The un-British mandaTORY fraud-market Poll Tax - a 1381-reborn facist Head-Count/Totalitarian Register. Leading to G rim B ritain now with more monitoring/surveillance/CCTV than anywhere on Earth except Totalitarian Terror-State North Korea!
i'd hardly think it extravagant to give the most needy social housing and to provide vital things such as waste removal and community policing. in fact "extravagant" is exactly the word i'd use to sum up the huge tax cuts that the richest estates and banking community received at the hands of this conservative government!
@Marnerbanana She was referring to the excessive layers of middle management, large bureacratic systems and overspending; local govt spending and rates rises were well above economic growth. As she says, Lab councils were charging almost double nextdoor Tory ones were.
The police were always seen v. favourably under the Thatcher govts and were rewarded duly. Waste removal also became much more efficient after privatisation, so those two are wrong. And which tax cuts for the "richest estates"?
Donillini, "Poll Tax" was a misnomer, not what it sounds like, just a type of local tax that became very political. It did go through but didn't last for long until it was replaced with a slightly modified version
The community charge was actually quite fair because it taxed consumption and not property. Why should a pensioner living alone in a house she has worked for all of her life, pay more than a welfare family that keeps spitting out new kids and consuming more local services? The poll tax was almost a semi-privatisation of local government, which could have been a success if properly promoted by government.
@plagalcadenze I agree too. A major problem where I live in London is that many of the homes are sub let to sometimes more then ten people (often illegally)in a house next door to a single old widower. The council still receives the same amount in council tax despite the usage being 10 times the amount.
@spackhollogay Well because the possessions you happen to own have no bearing on the services you consume. You people always use the millionaire example but why should a middle class family, who already pay 40% income tax, pay more because they happen to have a bigger home, that they have earned through hard work, especially when there are underclass families with lots of children, picking up a welfare handout?
@unfad1ng Wrong correlation. Consumption =/= production. You need jobs for people to be able to buy things and in order to have things to buy. Just buying things would not necessarily produce jobs.
@spackhollogay Nowhere does this happen unless that hard working family is itself made up of millionaires. The rich pay an extreme bulk of the taxes that are collected everywhere on earth. I'm wondering what would make you happy.. would it be if anyone making more than you were taxed until their income were the same as or less than yours? Seems like.
@asiq1987 I doubt you know BritishJohn04 on a personal enough basis to say that. And even if you did and he didn't know what it was like it wouldn't mean he's wrong. arguing using an emotional trigger like class warfare is teh stuff of children.
i wanted to give thatcher a state funeral years ago........
TheJaaysog 2 weeks ago
alex salmond isnt fat there. ironic the community charge is still with us... council tax
dylanlowe456 6 months ago
The un-British mandaTORY fraud-market Poll Tax - a 1381-reborn facist Head-Count/Totalitarian Register. Leading to G rim B ritain now with more monitoring/surveillance/CCTV than anywhere on Earth except Totalitarian Terror-State North Korea!
DougPatton1 7 months ago
It seems a lot calmer in the chamber in 1990 than today. You can actually hear the questions, even the controversial ones.
MrSocialDemocrat 11 months ago
I cant get over how young Robin Cook, Ken Clarke and the now First Miniser Alex Salmond look here!
NaMgKCa 1 year ago 3
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You can see Eric Heffer in the background when Salmond is asking his question. He's been dead now for 20 years!
bismuthcadmium 9 months ago
"extravagances" of labour councils.
i'd hardly think it extravagant to give the most needy social housing and to provide vital things such as waste removal and community policing. in fact "extravagant" is exactly the word i'd use to sum up the huge tax cuts that the richest estates and banking community received at the hands of this conservative government!
Marnerbanana 1 year ago
@Marnerbanana She was referring to the excessive layers of middle management, large bureacratic systems and overspending; local govt spending and rates rises were well above economic growth. As she says, Lab councils were charging almost double nextdoor Tory ones were.
The police were always seen v. favourably under the Thatcher govts and were rewarded duly. Waste removal also became much more efficient after privatisation, so those two are wrong. And which tax cuts for the "richest estates"?
getmadgetmad1 1 year ago
Donillini, "Poll Tax" was a misnomer, not what it sounds like, just a type of local tax that became very political. It did go through but didn't last for long until it was replaced with a slightly modified version
jctutsa 1 year ago
Poll Tax? Isn't that illegal in the USA? I am a bit shocked if the UK has or had a poll tax.
Donillini 1 year ago
poll tax didnt go thru. massive demos. they tried to pass it tho.
nemesis700 1 year ago
says today there will be no increase 'across the board in this current political term'
piz$takers, they should be abolishing it. This is nothing less than a draconian tax that screws people out the best part of £100 a month. SCUMBAGS.
When will the public learn
sweetypie000 1 year ago
The community charge was actually quite fair because it taxed consumption and not property. Why should a pensioner living alone in a house she has worked for all of her life, pay more than a welfare family that keeps spitting out new kids and consuming more local services? The poll tax was almost a semi-privatisation of local government, which could have been a success if properly promoted by government.
britishjohn04 1 year ago 8
@britishjohn04 Absolutely agree
plagalcadenze 1 year ago
@plagalcadenze I agree too. A major problem where I live in London is that many of the homes are sub let to sometimes more then ten people (often illegally)in a house next door to a single old widower. The council still receives the same amount in council tax despite the usage being 10 times the amount.
seananthonyh 3 months ago
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dlk1dlk1 9 months ago
@britishjohn04 A pensioner would also have paid the same as a Duke.
dlk1dlk1 9 months ago
@britishjohn04 And why should a millionaire living alone pay less tax than an extremely hard working family?
spackhollogay 8 months ago
@spackhollogay Well because the possessions you happen to own have no bearing on the services you consume. You people always use the millionaire example but why should a middle class family, who already pay 40% income tax, pay more because they happen to have a bigger home, that they have earned through hard work, especially when there are underclass families with lots of children, picking up a welfare handout?
britishjohn04 8 months ago
@britishjohn04 Good point!
plagalcadenze 8 months ago
@britishjohn04
but isnt it better to encourage consumption , because that increases consumption which creates new jobs.
unfad1ng 7 months ago
@unfad1ng Wrong correlation. Consumption =/= production. You need jobs for people to be able to buy things and in order to have things to buy. Just buying things would not necessarily produce jobs.
daPlumber702 1 month ago
@spackhollogay The millionaire has a better accountant.
rabthe45bravo 4 months ago
@spackhollogay Nowhere does this happen unless that hard working family is itself made up of millionaires. The rich pay an extreme bulk of the taxes that are collected everywhere on earth. I'm wondering what would make you happy.. would it be if anyone making more than you were taxed until their income were the same as or less than yours? Seems like.
daPlumber702 1 month ago
@britishjohn04 you dont no what's it like living with no money
asiq1987 4 months ago
@asiq1987 I doubt you know BritishJohn04 on a personal enough basis to say that. And even if you did and he didn't know what it was like it wouldn't mean he's wrong. arguing using an emotional trigger like class warfare is teh stuff of children.
daPlumber702 1 month ago
@britishjohn04 Oh was it. Try telling that to an old man or woman who doesn't have any money.
RJWooller 4 weeks ago