Most people dont know that big chunk of mughal empire consisted of Hindu kingdoms with hindu kings. eg: Rajputs . Without which Mughal empire is nothing.
Mughal empire doesnt mean muslim rule over India. Only half knowledge idiots think that Muzzies can take over ENTIRE india.
As long as there are Hindu warriors that's never gonna happen.
More Shivaji's and Krishna devaraya's will come and kick some muzzie ass.
Indeed Great Mughals have changed the whole culture of Indian subcontinent starting from Great babur who himself wrote in his memoirs Baburnama that no King could dare to write as much as he wrote about India when he invaded and also his various achievement. Under Mughal Rule everthing was perfect India was called the golden bird esp when European Travellers came they werre awestruck. Hatts off to Great mughal.....carrying blood of Timur and Chengiz Khan
India is the birth place of Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism and Sikhism, collectively known as Indian religions.Today, Hinduism and Buddhism are the world's third- and fourth-largest religions respectively, with over 2 billion followers together,and possibly as many as 2.5 or 2.6 billion followers.India is also the birthplace for the Lingayat and Ahmadiyya faiths.According to 2001 India census, Hindi is the most spoken language in India, followed by Bengali, Telugu, Marathi and Tamil in that order.
Maharana Pratap considered to exemplify the qualities to which Rajputs aspire.Maharana Pratap never accepted Akbar as ruler of India, and fought Akbar all his life. Akbar first tried diplomacy to win over Maharana Pratap but nothing worked. Maharana could have become friends with Akbar, but in the siege of Chittor Akbar had killed 27,000 civilians. This left a lasting impression on Maharana's mind and he decided he could not bow to such injustice and cruelty.
@taaaydman What injustice? They could have worked with Akbar but they chose not to and then it was too late to get a hand shake? Is that surprising. One should know how to play politics.
Akbar had committed many atrocities. History tells us that he had burnt down thousands of villages killing innocent people.Not just that,Akbar had ordered to
cut down thousands of trees.The locals in order to save the trees use to tie themselves around trees, which included children and women. Emperor Akbar
ordered to cut down the trees along with the people.
Maratha Empire मराठा साम्राज्य - Maratha confederacy was an hindu power that existed from 1674 to 1818. At its peak the empire covered much of South Asia, with a territory of over 2.8 million km². The empire was founded and consolidated by Shivaji and successfully fought the Mughals to defend his kingdom.The Maratha Empire waged war for 27 years with the Mughals from 1681 to 1707 which became the longest war ever fought in the history of India. The Marathas eventually emerged victorious.
@taaaydman U fool who said what the hell was shivaji he used to escape from the grasp of Great Auranzeb and you are telling him King ha ha ha he is known as Mountain Rat . Also he never ruled India it was always Mughal even after Auranzeb his son Bahadur shah ruled. About Maratha power go and read third Battle of Panipat where Pathans Ahmed shah Abdali Crushed and defeated the Maratha mercilessly. Who could dare to fight Pathans.
What Guru Gobind Singh has said about Aurangzeb is well known this is what Bulleh Shah had to say about the matter ” Na kahun tab ki nah kahun ab ki agar na hote Guru Gobind Singh to sunat hoti sab ki''
Rana seems to think that Aurangzeb was tolerant towards the Hindus . Aurangzeb lived from 4nov 1618 to3mar 1707 Guru Gobind Singh lived from 22dec 1668 to 7 oct 1708 and Bulleh Shah lived from 1680 to 1757 so they lived at the same time and what they have to say on the matter has more truth in it than any research done by Rana 300 yrs later.
@ suryavajra Regarding 'bending -I know exactly what you are saying, but I have to speak the language manhornz understands -What is the point of using your argument, eloquence and intellect (or for that matter mine) on an idiot like him!
@manhornz The loss was because you treated you 'brothers' Bangladeshis like 'niggers' Isn't that what you call Indians as well? And they took your loolas after you raped and murdered them and showed them wholesale in your mouths! 93,000 prisoners of war -Are these the brave lions you talk of? Seems India has all the lion tamers needed, LOL Now since you have nothing to say about Pakistan tell me about China (the most Muslim hating nation in the world -me thinks they are using you)
Actually the funny thing, or not funny at all, is that the Chinese government have oppresed the Hui (Chinese Muslims) and Uyghurs (Turkic Muslims), in Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, and more often than not, the Pakistani government has helped the Chinese round up these dissidents in Pakistan proper....
@manhornz So exactly when are you going to use these Missiles against the slow moving American drones that violate your air space and kill Pakis EVERYDAY? What do you think would happen if America killed even ONE Indian like that? I think America knows the answer -who cares what you think! The most advanced operational missile in the world right now is the Brahmos (google it you tube it) The Brah comes from sanskrit! Ok my ex Hindu friend! Chow
@manhornz America has been in bed with Pakistan since 1948. All your weapons used against India are American? So suddenly America is against you in cahoots with India? You make us laugh - Pathetic! The truth is simple America learned not to 'fuck with India' (We taught them). And now they suck our front and you get their behinds to lick! Says it all really! They need us and we are THAT STRONG we made them bend! .
Since the end of the Cold War and rise of Terrorism, the United States has found that it infact has a lot of national security interests along with economic, political and even cultural reasons why it should develop closer relations with India. This will only continue to deepen because both countries have a lot in common, not because one made the other ''bend''.
@manhornz You are quick to mention the India China war. But you fail to mention the 93,000 Pakistani prisoners of war the Indians captured in 1971 (Memory lapse? LOL) The greatest ever capture of prisoners in human history! They were going to be slaughtered by the Bangalis but the Hindu Punjabi Indians spared them Look at them on you tube -They look like little lambs to the slaughter! Ahhh
@manhornz It makes no difference what you say. It's only a frustrated eat your heart out Paki saying it. In reality India is tipped to be 2nd largest economy in the world (Look at these Hindus -what an amazing race -at the end of the day they are so gloriously victorious LOL) Pakistan is deemed a very failed state -this is what you have done with your legacy! Ex untouchable Hindus (Chooras) By the way if you speak in Urdu or Punjabi go do a DNA test Its good to know who your granddad is!
@manhornz Were the 93,000 prisoners of war India captured in 1971 Moguls? If so then I suggest Indians well and truly paid the so called fake moguls back! The biggest capture of POWs ever in human history I add. And what about the Bangladeshis (East Pakistani) are they also Mogul -When is your next fun comment?
That loss was due to the betrayal of those we saw as our brothers/sisters in faith in Bangladesh and the fact those soldiers were isolated on a land mass from support in what was then West Pakistan.
Why is it you Bharati's have done little to nothing every war before then and were even beaten back by a few thousand mujahid during the Kargil conflict? In 1965 the closest war to 1971 we inflicted almost the exact same damage to you yet outnumbered 9 to 1 at the time.
@manhornz@suryavajra I do specifically mean HINDU. If it is not down to religions then like him every Indian can claim to be a Mogul too"! I am a tall straight backed proud Sikh and as you know to us the Moguls were nothing! But let me make you laugh -By his argument all Bangladeshis are Moguls and ruled over India- Get it" I know he does!" We Indians should all selectively claim whenever we want to that we are Moguls! We are as much as he thinks he is!
@suryavajra I do specifically mean HINDU. If it is not down to religions then like him every Indian can claim to be a Mogul too"! I am a tall straight backed proud Sikh and as you know to us the Moguls were nothing! But let me make you laugh -By his argument all Bangladeshis are Moguls and ruled over India- Get it" I know he does!" We Indians should all selectively claim whenever we want to that we are Moguls! We are as much as he thinks he is!
Well weren't there Hindu generals and courtiers in the Mughal Empire?? Back then you didn't really have the modern concept of nationality, but rather you were subjects of some King or of some dynasty.
But yes, I understand why you would of have no love for the Mughal Empire. Guru Tegh Bahadur was a martyr against the Mughals. Well my friend, my folks come from Southern India which was NOT part of the Mughal Empire. So it's identity politics can get pretty messy here.
@manhornz 30% are Nexalites? News to me -If America nuked India there would be no more America -as you know they are licking our arse! Red carpet and all. By the way I am not worried about the Indian flag on the moon I was celebrating it. Whatever you say can in the true light of things look only as a man eating his heart out in rage ad jealousy -Good -That is exactly what propels us good people
I agree that the whole nuke argument is a silly one. Nobody is nuking anyone else. America and India are allies, and both have a lot to gain from each other.
Great to see Bharati's like you still haven't lost their sense of humor.
American's don't need you for anything else other than an attempt to cause problems for Pakistan and China (for the later as an alternative cheap labor source)
During your war with China (with military manpower around 1:1) you got you asses beat so explain a nation like yours who are years behind Pakistan when it comes to missile technology could even think about competing with the US and it's ICBM's?
@manhornz If the level of poverty is double that of Pakistan that means it is five times less! (Per capita) Thousands of years 'you' (you mean the Arabs) ruled over the Hindus and then?? Even after all that time the HINDU survived well actually more then survived don't you think -So what is it you can do, you are baggers. Now go and do a DNA test I dare you! And you will find like 90% of you your forefathers are HINDU -Do you respect your grandad or have you sold him to America?
Well I do not know if you could genetically prove they were Hindu people, as you cannot test for faith, but you could I suppose, test for where his family lived for thousands of years and extrapolate from that what religion they likely subscribed to at the time.
Hindu's survived thanks to the generosity of Muslims.
We aren't like Christians and other Kaffir's that go around mercilessly killing civilians as evidenced by the Ottoman empire to which Christians and Jews ran to to escape Christian persecution in Europe (or at the hands of tyrants like Vlad).
I did do a DNA test and it came back NOT BHARATI - but we did rule over the Bharati ppl. My ancestors weren't Hindu (no book in this region ever describes the people as such).
Hindus survived primarily because of their own faith, and which they continued to practice regardless of the ruling regime of the time. And that tolerance between Hindus and Muslims were fostered by religious moderates like Akbar and his decedents as well as those primarily Sufi mystics who tried to find spiritual common ground. Remember except for Aurangzeb, all of the Mughals were into the Sufi mysticism.
As for the Ottoman Empire, I'll say this. You are right that they were known for their toleration, and that people all faiths lived there and that at one time it was the Christian nations of Europe that were fiercely intolerant of other Christians let alone other faiths, but since then, in this weird turn of history, it's the Christian nations predominately those of the Americas but also those of Europe who are the most tolerant nations in the world, while in many Islamic (cont)
countries being the wrong kind of Muslim let alone being a person of some other faith is enough to warrant violence and death to be inflicted upon you, if not a living a life of being an oppressed minority, and it only seems to be getting worse.
@vixter1980 Your talking nonsense again. Nowhere in the Quran does it say a man can have mistresses. In the verses your quoting, it says "except in marriage" so read again properly. The only legal relationship allowed between man and woman is through marriage. A handful of people who have taken law into their own hands to fight for the injustice being done to their people does not equate to majority or 99% terrorists. If you counted the numbers, you'll find hindus are in fact much greater.
@vixter1980 Well you proved to me that you have a habit of making up stories. Each time I've given you direct proof you move away and start another subject. I heard a lot of these Mughals married hindu women without even converting them. I guess that may be the reason for their downfall, as it is considered haram in Islam and so is having mistresses. You still haven't answered my question on the 99% hindu terrorists in Kashmir and Hydrabad. I can't understand a word these 2 are saying.
@MissCurious007 I agree there are hindu terrorists, when did i say there arent? I am saying MAJORITY of terrorists around the world are muslims, hindus are only minorities, but I equally condemn hindu terrorists as much as muslim terrorists. Quran in verses 23.6 and 33.50 clearly permits muslims to have mistresses, plz go read the Quran
Oh please, you think marrying a woman of a different faith is a sin?? geeez Miss Curious, You really gotta read more and find how decadent the Mughals got at the time of Shah Jahan. I mean you had a harem other wise known as ''apartments'' that existed right across the water from the Taj. In some ways what went on in the Mughal courts were a lot like what happened in those of the Roman Empire.
@suryavajra It's interesting you used Shah Jahan's name. In a documentary I watched recently about the building of Taj Mahal, it was said that after he fulfilled his duty of producing a son with the two wives he married before Mumtaz Mahal (she was engaged to him at age 14 but became his 3rd wife) , he spent all his available time with Mumtaz only. Of course I am only talking about Shah Jahan who was *in love* with Mumtaz Mahal who also has the background of royalty.
@suryavajra Shah Jahan, from I read on wiki, had 2 sons and 2 daughters. The two sons competed for the throne. Shah Jahan favored the older daughter and so the younger daughter resented and she informed Shah Jahan's plan to assassinate Aurangzeb. The older daughter, favored by Shah Jahan, sided with the other son. When Aurangzeb took over, the older daughter was pushed aside for some time but not forever.
I remember hearing about this. The older daughter stayed with the father even while under house arrest, and was there when the news arrived that the older son had been kiled by Aurangzeb.
@suryavajra Yeah, she stayed with her father. She nursed her father back complete depression/mourning of Mumtaz. She had also done some good thing (health-wise) for Aurangzeb and so he took her back in later. BTW, there were 4 sons but two were defeated by Aurangzeb very early in the game of succession. The chosen heir Dara was betrayed and was turned over to Aurangzeb and was executed a yea after Aurangzeb became the emperor.
@suryavajra I think that up until the royalty lost the political power (as in modern Britain) , most of the time, royal families everywhere compete for the throne in anyway they could.
true, though the cruelty of Aurangzeb to his brother is pretty up there. I mean he had the head of Dara delivered to Shah Jahan. That ust goes above and beyond competition.
@suryavajra Yeah, that' so cruel. The only reason that Shah Jahan wanted to get rid of Auranzeb was that he knew that Auranzeb would be trouble for Dara's succession. If Shah Jahan would have not told the younger daughter about the poisioning plot to kill Auranzeb......
@manhornz This is a hard earned status and loathe to America having to admit that India is just that! But then India had America on its knees before! In 1971 when we split Pakistan in two and dared America. Kissinger still talks to himself in his sleep. America is not using India it is begging India -Pakistan is begging America - See what happens if America does a DRONE on us! To sum up PAKISTAN MOON ON FLAG - INDIA FLAG ON MOON. So have you done a DNA test buddy? Good chance you are INDIAN TOO!
Are you joking? That's why Indians are climbing over each other to get to the US but I don't see many American citizens looking to go to India unless they are actually Indian.
The US simply needs India's population as a cheap source of labour to counter China's
If the US used drones on you what would you do? About 30% of your country is ruled by Naxalite rebels and the US could nuke India tomorrow without a care in the world since no one would care to take revenge for you
You're worried about an Indian flag on the moon when the number of people under the poverty line in India is double that of Pakistan?
Regardless, that's a long time coming considering you guys are even failing at launching rockets/missiles.
Ethnically we're not Bharati we're Paki. Pakistan has never been a part of Bharat - you only think this because for hundreds of years Muslims ruled the region which was followed briefly by the Brit's which made it appeared we were.
@gonedoolali BTW - the languauge you speak today which you call hindi is nowhere near the hindi it was originally. You are speaking more urdu and less hindi. Idiots even adopted their language and call hindi. Very few words of your spoken langauge come from your native language, so there!
Considering that Hindi and Urdu are pretty much sister languages of one broader language called Hindustani, so what??
Actually MissCurious, I'm studying Persian at the moment, and one can argue that many of the words in Urdu are not even native words as they come from Farsi!! lol!
I'm not surprised citizen, rather it ws aa response to Miss Curious. It was to point out to her that language is NOT static or pure. Those that are pure and static are dead. Those that are alive draws on others and shifts and grows with the years. I happen to study Farsi at the moment and love the language, so who knows, maybe I'll learn Urdu soon?
@gonedoolali Also, the Muslims were only around 10% of the population throughout their 1000 year rule. Even to this day, your super duper weapons are probably designed by the Indian Muslims. Indeed, the tourist industry provides a lot of your revenue and so does Bollywood. Most of the song/script writers and brains behind them are Muslim too. Did you know, the Mughals married your hindu daughters too!
@gonedoolali You fool. If you look back at indian history Mughals were the Superpower of their time. When they invaded india, you could not even defend yourselves. As for being majority Hindu, you'll find that is purely becuase they did not discriminate against you, and allowed Hindus to practice their faith. Indeed it is against Islam to force someone to convert. Everthing your country represents today i.e. the architecture, culture, food, language, heritage etc etc comes from them.
The idiots say they ruled us for 1000 years -sounds like real sour tangerines to me -1000 years and still brother Hindus they could not break us -We are still a major religion and a Superpower in only 60 years -no Muslim nation is or even close to being a superpower (not possible head is in balls) anyway jai hind and pride in the fact that history proves no one can break us ever! Esp. now with our super fireworks! Jai Hind
If they wanted they could have killed every Hindu in Bharat (just look at the horrible atrocities committed against the native Americans in N. America and S. America) but did not because of Islam's peaceful nature.
Hindu/Sikhs have this belief that you held up against Muslims but the truth is you were never a match. Infighting among Muslims led the decline of the Mughal empire which Ahmad shah took over (so when did you stop him?).
Oh, what about the Arab conquest of Persia?? Or the fact that during Babur's times, the Safavid Persians were killing off Sunnis in cities like Herat in what was essentially a sectarian war between Shias and Sunnis? Or the fact that you hear about Muslim terrorists bombing mosques and attacking religious pilgrims in Pakistan and Iraq??
Personally I dislike the "Shia" view on theology as I see many flaws in it (this is the same with men like Nadir Shah who tried to get Iran back to traditional islam) but a lot of things many other Muslims would have found disturbing have already been abandoned.
I agree that Muslims need to stop fighting amongst ourselves and start to talk/debate things out with each other as commanded by our creator (Surah 49:10) because this would more likely lead to a fast resolution.
Well my friend, I happen to be a Hindu myself, and I see killing in the name of what should be personal belief and personal relationship with God as really something that really flies in the name of spirituality.
I have Afghan friends who are Muslims who are the nicest people I've ever met. The spiritual issue never comes between us. We see each other really as people who are neighbors.
A friend of mine is writing a college thesis on Nadir Shah and decline of Persia.
However, it will take debate/discourse among Muslims which they have yet to do on a grand scale (though modern tech will most likely be the tool to assist us by allowing Muslims all around the world to come together and share their views/ideas on various subject matters at a moments notice) in order to settle on what that is and even if we disagree on various matters as brothers/sisters in faith we are commanded to be loyal and peaceful to one another.
The problem manhornz is what happened with many religions back in the middle ages. It became politicized. Rulers couched their political agendas in the name of religion. Sunnis vs.Shias. etc. And killing percieved enemies and taking over terrirotry was justified by new found religious mandate.
Ask yourself how one could justify when the Quizilbash could go to Herat and kill a Sunni sheikh for refusing to say the prayer they wanted, in front of his whole congregation??
Well debate and discussion are always better than going out and killing people. Because it is through discussion and debate that the better angels of your nature can come out.
The decline of the Mughal Empire has to do with the fact that by the end they has pissed everyone off. The Rajputs, and I'm surprised no one mentioned this, under Durga Das of Rathore, turned against Aurangzeb. You also had the rise of the Marathas under Shivaji and Tanaji, add to that, that Aurangzeb's own son turned against him, and then add on to that, the Persian invaded after Aurangzeb's death and carried off the Peacock Throne and it's pretty obvious how it went down.
For how many years the Hindu's had been rising up against Muslims? They've always been launching rebellion after rebellion. As stated previously when Aurangzeb died his sons started to fight b/w each other which led to the eventual downfall of the Mughals.
For a long time we fought against Khorasan's armies (though the Ottomans, Mughals and Khorasan should have been one) on top of the immensely larger Hindu forces but stayed in power - internal fighting is what destroyed it.
It really wasn't Hindu vs. Muslim from Akbar down to Shah Jahan. It became a problem with Aurangzeb started imposing those ultra puritanical laws. That's when pretty much the Rajput princes stopped supporting the Mughals, and left a hollowed out Empire that was facing both enemies from within and enemies from without.
Though remember one thing, you wouldn't have been one as the Shah of Persia was a Shia. Infact there are even rumors that Babur and Humayun converted to (cont)
You're no Superpower - the US is trying to use Bharat in order to annoy China and Pakistan.
If you forgot Pakistan had only 5% of all industry between us but in a very short while we caught up, our GDP per capita's are virtually identical and the number of people under the poverty line in Pakistan is half that of India and that's with us having a major influx of refugees (not to mention the 5 million from the war with the USSR).
Not to mention our weapons programs are way better
The idiots say they ruled us for 1000 years -sounds like real sour tangerines to me -1000 years and still brother Hindus they could not break us -We are still a major religion and a Superpower in only 60 years -no Muslim nation is or even close to being a superpower (not possible head is in balls) anyway jai hind and pride in the fact that history proves no one can break us ever! Esp. now with our super fireworks! Jai Hind
These two are such a stupid. The history shows tht Shivaji Maharaj kicked the ass of Mughuls and which made Aurangzeb's last 27 years invested totally in war with Maraths. His capital itself he shifted from DDelhi to Aurangabad. He spend most of his welth and his generela in this war. What they are talking about Jahagirs? Bastards...
yes but remember that not everything that the mughals did were bad, for instance dara shikoh transalted the upanishads and bhagavad gita into persian for muslims to read and it meant that eventually the europeans began reading the bhagavad gita
holly smoke. The professor lecture was zzzzz boring. I couldn't believe he did't do his homework by learn hard on his notes. It's awful read it like that.
Most people dont know that big chunk of mughal empire consisted of Hindu kingdoms with hindu kings. eg: Rajputs . Without which Mughal empire is nothing.
Mughal empire doesnt mean muslim rule over India. Only half knowledge idiots think that Muzzies can take over ENTIRE india.
As long as there are Hindu warriors that's never gonna happen.
More Shivaji's and Krishna devaraya's will come and kick some muzzie ass.
hatke159 6 months ago
Indeed Great Mughals have changed the whole culture of Indian subcontinent starting from Great babur who himself wrote in his memoirs Baburnama that no King could dare to write as much as he wrote about India when he invaded and also his various achievement. Under Mughal Rule everthing was perfect India was called the golden bird esp when European Travellers came they werre awestruck. Hatts off to Great mughal.....carrying blood of Timur and Chengiz Khan
24sweetguy 6 months ago
India is the birth place of Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism and Sikhism, collectively known as Indian religions.Today, Hinduism and Buddhism are the world's third- and fourth-largest religions respectively, with over 2 billion followers together,and possibly as many as 2.5 or 2.6 billion followers.India is also the birthplace for the Lingayat and Ahmadiyya faiths.According to 2001 India census, Hindi is the most spoken language in India, followed by Bengali, Telugu, Marathi and Tamil in that order.
thiedevil 6 months ago
GONE FOR GOOD IF WOULD BEEN GREAT IF BRITISH COAME LITTLE BIT EARLIER.
visi365 7 months ago
WHAT THEY BOTH ARE SAYING IS LICK MUSLIM ASS. THAT WILL NOT HAPPEN.
visi365 7 months ago
FUCKING CRAP
visi365 7 months ago
Maharana Pratap considered to exemplify the qualities to which Rajputs aspire.Maharana Pratap never accepted Akbar as ruler of India, and fought Akbar all his life. Akbar first tried diplomacy to win over Maharana Pratap but nothing worked. Maharana could have become friends with Akbar, but in the siege of Chittor Akbar had killed 27,000 civilians. This left a lasting impression on Maharana's mind and he decided he could not bow to such injustice and cruelty.
taaaydman 10 months ago
@taaaydman What injustice? They could have worked with Akbar but they chose not to and then it was too late to get a hand shake? Is that surprising. One should know how to play politics.
citizenOfNowhere777 2 months ago
Akbar had committed many atrocities. History tells us that he had burnt down thousands of villages killing innocent people.Not just that,Akbar had ordered to
cut down thousands of trees.The locals in order to save the trees use to tie themselves around trees, which included children and women. Emperor Akbar
ordered to cut down the trees along with the people.
taaaydman 10 months ago
Maratha Empire मराठा साम्राज्य - Maratha confederacy was an hindu power that existed from 1674 to 1818. At its peak the empire covered much of South Asia, with a territory of over 2.8 million km². The empire was founded and consolidated by Shivaji and successfully fought the Mughals to defend his kingdom.The Maratha Empire waged war for 27 years with the Mughals from 1681 to 1707 which became the longest war ever fought in the history of India. The Marathas eventually emerged victorious.
taaaydman 10 months ago
@taaaydman U fool who said what the hell was shivaji he used to escape from the grasp of Great Auranzeb and you are telling him King ha ha ha he is known as Mountain Rat . Also he never ruled India it was always Mughal even after Auranzeb his son Bahadur shah ruled. About Maratha power go and read third Battle of Panipat where Pathans Ahmed shah Abdali Crushed and defeated the Maratha mercilessly. Who could dare to fight Pathans.
24sweetguy 6 months ago
What Guru Gobind Singh has said about Aurangzeb is well known this is what Bulleh Shah had to say about the matter ” Na kahun tab ki nah kahun ab ki agar na hote Guru Gobind Singh to sunat hoti sab ki''
jssidhoo 10 months ago
Rana seems to think that Aurangzeb was tolerant towards the Hindus . Aurangzeb lived from 4nov 1618 to3mar 1707 Guru Gobind Singh lived from 22dec 1668 to 7 oct 1708 and Bulleh Shah lived from 1680 to 1757 so they lived at the same time and what they have to say on the matter has more truth in it than any research done by Rana 300 yrs later.
jssidhoo 10 months ago
@ suryavajra Regarding 'bending -I know exactly what you are saying, but I have to speak the language manhornz understands -What is the point of using your argument, eloquence and intellect (or for that matter mine) on an idiot like him!
gonedoolali 1 year ago
@manhornz The loss was because you treated you 'brothers' Bangladeshis like 'niggers' Isn't that what you call Indians as well? And they took your loolas after you raped and murdered them and showed them wholesale in your mouths! 93,000 prisoners of war -Are these the brave lions you talk of? Seems India has all the lion tamers needed, LOL Now since you have nothing to say about Pakistan tell me about China (the most Muslim hating nation in the world -me thinks they are using you)
gonedoolali 1 year ago
@gonedoolali
Actually the funny thing, or not funny at all, is that the Chinese government have oppresed the Hui (Chinese Muslims) and Uyghurs (Turkic Muslims), in Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, and more often than not, the Pakistani government has helped the Chinese round up these dissidents in Pakistan proper....
suryavajra 1 year ago
@manhornz So exactly when are you going to use these Missiles against the slow moving American drones that violate your air space and kill Pakis EVERYDAY? What do you think would happen if America killed even ONE Indian like that? I think America knows the answer -who cares what you think! The most advanced operational missile in the world right now is the Brahmos (google it you tube it) The Brah comes from sanskrit! Ok my ex Hindu friend! Chow
gonedoolali 1 year ago
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gonedoolali 1 year ago
@manhornz America has been in bed with Pakistan since 1948. All your weapons used against India are American? So suddenly America is against you in cahoots with India? You make us laugh - Pathetic! The truth is simple America learned not to 'fuck with India' (We taught them). And now they suck our front and you get their behinds to lick! Says it all really! They need us and we are THAT STRONG we made them bend! .
gonedoolali 1 year ago
@gonedoolali
Dude, that is NOT the reason why.
Since the end of the Cold War and rise of Terrorism, the United States has found that it infact has a lot of national security interests along with economic, political and even cultural reasons why it should develop closer relations with India. This will only continue to deepen because both countries have a lot in common, not because one made the other ''bend''.
suryavajra 1 year ago
@manhornz You are quick to mention the India China war. But you fail to mention the 93,000 Pakistani prisoners of war the Indians captured in 1971 (Memory lapse? LOL) The greatest ever capture of prisoners in human history! They were going to be slaughtered by the Bangalis but the Hindu Punjabi Indians spared them Look at them on you tube -They look like little lambs to the slaughter! Ahhh
gonedoolali 1 year ago
@manhornz It makes no difference what you say. It's only a frustrated eat your heart out Paki saying it. In reality India is tipped to be 2nd largest economy in the world (Look at these Hindus -what an amazing race -at the end of the day they are so gloriously victorious LOL) Pakistan is deemed a very failed state -this is what you have done with your legacy! Ex untouchable Hindus (Chooras) By the way if you speak in Urdu or Punjabi go do a DNA test Its good to know who your granddad is!
gonedoolali 1 year ago
@manhornz Were the 93,000 prisoners of war India captured in 1971 Moguls? If so then I suggest Indians well and truly paid the so called fake moguls back! The biggest capture of POWs ever in human history I add. And what about the Bangladeshis (East Pakistani) are they also Mogul -When is your next fun comment?
gonedoolali 1 year ago
@gonedoolali
That loss was due to the betrayal of those we saw as our brothers/sisters in faith in Bangladesh and the fact those soldiers were isolated on a land mass from support in what was then West Pakistan.
Why is it you Bharati's have done little to nothing every war before then and were even beaten back by a few thousand mujahid during the Kargil conflict? In 1965 the closest war to 1971 we inflicted almost the exact same damage to you yet outnumbered 9 to 1 at the time.
manhornz 1 year ago
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@manhornz @suryavajra I do specifically mean HINDU. If it is not down to religions then like him every Indian can claim to be a Mogul too"! I am a tall straight backed proud Sikh and as you know to us the Moguls were nothing! But let me make you laugh -By his argument all Bangladeshis are Moguls and ruled over India- Get it" I know he does!" We Indians should all selectively claim whenever we want to that we are Moguls! We are as much as he thinks he is!
gonedoolali 1 year ago
@suryavajra I do specifically mean HINDU. If it is not down to religions then like him every Indian can claim to be a Mogul too"! I am a tall straight backed proud Sikh and as you know to us the Moguls were nothing! But let me make you laugh -By his argument all Bangladeshis are Moguls and ruled over India- Get it" I know he does!" We Indians should all selectively claim whenever we want to that we are Moguls! We are as much as he thinks he is!
gonedoolali 1 year ago
@gonedoolali
Well weren't there Hindu generals and courtiers in the Mughal Empire?? Back then you didn't really have the modern concept of nationality, but rather you were subjects of some King or of some dynasty.
But yes, I understand why you would of have no love for the Mughal Empire. Guru Tegh Bahadur was a martyr against the Mughals. Well my friend, my folks come from Southern India which was NOT part of the Mughal Empire. So it's identity politics can get pretty messy here.
suryavajra 1 year ago
@manhornz 30% are Nexalites? News to me -If America nuked India there would be no more America -as you know they are licking our arse! Red carpet and all. By the way I am not worried about the Indian flag on the moon I was celebrating it. Whatever you say can in the true light of things look only as a man eating his heart out in rage ad jealousy -Good -That is exactly what propels us good people
gonedoolali 1 year ago
@gonedoolali
I agree that the whole nuke argument is a silly one. Nobody is nuking anyone else. America and India are allies, and both have a lot to gain from each other.
suryavajra 1 year ago
@gonedoolali
Great to see Bharati's like you still haven't lost their sense of humor.
American's don't need you for anything else other than an attempt to cause problems for Pakistan and China (for the later as an alternative cheap labor source)
During your war with China (with military manpower around 1:1) you got you asses beat so explain a nation like yours who are years behind Pakistan when it comes to missile technology could even think about competing with the US and it's ICBM's?
manhornz 1 year ago
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gonedoolali 1 year ago
@manhornz If the level of poverty is double that of Pakistan that means it is five times less! (Per capita) Thousands of years 'you' (you mean the Arabs) ruled over the Hindus and then?? Even after all that time the HINDU survived well actually more then survived don't you think -So what is it you can do, you are baggers. Now go and do a DNA test I dare you! And you will find like 90% of you your forefathers are HINDU -Do you respect your grandad or have you sold him to America?
gonedoolali 1 year ago
@gonedoolali
Well I do not know if you could genetically prove they were Hindu people, as you cannot test for faith, but you could I suppose, test for where his family lived for thousands of years and extrapolate from that what religion they likely subscribed to at the time.
suryavajra 1 year ago
@gonedoolali
Hindu's survived thanks to the generosity of Muslims.
We aren't like Christians and other Kaffir's that go around mercilessly killing civilians as evidenced by the Ottoman empire to which Christians and Jews ran to to escape Christian persecution in Europe (or at the hands of tyrants like Vlad).
I did do a DNA test and it came back NOT BHARATI - but we did rule over the Bharati ppl. My ancestors weren't Hindu (no book in this region ever describes the people as such).
manhornz 1 year ago
@manhornz
Hindus survived primarily because of their own faith, and which they continued to practice regardless of the ruling regime of the time. And that tolerance between Hindus and Muslims were fostered by religious moderates like Akbar and his decedents as well as those primarily Sufi mystics who tried to find spiritual common ground. Remember except for Aurangzeb, all of the Mughals were into the Sufi mysticism.
suryavajra 1 year ago
@manhornz
As for the Ottoman Empire, I'll say this. You are right that they were known for their toleration, and that people all faiths lived there and that at one time it was the Christian nations of Europe that were fiercely intolerant of other Christians let alone other faiths, but since then, in this weird turn of history, it's the Christian nations predominately those of the Americas but also those of Europe who are the most tolerant nations in the world, while in many Islamic (cont)
suryavajra 1 year ago
@suryavajra
countries being the wrong kind of Muslim let alone being a person of some other faith is enough to warrant violence and death to be inflicted upon you, if not a living a life of being an oppressed minority, and it only seems to be getting worse.
suryavajra 1 year ago
@gonedoolali
The people living under the poverty line figure is a per capita measure to begin with.
That means twice the number of people in India per capita live under the poverty line as compared to Pakistan .
manhornz 1 year ago
@vixter1980 Your talking nonsense again. Nowhere in the Quran does it say a man can have mistresses. In the verses your quoting, it says "except in marriage" so read again properly. The only legal relationship allowed between man and woman is through marriage. A handful of people who have taken law into their own hands to fight for the injustice being done to their people does not equate to majority or 99% terrorists. If you counted the numbers, you'll find hindus are in fact much greater.
MissCurious007 1 year ago
@vixter1980 Well you proved to me that you have a habit of making up stories. Each time I've given you direct proof you move away and start another subject. I heard a lot of these Mughals married hindu women without even converting them. I guess that may be the reason for their downfall, as it is considered haram in Islam and so is having mistresses. You still haven't answered my question on the 99% hindu terrorists in Kashmir and Hydrabad. I can't understand a word these 2 are saying.
MissCurious007 1 year ago
@MissCurious007 I agree there are hindu terrorists, when did i say there arent? I am saying MAJORITY of terrorists around the world are muslims, hindus are only minorities, but I equally condemn hindu terrorists as much as muslim terrorists. Quran in verses 23.6 and 33.50 clearly permits muslims to have mistresses, plz go read the Quran
vixter1980 1 year ago
@vixter1980 This argument that "MAJORITY of terrorists around the world are muslims" is funny because you failed to consider the population size.
citizenOfNowhere777 2 months ago
@MissCurious007
Oh please, you think marrying a woman of a different faith is a sin?? geeez Miss Curious, You really gotta read more and find how decadent the Mughals got at the time of Shah Jahan. I mean you had a harem other wise known as ''apartments'' that existed right across the water from the Taj. In some ways what went on in the Mughal courts were a lot like what happened in those of the Roman Empire.
suryavajra 1 year ago
@suryavajra It's interesting you used Shah Jahan's name. In a documentary I watched recently about the building of Taj Mahal, it was said that after he fulfilled his duty of producing a son with the two wives he married before Mumtaz Mahal (she was engaged to him at age 14 but became his 3rd wife) , he spent all his available time with Mumtaz only. Of course I am only talking about Shah Jahan who was *in love* with Mumtaz Mahal who also has the background of royalty.
citizenOfNowhere777 2 months ago
@citizenOfNowhere777
Yes, that was the wife he really loved. Didn't he have three sons or am I thinking of some other Emperor.
suryavajra 2 months ago
@suryavajra Shah Jahan, from I read on wiki, had 2 sons and 2 daughters. The two sons competed for the throne. Shah Jahan favored the older daughter and so the younger daughter resented and she informed Shah Jahan's plan to assassinate Aurangzeb. The older daughter, favored by Shah Jahan, sided with the other son. When Aurangzeb took over, the older daughter was pushed aside for some time but not forever.
The older daughter was known as a loving person.
citizenOfNowhere777 2 months ago
@citizenOfNowhere777
I remember hearing about this. The older daughter stayed with the father even while under house arrest, and was there when the news arrived that the older son had been kiled by Aurangzeb.
suryavajra 2 months ago
@suryavajra Yeah, she stayed with her father. She nursed her father back complete depression/mourning of Mumtaz. She had also done some good thing (health-wise) for Aurangzeb and so he took her back in later. BTW, there were 4 sons but two were defeated by Aurangzeb very early in the game of succession. The chosen heir Dara was betrayed and was turned over to Aurangzeb and was executed a yea after Aurangzeb became the emperor.
citizenOfNowhere777 2 months ago
@citizenOfNowhere777
Yes I remember hearing that Dara would of made a better Emperor who could of kept it going,
suryavajra 2 months ago
@suryavajra I think that up until the royalty lost the political power (as in modern Britain) , most of the time, royal families everywhere compete for the throne in anyway they could.
citizenOfNowhere777 2 months ago
@citizenOfNowhere777
true, though the cruelty of Aurangzeb to his brother is pretty up there. I mean he had the head of Dara delivered to Shah Jahan. That ust goes above and beyond competition.
suryavajra 2 months ago
@suryavajra Yeah, that' so cruel. The only reason that Shah Jahan wanted to get rid of Auranzeb was that he knew that Auranzeb would be trouble for Dara's succession. If Shah Jahan would have not told the younger daughter about the poisioning plot to kill Auranzeb......
citizenOfNowhere777 2 months ago
@citizenOfNowhere777
History would of been different....
suryavajra 2 months ago
@manhornz This is a hard earned status and loathe to America having to admit that India is just that! But then India had America on its knees before! In 1971 when we split Pakistan in two and dared America. Kissinger still talks to himself in his sleep. America is not using India it is begging India -Pakistan is begging America - See what happens if America does a DRONE on us! To sum up PAKISTAN MOON ON FLAG - INDIA FLAG ON MOON. So have you done a DNA test buddy? Good chance you are INDIAN TOO!
gonedoolali 1 year ago
@gonedoolali
Are you joking? That's why Indians are climbing over each other to get to the US but I don't see many American citizens looking to go to India unless they are actually Indian.
The US simply needs India's population as a cheap source of labour to counter China's
If the US used drones on you what would you do? About 30% of your country is ruled by Naxalite rebels and the US could nuke India tomorrow without a care in the world since no one would care to take revenge for you
manhornz 1 year ago
@gonedoolali
You're worried about an Indian flag on the moon when the number of people under the poverty line in India is double that of Pakistan?
Regardless, that's a long time coming considering you guys are even failing at launching rockets/missiles.
Ethnically we're not Bharati we're Paki. Pakistan has never been a part of Bharat - you only think this because for hundreds of years Muslims ruled the region which was followed briefly by the Brit's which made it appeared we were.
manhornz 1 year ago
@manhornz
Well even in being Paki, you are polyglot. Pakistani consistsof many peoples themselves. Punjabis, Muhajirs, Sindhi, Baluchi, Pashtun etc.
suryavajra 1 year ago
@gonedoolali BTW - the languauge you speak today which you call hindi is nowhere near the hindi it was originally. You are speaking more urdu and less hindi. Idiots even adopted their language and call hindi. Very few words of your spoken langauge come from your native language, so there!
MissCurious007 1 year ago
@MissCurious007
Considering that Hindi and Urdu are pretty much sister languages of one broader language called Hindustani, so what??
Actually MissCurious, I'm studying Persian at the moment, and one can argue that many of the words in Urdu are not even native words as they come from Farsi!! lol!
suryavajra 1 year ago
@suryavajra Why are you surprised Urdu's origin in Farsi? The Mughuls were Turkish but adopted Persia culture.
citizenOfNowhere777 2 months ago
@citizenOfNowhere777
I'm not surprised citizen, rather it ws aa response to Miss Curious. It was to point out to her that language is NOT static or pure. Those that are pure and static are dead. Those that are alive draws on others and shifts and grows with the years. I happen to study Farsi at the moment and love the language, so who knows, maybe I'll learn Urdu soon?
suryavajra 2 months ago
@gonedoolali Also, the Muslims were only around 10% of the population throughout their 1000 year rule. Even to this day, your super duper weapons are probably designed by the Indian Muslims. Indeed, the tourist industry provides a lot of your revenue and so does Bollywood. Most of the song/script writers and brains behind them are Muslim too. Did you know, the Mughals married your hindu daughters too!
MissCurious007 1 year ago
@MissCurious007 and did u know one of ur nawaabs offered their daughters to ranjit singh, that too without marriage?
vixter1980 1 year ago
@gonedoolali You fool. If you look back at indian history Mughals were the Superpower of their time. When they invaded india, you could not even defend yourselves. As for being majority Hindu, you'll find that is purely becuase they did not discriminate against you, and allowed Hindus to practice their faith. Indeed it is against Islam to force someone to convert. Everthing your country represents today i.e. the architecture, culture, food, language, heritage etc etc comes from them.
MissCurious007 1 year ago
@MissCurious007 wow, so u r debating here too. Do you know why 99% of terrorists are muslims today?
vixter1980 1 year ago
@vixter1980 Where did you get the statistic is that 99% terrorists are Muslims. Beside, by what definition (of yours) are they terrorists?
citizenOfNowhere777 2 months ago
@MissCurious007
Not necessarily. My folks comes from the South, and the architecture, culture, food, language, heritage, etc., reflect that of the Hindus.
suryavajra 1 year ago
The idiots say they ruled us for 1000 years -sounds like real sour tangerines to me -1000 years and still brother Hindus they could not break us -We are still a major religion and a Superpower in only 60 years -no Muslim nation is or even close to being a superpower (not possible head is in balls) anyway jai hind and pride in the fact that history proves no one can break us ever! Esp. now with our super fireworks! Jai Hind
gonedoolali 1 year ago
@gonedoolali
That's what you should be thanking Islam for.
If they wanted they could have killed every Hindu in Bharat (just look at the horrible atrocities committed against the native Americans in N. America and S. America) but did not because of Islam's peaceful nature.
Hindu/Sikhs have this belief that you held up against Muslims but the truth is you were never a match. Infighting among Muslims led the decline of the Mughal empire which Ahmad shah took over (so when did you stop him?).
manhornz 1 year ago
@manhornz
Oh, what about the Arab conquest of Persia?? Or the fact that during Babur's times, the Safavid Persians were killing off Sunnis in cities like Herat in what was essentially a sectarian war between Shias and Sunnis? Or the fact that you hear about Muslim terrorists bombing mosques and attacking religious pilgrims in Pakistan and Iraq??
suryavajra 1 year ago
@suryavajra
Personally I dislike the "Shia" view on theology as I see many flaws in it (this is the same with men like Nadir Shah who tried to get Iran back to traditional islam) but a lot of things many other Muslims would have found disturbing have already been abandoned.
I agree that Muslims need to stop fighting amongst ourselves and start to talk/debate things out with each other as commanded by our creator (Surah 49:10) because this would more likely lead to a fast resolution.
manhornz 1 year ago
@manhornz
Well my friend, I happen to be a Hindu myself, and I see killing in the name of what should be personal belief and personal relationship with God as really something that really flies in the name of spirituality.
I have Afghan friends who are Muslims who are the nicest people I've ever met. The spiritual issue never comes between us. We see each other really as people who are neighbors.
A friend of mine is writing a college thesis on Nadir Shah and decline of Persia.
suryavajra 1 year ago
@manhornz
However even among Sunnis there are disagreements on theology. Look at the different schools of Jurisprudence.
suryavajra 1 year ago
@suryavajra
There is only one Islam.
However, it will take debate/discourse among Muslims which they have yet to do on a grand scale (though modern tech will most likely be the tool to assist us by allowing Muslims all around the world to come together and share their views/ideas on various subject matters at a moments notice) in order to settle on what that is and even if we disagree on various matters as brothers/sisters in faith we are commanded to be loyal and peaceful to one another.
manhornz 1 year ago
@manhornz
The problem manhornz is what happened with many religions back in the middle ages. It became politicized. Rulers couched their political agendas in the name of religion. Sunnis vs.Shias. etc. And killing percieved enemies and taking over terrirotry was justified by new found religious mandate.
Ask yourself how one could justify when the Quizilbash could go to Herat and kill a Sunni sheikh for refusing to say the prayer they wanted, in front of his whole congregation??
suryavajra 1 year ago
@manhornz
Well debate and discussion are always better than going out and killing people. Because it is through discussion and debate that the better angels of your nature can come out.
suryavajra 1 year ago
@suryavajra
No, debate and discussion didn't remove the French from Algeria or the Italians from Libya.
Debate and discussion didn't remove the British from the United States either.
Debate and discussion didn't end the genocide in Bosnia or Chechnya.
Debate and discussion does have it's merits but only in certain contexts.
manhornz 1 year ago
@manhornz
You are correct that it depends on context.
Debate and discussion do not remove the threat of Taliban oppresion or Al Qaeda terrorism.
Debate and Discussion did not remove the kidnappings and killings of Filipinos at the hands of Abu Sayif,
Debate and Discussion do not deter pirates in the Red Sea from preying on world commerce.
However, when it comes to such matters at faith and spirituality between different communities, that is when such values are needed.
suryavajra 1 year ago
@manhornz
The decline of the Mughal Empire has to do with the fact that by the end they has pissed everyone off. The Rajputs, and I'm surprised no one mentioned this, under Durga Das of Rathore, turned against Aurangzeb. You also had the rise of the Marathas under Shivaji and Tanaji, add to that, that Aurangzeb's own son turned against him, and then add on to that, the Persian invaded after Aurangzeb's death and carried off the Peacock Throne and it's pretty obvious how it went down.
suryavajra 1 year ago
@suryavajra
For how many years the Hindu's had been rising up against Muslims? They've always been launching rebellion after rebellion. As stated previously when Aurangzeb died his sons started to fight b/w each other which led to the eventual downfall of the Mughals.
For a long time we fought against Khorasan's armies (though the Ottomans, Mughals and Khorasan should have been one) on top of the immensely larger Hindu forces but stayed in power - internal fighting is what destroyed it.
manhornz 1 year ago
@manhornz
It really wasn't Hindu vs. Muslim from Akbar down to Shah Jahan. It became a problem with Aurangzeb started imposing those ultra puritanical laws. That's when pretty much the Rajput princes stopped supporting the Mughals, and left a hollowed out Empire that was facing both enemies from within and enemies from without.
Though remember one thing, you wouldn't have been one as the Shah of Persia was a Shia. Infact there are even rumors that Babur and Humayun converted to (cont)
suryavajra 1 year ago
@suryavajra
Shia Islam as a price for accepting refuge in the Persian Court and support for military campaigns in Afghanistan and India.
suryavajra 1 year ago
@gonedoolali
You're no Superpower - the US is trying to use Bharat in order to annoy China and Pakistan.
If you forgot Pakistan had only 5% of all industry between us but in a very short while we caught up, our GDP per capita's are virtually identical and the number of people under the poverty line in Pakistan is half that of India and that's with us having a major influx of refugees (not to mention the 5 million from the war with the USSR).
Not to mention our weapons programs are way better
manhornz 1 year ago
The idiots say they ruled us for 1000 years -sounds like real sour tangerines to me -1000 years and still brother Hindus they could not break us -We are still a major religion and a Superpower in only 60 years -no Muslim nation is or even close to being a superpower (not possible head is in balls) anyway jai hind and pride in the fact that history proves no one can break us ever! Esp. now with our super fireworks! Jai Hind
gonedoolali 1 year ago
Cant we get better academicians rather than these delhi-based jokers, especially the dimwit woman and the man reading from notes?
drgarga 1 year ago
it was do to the Marathas.
JacobTheIndoAmerican 1 year ago
These two are such a stupid. The history shows tht Shivaji Maharaj kicked the ass of Mughuls and which made Aurangzeb's last 27 years invested totally in war with Maraths. His capital itself he shifted from DDelhi to Aurangabad. He spend most of his welth and his generela in this war. What they are talking about Jahagirs? Bastards...
satej82 1 year ago
yeah it was the war of 27 years where shivaji's marathas defaeted the mughals
gujjucheap 1 year ago
The Decile of Mughal Empire was the greatest thing tht happened .... The Marathas did a very good job by Eliminating the Mughal DYnasty !!!!!
Jai Bhavani !!! Jai Shivaji !!!
Jai Maharashtra !!!!!!!
crazylion1988 1 year ago
yes but remember that not everything that the mughals did were bad, for instance dara shikoh transalted the upanishads and bhagavad gita into persian for muslims to read and it meant that eventually the europeans began reading the bhagavad gita
gujjucheap 1 year ago
it would be better if they would have spoken in hindi than in langauge which seems like greek to them
TheArvin1954 1 year ago
Both the professors are so pathetic and their accent is so bad.
avnish0000 1 year ago
he spoke the truth!... great professor!
moheetliverpool 2 years ago
holly smoke. The professor lecture was zzzzz boring. I couldn't believe he did't do his homework by learn hard on his notes. It's awful read it like that.
utubmania2009 2 years ago
Really good!
qqqqqqqq 2 years ago
Excellent.
MughalistanSipahi 2 years ago