The blonde kid was a young Jacob, I believe. Overall, I agree with you guys. There were a lot questions unanswered and a many half-assed concepts that went nowhere. However, I still enjoyed the final episode.
I'm more cynical about the show after seeing the last season and how it ended. I think that the entire rest of the show suffers as a result. Why? Because the answers to a lot of these questions like what is the smoke monster and what is the deal with the dharma initiative are a large part of the reason WHY the show was interesting and WHY I watched. Now that we learn it's all baloney based on nothing from writers with no ideas, it INVALIDATES my earlier enthusiasm and interest in the show.
season 5 was the best season of LOST i have watched every episode of this show at least 5 times and the enitire series in order twice since the show ended alot of your problems and points are entirely useless and wrong season 6 was a dissapointment and im still confused on the jughead and the sideways world but the end was fine you are didnt get jack was dead on the island and was entering heaven with the most importnat people in his life
I figured the MIB had fought his way out of the thing, that's why he escaped in an altered form rather than dying. Also he wasn't quite a person, he had some sort of powers and a long life, he was more like a fairy or demigod. So if you chucked some regular dude in there, he'd just die.
Jacob and the MIB aren't interesting because they're transparent plot devices that allowed the show to pretend to answer questions. If weird stuff happens on the island, people wanna know why, and if the answer is "Because it's magic," not many people will be satisfied with that. So they introduced a pair of "godlike characters," and if weird stuff happens, it's cuz they made it happen, but it's just the same thing. Just a more complicated version of "Because it's magic." That's their purpose.
Guys, Sayeed is really not a problem. If you can get 2 billion people to believe in Zombie Jesus, you can get 10 million people to accept Zombie Sayeed.
My wife frigging loved this show, and I often wondered for the hour a week it was on if she had been switch with someone else. Being a good husband, I sat and listened to her speculate and ruminate, all the while thinking ‘they’re never gonna explain that’.
She started watching ‘Persons Unknown’ and it’s like nope, not going there again.
But she does make a good point, in my opinion. She said Lost was never about the island or the mysteries, it was about the characters.
Lost isn't over. There is going to be a twelve minute epilogue to answer questions and to wrap up a few character moments. If you didn't like the finale, chances are that you'll like this. The first minute or so has been posted up onto youtube.
Smashbros2 is right, the young blond guy is Jacob, it is so obvious can't believe you guys misses a thing that simple...other than that though I agree with alot of stuff.
Hey confusedmatthew the reason they were trying to get women to give birth is no different than the million other experiments that were going on on the island. I agree with nearly 100% of everything you guys are saying but that one was pretty simple, people living for years on an island in a community are going to want to have children, they realized they couldn't and were trying to work out why and if there was anything that could be done about it.
@confusedmatthew I just finished season 5 and I am confused about what you said about season 6 is the whole season bad or just the last episode any help would be appreciated
thumbs this up if you think the show shouldve ended after season 3 with a major cliffhangar but with some reason yaknow it would have been better that this
Getting to know more of the island's story would've been very interesting. For example, let's say we have an episode or two about the people who built the statue. The episodes can show who these people are, why they built the statue, and it can also tell about the various conflicts they may be going through, and stuff.
All in all, explaining more of the island's story would've been much better, and people who actually don't care about it underestimate the impact it could've had on the show
I guess we're supposed to believe that the reason pregnant women were dying was because the island didn't want the others to move into the Dharma Initiative Barracks, which was hinted at in a conversation between Ben and Flocke last season. Yeah I know, sounds like a pretty cheap explanation to me too.
The blonde kid was the ghost of Jacob; he appeared in his adult form to explain what his candidates were supposed to do.
What I didn't understand was how did the people get into that church to ascend to heaven? If everyone on the plane died on impact and the island was pergatory, why weren't Ana Lucia or Mr. Eko from season 2 in the church? Why was Penny there? She had never gone to the island. If people who died on the island were there, why were the characters they left alive at the church?
I stopped watching this show in the middle of season2 for 2 reasons: (1) There was no way a show as intricate as this could come to a decent end (2) the characters couldn't solve anything without resorting to homicide. Here's LOST in 5 seconds:
"hmmm, what a weird island. How can we figure it out?"
"Maybe if we kill enough people we'll understand it..."
Lost only has one problem, it's simply 'Crappy Fantasy' With so many things that dont make any sense whatsoever i might as well be reading a Bible or watch Fox News. Dont get me wrong, Fantasy can have it's good moments. like LoTR and StarWars456. Though most of the cores in those stories can be set in actual real-world situations. When Fantasy is there to skip the logic between A to B, then A and B must be awesome to compensate.
If you ask me, seasons 1,2, 5 were the best the show had to offer.
Season 3 became way to much about the confrontation they would have with the others or being stuck in a cage eating fish biscuits, and by season 4 that all build up didn't matter.
As bat shit crazy as season 5 got it was still enjoyable to watch.
Assuming the Island was real, smoke monsters exist and you can survive a nuclear blast! No answers. We spent a year in Sideways World to find out it was not a parallel universe but purgatory. Finale was a cheap way to bring back everybody for a saccharine happy ending. A waste of six years.
Lost is forgiven for its outlandish ideas because it pretty much jumped the shark as soon as it hit the ground running. People just shrugged their shoulders and went with those ideas because it wasn't anything new to them. if that was done on purpose, kudos to the writers. Scramble the picture before you broadcast it. That way, people will be impressed by the clear portions that shine through, and not be bothered by the static, because, after all, it was nothing but static to begin with. IMO.
I'd give the Series and overall 9/10. LOST is definitely not flawless.
Season 1 - 10
Season 2 - 9
Season 3 - 9
Season 4 - 9
Season 5 - 8
Season 6 - 5 -- this was the straw that broke the camel's back. Darlton should've been given another season instead of the 3 they asked for because there were so many storytelling issues here. I liked the finale, but that didn't excuse the absolute weakness of the final season. Bummer.
i'm extremely disappointed with the finale.. one thing tht really bugs me is why is claire's baby in the church at the end.. yes they're all dead and we don't know exactly when all of the characters died (such as sawyer and kate), but i know for sure that aaron didn't die as a baby because kate left the island with him and we saw him as a 3yr old toddler
@everythang09 It was their reality at the time. They pass to heaven when walking into the light at the church. So in a way that reality was the afterlife, a final station before departing to the heavens.
@Zen09 The numbers where the number of candidates. 4.Locke 8.Hugo 15.James 16.Sayid 23.Jack 42.Kwon (Jin or Sun). There were 360 candidates, the "losties" were the last of them.
I agree that this season was probably the weakest one. For some reason it also seemed like the cheapest too. I think the show was slipping a little into the workman like mindset and the magic and the scope from the start of the show was wearing out. However I liked the closure that the finale gave us. It was great that these characters got a chance to round off their stories. However I would have liked this season to be more like the start. More self contained like the first. Still, Lost rules
Nice review you guys had a lot of valid points changes my perspective of it a little but I thought the ending of the series was good not great but agree that as a season ending it was bad. season six really didn't go very far and they could have totally continued it for a few more seasons.
With this show and Heroes gone, this was the end of thrilling serialized dramas. Heroes lost their way years ago, but Lost had the opportunity to make of the best finales ever and make the six year journey worth it. But they drop the ball! The bomb blowing up in the previous season would have made a better ending.
One thing they didn't explaine that i would have like to know is what the deal with the numbers was. It was a code for the machine in the hatch, but it apperantly alsow destroyed the life of hugo and sevaral people before him.
seriously i really got the feeling this show was ending way to early and ironicly this show called supernatural had a season finale that would have been so much more statisfing if it were a series finale then this show was. mabye even one of the most statisfing seires finales i saw in a long time but it was actully a seasons finale seriously watch the episode
What I never understood is how the adoptive mother of Jacoba and the Man in Black told them they couldn't hurt each other. Yet twice in the episode, Jacob broke his brother's nose, and then killed him. WTF?
I also believe that if a show generates arguments all over youtube and IMDB like LOST is, it is a badly written show. No, I am not talking about constructive arguments that the amazing Sopranos finale generated, but the type of arguments that show me that there are many divisions between people about what the SHOW EVEN WAS ABOUT. That is BAD!!!.
I'm tired of commenting but I though confusedmatthew's comment section would be the best place to rant.
I enjoyed the last episode and thought it hit a lot of good beats but I am very disappointed with the reveal about the flash-sideways. First of all because it was very predictable and many people saw it coming, but moreover, the writers broke their promise. They said that what happened in the flash-sideways was real and there were real stakes but in the end that's not true. It was a Jakob's Ladder-type death trip, and NOTHING was at stake. These people were already dead!
ok thats the only part of the finale i did not get, how and why are dead, i just doesn't make any sense, is it like their own personel little reality where they ujst chill and wait to "remember" and "leave" .............like WTF! (plz message me back with insight)
@MikeRyu The idea that the sideways world was some kind of an afterlife was a very popular theory among TV critics. When I say the stakes weren't real, what I mean is that when, for example, Sayid was in a gunfight with Keamy from the freighter, there was no real danger of Sayid being killed because he was already dead. That was kind of what I was afraid of when I was watching it. It's much more exciting to see characters in situations where you're able to believe they could actually get hurt.
@lotsapillarbiter That's true. I guess we just don't know what would have happened if one of the Losties was killed in that place. Keamy and Mikhail were afterall.
That's what bugged was that what happened on the island never seemed to really have an affect on the outside world, so what was so important about protecting the island and keepin MIB on it? I didn't want it turn into a disaster movie but give the event some sort of gravitous.
If you wanna see a bad ending to a series and a particularly bad last episode then go watch Battlestar Galactica, Compared to that Lost last season was pure gold.
Huge fan of the show and the ending....i can understand why you guys weren't fans of the finale...you guys are the only negative critique that has been worth listening too...too many people are posting horrible things about the finale and don't know what they are talking about but u guys do
meh understand it already series title "Lost" is not about characters of the show being lost but audience of the show being lost or not having a clue what is going on.
The reason Desmond and Jack weren't harmed going down the cave was because Desmond went first and he has a "unique resistance to electro magnetism" as Widmore stated... something that happened to him when he detonated the Hatch in Season 2... when he drained the Cave the threat against Jack was gone as well.
I agree with most of what you said here, but I still like the final episode because it provided closure. It may not have been spectacular, or even functional according to you or stan, but it worked in the terms of the show, with moving on and the like. That and I bawled my eyes out, and I really don't want to back track on that.
The time travel explained so much, without spelling it out. It created a sense of destiny that didn't depend upon vague mysticism, and it was a great tool for seeing the island's history.
It was also a great sc-fi idea. I would consider it one of the triumphs of the show, and I disagree when you say it should have been shelved.
@vivthefree I liked the time travel season a lot. I wasn't saying it should have been done away with, I was just saying that they could have made this a season or two shorter if it meant giving us a better ending.
I think at some point the creators decided that they had painted themselves into a corner, and they could never please their core audience of left-brained thinkers, so they slowly turned Lost into a character-driven soap opera. Not to be sexist, but I think it is telling that most of the people who enjoyed the finale are women.
wow, i'm actually kind of surprised you guys didn't love this episode. i dont think the finale should have explained everything, it just keeps those things open to interpretation and the experience more mysterious. and concerning the characters, the entire finale was devoted to character studies, so i don't understand how you can say the finale had nothing to do with the characters like the first season. oh well, even though i don't at all agree with you, i'm sorry you didn't like the finale.
One thing that really bugged me on the whole was that every character, back story and plotline that came out of the tail end saviours was irrelevant and just didnt need to happen in order for the show to get to the point it got to in The End. They all died and contributed nothing of great value.
I don't think I agree with your comment on Quantum leap's finale. I mean I know the show was cancelled and while it was sad to see that Sam didn't make it back home but also at the same time based on the conversation between him and that bartender it seemed to suggest as I remember that what Sam wanted the most deep down was to help others so as long as he was still doing that I was satisfied.
I haven't actually watched Lost for a long while now but from the sound of it you should have watched the "Ashes to ashes" finale instead. As that series managed to answer the questions clearly and satisfying from both that series and it's predecessor with some good character moments as well.
The only two questions I can really answer based on what the show has actually shown are: The blonde kid was kid-jacob because... um... yeah. And the smoke monster (according to Jacob) would have basically destroyed the world. Somehow. Anyway, great review as always.
The little blond kid was Jacob as a boy. He apparently can make himself appear as both an adult and a child.
I've heard rumblings and talks of a novelized version that supposed to explore more things in detail, also a possible movie with the whole cast returning to help explain everything.
BTW, what ever happend to the black horse that Kate saw? Did that have any significance? And why didn't they bring back Eko for the final afterlife reunion?
@FlowCell I thought that at first too. But at one point, the blond kid said to Smokey "you know the rules, you can't kill him". If he had been Jacob, he should have said "you know the rules, you can't kill ME".
@confusedmatthew No, the boy was talking about Sawyer. He couldn't kill Sawyer because he was a candidate. Jacob was already dead. MiB couldn't kill Jacob, so he manipulated Ben into doing it. The blonde kid is Jacob, he even asks Hurley for his ashes.
@confusedmatthew That was young Jacob. When he said "you can't kill him" he was probably referring to one of the candidates (I'm guessing Sawyer since that episode was about Smokey trying to turn Sawyer).
@confusedmatthew another interpretation of "you can't kill him" is that Smokey could not directly kill the candidates and must use the same indirect tactics that resulted in Jacob's death
Nah, he was dead already... looks like he couldn't kill the candidates, either, and then Jacob took the ashes from Hurley... and became adult.
Now, of course it doesn't matter who was who, as the only criterion counting is that the writing sucked donkey ass... it was Jacob boy... could've been his (adoptive) grand dad, as well.
I could've been anyone, the substance of this "plot element" would still be zero.
Hey, do you think that maybe the whole show was basically a giant piss?
First, they just throw in random mystery themes like soothsaying, faith healing, luck, ghosts/apparitions and channeling and borrow prominent names from philosophers and scientists without any significance at all, they include overdone clichés like "this child is special", the nut house loony with deep, vital insight and the obligatory "schisophrenic episode" - without any aftermath as expected -
- then all of a sudden they include FUCKING TIME TRAVEL (which is interesting at first when the "time barrier" surrounding the island is introduced, but becomes plain laughable and incoherent as soon as they start jumping through time and accurately landing at dramaturgically points in time AND place) and have two "sarcastic characters" basically shattering the fourth wall by arguing over temporal paradoxa and their respective supernatural skills like a parody of discussions nerd fanbois...
... tend to have over similar sci-fi plot devices which are all, at the end of day, made up of thin air and often don't extend farther than a single episode if it's a TV show (like the "subspace alien inductions" in TNG) - with these two, ironically, lacking any explanation, relevance, resolution or substance as well.
Now while in Star Trek or superhero universes, you kinda accept all kinds of crazy, poorly thought-out and contradictory ideas shoven into single...
.... episodes as fitting the general premise somewhat, somehow (space, dimensions, other secies and advanced technology / kryptonite and aliens /ghosts, monsters and afterlife = everything goes) and don't ask questions, Lost always suggested some sort of "grand unified theory" behind every mystery and the sheer incoherence of the various mysteries and plot devices thrown in (in a sense really culminating in Miles' and Hurley's contradictory and totally unexplained "medium" abilities not only...
... demonstrated in the same episodes but even discussed between them) suddenly becomes so painfully present.
The time travel idea (that just suddenly appeared to somehow fit into this "grand mystery") disappeared as suddenly as it arised, leaving no impact whatsoever - and once again, they shatter the fourth wall to make sure the viewer doesn't overlook the ineptitude.
Then Hurley... he should've been there in the Hammer when Roland was barking at Neo... "hey dude... did someone notice?..
... there were just sentinels trying to kill us... and then Neo just destroyed them... and they were gone" - Roland stares out of the window, ignores him.
After suffering through this cheap suspense device of characters understanding each other on half-sentence and never asking questions (or asking again after being ignored) when the authors want to keep the tension up, moments like these are fucking brilliance.
Then, after subtly inquiring about the complex mysteries of life early on...
... what they end up with is simplistic straight-in-your-face fairytale "answers" to the complex questions raised partially derived from real life (less so the smoke monster, but for example the "fateful" lives of the passengers prior to the crash were explained away by "Jacob did it") just in the style of the Book of Genesis which ultimately just create more problems than they solve, and don't do justice to the complexity of the question raised by far.
Who created the creator? "The light in the cave did it."
Everything happened for a reason - but not a grand mysterious one, but a trivial cop-out the characters were all chess figures in the grand masterplan of Satan and Jesus (hey, he does have a beard), and where they come from? From that crazy woman who killed that mother, who happened to have two babies... she "made it so" that they don't hurt each other.
Seems like a giant piss on simple-minded religious dogma which just...
... seems to give the "ultimate answers how all came to be), but on second look, don't do shit and just look like easy cop-outs.
Then the afterlife twist shreds to pieces simultaneously the time hovering time paradoxon question, AND the afterlife mystery that's been going on since the beginning.
All the ghosts, and dream apparitions, and Sawyer channeling Kate's dad - nvm, they probably entered the light and THEN appeared as ghosts. Solved.
Whether intentional or not (I guess a little bit of the former, but generally not as the script is still full of slop and holes no matter what), the message Lost sends seems clear to me:
Let's all quit getting all crazy about mystery and sci-fi stuff - it's all made up from the head and disappears in a puff of smoke as soon as it ends.
So how about we grow some skeptism, stop wasting our times with myths and fairytales and go study some science instead...
@FlowCell the black horse that kate saw was something that must have died on the island because it was the black smoke because the black smoke can turn into anything on the island that is dead
@purduewilly Exactly, what was the point of Walt, and why did he and some of the other characters have special powers? Desmond could withstand super powerful electromagnetic fields, Hurley could see the dead and Chang could tell what a person was thinking when they died.
While I admit it was a little disappointing, I still disagree....
This finale had so many touching heartfelt moments that had me in tears; you can't deny it. I just don't understand why the ending had to be "afterlife" and not just an alternate true reality?? (And that's coming from a christian)
I loved this show and I'm so sad to see it go, but they sure did some incredible things with this final season that are unforgettable...
@SpazzMaster8705 I've been wondering that about The Simpsons for a couple of years now. It is a show that should die because it became the very thing it used to make fun of!
@SpazzMaster8705 Funny you should say that, because they recently made it official that Smallville will end after it's upcoming 10th season. Oh and by the way, you're completely wrong. Smallville is not a good show; it used to be, but now it's a piss awful, lazily written bastardization of the Superman myth, and it hasn't been good since it's 3rd season.
The blonde kid was young Jacob.
HiddenBladeStab 2 months ago
lost tried what little busters! VN did, except they failed in the end
nejixdragon 4 months ago
The blonde kid was a young Jacob, I believe. Overall, I agree with you guys. There were a lot questions unanswered and a many half-assed concepts that went nowhere. However, I still enjoyed the final episode.
ChomskyandCheetos 7 months ago
it kind of make the show pointless if the whole thing was this a dream
abarrathemaster 8 months ago
Oh, and if anyone states Lost is one of their biggest disappointment in life, they clearly need to get out more.
pypeworld 9 months ago 2
If you read a Harry Potter book, now that's a complete waste of time, especially if your a grown adult.
pypeworld 9 months ago
Women cant give birth on the island due to the excess electromagnetism released after the incident
Brejon1991 11 months ago 2
@Brejon1991 Why ? Could be because of the polar bears, with such an explanation.
Quartrez 11 months ago
I'm more cynical about the show after seeing the last season and how it ended. I think that the entire rest of the show suffers as a result. Why? Because the answers to a lot of these questions like what is the smoke monster and what is the deal with the dharma initiative are a large part of the reason WHY the show was interesting and WHY I watched. Now that we learn it's all baloney based on nothing from writers with no ideas, it INVALIDATES my earlier enthusiasm and interest in the show.
gml142 1 year ago
season 5 was the best season of LOST i have watched every episode of this show at least 5 times and the enitire series in order twice since the show ended alot of your problems and points are entirely useless and wrong season 6 was a dissapointment and im still confused on the jughead and the sideways world but the end was fine you are didnt get jack was dead on the island and was entering heaven with the most importnat people in his life
nymets7507 1 year ago
@bluerangerx11 i certainly hope not. the epilogue was enough to condemn it.
MrZingnigga 1 year ago
The little kid was the young Jacob. Women couldn't have children on the island because of the radiation set off by the Atomic Bomb.
FireMask2012 1 year ago
The little kid was the young Jacob.
FireMask2012 1 year ago
I figured the MIB had fought his way out of the thing, that's why he escaped in an altered form rather than dying. Also he wasn't quite a person, he had some sort of powers and a long life, he was more like a fairy or demigod. So if you chucked some regular dude in there, he'd just die.
fnatsy 1 year ago
most people think the last harry potter book was the best book in the series am i right
bluerangerx11 1 year ago
Jacob and the MIB aren't interesting because they're transparent plot devices that allowed the show to pretend to answer questions. If weird stuff happens on the island, people wanna know why, and if the answer is "Because it's magic," not many people will be satisfied with that. So they introduced a pair of "godlike characters," and if weird stuff happens, it's cuz they made it happen, but it's just the same thing. Just a more complicated version of "Because it's magic." That's their purpose.
vicomtepicabia 1 year ago
Guys, Sayeed is really not a problem. If you can get 2 billion people to believe in Zombie Jesus, you can get 10 million people to accept Zombie Sayeed.
PurushaDesa 1 year ago
@PurushaDesa That's the problem.
BitHarmony 1 year ago
My wife frigging loved this show, and I often wondered for the hour a week it was on if she had been switch with someone else. Being a good husband, I sat and listened to her speculate and ruminate, all the while thinking ‘they’re never gonna explain that’.
She started watching ‘Persons Unknown’ and it’s like nope, not going there again.
But she does make a good point, in my opinion. She said Lost was never about the island or the mysteries, it was about the characters.
cybertyte 1 year ago
That kid was a remnant of Jacob.
PSshadow92 1 year ago
Lost isn't over. There is going to be a twelve minute epilogue to answer questions and to wrap up a few character moments. If you didn't like the finale, chances are that you'll like this. The first minute or so has been posted up onto youtube.
ShadowconLM14 1 year ago
@ShadowconLM14
a twelve minute epilogue?
msharleyquinzel 1 year ago
@msharleyquinzel Yes. It's supposed to be released with the Season Six DVD, but it has been released on the internet now.
ShadowconLM14 1 year ago
The blonde kid was young jacob.
tsthunt 1 year ago
did you guys really not catch the fact that the kid running around was Jacob? Really? and Jesus you guys bitch about everything.
wes5020 1 year ago
Smashbros2 is right, the young blond guy is Jacob, it is so obvious can't believe you guys misses a thing that simple...other than that though I agree with alot of stuff.
Phylux 1 year ago
Hey confusedmatthew the reason they were trying to get women to give birth is no different than the million other experiments that were going on on the island. I agree with nearly 100% of everything you guys are saying but that one was pretty simple, people living for years on an island in a community are going to want to have children, they realized they couldn't and were trying to work out why and if there was anything that could be done about it.
kalelwannabe 1 year ago
@confusedmatthew I just finished season 5 and I am confused about what you said about season 6 is the whole season bad or just the last episode any help would be appreciated
Tentalicx 1 year ago
thumbs this up if you think the show shouldve ended after season 3 with a major cliffhangar but with some reason yaknow it would have been better that this
ChurchsTwin 1 year ago
The blonde haired kid is jacob's younger self
SmashBrosMaster277 1 year ago
This isn't really a review? I wasted 9:50 of my life listening to one guy whine and the other say "oh yeah, what the fuck was that?".
TheTrueAndyZidane 1 year ago 2
I call for a redo of the last season!
frankenshizzle 1 year ago
Getting to know more of the island's story would've been very interesting. For example, let's say we have an episode or two about the people who built the statue. The episodes can show who these people are, why they built the statue, and it can also tell about the various conflicts they may be going through, and stuff.
All in all, explaining more of the island's story would've been much better, and people who actually don't care about it underestimate the impact it could've had on the show
Quartrez 1 year ago
I guess we're supposed to believe that the reason pregnant women were dying was because the island didn't want the others to move into the Dharma Initiative Barracks, which was hinted at in a conversation between Ben and Flocke last season. Yeah I know, sounds like a pretty cheap explanation to me too.
keysersoze5 1 year ago
The blonde kid was the ghost of Jacob; he appeared in his adult form to explain what his candidates were supposed to do.
What I didn't understand was how did the people get into that church to ascend to heaven? If everyone on the plane died on impact and the island was pergatory, why weren't Ana Lucia or Mr. Eko from season 2 in the church? Why was Penny there? She had never gone to the island. If people who died on the island were there, why were the characters they left alive at the church?
Darklordjadow1 1 year ago
I stopped watching this show in the middle of season2 for 2 reasons: (1) There was no way a show as intricate as this could come to a decent end (2) the characters couldn't solve anything without resorting to homicide. Here's LOST in 5 seconds:
"hmmm, what a weird island. How can we figure it out?"
"Maybe if we kill enough people we'll understand it..."
(BLAM! HACK! CHOP! HANG! SLICE! MAIM!)
"I learned nothing. How about you?"
"Nope not a thing"
MisterBIGM0UTH 1 year ago
"I think this is an ending that the creators of this show are going to be apologizing for for many years after this"
That doesn't seem very likely to me.
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uuu64 1 year ago
If you ask me, seasons 1,2, 5 were the best the show had to offer.
Season 3 became way to much about the confrontation they would have with the others or being stuck in a cage eating fish biscuits, and by season 4 that all build up didn't matter.
As bat shit crazy as season 5 got it was still enjoyable to watch.
Season 6 has really sucked...-_-
ramik81 1 year ago
Assuming the Island was real, smoke monsters exist and you can survive a nuclear blast! No answers. We spent a year in Sideways World to find out it was not a parallel universe but purgatory. Finale was a cheap way to bring back everybody for a saccharine happy ending. A waste of six years.
Basementblogger 1 year ago
what was the kid on the Island? for serious? you lost me right there. it was Jacob. what have you been watching?
igrivea 1 year ago
enh...my brain cramped.
kranktank 1 year ago
Lost is forgiven for its outlandish ideas because it pretty much jumped the shark as soon as it hit the ground running. People just shrugged their shoulders and went with those ideas because it wasn't anything new to them. if that was done on purpose, kudos to the writers. Scramble the picture before you broadcast it. That way, people will be impressed by the clear portions that shine through, and not be bothered by the static, because, after all, it was nothing but static to begin with. IMO.
TheSchoolWorld 1 year ago
I'd give the Series and overall 9/10. LOST is definitely not flawless.
Season 1 - 10
Season 2 - 9
Season 3 - 9
Season 4 - 9
Season 5 - 8
Season 6 - 5 -- this was the straw that broke the camel's back. Darlton should've been given another season instead of the 3 they asked for because there were so many storytelling issues here. I liked the finale, but that didn't excuse the absolute weakness of the final season. Bummer.
Storage1129 1 year ago
I think we all knew the creators didn't know how to end this and couldn't have expected much better than this.
JohhnyMayhem 1 year ago
i'm extremely disappointed with the finale.. one thing tht really bugs me is why is claire's baby in the church at the end.. yes they're all dead and we don't know exactly when all of the characters died (such as sawyer and kate), but i know for sure that aaron didn't die as a baby because kate left the island with him and we saw him as a 3yr old toddler
everythang09 1 year ago
@everythang09 It was their reality at the time. They pass to heaven when walking into the light at the church. So in a way that reality was the afterlife, a final station before departing to the heavens.
DMSL2007 1 year ago
Congrats guys, you managed to talk about a finale you didn't like without letting it pollute the enjoyment you had with the rest of the series.
A reasonable fan is a hard thing to come by. I'm subscribing.
cormano64 1 year ago
Great analysis ConfusedMatthew!
jankazimierz 1 year ago
hilarious review, especially when you get pissed! spot on though
chechengangster 1 year ago
1:59 The kid was the same one that played young Jacob. which is stupid cuz.. it just doesnt make sance.
Elvacan585 1 year ago
wtf the numbers had to do with anything lol, they never explain it in details, since it was quite a good deal in earlier season
Zen09 1 year ago
@Zen09 The numbers where the number of candidates. 4.Locke 8.Hugo 15.James 16.Sayid 23.Jack 42.Kwon (Jin or Sun). There were 360 candidates, the "losties" were the last of them.
xsafa 1 year ago
Ben could kill widmore once Jacob died
callmebluesmana 1 year ago
I agree that this season was probably the weakest one. For some reason it also seemed like the cheapest too. I think the show was slipping a little into the workman like mindset and the magic and the scope from the start of the show was wearing out. However I liked the closure that the finale gave us. It was great that these characters got a chance to round off their stories. However I would have liked this season to be more like the start. More self contained like the first. Still, Lost rules
MikeRyu 1 year ago
it ended early because after season 3 when the season's ratings was going down, they said there would be 3 more to get ratings back up
woodsy1234567890 1 year ago
Nice review you guys had a lot of valid points changes my perspective of it a little but I thought the ending of the series was good not great but agree that as a season ending it was bad. season six really didn't go very far and they could have totally continued it for a few more seasons.
TheAdmirableAdmiral 1 year ago
I loved seasons1-5. couldn't stand this season.
TheDarkknightrules92 1 year ago
I LOVED seasons 1-5. couldn't stand this season.
itty69 1 year ago
You lost me when you said this is worse than St. Elsewhere. That was the worst ending ever.
harknights 1 year ago
the kid was young jacob
22predider 1 year ago
The blond kid was supposed to be a young version of Jacob. He was seen in "Across the Sea".
ShadowconLM14 1 year ago
With this show and Heroes gone, this was the end of thrilling serialized dramas. Heroes lost their way years ago, but Lost had the opportunity to make of the best finales ever and make the six year journey worth it. But they drop the ball! The bomb blowing up in the previous season would have made a better ending.
billyblueification 1 year ago
One thing they didn't explaine that i would have like to know is what the deal with the numbers was. It was a code for the machine in the hatch, but it apperantly alsow destroyed the life of hugo and sevaral people before him.
anonymepelle 1 year ago
seriously i really got the feeling this show was ending way to early and ironicly this show called supernatural had a season finale that would have been so much more statisfing if it were a series finale then this show was. mabye even one of the most statisfing seires finales i saw in a long time but it was actully a seasons finale seriously watch the episode
thewewguy8t88 1 year ago
the little kid was jacob as a kid althought idk why he was showing up.
thewewguy8t88 1 year ago
@PostITnoteGUY I agree it was very disappointed by it's ending. My friend, however, doesn't believe this to be.
Stingerbillion 1 year ago
Guys: one of your "issues" is very simple and was answered!! The blond kid running around was not a random, it was young jacob.
jc851 1 year ago
What I never understood is how the adoptive mother of Jacoba and the Man in Black told them they couldn't hurt each other. Yet twice in the episode, Jacob broke his brother's nose, and then killed him. WTF?
TheGameGuru1000 1 year ago
The Blonde kid was Jacob they even showed that it was the same actor in his episode.
thegreatSheldon 1 year ago
I also believe that if a show generates arguments all over youtube and IMDB like LOST is, it is a badly written show. No, I am not talking about constructive arguments that the amazing Sopranos finale generated, but the type of arguments that show me that there are many divisions between people about what the SHOW EVEN WAS ABOUT. That is BAD!!!.
I'm tired of commenting but I though confusedmatthew's comment section would be the best place to rant.
Gdanohrukrodmmtefce 1 year ago
I enjoyed the last episode and thought it hit a lot of good beats but I am very disappointed with the reveal about the flash-sideways. First of all because it was very predictable and many people saw it coming, but moreover, the writers broke their promise. They said that what happened in the flash-sideways was real and there were real stakes but in the end that's not true. It was a Jakob's Ladder-type death trip, and NOTHING was at stake. These people were already dead!
lotsapillarbiter 1 year ago
ok thats the only part of the finale i did not get, how and why are dead, i just doesn't make any sense, is it like their own personel little reality where they ujst chill and wait to "remember" and "leave" .............like WTF! (plz message me back with insight)
IRONdonkey217 1 year ago
@lotsapillarbiter I didn't predict it and neither did anyone else I know. The stakes were real. They all needed to find each other and move on.
MikeRyu 1 year ago
@MikeRyu The idea that the sideways world was some kind of an afterlife was a very popular theory among TV critics. When I say the stakes weren't real, what I mean is that when, for example, Sayid was in a gunfight with Keamy from the freighter, there was no real danger of Sayid being killed because he was already dead. That was kind of what I was afraid of when I was watching it. It's much more exciting to see characters in situations where you're able to believe they could actually get hurt.
lotsapillarbiter 1 year ago
@lotsapillarbiter That's true. I guess we just don't know what would have happened if one of the Losties was killed in that place. Keamy and Mikhail were afterall.
MikeRyu 1 year ago
Meh, the last HP book had it's flaws, lots of them, probably as many as Spider-man 3 had, but it had it's good parts that made up for it for me.
Sloth7d 1 year ago
That's what bugged was that what happened on the island never seemed to really have an affect on the outside world, so what was so important about protecting the island and keepin MIB on it? I didn't want it turn into a disaster movie but give the event some sort of gravitous.
larsreal9 1 year ago
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If you wanna see a bad ending to a series and a particularly bad last episode then go watch Battlestar Galactica, Compared to that Lost last season was pure gold.
Anacronian 1 year ago
The kid was Jacob,Matt,c'mon.
Adiorocks949 1 year ago
Twin Peaks is the only show that the ending didnt explained anything and still worked!
juniorgod321 1 year ago
Huge fan of the show and the ending....i can understand why you guys weren't fans of the finale...you guys are the only negative critique that has been worth listening too...too many people are posting horrible things about the finale and don't know what they are talking about but u guys do
snakeize1121 1 year ago
The ending of Roseanne. How about that stinker?
kranktank 1 year ago
meh understand it already series title "Lost" is not about characters of the show being lost but audience of the show being lost or not having a clue what is going on.
Mysio 1 year ago
a wizard did it Matthew, c'mom
JamesFnQuinn 1 year ago
@JamesFnQuinn "OF COURSE!!"
kranktank 1 year ago
yea didn't watch this show
toadenk 1 year ago
The reason Ben couldn't kill Widmore is because it was Jacob's rules... being Ben stabbed Jacob to death, the rules no longer stand.
WhySoSerious0331 1 year ago
The reason Desmond and Jack weren't harmed going down the cave was because Desmond went first and he has a "unique resistance to electro magnetism" as Widmore stated... something that happened to him when he detonated the Hatch in Season 2... when he drained the Cave the threat against Jack was gone as well.
WhySoSerious0331 1 year ago
They didn't turn into smoke monsters because the evil had been released and was manifested in Locke's body.
ozzian2000 1 year ago
I agree with most of what you said here, but I still like the final episode because it provided closure. It may not have been spectacular, or even functional according to you or stan, but it worked in the terms of the show, with moving on and the like. That and I bawled my eyes out, and I really don't want to back track on that.
moocow1452 1 year ago
The time travel explained so much, without spelling it out. It created a sense of destiny that didn't depend upon vague mysticism, and it was a great tool for seeing the island's history.
It was also a great sc-fi idea. I would consider it one of the triumphs of the show, and I disagree when you say it should have been shelved.
vivthefree 1 year ago
@vivthefree I liked the time travel season a lot. I wasn't saying it should have been done away with, I was just saying that they could have made this a season or two shorter if it meant giving us a better ending.
confusedmatthew 1 year ago
@confusedmatthew Ah, okay. Agreed. They could have cut out much from seasons 2 and 3. And definitely 6!
vivthefree 1 year ago
@confusedmatthew I thought that Dallas had a terrible series finale. It was all a Dream?
OldSchoolGamer1203 1 year ago
I think at some point the creators decided that they had painted themselves into a corner, and they could never please their core audience of left-brained thinkers, so they slowly turned Lost into a character-driven soap opera. Not to be sexist, but I think it is telling that most of the people who enjoyed the finale are women.
lemonrind 1 year ago
wow, i'm actually kind of surprised you guys didn't love this episode. i dont think the finale should have explained everything, it just keeps those things open to interpretation and the experience more mysterious. and concerning the characters, the entire finale was devoted to character studies, so i don't understand how you can say the finale had nothing to do with the characters like the first season. oh well, even though i don't at all agree with you, i'm sorry you didn't like the finale.
BatOtaku13 1 year ago
concerning the women, the others had been infertile for years and got juliet to help solve it. also, that explains why they were stealing babies.
BatOtaku13 1 year ago
One thing that really bugged me on the whole was that every character, back story and plotline that came out of the tail end saviours was irrelevant and just didnt need to happen in order for the show to get to the point it got to in The End. They all died and contributed nothing of great value.
micronoid 1 year ago
The blond kid was Jacob.
Invincible5972 1 year ago
6:27 #LOL awe fuck no it wasn't...
MjoelH 1 year ago
I loved how the colors just went gray when they pulled the cork out. I wish the whole episode looked like that (with the rain too).
NorvenLeverone 1 year ago
You never heard of bentham and find him uninteresting? My inner utalitarian is disappoint.
unassumption 1 year ago
I don't think I agree with your comment on Quantum leap's finale. I mean I know the show was cancelled and while it was sad to see that Sam didn't make it back home but also at the same time based on the conversation between him and that bartender it seemed to suggest as I remember that what Sam wanted the most deep down was to help others so as long as he was still doing that I was satisfied.
mummra4ever 1 year ago 2
I haven't actually watched Lost for a long while now but from the sound of it you should have watched the "Ashes to ashes" finale instead. As that series managed to answer the questions clearly and satisfying from both that series and it's predecessor with some good character moments as well.
mummra4ever 1 year ago 2
The only two questions I can really answer based on what the show has actually shown are: The blonde kid was kid-jacob because... um... yeah. And the smoke monster (according to Jacob) would have basically destroyed the world. Somehow. Anyway, great review as always.
WhatWeMakeProduction 1 year ago
The little blond kid was Jacob as a boy. He apparently can make himself appear as both an adult and a child.
I've heard rumblings and talks of a novelized version that supposed to explore more things in detail, also a possible movie with the whole cast returning to help explain everything.
BTW, what ever happend to the black horse that Kate saw? Did that have any significance? And why didn't they bring back Eko for the final afterlife reunion?
FlowCell 1 year ago
@FlowCell I thought that at first too. But at one point, the blond kid said to Smokey "you know the rules, you can't kill him". If he had been Jacob, he should have said "you know the rules, you can't kill ME".
confusedmatthew 1 year ago
@confusedmatthew If that's so, then why did they use the same actor? I'll just chalk it up to rushed scripting.
FlowCell 1 year ago
@confusedmatthew The kid was refering to Sawyer at that time
Andybi0tics 1 year ago
@confusedmatthew No, the boy was talking about Sawyer. He couldn't kill Sawyer because he was a candidate. Jacob was already dead. MiB couldn't kill Jacob, so he manipulated Ben into doing it. The blonde kid is Jacob, he even asks Hurley for his ashes.
vivthefree 1 year ago
@confusedmatthew He was referring to Sawyer when he said 'him'
WhySoSerious0331 1 year ago
@WhySoSerious0331 Yup. I just went back and watched the scene. You're right.
confusedmatthew 1 year ago
@confusedmatthew That was young Jacob. When he said "you can't kill him" he was probably referring to one of the candidates (I'm guessing Sawyer since that episode was about Smokey trying to turn Sawyer).
triggerhappypacifist 1 year ago
@confusedmatthew welll he can't kill them either, thats why he needed Ben to kill them.
MikeGoard 1 year ago
@confusedmatthew another interpretation of "you can't kill him" is that Smokey could not directly kill the candidates and must use the same indirect tactics that resulted in Jacob's death
tubastar08 1 year ago
@confusedmatthew he was referring to Desmond.
win2mid 1 year ago
@confusedmatthew
Nah, he was dead already... looks like he couldn't kill the candidates, either, and then Jacob took the ashes from Hurley... and became adult.
Now, of course it doesn't matter who was who, as the only criterion counting is that the writing sucked donkey ass... it was Jacob boy... could've been his (adoptive) grand dad, as well.
I could've been anyone, the substance of this "plot element" would still be zero.
twooffour 1 year ago
@confusedmatthew
Hey, do you think that maybe the whole show was basically a giant piss?
First, they just throw in random mystery themes like soothsaying, faith healing, luck, ghosts/apparitions and channeling and borrow prominent names from philosophers and scientists without any significance at all, they include overdone clichés like "this child is special", the nut house loony with deep, vital insight and the obligatory "schisophrenic episode" - without any aftermath as expected -
twooffour 1 year ago
- then all of a sudden they include FUCKING TIME TRAVEL (which is interesting at first when the "time barrier" surrounding the island is introduced, but becomes plain laughable and incoherent as soon as they start jumping through time and accurately landing at dramaturgically points in time AND place) and have two "sarcastic characters" basically shattering the fourth wall by arguing over temporal paradoxa and their respective supernatural skills like a parody of discussions nerd fanbois...
twooffour 1 year ago
*in* an obvious parody*
... tend to have over similar sci-fi plot devices which are all, at the end of day, made up of thin air and often don't extend farther than a single episode if it's a TV show (like the "subspace alien inductions" in TNG) - with these two, ironically, lacking any explanation, relevance, resolution or substance as well.
Now while in Star Trek or superhero universes, you kinda accept all kinds of crazy, poorly thought-out and contradictory ideas shoven into single...
twooffour 1 year ago
.... episodes as fitting the general premise somewhat, somehow (space, dimensions, other secies and advanced technology / kryptonite and aliens /ghosts, monsters and afterlife = everything goes) and don't ask questions, Lost always suggested some sort of "grand unified theory" behind every mystery and the sheer incoherence of the various mysteries and plot devices thrown in (in a sense really culminating in Miles' and Hurley's contradictory and totally unexplained "medium" abilities not only...
twooffour 1 year ago
... demonstrated in the same episodes but even discussed between them) suddenly becomes so painfully present.
The time travel idea (that just suddenly appeared to somehow fit into this "grand mystery") disappeared as suddenly as it arised, leaving no impact whatsoever - and once again, they shatter the fourth wall to make sure the viewer doesn't overlook the ineptitude.
Then Hurley... he should've been there in the Hammer when Roland was barking at Neo... "hey dude... did someone notice?..
twooffour 1 year ago
... there were just sentinels trying to kill us... and then Neo just destroyed them... and they were gone" - Roland stares out of the window, ignores him.
After suffering through this cheap suspense device of characters understanding each other on half-sentence and never asking questions (or asking again after being ignored) when the authors want to keep the tension up, moments like these are fucking brilliance.
Then, after subtly inquiring about the complex mysteries of life early on...
twooffour 1 year ago
... what they end up with is simplistic straight-in-your-face fairytale "answers" to the complex questions raised partially derived from real life (less so the smoke monster, but for example the "fateful" lives of the passengers prior to the crash were explained away by "Jacob did it") just in the style of the Book of Genesis which ultimately just create more problems than they solve, and don't do justice to the complexity of the question raised by far.
Reminds you of anything?
twooffour 1 year ago
Who created the creator? "The light in the cave did it."
Everything happened for a reason - but not a grand mysterious one, but a trivial cop-out the characters were all chess figures in the grand masterplan of Satan and Jesus (hey, he does have a beard), and where they come from? From that crazy woman who killed that mother, who happened to have two babies... she "made it so" that they don't hurt each other.
Seems like a giant piss on simple-minded religious dogma which just...
twooffour 1 year ago
... seems to give the "ultimate answers how all came to be), but on second look, don't do shit and just look like easy cop-outs.
Then the afterlife twist shreds to pieces simultaneously the time hovering time paradoxon question, AND the afterlife mystery that's been going on since the beginning.
All the ghosts, and dream apparitions, and Sawyer channeling Kate's dad - nvm, they probably entered the light and THEN appeared as ghosts. Solved.
twooffour 1 year ago
Whether intentional or not (I guess a little bit of the former, but generally not as the script is still full of slop and holes no matter what), the message Lost sends seems clear to me:
Let's all quit getting all crazy about mystery and sci-fi stuff - it's all made up from the head and disappears in a puff of smoke as soon as it ends.
So how about we grow some skeptism, stop wasting our times with myths and fairytales and go study some science instead...
I approve of this message ;)
twooffour 1 year ago
@FlowCell Eko's actor demanded five times his paycheck, so apparently he got kicked out of Heaven.
moocow1452 1 year ago
@FlowCell the black horse that kate saw was something that must have died on the island because it was the black smoke because the black smoke can turn into anything on the island that is dead
holyass242 1 year ago
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AcidEinstein 1 year ago
@FlowCell The guy who played Eko refused the offer to appear.
QCIC56 1 year ago
@FlowCell they couldn't get the actor who played eko to come back because he wanted 5 times the pay that was offered.
americanfreak23 1 year ago
quantom leap had an ending I disagreed with - but I didnt hate.
The wonderyears ending I hated.
shedininja001 1 year ago
1 Syeed, evil turns good.
2 Kid was Jacob.
3 they were not thrown in, they walked in, one of them is immune - the other has a job to do.
4 since light was off when smokey was about to leave, island would die, along with everyone else. (but since he didnt leave its ok)
Other questions... i dont know. The jorney is more inporant then the end.
shedininja001 1 year ago
wait for the dvd or bluray, there are alot of scenes they had to cut out inorder to adhere to the tilme limit.
whatevera 1 year ago
Walt
purduewilly 1 year ago
@purduewilly Exactly, what was the point of Walt, and why did he and some of the other characters have special powers? Desmond could withstand super powerful electromagnetic fields, Hurley could see the dead and Chang could tell what a person was thinking when they died.
FlowCell 1 year ago
@FlowCell lol, Chang?
BuySomethingWillYa 1 year ago
@BuySomethingWillYa The son of Dr. Pierre Chang. I forget his name.
FlowCell 1 year ago
I'm on the autism spectrum, just trowing it out there...
Killermike2178 1 year ago
@Killermike2178 Once again, hooray for typos!
Killermike2178 1 year ago
For thefull review, I completely agree.
scionlightning 1 year ago
Erm... is this supposed to say "series finale"?
PumpkinDave 1 year ago
@PumpkinDave Hooray for typos!
Killermike2178 1 year ago
@Killermike2178 I thought the title meant he was "finally" going to review the whole six seasons! Which would have been a lot to cover in 20 minutes!
PumpkinDave 1 year ago
@PumpkinDave Indeed, thank you. What a silly mistake.
confusedmatthew 1 year ago
While I admit it was a little disappointing, I still disagree....
This finale had so many touching heartfelt moments that had me in tears; you can't deny it. I just don't understand why the ending had to be "afterlife" and not just an alternate true reality?? (And that's coming from a christian)
I loved this show and I'm so sad to see it go, but they sure did some incredible things with this final season that are unforgettable...
tyaussi 1 year ago
A show that has over stayed it's welcome: "Smallville"
Still a good show, but my God, WHEN WILL IT END?!?!? (rhetorical question)
SpazzMaster8705 1 year ago
@SpazzMaster8705 I've been wondering that about The Simpsons for a couple of years now. It is a show that should die because it became the very thing it used to make fun of!
FlowCell 1 year ago
@SpazzMaster8705 Funny you should say that, because they recently made it official that Smallville will end after it's upcoming 10th season. Oh and by the way, you're completely wrong. Smallville is not a good show; it used to be, but now it's a piss awful, lazily written bastardization of the Superman myth, and it hasn't been good since it's 3rd season.
keysersoze5 1 year ago
@keysersoze5 True, but thank God it's almost over.
SpazzMaster8705 1 year ago