Good Riddance to the whole Desteni Productions whoreshit... It was a huge scam... The evil voice of Bernard Poolman alone was enough to tell you that something was really up. Also the apparent girl/boy whatever named Max channeling other past on species and/or plant life was another crock of shit. All mind control.
What i find strange is that the channeling girl is always looking to the left in her videos. Every spirit who enters always looks to the left after 10 or 15 seconds. Like its reading the kewords she wrote down.
They say "for no stone is left unturned"
Is that one of the reasons why they block people just by some questions they do not want to answer.
Desteni people are afraid of any negative reaction and its because it will be seen by other desteni dreamers.
@weirdcitykid Would you agree that a person speaks the languages they knew in life? Language is intrinsic to our sense of self - and it's expression and nuance are key components to the expression of who we are. To say we lose all that is to lose a part of our sense of self. So, if someone expresses themselves in language that is not their primary, they are then likely to do so with an accent. To say that "when we die we don't have an accent" is to assert that we lose a part of ourselves.
You could probably convince me the sky is pink with that Socratic style of arguing...lol..and while I agree that language is heavily linked to self - I just cannot imagine French and Italian spirits. The self is far deeper than that I think - you refer to the social self - the one that is constrained to say "I'm fine thanks" whenever anyone asks "how are you?". Even when we are not fine.
I think the self is without language or memory - a pure self something almost primal.
@weirdcitykid Think about it for a moment - What is a person? What is this "self" that we believe we have? It is an amalgamation of a myriad of things ranging from how we walk, which hand we use primarily, the verbage we use when we speak, our slang, our physical quirks when we walk/talk - and those things are just the start! If someone claims to be channeling a spirit, it could be anyone. If they claim to channel a SPECIFIC spirit, then these quirks and idiosyncrasies MUST be present
@weirdcitykid Without those idiosyncrasies, then that 'spirit' could be anyone. I don't know about you, but my thoughts are in English as it is my primary language. If I speak Chinese or Japanese, you can hear my English accent as I am not an accomplished practitioner of these languages. Thus, it stands to reason, should the concept that is "Me" pass on and become a 'spirit', when someone calls upon "me" for a seance and I start speaking fluently in Chinese or Japanese it wouldn't be "me"
@weirdcitykid You will note I did not refer to the "social self", but I can see how you may have seen it implied. In the "social self", how we respond would also be idiosyncratic. The words we use, the inflection, the tone, the level of dismissal or honesty to the question, the perceived expectations... How we react should be easily seen by those who know us as readily identifiable. Self without language or memory seems contradictory to the concept of Self: We are creatures of our experience.
to continue from "creatures of experience" - Who "we" are is a direct consequence to the decisions we've made in the situations we've been in... To have a "self" that is without memory is like saying that nobody changes over time, or that a person who suffered a debilitating head trauma (or the like) would react exactly as they would have before their trauma. The notion of the "self" and a "soul" are usually confused as interchangeable. Identity is "Self", spiritualism is "Soul"
@shadowbrowncoat It seems to me that you are referring to a self that is constructed and maintained by and within this physical/material world. That you are talking about the self that originates from our biology (brain) and psychology (mind), directly causing personality and a sense of self identity. This identity which contains all a persons' quirks, unique attributes, history (experience/memory), etc. Imagine this sense of self vanishing when a person dies. Just imagine.
@MrNikkudim You're dismissing the logic of the statement. If at any point in time someone or something subscribes or identifies with an ascription, they can not pick and choose what portion to identify with. Imagine this - A spirit claims to be Bruce Lee, and someone claims to channel that spirit. Without ANY of the inflections, mannerisms, memories, or other 'quirks' that would be/could be/are associated to the Conceptualized notion of the combination of these things that is known (1 of 2)
@MrNikkudim to be "Bruce Lee" (or at least the Bruce Lee that most would know, rather than just some other "Bruce Lee", or "Bruce Li" or "Brooce Lea" - if you get my intention), then by the shear self-identification of STATING they're "Bruce Lee", they are countering the notion that there is a state of Selflessness in the cosmology they claim to exist in. To shed the Self and all it's associations would be to shed even the name they identify with (2... Another comes)
@MrNikkudim - if they can be called, they maintain a sentiment of the "Self" that is obviously beyond the 'simple biology' you refer to. If a person is just a name, and not an amalgamation of their life experiences (which is tempered and cooled through the language(s) they speak, and the mannerisms through which they would deal with happiness and sadness - which not solely biological functions according to Desteni's 'spirits', as they do speak of these and similar things as well... Simple Logic
IF, and only if, there is existence after death, and IF this sense of self disappears, what would be left of the person? Would it be utterly annihilated? Why, or why not? How could anything physical continue to exist beyond the physical, if there is non-physical existence after death? Are personality, traits and quirks non-physical in nature or are they solely manifestations of biology, physics and psychology?
I'm not claiming to know any of these answers, but it's always worth to question one's assumptions about everything, since beliefs can be and often are the only thing standing in the way of being open to otherwise unthought of ideas and possibilities. What's even more exciting is to follow the ramifications of the impossible ideas, especially of the ideas that we originally thought were impossible/unlikely/illogical. What if all of Self dies, when you die, and "you" still continue existing?
@MrNikkudim If you could explain how "You" would exist and your "Self" wouldn't - what is "you" but not your "self"? Is it your "soul"? Is it your "memories"? Is it something outside the realms of current human understanding? If it is illogical, and thus fits through every hold in a logical argument, then how does it work? Can something exist in our plane of reality without subscribing to any of it's rules? If you want to allow their metaphysics in to your beliefs, by all means -
Continued - just note that it is your willing suspension of disbelief that allows you to do that, and not everyone will have the same allowances.
I pointed out many times that I am not accusing her of anything - just pointing out the issues of the cosmology and their apparent set up. They claim all these grandiose gestures and connections, yet they fall short under simple scrutiny. They REQUIRE belief, they don't foster or encourage it...
@shadowbrowncoat (1) You make intelligent and logical points, indeed. For me, the idea isn't about whether Desteni is true or false (the channeling, the spirits' identity or their message). That is utterly impossible for me to know, even when employing the most awesome tools of logic and retorics. My ideas/questions about Self is meant in a general manner, to test other people's openness to question their own logic. Any logic may contain holes, that are invisible until scrutinized. It doesn't-
(2) -in any way mean that I can find those holes myself, and that's not really my interest. My purpose is only to see if someone is willing to re-test their arguments against their own scrutiny. It's always interesting to see the reactions and responses. It may be that I'm missing the point of your argument entirely, that I am discussing something else than what we were really discussing, but that's okay, because it only means I wasn't discussing that in the first place. I'm all about nonsense.
i think wat shes sayin is that the "spirit" (dimensional being) is not actually the spirit of the person they used 2 be, rather its the dimensional being that used 2 dwell in the physical body of the man 'Hitler'. the tru dimensional being never came thru cuz Hitler was actually the construction of a false self that we would just normally regard as personality. cause Hitler, as a human physical body and mind, was stuck in this construct n he wasnt aware of dimensional stuff. sumthn like that lol
@WeAreBullets That is all a dogma. It requires belief. It has yet to be proven and you believe it as if it were true. It cult psychology. Charles Manson worked the same way.
Um...It's 100% obvious to any sane person that the girl is schizophrenic. She doesn't "channel" spirits. Centuries ago, people with mental illnesses were seen as being possessed by the devil. We've come a long way since then, and the vast majority of people no longer believe in that superstitious nonsense (because it's simply not true). I feel bad for the girl and I hope she gets help, because right now she's just thinking in circles, trapped in her own mind.
@MisterBaAcKiTcH because!! there is no such thing as language with a tongue. A spirit can gain knowledge necessary to communicate with the language humans use.
I have been looking at destini videos for a while now and I have come to either one of 2 conclusions: this girl is completely full of shit and should be some kind of literary
genius( that's alot of dialogue to spew out at will) or #2 : she has seriously had the proverbial wool pulled her eyes and is being manupulated by dark forces (who is she to know what these beings are saying is true they exist to manipulate satan is the father of all lies) she reveils that which is forbidden knowledge...
@sk1972 why would you say dark forces? There is no real light/dark. However, this binary worl does hold the such. No one is being manipulated here, only us humans who are controlled by the government to act and believe what is "normal." Thus, you push her aside because we're not used to it.
the thing i don't get about her videos is that she just closes her eyes and takes a few breaths and the next thing she has channeled Hitler or an alien just don't buy any of it seems like a cult and from looking at the comments on her videos when someone questions her all the people that believe her are outraged with comments like don't you know who she is no i don't
@fuckthedee1 this "breathing" is a way of breathing that humans have got out of touch with. That is why you see it as weird. Hitler and aliens are all just energy. Since we are one with all, we can call upon anyone. Of course, this takes practice since we are so out of touch and many regard this as fake and such. Christianity is more of a cult--teaching people to hate what the bible says to hate.
@WhatGirlNow Ive researched all video's their videos and they are nothing but cult superstition. The girl that claims to be a 'channeler' or 'portal' is nothing but a fake aimed at luring gullible people like you without any questioning. It is exactly the way Charles Manson worked. Research dissociative identity disorder.
I'm an expert on religious and spiritual ideologies. Understanding worldviews and paradigms are my a couple of my specialties - Dimensional Communication falls into that as Destini is attempting to claim being a Medium...
And to those who critique the background of my video - at the time I lived in a bachelor apartment, so my space was limited. I'm glad you found her creative, but to blind yourself to the inconsistencies is to give blind faith which has never done anyone any good.
Sounds like your jelous of sunsette, , You who has their karate belts on full view and your certs right behind you, i found it very intresting what she said had to say and very very creative how it was put across.
[cont'd from previous] I spent time investigating 9/11 truth. My first experience w/ this issue started w/ a handout that was given to me - my knee jerk reaction to this was...just another conspiracy {JFK assassination}. Much later on, I decided to take a look at '9/11 truth' videos. My head was spinning from the overwhelming evidence pointing towards - inside job. Again - either you 'get it' or you don't, that's all.
QUOTE - Yet such concepts relating to consciousness are reviled by the Destini principles.
This position inherently stems from essentially just one thing {as I see it}...the lack of understanding of the material presented.
My own experience has been that people either 'get it' or they don't. Let me explain.
A lot of different topics such as 9/11 or 'reptilians' are hot button issues for many who have not taken the time to investigate these things. [cont'd]
@SamTxr I watched every single one of their videos to see what they were on about up to a point when they first started. They seem to have no understanding of their own material as evidenced by the hundreds of inherent contradictions therein so how can anybody possibly understand it. If you are denying they are against concepts such as mind, conciousness, emotion, enlightenment, love, compassion then you have not investigated them properly.
@SamTxr I never "lost interest", I saw it for what it was and Mr Poolman for what he is - you seem to be conveniently ignoring the shortcomings I am pointing out.
You rejected it outright. I did not, I looked into it further. I first came upon their material when I was watching the 'Tel-Evil-Sion' series on You Tube. I was looking for 'shape shifters', and happened upon Sunette - doing the video on 'Trancing'. I thought to put up a negative comment [thought I spotted something], but was not allowed. Later on, I came back to this video, and tried to make sense of it. It went from there, and I gradually became more intrigued.
@SamTxr I rejected it outright after many things which came to light surrounding Destini - it was difficult not to. I will say that there are smatterings of truth which drew me in about things eg. "consciousness mind systems" but as I say this is all recycled and repackaged from other sources, not Bernard or the "portal" who is a mediocre actress at best. Mind systems, emotions and the mind are unavoidable steps to knowing the true Self, they are not the enemy as Destini suggests.
@snelopy QUOTE: Mind systems, emotions and the mind are unavoidable steps to knowing the true Self, they are not the enemy as Destini suggests.
Desteni does not suggest that mind is the enemy. The suggestion to stop the mind is referring to mind consciousness system, and it's byproducts - thoughts, feelings, emotions...identifying with the byproducts of the (mind consciousness) system is the suppression of one's true expression of self. Enslaved minds are what's not best for all.
@SamTxr You haven't watched their videos properly. I have seen several videos where the mind itself was vilified unless they saw some holes in their philosophy and backtracked which wouldn't surprise me.
The mind as mind consciousness system is...but not mind itself, there is a video about this, but you have already made up your mind, so I won't waste my time.
@SamTxr I re-iterate: All in all you seem to have become very knowledgeable in someone else's philosophy, being able to argue small points (but not critical ones), claiming your enthuisiasm for this knowledge is based upon research. Isn't one of the fundamental Destini principles that knowledge is useless? Also does any of this research come from first-hand experience, apart from seeing a video where you thought you saw a shape-shifting reptilian? Have you seen a mind system for example?
@SamTxr It is somewhat amusing that you point out I have already made up my mind since changing my mind would require accepting their belief system. I try and be free of all belief systems, something destini champions yet do the complete opposite of - contradictions mount yet again. I'm surprised you can't see this but perhaps their belief systems serve your ideas about yourself well, because only the created self (as systems) needs beliefs to be secure, not the true self which is fearless.
@SamTxr In any event, because I am sensitive to energy, I cannot actually listen to a Destini video without becoming physically ill due to all the discarnates and low frequencies which come through the voices of Bernard and Sunnette. I would not want to subject myself to that nor anyone else for that matter.
"@SamTxr In any event, because I am sensitive to energy, I cannot actually listen to a Destini video without becoming physically ill due to all the discarnates and low frequencies which come through the voices of Bernard and Sunnette. I would not want to subject myself to that nor anyone else for that matter."
@SamTxr Regarding one's true expression of self, do Destini really know what that is? Somehow I doubt that. In fact everything they are doing is an expression of a point of view including emotions, a system, which they would have us become indoctrinated into or else we're not standing for equality and oneness. This is enslavement. The followers just regurgitate someone else's point of view, using the terms from their belief system. How is this different from any mind programming?
@SamTxr Nothing is not in Self, including all mind by-products. Self is everything and can be expressed in any form without condition. I agree completely that indentifiction with only certain aspects thereof is limiting, but it is in no way a suppression at all of the true Self - it is an allowance of the expression of free will by what I call unconditional love. Viewing it as suppression is truly sad - this just creates mind systems of self-judgement and fear: "I have to be free of my systems!"
@SamTxr I also find it interesting how people just accept everything they produce after expecting us to accept no other belief systems as being real. I would think this is obvious but then again they are being manipulated by their own emotional issues (eg. frustration with commerce, survival issues, guilt etc.) which Destini plays on very cleverly. Again, all follwers find their leaders, all victims their tyrants - that's how polarities work, until they're forgiven as wisdom and overcome.
@SamTxr A more healthy solution to me would be to overcome these emotional issues on an individual basis before seeking solutions, because otherwise we just keep living for them: to be programmed and kept in the "system". If we no longer have these triggers then we take our power back. If Destini followed the little truth in their philosophy, then this would seem self-evident but they do the reverse - their followers all seem angry and self-righteous (and fearful); us vs them not us is them!
@snelopy QUOTE: ...they do the reverse - their followers all seem angry and self-righteous (and fearful); us vs them not us is them!
It has to do w/ self-responsibility, which has quite a distinct meaning in terms of what is accepted and allowed...
...it's a process, that does involve time...this statement of yours, that they all seem such, and such, is just that, a perception, but based on your statements against Desteni in general, that is to be expected...
@SamTxr My synopsis of Destini members emotional reactions is based on psychic and "common sense" evaluations based on common human behaviours we all share - if they cannot see this themselves its because they are blinded by their emotions, their systems are speaking and reacting for them. They should at least walk their talk if they want to be taken seriously and not act from their own mind systems and emotions.
@SamTxr Self-responsibility has to do with acknowledging and dealing with one's own creations and in no way justifies their emotional reactions which defy accepting responsibility for the very systems which triggered them. It also has nothing to do with impinging what you deem acceptable and allowable by your own point of view upon someone else - that is a form of enslavement.
@SamTxr All in all you seem to have become very knowledgeable in someone else's philosophy, being able to argue small points (but not critical ones), claiming your enthuisiasm for this knowledge is based upon research. Isn't one of the fundamental Destini principles that knowledge is useless? Also does any of this research come from first-hand experience, apart from seeing a video where you thought you saw a shape-shifting reptilian? Have you seen a mind system for example?
QUOTE - If you are denying they are against concepts such as mind, conciousness, emotion, enlightenment, love, compassion then you have not investigated them properly.
No, I'm not denying this...except for compassion - which is guided by principles. As far as the other things - it's hard to explain - I had the same problem with a friend who I thought would be interested, and at first, yes.
What tripped him up eventually, was the 'mind' thing, and 'consciousness'.
@SamTxr True compassion is an expression of true Self, it is not restricted by principles but then again this also violates Destini principles because it is an emotion therefore it is not real. Destini's message is so appealing because it plays on emotions which is the very thing they deny! Emotions themselves have a physical chemical counterpart within the physical body therefore either the physical body is not real or emotions are real - they can't seem to clarify such a basic point though.
@snelopy QUOTE: Emotions themselves have a physical chemical counterpart within the physical body therefore either the physical body is not real or emotions are real - they can't seem to clarify such a basic point though.
I believe they have made this clear, you simply may not agree. As I see it, these are components of the mind consciousness system. The mind consciousness system, as opposed to the mind itself. There's a distinct difference.
@SamTxr Make no mistake; they present an appealing message to those who are fed up with the status quo - it's the reason I watched their videos. Yet the reason we're in this mess is because we are ignorant and fearful, we've allowed ourselves to be programmed with the notion that we live only to survive - only the top dog survives. The only way to overcome this is to understand ourselves and our own inner truth, to become fearless. It's an individual process but others can lead by example.
@SamTxr The saints of India and Tibet are good role models. They don't make videos on youtube and talk endlessly about the same thing - they just do it and expect nothing in return. One might argue that Mr Poolman & Co are helping to educate the public yet the very thing that will change humanity they are advocating we deny. They claim "mind" is not real, that only the physical is real. How can we overcome fear and ignorance if we adopt this attitude?! This notion perpetuates survival mentality.
QUOTE - The saints of India and Tibet are good role models. They don't make videos on youtube and talk endlessly about the same thing...
Mr. Poolman has made his information more accessible, more readily available...otherwise I may have never happened upon this information. Do you not see the value of this, if not in the message itself?
@SamTxr It's quite easy to prove to yourself that mind is real and that everything physical exists within mind: telekinesis, or healing people of physical ailments using the power of the mind. If we realised we all this potential within us the world would be a very different place.
QUOTE - Yet if these aspects are pointed out or questioned then immediately the defence is "you are being dishonest" and the inference that one is against such noble principles.
This is where I perceive a lot of the friction to be coming from. Let me just say this - they are a small group really, and they've got a lot of people coming at them w/ stuff...they simply don't have the time to walk people through each, and every issue.
In your first statement you say I am holding firm - PLEASE...
My stance to state it simply is one in which I am currently, {and honestly}...engaged in watching the 'opposition' videos w/ out bias.
Also - you state that I sound unsure...that's not quite it, I am simply investigating the issues brought up by the opposition to see if there is actually any merit to them.
Prove me wrong, but so far nothing...just baseless allegations.
@SamTxr I have no interest in proving anything to you except to point out that you are violating the principles put forth by Destini and you will find it is simply impossible not to. If you truly stood for concepts like honesty, equality etc what would it matter what anyone said of Mr Poolman and Destini. Instead you seem more interested in who is right and wrong and therefore you are being dishonest according to Destini principles.
QUOTE - Instead you seem more interested in who is right and wrong and therefore you are being dishonest according to Destini principles.
Don't get me wrong, as I stated here {or perhaps elsewhere}, I've been checking out what the 'opposition' is saying to investigate their claims, for my own educational purposes, that's all.
@SamTxr I'm not implying that you don't really care about equality, honesty etc. just that you don't need an organisation or a belief system or a guru to do that. The true Self does not need to investigate anything either way, only Self-created sub-personalities require proof to validate their existence. If for example you discovered without doubt that Mr Poolman was a conartist, would your worldview fall apart? The true Self is not afraid of such questions.
QUOTE: I'm not implying that you don't really care about equality, honesty etc. just that you don't need an organisation or a belief system or a guru to do that.
You're not considering the value I find in Mr. Poolman - but that's OK. For instance just a little while ago I watched one of his more in-depth videos {1 Reptilian Star Wars}. You see my friend, I do value what he has to offer. In fact I saw this same video a while ago, but upon watching it again I was blown away, wowed.
@SamTxr Obviously you do find value in Mr Poolman - I wouldn't have not considered this. But be careful now - if you are wowed by him and his material then it does imply you are venerating belief systems based on emotional responses which are not real. He is correct in that as long as you live from your personality, "follower" mind systems will always be attracted to "leader" mind systems. I have experience absolving these things from people so I can attest to the truth of this.
@snelopy QUOTE: "But be careful now - if you are wowed by him and his material then it does imply you are venerating belief systems based on emotional responses which are not real".
It doesn't necessarily mean I'm venerating a belief. I'm wowed for certain reasons...OK, let me state it like this...if you take the basic premise that you'll learn about in the History of Man series, yes - this could all be one big fabrication, a lie. Yet, what is presented as I see it, is quite plausible.
@SamTxr My point is that being wowed is an emotional response and therefore it is questionable from Destini's perspective. The material he presents is borrowed from other sources and given a psychotic twist. The basis for Destini's philosphies is stolen from Ramtha for instance.
ppl out of common sence and worship slaves of mind system stfu bcoz u'r not make it eny easyer. Just mind ur buiss, zip it and shove it deep-deep down. Thank u
@Comrade420BoB really? Did you miss the whole "I know what you're trying to say" part of the video? The point of the video is to illustrate that a good message written in poop is still a message written in poop - it is up to others if they want to believe it or not... I just disagree with the faulty logic in her cosmology, and the methods they use to proselytize their message...
@shadowbrowncoat She channels dark entities to manipulate people . I believe she is a slave for the dark brotherhood . Although she has a south african accent , she cud have been an abductee , / experiment for the greys .
the people in the interviews are DEAD - that is why no personalities exist - that is what goes at death - best to be self honest when one have no actual understanding of the afterlife and how it works
Most phenomenal thing about Desteni are the followers to me. I don't really get it how people are able to fall for an utter revolting bullshit new age agenda of that stupid kind, of that really cheap low-level hogwash cliche cult crap. Shaving heads included. What the hell is wrong with them. It's so embarrassing to see weak,naive,gullible,disaffected,plain dumb young folks giving themselves up just like that.
I saw this Destini series recently because now they have Chinese channel which is quite dangerous. It's fascinating to some extent, the whole story. But further investigate their main forum, they charge HIGH for some spiritual training course...
@luckylangerie LOL that's true. The leader uses the girls for his sexual gratification and has manipulated them to the extent that they are afraid to leave him.
@adriandrum True I have never nor would I care to meet Bernard Poolman . I am from South Africa, I have spoken to people who know him and the girls and even if it isn't true, there are enough contributing factors which led me to try and help people realise they were being brainwashed by a sociopath. "Self-honestly" my comment was made in a moment of weakness, sigh. The irony is that most Destini followers (and leaders) scramble to their defence most unself-honestly as an emotional outburst.
@adriandrum Any emotional reaction according to Destini, including defenciveness, is not real, that includes caring for self-honesty. Apart from many such inconsistencies, the fact that a Destini follower can accept everything without question (eg about the dead interviews) and defend using their very words (eg self-honesty), defies being self-honest about being programmed by yet another system. It's fine to be angry about the status quo but you can think for yourself too. Enough with gurus!
@adriandrum I could go into endless details about my research into the Destini group, including the fact that, depending on your psychic development, you would see many lower astral entities and ET's manipulating Bernard & Co into amassing followers, beings that don't want people to develop their consciousness because otherwise we would see what was really going on and they would lose their power over us (ironically their message of self-honesty being the height of deception).
@adriandrum I do care about honesty though, which is not what Bernard stands for, so yes I'll admit my weakness which unfortunately may have garnered more attention for the Destini group. Self-honesty and forgiveness IS good, just no need to create a religion about it. However I accept that all victims find their tyrants in this world; all the manipulated their manipulators; all followers their leaders. My comments in this regard are for those who desire honesty AND sovereignty.
@adriandrum If anything adriandrum, ignore all I've said and ask yourself 1 question: "what if everything Destini is about is a lie?" And be VERY honest with yourself.
I've been following Desteni's message. Let me answer it this way: there are people who are on here, sharing their doubts about Desteni. Although I don't always agree w/ their tactics, which at times are simply biased. I have been spending time watching, and listening to these 'opposition' videos to see what I can learn. So far nothing has yet moved me to be against Desteni's message. The attacks on Mr. Poolman bother me, because I believe he is an honest man. Prove me wrong.
@SamTxr You do realise that by holding firm onto the belief system that Destini has presented you that your are violating one of Mr Poolman's salient philosphies by enaging in conciousness mind systems? You also sound unsure otherwise you would not require proof of his dishonesty. I only say this to point out the inherent dishonesty within the contradictions brought forth by this man.
@SamTxr What many Destini follwers are blind to is the fact the the concepts of self honesty and self forgiveness as well as equality in themselves are noble concepts which nobody is arguing against - it is the context in which they are presented and the motives behind them. Yet if these aspects are pointed out or questioned then immediately the defence is "you are being dishonest" and the inference that one is against such noble principles.
@SamTxr Ironically the fact that a defence is required against people questioning the Destini group is proof that what is presented is a mind conciousness belief system since being defensive is an emotional response. Again another contradiction and proof of dishonesty of the group. Truth is self-evident and radiates from within the true Self - it requires no defence. Yet such concepts relating to consciousness are reviled by the Destini principles.
@Timeofflux I remember playing a character in a play - but am I that character? I remember a television show, but am I those characters?
To assert there is a single, unchanging 'something' that exists 'somewhere' is no different than projecting an understanding of that something without fully disclosing or investigating the nature of it. It's similar to a hollow chocolate bunny at easter - it is defined by it's size, shape, texture, etc... but there is nothing inside...
@Timeofflux Then can it really be called "Kurt Cobain"?
We are a composition of our experiences through societal and environmental factors - catalyzed through language and the ability to project and extrapolate/interpolate meaning from actions, tone, and colour...
If we take someones memories away, are they the same person? Now, take the body away - are they the same?
Is the caterpillar the same as the butterfly? The Acorn the same as the oak tree? Transformation changes the very nature of the 'thing' being described.
So, to "lose the identity" is to ultimately change the very concept being described...
@Timeofflux The issue is in the 'proof'... A declaration of a "who" without any other corroboration, or other quantifiable acts (such as providing personal clues - dates, specifics that can be proven by people who knew the personalities). And if everyone returns to the "dimensions" loses their 'self' identity, is this not a confusion to the very application of 'channelling' a personality/self identity?
@Timeofflux And this assertion is based on what proof? My video? Does it look like I'm angsty? Confused?
Is my argument so muddled that it is 'confused'? No. Again, define a "self" - every "self". Then think about the concept of multiple personality disorder - how does one become another? Certain things change inherently. Now think about possession - how can one self selectively show any single part of the whole as proof of it being that "self"?
@shadowbrowncoat Continued: That is like saying that just because you feel something smooth with one sense that the object is a table...
A "self" is a composite notion, and thus the qualities that compose it are just as much the definition and delineation between one 'self' and another - And her arguements both preclude the notion of a 'defined self' as well as depend on famous 'self' portrayals to ratify her claims...
@Timeofflux Define "Self"... Within that definition you will find the conflation to the notion she posits (because she declares that she "is" someone, yet also proselytizes that "you" are no longer "you" in the 'dimensions') and you will find the premise of my arguement is not mine to begin with... it is the logical paradox of her creation.
Desteni can only get so far. Reasonable people outside of the weak-minded folks found via the internet won't buy this -- you're right. The worst, most hilarious part about Desteni (besides the blantant contradictions) is that they will FIND those who present arguments against them and shoot them down within MINUTES, I mean it's absurd -- they have a response to everything because they're so decieved in themselves. They just released a video calling themself the New World Order. Save yourself.
I think it's about infusing us with so much knowledge that we eventually stop searching for knowledge and just live...
For example, to force someone to quit smoking, the cigarettes shouldn't be taken away from the smoker...They should be placed in a small room and force them to smoke a carton or two of cigarettes...Either they quit on their own or they remove themselves by smoking themselves to death...That's my perspective on what they are doing...Not a bad thing....It's called tough love
@cdcook1212 Okay - if she is supposedly channelling Bruce Lee, and acts in a way that Bruce Lee wouldn't, is it really him? Just because she says she's him doesn't mean she is - without proof. And the amalgam effectations of a "self' are only provable by those who know them - is a South African really South African without an accent or other recognizable association? If you see a signature stating Bruce Lee, is it his signature if it bears no resemblence whatsoever?
@Frosti2008 I just don' t agree with how she's going about it. I'm not going to say there is or is not a self, I have my own beliefs, but honestly her/their machinations (pun intended) should be tested - as well all notions of belief. If you just accept things blindly, then You as a being are just being led to believe what others do. If you are willing to explore the logic, and can understand where your leaps of faith come from - then it is your path, your research, and your faith...
@cdcook1212 I guess you don't see the non-sense in your counter argument... First - any self-identifying being that distinguishes and differentiates itself from others would be a "someone" and not an expression or culmination of someones based on a belief of rebirth or reincarnation. This by consquence would posit that if there were some form of "celestial realm" from which a being could communicate, there would be a residual solely based on the fact they associate with a "self".
This only reiterates my point - that her adoption of a "self" as previously owned by another into the husk that is her shell only conflates the cosmological notions that are being presented. Where is the authority of the character she's portraying outside of the word she presents? And to borrow the fame of these people to preach an sad amalgam of classic chinese philosophy and attempt to "modernize" it by saying "oh, they were close... here's the truth" is deceitful and preys upon the gullible
I see some bias in Desteni production but I wont express my opinion on that because im so high right now. if they are truly enlighten then why are they so freaken hardcore.
the universe is what it is and we are all but a intercepting spec of thought and energy in a infinitely epic incomprehensible "something"
why look for anything more just that thought alone puts me at ease.
Really? You're saying that their message changes the more videos one sees?
And if she still uses popular culture references to ratify her message in those, then I would be led to believe that someone has missed the message of my video...
Whats the best way to get people to listen to you. Channel famous people and tell everyone they said it.
Easy .
Guess what, I just channeled Sitting Bull. He says Desteni needs to go out of white middle class suburbia, into the ghettos and take a good 'honest' look at the starving children on her own doorstep.
I had a tough time not using the word "deusche bag" when commenting on DesteniProductions' videos. Epic fail on her part to coherently explain anything resembling logic. Not a single cogent though crossed her lips throughout the entire video, and I honestly felt as if my IQ had dropped several points after viewing it.
Yes, the lack of diversity being brought through by the spirits communicating through her vessel was a red flag for me. I've tried to be very open minded through 50 some odd videos, but the air of their attitude towards questions and general curious ignorance is very superior and cult-like. I'm turned off by their message. I suppose I'll be damned then.
They don't care or actually believe in portals or channelings or any of that. They are hard core pol pot communists who use that to try to hypnotize people into accepting their hardline communist agenda. Theyr'e group is PURELY Political in nature. Well. Either that or theyr'e a whacked out Satanic Cult. I haven't really figured out which yet.
Hey man I would be offended too. The desteni agenda is to replay the same old thing over and over again. Killing fields never ending. You have every right to be offended in my opinion.
Shes mimicking cult leader bernardthepoolman's vocal expressions.... You should see the reptoid enki vids then youll truly understand how deep they're insanity really goes...
cult members spamann hot hot hot wont have a steak dinner with me lol :(
darryl probaly the smartest one there..
mayb needs to be rescued and brought bac to the us .. They practice the normal cult propaganda techniques with one sided vids,, massive censoring ,,through their network of cult members. cont....
controlling opposition,,questioning by abusive blocking/banning:) methods on yt and their forum... ,,,,I guess the logic is to be all over the internet with this bs lil feelers of bs everywhere eventually someone will fall for it ... someone looking to belong to fill a void in their life..
I guess thats doing the rest of us a favor ..
This cult does not favor, individuality ,freewill,,, questions common sense logic .Humanity wont forgive them, they will have to forgive themselves.
SpamAnn... The pride of Desteni. Smiles when she talks, lovingly pets her dog while on video, still has relationship with her parents, feeds chickens, seems to care for animals, seems to make some decent veggie meals. She seems almost perfect until her brainwashed mind starts spewing out all that communist stupidity about Equal Money and her definitions of who are abusers etc.. Wow, if only she could deprogram that, she would be perfect :)
Two issues - If what defines us as "us" no longer resonates, then why do these "echoes" self identify? 2) Echoes, or "sound signatures" as you call them, cannot change the original form - THUS all these discussions should solely be reiterations from their actions etc, to which none of the current overtomes line up to previous actions or statements. This is a case you the "faithful" not engaging their critical mind to question... which is okay - just don't get bitchy when others do.
And to use the "you haven't read/ viewed everything" arguement, while alluding to the whole "everything is revealed when you read everything and if you don't understand then you're obviously not trying" sentiment is classic to standard religious mindsets. The actions of the followers are not much different than those of a cult that believe their leader is the reincarnation or revelation of a previous iconic figure... And don't try to use the "mind is a crutch" argument either -
because then you create the issue that experience is the only teacher/proof - thus discrediting the whole oracle role. It's the classic Zen paradox - "if enlightenment is instant and personal, then why spend time following a teacher?" If you can experience the love of these dimesional realms (whatever), then why do you need someone to tell you about them while portraying readily recognized persons? To ratify the "other beings"? Thus = logical conflation... 1 =false, the other loses credibility
u are going into watching "her" vids expecting it to be something that u want it to be.. perhaps if you watched ALL the vids..you can gain perspective. Or visit the Desteniproduction Channel.
Also, she is not "envoking spirits" with that statement, comes pre-defined notions n pictures. She breathes in, and leaves the body in the breath out, then the breath in is the being stepping in. Simple. Within the breath. No mind movement: thoughts/feelings/emotions.
Uh huh... And you don't see the issues this causes?
And frankly, are "all as one as equal". Do you mourn the passing of a gnat? Do you mourn the passing of a spider/lion/wolf? Or does "all" only refer to humans? Issue.
Second - Thoughts/Feelings/Emotions... so, what? Reactivity? Even the Tao and Zen have recognition that these are necessary components - to not have ANY of the above would be relatively animalistic and banal don't you think? Do you see the issues?
i so agree with you. she needs to get a lfe and stop putting on an act. the kid knows exactly what shes doing, she's charging money for her products, look at her website. ;)
you're being 2 nice-"she" is full of shit, there are holes in all her famous people stories-1 of the most glaring is her mis-pronunciation of Aleister Crowley's name-
The human brain works through PHYSICAL connections. The PHYSICAL connections or wireing, peaks in the first few years of life. (this is why you cant speak at birth). The connections allow everything from INDIVIDUAL LANGUAGE, Thought Processes, PERSONAL MANURISMS & PERSONAL IDENTITY! This preclude's a being from its own personal manurisms while in another's body. So SUNETTE'S body IS behaiv'ing EXACTLY as it should when somone els is at the wheel. Will SHADOWBROWNCOAT respond with an ANSWER here?
If there is, in her cosmology, this limitation on the human brain - then where is the nexus for the supposed "beings" or "avatars" or the personages (all combinations of a multitude of experiences, etc. that compile into a personally and externally identified, supposedly "true" object called a "self" or the "I/Me"... which ALL are required to identify a person beyond simply a name... I can call myself by your name, does that make me you? Without your composition, and background, am "I" "You"?
And to utilize your weak metaphor of a driver in another car - The shell looks the same despite the driver, I grant you that - but the road rage experienced, the gestures, the driving skill, and EVERYTHING that defines that drivers capacity is still expressed within that car - And THAT doesn't come across in her supposed channels. Sunettes body being the "car" only displays actions consistent with EVERY OTHER driver she supposedly has at the wheel...
Compile a list of what "defines you as 'you'", and then ask other people the same question... then ask someone of a different dialect/language/cultural background... you will find that the things that define you for you, and for others, have overlap... and the things I mention about the expression of self (which is what others see, not what you think you are projecting) constitute a large portion of that which "defines" you
First, i do respect you as a fellow human being, and have noticed the vast majority of your comments are comming from what must seem like a very logical place to you. In response to your logic, i gave you an answer that contradicted YOUR OWN VIEWS on what YOU (apparently the expert on the matter) thought about why the beings dont display more of their own "self as U so elequently put it. ("Id LIKE to think that there is a certain aspect of SELF that would come through".
No... you attempted a semantic differential - but contradict your own argument by attempting to invalidate my own tool of logic with the subjective notions of experience,etc. but by clinging to the notions of linguistic argument you subscribe to the rules of that engagement - which creates contention to your premise...
Shadowbrowncoat: I am not aware of ONE faith or disciplin that carries the same message unless you go fence hopping and start combineing more than one disciplin. You say at the beginning of your vid " i am not impressed". Hmmmmmm? I can ashure you none of the vids were done from an entertainment perspective, even the commedy has a message i see, and they were not made to "IMPRESS" YOU or anyone'els for that matter, while your video is clearly here to "IMPRESS" YOUR WISDOM ON US & YOURSELF.
Learn to spell... And the message she preaches is inherent in many disciplines - she is guilty of doing the "faux pas" you are professing... Her message isn't new... Her prosletyzing is just old thought(eastern thought, such as Confuscianism, Taoism, Buddhism, and Zen... interestingly from cultures that are immensely older than the ones you are likely familiar with...) wrapped in an apparent new guise, capilizing on the collective imagination of people who watched the Matrix, and are hoping
that there is some external locus of control, and blame, for the ills of the world. My answer was polite, and is extremely experiential as well as academic... There are a lot of things NOT mentioned in this video, and the aspects of "Self" she is positing are only notions of belief - Habeus Spiritus...
Shadowbrowncoat: What do U think about DeSTeNi's message of ONENESS & EQUALITY for all? In relation to OUR current segregated world government's & money system(s) wich tend to favor a Heirearchical Society in wich millions STARVE & DIE, others drive FERRARI'S and U & I are typing here on YouTube....... Also please feel free to correct me here if i am wronge, in response to a comment of yours, but wich other faiths or disciplins teach the FULL INTACT message of DESTENI in such a commonsense way?
Again to shadowbrowncoat: You seem driven in your responses (to desteni) by fear. Fear of hitler, stallin ect. ("Gee why cant they just stick to pop icons")? Give me a break if pop icons are your ideas of people/beings of wisdom man....... Be honest with yourself, instead of trying to use a vid to justify and support your own doubts/fears with the portal/sunettes ability.
i noticed averything you mentioned and i agree.
TheRealTrigCove 1 month ago
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Good Riddance to the whole Desteni Productions whoreshit... It was a huge scam... The evil voice of Bernard Poolman alone was enough to tell you that something was really up. Also the apparent girl/boy whatever named Max channeling other past on species and/or plant life was another crock of shit. All mind control.
WorldOfChaos2001 1 month ago
well said...people dont read enough Dr. Gary Swartz works with serious mediuns, I highly rcommended really about his escientific reasearch on that
Cintxa 5 months ago
Good observation, bro
What i find strange is that the channeling girl is always looking to the left in her videos. Every spirit who enters always looks to the left after 10 or 15 seconds. Like its reading the kewords she wrote down.
They say "for no stone is left unturned"
Is that one of the reasons why they block people just by some questions they do not want to answer.
Desteni people are afraid of any negative reaction and its because it will be seen by other desteni dreamers.
zumobster 8 months ago
You are right. Well-done. Thank you.
VenusAsABoyFilms 8 months ago
I may be wrong - but I wouldn't have though accents would transfer over to the sprit world. I just can't see why they would.
weirdcitykid 10 months ago
@weirdcitykid Would you agree that a person speaks the languages they knew in life? Language is intrinsic to our sense of self - and it's expression and nuance are key components to the expression of who we are. To say we lose all that is to lose a part of our sense of self. So, if someone expresses themselves in language that is not their primary, they are then likely to do so with an accent. To say that "when we die we don't have an accent" is to assert that we lose a part of ourselves.
shadowbrowncoat 10 months ago
@shadowbrowncoat
You could probably convince me the sky is pink with that Socratic style of arguing...lol..and while I agree that language is heavily linked to self - I just cannot imagine French and Italian spirits. The self is far deeper than that I think - you refer to the social self - the one that is constrained to say "I'm fine thanks" whenever anyone asks "how are you?". Even when we are not fine.
I think the self is without language or memory - a pure self something almost primal.
weirdcitykid 10 months ago
@weirdcitykid Think about it for a moment - What is a person? What is this "self" that we believe we have? It is an amalgamation of a myriad of things ranging from how we walk, which hand we use primarily, the verbage we use when we speak, our slang, our physical quirks when we walk/talk - and those things are just the start! If someone claims to be channeling a spirit, it could be anyone. If they claim to channel a SPECIFIC spirit, then these quirks and idiosyncrasies MUST be present
shadowbrowncoat 10 months ago
@weirdcitykid Without those idiosyncrasies, then that 'spirit' could be anyone. I don't know about you, but my thoughts are in English as it is my primary language. If I speak Chinese or Japanese, you can hear my English accent as I am not an accomplished practitioner of these languages. Thus, it stands to reason, should the concept that is "Me" pass on and become a 'spirit', when someone calls upon "me" for a seance and I start speaking fluently in Chinese or Japanese it wouldn't be "me"
shadowbrowncoat 10 months ago
@shadowbrowncoat Why do you think people believe in this garbage? Its dogma and it requires belief.
freudian456 8 months ago
@weirdcitykid You will note I did not refer to the "social self", but I can see how you may have seen it implied. In the "social self", how we respond would also be idiosyncratic. The words we use, the inflection, the tone, the level of dismissal or honesty to the question, the perceived expectations... How we react should be easily seen by those who know us as readily identifiable. Self without language or memory seems contradictory to the concept of Self: We are creatures of our experience.
shadowbrowncoat 10 months ago
to continue from "creatures of experience" - Who "we" are is a direct consequence to the decisions we've made in the situations we've been in... To have a "self" that is without memory is like saying that nobody changes over time, or that a person who suffered a debilitating head trauma (or the like) would react exactly as they would have before their trauma. The notion of the "self" and a "soul" are usually confused as interchangeable. Identity is "Self", spiritualism is "Soul"
shadowbrowncoat 10 months ago
@shadowbrowncoat It seems to me that you are referring to a self that is constructed and maintained by and within this physical/material world. That you are talking about the self that originates from our biology (brain) and psychology (mind), directly causing personality and a sense of self identity. This identity which contains all a persons' quirks, unique attributes, history (experience/memory), etc. Imagine this sense of self vanishing when a person dies. Just imagine.
MrNikkudim 6 months ago
@MrNikkudim You're dismissing the logic of the statement. If at any point in time someone or something subscribes or identifies with an ascription, they can not pick and choose what portion to identify with. Imagine this - A spirit claims to be Bruce Lee, and someone claims to channel that spirit. Without ANY of the inflections, mannerisms, memories, or other 'quirks' that would be/could be/are associated to the Conceptualized notion of the combination of these things that is known (1 of 2)
shadowbrowncoat 6 months ago
@MrNikkudim to be "Bruce Lee" (or at least the Bruce Lee that most would know, rather than just some other "Bruce Lee", or "Bruce Li" or "Brooce Lea" - if you get my intention), then by the shear self-identification of STATING they're "Bruce Lee", they are countering the notion that there is a state of Selflessness in the cosmology they claim to exist in. To shed the Self and all it's associations would be to shed even the name they identify with (2... Another comes)
shadowbrowncoat 6 months ago
@MrNikkudim - if they can be called, they maintain a sentiment of the "Self" that is obviously beyond the 'simple biology' you refer to. If a person is just a name, and not an amalgamation of their life experiences (which is tempered and cooled through the language(s) they speak, and the mannerisms through which they would deal with happiness and sadness - which not solely biological functions according to Desteni's 'spirits', as they do speak of these and similar things as well... Simple Logic
shadowbrowncoat 6 months ago
IF, and only if, there is existence after death, and IF this sense of self disappears, what would be left of the person? Would it be utterly annihilated? Why, or why not? How could anything physical continue to exist beyond the physical, if there is non-physical existence after death? Are personality, traits and quirks non-physical in nature or are they solely manifestations of biology, physics and psychology?
MrNikkudim 6 months ago
I'm not claiming to know any of these answers, but it's always worth to question one's assumptions about everything, since beliefs can be and often are the only thing standing in the way of being open to otherwise unthought of ideas and possibilities. What's even more exciting is to follow the ramifications of the impossible ideas, especially of the ideas that we originally thought were impossible/unlikely/illogical. What if all of Self dies, when you die, and "you" still continue existing?
MrNikkudim 6 months ago
@MrNikkudim If you could explain how "You" would exist and your "Self" wouldn't - what is "you" but not your "self"? Is it your "soul"? Is it your "memories"? Is it something outside the realms of current human understanding? If it is illogical, and thus fits through every hold in a logical argument, then how does it work? Can something exist in our plane of reality without subscribing to any of it's rules? If you want to allow their metaphysics in to your beliefs, by all means -
shadowbrowncoat 6 months ago
Continued - just note that it is your willing suspension of disbelief that allows you to do that, and not everyone will have the same allowances.
I pointed out many times that I am not accusing her of anything - just pointing out the issues of the cosmology and their apparent set up. They claim all these grandiose gestures and connections, yet they fall short under simple scrutiny. They REQUIRE belief, they don't foster or encourage it...
shadowbrowncoat 6 months ago
@shadowbrowncoat (1) You make intelligent and logical points, indeed. For me, the idea isn't about whether Desteni is true or false (the channeling, the spirits' identity or their message). That is utterly impossible for me to know, even when employing the most awesome tools of logic and retorics. My ideas/questions about Self is meant in a general manner, to test other people's openness to question their own logic. Any logic may contain holes, that are invisible until scrutinized. It doesn't-
MrNikkudim 6 months ago
(2) -in any way mean that I can find those holes myself, and that's not really my interest. My purpose is only to see if someone is willing to re-test their arguments against their own scrutiny. It's always interesting to see the reactions and responses. It may be that I'm missing the point of your argument entirely, that I am discussing something else than what we were really discussing, but that's okay, because it only means I wasn't discussing that in the first place. I'm all about nonsense.
MrNikkudim 6 months ago
i think wat shes sayin is that the "spirit" (dimensional being) is not actually the spirit of the person they used 2 be, rather its the dimensional being that used 2 dwell in the physical body of the man 'Hitler'. the tru dimensional being never came thru cuz Hitler was actually the construction of a false self that we would just normally regard as personality. cause Hitler, as a human physical body and mind, was stuck in this construct n he wasnt aware of dimensional stuff. sumthn like that lol
WeAreBullets 10 months ago
@WeAreBullets That is all a dogma. It requires belief. It has yet to be proven and you believe it as if it were true. It cult psychology. Charles Manson worked the same way.
freudian456 8 months ago
Great video! I completely and entirely agree!!
DjinnMeditation 10 months ago
Um...It's 100% obvious to any sane person that the girl is schizophrenic. She doesn't "channel" spirits. Centuries ago, people with mental illnesses were seen as being possessed by the devil. We've come a long way since then, and the vast majority of people no longer believe in that superstitious nonsense (because it's simply not true). I feel bad for the girl and I hope she gets help, because right now she's just thinking in circles, trapped in her own mind.
intuit13 11 months ago
How all the different spirits speak with the same types of expressions - and all in English!
MisterBaAcKiTcH 1 year ago
@MisterBaAcKiTcH because!! there is no such thing as language with a tongue. A spirit can gain knowledge necessary to communicate with the language humans use.
WhatGirlNow 10 months ago
I have been looking at destini videos for a while now and I have come to either one of 2 conclusions: this girl is completely full of shit and should be some kind of literary
genius( that's alot of dialogue to spew out at will) or #2 : she has seriously had the proverbial wool pulled her eyes and is being manupulated by dark forces (who is she to know what these beings are saying is true they exist to manipulate satan is the father of all lies) she reveils that which is forbidden knowledge...
sk1972 1 year ago
@sk1972 why would you say dark forces? There is no real light/dark. However, this binary worl does hold the such. No one is being manipulated here, only us humans who are controlled by the government to act and believe what is "normal." Thus, you push her aside because we're not used to it.
WhatGirlNow 10 months ago
the thing i don't get about her videos is that she just closes her eyes and takes a few breaths and the next thing she has channeled Hitler or an alien just don't buy any of it seems like a cult and from looking at the comments on her videos when someone questions her all the people that believe her are outraged with comments like don't you know who she is no i don't
anyway good video thanks for posting
fuckthedee1 1 year ago
@fuckthedee1 this "breathing" is a way of breathing that humans have got out of touch with. That is why you see it as weird. Hitler and aliens are all just energy. Since we are one with all, we can call upon anyone. Of course, this takes practice since we are so out of touch and many regard this as fake and such. Christianity is more of a cult--teaching people to hate what the bible says to hate.
WhatGirlNow 10 months ago
@WhatGirlNow Ive researched all video's their videos and they are nothing but cult superstition. The girl that claims to be a 'channeler' or 'portal' is nothing but a fake aimed at luring gullible people like you without any questioning. It is exactly the way Charles Manson worked. Research dissociative identity disorder.
freudian456 8 months ago
Actualy,I'm thinking that accent or dialect is not the primary indicators... The accent in even good channelings comes through sporadically.
MaBu888 1 year ago
I'm an expert on religious and spiritual ideologies. Understanding worldviews and paradigms are my a couple of my specialties - Dimensional Communication falls into that as Destini is attempting to claim being a Medium...
And to those who critique the background of my video - at the time I lived in a bachelor apartment, so my space was limited. I'm glad you found her creative, but to blind yourself to the inconsistencies is to give blind faith which has never done anyone any good.
shadowbrowncoat 1 year ago
are you an expert on dementional comunication?
bigredjimmy95 1 year ago
Sounds like your jelous of sunsette, , You who has their karate belts on full view and your certs right behind you, i found it very intresting what she said had to say and very very creative how it was put across.
bevansoldiers 1 year ago
[cont'd from previous] I spent time investigating 9/11 truth. My first experience w/ this issue started w/ a handout that was given to me - my knee jerk reaction to this was...just another conspiracy {JFK assassination}. Much later on, I decided to take a look at '9/11 truth' videos. My head was spinning from the overwhelming evidence pointing towards - inside job. Again - either you 'get it' or you don't, that's all.
SamTxr 1 year ago
QUOTE - Yet such concepts relating to consciousness are reviled by the Destini principles.
This position inherently stems from essentially just one thing {as I see it}...the lack of understanding of the material presented.
My own experience has been that people either 'get it' or they don't. Let me explain.
A lot of different topics such as 9/11 or 'reptilians' are hot button issues for many who have not taken the time to investigate these things. [cont'd]
SamTxr 1 year ago
@SamTxr I watched every single one of their videos to see what they were on about up to a point when they first started. They seem to have no understanding of their own material as evidenced by the hundreds of inherent contradictions therein so how can anybody possibly understand it. If you are denying they are against concepts such as mind, conciousness, emotion, enlightenment, love, compassion then you have not investigated them properly.
snelopy 1 year ago
@snelopy
QUOTE - I watched every single one of their videos to see what they were on about up to a point...
You see, that's the difference - where as you lost interest, I didn't...and continued my investigation, spurred on by the message.
SamTxr 1 year ago
@SamTxr I never "lost interest", I saw it for what it was and Mr Poolman for what he is - you seem to be conveniently ignoring the shortcomings I am pointing out.
snelopy 1 year ago
@snelopy
You rejected it outright. I did not, I looked into it further. I first came upon their material when I was watching the 'Tel-Evil-Sion' series on You Tube. I was looking for 'shape shifters', and happened upon Sunette - doing the video on 'Trancing'. I thought to put up a negative comment [thought I spotted something], but was not allowed. Later on, I came back to this video, and tried to make sense of it. It went from there, and I gradually became more intrigued.
SamTxr 1 year ago
@SamTxr I rejected it outright after many things which came to light surrounding Destini - it was difficult not to. I will say that there are smatterings of truth which drew me in about things eg. "consciousness mind systems" but as I say this is all recycled and repackaged from other sources, not Bernard or the "portal" who is a mediocre actress at best. Mind systems, emotions and the mind are unavoidable steps to knowing the true Self, they are not the enemy as Destini suggests.
snelopy 1 year ago
@snelopy QUOTE: Mind systems, emotions and the mind are unavoidable steps to knowing the true Self, they are not the enemy as Destini suggests.
Desteni does not suggest that mind is the enemy. The suggestion to stop the mind is referring to mind consciousness system, and it's byproducts - thoughts, feelings, emotions...identifying with the byproducts of the (mind consciousness) system is the suppression of one's true expression of self. Enslaved minds are what's not best for all.
SamTxr 1 year ago
@SamTxr You haven't watched their videos properly. I have seen several videos where the mind itself was vilified unless they saw some holes in their philosophy and backtracked which wouldn't surprise me.
snelopy 1 year ago
@snelopy
The mind as mind consciousness system is...but not mind itself, there is a video about this, but you have already made up your mind, so I won't waste my time.
SamTxr 1 year ago
@SamTxr I re-iterate: All in all you seem to have become very knowledgeable in someone else's philosophy, being able to argue small points (but not critical ones), claiming your enthuisiasm for this knowledge is based upon research. Isn't one of the fundamental Destini principles that knowledge is useless? Also does any of this research come from first-hand experience, apart from seeing a video where you thought you saw a shape-shifting reptilian? Have you seen a mind system for example?
snelopy 1 year ago
@SamTxr It is somewhat amusing that you point out I have already made up my mind since changing my mind would require accepting their belief system. I try and be free of all belief systems, something destini champions yet do the complete opposite of - contradictions mount yet again. I'm surprised you can't see this but perhaps their belief systems serve your ideas about yourself well, because only the created self (as systems) needs beliefs to be secure, not the true self which is fearless.
snelopy 1 year ago
@SamTxr In any event, because I am sensitive to energy, I cannot actually listen to a Destini video without becoming physically ill due to all the discarnates and low frequencies which come through the voices of Bernard and Sunnette. I would not want to subject myself to that nor anyone else for that matter.
snelopy 1 year ago
@snelopy lol good. I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels weird after watching their videos.
They remind me of people who've been tweaking for a coupla days.
like some crazzy crackheads who are going off on tangents that don't make any sense to a sober person.
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@SamTxr
"@SamTxr In any event, because I am sensitive to energy, I cannot actually listen to a Destini video without becoming physically ill due to all the discarnates and low frequencies which come through the voices of Bernard and Sunnette. I would not want to subject myself to that nor anyone else for that matter."
I too am aware of this.
MaBu888 1 year ago
@SamTxr Regarding one's true expression of self, do Destini really know what that is? Somehow I doubt that. In fact everything they are doing is an expression of a point of view including emotions, a system, which they would have us become indoctrinated into or else we're not standing for equality and oneness. This is enslavement. The followers just regurgitate someone else's point of view, using the terms from their belief system. How is this different from any mind programming?
snelopy 1 year ago
@SamTxr Nothing is not in Self, including all mind by-products. Self is everything and can be expressed in any form without condition. I agree completely that indentifiction with only certain aspects thereof is limiting, but it is in no way a suppression at all of the true Self - it is an allowance of the expression of free will by what I call unconditional love. Viewing it as suppression is truly sad - this just creates mind systems of self-judgement and fear: "I have to be free of my systems!"
snelopy 1 year ago
@SamTxr I also find it interesting how people just accept everything they produce after expecting us to accept no other belief systems as being real. I would think this is obvious but then again they are being manipulated by their own emotional issues (eg. frustration with commerce, survival issues, guilt etc.) which Destini plays on very cleverly. Again, all follwers find their leaders, all victims their tyrants - that's how polarities work, until they're forgiven as wisdom and overcome.
snelopy 1 year ago
@SamTxr A more healthy solution to me would be to overcome these emotional issues on an individual basis before seeking solutions, because otherwise we just keep living for them: to be programmed and kept in the "system". If we no longer have these triggers then we take our power back. If Destini followed the little truth in their philosophy, then this would seem self-evident but they do the reverse - their followers all seem angry and self-righteous (and fearful); us vs them not us is them!
snelopy 1 year ago
@snelopy QUOTE: ...they do the reverse - their followers all seem angry and self-righteous (and fearful); us vs them not us is them!
It has to do w/ self-responsibility, which has quite a distinct meaning in terms of what is accepted and allowed...
...it's a process, that does involve time...this statement of yours, that they all seem such, and such, is just that, a perception, but based on your statements against Desteni in general, that is to be expected...
SamTxr 1 year ago
@SamTxr My synopsis of Destini members emotional reactions is based on psychic and "common sense" evaluations based on common human behaviours we all share - if they cannot see this themselves its because they are blinded by their emotions, their systems are speaking and reacting for them. They should at least walk their talk if they want to be taken seriously and not act from their own mind systems and emotions.
snelopy 1 year ago
@SamTxr Self-responsibility has to do with acknowledging and dealing with one's own creations and in no way justifies their emotional reactions which defy accepting responsibility for the very systems which triggered them. It also has nothing to do with impinging what you deem acceptable and allowable by your own point of view upon someone else - that is a form of enslavement.
snelopy 1 year ago
@SamTxr All in all you seem to have become very knowledgeable in someone else's philosophy, being able to argue small points (but not critical ones), claiming your enthuisiasm for this knowledge is based upon research. Isn't one of the fundamental Destini principles that knowledge is useless? Also does any of this research come from first-hand experience, apart from seeing a video where you thought you saw a shape-shifting reptilian? Have you seen a mind system for example?
snelopy 1 year ago
@snelopy
QUOTE - If you are denying they are against concepts such as mind, conciousness, emotion, enlightenment, love, compassion then you have not investigated them properly.
No, I'm not denying this...except for compassion - which is guided by principles. As far as the other things - it's hard to explain - I had the same problem with a friend who I thought would be interested, and at first, yes.
What tripped him up eventually, was the 'mind' thing, and 'consciousness'.
SamTxr 1 year ago
@SamTxr True compassion is an expression of true Self, it is not restricted by principles but then again this also violates Destini principles because it is an emotion therefore it is not real. Destini's message is so appealing because it plays on emotions which is the very thing they deny! Emotions themselves have a physical chemical counterpart within the physical body therefore either the physical body is not real or emotions are real - they can't seem to clarify such a basic point though.
snelopy 1 year ago
@snelopy QUOTE: Emotions themselves have a physical chemical counterpart within the physical body therefore either the physical body is not real or emotions are real - they can't seem to clarify such a basic point though.
I believe they have made this clear, you simply may not agree. As I see it, these are components of the mind consciousness system. The mind consciousness system, as opposed to the mind itself. There's a distinct difference.
SamTxr 1 year ago
@SamTxr Make no mistake; they present an appealing message to those who are fed up with the status quo - it's the reason I watched their videos. Yet the reason we're in this mess is because we are ignorant and fearful, we've allowed ourselves to be programmed with the notion that we live only to survive - only the top dog survives. The only way to overcome this is to understand ourselves and our own inner truth, to become fearless. It's an individual process but others can lead by example.
snelopy 1 year ago
@SamTxr The saints of India and Tibet are good role models. They don't make videos on youtube and talk endlessly about the same thing - they just do it and expect nothing in return. One might argue that Mr Poolman & Co are helping to educate the public yet the very thing that will change humanity they are advocating we deny. They claim "mind" is not real, that only the physical is real. How can we overcome fear and ignorance if we adopt this attitude?! This notion perpetuates survival mentality.
snelopy 1 year ago
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@snelopy
QUOTE - The saints of India and Tibet are good role models. They don't make videos on youtube and talk endlessly about the same thing...
Mr. Poolman has made his information more accessible, more readily available...otherwise I may have never happened upon this information. Do you not see the value of this, if not in the message itself?
SamTxr 1 year ago
@SamTxr It's quite easy to prove to yourself that mind is real and that everything physical exists within mind: telekinesis, or healing people of physical ailments using the power of the mind. If we realised we all this potential within us the world would be a very different place.
snelopy 1 year ago
QUOTE - Yet if these aspects are pointed out or questioned then immediately the defence is "you are being dishonest" and the inference that one is against such noble principles.
This is where I perceive a lot of the friction to be coming from. Let me just say this - they are a small group really, and they've got a lot of people coming at them w/ stuff...they simply don't have the time to walk people through each, and every issue.
SamTxr 1 year ago
In your first statement you say I am holding firm - PLEASE...
My stance to state it simply is one in which I am currently, {and honestly}...engaged in watching the 'opposition' videos w/ out bias.
Also - you state that I sound unsure...that's not quite it, I am simply investigating the issues brought up by the opposition to see if there is actually any merit to them.
Prove me wrong, but so far nothing...just baseless allegations.
SamTxr 1 year ago
@SamTxr I have no interest in proving anything to you except to point out that you are violating the principles put forth by Destini and you will find it is simply impossible not to. If you truly stood for concepts like honesty, equality etc what would it matter what anyone said of Mr Poolman and Destini. Instead you seem more interested in who is right and wrong and therefore you are being dishonest according to Destini principles.
snelopy 1 year ago
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@snelopy
QUOTE - Instead you seem more interested in who is right and wrong and therefore you are being dishonest according to Destini principles.
Don't get me wrong, as I stated here {or perhaps elsewhere}, I've been checking out what the 'opposition' is saying to investigate their claims, for my own educational purposes, that's all.
SamTxr 1 year ago
@SamTxr I'm not implying that you don't really care about equality, honesty etc. just that you don't need an organisation or a belief system or a guru to do that. The true Self does not need to investigate anything either way, only Self-created sub-personalities require proof to validate their existence. If for example you discovered without doubt that Mr Poolman was a conartist, would your worldview fall apart? The true Self is not afraid of such questions.
snelopy 1 year ago
@snelopy
QUOTE: I'm not implying that you don't really care about equality, honesty etc. just that you don't need an organisation or a belief system or a guru to do that.
You're not considering the value I find in Mr. Poolman - but that's OK. For instance just a little while ago I watched one of his more in-depth videos {1 Reptilian Star Wars}. You see my friend, I do value what he has to offer. In fact I saw this same video a while ago, but upon watching it again I was blown away, wowed.
SamTxr 1 year ago
@SamTxr Obviously you do find value in Mr Poolman - I wouldn't have not considered this. But be careful now - if you are wowed by him and his material then it does imply you are venerating belief systems based on emotional responses which are not real. He is correct in that as long as you live from your personality, "follower" mind systems will always be attracted to "leader" mind systems. I have experience absolving these things from people so I can attest to the truth of this.
snelopy 1 year ago
@snelopy QUOTE: "But be careful now - if you are wowed by him and his material then it does imply you are venerating belief systems based on emotional responses which are not real".
It doesn't necessarily mean I'm venerating a belief. I'm wowed for certain reasons...OK, let me state it like this...if you take the basic premise that you'll learn about in the History of Man series, yes - this could all be one big fabrication, a lie. Yet, what is presented as I see it, is quite plausible.
SamTxr 1 year ago
@SamTxr My point is that being wowed is an emotional response and therefore it is questionable from Destini's perspective. The material he presents is borrowed from other sources and given a psychotic twist. The basis for Destini's philosphies is stolen from Ramtha for instance.
snelopy 1 year ago
ppl out of common sence and worship slaves of mind system stfu bcoz u'r not make it eny easyer. Just mind ur buiss, zip it and shove it deep-deep down. Thank u
dorzub 1 year ago
instead of seeing, try listening, to what the message is conveying. Dont worry about the spirit shit, i avoided that, and listened to the message.
Comrade420BoB 1 year ago
@Comrade420BoB really? Did you miss the whole "I know what you're trying to say" part of the video? The point of the video is to illustrate that a good message written in poop is still a message written in poop - it is up to others if they want to believe it or not... I just disagree with the faulty logic in her cosmology, and the methods they use to proselytize their message...
shadowbrowncoat 1 year ago
@shadowbrowncoat She channels dark entities to manipulate people . I believe she is a slave for the dark brotherhood . Although she has a south african accent , she cud have been an abductee , / experiment for the greys .
G0LDENL0VEMUSIC 1 year ago
@Comrade420BoB She channels demons is whut she does . to confuse u , she is a slave for the dark brotherhood .
G0LDENL0VEMUSIC 1 year ago
the people in the interviews are DEAD - that is why no personalities exist - that is what goes at death - best to be self honest when one have no actual understanding of the afterlife and how it works
adriandrum 1 year ago
@adriandrum If the personalities are gone using their name makes no sense for it has no relevance any longer.
Goldkehlchen20 1 year ago
well said. she is getting close to 16,000 followers now. lets hope she is not another "ramtha"
savagecabage 1 year ago
What she is doing, in essence, is building a CULT. lol... all you're doing here, shadowbrowcoat, is being an ACTING COACH...
TheMercilessEye 1 year ago
Most phenomenal thing about Desteni are the followers to me. I don't really get it how people are able to fall for an utter revolting bullshit new age agenda of that stupid kind, of that really cheap low-level hogwash cliche cult crap. Shaving heads included. What the hell is wrong with them. It's so embarrassing to see weak,naive,gullible,disaffected,plain dumb young folks giving themselves up just like that.
SimulacronX 1 year ago
I saw this Destini series recently because now they have Chinese channel which is quite dangerous. It's fascinating to some extent, the whole story. But further investigate their main forum, they charge HIGH for some spiritual training course...
junelyt 1 year ago
She is so stupid she wont understand your video.
She lives on a fucktard cult farm and the leader uses her as a wank rag and a mouth piece for his bulshit.
luckylangerie 1 year ago
@luckylangerie LOL that's true. The leader uses the girls for his sexual gratification and has manipulated them to the extent that they are afraid to leave him.
snelopy 1 year ago
@snelopy you are deliberately spreading lies as you have never even met this apparent 'leader'
time to get self honest
adriandrum 1 year ago
@adriandrum True I have never nor would I care to meet Bernard Poolman . I am from South Africa, I have spoken to people who know him and the girls and even if it isn't true, there are enough contributing factors which led me to try and help people realise they were being brainwashed by a sociopath. "Self-honestly" my comment was made in a moment of weakness, sigh. The irony is that most Destini followers (and leaders) scramble to their defence most unself-honestly as an emotional outburst.
snelopy 1 year ago
@adriandrum Any emotional reaction according to Destini, including defenciveness, is not real, that includes caring for self-honesty. Apart from many such inconsistencies, the fact that a Destini follower can accept everything without question (eg about the dead interviews) and defend using their very words (eg self-honesty), defies being self-honest about being programmed by yet another system. It's fine to be angry about the status quo but you can think for yourself too. Enough with gurus!
snelopy 1 year ago
@adriandrum I could go into endless details about my research into the Destini group, including the fact that, depending on your psychic development, you would see many lower astral entities and ET's manipulating Bernard & Co into amassing followers, beings that don't want people to develop their consciousness because otherwise we would see what was really going on and they would lose their power over us (ironically their message of self-honesty being the height of deception).
snelopy 1 year ago
@adriandrum I do care about honesty though, which is not what Bernard stands for, so yes I'll admit my weakness which unfortunately may have garnered more attention for the Destini group. Self-honesty and forgiveness IS good, just no need to create a religion about it. However I accept that all victims find their tyrants in this world; all the manipulated their manipulators; all followers their leaders. My comments in this regard are for those who desire honesty AND sovereignty.
snelopy 1 year ago
@adriandrum If anything adriandrum, ignore all I've said and ask yourself 1 question: "what if everything Destini is about is a lie?" And be VERY honest with yourself.
snelopy 1 year ago
@snelopy
I've been following Desteni's message. Let me answer it this way: there are people who are on here, sharing their doubts about Desteni. Although I don't always agree w/ their tactics, which at times are simply biased. I have been spending time watching, and listening to these 'opposition' videos to see what I can learn. So far nothing has yet moved me to be against Desteni's message. The attacks on Mr. Poolman bother me, because I believe he is an honest man. Prove me wrong.
SamTxr 1 year ago
@SamTxr You do realise that by holding firm onto the belief system that Destini has presented you that your are violating one of Mr Poolman's salient philosphies by enaging in conciousness mind systems? You also sound unsure otherwise you would not require proof of his dishonesty. I only say this to point out the inherent dishonesty within the contradictions brought forth by this man.
snelopy 1 year ago
@SamTxr What many Destini follwers are blind to is the fact the the concepts of self honesty and self forgiveness as well as equality in themselves are noble concepts which nobody is arguing against - it is the context in which they are presented and the motives behind them. Yet if these aspects are pointed out or questioned then immediately the defence is "you are being dishonest" and the inference that one is against such noble principles.
snelopy 1 year ago
@SamTxr Ironically the fact that a defence is required against people questioning the Destini group is proof that what is presented is a mind conciousness belief system since being defensive is an emotional response. Again another contradiction and proof of dishonesty of the group. Truth is self-evident and radiates from within the true Self - it requires no defence. Yet such concepts relating to consciousness are reviled by the Destini principles.
snelopy 1 year ago
Good said!
mijnvoornaam 1 year ago
@Timeofflux I remember playing a character in a play - but am I that character? I remember a television show, but am I those characters?
To assert there is a single, unchanging 'something' that exists 'somewhere' is no different than projecting an understanding of that something without fully disclosing or investigating the nature of it. It's similar to a hollow chocolate bunny at easter - it is defined by it's size, shape, texture, etc... but there is nothing inside...
shadowbrowncoat 1 year ago
@Timeofflux Then can it really be called "Kurt Cobain"?
We are a composition of our experiences through societal and environmental factors - catalyzed through language and the ability to project and extrapolate/interpolate meaning from actions, tone, and colour...
If we take someones memories away, are they the same person? Now, take the body away - are they the same?
shadowbrowncoat 1 year ago
Continued:
Is the caterpillar the same as the butterfly? The Acorn the same as the oak tree? Transformation changes the very nature of the 'thing' being described.
So, to "lose the identity" is to ultimately change the very concept being described...
shadowbrowncoat 1 year ago
@Timeofflux The issue is in the 'proof'... A declaration of a "who" without any other corroboration, or other quantifiable acts (such as providing personal clues - dates, specifics that can be proven by people who knew the personalities). And if everyone returns to the "dimensions" loses their 'self' identity, is this not a confusion to the very application of 'channelling' a personality/self identity?
The Method creates a paradox in the Belief...
shadowbrowncoat 1 year ago
@Timeofflux I appreciate the apology - text shows no tone, and the wording felt defamatory. I do appreciate the apology.
shadowbrowncoat 1 year ago
@Timeofflux And this assertion is based on what proof? My video? Does it look like I'm angsty? Confused?
Is my argument so muddled that it is 'confused'? No. Again, define a "self" - every "self". Then think about the concept of multiple personality disorder - how does one become another? Certain things change inherently. Now think about possession - how can one self selectively show any single part of the whole as proof of it being that "self"?
shadowbrowncoat 1 year ago
@shadowbrowncoat Continued: That is like saying that just because you feel something smooth with one sense that the object is a table...
A "self" is a composite notion, and thus the qualities that compose it are just as much the definition and delineation between one 'self' and another - And her arguements both preclude the notion of a 'defined self' as well as depend on famous 'self' portrayals to ratify her claims...
Paradox...
shadowbrowncoat 1 year ago
@Timeofflux Define "Self"... Within that definition you will find the conflation to the notion she posits (because she declares that she "is" someone, yet also proselytizes that "you" are no longer "you" in the 'dimensions') and you will find the premise of my arguement is not mine to begin with... it is the logical paradox of her creation.
shadowbrowncoat 1 year ago
good video mate, i completely agree with you.
AcidSh33tz 1 year ago
Desteni forgot the script 9: 08 watch?v=aT30YUYkQGA
Istenenergia 1 year ago
Desteni can only get so far. Reasonable people outside of the weak-minded folks found via the internet won't buy this -- you're right. The worst, most hilarious part about Desteni (besides the blantant contradictions) is that they will FIND those who present arguments against them and shoot them down within MINUTES, I mean it's absurd -- they have a response to everything because they're so decieved in themselves. They just released a video calling themself the New World Order. Save yourself.
ViennaPrincess23 1 year ago
I think it's about infusing us with so much knowledge that we eventually stop searching for knowledge and just live...
For example, to force someone to quit smoking, the cigarettes shouldn't be taken away from the smoker...They should be placed in a small room and force them to smoke a carton or two of cigarettes...Either they quit on their own or they remove themselves by smoking themselves to death...That's my perspective on what they are doing...Not a bad thing....It's called tough love
PhysicalHere 1 year ago
@cdcook1212 Okay - if she is supposedly channelling Bruce Lee, and acts in a way that Bruce Lee wouldn't, is it really him? Just because she says she's him doesn't mean she is - without proof. And the amalgam effectations of a "self' are only provable by those who know them - is a South African really South African without an accent or other recognizable association? If you see a signature stating Bruce Lee, is it his signature if it bears no resemblence whatsoever?
shadowbrowncoat 1 year ago
@Frosti2008 I just don' t agree with how she's going about it. I'm not going to say there is or is not a self, I have my own beliefs, but honestly her/their machinations (pun intended) should be tested - as well all notions of belief. If you just accept things blindly, then You as a being are just being led to believe what others do. If you are willing to explore the logic, and can understand where your leaps of faith come from - then it is your path, your research, and your faith...
shadowbrowncoat 1 year ago
@cdcook1212 I guess you don't see the non-sense in your counter argument... First - any self-identifying being that distinguishes and differentiates itself from others would be a "someone" and not an expression or culmination of someones based on a belief of rebirth or reincarnation. This by consquence would posit that if there were some form of "celestial realm" from which a being could communicate, there would be a residual solely based on the fact they associate with a "self".
shadowbrowncoat 1 year ago
This only reiterates my point - that her adoption of a "self" as previously owned by another into the husk that is her shell only conflates the cosmological notions that are being presented. Where is the authority of the character she's portraying outside of the word she presents? And to borrow the fame of these people to preach an sad amalgam of classic chinese philosophy and attempt to "modernize" it by saying "oh, they were close... here's the truth" is deceitful and preys upon the gullible
shadowbrowncoat 1 year ago
nicly said dude.
I see some bias in Desteni production but I wont express my opinion on that because im so high right now. if they are truly enlighten then why are they so freaken hardcore.
the universe is what it is and we are all but a intercepting spec of thought and energy in a infinitely epic incomprehensible "something"
why look for anything more just that thought alone puts me at ease.
fuck im ranting
Nospoon53189 1 year ago
Elvis can't appear,he lives near Eureka,Montana.
Although,he is pissed that Bin Laden got a bigger cabin.
If "Matti" is also Aleister Crowley, why does 'she' mispronounce her own name ?
Gaelic in origin, st was dh, so it is pronounced Alis-dare. In life,he was most insistant that his,adopted, name be spoken correctly.
theMacvarish 1 year ago
Perhaps you should indulge in more then ten videos before you give your opinion.
JeffreyCameronPerry 1 year ago
@JeffreyCameronPerry
Really? You're saying that their message changes the more videos one sees?
And if she still uses popular culture references to ratify her message in those, then I would be led to believe that someone has missed the message of my video...
Have a great day
shadowbrowncoat 1 year ago
@shadowbrowncoat - "If she still-" , thus you fail.
JeffreyCameronPerry 1 year ago
@JeffreyCameronPerry Ah... Looking for anything to cause conflict - you really did miss the message of my video, which is not my failure.
shadowbrowncoat 1 year ago
A good way to add kudos to her opinions, channel famous people and tell everyone they said it.
sweeetly 1 year ago
Whats the best way to get people to listen to you. Channel famous people and tell everyone they said it.
Easy .
Guess what, I just channeled Sitting Bull. He says Desteni needs to go out of white middle class suburbia, into the ghettos and take a good 'honest' look at the starving children on her own doorstep.
sweeetly 1 year ago
Desteni told me the machine is our future and I must accept the microchip as the new God.
Says it all really... :?
sweeetly 1 year ago
I had a tough time not using the word "deusche bag" when commenting on DesteniProductions' videos. Epic fail on her part to coherently explain anything resembling logic. Not a single cogent though crossed her lips throughout the entire video, and I honestly felt as if my IQ had dropped several points after viewing it.
joshewin2 2 years ago
Yes, the lack of diversity being brought through by the spirits communicating through her vessel was a red flag for me. I've tried to be very open minded through 50 some odd videos, but the air of their attitude towards questions and general curious ignorance is very superior and cult-like. I'm turned off by their message. I suppose I'll be damned then.
BattleMage52 2 years ago
EXACTLY. thank you.
DantesQuietPlace 2 years ago
They don't care or actually believe in portals or channelings or any of that. They are hard core pol pot communists who use that to try to hypnotize people into accepting their hardline communist agenda. Theyr'e group is PURELY Political in nature. Well. Either that or theyr'e a whacked out Satanic Cult. I haven't really figured out which yet.
vaporose 2 years ago
Hey satan wouldn't even claim them he told me he yeah its a he, is offended ; ....
They are so serious about utter desteni nonsense,that you cant even have a normal conversation with any of them..
If you question their minds which they say is not their own they go stark raving mad ,,,like madcow mad type of shit..
Shit i got they're new faith right here
live life ,have fun :),Dont be so serious....
find peace and tranquility within your self
Or continue shave head,, ride comet path
ahcult 2 years ago
@vaporose ok im Cambodian and im slightly offended but i doubt you give a flying fuck so... carry on.
Nospoon53189 1 year ago
@Nospoon53189
Hey man I would be offended too. The desteni agenda is to replay the same old thing over and over again. Killing fields never ending. You have every right to be offended in my opinion.
vaporose 1 year ago
Shes mimicking cult leader bernardthepoolman's vocal expressions.... You should see the reptoid enki vids then youll truly understand how deep they're insanity really goes...
cult members spamann hot hot hot wont have a steak dinner with me lol :(
darryl probaly the smartest one there..
mayb needs to be rescued and brought bac to the us .. They practice the normal cult propaganda techniques with one sided vids,, massive censoring ,,through their network of cult members. cont....
ahcult 2 years ago
controlling opposition,,questioning by abusive blocking/banning:) methods on yt and their forum... ,,,,I guess the logic is to be all over the internet with this bs lil feelers of bs everywhere eventually someone will fall for it ... someone looking to belong to fill a void in their life..
I guess thats doing the rest of us a favor ..
This cult does not favor, individuality ,freewill,,, questions common sense logic .Humanity wont forgive them, they will have to forgive themselves.
ahcult 2 years ago
SpamAnn... The pride of Desteni. Smiles when she talks, lovingly pets her dog while on video, still has relationship with her parents, feeds chickens, seems to care for animals, seems to make some decent veggie meals. She seems almost perfect until her brainwashed mind starts spewing out all that communist stupidity about Equal Money and her definitions of who are abusers etc.. Wow, if only she could deprogram that, she would be perfect :)
vaporose 2 years ago
i wonder if your view had changed, since this was four years ago?
PolinaOdegova 2 years ago
Something is about to go down.
IntiHehlua 2 years ago
Quite interesting analysis. I agree.
Thank you, shawdowbrowncoat.
leilamiya 2 years ago
shut up dude if thets what [fuch arostotle fuck evlis)she wants to do then so be you sholud get a life your like shuch a rolemodel
ninjafretshadow 2 years ago
@ninjafretshadow = Learn proper English if you're going to insult someone dumb ass.
unwirklich1989 2 years ago
Two issues - If what defines us as "us" no longer resonates, then why do these "echoes" self identify? 2) Echoes, or "sound signatures" as you call them, cannot change the original form - THUS all these discussions should solely be reiterations from their actions etc, to which none of the current overtomes line up to previous actions or statements. This is a case you the "faithful" not engaging their critical mind to question... which is okay - just don't get bitchy when others do.
shadowbrowncoat 2 years ago
And to use the "you haven't read/ viewed everything" arguement, while alluding to the whole "everything is revealed when you read everything and if you don't understand then you're obviously not trying" sentiment is classic to standard religious mindsets. The actions of the followers are not much different than those of a cult that believe their leader is the reincarnation or revelation of a previous iconic figure... And don't try to use the "mind is a crutch" argument either -
shadowbrowncoat 2 years ago
because then you create the issue that experience is the only teacher/proof - thus discrediting the whole oracle role. It's the classic Zen paradox - "if enlightenment is instant and personal, then why spend time following a teacher?" If you can experience the love of these dimesional realms (whatever), then why do you need someone to tell you about them while portraying readily recognized persons? To ratify the "other beings"? Thus = logical conflation... 1 =false, the other loses credibility
shadowbrowncoat 2 years ago
God is great written in crap.. wow thats ingenious .
Thanks for the video .
luckylangerie 2 years ago
u are going into watching "her" vids expecting it to be something that u want it to be.. perhaps if you watched ALL the vids..you can gain perspective. Or visit the Desteniproduction Channel.
Also, she is not "envoking spirits" with that statement, comes pre-defined notions n pictures. She breathes in, and leaves the body in the breath out, then the breath in is the being stepping in. Simple. Within the breath. No mind movement: thoughts/feelings/emotions.
Just self. Life. All as one as equal.
kenaization 2 years ago
Uh huh... And you don't see the issues this causes?
And frankly, are "all as one as equal". Do you mourn the passing of a gnat? Do you mourn the passing of a spider/lion/wolf? Or does "all" only refer to humans? Issue.
Second - Thoughts/Feelings/Emotions... so, what? Reactivity? Even the Tao and Zen have recognition that these are necessary components - to not have ANY of the above would be relatively animalistic and banal don't you think? Do you see the issues?
shadowbrowncoat 2 years ago
i so agree with you. she needs to get a lfe and stop putting on an act. the kid knows exactly what shes doing, she's charging money for her products, look at her website. ;)
baerin18 2 years ago
you're being 2 nice-"she" is full of shit, there are holes in all her famous people stories-1 of the most glaring is her mis-pronunciation of Aleister Crowley's name-
he wouldn't mispronounce his own name!
3642130 2 years ago
The human brain works through PHYSICAL connections. The PHYSICAL connections or wireing, peaks in the first few years of life. (this is why you cant speak at birth). The connections allow everything from INDIVIDUAL LANGUAGE, Thought Processes, PERSONAL MANURISMS & PERSONAL IDENTITY! This preclude's a being from its own personal manurisms while in another's body. So SUNETTE'S body IS behaiv'ing EXACTLY as it should when somone els is at the wheel. Will SHADOWBROWNCOAT respond with an ANSWER here?
mrtruthify 2 years ago
If there is, in her cosmology, this limitation on the human brain - then where is the nexus for the supposed "beings" or "avatars" or the personages (all combinations of a multitude of experiences, etc. that compile into a personally and externally identified, supposedly "true" object called a "self" or the "I/Me"... which ALL are required to identify a person beyond simply a name... I can call myself by your name, does that make me you? Without your composition, and background, am "I" "You"?
shadowbrowncoat 2 years ago
And to utilize your weak metaphor of a driver in another car - The shell looks the same despite the driver, I grant you that - but the road rage experienced, the gestures, the driving skill, and EVERYTHING that defines that drivers capacity is still expressed within that car - And THAT doesn't come across in her supposed channels. Sunettes body being the "car" only displays actions consistent with EVERY OTHER driver she supposedly has at the wheel...
shadowbrowncoat 2 years ago
Compile a list of what "defines you as 'you'", and then ask other people the same question... then ask someone of a different dialect/language/cultural background... you will find that the things that define you for you, and for others, have overlap... and the things I mention about the expression of self (which is what others see, not what you think you are projecting) constitute a large portion of that which "defines" you
shadowbrowncoat 2 years ago
First, i do respect you as a fellow human being, and have noticed the vast majority of your comments are comming from what must seem like a very logical place to you. In response to your logic, i gave you an answer that contradicted YOUR OWN VIEWS on what YOU (apparently the expert on the matter) thought about why the beings dont display more of their own "self as U so elequently put it. ("Id LIKE to think that there is a certain aspect of SELF that would come through".
mrtruthify 2 years ago
No... you attempted a semantic differential - but contradict your own argument by attempting to invalidate my own tool of logic with the subjective notions of experience,etc. but by clinging to the notions of linguistic argument you subscribe to the rules of that engagement - which creates contention to your premise...
shadowbrowncoat 2 years ago
Shadowbrowncoat: I am not aware of ONE faith or disciplin that carries the same message unless you go fence hopping and start combineing more than one disciplin. You say at the beginning of your vid " i am not impressed". Hmmmmmm? I can ashure you none of the vids were done from an entertainment perspective, even the commedy has a message i see, and they were not made to "IMPRESS" YOU or anyone'els for that matter, while your video is clearly here to "IMPRESS" YOUR WISDOM ON US & YOURSELF.
mrtruthify 2 years ago
Learn to spell... And the message she preaches is inherent in many disciplines - she is guilty of doing the "faux pas" you are professing... Her message isn't new... Her prosletyzing is just old thought(eastern thought, such as Confuscianism, Taoism, Buddhism, and Zen... interestingly from cultures that are immensely older than the ones you are likely familiar with...) wrapped in an apparent new guise, capilizing on the collective imagination of people who watched the Matrix, and are hoping
shadowbrowncoat 2 years ago
that there is some external locus of control, and blame, for the ills of the world. My answer was polite, and is extremely experiential as well as academic... There are a lot of things NOT mentioned in this video, and the aspects of "Self" she is positing are only notions of belief - Habeus Spiritus...
shadowbrowncoat 2 years ago
Shadowbrowncoat: What do U think about DeSTeNi's message of ONENESS & EQUALITY for all? In relation to OUR current segregated world government's & money system(s) wich tend to favor a Heirearchical Society in wich millions STARVE & DIE, others drive FERRARI'S and U & I are typing here on YouTube....... Also please feel free to correct me here if i am wronge, in response to a comment of yours, but wich other faiths or disciplins teach the FULL INTACT message of DESTENI in such a commonsense way?
mrtruthify 2 years ago
Again to shadowbrowncoat: You seem driven in your responses (to desteni) by fear. Fear of hitler, stallin ect. ("Gee why cant they just stick to pop icons")? Give me a break if pop icons are your ideas of people/beings of wisdom man....... Be honest with yourself, instead of trying to use a vid to justify and support your own doubts/fears with the portal/sunettes ability.
mrtruthify 2 years ago