Sirens keep the public safe, especially when fire trucks and other emergency vehicles are about to pull out onto the road to respond to a fire, car accident, etc.
Every town has to have a hair-covered liberal whining about something. One day, it's the sirens. The next day, it's about a proposed Walmart, a neighbor's ham radio antenna, or the nativity scene in front of the police station that "offends" them.
That siren sounds great!!! Your lucky! I use to live in a town with 7 of those sirens..I miss hearing them.. They were a apart of my life for 26 years! and every night at 6 to be home for dinner! They sounded amazing from a distance when you could hear all 7 sounding in a symphony of music!!!! Great stuff! Dont complain! Living in a town without sirens is boring!
these irritate the crap out of me because i never know what they are going off for. i live in cambridge just moved hear from west coast and never heard these before in my life. i always try to figure out what they mean.
@bnsf4 haha, not always plenty are still in the "civil defense" yellow and are omnidirectional or ratating sirens. there are countless models of siren all used for various needs.
Easton was rated the 8th best small town in America, clearly our fire sirens must have sounded while they were rating our town. Most people use the siren as a tool to know when fire trucks may be coming and to look out for firefighters responding to the firehouse. Though some people are still oblivious to what we are trying to do.
First of all the sirens do not activate between 10-6 unless there is a serious call such as a working fire, serious car accident, etc. I live a block away from a fire siren and it seldom wakes me up and usually im going to a call anyway. I really dont know how long you have lived here but I would bet that the fire sirens were here first and enough things have been changed because of new residents complaining.
that is an old siren and is not that loud, imagine having a chrysler siren in your town. Also known as the worlds loudest siren. you can tell fire from storm signal because the during the storm signal, the sirens wind-up faster. Would you rather hear that if your house is on fire or would you rather hear it during a storm? either way, those sirens could mean the matter of life or death for someone.
FAIL OF EPICNESS. you really should look up some info before you rant. i have been living here for 12 years, and they deffinatly dont go off 3 times a day. i think you are an acctivost that just wants to rant and prove a point. ok, so we take away the sirins or make them soft. now your in danger becuase we are being attacked. now who needs help? the stupid acctivist that wanted them gone.
First of all, the majority of area in the USA that is serviced by VFD's, DO NOT have fire sirens. Travel out West and you will see fire companies doing a great job utilizing pagers and cell phones only.
Secondly, I do not live in Easton, but have on several occasions heard the alarm go off three or more times in a 24 hour period.
Finally, one should avoid calling people stupid when they are unable to spell, or even figure out how to make the computer do so for them.
well hey i hope they get rid of those sirens for you by the way when ur house burns down because they got rid of the siren and could not signal the firefighters like me to your house don't go crying on you tube
If you don't like it move the hell out of my town, asshole. The sirens were there long before you were, and they play a far more important role in my community than you and your cynical attitude ever will.
@tglime0718 dose your county have a public safty radio system were they can page out the Vol. fire fighters on pagers. That"s how they page us out here in hamilton county florida.
I live in Delaware, one state over. Almost all of our sirens are solely for volunteer departments (only Wilmington has completely paid depts.), and the nuclear plant has its own sirens.
I live 1/3 of a mile from a Federal Model 5/7 and it does not bother me one bit.
Departments around here will not decommision their sirens, because they serve important purposes:
@GOLFisNOTaSPORT6 sorry I didn't see you post before I commented on tglime0718 comment. I am a volunteer and we do not have a siren. I gess it is because I live out in the country. I do recall seeing a siren at sation 3 in the main city "Jasper" their fire dept. is also volunteer but they never use their siren. They haven't ssense the 80s when we got our radio system.
Just curious but didn't you realize the sirens were there BEFORE you moved to Easton? This reminds me of the folks that move next door to an airport and complain about the noise. It's just so unusual to me that people would willingly subject themselves to something they find so offensive.
around ehre our sirens dint go off for a fire call but, when they did it was a wail on wail off liek in tihs video, it stoped after lets say 1 min. for a storm or tornado it was on steadely for 3 mins now everyone coudl under stand that but, urs is confusing, in the book its not the correct signal
Yeah, I've visited Easton a few times, myself, and the first time or so the sirens were pretty unsettling. Don't recall if they went off at night, but that probably would have freaked me out even more, although the friends I was staying with assured me that it was just a fire thing, not a major catastrophe.
But, I agree, it would be nice if there was something they could do that would keep the siren for emergencies only and allow a different way of alerting the fire-fighters.
I once stayed at a friend's house in Easton. I was woken up in the middle of the night by these things. Having never heard one except when watching old movies where there was a bomb raid or something in my highschool classes, I was a little off-put when one woke me up in the middle of the night. I literally thought I was going to die. When it kept going on and no one in the house got up I figured I was safe, but completely unecessary? I would think so.
The sirens are offensive and frankly even if they were using old beepers the cost is surely low enough for the town to front. I'm sure the affected residents would be more than happy to help fund the installation of newer and less offensive devices...those who see the sirens as some kind of personal symbol are free to relocate them to their back yard as far as I'm concerned.
i bet alll u people wouldnt b complaining if it went off for the firedepartment to respond to your house because your house was on fire now would ya......its for the fire department....they do their jobs....saving lives......quit complaing.....bunch of selfish people if ya ask me.....id make it louder just to piss yall off.....
This isn't against the fire department, nobody is complaining that firemen do their jobs, we're complaining that outdated and offensive technology is being used, at a detriment to some of the same citizens who donate to those same firemen. If one of your family members was a war veteran and the sirens caused him horrible flashbacks, would you still fight for the sirens? I'd like to think you would, and it's a shame if your opinion changes based on whether it's your family member or mine.
there are newer replacements but one problem the cost is alot, and there nto as effective as the older more realiable ones, theres warnigns on TVs but what happens when the TV goes out, or the power, these still come one with battery power. i say stick to old school, some people from wars say this is music to their ears
oh ya try living in an american base were they have six different alarms but one day middle of the week just hangin with my freinds you know because this base was for homing for military families just outside game stop drinking a coke when the air raid alarm goes off we all head to the bunker but they were after closing it already me and my friends had to keep on the move to avoid being hit by fucking bombs do you know how scary that was having to ride out an air by running around the place
I agree, I lived in Easton for 9 years, and this god damn alarm drove me INSANE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I had two babies that NEVER got any sleep. I came this close to shooting those f*#$%!g sirens right off the pole! I used to live within a few hundred feet of one, and begged the fire company to realize that we are in the 21st century, alas, there was no reasoning with hose beaters. They live for that sound, and so I moved the hell out of Easton.
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hey friend i hope you get to the town of easton about this problem because this sh@$ needs to stop blowing all the time i am 100% with you about that siren.
i will never know when if it was something minor or something major like a twister. the only way i would know what is happening is from my dads little radio he carries around. (on may 17 2009 i counted how many times that siren blow that number was 7 and i know there was no 7 twisters, shot there might have been 7 white fluffy clouds)
As nostalgic as it might be for some siren enthusiasts - The siren is needless and to say the least unnerving, unless of course there is imminent danger for the local masses.
Why aren't the firefighters using digital scanners, cell phones and beepers?
Most days it goes off three times, some days none, and occasionally we hear the two minute siren ten to twelve times a day. They recently said they weren't going to use it at all between 10 pm and 6 am, but last Monday it went off at 3:55 am and then 10:16 pm that same night.
im pretty sure, it only goes off from 10 to 6 if we're called for a Structure fire, wreck with entrapment, or if additional manpower is needed for a call we're already on. we have a call most every night so, i mean, we dont wake you up every night while we're goin to work to serve the community.
i think its silly. its going off so many times that one day no ones going take any notice when theres going to be a real air rade. why dont they just set it of wen theres danger?
i'm from MD central md so i don't get to hear them. though i saw many sirens in st. mary's but i wished we had a siren in bethesda for june 4 2008. n. va has them but we don't.
That's not fast wail, that's just the normal cycling on a PGA timer. The Model 2 at the VFD up the road from me cycles just like this Model 3 does, and it's also on a PGA.
It would help if you had your tv on. Maybe then you could tell if it was a fire call or the real thing. Or get a weather radio. I do think that having 2 of the same sirens for tornados and firecalls is dumb. I think you should urge your city to get some new ones. Or tell them to use ALERT(staying at the same tone) for tornado warnings and using attack for firecalls.
Thanks for your advice! Every now and then we do hear the ALERT signal (steady signal - nonwavering) and have tuned in to radio and TV to find that nothing is being reported. After one such signal (that was NOT on the first Saturday of the month) I checked radio and TV first, then phoned the firehouse's non-emergency number to inquire why the warning had sounded. The person answering the phone had no idea what I was talking about and was unaware that the alarm had even sounded the ALERT.
I think what would be best is to sound alert for tornados storms etc and sound the attack for firecalls. I know of many towns that do that. Its very effective.
Sirens keep the public safe, especially when fire trucks and other emergency vehicles are about to pull out onto the road to respond to a fire, car accident, etc.
avm316 3 days ago
reading the broshure must be the secret code fore the tornado siren
SuperMoussey 1 month ago
i love tornadoes
SuperMoussey 1 month ago
my town has that same exact siren
aldente543 3 months ago
LOL I HEARD you say "you probably can't hear me at all" when the siren was going off :D
KetchupAndMustard55 3 months ago
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KetchupAndMustard55 3 months ago
It must have an SC controller. This is fast wail on the SC. all of our 2001s have it.
ND1003 4 months ago
Something tells me this was made in the 1990's. Its old but no matter how old a Federal Signal sirens gets, it still sounds GREAT when its wailing.
Cars2fan 5 months ago
@amberlynn6914 this is an old Federal Signal model3? I thought it was a Federal Signal model 5.
Cars2fan 5 months ago
Loudness is 128,5 Db/100 ft. Amazing siren !
DS977luxol 6 months ago
Federal model 3.
amberlynn6914 7 months ago
1:08 - 1:25 it the world loudest BLEEP! LOL
MrSciencetificsasuke 8 months ago
Every town has to have a hair-covered liberal whining about something. One day, it's the sirens. The next day, it's about a proposed Walmart, a neighbor's ham radio antenna, or the nativity scene in front of the police station that "offends" them.
Audinos 9 months ago
100s of residents, i would not mind that at all, as long as they don't replace it with a "new siren"
hootergirlsrhot 10 months ago
In houston we don't have sirens
BBhunter58 10 months ago
Those aren't air raid sirens they are fire sirens I'm a volunteer firemen in Oxford and in talbot it should be common knowledge
DulinVideoProduction 11 months ago
Every time that it would go off, i would look outside and check the weather. Then you could know!
spotandtiggerbug 11 months ago
Conversely, Alert could also be used for Fire calls.
DasMidnightDrifter 1 year ago
Honestly, I can't tell Attack from "Fast Wail". They need to get the programming altered on the boxes so the two tones don't sound identical.
DasMidnightDrifter 1 year ago
Nice model 5. Also it sounds like a 2001
ilovepolice1 1 year ago
@ilovepolice1 More than likely a model 3, the model 3 and 2001 have the EXACT same choppers.
Droideka133 1 year ago
That siren sounds great!!! Your lucky! I use to live in a town with 7 of those sirens..I miss hearing them.. They were a apart of my life for 26 years! and every night at 6 to be home for dinner! They sounded amazing from a distance when you could hear all 7 sounding in a symphony of music!!!! Great stuff! Dont complain! Living in a town without sirens is boring!
TheRobCicero 1 year ago
During the siren going off, i actually heard 1 thing quite clear "you probably can't hear me at all", so I could hear that perfectly lol
JustBearWithMe 1 year ago
these irritate the crap out of me because i never know what they are going off for. i live in cambridge just moved hear from west coast and never heard these before in my life. i always try to figure out what they mean.
eastcountybabe78 1 year ago
"We would die sitting at our computers"
So you must be deaf? Anyone who has decent hearing can hear a storm, hurr durr.
VMFA115Starloric 1 year ago
Thats the fire signal I think.
Droideka133 1 year ago
Nice Model 5.
Droideka133 1 year ago
That would be a fire siren. At the beggining. Tornado/storm sirens are white and rotate on the pole that they are on.
bnsf4 1 year ago
@bnsf4 haha, not always plenty are still in the "civil defense" yellow and are omnidirectional or ratating sirens. there are countless models of siren all used for various needs.
sd40u 1 year ago
old model 3
iwnproductions 1 year ago
I heard the difference, the fire signal is plain slow attack, and emergency is sort of a type of fast wail. You can hear the difference very well.
Droideka133 1 year ago
Easton was rated the 8th best small town in America, clearly our fire sirens must have sounded while they were rating our town. Most people use the siren as a tool to know when fire trucks may be coming and to look out for firefighters responding to the firehouse. Though some people are still oblivious to what we are trying to do.
evfd2003 1 year ago
First of all the sirens do not activate between 10-6 unless there is a serious call such as a working fire, serious car accident, etc. I live a block away from a fire siren and it seldom wakes me up and usually im going to a call anyway. I really dont know how long you have lived here but I would bet that the fire sirens were here first and enough things have been changed because of new residents complaining.
evfd2003 1 year ago
that is an old siren and is not that loud, imagine having a chrysler siren in your town. Also known as the worlds loudest siren. you can tell fire from storm signal because the during the storm signal, the sirens wind-up faster. Would you rather hear that if your house is on fire or would you rather hear it during a storm? either way, those sirens could mean the matter of life or death for someone.
TBOLT1000 1 year ago
FAIL OF EPICNESS. you really should look up some info before you rant. i have been living here for 12 years, and they deffinatly dont go off 3 times a day. i think you are an acctivost that just wants to rant and prove a point. ok, so we take away the sirins or make them soft. now your in danger becuase we are being attacked. now who needs help? the stupid acctivist that wanted them gone.
FrostiTheWolf 1 year ago
@FrostiTheWolf
First of all, the majority of area in the USA that is serviced by VFD's, DO NOT have fire sirens. Travel out West and you will see fire companies doing a great job utilizing pagers and cell phones only.
Secondly, I do not live in Easton, but have on several occasions heard the alarm go off three or more times in a 24 hour period.
Finally, one should avoid calling people stupid when they are unable to spell, or even figure out how to make the computer do so for them.
planetsandman 1 year ago
well hey i hope they get rid of those sirens for you by the way when ur house burns down because they got rid of the siren and could not signal the firefighters like me to your house don't go crying on you tube
ladder1989 1 year ago
u look like the sceince teacher from i carly
ruthular 1 year ago
he has a point, it is stupid that they have to blow the sirens 3-12 times a day. How would they know if they were really getting attacked?
dieselpower4ever 2 years ago
Haha, this guy is an activist against the warning of imminent danger to his town.
Irony!
VMFA115Starloric 2 years ago
The Model 5 siren does not like what you're saying and therefore will try to block out said dialog.
FoamPackingPeanuts 2 years ago
If you don't like it move the hell out of my town, asshole. The sirens were there long before you were, and they play a far more important role in my community than you and your cynical attitude ever will.
tglime0718 2 years ago
@tglime0718 dose your county have a public safty radio system were they can page out the Vol. fire fighters on pagers. That"s how they page us out here in hamilton county florida.
radioguy100 2 years ago
I live in Delaware, one state over. Almost all of our sirens are solely for volunteer departments (only Wilmington has completely paid depts.), and the nuclear plant has its own sirens.
I live 1/3 of a mile from a Federal Model 5/7 and it does not bother me one bit.
Departments around here will not decommision their sirens, because they serve important purposes:
1. They alert citizens to responding volunteers.
2. Pagers and beepers are not fool-proof.
3. So victims know help is en route.
GOLFisNOTaSPORT6 2 years ago
@GOLFisNOTaSPORT6 sorry I didn't see you post before I commented on tglime0718 comment. I am a volunteer and we do not have a siren. I gess it is because I live out in the country. I do recall seeing a siren at sation 3 in the main city "Jasper" their fire dept. is also volunteer but they never use their siren. They haven't ssense the 80s when we got our radio system.
radioguy100 2 years ago
is he Ned Flanders from the Simpson??
OMGGGGG!!!
HeretoComment76 2 years ago
12 times a day? Holy shit what for?
carouselcarouse 2 years ago
Just curious but didn't you realize the sirens were there BEFORE you moved to Easton? This reminds me of the folks that move next door to an airport and complain about the noise. It's just so unusual to me that people would willingly subject themselves to something they find so offensive.
HighwaySong1999 2 years ago
around ehre our sirens dint go off for a fire call but, when they did it was a wail on wail off liek in tihs video, it stoped after lets say 1 min. for a storm or tornado it was on steadely for 3 mins now everyone coudl under stand that but, urs is confusing, in the book its not the correct signal
locohog91 2 years ago
Yeah, I've visited Easton a few times, myself, and the first time or so the sirens were pretty unsettling. Don't recall if they went off at night, but that probably would have freaked me out even more, although the friends I was staying with assured me that it was just a fire thing, not a major catastrophe.
But, I agree, it would be nice if there was something they could do that would keep the siren for emergencies only and allow a different way of alerting the fire-fighters.
copycatzero 2 years ago
I once stayed at a friend's house in Easton. I was woken up in the middle of the night by these things. Having never heard one except when watching old movies where there was a bomb raid or something in my highschool classes, I was a little off-put when one woke me up in the middle of the night. I literally thought I was going to die. When it kept going on and no one in the house got up I figured I was safe, but completely unecessary? I would think so.
Sakuranym 2 years ago 3
The sirens are offensive and frankly even if they were using old beepers the cost is surely low enough for the town to front. I'm sure the affected residents would be more than happy to help fund the installation of newer and less offensive devices...those who see the sirens as some kind of personal symbol are free to relocate them to their back yard as far as I'm concerned.
Wasteminion 2 years ago
i live barley a quarter mile from one and i haven't heard it for years.
heat45jc 2 years ago
You'd be surprised how many times those sirens go off.
gatrwrks 2 years ago 2
i bet alll u people wouldnt b complaining if it went off for the firedepartment to respond to your house because your house was on fire now would ya......its for the fire department....they do their jobs....saving lives......quit complaing.....bunch of selfish people if ya ask me.....id make it louder just to piss yall off.....
bingelboyII 2 years ago
there is one in our town that was disconnected because it would rattle every second floor window in town. (i live in the town in the video.)
Bensmithstation60 2 years ago 2
This isn't against the fire department, nobody is complaining that firemen do their jobs, we're complaining that outdated and offensive technology is being used, at a detriment to some of the same citizens who donate to those same firemen. If one of your family members was a war veteran and the sirens caused him horrible flashbacks, would you still fight for the sirens? I'd like to think you would, and it's a shame if your opinion changes based on whether it's your family member or mine.
Wasteminion 2 years ago 6
there are newer replacements but one problem the cost is alot, and there nto as effective as the older more realiable ones, theres warnigns on TVs but what happens when the TV goes out, or the power, these still come one with battery power. i say stick to old school, some people from wars say this is music to their ears
locohog91 2 years ago
has it ever been set of when a real air raid is about 2 happen
xXxferrari098xXx 2 years ago
there have not been any air raids
marksmanman96 2 years ago
oh ya try living in an american base were they have six different alarms but one day middle of the week just hangin with my freinds you know because this base was for homing for military families just outside game stop drinking a coke when the air raid alarm goes off we all head to the bunker but they were after closing it already me and my friends had to keep on the move to avoid being hit by fucking bombs do you know how scary that was having to ride out an air by running around the place
sean93212 2 years ago
I agree, I lived in Easton for 9 years, and this god damn alarm drove me INSANE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I had two babies that NEVER got any sleep. I came this close to shooting those f*#$%!g sirens right off the pole! I used to live within a few hundred feet of one, and begged the fire company to realize that we are in the 21st century, alas, there was no reasoning with hose beaters. They live for that sound, and so I moved the hell out of Easton.
onefive0 2 years ago
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funny how you call people who risk their lives everyday for the community by names.
Bensmithstation60 2 years ago
i so would love to live thare silent hill every day
silenthill123321 2 years ago
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hey friend i hope you get to the town of easton about this problem because this sh@$ needs to stop blowing all the time i am 100% with you about that siren.
i will never know when if it was something minor or something major like a twister. the only way i would know what is happening is from my dads little radio he carries around. (on may 17 2009 i counted how many times that siren blow that number was 7 and i know there was no 7 twisters, shot there might have been 7 white fluffy clouds)
thewootersnerd 2 years ago
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Bensmithstation60 2 years ago
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Thanks for doing this! It is the most annoying thing and in today's day of age of radios and things we only need this siren for real emergencies.
Let us know what we can do to help
Brandon
BrandoBlanco 2 years ago
you got to remember not every fire Dept. can aford pagers
biggulp2000 2 years ago 2
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Bensmithstation60 2 years ago
dude, no offences, but you look like Ned Flanders from the simpson :)
HeretoComment76 2 years ago 13
lol more like Mr. Noodle's brother, Mr. Noodle from Elmo's World on Sesame Street.
johnmartinez123 2 years ago
AUTO ZONE! GET IN THE ZONE!!
Rageman1112 2 years ago 2
A Model 5 or 7.
EvanToTheFutureDude 2 years ago
it is a model 5
videomaster110 2 years ago
Model 3.
Antipwnsurmum 2 years ago
it's a model 3, listen to the length of the windup.
Antipwnsurmum 2 years ago
As nostalgic as it might be for some siren enthusiasts - The siren is needless and to say the least unnerving, unless of course there is imminent danger for the local masses.
Why aren't the firefighters using digital scanners, cell phones and beepers?
cherylsenter 2 years ago 3
cost probaly
biggulp2000 2 years ago
Most days it goes off three times, some days none, and occasionally we hear the two minute siren ten to twelve times a day. They recently said they weren't going to use it at all between 10 pm and 6 am, but last Monday it went off at 3:55 am and then 10:16 pm that same night.
HowWouldWeKnowTheDif 2 years ago
im pretty sure, it only goes off from 10 to 6 if we're called for a Structure fire, wreck with entrapment, or if additional manpower is needed for a call we're already on. we have a call most every night so, i mean, we dont wake you up every night while we're goin to work to serve the community.
Bensmithstation60 2 years ago
@HowWouldWeKnowTheDif
Maybe you should get filled in with the technicals on these devices before you continue to make judgment calls on them.
VMFA115Starloric 2 years ago
The fire siren goes off 12 times a day? :S!
HystoricalMicrobe 2 years ago
i think its silly. its going off so many times that one day no ones going take any notice when theres going to be a real air rade. why dont they just set it of wen theres danger?
lcassell94 2 years ago
i'm from MD central md so i don't get to hear them. though i saw many sirens in st. mary's but i wished we had a siren in bethesda for june 4 2008. n. va has them but we don't.
xthemwordx 2 years ago
sounds like a 2001
littlesirenboy 2 years ago
Especially the fast wail. Further evidence that this is a Model 3.
Antipwnsurmum 2 years ago
That's not fast wail, that's just the normal cycling on a PGA timer. The Model 2 at the VFD up the road from me cycles just like this Model 3 does, and it's also on a PGA.
murrfarms 2 years ago
Ooh. a PGA timer.. that's weird, because they can't do alert and apparently these sirens can.
Antipwnsurmum 2 years ago
No, the windup is far too slow for even a single phase 5. Let alone a 7.
Antipwnsurmum 2 years ago
I have a Model 3 But mine is a 8 port version
Archon2561 2 years ago
Wow, a model 3 doing Fast Wail. Or, a busted timer doing Wail.
Antipwnsurmum 2 years ago
Excellent video, love the sound of the siren!
Doesn't that get annoying throughout the day, though?!
Besides, if its for firecalls, why do they sound ALL of the sirens city-wide?! That is crazy, only the siren at the activated FD should sound.
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gatrwrks 2 years ago
It would help if you had your tv on. Maybe then you could tell if it was a fire call or the real thing. Or get a weather radio. I do think that having 2 of the same sirens for tornados and firecalls is dumb. I think you should urge your city to get some new ones. Or tell them to use ALERT(staying at the same tone) for tornado warnings and using attack for firecalls.
crazywarriorman 2 years ago 4
Thanks for your advice! Every now and then we do hear the ALERT signal (steady signal - nonwavering) and have tuned in to radio and TV to find that nothing is being reported. After one such signal (that was NOT on the first Saturday of the month) I checked radio and TV first, then phoned the firehouse's non-emergency number to inquire why the warning had sounded. The person answering the phone had no idea what I was talking about and was unaware that the alarm had even sounded the ALERT.
HowWouldWeKnowTheDif 2 years ago
I think what would be best is to sound alert for tornados storms etc and sound the attack for firecalls. I know of many towns that do that. Its very effective.
crazywarriorman 2 years ago
The firehouse does NOT set the alert off Talbot Center does CALL them
Dondonf2003 2 years ago