-and put it in your genocide museum as "evidence"..you can forge telegrams&documents to support your genocide claims..you completely ignore armenians betraying turks and their crimes too,you want to portray them as angles..its a bit difficult to convince people with BS like this
@netcap001 i had never met a turk that would stoop so low to the point where they insist that even the images of the genocide are "fake" & that the countless telegrams & national archives were fake.
u think that if armenia forged national archives of britain, USA, germany, austria, france... etc. that those countries wouldnt say anything???
you are ridiculous. keep believing whatever makes u feel better about your CRIMINAL TURKEY
@nuneh try to explain this..you can use holocaust,white army(lmao) and other types of irrelevant photos as "evidence" for the "genocide"..you take a painting,one that was painted in 1871 by a russian-and put it in your genocide museum as "evidence"..you can forge telegrams&documents to support your genocide claims..you completely ignore armenians betraying turks and their crimes too,you want to portray them as angles..its a bit difficult to convince people with BS like this
@netcap001 i had never met a turk that would stoop so low to the point where they insist that even the images of the genocide are "fake" & that the countless telegrams & national archives were fake.
u think that if armenia forged national archives of britain, USA, germany, austria, france... etc. that those countries wouldnt say anything???
you are ridiculous. keep believing whatever makes u feel better about your CRIMINAL TURKEY
@nuneh yeah,the russian archives are filled with officer complaints on how armenians treated turks like garbage...apparently the bristol or the harbord report-the niles and sutherland report(which talks about how muslims were massacred by armenians) in the british&u.s archives were just a fluke,considering they completely dispute your "armenians were totally innocent" mentality....ataturk wrote about how the armenians massacred turks in french uniforms in 1918-19..i am in awe of your ignorance
@nuneh yes,some of those photos are fake,as they are present on many other sources on the net as holocaust photos and other books. you were pathetic enough to use white army photos.. the "telegrams" are a forgery,as the part 6 of this video illustrated..i.e meaningless dates,some signatures not matching up with the original ones etc...a 5th grader would be able to comprehend this..you would not believe some of the comments western historians made on those "telegrams"
@nuneh yes,some of those photos are fake,as they are present on many other sources on the net as holocaust photos and other books. you were pathetic enough to use white army photos.. the "telegrams" are a forgery,as the part 6 of this video illustrated..i.e meaningless dates,some signatures not matching up with the original ones etc...a 5th grader would be able to comprehend this..you would not believe some of the comments western historians made on those "telegrams
@nuneh yeah,the russian archives are filled with officer complaints on how armenians treated turks like garbage...apparently the bristol or the harbord report-the niles and sutherland report(which talks about how muslims were massacred by armenians) in the british&u.s archives were just a fluke,considering they completely dispute your "armenians were totally innocent" mentality....ataturk wrote about how the armenians massacred turks in french uniforms in 1918-19..i am in awe of your ignorance
@ibuyukuran5 after the multiple, organized massacres of armenian villayets, the only way turks SHOULD have been treated was like the barbaric garbage they were acting like. did you expect anything different?
IS THAT WHY RUSSIA HAS OFFICIALLY RECOGNIZED THE CRIME OF TURKEY?
typical turkish mentality: anything that doesn't support your alibi was a "fluke" as you call it.
@nuneh ...lmaooo..your logic and reasoning is beyond retarded...russia recognizes armenian genocide?hooray!throw a parade!yeah,russians are such great friends of turks...i wonder why they recognized your "genocide"....that must be why they gave armenia tons of hardware with which to fight azeris...i wonder why they recognized it and did not recognize holodomor,as it bears similarities to the armenian "genocide"...so you approve of the way armenians massacred turks?good grief..wow
@ibuyukuran5 HAHAHAA... you have issues, kid. you talk about holodomor and then you ask "so you approve of the way armenians massacred turks?good grief..wow"
IS YOUR UNFOUNDED TURKISH PRIDE STOPPING THE OXYGEN TO YOUR HEAD? YOU SPEAK OF RUSSIA'S SSTANCE ON THE INCIDENT OF UKRAINE AND THEN YOU ASK SOMETHING OF A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, AND OUT OF THIS WORLD & FALSE SUBJECT? of course, you're a turk.
@nuneh "unfounded turkish pride"..uhh....im not the one who approves and tries to justify many armenian atrocities aganist turks..do some fucking research before you have an opinion on anything...you posted MANY blatant lies here..and then talk about my pride?your hate is way above my pride..fuck you and your worshipping of your nation..you are too blind to understand that ARMENIANS STARTED IT-you know very well that i wasnt trying to shift the arguement to holodomor...try honesty..
@nuneh what a cop out answer-way to attempt to marginalize. you claimed hrant dinks murder was perpetuated by the turkish government and yet you can somehow make EXCUSES for the armenian president getting assassinated..you have to be fair while you are giving excuses,otherwise you will make a total fool out of yourself as you did before by posting a comment with 3 blatant lies. you know as much about history as the reknown fraud who is known to copy-paste other peoples work for his books.
hrant dink's death was the result of a RAGED TURK individual. you know that before his death, he had been charged several times under the turkish penal code, article 301 for writing the truth about the genocide right?
if your government had not allowed this hatred, HRANT DINK might have still been alive.
after his assassination, you know that turkey was charged for not doing a proper investigation of the murder right? of course, it was what turkey wanted.
@nuneh ...correction:hrant dink was never charged...one was dropped,and the other was postponed..the other one would probably drop as well..
another correction: the death was a result of a brainwashed,addict individual
btw:as response to your statement:"the only way turks SHOULD have been treated was like the barbaric garbage they were acting like" your words say it all,you are nothing but bottom of the barrel scum. hypocritical too. you proved that,faggot.
@ibuyukuran5 YOU SAY---> "correction:hrant dink was never charged.one was dropped,and the other was postponed.the other one would probably drop as wel"
READ WHAT YOU SENT, AND REPENT.
IF SOMEONE HAS TO DEFEND HIMSELF, IN ORDER FOR A CASE TO BE DROPPED IN THE 1ST PLACE, IT MEANS THAT HE WAS charged BUT THEN dropped
the point isnt whether he went to jail or not. the point is, turkey charged him just for speaking the truth about the genocide, and hrant dink had to pay lawyers to stay out of jail
@nuneh lets assume that turkey charged him here,for arguements sake..they did it for his racist rants on his newspaper:i.e "turkish blood is bad blood"...and you talk as if you know a lot about law?ur aware that the law system of turkey is different right??i read his racist rants,so what the hell are you talking about?you are deliberately being sly again..this is why you are a worm..now slither back into your hole
@ibuyukuran5 sorry to disappoint you, but only nomadic turks live in caves & holes and i sure as heII am no turk.
don't try to attack hrant dink's character in order to justify turkey's fascist laws.
that same law has charged even turks like Orhan Pamuk for writing of the armenian genocide. Pamuk said, "Thirty thousand Kurds have been killed here, and a million Armenians. And almost nobody dares to mention that. So I do."
why has he been charged countless times??? explain, hole dweller.
@ibuyukuran5 ALSO, YOU SAY "another correction: the death was a result of a brainwashed,addict individual"
that's not a correction. i didnt claim that the turkish government directly killed Hrant Dink. I said an individual did. if your country didnt want people to behave that way, they would have conducted a proper investigation to catch the killer, BUT IT DIDNT. turkey was charged for behaving unjustly and it payed thousands of dollars to Dink's family. that is why hatred continues in turkey
@ibuyukuran5 yes, i said ""the only way turks SHOULD have been treated was like the barbaric garbage they were acting like" AND I MEAN IT.
if you and everyone from your ethnic group was slowly being exterminated, would you just sit there and thank them for killing you uncles villayet the week earlier?
answer that question, so you can hopefully see your hypocrisy as everyone else reading this has the pleasure of viewing.
@nuneh ...you are not an enlightened man(assuming that you are a man,i apologize if you are a woman) by any stretch...your nation is your gospel...you attack turks more zeal than you would defend yourself with..why would anyone praise armenians...its a known fact that armenians B-E-T-R-A-Y-E-D the ottoman empire& they started the atrocities...your base your entire arguement on one article and use blatant lies to support it..
@ibuyukuran5 go ahead: insult human rights seekers like hrant dink's character, insult my beautiful and culture-rich and historical landmark of a country........
BUT FACTS REMAIN FACTS. NO MATTER HOW MUCH MONEY TURKEY PAYS INTERNATIONALLY, NOT A SINGLE NATION BUT TURKS SAYS THAT THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE DID NOT OCCUR, while nearly all including turkeys allies from the time have officially recognized the genocide & have written in the national archives of turkeys crimes.
@nuneh ... a turk killed an armenian..wah,wah,wah...i guess you missed all the armenian terrorist attacks on turks..you probably thought that they were heroic right?and you try to justify the armenian atrocitie..you are too blind to see that armenians started it...an american missionary who went to the ottoman empire in the late 19th century talks about the armenian atrocities aganist muslims..he clearly states in his book and uses armenian quotes as well..you just owned yourself..
@ibuyukuran5 did you pay that missionary like you've paid the united states? hahaha
no country is foolish to accept as fact a genocide if no such thing occurred. all countries have trade interests with turks, but they still believe that HISTORY IS HISTORY and have officially recognized the armenian genocide as fact
turkey can stick to its cowardice alibi all it wants.
thats why the entire world sees turkey as a cowardice nation...even jailing brave turks who speak the truth about the genocide
@nuneh go ahead...name me the turk that was jailed for "speaking the truth about genocide"..unless you want to tell me a blatant lie like pamuk or dink were jailed like you did before...the charges always get dropped..and thats it..nobody can be jailed with article..they can be fined though..with 1 lira(which equals a little more than 50 cents)...ignore the mountains of evidence that armenians betrayed turks and committed atrocities,just like turks did..
@ibuyukuran5 HERE'S THE NAME OF JUST TWO TURKS WHO HAVE BEEN JAILED FOR SPEAKING THE TRUTH ABOUT THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE: dr. ragib zarakolu & his wife
watch?v=MPgg-_s-crU
not only were they jailed, their publishing office was bombed by more raged turks. and, just for your information, he's been taken to court over 40 times for publishing armenian genocide books.
I DARE YOU TO CONTINUE POINTLESSLY TALKING. REPOND!
@nuneh uhh..ur saying that no country is foolish enough to accept lies..yes they are..this is not foolish,but a smart move instead..you dont remember the countless armenian terrorist attacks..but you remember the 1 murder in turkey-which was silly and never should have happened...but you ignore that dink clearly made racist statments..which is why he was sued..you know nothing about history,politics or turkey..motherfucker,you cant just ignore the tons of armenian terrorist attacks and massacres
@nuneh uh uh..that shows that you are an asshole... and who says that armenians were slowly being exterminated?explain the fact that they only deported the ones near the warzone&why didnt they massacre the ones in istanbul,izmir etc?..name the proof of "genocide" for me please,since a genocide has to be official..you dont give a damn about turkish suffering,yet armenian suffering is blown way out proportion by idiots,you included..you religious hypocrite,you know jackshit about history..
@ibuyukuran5 all you do is criticize me in any way you can.... how do you know i'm religios to call me a "religious hypocrite"?
1st of all, deportation wasn't all that was done.
how do you explain the burning of churches while armenians were inside hiding from the killer turks?
2nd, do you know how many armenian women were later saved from turkish harems and turkish homes? they were serving as sex slaves until the Near East Relief saved them.
@nuneh yes,i do know that deportation wasnt all that was done-massacres were committed-but there has to be an official order or intention to determine genocide...
ignore the russian officer who said "armenians massacred 800 turks in one day"..and you have the nerve to talk about turkish officers?what about the army commander who reported "armenians massacred 3000 muslims,we cant stop it"...and unlike you,I CAN READ old turkish to understand that armenians use FORGERIES and we use real evidence
@ibuyukuran5 let me ask you something: if you saw, that week by week the armenians of different villayets were being massacred, would you sit and just wait until the killers came to your villayet?
the only reason i'm alive is because my great grandparents found out that erzurum was next, so they left everything and fled to greece to save their lives.
i don't understand how u think claiming that some armenians were able to establish self defense is sufficient proof against the armenian genocide
@nuneh..help me undersand,please...HOW IS KILLING UNARMED CIVILLIANS SELF DEFENCE..all those people that i mentioned talk about armenians killing civillians..i didnt bring up armenian gangs attacking the ottoman army and disrupting its supply lines..the point is,your whole armenian genocide claim is bogus as you want to make a case that armenians were all innocent....let me guess,armenians were performing surgery to save their lives when they massacred pregnant women
@ibuyukuran5 because all turks & kurds were following the order to kill all armenians.
did you not watch the video of the ottoman turkish officer?
also, when you ask for names... at least acknowledge that you were wrong when i give you what you asked for. that's how civil human beings have debates. they admit when they are wrong and when the other person is right.
@nuneh no,pamuk has never been jailed. you show yourself to be a moron again. akcam escaped from jail,but he was jailed for communist activity. if akcam was a man he wouldnt have been involved in those pathetic attempts to make a red revolution occur,but he is a punk like you,boy.
google "they hate ara baliozian in armenia"..google "edward tashji". why does samuel weems talk about the death threats he recieved?why did the armenians bomb stanford shaw's house?explain
@ibuyukuran5 hahaahahah... YEAH, YEAH. everyone that gets charged for speaking of teh armenian genocide gets their charges dropped.
and you STILL refuse to talk about Ragib Zarakolu & his wife. were his charges also dropped? and was his office just bombed by accident? and was he taken to court over 40 times because they wanted to see his beautiful surat.
@nuneh you have no respect for anyone,you are a condecending hypocrite and a phony as i proved time and time again. you are too blind to understand that armenians have done the very same thing..and you try to justify the armenian terrorist attacks..pathetic. you rip on turks but completely ignore the examples of armenians engaging in the same type of practice.
its so obvious by the way you talk,you are a hypocritical and a flagrant faggot who is in love with the fraud and the asylum renegade.
@ibuyukuran5 you've talked about armenian resentment towards turkish liars... and your telling me armenians have done the same thing as turks?
THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE IS A CRIME YOU CAN'T DELETE FROM HISTORY NO MATTER HOW GOOD OF A LIAR YOUR NATION IS AND NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU BRIBE OTHER COUNTRIES.
why aren't you talking about sibel edmunds who lost her job for speaking the truth about turkey's bribes?
@nuneh fail. matters not,there was no official intention to exterminate a race. what about the countless non-turkish scholars who take a shit on your genocide claims? ..the way you write tells me all i need to know about you. you are a mental midget,you always attempt to shift the arguement. get a clue before you jump to conclusions with your pea sized brain. i bring up armenians massacring turks to prove my point that atrocities were committed on both sides.
@ibuyukuran5 who are these "countless" non-turkish scholars who claim anything against the armenian genocide? you love to talk big, but refuse to accept that every nation that has accepted the armenian genocide uses these historians' accounts. they don't just go by whoever gives them the most money (as turkey wishes).
the world knows. turkey.. you are a criminal government.
you might want to read "Turk 'genocide' author faces jail" from BBC and see how many journalists even organized a protest against turkey's fascist government & human rights abuses.
@nuneh yeah,the armenians with their bomb attacks on people was heroic. again,you talk about orhan pamuk. pamuk was never sent to jail,the charges were dropped. THE END.
@ibuyukuran5 bombing liars who cover up the genocide of approximately 1.5 million armenians isn't heroic.
neither was the armenian genocide conducted by your turkish government.
yeah, keep repeating your b.s. that pamuk wasn't sent to jail.... don't even mention what your barbaric government has done to Ragib Zarakolu & his wife... don't mention the bribes that turkey has been caught giving the United States (by a turkish woman named Sibel Edmunds).....
@ibuyukuran5 YOU SAY--> "& from now on im not planning on responding to your homophobic,divisive,childish cyber-rants"
whattttt????? hahahaaha did you just hear those words and wanted to use them? you obviously don't know what they mean because no homophobic exchanges were even discussed hahahaahahaha
@ibuyukuran5 YOU SAY--> "-its clear that you have no knowledge of history at all-you made up an astonishing number of lies to support your arguement."
REALLLY? that's why you refuse to address any of the sources i've sent you? the problem is that you know you're wrong and that there is no support for your lies, so you refuse just label the truth as "false" without providing any evidence for your b.s. wishes.
@nuneh almost 70 historians. being a "criminal government" is irrelevant,but its understandable that you will have to resort to those type of attacks after running out of ammo and failing to keep up with me on the historical debate. i believe the other dude thoroughly explained how those "nations" were irrelevant?you havent showed me any proof that the "armenian genocide" existed. at least half the things you say are lies-and
@nuneh for the failure,just look in the mirror. you are nothing but a vile,degenerate piece of garbage. other countries recognizing the armenian genocide proves A)how well the armenian propaganda machine works B)they have a beef with turkey
@ibuyukuran5 YOU SAY --> " other countries recognizing the armenian genocide proves A)how well the armenian propaganda machine works B)they have a beef with turkey"
turkey has more money to use for its propaganda (which it does). you still have not talked about why Sibel Edmunds got fired from her job for talking about how turkey bribes teh United States to hide armenian genocide documents.
I WONDER WHY NOT.
also, why do you think all these countries have "beef" with turkey, as you say? EASY
@nuneh & from now on im not planning on responding to your homophobic,divisive,childish cyber-rants-its clear that you have no knowledge of history at all-you made up an astonishing number of lies to support your arguement...its so obvious that you are foaming at the mouth behind your commodore 64 keypad by the saddening language of your posts..yes,pamuk was never,ever sent to jail-you arent even man enough to admit that you posted a blatant lie..your posts prove my point that you're a phony
@ibuyukuran5 ANNNND you cowardly repeat your lies without addressing what was asked of you....
WHY WERE RAGIB ZARAKOLU & HIS WIFE TAKEN TO COURT OVER 40 TIMES FOR WRITING OF THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE? WHY WAS THEIR OFFICE BOMBED? WHY DID THEY GO TO JAIL?????
Glendale University? This video is sooooo amateurish. WOW. For a second I thought "damn, can there actually be two sides to this story", but obviously there cant because the Young Turks planned out and committed genocide.
mmethodus1 2 weeks ago in playlist 08 Armenia (above Iran)
@mmethodus1 What was their porpuse? There is not a one good reason about that...
Are you saying that they just decided to kill off Armenians... Because Young Turks did have racist objectives...
MrDenocan 1 week ago
@MrDenocan The reality is that the Young Turks perpetuated a genocide against the Armenian community.Maybe some Armenian nationalists wanted an Armenian homeland,but that doesn't justify the Turks response of Genocide.It was carefully planned out and executed by the Young Turks to kill and/or deport all Armenians from their ancestral land.There are countless accounts of the incident from the American ambassador in the empire to European missionaries.People that deny it are ignorant
mmethodus1 1 week ago
Lets go back to the video....it says an Armenian American named Albert Amatow (sounds Jewish), admitted that the genocide was a lie and had his statement notarized. Anyone can notarized anything they want in the US, having something notarized doesn't mean it becomes reality.While the voice is talking about the document, the video shows a date of 1992 and the Notary Publics name. WOW, what great investigative journalism. .
mmethodus1 2 weeks ago in playlist 08 Armenia (above Iran)
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!!! DONT CALL EVERY LOST WAR A GENOCIDE Fucking GAYARMENIANS !!!
Mertt03 2 weeks ago
"It has diverse view points that help us to understand this common conflict between Turks and Armenians". This is only putting armenians as terrorists and liars. The kurds participation on armenian genocide is quite clear. Unlike Turkey, they actually had apologized for it about 10 years ago. I don't really think that turks are getting the message about genocide. What we are saying is not ALL the turks wanted ALL the armenians to be dead. What we are saying is that Otoman Empire wanted to do so.
FisNerses 1 month ago
@FisNerses yea yea typical armenian words;
''we dont hate turks we hate their government'' (LOL)
''we dont say turkey commit genocide to armenians,ottomans did''(LOL AGAIN)
''long live france,armenia and france brothers''(this one is newer)
ottomans=turks you got it?we dont accept your retarded propagand.there was no genocide commited by our ancestors.you armenians tried to commit genocide but you failed.now you whine whine and whine.
jeahdude37 1 month ago
@jeahdude37 First of all, grow up. Secondly, if you think that Ottomans and turks are the same, then you are living in 19th century. And I really hope that you don't think that your government is the representation of whole Turkey.
Btw, your answer is putting pretty clear that you haven't read mine.
FisNerses 4 weeks ago
@FisNerses grow up?really?
ottomans and turks are the same.ottomans are our grandfathers and it does not mean i live in 19th century.
and i really think our government represent us.
whats your problem with these??
jeahdude37 4 weeks ago
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@jeahdude37 "ottomans and turks are the same.ottomans are our grandfathers" --> This is a contradiction
"and I really think our government represent us." --> You can think that your government represents you (singular) and you have no telepatic power connecting all the turks to be able to come to the statement that your government represent all the turks.
Those are basics. When you become able to use them correctly, we will talk.
FisNerses 4 weeks ago
@jeahdude37 I'm afraid our current government is too corrupt, willing to conform to the Western lies to accommodate European and American forces. They're going against the people's ideals and values, they've "adapted" to the Western way.
ScientistCat 2 weeks ago
long live France!!long live Armenia!!
vabalasable 1 month ago
Hey Jews! Israel, the U.S. and Europe, it is time to recognize the genocide
vabalasable 1 month ago
Vive la France
vabalasable 1 month ago
this film was taken by americans but not turks. so why do you still deny armenian agressions, armenian terroism. this film is great and adds up!
universitet89 1 month ago
@universitet89 hey professor of sausages.eat my sausage and Go study history.I said -go fuck
vabalasable 1 month ago
@vabalasable my sausage is ready for ur mom))) is she ready)))?
universitet89 1 month ago
@universitet89 this is real Turkish style, touch mothers. dirty animals dont stink here go back in Altai turkish goat
vabalasable 1 month ago
xa xa xa xa xa Van is an ancient armenian city?))))))))))) u r really funny. by the way . i am a film -maker and want to take a film about stupid -cunts. can you please play as an actor in this film? I will give u so much money which is the most important thing for armenians.they can sell their cunts, ass holes, dignity for money. referring to these features belonging to armenians,I expect u will say ;YES:
universitet89 1 month ago
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Long Live Samuel Weems. you disguised that no armenian genocide happened. thanks
universitet89 1 month ago
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ZebrasFromHell 1 month ago
I am neither Turkish nor Armenian but I feel as far as the forced migration of Armenians go, their actions were justified because during WWI a large amount of Armenians living in the Ottoman Empire began to defect to the Russian side. In other words they betrayed their country and it began forcing the migration of Armenians out of the ottoman empire. But that's something you Armenians seem to have forgotten huh? Only remember the sins of your enemy (even almost 100 years later) but never your o
ZebrasFromHell 1 month ago
You're all idiots and dumbasses if you think that genoside is a lie and even some dickheads think that armenians did the genoside now in franse it in against low not to agree of existing armenian genoside
12prptel34 1 month ago
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Armenians claim Anatolia, some Iranian soils, Karabagh, Balcans too...You are sticky Insects armenians...Griboyedov(russian dipomat, 1828) letter to Tsar: "My Tsar, do not let armenians migration to russian lands or they will cling those lands as they do now in Small Caucasus!" Pushkin: "You are lier, you are slave, you are thief you are an armenian"..FROM OLD TİMES ARMENİAN CHARACTER WAS KNOWN TO EVERYBODY!!! wake up world..HİSTORY HAS PENİS İN ARMENİAN ASS!!)))
Tural192 1 month ago
Armenians are liers.. God will punish Armenian state for genocide in HOCALI...!
nec123tr 1 month ago
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In all this game, the devil is losing and at the end will be accused of everything because GOD don’t want any rivals. Conclusion: live at the full in the freedom of GOD (praying in a right form, following the INSTRUCTIONS in the Bible - keeping the 10 commandments - including keeping the Saturday as the 7th day etc.) instead of in the incapacity and limited power of devil because he is just a temporary puppet. Jesus Christ is our savior and our hope!
diptdipt 1 month ago
This movie is an insult to all real documentaries out there. Such propaganda films are harmful for both sides.
estonjaana 1 month ago
Allah protects Armenians !
April1915 1 month ago
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universitet89 1 month ago
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@April1915 ALLAH annihilates armenians/.AMEN
universitet89 1 month ago
AS A TURK!!! TRUTH BEING CENONOCIDE, BECAUSE ARMANIAN ARE TWISTING THE TRUTH FOR POLITICAL REASONS, MY HOPE ONE DAY THE TRUTH WILL COME OUT.
edcboatman 2 months ago
LONG LIVE Ottoman Empire
TheFuckgeertwilders 2 months ago
" All Turkish children also should be killed as they form a danger to the Armenian nation"
Hamparsum Boyaciyan" . Cited from Mikael Varandean, "History of the Dashnaktsutiun." ("History of the A.R.Federation" ["H. H. Dashnaktsutyan Patmutiwn," Paris,1932 and Cairo,1950]. The author [1874-1934] has other works, including "L'Arménie et la Question Arménienne," noted in the library as "Delegation propaganda authenticated by the Armenian delegation at the Paris Peace Conference, 1919"])
ItriEfendi 2 months ago
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ItriEfendi 2 months ago
The stories of massacred Turks by Armenians civilians are fabricated by the Young Turks (in coperation with the Germans, their allies at that time of WW-I) to have a good excuse for their unfolding plans with the complete Armenian people: to get complete rid of them because they stood in the way of their projected Pan-Turkish-empire.
Tallaat Pasha (1874-1921) wrote: ‘By continuing the deportation of the Armenians to their destinations during the intense cold we are ensuring their eternal rest.’
Brutuonius 2 months ago
@Brutuonius , Where did you find this quote? Can you reference a document? Which document Talat Paşa, said like that?
ItriEfendi 2 months ago
Sikeyim ağzınızı Biz Ermeniler ve Rumlar size Altay moğollara akdeniz yüz tipi verdik
vabalasable 2 months ago
@vabalasable 40 milyonluk Azerbaycan Türkerine de mi verdiniz? Nasıl bir azınlıksa bütün dünyayı becermiş. Ermeni ve Rum'un zihniyet yapısı işte bu, ırkçılık.Sanki akdeniz yüz tipi diğer tiplerden üstün , ne farkı var bunun nazinin ırk üstünlüğü fikrinden? Ermeniler, D.Anadolu dağlarından akdenize Türkler sayesinde inmiştir. Akdeniz yüz tipini heralde size zamanında Rumlar vermiş.
ItriEfendi 2 months ago
@ItriEfendi Dedem demisdi- it derisinden kürk çıkmaz, rumdan dost olmaz.
anladım sen azerisen. yalnız sene gizli deyirem daha yaxsi sizinle barışaceyig rumlarla ile yox))
vabalasable 2 months ago
Ulan gebertseymisiz Hepsini Bu Ermenilerin simdi burada olmazlardi. Yalan iftira
azrausa 2 months ago
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Armenians together with russia tried to annex a big chunk of eastern Turkey Ottoman government decided to deport the Armenians to Syria. On the way a lot might have died no denying it.Genocide means the extermination of an entire ethnic group supported by the government. But Ottoman government never carried out such an order. Thats why the Armenians in western Turkey weren't touched Only Armenians in eastern Turkey were deported to stop the Russians and Armenians from annexing eastern Turkey.
Regalya 2 months ago
To whoever watches this documentary....
Please watch what Turkish Highly Honorable Historians say on the Armenian Genocide.
MrMultiman88 3 months ago
@MrMultiman88 we did. thanks for not leaving condescending remarks like most opposers do
utkusarioglu 2 months ago
TANER AKCAM - EXILED FROM TURK BECAUSE HE WAS SPEAKING THE TRUTH
MrMultiman88 3 months ago
The Turks refused Wests aid offered after earthquake in Van, because they're afraid whole world will see ancient Armenian city
vabalasable 4 months ago
@vabalasable
No, stupid liar. Totally 4.575 tents sent from 14 different EU country. By the way, everyone is free to come our country and see everywhere.
hasanabazan 4 months ago
@hasanabazan hey listen here, jackal. stupid face you will see in the mirror
vabalasable 4 months ago
@vabalasable Hahahahah ..i can't stop laughing to stupid way of thinking..
azrausa 2 months ago
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@vabalasable xa xa xa xa xa ancient armenian city?))))))))))) u r really funny. by the way . i am a film -maker and want to take a film about stupid -cunts. can you please play as an actor in this film? I will give u so much money which is the most important thing for armenians.they can sell their cunts, ass holes, dignity for money. referring to these features belonging to armenians,I expect u will say ;YES:
universitet89 1 month ago
@vabalasable because Turks are not as beggars as you. we don't cry for getting money or donations from West
universitet89 1 month ago
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stupid turks cant admit that they killed the armenians,because they know that it is true and the armenian genocide happened,innocent armenians died from starvation, stabbed to death, hung,turkey u need to know that u are wrong there is proof of the armenian genocide. give it up, admit,pay for ur freking crime.SHAME ON TURKEY
vabalasable 4 months ago
turkey was in 3 wars...russia, england, and armenia. god let us by, and let us keep our turkish culture, while the armenians tried taking it away from us.
turkmage33 4 months ago
@turkmage33 before turkey learned of culture and civilization, turkish culture consisted of a nomadic lifestyle-- living in tents, nomadic warfare, and an occasional rapes along the way.
turks emerged from the mongols.
whenever armenians start behaving like your ancestors, then you may insist that armenians tried to steal anything from turks.
until then, keep enjoying the armenian culture turks have stolen.
nuneh 4 months ago
@nuneh the armenian culture is NOTHING like the turkish cultures, i think you should learn. if anyone stole anything from anybody,it had to be another country stealing from the turks. e.g., the greeks have stolen baklava from the turks. turks were the ones who had made it, but greeks were the ones to introduce it to the world.
turkmage33 4 months ago
@turkmage33 even the most hateful turk wouldnt say something as ridiculous as "the armenian culture is NOTHING like the turkish cultures"... but you did.
nuneh 4 months ago
@nuneh there are obviously going to be similarities, but they are way way different.
turkmage33 4 months ago
@turkmage33 if turks & armenians were exactly the same,they wouldnt be called two different things, now would they?
my point is that since turks moved to the caucuses, they have taken many aspects of armenian culture and have labelled it theirs.
like i said, starting with land & continuing to armenian folk songs
funny story, kardes had a concert where she was singing armenian songs.under the comments, there were turks saying things like "armenians need to stop stealing turkish traditions" LOL
nuneh 4 months ago
@nuneh well, were we the ones who have been crying for the past 96 years?
turkmage33 4 months ago
@turkmage33 no... why would turkey cry? you live on beautiful armenian, greek & georgian land and with their stolen culture.
why would you cry for the past 96 years. you've shamelessly been lying for the past 96 years.
well, except for when turkey was under the rule of Damad Ferit Pasha. Then, turkey admitted and punished for the armenian genocide. now, somehow history has been altered. hahah
nuneh 4 months ago
@nuneh you're literally making me laugh my pants off. i'm done, lmao. you believe what you want i suppose
turkmage33 4 months ago
@turkmage33 when being caught in a circumstance where your crap comes to surface, you turks laugh :] hahaha
nuneh 4 months ago
GOD BLESS TURKEY!
erinofak 4 months ago
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There was NO Armenian genocide by Turks in WW1
There was NO Jewish holohoax by Germans in WW2
whitechristian1066 4 months ago
What the PKK is doing now is very similar to this...they say Turkish soldiers kill Kurdish civilians. Same intentions take place here, they want their own country too. I'm sure either the European forces or Russia promised Armenia some land and they turned against the Turks. The Ottoman empire had too many enemies thats all...
08EB08 4 months ago
you lose.
you should learn from your turkish country....
YOU CAN'T SUCCESSFULLY LIE WHEN THERE IS OVERWHELMING PROOF AGAINST YOUR LIES.
nuneh 5 months ago
@nuneh "my turkish country" is far more credible and sensible than a whiny,pathetic,extremist armenian like you and the asylum renegade. "my turkish country" is good enough for me to live in,apparently armenia isnt good enough for you. your posts here contradict what you wrote on your page,as you attacked turks multiple times. "overwhelming proof" would be the part 6 or 7 of this documentary,proving that armenians committed atrocities. nothing overwhelming about forgeries and irrelevant photos.
ibuyukuran5 5 months ago
@ibuyukuran5 yes, turkey is very credible! JUST PUT ALL OF THE TRUTH SPEAKERS IN JAIL OR KILL THEM SO NO ONE ARGUES AGAINST YOUR LIES.
just a word of advice for the future, if you insist on falsifying a truth and labeling it as a "lie," you need sources to support what you have to say.
just being a resident of turkey doesn't give you the authority to say whatever you want, and have it become the truth.
i know it works like that in turkey, but not in the rest of the world ;]
nuneh 5 months ago
@nuneh hey dumb ass,why dont you stop pretending to know anything about turkey..its pathetic..
armenians are great at firebombing the houses of scholars who dont agree with them..or killing turkish diplomatic officials..2 armenian writers who think your genocide claims are propaganda..you have to revert to lies,since you claimed that pamuk was sent to jail..armenians are very credible,considering they use holocaust photos and FORGERIES to support their claim
you seem to inhabit a fantasy land
ibuyukuran5 5 months ago
@ibuyukuran5 it bothers you that i know so much about turkey, huh? hahahaah
too bad i won't apologize for this inconvenience. and too bad i don't live in turkey... you can't kill me, charge me, or put me in jail.
TOO, TOO BAD.
nuneh 5 months ago
@nuneh ...nope..what bothers me is your ignorance,hypocrisy and your lack of perspective..you constantly make up lies..and get the fuck out of here with that tired drama queen act,you ignore armenians firebombing peoples houses,bombing an airport or other types of terror attacks-you have no right to whine about "turkeys crimes"-which is completely irrelevant to history-i guess you are too stupid or blind to understand that armenians have done the same things..give me an excuse for the bombs
netcap001 5 months ago
@netcap001 the world knows the truth.... and i don't mind that you are left lying turk.
the brave turks of turkey know & speak the truth....
ragib zarakolu
sibel edmunds
taner akcam
orhan pamuk
or you can watch turkish government officials speak the truth (IN TURKISH)
/watch?v=JYP2i8vF7C8
the world knows the truth. period. you're just a desperate lying turk.
nuneh 5 months ago
@nuneh after every single election in armenia,the human rights group express concerns about the fairness of the proceedings..what about the countless incidents in armenia?if a bodyguard of the president in turkey beats somebody to death for insulting the president, he would at least be arrested,he wouldnt walk away..way to say nothing at all-how can people be killed or jailed due to article 301?article 301 is not the type of law you can get death penalty for and death penalty been abolished
ibuyukuran5 5 months ago
@ibuyukuran5 how is your concern for armenian elections' outcomes relevant in our conversation?
we're talking about the genocide here.... how many minorities have been killed due to your concern of how armenia elects its presidents? DON'T TRY TO MOVE AWAY FROM THE FACT THAT TURKEY IS A MODERN, FASCIST COUNTRY... KILLING OR JAILING MINORITIES THAT DON'T CONFORM VIA ARTICLE 301 OF TURKEY'S PENAL CODE.
nuneh 5 months ago
@nuneh so you shift the armenian genocide debate to turkey,than complain when i show you that armenia is a lot worse?talk about being hypocritical..anyone who thinks turkey is fascist is completely blinded by his hate..this speaks volumes of the level of asshole you are..and you use politically correct words again..again,your lobbyists managed to get france to totally supress freedom of speech by charging individuals for "denying" the armenian genocide..forgot about that?
ibuyukuran5 5 months ago
@ibuyukuran5 no one has shifted any debate to turkey.... THE DISCUSSION OF THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE HAS ALWAYS BEEN REGARDING TURKEY.
DO YOU SPEAK ENGLISH?
turkey is the one sending millions of dollars worldwide with hopes that they will help them delete history
do u want to explain how turkey just got caught bribing the United States to hide armenian genocide documents? Sibel Edmunds, who is also turkish, lost her job for speaking the truth
i doubt u will,its not convenient for shameful turkey
nuneh 5 months ago
THIS VIDEO IS SHIT!! YOU TRY TO BLAME THE VICTIMS FOR YOU BRYTAL PAST.. FUCK ALL TURKEY STARTING FROM YOUR MOTHER!!!
wazzabibi 5 months ago
also, KNOWING TURKEY'S LAWS does not make me obsessed. it makes me educated.
take notes.
nuneh 5 months ago
@nuneh fabricating laws for your racist,divisive,baseless cyber-rants makes you a sly,swarmy punk. you are deliberately being hypocritical,you accuse us of "racism" yet you just attacked a race again. its glaringly obvious that you are foaming at the mouth behind the keyboard by the saddening language of your posts- the way you write tells me all I need to know about you...you are an absolute piece of shit. i cannot even respond with a statement to such idiocy. you vile,degenerate cocksucker.
netcap001 5 months ago
@netcap001 i condemn racism........ i have never attacked any race.
IF YOU OPEN YOUR EYES AND READ WHAT I WRITE, YOU MAYYYY UNDERSTAND THAT I HAVE CONTINUED TO PRAISE TURKS LIKE ORHAN PAMUK, TANER AKCAM, AND OTHERS WHO DON'T GIVE IN TO YOUR SELFISH GOVERNMENT'S POLITICAL MOTIVES FOR LYING ABOUT THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE.
and again, look at your language. is this what's left of turkish barbarianism? ehh, i guess i should call it progress. at least my home isn't on fire right now.
congratulations
nuneh 5 months ago
@nuneh saying that "your nation is a fail" is far from "condemning racism". you cannot make one comment which does not include a blatant lie.. you talk extensively about the recent crimes turks have committed aganist armenians,but ignore the armenian terrorist acts aganist turks. this is sheer hypocrisy. and you also signify a black hole of emotional drama in your comments. "barbarianism" another politically correct word that every fag like yourself uses when he is out of ammo.
netcap001 5 months ago
@netcap001 i'm not just talking about turkey's present crimes. turkey was nice enough to give me examples throughout over a century.... we can start with the hamidian massacres or talk about your minion azerbaijan continuing your will of destroying armenia via the sumgait massacres or we can talk about artsakh/karabagh. whichever-- i understand it's a difficult decision, as there are various examples. :]
you choose, and i'll shut you & turkey down as i already have several times.
nuneh 5 months ago
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@nuneh yes,armenians assassinated their own president because he wanted karabakh to decide its own fate. armenia is far from a democratic country and far worse than turkey from a human rights standpoint, armenians tried to drive out azeri turks from karabakh,i base this on a newsweek article. article 318 for the armenian criminal code is clearly identical. im speaking your language-you started it,i responded to it..simple as that. you take hypocrisy to incredible heights.
netcap001 5 months ago
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@nuneh uh uh..azerbaijan wanted to destroy armenia unbelievable...please tell me that you made that ridiculous statement tongue in cheek
im wondering if akcam has a higher IQ than you now lmao,in your warped mind armenians are angels no matter what they do,their killing,agression and wrongdoing can be jusified simply because they are armenian.
basically your own theory comes down to this:
I. its okay to kill turks
II. its only a crime when turks do it
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@nuneh uh uh..azerbaijan wanted to destroy armenia unbelievable...please tell me that you made that ridiculous statement tongue in cheek
im wondering if akcam has a higher IQ than you now lmao,in your warped mind armenians are angels no matter what they do,their killing,agression and wrongdoing can be jusified simply because they are armenian.
basically your own theory comes down to this:
I. its okay to kill turks
II. its only a crime when turks do it
ibuyukuran2 5 months ago
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@nuneh what is it about this that makes you totally lose all common sense when debating about this subject?you produce a lot of silly lies in vain trying to belittle a country. you want to judge a country because of the one murder(which was rash and never should have happened)..this speaks volumes of the level of asshole you are...i could nit pick on your nation the exact way you do on mine,you had no answer when i mimicked your dumb ass arguement and had to revert to excuses
netcap001 5 months ago
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@nuneh ...the commie asylum renegade and the fraud writer have so much credibility now?what about the countless newspaper articles at that time...i.e "armenians attack kurds near erzurum","armenians massacre 400 tartars","armenians burn down villages","armenian bomb factory discovered" etc?i acknowledge every massacre perpetuated by my nation. you cannot do the same. explain the fact that cemal pasha himself ordered two people to be hanged for ill treatment of the armenians. you cant.
netcap001 5 months ago
@netcap001 YOU SAY ---> "fabricating laws for your racist,divisive,baseless cyber-rants makes you a sly,swarmy punk."
i haven't made up anything..... your turkish government has written, passed, and continues to practice article 301 of the turkish penal code. burn in hell, cowardice liar.
nuneh 5 months ago
@nuneh ..let me show you how pathetic you are..you can use holocaust,white army(lmao) and other types of irrelevant photos as "evidence" for the "genocide"..you take a painting,one that was painted in 1871 by a russian-and put it in your genocide museum as "evidence"..you can forge telegrams&documents to support your genocide claims..you completely ignore armenians betraying turks and their crimes too,you want to portray them as angles..its a bit difficult to convince people with BS like this
ibuyukuran2 5 months ago
"Hakan Tastan, 37, and Turan Topal, 46, joined the ranks of 97 other Turkish citizens taken to court in the last 16 months over alleged violations of the country’s controversial Article 301 restricting freedom of speech."
GO SEE WHAT YOUR NON-RACIST, ACCEPTING, TURKISH GOVERNMENT IS DOING AND HAS BEEN DOING FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
nuneh 5 months ago
@nuneh uhh..you may be too stupid to know all this,but a lot of people get convicted over racist comments&rants in the u.s or europe....therefore,your theory makes no sense.
netcap001 5 months ago
@netcap001 YOU SAY ----> "uhh..you may be too stupid to know all this,but a lot of people get convicted over racist comments&rants in the u.s or europe....therefore,your theory makes no sense."
PLEASE FIND ME ANYYYYY NATION WITH A LAW LIKE TURKEY... WHICH ALLOWS BEING SENT TO JAIL FOR CONVERTING TO A NON-MUSLIM RELIGION.
PLEASE FIND ME ANYYYYY NATION WITH A LAW THAT ALLOWS KILLING PEOPLE FOR SPEAKING THE TRUTH ABOUT THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE & then not properly punishing the criminals.
TRY!!!
nuneh 5 months ago
@nuneh ..you obviously have a problem with reading comprehension,but wait you purposely left one detail out didnt you?didnt those guys say that "turks are a cursed nation"??a lot of people have been convicted for making the same type of remarks in a lot of other countries. yes,there are articles similar to article 301 in a few countries: germany,italy and austrie to name a few. now get the fuck out of here,you have been owned and destroyed again.
netcap001 5 months ago
@netcap001 YOU SAY---> "a lot of people have been convicted for making the same type of remarks in a lot of other countries. yes,there are articles similar to article 301 in a few countries: germany,italy and austrie to name a few. now get the fuck out of here,you have been owned and destroyed again."
TURKEY IS UNIQUE, YOU BARBARIC LIAR.
GIVE ME THE NAME OF ONE SIMILAR LAW IN ANY OTHER NATION, OUTSIDE OF TURKEY.
your nation is a fail... i wouldnt expect any different from you.
nuneh 5 months ago
@nuneh ...you have no right to call me barbaric as you are deliberately being sly again. i have yet to see you make any sense. you want the names of similar laws?you want to name of similar laws?arent you tired of being owned? here goes:
austria criminal code 248,france internal security law,german criminal code-section 90,netherlands penal code articles 111,portugal penal code article 332,323,324.
and i can also give examples from your land-locked country. you whiny,pathetic piece of shit.
netcap001 5 months ago
@netcap001 HAHAHAHA... i asked u 4 examples of similar laws 2 turkey's article 301
these laws that your stating are NOTHING like turkey article 301. can you give me a single name of a person who has been taken to court & threatened to go to jail for converting to christianity via anyyy of those b.s. "examples" u've failed at??
give me examples of laws like articles 301 of the turkish penal code, not national security laws. ahaha
u bravely said u can give me example from armenia. please, do so
nuneh 5 months ago
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@nuneh -they were not jailed for converting to christianity. seriously kid,how stupid are you exactly? its understandable that you believe what you want to believe-thats hardly earthshattering-as they were convicted for racist rants-which has happened in the u.s or other european countries. armenians massacred a lot of azeris...i base this on newspaper articles at that time. armenia was clearly the agressor in karabakh and none of your hidden agendas can fix that.
netcap001 5 months ago
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@nuneh ..let me show you how pathetic you are..
you can use holocaust,white army(lmao) and other types of irrelevant photos as "evidence" for the "genocide"..you take a painting,one that was painted in 1871 by a russian-and put it in your genocide museum as "evidence"..you can forge telegrams&documents to support your genocide claims..you completely ignore armenians betraying turks and their crimes too,you want to portray them as angles..its a bit difficult to convince people with BS like this
netcap001 5 months ago
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@netcap001 i had never met a turk that would stoop so low to the point where they insist that even the images of the genocide are "fake" & that the countless telegrams & national archives were fake.
u think that if armenia forged national archives of britain, USA, germany, austria, france... etc. that those countries wouldnt say anything???
you are ridiculous. keep believing whatever makes u feel better about your CRIMINAL TURKEY
nuneh 5 months ago
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@nuneh try to explain this..you can use holocaust,white army(lmao) and other types of irrelevant photos as "evidence" for the "genocide"..you take a painting,one that was painted in 1871 by a russian-and put it in your genocide museum as "evidence"..you can forge telegrams&documents to support your genocide claims..you completely ignore armenians betraying turks and their crimes too,you want to portray them as angles..its a bit difficult to convince people with BS like this
netcap001 5 months ago
@netcap001 i had never met a turk that would stoop so low to the point where they insist that even the images of the genocide are "fake" & that the countless telegrams & national archives were fake.
u think that if armenia forged national archives of britain, USA, germany, austria, france... etc. that those countries wouldnt say anything???
you are ridiculous. keep believing whatever makes u feel better about your CRIMINAL TURKEY
nuneh 5 months ago
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@nuneh yeah,the russian archives are filled with officer complaints on how armenians treated turks like garbage...apparently the bristol or the harbord report-the niles and sutherland report(which talks about how muslims were massacred by armenians) in the british&u.s archives were just a fluke,considering they completely dispute your "armenians were totally innocent" mentality....ataturk wrote about how the armenians massacred turks in french uniforms in 1918-19..i am in awe of your ignorance
netcap001 5 months ago
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@nuneh yes,some of those photos are fake,as they are present on many other sources on the net as holocaust photos and other books. you were pathetic enough to use white army photos.. the "telegrams" are a forgery,as the part 6 of this video illustrated..i.e meaningless dates,some signatures not matching up with the original ones etc...a 5th grader would be able to comprehend this..you would not believe some of the comments western historians made on those "telegrams"
netcap001 5 months ago
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@nuneh yes,some of those photos are fake,as they are present on many other sources on the net as holocaust photos and other books. you were pathetic enough to use white army photos.. the "telegrams" are a forgery,as the part 6 of this video illustrated..i.e meaningless dates,some signatures not matching up with the original ones etc...a 5th grader would be able to comprehend this..you would not believe some of the comments western historians made on those "telegrams
ibuyukuran5 5 months ago
@nuneh yeah,the russian archives are filled with officer complaints on how armenians treated turks like garbage...apparently the bristol or the harbord report-the niles and sutherland report(which talks about how muslims were massacred by armenians) in the british&u.s archives were just a fluke,considering they completely dispute your "armenians were totally innocent" mentality....ataturk wrote about how the armenians massacred turks in french uniforms in 1918-19..i am in awe of your ignorance
ibuyukuran5 5 months ago
@ibuyukuran5 after the multiple, organized massacres of armenian villayets, the only way turks SHOULD have been treated was like the barbaric garbage they were acting like. did you expect anything different?
IS THAT WHY RUSSIA HAS OFFICIALLY RECOGNIZED THE CRIME OF TURKEY?
typical turkish mentality: anything that doesn't support your alibi was a "fluke" as you call it.
nuneh 5 months ago
@nuneh ...lmaooo..your logic and reasoning is beyond retarded...russia recognizes armenian genocide?hooray!throw a parade!yeah,russians are such great friends of turks...i wonder why they recognized your "genocide"....that must be why they gave armenia tons of hardware with which to fight azeris...i wonder why they recognized it and did not recognize holodomor,as it bears similarities to the armenian "genocide"...so you approve of the way armenians massacred turks?good grief..wow
ibuyukuran5 5 months ago
@ibuyukuran5 HAHAHAA... you have issues, kid. you talk about holodomor and then you ask "so you approve of the way armenians massacred turks?good grief..wow"
IS YOUR UNFOUNDED TURKISH PRIDE STOPPING THE OXYGEN TO YOUR HEAD? YOU SPEAK OF RUSSIA'S SSTANCE ON THE INCIDENT OF UKRAINE AND THEN YOU ASK SOMETHING OF A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, AND OUT OF THIS WORLD & FALSE SUBJECT? of course, you're a turk.
nuneh 5 months ago
@nuneh "unfounded turkish pride"..uhh....im not the one who approves and tries to justify many armenian atrocities aganist turks..do some fucking research before you have an opinion on anything...you posted MANY blatant lies here..and then talk about my pride?your hate is way above my pride..fuck you and your worshipping of your nation..you are too blind to understand that ARMENIANS STARTED IT-you know very well that i wasnt trying to shift the arguement to holodomor...try honesty..
ibuyukuran5 5 months ago
@ibuyukuran5 there have never been armenian atocities against turks. DONT TRY TO FLIP THE VICTIM & THE PERPETRATOR.
remember, it is turkey & your turkified azeries that are living on armenian land & history.... not the other way around.
nuneh 5 months ago
@nuneh what a cop out answer-way to attempt to marginalize. you claimed hrant dinks murder was perpetuated by the turkish government and yet you can somehow make EXCUSES for the armenian president getting assassinated..you have to be fair while you are giving excuses,otherwise you will make a total fool out of yourself as you did before by posting a comment with 3 blatant lies. you know as much about history as the reknown fraud who is known to copy-paste other peoples work for his books.
ibuyukuran5 5 months ago
@ibuyukuran5 marginalize? hahah
hrant dink's death was the result of a RAGED TURK individual. you know that before his death, he had been charged several times under the turkish penal code, article 301 for writing the truth about the genocide right?
if your government had not allowed this hatred, HRANT DINK might have still been alive.
after his assassination, you know that turkey was charged for not doing a proper investigation of the murder right? of course, it was what turkey wanted.
nuneh 5 months ago
@nuneh ...correction:hrant dink was never charged...one was dropped,and the other was postponed..the other one would probably drop as well..
another correction: the death was a result of a brainwashed,addict individual
btw:as response to your statement:"the only way turks SHOULD have been treated was like the barbaric garbage they were acting like" your words say it all,you are nothing but bottom of the barrel scum. hypocritical too. you proved that,faggot.
ibuyukuran5 5 months ago
@ibuyukuran5 YOU SAY---> "correction:hrant dink was never charged.one was dropped,and the other was postponed.the other one would probably drop as wel"
READ WHAT YOU SENT, AND REPENT.
IF SOMEONE HAS TO DEFEND HIMSELF, IN ORDER FOR A CASE TO BE DROPPED IN THE 1ST PLACE, IT MEANS THAT HE WAS charged BUT THEN dropped
the point isnt whether he went to jail or not. the point is, turkey charged him just for speaking the truth about the genocide, and hrant dink had to pay lawyers to stay out of jail
nuneh 5 months ago
@nuneh lets assume that turkey charged him here,for arguements sake..they did it for his racist rants on his newspaper:i.e "turkish blood is bad blood"...and you talk as if you know a lot about law?ur aware that the law system of turkey is different right??i read his racist rants,so what the hell are you talking about?you are deliberately being sly again..this is why you are a worm..now slither back into your hole
ibuyukuran5 5 months ago
@ibuyukuran5 sorry to disappoint you, but only nomadic turks live in caves & holes and i sure as heII am no turk.
don't try to attack hrant dink's character in order to justify turkey's fascist laws.
that same law has charged even turks like Orhan Pamuk for writing of the armenian genocide. Pamuk said, "Thirty thousand Kurds have been killed here, and a million Armenians. And almost nobody dares to mention that. So I do."
why has he been charged countless times??? explain, hole dweller.
nuneh 5 months ago
@ibuyukuran5 ALSO, YOU SAY "another correction: the death was a result of a brainwashed,addict individual"
that's not a correction. i didnt claim that the turkish government directly killed Hrant Dink. I said an individual did. if your country didnt want people to behave that way, they would have conducted a proper investigation to catch the killer, BUT IT DIDNT. turkey was charged for behaving unjustly and it payed thousands of dollars to Dink's family. that is why hatred continues in turkey
nuneh 5 months ago
@ibuyukuran5 yes, i said ""the only way turks SHOULD have been treated was like the barbaric garbage they were acting like" AND I MEAN IT.
if you and everyone from your ethnic group was slowly being exterminated, would you just sit there and thank them for killing you uncles villayet the week earlier?
answer that question, so you can hopefully see your hypocrisy as everyone else reading this has the pleasure of viewing.
nuneh 5 months ago
@nuneh ...you are not an enlightened man(assuming that you are a man,i apologize if you are a woman) by any stretch...your nation is your gospel...you attack turks more zeal than you would defend yourself with..why would anyone praise armenians...its a known fact that armenians B-E-T-R-A-Y-E-D the ottoman empire& they started the atrocities...your base your entire arguement on one article and use blatant lies to support it..
ibuyukuran5 5 months ago
@ibuyukuran5 go ahead: insult human rights seekers like hrant dink's character, insult my beautiful and culture-rich and historical landmark of a country........
BUT FACTS REMAIN FACTS. NO MATTER HOW MUCH MONEY TURKEY PAYS INTERNATIONALLY, NOT A SINGLE NATION BUT TURKS SAYS THAT THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE DID NOT OCCUR, while nearly all including turkeys allies from the time have officially recognized the genocide & have written in the national archives of turkeys crimes.
HISTORY CANNOT BE DELETED.
nuneh 5 months ago
@nuneh ... a turk killed an armenian..wah,wah,wah...i guess you missed all the armenian terrorist attacks on turks..you probably thought that they were heroic right?and you try to justify the armenian atrocitie..you are too blind to see that armenians started it...an american missionary who went to the ottoman empire in the late 19th century talks about the armenian atrocities aganist muslims..he clearly states in his book and uses armenian quotes as well..you just owned yourself..
ibuyukuran5 5 months ago
@ibuyukuran5 did you pay that missionary like you've paid the united states? hahaha
no country is foolish to accept as fact a genocide if no such thing occurred. all countries have trade interests with turks, but they still believe that HISTORY IS HISTORY and have officially recognized the armenian genocide as fact
turkey can stick to its cowardice alibi all it wants.
thats why the entire world sees turkey as a cowardice nation...even jailing brave turks who speak the truth about the genocide
nuneh 5 months ago
@nuneh go ahead...name me the turk that was jailed for "speaking the truth about genocide"..unless you want to tell me a blatant lie like pamuk or dink were jailed like you did before...the charges always get dropped..and thats it..nobody can be jailed with article..they can be fined though..with 1 lira(which equals a little more than 50 cents)...ignore the mountains of evidence that armenians betrayed turks and committed atrocities,just like turks did..
ibuyukuran5 5 months ago
@ibuyukuran5 HERE'S THE NAME OF JUST TWO TURKS WHO HAVE BEEN JAILED FOR SPEAKING THE TRUTH ABOUT THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE: dr. ragib zarakolu & his wife
watch?v=MPgg-_s-crU
not only were they jailed, their publishing office was bombed by more raged turks. and, just for your information, he's been taken to court over 40 times for publishing armenian genocide books.
I DARE YOU TO CONTINUE POINTLESSLY TALKING. REPOND!
nuneh 5 months ago
@nuneh uhh..ur saying that no country is foolish enough to accept lies..yes they are..this is not foolish,but a smart move instead..you dont remember the countless armenian terrorist attacks..but you remember the 1 murder in turkey-which was silly and never should have happened...but you ignore that dink clearly made racist statments..which is why he was sued..you know nothing about history,politics or turkey..motherfucker,you cant just ignore the tons of armenian terrorist attacks and massacres
ibuyukuran5 5 months ago
@ibuyukuran5 so which country strictly says that there was no genocide?
azerbaijani turks & turkey?
nuneh 5 months ago
@ibuyukuran5 your language is sufficient to characterize your nation's civility.
just because you have no arguments, it does not mean that you should resort to your native tongue : curse words.
remember, i'm not a turk. that's not how i communicate.
nuneh 5 months ago
@nuneh uh uh..that shows that you are an asshole... and who says that armenians were slowly being exterminated?explain the fact that they only deported the ones near the warzone&why didnt they massacre the ones in istanbul,izmir etc?..name the proof of "genocide" for me please,since a genocide has to be official..you dont give a damn about turkish suffering,yet armenian suffering is blown way out proportion by idiots,you included..you religious hypocrite,you know jackshit about history..
ibuyukuran5 5 months ago
@ibuyukuran5 all you do is criticize me in any way you can.... how do you know i'm religios to call me a "religious hypocrite"?
1st of all, deportation wasn't all that was done.
how do you explain the burning of churches while armenians were inside hiding from the killer turks?
2nd, do you know how many armenian women were later saved from turkish harems and turkish homes? they were serving as sex slaves until the Near East Relief saved them.
....
nuneh 5 months ago
@nuneh yes,i do know that deportation wasnt all that was done-massacres were committed-but there has to be an official order or intention to determine genocide...
ignore the russian officer who said "armenians massacred 800 turks in one day"..and you have the nerve to talk about turkish officers?what about the army commander who reported "armenians massacred 3000 muslims,we cant stop it"...and unlike you,I CAN READ old turkish to understand that armenians use FORGERIES and we use real evidence
ibuyukuran5 5 months ago
@ibuyukuran5 let me ask you something: if you saw, that week by week the armenians of different villayets were being massacred, would you sit and just wait until the killers came to your villayet?
the only reason i'm alive is because my great grandparents found out that erzurum was next, so they left everything and fled to greece to save their lives.
i don't understand how u think claiming that some armenians were able to establish self defense is sufficient proof against the armenian genocide
nuneh 5 months ago
@nuneh..help me undersand,please...HOW IS KILLING UNARMED CIVILLIANS SELF DEFENCE..all those people that i mentioned talk about armenians killing civillians..i didnt bring up armenian gangs attacking the ottoman army and disrupting its supply lines..the point is,your whole armenian genocide claim is bogus as you want to make a case that armenians were all innocent....let me guess,armenians were performing surgery to save their lives when they massacred pregnant women
ibuyukuran5 5 months ago
@ibuyukuran5 because all turks & kurds were following the order to kill all armenians.
did you not watch the video of the ottoman turkish officer?
also, when you ask for names... at least acknowledge that you were wrong when i give you what you asked for. that's how civil human beings have debates. they admit when they are wrong and when the other person is right.
nuneh 5 months ago
@nuneh ...excuse me,i was wrong?this is coming from the retard who stated that pamuk and dink were jailed..they never were
ibuyukuran5 5 months ago
@ibuyukuran5 no1 said dink was jailed... DINK HAS BEEN CHARGED MULTIPLE TIMES.
orhan pamuk HAS been jailed, and he escaped from prison. DON'T TALK WITHOUT KNOWING.
and you were claiming no turks had been jailed under article 301 for speaking of the armenian genocide.
i gave you names & a video : ragib zarakolu&his wife
why have they been in court at least 40 times & in jail?
why was their office bombed by raged turks?
do u want to at least admit that ur a coward who can't take defeat?
nuneh 5 months ago
@nuneh no,pamuk has never been jailed. you show yourself to be a moron again. akcam escaped from jail,but he was jailed for communist activity. if akcam was a man he wouldnt have been involved in those pathetic attempts to make a red revolution occur,but he is a punk like you,boy.
google "they hate ara baliozian in armenia"..google "edward tashji". why does samuel weems talk about the death threats he recieved?why did the armenians bomb stanford shaw's house?explain
ibuyukuran5 5 months ago
@ibuyukuran5 okay. keep refusing simple facts like the fact that orhan pamuk escaped from prison.
keep not even talking about what was done to ragib zarakolu & his wife (bombed, charged, jailed).
you definitely are a turk.
nuneh 5 months ago
@nuneh pamuk never escaped from prison numbnuts..he was never jailed,the charges aganist him were dropped
ibuyukuran5 5 months ago
@ibuyukuran5 hahaahahah... YEAH, YEAH. everyone that gets charged for speaking of teh armenian genocide gets their charges dropped.
and you STILL refuse to talk about Ragib Zarakolu & his wife. were his charges also dropped? and was his office just bombed by accident? and was he taken to court over 40 times because they wanted to see his beautiful surat.
nuneh 5 months ago
@nuneh you have no respect for anyone,you are a condecending hypocrite and a phony as i proved time and time again. you are too blind to understand that armenians have done the very same thing..and you try to justify the armenian terrorist attacks..pathetic. you rip on turks but completely ignore the examples of armenians engaging in the same type of practice.
its so obvious by the way you talk,you are a hypocritical and a flagrant faggot who is in love with the fraud and the asylum renegade.
ibuyukuran5 5 months ago
@ibuyukuran5 you've talked about armenian resentment towards turkish liars... and your telling me armenians have done the same thing as turks?
THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE IS A CRIME YOU CAN'T DELETE FROM HISTORY NO MATTER HOW GOOD OF A LIAR YOUR NATION IS AND NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU BRIBE OTHER COUNTRIES.
why aren't you talking about sibel edmunds who lost her job for speaking the truth about turkey's bribes?
nuneh 5 months ago
@nuneh fail. matters not,there was no official intention to exterminate a race. what about the countless non-turkish scholars who take a shit on your genocide claims? ..the way you write tells me all i need to know about you. you are a mental midget,you always attempt to shift the arguement. get a clue before you jump to conclusions with your pea sized brain. i bring up armenians massacring turks to prove my point that atrocities were committed on both sides.
ibuyukuran5 5 months ago
@ibuyukuran5 who are these "countless" non-turkish scholars who claim anything against the armenian genocide? you love to talk big, but refuse to accept that every nation that has accepted the armenian genocide uses these historians' accounts. they don't just go by whoever gives them the most money (as turkey wishes).
the world knows. turkey.. you are a criminal government.
nuneh 5 months ago
you might want to read "Turk 'genocide' author faces jail" from BBC and see how many journalists even organized a protest against turkey's fascist government & human rights abuses.
nuneh 5 months ago
@nuneh yeah,the armenians with their bomb attacks on people was heroic. again,you talk about orhan pamuk. pamuk was never sent to jail,the charges were dropped. THE END.
ibuyukuran5 5 months ago
@ibuyukuran5 bombing liars who cover up the genocide of approximately 1.5 million armenians isn't heroic.
neither was the armenian genocide conducted by your turkish government.
yeah, keep repeating your b.s. that pamuk wasn't sent to jail.... don't even mention what your barbaric government has done to Ragib Zarakolu & his wife... don't mention the bribes that turkey has been caught giving the United States (by a turkish woman named Sibel Edmunds).....
YOU'RE TRULY A PRODUCT OF TURKEY
nuneh 5 months ago
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ibuyukuran5 5 months ago
@ibuyukuran5 YOU SAY--> "& from now on im not planning on responding to your homophobic,divisive,childish cyber-rants"
whattttt????? hahahaaha did you just hear those words and wanted to use them? you obviously don't know what they mean because no homophobic exchanges were even discussed hahahaahahaha
nuneh 5 months ago
@ibuyukuran5 YOU SAY--> "-its clear that you have no knowledge of history at all-you made up an astonishing number of lies to support your arguement."
REALLLY? that's why you refuse to address any of the sources i've sent you? the problem is that you know you're wrong and that there is no support for your lies, so you refuse just label the truth as "false" without providing any evidence for your b.s. wishes.
nuneh 5 months ago
@nuneh almost 70 historians. being a "criminal government" is irrelevant,but its understandable that you will have to resort to those type of attacks after running out of ammo and failing to keep up with me on the historical debate. i believe the other dude thoroughly explained how those "nations" were irrelevant?you havent showed me any proof that the "armenian genocide" existed. at least half the things you say are lies-and
ibuyukuran5 5 months ago
@ibuyukuran5 really... if what i say are lies, why am i even able to give you videos of turks speaking the truth about the genocide?
why has nearly every nation in the world recognized the armenian genocide (even after turkey's bribing)?
you & your country are failing at this sinister lie of yours.
nuneh 5 months ago
@nuneh for the failure,just look in the mirror. you are nothing but a vile,degenerate piece of garbage. other countries recognizing the armenian genocide proves A)how well the armenian propaganda machine works B)they have a beef with turkey
ibuyukuran5 5 months ago
@ibuyukuran5 YOU SAY --> " other countries recognizing the armenian genocide proves A)how well the armenian propaganda machine works B)they have a beef with turkey"
turkey has more money to use for its propaganda (which it does). you still have not talked about why Sibel Edmunds got fired from her job for talking about how turkey bribes teh United States to hide armenian genocide documents.
I WONDER WHY NOT.
also, why do you think all these countries have "beef" with turkey, as you say? EASY
nuneh 5 months ago
@nuneh here are some of your gems,since you are too stupid to remember your own bullshit:
"armenians killed turks in self defense"
"dink was jailed"
"pamuk was jailed"
all of which are utter lies. typical for a doofus like you.
ibuyukuran5 5 months ago
@ibuyukuran5 here is my exact quote so don't change my words, you failure:
"no1 said dink was jailed... DINK HAS BEEN CHARGED MULTIPLE TIMES.
orhan pamuk HAS been jailed, and he escaped from prison. DON'T TALK WITHOUT KNOWING."
and Ragib Zarakolu & his wife have been to court over 40 times and jailed. why are you not talking about this?????
nuneh 5 months ago
@nuneh & from now on im not planning on responding to your homophobic,divisive,childish cyber-rants-its clear that you have no knowledge of history at all-you made up an astonishing number of lies to support your arguement...its so obvious that you are foaming at the mouth behind your commodore 64 keypad by the saddening language of your posts..yes,pamuk was never,ever sent to jail-you arent even man enough to admit that you posted a blatant lie..your posts prove my point that you're a phony
ibuyukuran5 5 months ago
@ibuyukuran5 ANNNND you cowardly repeat your lies without addressing what was asked of you....
WHY WERE RAGIB ZARAKOLU & HIS WIFE TAKEN TO COURT OVER 40 TIMES FOR WRITING OF THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE? WHY WAS THEIR OFFICE BOMBED? WHY DID THEY GO TO JAIL?????
you are a lame coward who has run out of gas.
nuneh 5 months ago
@nuneh why did the armenians bomb stanford shaw's house???
ibuyukuran5 5 months ago
@ibuyukuran5 i don't know how many times i need to say this to get it through your thick head?
how does an incident from a couple of years ago prove anything against the truth of the armenian genocide from the early 1900s????????
nuneh 5 months ago