As part of their training US Navy Seals get water boarded. The training these men go through is incomprehensible. These men are the top soldiers on the earth. They say water boarding is torture. If a Navy Seal says its torture then its torture.
In one breath he says it isn't torture, and then in the next breath he says "We're not talking about torture to get a confession, we're talking about it to get information".
Not only are tortures conducted in secret where people may or may not be seen again, but those who are KNOWN now are subject to CASE-CLOSED - 1 July 2011 -_- The US Attorney General must immediately reconsider his decision to close inquiries into some 100 cases of alleged torture of detainees held in CIA custody, Amnesty International said today. -_- 1 July 2011
that's nice. let people believe that "the puppets for the right" do not believe we torture and deny it; we do it, on a daily basis. The US is the Imperial KING of out-sourced torture, ie. Somalia floating, flying and Guantanamo Bay... full books out now about extensive and NEW KINDS of torture. David Hicks. That's a read. Do they give a shit who you are? no.
I REALLY REALLY have alot of respect for Shep Smith.... wtf?? Did I just say I respect someone who works at Fox "Faux" News?? Wow...
But seriously, he is a REAL journalist... How he hasn't been fired from Faux News yet is beyond me... I am POSITIVE that he is actually even smarter than we can see right now, but he's holding back a little because of his employers..put this guy on a REAL news outlet and he'd be AMAZING
@tg101393 That would depend on how you define evil. If you define evil as a Republican propaganda outlet masquerading as legitimate news, then FOX News is evil. ;) Shepard is about the only actually "fair and balanced" reporter on the network.
@Urindunk You talk BS. Torture leads only to worthless information, because people will tell you anything to get out of that. This is proven. How do you think you can get reliable information under such circumstances????? And by the way, you can be the next one to be tortured, by your own government.........
@Urindunk You do realise that Bush KNEW that hundreds of innocent men were being held - and tortured - at Guantanamo Bay? 3 British Citizens, who were innocent, were tortured and sexually abused there. Open your fucking eyes. TORTURE DOESN'T WORK. It doesn't matter how many American Lives you save if you're killing, torturing and abusing innocent people from other countries. It's absolutely sickening.
@AsbestosInferno Great comment. Bush was a homicidal maniac. He loved torture. The man used to snuff out the lives of little animals back in his younger days. He also presided over the deaths of 1.5 mil Iraqis. He is the most digusting man to ever serve in our govt.
The people who have been detained in Iraq who were in Iraq's military are granted rights under the Geneva convention. Random muslim assholes who are trying to kill our military members, civilians, and our allies' military and civilians are not legal combatants or legal non-combatants under the Law of Armed Conflict, and are thus not protected by the Geneva Convention. You can dispute the legal definition of torture, but none of you have any idea where the line should be drawn.
The one thing that just drives me absolutely crazy about the whole thing is that they AREN'T Prisoners of War. How aren't they POWs if they were taken during the government dubbed "War on Terror"? Hypocrites. They are POWs and need to be protected by the Geneva Convention.
I don't support torture as its wrong and frankly doesn't work as people under torture will say anything to get it to stop usually making up lies. I however support effective techniques that have been proven to save lives. If putting a guy in a small room with a caterpillar saved 200 hundred people from a terrorist plot then I'm not gonna turn over in my sleep. It's so easy to judge in hindsight or when you are not responsible. We just see the tip of the iceberg, how many lives have been saved
@gsmalley17 And with that justification for everything, truly...and this time THINK before you post...how easy does it become to just torture routinely, for the practice and lax attitude about it. You stop THIS SLIPPERY SLOPE AT THE TOP, before it denigrates into common civilian practice as well.
If you think an unapologetic repentance before God is some sort of justification, you can justify ALL MANNER of corrupt and barbaric behavior. You're using a clearly emotional argument to justify this
@gsmalley17 ...but like all one-sided arguments, it fails. What if your wife or son, innocent of any charges, bereft of a lawyer, and in a secret frickin' overseas DUNGEON, were being waterboarded? I'm not saying all of these detainees are innocent. Any more than you can say they're all guilty.
And despite denials, don't try and tell me no one has died from this, or suffered long-term effects. Especially with the foxes guarding the chickencoop, and 'assuring' us they're doing it 'humanely'.
In the United States of America, we're DEBATING on this? Shep Smith is the SINGLE voice of reason on FOX 'news'. And this assclown whose entire defense of criminal acts is 'the end justifies the means' is the basis for all manner of depravity, and it is only STARTING here.
Some torturers need to spend a lot of jail time, for simply being unable to tell right from wrong.
Shepard Smith is probably the sole voice of reason on Fox. While he is in serious denial about how much his network smears and throws their weight around to push their insane conservative archaic agenda, on many subjects everything he says is very reasonable and not motivated by a desire to push the corporate agenda.
"save american lives", "kills americans"... great. who cares about people from other countries anyways. i can't see a big difference between the american patriotism and national socialism.
Yea I have respect for Smith in this interview. Who has the right to decide on what constitutes torture. Any time when someone is physically or mentally persuaded to talk is simply going to encourage them to tell you anything so it will stop.
Re: ticking time bomb scenarios: the deaths of civilians are the price a democracy has to be willing to pay if it wants to live up to its ideals, if it wants to maintain the moral high ground, if it wants to sleep at night. What's the point of saving lives if we lose our souls?
Bottom line is this...these people were waterboarded and THAT IS TORTURE !! There's no ifs, ands, or buts about it...IT'S TORTURE !! We are the United States and WE DO NOT TORTURE...PERIOD !!! Why are'nt Bush and Cheney in jail again ??! Because they are above the law !! ALL THESE POLITICIANS THINK THEY'RE ABOVE THE LAW....I DON'T THINK SO !!
perhaps we should rape the children of terrorists to get them to give up information. who cares about their rights? sodomize their wives in front of them? castrate their children in front of them? sure, do whatever it takes eh? that's the rationale that a lot of the police and military of the military juntas in latin america used, and theirs is an EMBARRASSING history
@gsmalley17 You completely miss the point. It's the right of AMERICANS not to have themselves represented by the kind of lowlife thugs who condone or excuse torture. Thugs like yourself, who think human rights only belong to those you consider human. I'm not a terrorist sympathizer.
I believe America has the greater burden to show the strength of character we once prided ourselves on. I honestly don't think you want to live in the America you're cheerleading now.
its either torture or interrogation and waterboarding is torture. its half drowning man until he tells you something thats not something a cop would do to a suspect at a police station.
I'm from Derry, Northern Ireland. I lot of law abiding Northern Irish citizens starting killing British soldiers in retaliation for the torture of IRA suspects. If a country uses torture their soldiers and policemen are legitimate target for the friends and families of the torture victims.
@brightasblackout The IRA were hardly innocent were they? Dont hold them up like a paragon of all that is good. Torture is wrong, no matter WHO does it... and the IRA were doing it long before the Brits got their hands on them. For example, when the IRA took an 18 and 19 year old straight off of the streets of Belfast and tortured them before shooting them in the ankles and wrists and dumping them in an alleyway.
The IRA certainly weren't innocent. A lot of them were a shower of gangsters. You could get shot in the legs for going out with a girl a volunteer or someone connected fancied or beaten half to death for beating a Sinn Fiener at a game of pool in the pub. That said, you could also be pulled off a school bus and punched in the kidneys by troops hoping you'd give up some schoolyard gossip like who's brother was a player. Both equally worth a bullet in return.
@brightasblackout Precisely, I think. If we are to hold ourselves in a higher regard we must hold ourselves to a higher standard, any fight that we join must be won morally before anything else. Only when your enemy sees you treating them like a friend despite what has happened will they start to even think about seeing eye to eye.
I know it sounds preachy and hippie-ish, but I dont see how mutual torture benefits either side.
Yeah, but it is debatable if waterboarding is 'torture.' I'd prefer to be waterboarded than, say, jump out of 100+ story building rather than burn to death anyday...F*ck the 'rights' of these terrorists! Had that plane blown up on Christmas day, Obama would have probably resigned on the spot. I predict he will not even run for re-election in 2012 as is.
I believe Shepard Smith was the only Fox news journalist who was outraged & very critical at the way the Bush Crime Syndicate handled things in New Orleans during the whole Hurricane Katrina fiasco.
Did anybody pay attention to this guy talking? He said "we aren't talking about torture for confessions...we're talking about it to get information." First, he just admit it was torture. Second, what is the difference between a confession and information..
Faux News thought they could quell the dissent from Judith Miller by hiring her? That's funny. Seriously, who can deny, w/o revealing their bias toward ignorance, that hiring Miller would or could effectively "shut her up."
Not that I'm not already having a whimsical day, but thanx for the smiles reaidka.
This is America and, sorry, we torture and have tortured.
80 years ago with the publication of the Wickersham Report on Lawlessness in Law Enforcement, America learned that torture does not work. Now America has conveniently forgotten that lesson.
ohh thats what it is ... i guess i got all fooled with all abo gareeb prison photos of torturing iraq's people .. you american are the greatest country .. wish i was american too so i can join the army and play shooting on third world people as aims .. your day is coming ..
lilmoo, your problem is not with America, or the American people, but with the corrupt leaders and corporations. The American people are generally friendly, peaceful, hard working people. Look at the millions of people that have protested about what's happening over there. They're trying to change things, but the wealthy and powerful own the politicians that make foreign policy.
bulshit .. your policies are in a whole another world ... talking all the time about the idealistic manners of your nation and democracy and human rights and whole other bunch of crab .. know that you americans to the rest of worlds people eyes you are just scumbags living on others missery to get your best ..
too bad you're judging American people based on our governments, and you don't know that many people in our country are for stopping the scumbags in office from living on other's missery. Don't judge everyone here (most of whom don't want to have petty wars with other countries) by what are pathetic leaders are doing.
The b*tch is an idiot. About the cattipillar anyway.
Waterboarding is iffy. But putting a bug in a box?! Telling him it's not going to sting him? WTF?! And she talks as if he'd believe a couple of Western satans he can't even understand. I suppose we should give him a massage later so the stress doesn't burden his poor head.
dude, you'd freak out if some foreign people put you in a dark coffin, and dropped a bug on you in it. The point of it is to make the person think you've dropped a venomous insect in there with you. And yeah, that'd make someone panic.
"psychological distress" is a lot different than making someone freak out because they think they are going to die. People have died from "psychological distress" btw.
Doing this torture is just showing how weak and cowardly our country has truly become. Only scared people torture.
Oops, @ stanmarsh07: sorry, that cheese thing was supposed to be directed at someone else.
People have "died" from a lot of things. And if that's true, I should be able to sue my older brothers or something for the kind of things they teased me about.
I mean, I agree that torture would show what you say it would show. I disagree that this stuff is torture, so your overarching morality statements are a little irrelevant.
Even Navy Seals say waterboarding is torture.....and I think they'd know what that is.
Torture that doesn't do physical damage can actually be worse. Chinese water torture, isolation, and waterboarding make people insane, and can do perminent mental damage.
And the people that will suffer the worse, are the ones that are not involved in anything... They won't be able to answer anything, and recieve more torture, and they'll end up lying just to have it stop.
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this is bullshit! we do not leave it up to the new york times, and little journalist BITCHES LIKE SHEPARD SMITH! IT SHOULD BE UP TO THE GENERALS ON THE FUCKING BATTLE FIELD!
NO jack ass it is the FUCKING LAW PERIOD! Just like someone raping a woman in your family, ILLEGAL period not to mention immoral, this is why we are better than them. I am in the military and I don't want some 0-6 or 0-7 making those decisions their minds are not clear enough to make policy THEY ARE FOR CHESS LIKE STRATEGY, not fucking policy.....
I am with you.. don't worry about those who will scream "left wing liberal", those people are pathetic and won't face the isssues face on because they know they are wrong. they have to resort to name calling just like bullies
You are a disgrace to America and your the fucking dingbat. WHAT IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND. IT IS ILLEGAL!! We executed Japanese soldiers after WW2 for water boarding our captured men. Don't you see the irony not to mention hypocrisy. This is why we get attacked cause of ignorant pricks like you (from the south) figures, that let Bush think that we can do whatever we want, that is why we are hated because we don't practice what we preach anymore.
Waterboarding is more psychological than physical. It's harsh but it's not torture. You have to remember that these people are terrorists and the information obtained could well save lives. Another thing, if waterboarding is so horrendous, why did they have to do it 183 times to get results?
So they tortured him 183 times and STILL couldn't get results. Kinda reinforces my point. But speaking of results, info obtained from waterboarding helped thwart a terror attack on LA.
If someone didn't know anything about a terrorist attack they'd have to waterboard 183 times....And physical torture IS psychological torture too. And psychological torture is physical torture...in short, they are TORTURE!!!
People have died from waterboarding for both drowning and the psychological affects. Try having someone tie you down, put a cloth over your face, and pouring water on your mouth and nose through the cloth. Then try to tell someone it's not torture.
Hello, KSM did know about the terrorist attacks. The info he gave helped stop the LA bombings, remember?
This is real torture: rape, bamboo shoots under fingernails, bricks on prisoners testicles, breaking bones, medical experimentation, starvation, stuffing sand down the victim's mouth.
Waterboarding is nowhere near that bad. If someone did that to me, I'd be terrified but afterwards I'd be none the worse for wear. That's the whole idea.
We should be treating these people just like anyone in our country. We don't waterboard, because it's TORTURE. Just because it's "not as bad" as some, doesn't mean it's not torture.
Instead of bending and twisting the constitution like a bunch of cowards. We should be brave and stick to our values.
I'd much rather die on my two feet, than live on my knees.
why r u waisting ur time, the people like cliff is a coward, he wont go 1 hour of waterboarding which he wont do, also if its not torture why does the police do not do it? there is a reason, its torture, the american people dont care until it happens to them
Anyone who doesn't think water boarding is torture is an absolutely DISGUSTING human being from the inside out.
Do you guys even know what water boarding is? It simulates that you are DROWNING by putting a bag of water over your head and tilting you backwards while you are blind folded and strapped down on a board.
That is not "rough interrogation" that is pure, raw TORTURE and I'd like to see anyone who thinks otherwise try it and then talk.
Hi, I tried it. There was a training camp my brother was practicing it up in the summer military boot camp. Yeah, it's tough at first and it's scary and terrifying until you get used to it. So it's torture if you aren't trained for it. But after a few weeks, our men & women are prepared for it overseas.
I'm not particularly caring about whether it's "torture" or "enhanced interregation" or "tea time", it's whether it's effective or not. Does that make me scum now?
Yeah, it does. Because not only do I not believe you (um hello they don't waterboard you for military training--I know that for a fact) so I can call your bullshit right off the bat.
And you don't get "used to" simulating drowning. You can't get used to feeling like ur drowning and gasping for air. Its human instinct. Also, if you have tried waterboarding (which I don't believe for a fucking second) I would love for you to try it in a dark dungeon like atmosphere where u dont speak the language
First of all, it isn't torture. Second of all, I'm tired of people calling this "enhanced" interrogation. It's not even that.
Now, I can tell that you clearly never watch FOX;most of it's critics don't. For example, O'Reilly is getting blasted by conservatives for routinely defending Obama ...
A few more commentators on FOX that speak against "torture" : Geraldo Rivera, Greta Van Sustren, Alan Colmes, Bob Beckel (a frequent guest), every anchor of FOX and Friends, Bill Hammer, Neil Cavuto,
Good that you admit it's torture; and psychological tortures are the worse kind of tortures. Shep smith might be the only real journalists on Fix news
and yet, if it were a marine being waterboarded in front of you, in order to obtain information, and the assaliants saying 'oh, it's just rough torture. Now put him in the box with the catapillar.', you would jump those guys in order to SAVE our marine. You and anyone who fails to see the hypocracy in this issue are retarded.
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I'd beleive them over this peice of shit we have as a leader now, what a joker he is, has done nothing but the same things in the past theres no change, except in our pockets.
Janet Reno under Bill Clinton tortured 76 American citizens at Waco, TX, which included 22 CHILDREN.
For weeks they had the FBI project loud heavily distorted music and noise at the compound, including sounds of rabbits being slaughtered. They used sleep depravation to drive all those inside to the edge of insanity. They cut off power and water to the building even though they knew there were CHILDREN still inside. They used gas grenades which contained poison cyanide.
Dunno about the cyanide, but i definitely agree with you that the FBI were totally out of line there. They used a 180,000 watt sound system, like 4 big rock concert rigs at once. It was a totally ridiculous amount of noise going in there.
Why are we worried about being better than them ? We should only be worried about extracting information from them by any means possible . Who gives a shit what some other pussy countries think of us. Just kill the fuckers
Japanese torture didn't stop US from winning WWII. Terrorist beheading, murdering and torture didn't stop US from chasing them. These tell us that an ideal is not killed by doing torture and letting the enemies know you do it.
Wterboarding during WWII and nowadays has the same procedure. You simulate drowning and making the prisoner feel like dying till they speak. Prisoner won't talk if he doesn't feel like dying. So regardless of what experts says, current waterboarding is the same as WWII.
Uneducated conservatives think that, cause some interrogation won't leave evident scars, that means they are fine. Maybe 100 years ago, interrogators would beat prisoners till they speak (lack of knowledge). But they did so cause they thought the more pain and making the prisoner feel like he's going to die, would make him speak. Techniques nowadays leave less scars, but they are based in the same principle, make the enemy feel lots of pain and feel like they gonna day, and that's torture.
WTF are you talking about? The Japanese used the forced ingestion of salt water to their POW's and stomped on their stomachs to induce vomiting. Nothing like what we've used in Guantanamo Bay.
did you read what I said?. Japs used it cause they wanted to make the enemy feel pain, and make him feel like they will die. And now, with more advanced techniques, US still making the detainees feel pain and make them believe they gonna die. Otherwise they wouldn't talk at all. And that is torture. Look, what would you say if someones points a gun on your family and tells you you have to speak?, at the moment there is no beating and physical pain, but still it is unethical doesn't it?
Alot of the torture techniques the Japanese used weren't just used to extract information. Alot of the time it was for their own personal entertainment. (like allied POW's being used for Iajitsu competitions) The Bush administration did it as a last resort. And besides who gives a shit if some guy from durkadurkastan thinks we're gonna kill him if he doesn't tell us where his terror cell leader is or when the next plot is going to happen?
Well. Admit that then, AND DO NOT SIGN GENEVA CONVENTIONS!. So, I don't know why there is even a discussion about torture, clearly people like you give a damn fuck about torturing an enemy (Japs thought the same about you, and any enemy you would have think the same if they give a shit about torturing an enemy). If the excuse is saving lives, every one can claim that, cause it is tough to define a line between how many lives torture saves. So don't claim having high moral standards then.
What you claim about Japs being entertained by doing torture is not demonstrated, and it's not even near to the average. But anyways, US also torture and have fun at the same time, don't u remember the prisoners pictures in Abu Grahib?. Haha, anything that US had condemn about torture in the past (Japanese soldier trials included) has being done by America itself. The good thing is that we live in an era of easy access 2 information, and, like the Daily Show, is easy to show contradiction.
The daily show? Are you friggin kidding me? You do realize that even Jon Stewart himself said that his show isn't a reliable source of information considering he purposely takes quotes out of context and puts a left wing spin on them. (same thing with the Colbert Report.) As far as Abu Gharib goes right now General Karpinsky is now Colonel Karpinsky and Spc.Englund is now PVT.England and dishonorably discharged. But what they did is nothing compared to using prisoners for sword cutting practice.
Dude, you're clearly not thinking what you read. When I mention the DS, is not cause I want to quote them as valid info, I'm doing it just to show you how easy is these days to go back in time, look for info, and show contradiction. That's all.
And then, you are trying to minimize Abu Ghraib compared to Japs, of course if you go from A to B, using road 801 is different from 702, but you have to see the big picture, both ways give the same results. It is like comparing an A+ torture with an A-.
I'm not the one who brought up Abu Gharib. It was you. I'm not the one who's comparing what happened at Abu Gharib to what happened to allied POW's in the pacific theatre you are. Only reason why you think I'm going from A to B using road 801 instead of using 702 is because that's the direction you're going.
This one was one of my initial statement on this thread (and you made a comment on this thread, so I thought you had the will to chat):
"Wterboarding during WWII and nowadays has the same procedure". Comparing Abu Grahib to Japs, and telling you how to get from A to B has everything to do with that statement. Dude, you need to go back to college, I am a PhD graduate way above your argumentative logic. You sound like those people in fox news, they just argue for the sake of it, have a good day.
"They were using torture on John McCain to coerce a false confession . We're not talking about torture for confessions, we're not talking about torture for revenge/punishment. We're talking about it (TORTURE) to get information to save American lives."
Read that quote carefully. He who is not in favour or torture is condoning it. This is a clear issue. It is binary. Torture is well defined both in the U.S.A. and internationally as a crime. If the U.S.A. is above the law, why not Sudan?
"I'm not in favor of torture ... but all rough interrogation techniques do not amount to torture..." Um, yeah, but where is the line? "Rough" or "Enhanced" interrogation is tortured rationalized by affixing either aforementioned adjective. You either rise above your enemy or you sink to their level at your own peril.
This issue needs to be left alone. The new administration have layed out their policies. We should go from there... this administration would've done the exact same thing if they were in office starting in the year 2000. Hands down, no questions... it is getting too political instead of focusing on the welfare and safekeeping of Americans.
As part of their training US Navy Seals get water boarded. The training these men go through is incomprehensible. These men are the top soldiers on the earth. They say water boarding is torture. If a Navy Seal says its torture then its torture.
pchtermino1 3 weeks ago
In one breath he says it isn't torture, and then in the next breath he says "We're not talking about torture to get a confession, we're talking about it to get information".
Amusing
OccupyToad 1 month ago
Studio /b/
OccupyToad 1 month ago
shep smith is the only person at fox news with a spine
Corbo905 3 months ago
@Corbo905 stossel, judge nap, juan williams... they're good too
Madfoot713 2 months ago
@Corbo905 Yep, he's the only one I watch. Megyn Kelly is good too, imo.
idiotwithaAK47 1 month ago
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you americans are disgusting
IncognitoShhh 4 months ago
Not only are tortures conducted in secret where people may or may not be seen again, but those who are KNOWN now are subject to CASE-CLOSED - 1 July 2011 -_- The US Attorney General must immediately reconsider his decision to close inquiries into some 100 cases of alleged torture of detainees held in CIA custody, Amnesty International said today. -_- 1 July 2011
waterspindle 5 months ago
that's nice. let people believe that "the puppets for the right" do not believe we torture and deny it; we do it, on a daily basis. The US is the Imperial KING of out-sourced torture, ie. Somalia floating, flying and Guantanamo Bay... full books out now about extensive and NEW KINDS of torture. David Hicks. That's a read. Do they give a shit who you are? no.
waterspindle 5 months ago
I REALLY REALLY have alot of respect for Shep Smith.... wtf?? Did I just say I respect someone who works at Fox "Faux" News?? Wow...
But seriously, he is a REAL journalist... How he hasn't been fired from Faux News yet is beyond me... I am POSITIVE that he is actually even smarter than we can see right now, but he's holding back a little because of his employers..put this guy on a REAL news outlet and he'd be AMAZING
ammarios 6 months ago
@ammarios oK....Stupid question: As far as I know, caterpillars don't sting, do they??
So why would anyone put anyone in a box with a vaterpillar??? Why would that scare anyone?? It's a caterpillar.....
Someone please explain??
ammarios 6 months ago
@ammarios: Maybe because Fox isn't the evil network you have conviced yourself they are....
tg101393 6 months ago
@tg101393
Watch Outfoxed. Then you'll understand why people don't like Fox News.
floorplank 6 months ago
@floorplank: Yeah, because that completely stuck to facts and didn't bend or exaggerate the truth at all.
tg101393 6 months ago
@tg101393
Go on, I'm listening. With my ears.
.. on the internet.
floorplank 6 months ago
@floorplank: They denied 9/11 victims admitted O'Reilly helped them out of being a good citizen and not for underlying political reasons.
tg101393 5 months ago
@tg101393
Huh. I did not know that. But the movie does have some good points.
floorplank 5 months ago
@tg101393 That would depend on how you define evil. If you define evil as a Republican propaganda outlet masquerading as legitimate news, then FOX News is evil. ;) Shepard is about the only actually "fair and balanced" reporter on the network.
HowDyaYouLikeMeNow 5 months ago
@Urindunk You talk BS. Torture leads only to worthless information, because people will tell you anything to get out of that. This is proven. How do you think you can get reliable information under such circumstances????? And by the way, you can be the next one to be tortured, by your own government.........
TaoPiet 7 months ago
Shep and Judy are so unamerican. How dare they not be OK with torture that saves atleast a thousand freedom loving americans EACH DAY!
Urindunk 7 months ago
@Urindunk You do realise that Bush KNEW that hundreds of innocent men were being held - and tortured - at Guantanamo Bay? 3 British Citizens, who were innocent, were tortured and sexually abused there. Open your fucking eyes. TORTURE DOESN'T WORK. It doesn't matter how many American Lives you save if you're killing, torturing and abusing innocent people from other countries. It's absolutely sickening.
AsbestosInferno 4 months ago
@AsbestosInferno
I was being sarcastic. I'm not american... lol
Urindunk 4 months ago
@Urindunk 0_o. You're good. Hahaha ^_^.
AsbestosInferno 4 months ago
@AsbestosInferno Great comment. Bush was a homicidal maniac. He loved torture. The man used to snuff out the lives of little animals back in his younger days. He also presided over the deaths of 1.5 mil Iraqis. He is the most digusting man to ever serve in our govt.
Loejyrrab 4 months ago
Shepard Smith is the ONLY non-douchebag at Faux.
Let's face it, Hannity is retarded, O' Reilly is plain UNFAIR and Beck is UNBALANCED!
guy2008rules 10 months ago
Best anchor on TV.
soc614 10 months ago
Shep's the man
Dilly5 11 months ago
Why is Shep interviewing George Lucas?
SirPwn4lot 11 months ago
The people who have been detained in Iraq who were in Iraq's military are granted rights under the Geneva convention. Random muslim assholes who are trying to kill our military members, civilians, and our allies' military and civilians are not legal combatants or legal non-combatants under the Law of Armed Conflict, and are thus not protected by the Geneva Convention. You can dispute the legal definition of torture, but none of you have any idea where the line should be drawn.
josephc01 11 months ago
Cliff May sounds like a real evil and hateful bastard. He sounds like a real good canditate for antisemitism.
wovokanarchy 1 year ago
Shep is the thin kid at fat camp, not Billo...
caioma87 1 year ago
The one thing that just drives me absolutely crazy about the whole thing is that they AREN'T Prisoners of War. How aren't they POWs if they were taken during the government dubbed "War on Terror"? Hypocrites. They are POWs and need to be protected by the Geneva Convention.
mpvolbrecht 1 year ago
Not a fan of Fox News (or ANY cable news, for that matter), but GOD DAMN, I love Shepard Smith!
OMEGA919 1 year ago
Why not try waterboarding yourself Mr.nincompoop and find out if it is not torture?
MsGnorts 1 year ago
sheperd smith is the only shining light in fox news.
he's the only person on that channel that has any journalistic integrity whatsoever.
CooperLordOfAll 1 year ago
I don't support torture as its wrong and frankly doesn't work as people under torture will say anything to get it to stop usually making up lies. I however support effective techniques that have been proven to save lives. If putting a guy in a small room with a caterpillar saved 200 hundred people from a terrorist plot then I'm not gonna turn over in my sleep. It's so easy to judge in hindsight or when you are not responsible. We just see the tip of the iceberg, how many lives have been saved
Rushinator 1 year ago
@gsmalley17 And with that justification for everything, truly...and this time THINK before you post...how easy does it become to just torture routinely, for the practice and lax attitude about it. You stop THIS SLIPPERY SLOPE AT THE TOP, before it denigrates into common civilian practice as well.
If you think an unapologetic repentance before God is some sort of justification, you can justify ALL MANNER of corrupt and barbaric behavior. You're using a clearly emotional argument to justify this
OneVoiceMore 1 year ago
@gsmalley17 ...but like all one-sided arguments, it fails. What if your wife or son, innocent of any charges, bereft of a lawyer, and in a secret frickin' overseas DUNGEON, were being waterboarded? I'm not saying all of these detainees are innocent. Any more than you can say they're all guilty.
And despite denials, don't try and tell me no one has died from this, or suffered long-term effects. Especially with the foxes guarding the chickencoop, and 'assuring' us they're doing it 'humanely'.
OneVoiceMore 1 year ago
In the United States of America, we're DEBATING on this? Shep Smith is the SINGLE voice of reason on FOX 'news'. And this assclown whose entire defense of criminal acts is 'the end justifies the means' is the basis for all manner of depravity, and it is only STARTING here.
Some torturers need to spend a lot of jail time, for simply being unable to tell right from wrong.
OneVoiceMore 1 year ago
Over a year later and it's STILL valid and true!
MethodicalMadness 1 year ago
@sweetpelon Magic.
RabdonFilms 1 year ago
Shepard Smith is probably the sole voice of reason on Fox. While he is in serious denial about how much his network smears and throws their weight around to push their insane conservative archaic agenda, on many subjects everything he says is very reasonable and not motivated by a desire to push the corporate agenda.
Silvertaker 1 year ago
"save american lives", "kills americans"... great. who cares about people from other countries anyways. i can't see a big difference between the american patriotism and national socialism.
Darkspyyy 1 year ago
how sad that we even have to have this debate
boing3887 1 year ago
Lady Gaga looks horrible in this video. Ugh
Alien5p 1 year ago
How does this guy still work on fox?
sweetpelon 1 year ago
Yea I have respect for Smith in this interview. Who has the right to decide on what constitutes torture. Any time when someone is physically or mentally persuaded to talk is simply going to encourage them to tell you anything so it will stop.
MrLems87 1 year ago
It's odd. I'm actually watching a "fair and balanced" interview on Fox. I'm not used to this.
jesal21 1 year ago 3
@jesal21
Heh I know! WOW! ;-)
theoryrealm 1 year ago
Re: ticking time bomb scenarios: the deaths of civilians are the price a democracy has to be willing to pay if it wants to live up to its ideals, if it wants to maintain the moral high ground, if it wants to sleep at night. What's the point of saving lives if we lose our souls?
Rhademanthus 1 year ago
Bottom line is this...these people were waterboarded and THAT IS TORTURE !! There's no ifs, ands, or buts about it...IT'S TORTURE !! We are the United States and WE DO NOT TORTURE...PERIOD !!! Why are'nt Bush and Cheney in jail again ??! Because they are above the law !! ALL THESE POLITICIANS THINK THEY'RE ABOVE THE LAW....I DON'T THINK SO !!
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gsmalley17 1 year ago
i agree, the rights of amerikkan's should not be considered
theeffinone 1 year ago
@gsmalley17
Get a fucking grip on what the premise of the United States of America IS...about.
WE signed agreements, WE are America. Period. This is not Nazi Germany, or Pol Pot....
WE set the example, and you need your head, along with your AMERICAN VALUES, examined.
theoryrealm 1 year ago 3
@gsmalley17
perhaps we should rape the children of terrorists to get them to give up information. who cares about their rights? sodomize their wives in front of them? castrate their children in front of them? sure, do whatever it takes eh? that's the rationale that a lot of the police and military of the military juntas in latin america used, and theirs is an EMBARRASSING history
boing3887 1 year ago
@gsmalley17 You completely miss the point. It's the right of AMERICANS not to have themselves represented by the kind of lowlife thugs who condone or excuse torture. Thugs like yourself, who think human rights only belong to those you consider human. I'm not a terrorist sympathizer.
I believe America has the greater burden to show the strength of character we once prided ourselves on. I honestly don't think you want to live in the America you're cheerleading now.
OneVoiceMore 1 year ago
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gsmalley17 1 year ago
I'm going to put Cliff in a box.
His theory of "well, it doesn't matter if we find information that saves Americans" doesn't fly. He's missing the entire point.
FistOfCheese 1 year ago 2
its either torture or interrogation and waterboarding is torture. its half drowning man until he tells you something thats not something a cop would do to a suspect at a police station.
d31090 1 year ago 4
WELL we do do it shep
SO WHATCHA GONNA DO ABOUT IT
MrOnatopial 1 year ago
I'm from Derry, Northern Ireland. I lot of law abiding Northern Irish citizens starting killing British soldiers in retaliation for the torture of IRA suspects. If a country uses torture their soldiers and policemen are legitimate target for the friends and families of the torture victims.
brightasblackout 1 year ago 19
@brightasblackout The IRA were hardly innocent were they? Dont hold them up like a paragon of all that is good. Torture is wrong, no matter WHO does it... and the IRA were doing it long before the Brits got their hands on them. For example, when the IRA took an 18 and 19 year old straight off of the streets of Belfast and tortured them before shooting them in the ankles and wrists and dumping them in an alleyway.
CraigMetalHead 8 months ago
@CraigMetalHead
The IRA certainly weren't innocent. A lot of them were a shower of gangsters. You could get shot in the legs for going out with a girl a volunteer or someone connected fancied or beaten half to death for beating a Sinn Fiener at a game of pool in the pub. That said, you could also be pulled off a school bus and punched in the kidneys by troops hoping you'd give up some schoolyard gossip like who's brother was a player. Both equally worth a bullet in return.
brightasblackout 8 months ago
@brightasblackout Precisely, I think. If we are to hold ourselves in a higher regard we must hold ourselves to a higher standard, any fight that we join must be won morally before anything else. Only when your enemy sees you treating them like a friend despite what has happened will they start to even think about seeing eye to eye.
I know it sounds preachy and hippie-ish, but I dont see how mutual torture benefits either side.
CraigMetalHead 8 months ago
Let's excute every one involed in torture and "rough" intergation is torture.
Superhumanattack 1 year ago 3
Schelp Smith needs to step aside for Lou Dobbs. It is time Dobbs gets the large audience he deserves.
STPdemon 2 years ago
@STPdemon
Meaning: Put all retard conservative talk shows on Faux "News" and watch the retards jerk each other off.
pbmdh 2 years ago
step on the fucking insect retards fuck everyone
Blur2zoner2 2 years ago
..."rough interrogation techniques do not amount to torture"... what a joke.
caviper1 2 years ago 8
We americans believe in human rights!!! eh well we believe in them when it suits us...
basfranken 2 years ago 3
USA is such brutal for their own interrests...man, where is the difference between china?
tell me
Serpico261 2 years ago 4
We're taller?
Iceprince1989 1 year ago
This country is in big trouble....
tsfonline 2 years ago 3
Yeah, but it is debatable if waterboarding is 'torture.' I'd prefer to be waterboarded than, say, jump out of 100+ story building rather than burn to death anyday...F*ck the 'rights' of these terrorists! Had that plane blown up on Christmas day, Obama would have probably resigned on the spot. I predict he will not even run for re-election in 2012 as is.
STPdemon 2 years ago
@STPdemon lol..um yeah sure nostradamus.Hey tell me who you think is going to win the superbowl this year? (So I can bet on the other team)
bigbossman999 2 years ago 2
Fox News isn't all Hannity and Glenn Beck...
DavidDavingstonshire 2 years ago
Shep, at em boy!
kefkahkefkah 2 years ago 5
I am turning the corner on Shep. Dude actually thinks for himself.
HCGHollywood 2 years ago 5
I can't wait for when the American Republic collapses itself.
funktroop3r 2 years ago
Shep!Shep!Shep!
Go shep smith.
kefkahkefkah 2 years ago
Godammit, despite his working with fox News, I respect the hell outta Shep Smith.
CalebTheTimeTraveler 2 years ago 54
AAAGH NOT THE CATERPILLARS
pwnageprata 2 years ago
I believe Shepard Smith was the only Fox news journalist who was outraged & very critical at the way the Bush Crime Syndicate handled things in New Orleans during the whole Hurricane Katrina fiasco.
HarveyRex23 2 years ago
Shep is the only person on Fox I respect
blackbeltedninja 2 years ago 4
Do Shep and Judith realize they work for Fox? Are they allowed to say things like that? lol
TheSkinzilla 2 years ago 4
Do you realize that's because fox hires people from both sides of the aisle? Unlike what Obama has lead you to believe.
HaleFire7 2 years ago
Did anybody pay attention to this guy talking? He said "we aren't talking about torture for confessions...we're talking about it to get information." First, he just admit it was torture. Second, what is the difference between a confession and information..
drserge714 2 years ago 5
Excellent insight.
saved2play 2 years ago
hahhahaha!
Faux News thought they could quell the dissent from Judith Miller by hiring her? That's funny. Seriously, who can deny, w/o revealing their bias toward ignorance, that hiring Miller would or could effectively "shut her up."
Not that I'm not already having a whimsical day, but thanx for the smiles reaidka.
maskedphrogg 2 years ago
This is America and, sorry, we torture and have tortured.
80 years ago with the publication of the Wickersham Report on Lawlessness in Law Enforcement, America learned that torture does not work. Now America has conveniently forgotten that lesson.
aikido7 2 years ago 2
BS what about what we did to the Japanese people back in WW2?
RoseTheYuriFan 2 years ago
im not sure if anyone is getting the issue
THEMANGOREPUBLLIC 2 years ago
ohh thats what it is ... i guess i got all fooled with all abo gareeb prison photos of torturing iraq's people .. you american are the greatest country .. wish i was american too so i can join the army and play shooting on third world people as aims .. your day is coming ..
lilmoo7 2 years ago
i coach and teach kids...so dont hold all americans to that standard...you people probably do though, thats the lack of education in your part.
corpuscrookedchristi 2 years ago
lilmoo, your problem is not with America, or the American people, but with the corrupt leaders and corporations. The American people are generally friendly, peaceful, hard working people. Look at the millions of people that have protested about what's happening over there. They're trying to change things, but the wealthy and powerful own the politicians that make foreign policy.
TheSkinzilla 2 years ago 2
@lilmoo7: I'd ask you not to be such an idiot, but somehow I don't think you can help it.
"whole other bunch of crab", lol
PadraikKasier 2 years ago
why don't you help me then ..
lilmoo7 2 years ago
bulshit .. your policies are in a whole another world ... talking all the time about the idealistic manners of your nation and democracy and human rights and whole other bunch of crab .. know that you americans to the rest of worlds people eyes you are just scumbags living on others missery to get your best ..
an arab voice ..
lilmoo7 2 years ago
too bad you're judging American people based on our governments, and you don't know that many people in our country are for stopping the scumbags in office from living on other's missery. Don't judge everyone here (most of whom don't want to have petty wars with other countries) by what are pathetic leaders are doing.
an American voice...
stanmarsh071980 2 years ago 4
Shep Smith, we LOVE you.
DoctorReason 2 years ago 5
Scumbags that think torture rocks are quite close in mentality to those psycho terrorists.
afarro73 2 years ago 4
The b*tch is an idiot. About the cattipillar anyway.
Waterboarding is iffy. But putting a bug in a box?! Telling him it's not going to sting him? WTF?! And she talks as if he'd believe a couple of Western satans he can't even understand. I suppose we should give him a massage later so the stress doesn't burden his poor head.
PadraikKasier 2 years ago
dude, you'd freak out if some foreign people put you in a dark coffin, and dropped a bug on you in it. The point of it is to make the person think you've dropped a venomous insect in there with you. And yeah, that'd make someone panic.
stanmarsh071980 2 years ago 2
Yeah. That's the point.
If we're just going to make torture the same thing as any psychological distress whatsoever, I think we are going to find our hands very well tied.
PadraikKasier 2 years ago
"psychological distress" is a lot different than making someone freak out because they think they are going to die. People have died from "psychological distress" btw.
Doing this torture is just showing how weak and cowardly our country has truly become. Only scared people torture.
stanmarsh071980 2 years ago 4
You want some cheese with that whine?
PadraikKasier 2 years ago
Oops, @ stanmarsh07: sorry, that cheese thing was supposed to be directed at someone else.
People have "died" from a lot of things. And if that's true, I should be able to sue my older brothers or something for the kind of things they teased me about.
I mean, I agree that torture would show what you say it would show. I disagree that this stuff is torture, so your overarching morality statements are a little irrelevant.
PadraikKasier 2 years ago
Even Navy Seals say waterboarding is torture.....and I think they'd know what that is.
Torture that doesn't do physical damage can actually be worse. Chinese water torture, isolation, and waterboarding make people insane, and can do perminent mental damage.
And the people that will suffer the worse, are the ones that are not involved in anything... They won't be able to answer anything, and recieve more torture, and they'll end up lying just to have it stop.
stanmarsh071980 2 years ago 5
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all the sudden, Shepard smith and this ding bat bitch from the new york times, are experts on torture? WHAT THE FUCK????
vmkSAVAGEGUY 2 years ago
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it is a national security issue, to leave critical decisions, Military decisions! up to left wing fucking journalist! THAT IS FUCKING INSANE!
vmkSAVAGEGUY 2 years ago
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this is bullshit! we do not leave it up to the new york times, and little journalist BITCHES LIKE SHEPARD SMITH! IT SHOULD BE UP TO THE GENERALS ON THE FUCKING BATTLE FIELD!
vmkSAVAGEGUY 2 years ago
NO jack ass it is the FUCKING LAW PERIOD! Just like someone raping a woman in your family, ILLEGAL period not to mention immoral, this is why we are better than them. I am in the military and I don't want some 0-6 or 0-7 making those decisions their minds are not clear enough to make policy THEY ARE FOR CHESS LIKE STRATEGY, not fucking policy.....
theoperative85 2 years ago 5
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GET THE FUCK OUT THEN SHEPARD!!!!
vmkSAVAGEGUY 2 years ago
Don't bother calling me a left-wing liberal I think the dems are as hypocritical as the Repubs.
theoperative85 2 years ago 4
I am with you.. don't worry about those who will scream "left wing liberal", those people are pathetic and won't face the isssues face on because they know they are wrong. they have to resort to name calling just like bullies
fjkseattle 2 years ago 3
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shep is a leftwing liberal [light in his loafers]. he is a disgrace to the south.
scorzeny45 2 years ago
You are a disgrace to America and your the fucking dingbat. WHAT IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND. IT IS ILLEGAL!! We executed Japanese soldiers after WW2 for water boarding our captured men. Don't you see the irony not to mention hypocrisy. This is why we get attacked cause of ignorant pricks like you (from the south) figures, that let Bush think that we can do whatever we want, that is why we are hated because we don't practice what we preach anymore.
theoperative85 2 years ago 3
your the disgrace......
theoperative85 2 years ago
Shep belongs to MSNBC with Rachel & Keith!
-Chantal
Impeachthecriminals5 2 years ago
Waterboarding is more psychological than physical. It's harsh but it's not torture. You have to remember that these people are terrorists and the information obtained could well save lives. Another thing, if waterboarding is so horrendous, why did they have to do it 183 times to get results?
KnockOnWood21 2 years ago
It's only torture when it's done to Americans but it's not torture when America does it to everybody else.
MethodicalMadness 2 years ago
That doesn't seem to be the case, judging by the hue and cry over Gitmo.
KnockOnWood21 2 years ago
dummy
chromedreamz 2 years ago
Knock: WHAT results, idiot?
Impeachthecriminals5 2 years ago
So they tortured him 183 times and STILL couldn't get results. Kinda reinforces my point. But speaking of results, info obtained from waterboarding helped thwart a terror attack on LA.
KnockOnWood21 2 years ago
KnockOnWood: That's what the MEDIA is supposed to tell you, you believe any lies they dish out?
Impeachthecriminals5 2 years ago
If someone didn't know anything about a terrorist attack they'd have to waterboard 183 times....And physical torture IS psychological torture too. And psychological torture is physical torture...in short, they are TORTURE!!!
People have died from waterboarding for both drowning and the psychological affects. Try having someone tie you down, put a cloth over your face, and pouring water on your mouth and nose through the cloth. Then try to tell someone it's not torture.
stanmarsh071980 2 years ago
Hello, KSM did know about the terrorist attacks. The info he gave helped stop the LA bombings, remember?
This is real torture: rape, bamboo shoots under fingernails, bricks on prisoners testicles, breaking bones, medical experimentation, starvation, stuffing sand down the victim's mouth.
Waterboarding is nowhere near that bad. If someone did that to me, I'd be terrified but afterwards I'd be none the worse for wear. That's the whole idea.
KnockOnWood21 2 years ago
We should be treating these people just like anyone in our country. We don't waterboard, because it's TORTURE. Just because it's "not as bad" as some, doesn't mean it's not torture.
Instead of bending and twisting the constitution like a bunch of cowards. We should be brave and stick to our values.
I'd much rather die on my two feet, than live on my knees.
stanmarsh071980 2 years ago 2
why r u waisting ur time, the people like cliff is a coward, he wont go 1 hour of waterboarding which he wont do, also if its not torture why does the police do not do it? there is a reason, its torture, the american people dont care until it happens to them
blackshogun9 2 years ago
Anyone who doesn't think water boarding is torture is an absolutely DISGUSTING human being from the inside out.
Do you guys even know what water boarding is? It simulates that you are DROWNING by putting a bag of water over your head and tilting you backwards while you are blind folded and strapped down on a board.
That is not "rough interrogation" that is pure, raw TORTURE and I'd like to see anyone who thinks otherwise try it and then talk.
crushme80 2 years ago 2
Hi, I tried it. There was a training camp my brother was practicing it up in the summer military boot camp. Yeah, it's tough at first and it's scary and terrifying until you get used to it. So it's torture if you aren't trained for it. But after a few weeks, our men & women are prepared for it overseas.
I'm not particularly caring about whether it's "torture" or "enhanced interregation" or "tea time", it's whether it's effective or not. Does that make me scum now?
PadraikKasier 2 years ago
Yeah, it does. Because not only do I not believe you (um hello they don't waterboard you for military training--I know that for a fact) so I can call your bullshit right off the bat.
And you don't get "used to" simulating drowning. You can't get used to feeling like ur drowning and gasping for air. Its human instinct. Also, if you have tried waterboarding (which I don't believe for a fucking second) I would love for you to try it in a dark dungeon like atmosphere where u dont speak the language
crushme80 2 years ago
Bush and all his cohorts are filthy war criminals and deserve to be tried.....
eckyboyo 2 years ago 6
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And FOX News is supposedly conservatively biased. Hahaha, yeah right.
Further proof that FOX is the only fair and balanced network.
By the way, Shep is wrong ...
nygrenfilm 2 years ago
lol, one single voice in fox against torture and you say this is balanced ?
Do you know the definition of balanced ?
Melpheos1er 2 years ago 3
First of all, it isn't torture. Second of all, I'm tired of people calling this "enhanced" interrogation. It's not even that.
Now, I can tell that you clearly never watch FOX;most of it's critics don't. For example, O'Reilly is getting blasted by conservatives for routinely defending Obama ...
A few more commentators on FOX that speak against "torture" : Geraldo Rivera, Greta Van Sustren, Alan Colmes, Bob Beckel (a frequent guest), every anchor of FOX and Friends, Bill Hammer, Neil Cavuto,
nygrenfilm 2 years ago
Have you tried waterboarding ? How come Mancow who said numerous time that he should not be a big deal, called it torture in 6 seconds only ?
Melpheos1er 2 years ago 6
...why is he wrong?
toolkills 2 years ago
If you physically harm someone, it's torture. plain and simple, and that curly headed SOB needs to just shut up
Ineededanaccount0 2 years ago
can someone tell me the effect of the caterpillar in the box torture technique.
modevotion1 2 years ago
if u dont get it then u dont get it, listen to what she said
blackshogun9 2 years ago 2
my god, it is the first reasonable thing i've heard from fox news in years
amphibian200 2 years ago 4
america voted the results are in.
dear republicans, crawl back into your insect coffin "interrogation" coffins and STFU
mostecri 2 years ago
Good that you admit it's torture; and psychological tortures are the worse kind of tortures. Shep smith might be the only real journalists on Fix news
nghitani 2 years ago
and yet, if it were a marine being waterboarded in front of you, in order to obtain information, and the assaliants saying 'oh, it's just rough torture. Now put him in the box with the catapillar.', you would jump those guys in order to SAVE our marine. You and anyone who fails to see the hypocracy in this issue are retarded.
Gamingtrevor 2 years ago
It's funny that we hunted down and executed Japanese and German "war criminals" for doing these things on our soldiers
geandily 2 years ago 3
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I'd beleive them over this peice of shit we have as a leader now, what a joker he is, has done nothing but the same things in the past theres no change, except in our pockets.
dwilha 2 years ago
That should be, "This is America, we don't f***ing torture."
yoplaitlvr 2 years ago
Janet Reno under Bill Clinton tortured 76 American citizens at Waco, TX, which included 22 CHILDREN.
For weeks they had the FBI project loud heavily distorted music and noise at the compound, including sounds of rabbits being slaughtered. They used sleep depravation to drive all those inside to the edge of insanity. They cut off power and water to the building even though they knew there were CHILDREN still inside. They used gas grenades which contained poison cyanide.
R U outraged??
wildbrush81 2 years ago
Dunno about the cyanide, but i definitely agree with you that the FBI were totally out of line there. They used a 180,000 watt sound system, like 4 big rock concert rigs at once. It was a totally ridiculous amount of noise going in there.
kiwifulla3 2 years ago
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wildbrush81 2 years ago
Why are we worried about being better than them ? We should only be worried about extracting information from them by any means possible . Who gives a shit what some other pussy countries think of us. Just kill the fuckers
daisycutterdream 2 years ago
Shep Smith is the ONLY person at Fox worthy of any form of respect from me.
kevlonk 2 years ago
Japanese torture didn't stop US from winning WWII. Terrorist beheading, murdering and torture didn't stop US from chasing them. These tell us that an ideal is not killed by doing torture and letting the enemies know you do it.
Wterboarding during WWII and nowadays has the same procedure. You simulate drowning and making the prisoner feel like dying till they speak. Prisoner won't talk if he doesn't feel like dying. So regardless of what experts says, current waterboarding is the same as WWII.
chilenozo 2 years ago
Uneducated conservatives think that, cause some interrogation won't leave evident scars, that means they are fine. Maybe 100 years ago, interrogators would beat prisoners till they speak (lack of knowledge). But they did so cause they thought the more pain and making the prisoner feel like he's going to die, would make him speak. Techniques nowadays leave less scars, but they are based in the same principle, make the enemy feel lots of pain and feel like they gonna day, and that's torture.
chilenozo 2 years ago
WTF are you talking about? The Japanese used the forced ingestion of salt water to their POW's and stomped on their stomachs to induce vomiting. Nothing like what we've used in Guantanamo Bay.
sakonhagakure 2 years ago
did you read what I said?. Japs used it cause they wanted to make the enemy feel pain, and make him feel like they will die. And now, with more advanced techniques, US still making the detainees feel pain and make them believe they gonna die. Otherwise they wouldn't talk at all. And that is torture. Look, what would you say if someones points a gun on your family and tells you you have to speak?, at the moment there is no beating and physical pain, but still it is unethical doesn't it?
chilenozo 2 years ago
Alot of the torture techniques the Japanese used weren't just used to extract information. Alot of the time it was for their own personal entertainment. (like allied POW's being used for Iajitsu competitions) The Bush administration did it as a last resort. And besides who gives a shit if some guy from durkadurkastan thinks we're gonna kill him if he doesn't tell us where his terror cell leader is or when the next plot is going to happen?
sakonhagakure 2 years ago
Well. Admit that then, AND DO NOT SIGN GENEVA CONVENTIONS!. So, I don't know why there is even a discussion about torture, clearly people like you give a damn fuck about torturing an enemy (Japs thought the same about you, and any enemy you would have think the same if they give a shit about torturing an enemy). If the excuse is saving lives, every one can claim that, cause it is tough to define a line between how many lives torture saves. So don't claim having high moral standards then.
chilenozo 2 years ago
What you claim about Japs being entertained by doing torture is not demonstrated, and it's not even near to the average. But anyways, US also torture and have fun at the same time, don't u remember the prisoners pictures in Abu Grahib?. Haha, anything that US had condemn about torture in the past (Japanese soldier trials included) has being done by America itself. The good thing is that we live in an era of easy access 2 information, and, like the Daily Show, is easy to show contradiction.
chilenozo 2 years ago
The daily show? Are you friggin kidding me? You do realize that even Jon Stewart himself said that his show isn't a reliable source of information considering he purposely takes quotes out of context and puts a left wing spin on them. (same thing with the Colbert Report.) As far as Abu Gharib goes right now General Karpinsky is now Colonel Karpinsky and Spc.Englund is now PVT.England and dishonorably discharged. But what they did is nothing compared to using prisoners for sword cutting practice.
sakonhagakure 2 years ago
Dude, you're clearly not thinking what you read. When I mention the DS, is not cause I want to quote them as valid info, I'm doing it just to show you how easy is these days to go back in time, look for info, and show contradiction. That's all.
And then, you are trying to minimize Abu Ghraib compared to Japs, of course if you go from A to B, using road 801 is different from 702, but you have to see the big picture, both ways give the same results. It is like comparing an A+ torture with an A-.
chilenozo 2 years ago
I'm not the one who brought up Abu Gharib. It was you. I'm not the one who's comparing what happened at Abu Gharib to what happened to allied POW's in the pacific theatre you are. Only reason why you think I'm going from A to B using road 801 instead of using 702 is because that's the direction you're going.
sakonhagakure 2 years ago
This one was one of my initial statement on this thread (and you made a comment on this thread, so I thought you had the will to chat):
"Wterboarding during WWII and nowadays has the same procedure". Comparing Abu Grahib to Japs, and telling you how to get from A to B has everything to do with that statement. Dude, you need to go back to college, I am a PhD graduate way above your argumentative logic. You sound like those people in fox news, they just argue for the sake of it, have a good day.
chilenozo 2 years ago
Torture, torture, torture...
We need to do what protects Americans and learn to keep our mouths shut.
Pronghorn67 2 years ago
I agree with Pronghorn67. We should stay quiet and go along with whatever Big Brother says is best for us.
mientememami 2 years ago
Wasn't Shepherd Smith in New York when the Twin Towers came down? Why are we so sensitive to the feelings of terrorists when lives are at stake???
catholicpriest1 2 years ago
"They were using torture on John McCain to coerce a false confession . We're not talking about torture for confessions, we're not talking about torture for revenge/punishment. We're talking about it (TORTURE) to get information to save American lives."
Read that quote carefully. He who is not in favour or torture is condoning it. This is a clear issue. It is binary. Torture is well defined both in the U.S.A. and internationally as a crime. If the U.S.A. is above the law, why not Sudan?
rokmontez 2 years ago
"I'm not in favor of torture ... but all rough interrogation techniques do not amount to torture..." Um, yeah, but where is the line? "Rough" or "Enhanced" interrogation is tortured rationalized by affixing either aforementioned adjective. You either rise above your enemy or you sink to their level at your own peril.
rokmontez 2 years ago
shep is a great journalist, he deserves an award
kubikdav 2 years ago
This issue needs to be left alone. The new administration have layed out their policies. We should go from there... this administration would've done the exact same thing if they were in office starting in the year 2000. Hands down, no questions... it is getting too political instead of focusing on the welfare and safekeeping of Americans.
kherics 2 years ago
Ok, what I'm watching here is a comedy channel named Fox News.
hermanoarnoldo 2 years ago