Ferneyhough: String Quartet No 3 w/ score -- Movement 1/2

[tietjen666]

This is great! Thank you.

[egapnala65]

@octipiable And why is it that Ferneyhougjh freaks are so sensitive? Perhaps they know that they have been left behind by history and now cling to each in the bunkers of their own pseudo intellectual arrogance.

[MrInterestingthings]

Ferneyhough and Finnissy scores have a look to it! are well thought out they know the score is as important in contemporary music as a picasso

[egapnala65]

@MrInterestingthings Yes Graphic designers do the same. Picasso was a VISUAL artist by the way. It is actually pretty damn important in the visual arts that you use interesting VISUAL techniques. Here the design obscures the music to a ridiculously high level.

[MrInterestingthings]

ARDITTI quartet are brave and fine musicians. Thanks for uploading. Looking atthe score is as interesting & exciting a way to spend my time as listening to the score!

[AfroDeezeeYak]

Egapnala65 literally has condemning comments on EVERY SINGLE Ferneyhough upload on YT.

I'd be mad too if I was a failed composer/Adams copycat.

[EmptyKingdoms]

@AfroDeezeeYak You're right, egapnala65 has comments on every Ferneyhough video. Is he even married? What a waste of time. Well... As he comment, I appreciate music and laugh of his face. Clinging to a place he can't reach. Pretending to know something... Heh, human beings.

[egapnala65]

@EmptyKingdoms Reached it thirty years ago when it was oh so incredibly trendy in the UK.

Nowadays I look to Finland and composers like Nordgren and Segerstam, both of who's symphonies blow this sterile self indulgent shit right out of the galaxy. What's more they were written during the past ten years.

[EmptyKingdoms]

@egapnala65 I am sorry, but reached what? Arrogance? Self-righteousness? That doesn't seem any accomplishment, seriously.

But so far, so good, it's your opinion, by the way I did check out both recommendations you just cited and they are equally great to Ferneyhough, in my ears. Not much of a difference, all in the same level.

Much respect and...

Peace Out

[egapnala65]

@EmptyKingdoms But neither of them have made a virtue out of being incomprehensible elitists playing for a select band of polysyllabic posers.

[EmptyKingdoms]

@egapnala65 Seriously? I prefer elitisized music, or whatever you may call it (english is no my mother tongue, forgive any mistakes beforehand). I prefer music this way, for the few selected ones that have "ears to listen", the few ones that can really listen, understand and feel it. "Not everyone is ready for many things", and so this applies to some genres and styles of music.

Peace Out

[egapnala65]

@EmptyKingdoms There is nothing about this that is genuinely "elitist" though, its just imitating acoustically the contents of a 1960's sound laboratory. Anybody familiar with the electronic works of the 50's and 60's would see that straight away.

Don't confuse ignorance with boredom. To me this is an out of date aesthetic clung to by anal retentives. 

[EmptyKingdoms]

@egapnala65 Seriously? No, I can't hear imitation of Stockhausen's hot shit with acoustic instruments. Mainly because it was firstly done with sine wave manipulation, thus I don't relate it to acoustic instruments. Also I don't feel Ferneyhough as imitating, probably because it is acoustic, he has a decent explanation for this and it really sounds different. Plus, my comment included your recommendations, so they are "an out of date aesthetic clung to by anal retentives".

Peace Out

[egapnala65]

@EmptyKingdoms Well I suggest you read up on a little history then, both Stockhausen and Nono are on record as saying their acoustic, orchestral works were based on the same kinds of acoustical explorations as they were making in the electronic studios. Nono even called works like "Per Bastiana" electronic works for orchestra.This is all the same school of thinking.

[egapnala65]

@EmptyKingdoms And the composers I mentioned have a far less narrow view of the world. Nordgren uses minimalist techniques and elements of tonality and has a breadth and range of expression which knocks this into a bucket. Same with Segerstam. They have moved beyond this sterile tripe from the 1970's with its roots in the 1950's.

[EmptyKingdoms]

@egapnala65 Their view of the world does not affect me, I want their music, not much more than this. I didn't find Nordgren as appealing to me as Stockhausen, for example, mainly his two Studies for Sine Waves. They sound so... Colorful and rich and... Beautifil, in my ears. I don't know you, by I sincerely like dissonance, weirdness, exploration and also minimalism, so I am not excluding Nordgren from my list by any means.

Peace Out

[egapnala65]

@AfroDeezeeYak instead of being yet another "Nu-Complexity" clone churning out sterile unplayable shit for Darmstadt seminars.

[vicktrimethylene]

Thumbs up if you want all the pissed of people to know that these people giving negative comments are doing it only to get a reaction out of you and they create these accounts to go around YouTube doing this everywhere. They are called Trolls and you can Google it if you must.

[sorcerersinger24601]

.............. I LIKE IT! :D

[egapnala65]

GRAPHIC DESIGN 100% CONTENT. MUSICAL DESIGN 0% CONTENT. NICE WALLPAPER, CRAP MUSIC.

[egapnala65]

Apparently the Arditti have to practically rewrite every one of these scores in order to be able to count it. The barlines as marked are superflous in terms of phrasing and you are better off working out how many beats there are in each beamed together note groupings then a hell of a lot of maths to work out specific ratios. Even here the beat structures as written are wholly unreliable and keep changing. The time signatures 1/20 represent 120/th of a whole note at the given tempo.....

[egapnala65]

@egapnala65 You find it by taking the given tempo and extrapolating from that the time it would take to play a whole note from that and then dividing that by 1/20th. It being important to play irrational values in an ensemble work, Irvine Arditti breaks down the beat structure in order to make it countable. A good start is to run each score through a computer at the given tempi and note values. It seems that all performers treat the actual score with a pinch of salt. They bullshit all the way.

[egapnala65]

@egapnala65 New music "cogniscsenti" CAN tell what constitutes an accurate bullshit from a non accurate one and are liable to show displeasure at such things as octaves notated with a diminished quarter tone being played as straight open octaves, but even they are known to see Ferneyhough's scores as mere graphic notation for wild improvisations. In short, its bullshit plain and simple.

[mikepulcinella]

@egapnala65 Simple solution. Don't listen to it.

[egapnala65]

@mikepulcinella That's just what I said to Theo Adorno. "Adorno" I said, "I know that trashing the likes of Stravinsky Sibelius et al helps sell books and makes you look radical and all that, but would it not be better if you simply ignored them? They are clearly beyond your level of intellect." But did he listen? Oh boy!!

[egapnala65]

@greenwaystrajectory Ahhh diddums. Democracy getting to you is it?

[egapnala65]

@greenwaystrajectory Well perhaps you should try some decent modern music and not pretentious bullshit then eh? Stockhausen's multidirectional experiments? The Electronic works of the 50s and 60's by the likes of Nono et al?

This work is trying to cling to a dead aesthetic. It is ridiculous that in the first decade of the 21st century, composers acoustically imitating the interiors of 1950's sound labs are given serious credence. Let alone those who's scores have to be rewritten to make sense.

[MrDigitalgenie]

Moo

[wanekeef]

Oh come on, the emperor has no clothes on.

[berniebach3]

This music is far more easy since great film realizers worked on our "listening".

I think it is here in real link with Debussy and ravel quartett, impossible to miss that, even if I am not a technician, just a "melomane"....

En plus, je trouve génial ce "tourne page" de la partition, bien que je n'en profite pas n'ayant pas de connaissance en solfège.....

[berniebach3]

This music is far more easy since great film realizers worked on our "listening".

I think it is here in real link with Debussy and ravel quartett, impossible to miss that, even if I am not a technician, just a "melomane"....

[ShanyyHUN]

Confusing. This is like expressing a demented soul's suffering with sounds, but I don't consider this "music". Anyways, without artists like Ferneyhough, a scary movie wouldn't be scary...

[TheProgThinker]

@ShanyyHUN Why don't you consider this music?? It seems like every time someone hears something they don't like or don't understand they say its not music. Why? Why is it so hard to accept the notion that you can dislike something but that doesn't mean its not music? By saying you don't consider it music, you are making a declaratory statement about the piece, the composer, and, in effect, those of us who do listen to it and enjoy it, that we are listening to something that isn't music...why?

[egapnala65]

@TheProgThinker It's all sonic effects and gestures. An explosion in a CGI factory would be of more aesthetic value. On top of that it has a tendency to attract pseudo intellectual snobs who are able to cite Hegel without actually ever actually read him.

[TheProgThinker]

@egapnala65 Determining its "aesthetic value" whatever that means objectively would still not be an argument that it is not music. I could concede that it's all "sonic effects and gestures" and you still would not have demonstrated how it is not music.

[egapnala65]

@TheProgThinker Well, not in the broad Cagean sense that music is merely the organisation of sounds of whatever kind. The collated and selective distribution of chosen frequencies etc. but that is irrelevant to the fact that a lot of this stuff is pretty vacuous and hardly bears the weight of sheer intellectual pretension that is forced upon it. If sonic effects and CGI is your particular thing then fine. But let's not pretend there is any real difference between a Ferney fan and a Nyman fan.

[egapnala65]

@TheProgThinker "By saying you don't consider it to be music, you are making a declaratory statement etc etc"- Would you say that about all composers? What about Philip Glass for example? Lots of your kind love nothing better than telling Glass fans how thick they are. As that is the case why should people who get off on special effects and pseudo-intellectual posturing be exempted from the same?

[egapnala65]

@egapnala65 And also what about Adorno's radical dismissal of everything south of Webern as not being "proper music"? Sibelius, Tchaikovsky et al all consigned to the aesthetic gas-chamber by somebody who made a career out of slagging off Stravinsky despite his own inability to compose anything anywhere near "Les Noces? Or Boulez declaring "popular culture" to be an oxymoron? It seems that Ferney fans love passing judgement on other people's tastes but really hate it when somebody exposes theirs

[TheProgThinker]

@egapnala65 I don't speak for my fellow pseudo-intellectuals but I really enjoy Phillip Glass.

[egapnala65]

@TheProgThinker That's fine. Nothing to do with the argument really but a nice little insight I'm sure. The point still stands however. If the great Adorno can go around trashing composers who had a lot more to say than he ever did, then we have the absolute right to say the same thing about his kind of composers. It all boils down to taste. Not a measure of comparative intellect. Ok?

[MrRumpwrestler]

@TheProgThinker Glass, inspite of the endless repetitions, is better any day than this dreadful scam artist.

[BearKamus]

@ShanyyHUN

I think it's time to listen beyond the obvious.

At first when I began hearing works of this period I was shocked, but then I heard simplest plays of this kind.

Those "hearings" allowed me to develop my ear to hear plays like the user upload.

I encourage you to do the same, you will greatly enrich your audio-perception

[egapnala65]

@ShanyyHUN You are entitled to your opinion. Theodor Adorno declared Stravinsky's music to be the result of an abnormal psychology too. If its good enough for these guys its good enough for you.

[AfroDeezeeYak]

@ShanyyHUN Why listen to Ferneyhough if you don't consider it 'music': as if the qualifiers for music are anything narrower than harnessed sound?

[stanchinsky]

Great upload!!