If I had extra $ I could buy some land to farm. I'd have somewhere to go and could plan several routes to that location with possible locals that would suffice as staging points to my end destination. Nice to have a back up plan and if possible an escape route. I love my PF9, 870, will eventually get Glocks with the sub2k as a system and now I'm sold on the SU-16c. I would like to get some other toys but they would come when I got the land.
Hey Nutn. Great review. My POU is home defense in an urban enviro. I'm not military and wont be able to train myself to that point. So I need to have high value simple/intuitive weapons/equip (light/compact easily taken care of and easily able train others to use and take care of if necessary) along with ammo/food storage in my basement. Bc of my enviro, it would look funny trying to dig a hole in someone's back yard to store food/guns/ammo.LOL. So I feel like you're looking our for me.
I think Kel Tec knew who you were after the first 45 minutes of the phone conversation with them :D
Just joshing; big fan here! Great review btw, I wish they all were as long and as detailed, though I suppose you wouldn't have time to eat if they were.
I would LOVE to seen a compleatly modular su-16 that would allow the user to build their own rifle via a list of options when they order it...a 5.35x39 "C" would be BOSS! I would love if if magpul would have a x39 ma developed.
@CPLBSS88 Well I have yet to even hear of a "5.35x39" but if you meant 5.45x39mm then I completely agree, we need more 5.45x39mm chambered rifles up hear in Canada, the Par 3 is coming but it cost well over $2500 so more polymer rifles that don't break the $1000 mark is a great thing up hear,
Shame our stupid government and RCMP for banning the Kalashnikov action.
You know, I don't think we give Kel Tec enough credit for what they are doing with their excellent rifles, e.g. AR-15 based ergonomics, reliability and accuracy in a 4.5 lb. gun! I own an SU-22 (as a tactical trainer/ergo's) and I am definitely looking to get the SU-16 as my tactical carbine of choice (e.g. as opposed to an AR or AK platform) Imagine the SU in a 7.62 x 39 chambering! I agree with Nutnfancy in that the company is pressing on with their own designs and sense of value: charming gun
wal mart tasco red dot ive really enjoy their performance not the smallest dot tho 40 dollars just checked 2 days ago make sure you get the one rated to 12 gauge
Hey Nutnfancy, sorry to be nitpicking but you say at 13:12 that an aimpoint in "parallax free".
Hell there is no way for it to be possible. I know many red dot companies advertise their product to be "parallax free" but it simply is a lie or bad wording. It is physically impossible. I was preparing an article about it.
Most red dots have their parallax set to 50-100 metres. Which means that under that distance the dot moves "too fast" and above "too slow" to be dead on parallax free accurate.
i would like to see a 7.62x51mm NATO / .308 version with a 20in barrel. Even if its $200 more than the SU16 currently is, I'd acquire the SU16C and a 7.62x51mm in CA trim.
I clean my SU-16 from chamber to muzzle (somewhat contradicting nutnfancy here) by using an Otis cleaning cable and a pistol length .22 brush. I wrap a patch around the brush, so it's very easy. No patch pullers or swapping between a patch puller and brush. The SU-16 is fairly tight chambered for accuracy. It's important to keep the chamber clean to avoid extraction problems. I use a 9mm brush to clean the chamber. That's very important if you shoot steel case ammo against Kel-Tec's advice.
I just got my SU-16C last week. My YHM 5C2 suppressor arrived over the weekend.
I had a question on your installation. When I hand tighten the suppressor up to the crush nut, I have another 3/4 of a turn to get the non-opened area to be at the 6 o'clock position. I am a little leery to try and turn it another 270 degrees. I sure don't want to screw up the threaded barrel. Did you have the same situation?
Nutnfancy, you reference a single point sling from Kel-Tec. The one on their website is part number SU16-901. It does not appear as a single point sling so I called up Kel-Tec and they had no idea if this could be used as a single point sling. Is this the same sling that you received from Kel-Tec???? Please advise....
I have been doing research on the company for about six months.All I can say is that they are a great company and the are a American company.And another thing if you noticed that the P-11 and the P-9 are kinda hard to find lately.Wonder why?I have finally made a choice into the SU16C for a great reason Money and they have seemed to be reliable from all that I hear.So the company has sold me on them.My next one is the P-11 but I will get the SU16C around FEB.And thanks for the info NTF.
have had mine for a few months now. i have put about 1500 rounds through it. it has been, in wa state, from desert, to ocean, to alpine. it has been cold, wet, dry, etc etc. and this thing never seems to fail you. almost always it is packed in due to the how little it weighs...accuracy is all about sighting it in to you, but will say this gun does everything that it should do, even when you know it should be cleaned but you haven't.great gun and thanks for the spot on review
have had mine for a few months now. i have put about 1500 rounds through it. it has been, in wa state, from desert, to ocean, to alpine. it has been cold, wet, dry, etc etc. and this thing never seems to fail you. almost always it is packed in due to the how little it weighs...accuracy is all about sighting it in to you, but will say this gun does everything that it should do, even when you know it should be cleaned but you haven't.great gun and thanks for the spot on review
@frankgon4 I just got mine from budsguns, google em. There site bugged on me, but a rep called me the next day to solve the issue and get my gun shipped to me :]
I am not a gun person, not even American, but from what i have learnt your gov't is coming for you and they are trying to disarm you. I agree every American should own a gun for protection then maybe some of you can band together when the shit hits the fan.
@DoYouThinkForUrselF You're misinformed. It's the rich, ruling class that is trying to turn us into serfs, and they're winning too. Agree with you on gun ownership.
Love the clint eastwood western music at the end. Thanks for the review on the SU-16, I was having lots of dilemas with trying to decide on what to get as my 1st rifle, and Cost being the main concern is making me lean towards the Kel Tec su16 platform. Ive been on some forums and watched alot of vids, for info on AR's, AK's, SKS's and so and so forth. but as for a all around POU rifle, Mainly home and family def. and maybe hunting that one is looking up too me.
@fattyrackle I have a SU-16A and I believe the A model and CA model share the same stock, and I can only fit one 30 round mag in my stock. As far as 20 round mags I wouldnt know.
Also would really like to see a tear down of a Su-16 on this channel. Im new to the gun world with my SU-16 being my first rifle (I have read the manual but man its a little bit confusing for a newbie)
I'm thinking about getting an su-16ca model, the one with the room for two more mags in the stock. I was wondering if anyone knew if you could stick two thirty rounders in there instead of just the ten rounders. That'd be awesome if it did, that would mean a ninety round capable rifle. Please reply.
first i have to say thanks you help me talk my mom into my first gun last year and second the kel tec SU 16C i a boss i have it shooting so well, a gruping of 1/4 an inch at 100 amazing accuracy
well after watching these vids i decided to get this gun next. My only question really is can i use 223 ammo in it or do i have to use 5.56 nato also where do u get 5.56 and how much do they normally cost.
The Kel-Tec SU-16C will most likely be my next rifle. I'm Loving what Kel-Tec is doing with all of there firearms. Thank you nutnfancy for all the info and hard work.
I like how you put on the polymer rail. It's nice to be able to keep the stock grips and still have a tactical light. Was it hard to get level? I was thinking of using a clamp on tri-rail for a flashlight and a bi-pod (or vertical grip).
250 rounds in mine so far without a hickup. I love everything other than how the stock bites into you a bit. I considered the ar stock..but the folding capability is so good to have that I think I will keep it. Slapped a cheap $35 tasco red dot from walmart on there..and and happy with it. I really see no reason to dump hundreds on a scope that does little more. FYI..I used an eotech on it first which was sweet..but not so much better that it justified the cost.
I liked the POU of the SU-16C (lightweight tactical) but as much as I liked the SU-16C folding stock, it had a bit too little torsional rigidity for me. Not bad, but I fell in love with the AR-15-ish feel, best of AR and AK. Definitely a different POU.
My Charlie stock went on my SU-22! Sweet!
I also had to shim my scope to get enough elevation.
If you're serious about gun rights, join the GOA, not the NRA.
It's not often that this happens in a nutnfancy review, but since the SU-16 weighs almost 2lbs less than the Mini-14 and the CA model holds extra mags in the stock (two 10rnd, one 30rnd) in the stock, that seems to give it a mobility *and* firepower advantage over the Mini-14! Awesome review, awesome rifle!
if u put the ar stock and for end on it will it b just as light b cuz i want to buy the ruger sr556 cuz its piston but i dont have that kind of cash. so i wana buy this and have the ar style im comfortable with
Thanks for the review. I have a Bravo which I found used. Since I have had it I fired about 1000 rounds. Maybe jammed only once or twice. Wolf Ammo OK!
dont lie Nutin u used to skate huh? i see how well u cut that griptape...... haha .. i think i might try that out ..... it looks real comfortable .. i skated alot as as a kid &teenager myself ... &football
Does anyone have any info on the sling he refers to in this vid? I dont see the sling he refers to on the KelTec website with the quick release shown in the vid. He annotates that 'with folding stock, single point sling attachment is a little tougher' Any one have any info on this sling system?
When I was three years old, 3 guys on PCP viciously tried to break into my home. It took cops 45 minutes to get to my house. Our german shepherd was the only thing keeping them away from the door, that was being held shut by my parents' legs. I did not live in a bad area, actually one of the most affluent neighborhoods in Los Angeles. It goes to show you how important home protection is.
I still live in California. Can I buy this rifle (maybe in separate pieces, so its not deemed assault?
Tactteam, Kel-Tec makes a SU16-CA, which is essentially an identical rifle/carbine to the C model with one exception.... The rifle comes with the "A" model stock.... a non-folding type. Well actually it will fold down, but only after removing a pin. In my opinion I actually like the "A" stock better because it allows for two magazines to be stowed in the underside of it. Aside from that- it has the thicker barrel and better sights etc etc that Nutnfancy mentions... hope this helped..?
@tactteam00 yes you can buy this rifle! Just not the C version because when folded it can fire and thats too short for CA. I have the Bravo and I love it. And i live in Los Angeles.
My experience from the SU-16B has been nothing but great. I love the fact that I can hold two ten round mags in the butt stock but I can't fire it when it is folded. I have a few hundred rounds through it and it has not failed to fire once. When I first got it I cocked the handle back and it has a very weird plastic on plastic feel. I didn't think that it would be all that great but alas, I was wrong. For weight and what it is capable of, it is quite amazing.
Is there any way to replace the recoil-spring tube mounted front sight with something at the end of the barrel to increase the sight radius? I don't understand why they put it there in the first place.
I think that they placed it there to not have it knocked off center or damaged. Like the SU-16A has the plastic front sight on the barrel. They placed the sight back more to protect it when backpacking and as a truck gun.
@nutnfancy I tried to explain to a digital watch wearing friend of mine how much women hate them on men. Finally one of his girlfriends bought him a decent watch! LOL
I found that using the Outers gun cleaning kit that cleaning this unit is easy. Tearing it down isn't hard at all after ya do it a couple times. Found a guy on youtube that shows how it's done. Good weapon. Outers kit is small and easy to pack. Handles many calibers too.
Excellent videos dude! I think this is going to be the rifle I'm going with. Although it'll have to be the CA because I live in Ridiculous Land (california). Thanks for the info!
Fantastic series of reviews. I like the SU-16C, but I think I'm going to go for the SU-16CA. I like the full stock and the magazine storage in the stock.
I just got the SU-16 Alpha and I am confident I made the right decision buying this as my first rifle, especially after seeing these videos. I live in upstate NY, so I went with the A model because it can't fire in the collapsed position (making it legal). I got it for $535 after tax. I would recommend getting the 'Bravo' metal sights from Kel Tec to replace the plastic ones that come stock. Nutnfancy mentions the plastic on the A model in part 1... or get a scope :)
I originally was lusting after the Alpha model, but I don't like the thin barrel. For me, the Charlie sights and barrel are ideal. I was thinking of getting a Barska Electroscope or something similar. Thanks.
Nutn, I almost never comment on these post, BUT after watching this, DUDE you rock! I am going to have to go get one of these now, the wife said "Thanks". Don't worry about what the critics are saying just keep doing your thing the way you do it. You have some of the most informative well thought out and put together videos out there. I look forward to each & every one no matter the subject. GREAT JOB!!
Just bought myself one for Xmas. $634.00 after taxes. Called Impact guns in Ogden Utah and they had two in stock. Gonna pick it up saturday. Can't wait to get it home and start breaking it in Thanx for the good info Nutinfancy. Gonna get me another carry conceal like perhaps a PF9. Might even get one for my girlfriend. Oh by the way Nutinfancy, that mountian in the background looks like somewhere I've been before.
@coal4life Got it. Love it. Tried Remington .223 and some 556 amo in it so far and never had any problems. Got some 30 round clips coming in along with some more ammo. Can't get enough time to get out there and do some more plinking right now but when my some comes to visit we're gonna get it dialed in and make some holes.
Good job ntn!!! lv the video very informative!! I wud lv to hv an ar 15 but gun enthusiast in CA cant be choosers. This is the closest I can get to an ar unless I leave this heavenly state!!!!
Kel-Tecs quality control is terrible. My dad ordered a 9mm that took 3 months to get in. Once he did get it he realized that the barrel didnt have rifling.
Were in our Constitution does it say We the People must subject ourselves to UnConstitutional regulations or permits.. those notions come directly from England who RULE over their subjects! Wake up sheeple... your free,, be free. defend your freedom with deadly force.
You shouldn't waste your time. People that actually understand freedom are few and far between, people that understand the Constitution are few and far between; people that can correctly interpret Constitutional law hardly even exist - and no one understands stare decisis, or organic law.
People don't want true freedom, they just want to be comfortable. True freedom requires sacrifice, and bloodshed. People are afraid of blood now.
Well the law you abide by determines your sheeple status! The one our founders and servicemen fought and died for; the Constitution? or the one the suits in Washington think they had any power to script into a "law";. local federal mandates...
Are you trying to be a moron? Freedom does not mean you can violate other peoples rights or act unsafe how foolish is your reasoning. I never mentioned doing crime either! What -r- u- smoking? Is it a crime to assert your true freedom and your true rights over and above the real illegal laws? grow up and wake your are a sheeple 100%
"Freedom does not mean you can violate other peoples rights or act unsafe how foolish is your reasoning. "
libs agree but there reasoning is that proliferation of full autos, explosives etc etc is unsafe, so they justify their POV with the same reasoning
I say it's illegal because if you get caught you will serve jail time, if you want to practice civil disobedience than that's a personal choice that you made but don't act like a fifth grader and name-call those who have a different pov
Its not civil disobedience, if your RIGHT and "they" are wrong.You may already now that anyone in government who acts contrary to the Constitution is in fact the criminal , so who is the disobedient one?
saying they are wrong is like saying "they are wrong" when your favorite color is blue and some other people favorite color is red. no one is wrong, it's a personal fucking choice.
I'll say it again; I never promoted any gun control law, I stated that something exist, don't be a little kid and think that if you ignore something it's doesn't exist, whether you agree with something or not does not change the fact that it exists
RCW 9.41.225 (one gun control law)
"not according to or authorized by law" m-w definition of illegal
the fact that you have one definition for something other than the mainstream definition does not make you superior and everyone will a sheeple
You should review the Kel-Tec Sub-2000. It can use the Glock 17 mags in 9mm or the G22's in .40 S&W. Really nice to have a folding carbine as a back-up that utilizes the same mags as your side arm.
Based on your review, I purchased an Su-16C and have to tell you I have no regrets. Thank you for an awesome review. I've added a Micor flash suppressor and a lighted reticle 3-9 sniper scope by NcStar and I love the whole package. Thanks!
If they do I'm sold on the gun. On the website they ask you take a survey and one of the questions is if you would like to an M4 style collapsible stock on the SU so maybe it's in the works.
OK, today 19 Aug '09 I handled a SU-16, (not the 16C) for the first time. I was very impressed, especially with the weight and the fact the asking price was $499.99. Now that I have seen the three videos, I am SOLD. I also have a mini-14 by the way, which turned out (I found out after I bought it) to be the NRA version. Good gun, but this SU-16 has me very intriqued. Now, which sight to use? Hmmmmm.
If I had extra $ I could buy some land to farm. I'd have somewhere to go and could plan several routes to that location with possible locals that would suffice as staging points to my end destination. Nice to have a back up plan and if possible an escape route. I love my PF9, 870, will eventually get Glocks with the sub2k as a system and now I'm sold on the SU-16c. I would like to get some other toys but they would come when I got the land.
slwslw09 1 month ago
Hey Nutn. Great review. My POU is home defense in an urban enviro. I'm not military and wont be able to train myself to that point. So I need to have high value simple/intuitive weapons/equip (light/compact easily taken care of and easily able train others to use and take care of if necessary) along with ammo/food storage in my basement. Bc of my enviro, it would look funny trying to dig a hole in someone's back yard to store food/guns/ammo.LOL. So I feel like you're looking our for me.
slwslw09 1 month ago
I think Kel Tec knew who you were after the first 45 minutes of the phone conversation with them :D
Just joshing; big fan here! Great review btw, I wish they all were as long and as detailed, though I suppose you wouldn't have time to eat if they were.
Keep up the great work!!!
sryth1 1 month ago in playlist Su-16c Featherweight Firepower by Nutnfancy 1 - 3
@sryth1 Hilarious comment regarding "who you were after the first 45 minutes of the phone conversation!" Haha!
Great video as usual Nutnfancy!
jonspoke 1 month ago
Love my SU16c its so light..all the weight is in the barrel.
onebigkahuna69 1 month ago
I would LOVE to seen a compleatly modular su-16 that would allow the user to build their own rifle via a list of options when they order it...a 5.35x39 "C" would be BOSS! I would love if if magpul would have a x39 ma developed.
CPLBSS88 3 months ago
@CPLBSS88 Well I have yet to even hear of a "5.35x39" but if you meant 5.45x39mm then I completely agree, we need more 5.45x39mm chambered rifles up hear in Canada, the Par 3 is coming but it cost well over $2500 so more polymer rifles that don't break the $1000 mark is a great thing up hear,
Shame our stupid government and RCMP for banning the Kalashnikov action.
pickinthatbanjo 2 months ago
id like to see 410 or 357 mag
codybrady100 4 months ago
That's a lot of info to know.
SuperRip7 4 months ago
You know, I don't think we give Kel Tec enough credit for what they are doing with their excellent rifles, e.g. AR-15 based ergonomics, reliability and accuracy in a 4.5 lb. gun! I own an SU-22 (as a tactical trainer/ergo's) and I am definitely looking to get the SU-16 as my tactical carbine of choice (e.g. as opposed to an AR or AK platform) Imagine the SU in a 7.62 x 39 chambering! I agree with Nutnfancy in that the company is pressing on with their own designs and sense of value: charming gun
mpuno888 5 months ago 3
SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME-----What kind of single point sling/attachment is that??? Please let me know. I can't find one anywhere.
RockerRocco1 5 months ago
Which has a better trigger, the Mini 14 or the Kel Tec?
Thejoyofdriving1 5 months ago
wal mart tasco red dot ive really enjoy their performance not the smallest dot tho 40 dollars just checked 2 days ago make sure you get the one rated to 12 gauge
gqixkaes 5 months ago
you need to post a video on how you break it down and lube it for the new owners
boomaster24 6 months ago
Hey Nutnfancy, sorry to be nitpicking but you say at 13:12 that an aimpoint in "parallax free".
Hell there is no way for it to be possible. I know many red dot companies advertise their product to be "parallax free" but it simply is a lie or bad wording. It is physically impossible. I was preparing an article about it.
Most red dots have their parallax set to 50-100 metres. Which means that under that distance the dot moves "too fast" and above "too slow" to be dead on parallax free accurate.
niksarass 7 months ago
i would like to see a 7.62x51mm NATO / .308 version with a 20in barrel. Even if its $200 more than the SU16 currently is, I'd acquire the SU16C and a 7.62x51mm in CA trim.
he1lr1ser 9 months ago
does the SU-16c have a Chrome-lined barrel now?
jumpingmustang08 9 months ago
@jumpingmustang08 Yes. Check the company website.
barccy 8 months ago
I clean my SU-16 from chamber to muzzle (somewhat contradicting nutnfancy here) by using an Otis cleaning cable and a pistol length .22 brush. I wrap a patch around the brush, so it's very easy. No patch pullers or swapping between a patch puller and brush. The SU-16 is fairly tight chambered for accuracy. It's important to keep the chamber clean to avoid extraction problems. I use a 9mm brush to clean the chamber. That's very important if you shoot steel case ammo against Kel-Tec's advice.
Liberty4Ever 10 months ago
Can I borrow your watch? I have a math test tomorrow.
noblinger 10 months ago 6
Thanks I like the detail you give. You put a lot of time in this.
QDude72 10 months ago
My dad was happy today when I told him that I intend to buy either an SU16C or an AK74 next year, when I am old enough.
Thanks Nutn, you helped me understand that, in the right hands, firearms can contribute to a healthier society.
Now, if you could help me decide between the 5.56 and the 5.45... ;)
s11033 10 months ago
I want this gun so bad. I hate California's gun laws!!!
SigmaChiPatriot 10 months ago
Hey Nutn,
I just got my SU-16C last week. My YHM 5C2 suppressor arrived over the weekend.
I had a question on your installation. When I hand tighten the suppressor up to the crush nut, I have another 3/4 of a turn to get the non-opened area to be at the 6 o'clock position. I am a little leery to try and turn it another 270 degrees. I sure don't want to screw up the threaded barrel. Did you have the same situation?
Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.
yyzcam 11 months ago
@yyzcam The Kel-Tec SU and PLR need either two crush washers or a jam nut. The shoulder is set back a bit farther than on an AR.
Liberty4Ever 10 months ago
9:22, thats called a snare hit... not a drum roll. love the video though!
Dudeman9339 11 months ago
heya nutn, big fan. does that stock unfold while the magazine is in it? it doesnt seem like it would and that too me would be a disadvantage
Dudeman9339 11 months ago
I have one of these and love it. Only thing is I have reliability issues with the C mags.
nobearsyet 11 months ago
Is the magazine interchangeable with an AR?
neanderthor66 1 year ago
@neanderthor66 yes
frankgon4 11 months ago
You musta been on suicide watch from 1994-2004
VinnyS914 1 year ago
Nutnfancy, you reference a single point sling from Kel-Tec. The one on their website is part number SU16-901. It does not appear as a single point sling so I called up Kel-Tec and they had no idea if this could be used as a single point sling. Is this the same sling that you received from Kel-Tec???? Please advise....
rbelena 1 year ago
I have been doing research on the company for about six months.All I can say is that they are a great company and the are a American company.And another thing if you noticed that the P-11 and the P-9 are kinda hard to find lately.Wonder why?I have finally made a choice into the SU16C for a great reason Money and they have seemed to be reliable from all that I hear.So the company has sold me on them.My next one is the P-11 but I will get the SU16C around FEB.And thanks for the info NTF.
1winkaz 1 year ago
have had mine for a few months now. i have put about 1500 rounds through it. it has been, in wa state, from desert, to ocean, to alpine. it has been cold, wet, dry, etc etc. and this thing never seems to fail you. almost always it is packed in due to the how little it weighs...accuracy is all about sighting it in to you, but will say this gun does everything that it should do, even when you know it should be cleaned but you haven't.great gun and thanks for the spot on review
nightwriter234 1 year ago
have had mine for a few months now. i have put about 1500 rounds through it. it has been, in wa state, from desert, to ocean, to alpine. it has been cold, wet, dry, etc etc. and this thing never seems to fail you. almost always it is packed in due to the how little it weighs...accuracy is all about sighting it in to you, but will say this gun does everything that it should do, even when you know it should be cleaned but you haven't.great gun and thanks for the spot on review
nightwriter234 1 year ago
Who'd have thought it was that complicated to kill someone?
JamesMulvale 1 year ago
Any new information on reliability?
I am seriously looking at this rifle for purchase.
frankgon4 1 year ago
@frankgon4 I just got mine from budsguns, google em. There site bugged on me, but a rep called me the next day to solve the issue and get my gun shipped to me :]
ashkaji 3 months ago
I am not a gun person, not even American, but from what i have learnt your gov't is coming for you and they are trying to disarm you. I agree every American should own a gun for protection then maybe some of you can band together when the shit hits the fan.
DoYouThinkForUrselF 1 year ago
@DoYouThinkForUrselF You're misinformed. It's the rich, ruling class that is trying to turn us into serfs, and they're winning too. Agree with you on gun ownership.
Deep13Deep13Deep13 1 year ago
currently nutn the su16 is about 450 where i live
spartansfan5 1 year ago
@spartansfan5 Where? The lowest I have seen it for $535
frankgon4 1 year ago
@frankgon4 hey man get one google products and search kel tec su 16 and just check the options some where bout 458 450 etc
spartansfan5 1 year ago
mmm PLR16 + Beta mag!!!!!
I wish I lived in a free state! would keep that above setup in my Vehicle ( :
Kool thing is I can keep high cap build kits in storage for darker days.
QUESTED 1 year ago
ran 400 rounds through mine all factory reloads and did not experience break in issues, flawless fire every time.
ericspinball 1 year ago
Love the clint eastwood western music at the end. Thanks for the review on the SU-16, I was having lots of dilemas with trying to decide on what to get as my 1st rifle, and Cost being the main concern is making me lean towards the Kel Tec su16 platform. Ive been on some forums and watched alot of vids, for info on AR's, AK's, SKS's and so and so forth. but as for a all around POU rifle, Mainly home and family def. and maybe hunting that one is looking up too me.
Eaks2215 1 year ago
@fattyrackle I have a SU-16A and I believe the A model and CA model share the same stock, and I can only fit one 30 round mag in my stock. As far as 20 round mags I wouldnt know.
Also would really like to see a tear down of a Su-16 on this channel. Im new to the gun world with my SU-16 being my first rifle (I have read the manual but man its a little bit confusing for a newbie)
PizzaDaHut05 1 year ago
Haha, did you really start with the "Oh, I didn't see you there!" video intro, @nutnfancy?
coolgeekish 1 year ago
@coolgeekish Hahaha..he has no shame!
Verilioness 1 year ago
I'm thinking about getting an su-16ca model, the one with the room for two more mags in the stock. I was wondering if anyone knew if you could stick two thirty rounders in there instead of just the ten rounders. That'd be awesome if it did, that would mean a ninety round capable rifle. Please reply.
fattyrackle 1 year ago
@fattyrackle
no your options are 2 10's or 1 30
Westerman1 1 year ago
@Westerman1 Thx for the info, too bad it's not 2x 30rdrs.
fattyrackle 1 year ago
@fattyrackle keltec makes somthing that ties two tens togetheron the mag floor plate look up nutnfancys shotshow keltec
tfoshohoe 1 year ago
first i have to say thanks you help me talk my mom into my first gun last year and second the kel tec SU 16C i a boss i have it shooting so well, a gruping of 1/4 an inch at 100 amazing accuracy
historyfreack77 1 year ago
well after watching these vids i decided to get this gun next. My only question really is can i use 223 ammo in it or do i have to use 5.56 nato also where do u get 5.56 and how much do they normally cost.
kingfro1000 1 year ago
The Kel-Tec SU-16C will most likely be my next rifle. I'm Loving what Kel-Tec is doing with all of there firearms. Thank you nutnfancy for all the info and hard work.
DigitalUrbanCamo 1 year ago
Thanks for these vids! It helped me pick my next gun!!!
basszack 1 year ago
Just got my SU-16C based on your excellent videos on this weapon. One question I have is what type of flash supressor have you added to your 16C?
rbelena 1 year ago
Thanks for another great video series!
studiobtm 1 year ago
how is the grouping at shooting 300 meters is it as great as a m16 or ar-15
crazydoormat 1 year ago
how is it shooting at 300 meters is the grouping as great as an ar-15 is ?
crazydoormat 1 year ago
love the old style intro, very nice work with the cheers, didnt know you had an audience. nice vid
extremedealer 1 year ago
this might sound like a dumb question but why is a flashlight an important accessory for a tactical firearm?
chabochi1 1 year ago
@chabochi1 most ppl dont use it tactical...just for home defense...but im no expert
antwan17 1 year ago
@chabochi1 My guess would be to see what you're shooting at in the dark...
DefMunky75 1 year ago
@chabochi1 So you know if your shooting an intruder inside your house, or your brother in law who came to get that 3/8 inch box end wrench.
Kylef7735 1 year ago
I have an SU-16B with about 1500 rounds of mostly Wolf but a bunch of pretty much everything else including hand loads run through it.
Not one hiccup yet. I travel a lot by rail and car. It fits discreetly in my rolling suit case.
WurledPeas 1 year ago
what a good muzzle break for a su-16ca
LeatherLung51 1 year ago
give a thumbs up if you want to see nutnfancy do a review of a SU16 with the m4 telescoping stock or the all metal red lion forend
AtomicCheesegod 1 year ago
I like how you put on the polymer rail. It's nice to be able to keep the stock grips and still have a tactical light. Was it hard to get level? I was thinking of using a clamp on tri-rail for a flashlight and a bi-pod (or vertical grip).
blucky775 1 year ago
Hey nutn, can you fit a MagPul PMag in the gun with it folded? Thanks for upload :)
jcainmc 1 year ago
250 rounds in mine so far without a hickup. I love everything other than how the stock bites into you a bit. I considered the ar stock..but the folding capability is so good to have that I think I will keep it. Slapped a cheap $35 tasco red dot from walmart on there..and and happy with it. I really see no reason to dump hundreds on a scope that does little more. FYI..I used an eotech on it first which was sweet..but not so much better that it justified the cost.
silashawat 1 year ago
gotta save up a kel-tec now! sounds like a all around good system.
s3import 1 year ago
My SU-16E shown with the AR stock and scope!
I liked the POU of the SU-16C (lightweight tactical) but as much as I liked the SU-16C folding stock, it had a bit too little torsional rigidity for me. Not bad, but I fell in love with the AR-15-ish feel, best of AR and AK. Definitely a different POU.
My Charlie stock went on my SU-22! Sweet!
I also had to shim my scope to get enough elevation.
If you're serious about gun rights, join the GOA, not the NRA.
Liberty4Ever 1 year ago
Im about 600 rounds of federal and wolf with my SU - 16CA nd running strong.. great gun even better price.
gavichino 1 year ago
1.23 HOLLA
truealphafitness 1 year ago
8:38 ahah Whoa AHahahahahaha WOW LOL! AHHH!!!!!!!!!!
AfroSchmuck 1 year ago
It's not often that this happens in a nutnfancy review, but since the SU-16 weighs almost 2lbs less than the Mini-14 and the CA model holds extra mags in the stock (two 10rnd, one 30rnd) in the stock, that seems to give it a mobility *and* firepower advantage over the Mini-14! Awesome review, awesome rifle!
coolgeekish 1 year ago
if u put the ar stock and for end on it will it b just as light b cuz i want to buy the ruger sr556 cuz its piston but i dont have that kind of cash. so i wana buy this and have the ar style im comfortable with
bigshowoff321 1 year ago
AR 15 for me looks CHEAP!!!
pennless8 1 year ago
Thanks for the review. I have a Bravo which I found used. Since I have had it I fired about 1000 rounds. Maybe jammed only once or twice. Wolf Ammo OK!
mattp409 1 year ago
i wish that gun had a pistol grip.
f0rumrr 1 year ago
dont lie Nutin u used to skate huh? i see how well u cut that griptape...... haha .. i think i might try that out ..... it looks real comfortable .. i skated alot as as a kid &teenager myself ... &football
sensiroots 1 year ago
Does anyone have any info on the sling he refers to in this vid? I dont see the sling he refers to on the KelTec website with the quick release shown in the vid. He annotates that 'with folding stock, single point sling attachment is a little tougher' Any one have any info on this sling system?
casimirrx 1 year ago
Nut,... That Mini14 looks like its on the edge of the table, and I cringe every time you put it back there after you pick it up. LOL!
SgtRum 1 year ago
The cheering was hilarious when you folded the stock
gsm1091 1 year ago
Yeah, after Part 2 I was thinking 'Red Dot Sight.' You said it in Part 3 and I agreed.
Thanks for reviewing this gun. It is in consideration and looks nice for the price.
ntrudr800 1 year ago
When I was three years old, 3 guys on PCP viciously tried to break into my home. It took cops 45 minutes to get to my house. Our german shepherd was the only thing keeping them away from the door, that was being held shut by my parents' legs. I did not live in a bad area, actually one of the most affluent neighborhoods in Los Angeles. It goes to show you how important home protection is.
I still live in California. Can I buy this rifle (maybe in separate pieces, so its not deemed assault?
tactteam00 1 year ago
Tactteam, Kel-Tec makes a SU16-CA, which is essentially an identical rifle/carbine to the C model with one exception.... The rifle comes with the "A" model stock.... a non-folding type. Well actually it will fold down, but only after removing a pin. In my opinion I actually like the "A" stock better because it allows for two magazines to be stowed in the underside of it. Aside from that- it has the thicker barrel and better sights etc etc that Nutnfancy mentions... hope this helped..?
artsmith1972 1 year ago
@tactteam00 yes you can buy this rifle! Just not the C version because when folded it can fire and thats too short for CA. I have the Bravo and I love it. And i live in Los Angeles.
mattp409 1 year ago
My experience from the SU-16B has been nothing but great. I love the fact that I can hold two ten round mags in the butt stock but I can't fire it when it is folded. I have a few hundred rounds through it and it has not failed to fire once. When I first got it I cocked the handle back and it has a very weird plastic on plastic feel. I didn't think that it would be all that great but alas, I was wrong. For weight and what it is capable of, it is quite amazing.
sandrockhell 1 year ago
So, I'm confused....can the SU-16 fire .223 or 5.56? Or both?
Great vid nutn! lots of info. I'm getting an SU-16C as soon as possible!!
justin27mcintyre 1 year ago
both.
lobsternoob 1 year ago
that knife on your back, cold steel tanto correct?
A10worthog 1 year ago
Is there any way to replace the recoil-spring tube mounted front sight with something at the end of the barrel to increase the sight radius? I don't understand why they put it there in the first place.
ButtPoopWiggle 1 year ago
I think that they placed it there to not have it knocked off center or damaged. Like the SU-16A has the plastic front sight on the barrel. They placed the sight back more to protect it when backpacking and as a truck gun.
sandrockhell 1 year ago
can u run n gun with one with a AR-15 style grip assembly..and review that??.....keep up the good work
helmet600 1 year ago
Excellent music score at the end xD
Blackhardt72 1 year ago
what retro store did you go to to find that friggin sweet calculator watch? Great vid nutn, as always. now i have to buy another one.....
everyone vote correctly, have a nice day
Bob35josh 1 year ago 19
ROFL! He wears that watch just to piss me off. We were laughing about it tonight. =) -- Veri (Nutn's sister)
nutnfancy 1 year ago 18
@nutnfancy I tried to explain to a digital watch wearing friend of mine how much women hate them on men. Finally one of his girlfriends bought him a decent watch! LOL
SmokeRingsPipeDreams 4 months ago
@Bob35josh wallmart sells em bro, they are like 20 bucks at the watch dept, i just got one LMAO!
emsotakon 1 year ago
I found that using the Outers gun cleaning kit that cleaning this unit is easy. Tearing it down isn't hard at all after ya do it a couple times. Found a guy on youtube that shows how it's done. Good weapon. Outers kit is small and easy to pack. Handles many calibers too.
coal4life 1 year ago
i like the su 16 a a bit more
jacob12gauge 2 years ago
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GBlues1 2 years ago
can you mount an accurate laser on the gun? It seems like a very good idea for a defense weapon..
humanentropy 2 years ago
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humanentropy 2 years ago
lol @ 8:52. what's up w/ the stock sound effects?
sarsattacks 2 years ago
a Nutnshell, LOOLZ!
UrbanKnight12 2 years ago
Why are lights so useful on any AR15?
warman0712 2 years ago
Excellent videos dude! I think this is going to be the rifle I'm going with. Although it'll have to be the CA because I live in Ridiculous Land (california). Thanks for the info!
internetfilth 2 years ago 4
I sure enjoyed all 3 videos on this rifle. Thanks for making them.
mtnsnow11 2 years ago
Fantastic series of reviews. I like the SU-16C, but I think I'm going to go for the SU-16CA. I like the full stock and the magazine storage in the stock.
Killah89107 2 years ago 2
@Killah89107
I just got the SU-16 Alpha and I am confident I made the right decision buying this as my first rifle, especially after seeing these videos. I live in upstate NY, so I went with the A model because it can't fire in the collapsed position (making it legal). I got it for $535 after tax. I would recommend getting the 'Bravo' metal sights from Kel Tec to replace the plastic ones that come stock. Nutnfancy mentions the plastic on the A model in part 1... or get a scope :)
good luck!
KingBoots8 2 years ago
I originally was lusting after the Alpha model, but I don't like the thin barrel. For me, the Charlie sights and barrel are ideal. I was thinking of getting a Barska Electroscope or something similar. Thanks.
Killah89107 2 years ago
Very comprehensive review of this stellar weapon system...good job. I just got one myself will report once it is shot.
zenanskig 2 years ago
stellar? really? interesting \....
altops 2 years ago
9:29 Holy crap! Now THAT'S a scope!
ootdega 2 years ago
Nutn, I almost never comment on these post, BUT after watching this, DUDE you rock! I am going to have to go get one of these now, the wife said "Thanks". Don't worry about what the critics are saying just keep doing your thing the way you do it. You have some of the most informative well thought out and put together videos out there. I look forward to each & every one no matter the subject. GREAT JOB!!
chmachin 2 years ago
i want one of them so bad!!!
DYLAN580ROCKET 2 years ago
Just bought myself one for Xmas. $634.00 after taxes. Called Impact guns in Ogden Utah and they had two in stock. Gonna pick it up saturday. Can't wait to get it home and start breaking it in Thanx for the good info Nutinfancy. Gonna get me another carry conceal like perhaps a PF9. Might even get one for my girlfriend. Oh by the way Nutinfancy, that mountian in the background looks like somewhere I've been before.
coal4life 2 years ago
@coal4life Got it. Love it. Tried Remington .223 and some 556 amo in it so far and never had any problems. Got some 30 round clips coming in along with some more ammo. Can't get enough time to get out there and do some more plinking right now but when my some comes to visit we're gonna get it dialed in and make some holes.
coal4life 2 years ago
Merry Christmas to me - Thanks NTF! Really enjoyed this series.
adapcpks 2 years ago
Good job ntn!!! lv the video very informative!! I wud lv to hv an ar 15 but gun enthusiast in CA cant be choosers. This is the closest I can get to an ar unless I leave this heavenly state!!!!
hvn4bid 2 years ago
"Nutn a Shell"
...best ad-lib yet. Good review.
arturo656b 2 years ago
lmaoo 8:48 random audience applause. hahaha. im like WTF where did that come from?! haha
marlo916 2 years ago 4
LOL..either the TV or a captive audience? -- Veri (Nutn's sister)
nutnfancy 2 years ago
ROFL! Maybe he added that in..there's a drumroll right behind it. =) -- Veri
nutnfancy 2 years ago
Any 1 know were u can get these or how much they run in Kentucky??
BrainDawgzz 2 years ago
SU-16c > Google > Shopping > Out of Stock everywhere.
UlfrIronwood 2 years ago
I had the same result with the SUB2k,
only thing to do is hit up a gun show
dashizl 2 years ago
This guy rules. Informative and passionate about the 2nd ammendment. Love this. Very entertaining as well. Lose the calculator watch.
FacebonesDestroyer 2 years ago 4
lose the calculator watch? are you serious? no way, man.
marlo916 2 years ago
17:06 yeahhhh baby!!! hahaha
I'm getting one of these within the next 3 weeks!
wrxbungle 2 years ago
Kel-Tecs quality control is terrible. My dad ordered a 9mm that took 3 months to get in. Once he did get it he realized that the barrel didnt have rifling.
ben3304 2 years ago
smooth bore pistols are actually illegal, so if that's true than KelTec made a epic fuck up
stealmind 2 years ago
No they aren't, they're just classified as AOW (any other weapon) under NFA. A tax stamp and registry, and viola. Same for SBRs and SBSs
FinnishM91 2 years ago
I meant illegal for most people, because it's almost impossible to get a class 3 weapons permit.
stealmind 2 years ago
One doesn't need class III for a smooth-bore pistol.
FinnishM91 2 years ago
Were in our Constitution does it say We the People must subject ourselves to UnConstitutional regulations or permits.. those notions come directly from England who RULE over their subjects! Wake up sheeple... your free,, be free. defend your freedom with deadly force.
altops 2 years ago
@altops
You shouldn't waste your time. People that actually understand freedom are few and far between, people that understand the Constitution are few and far between; people that can correctly interpret Constitutional law hardly even exist - and no one understands stare decisis, or organic law.
People don't want true freedom, they just want to be comfortable. True freedom requires sacrifice, and bloodshed. People are afraid of blood now.
FinnishM91 2 years ago
if you read our constitution there is no such thing as illegal anything when it come to firearms ,,, wake up sheeple!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
altops 2 years ago
not illegal according to the constitution
illegal according to local, state and federal law.
one more thing, how am I a sheeple to stating a fact?
stealmind 2 years ago
Well the law you abide by determines your sheeple status! The one our founders and servicemen fought and died for; the Constitution? or the one the suits in Washington think they had any power to script into a "law";. local federal mandates...
altops 2 years ago
I don't do the crime because I don't want to do the time.
Should I run redlights and drive the opposite way on the highway to become a non-sheeple?
also the constitution never mentions anything about not being allowed to rape people, so would I be a sheeple for not raping someone?
fyi, I never promoted any gun control I just merely stated a fact.
stealmind 2 years ago
Are you trying to be a moron? Freedom does not mean you can violate other peoples rights or act unsafe how foolish is your reasoning. I never mentioned doing crime either! What -r- u- smoking? Is it a crime to assert your true freedom and your true rights over and above the real illegal laws? grow up and wake your are a sheeple 100%
altops 2 years ago
"Freedom does not mean you can violate other peoples rights or act unsafe how foolish is your reasoning. "
libs agree but there reasoning is that proliferation of full autos, explosives etc etc is unsafe, so they justify their POV with the same reasoning
I say it's illegal because if you get caught you will serve jail time, if you want to practice civil disobedience than that's a personal choice that you made but don't act like a fifth grader and name-call those who have a different pov
stealmind 2 years ago
Its not civil disobedience, if your RIGHT and "they" are wrong.You may already now that anyone in government who acts contrary to the Constitution is in fact the criminal , so who is the disobedient one?
altops 2 years ago
saying they are wrong is like saying "they are wrong" when your favorite color is blue and some other people favorite color is red. no one is wrong, it's a personal fucking choice.
stealmind 2 years ago
I'll say it again; I never promoted any gun control law, I stated that something exist, don't be a little kid and think that if you ignore something it's doesn't exist, whether you agree with something or not does not change the fact that it exists
RCW 9.41.225 (one gun control law)
"not according to or authorized by law" m-w definition of illegal
the fact that you have one definition for something other than the mainstream definition does not make you superior and everyone will a sheeple
stealmind 2 years ago
What does Washington have to do with anything?
FinnishM91 2 years ago
that was just one example of a gun control law
stealmind 2 years ago
i bought one from a family member who got an ar 15 and didn't want the su 16 c any more so he cut me a deal for $450
dubya93 2 years ago
excellent job...very imformative
albruno09 2 years ago
outstanding
oldblackbetty 2 years ago
Excellent comprehensive evaluation with plenty of extra practical tips. A+
lughcious 2 years ago
You su great reviews! Thanks- Please do the PLR-16 Please....
flicknuts420 2 years ago
i got my su 16c for $450 it also has a lifetime warrinty from the factory
dubya93 2 years ago
where did you get that for that price???
Was it new or used?
I haven't seen the SU-16 C for less than $650.00
CardsDefense 2 years ago
I, too, would like to know where your bought it.
topgunbobby 2 years ago
Yeah where was that price???
I'm in the same state as Kel-Tec and best price i've been quoted at is $520
wrxbungle 2 years ago
just good a su 16 b and i love it no kick at all just great for plinking i give it 2 thumbs up
zoofergee 2 years ago
good vid i wish there a video of the pistol grip for the kel tec su
h4s5g9 2 years ago
You should review the Kel-Tec Sub-2000. It can use the Glock 17 mags in 9mm or the G22's in .40 S&W. Really nice to have a folding carbine as a back-up that utilizes the same mags as your side arm.
MrEsfent 2 years ago
That is one very nice looking gun.
Randomnormality 2 years ago 9
Ah Adam and Joes Place the Meatballs
Fedaykin24 2 years ago
Is that the ProMag 30 Round magazine?
1999AudiAvant 2 years ago
Based on your review, I purchased an Su-16C and have to tell you I have no regrets. Thank you for an awesome review. I've added a Micor flash suppressor and a lighted reticle 3-9 sniper scope by NcStar and I love the whole package. Thanks!
spudie97 2 years ago 9
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muledeer1976 2 years ago
@spudie97
But isn't it difficult to clean?
fredjustsucks 1 year ago
plz plz plz do a plr 16 review
Target008 2 years ago
they have folding stocks for the m4 style stock
soulsniper7 2 years ago
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XP476 2 years ago
Do they make pistol grip and collapse able stocks like the M4 series ive seen pictures but can't find a maker of such products.
JoZuko 2 years ago
wow i watched the rest of it.
JoZuko 2 years ago
If they do I'm sold on the gun. On the website they ask you take a survey and one of the questions is if you would like to an M4 style collapsible stock on the SU so maybe it's in the works.
capnkirktm 2 years ago
Yea someone makes them, im not sure who either but i know they do make an m4 style collapsable stock w/ pistol grip.
jmtcardinal 2 years ago
i LOVE this guy! i'm into guns but i think he is a great video producer and a great host. he just seems so nice and genuine!
keep it up nutnfancy! you should have your own tv show!
nikitaylor1997 2 years ago 10
OK, today 19 Aug '09 I handled a SU-16, (not the 16C) for the first time. I was very impressed, especially with the weight and the fact the asking price was $499.99. Now that I have seen the three videos, I am SOLD. I also have a mini-14 by the way, which turned out (I found out after I bought it) to be the NRA version. Good gun, but this SU-16 has me very intriqued. Now, which sight to use? Hmmmmm.