@mcelite14, this could have been a great video presentation, if you'd have thought about what you were going to say before you starting speaking. You are repeating yourself over and over and over again. It's annoying.
It may be a good idea for you to redo this video; this time, you need to write down what you want to say, and read from the script.
I'm sorry but what do you see when you look in the mirror? black people just want some native in them because they can't accept the fact that their ancestors are from AFRICA! Africa is the most exotic place to be and then you guys want to be called native, if you cant claim your roots are in Africa then you have no right to idenity yourself as black people!
Ya know I don't get racism probably 'cause I wasn't raised in it. Like I said I was afraid to say I was a black and Indian, 'cause the black girls were racist to me, and I still don't get it. I'm proud to halve both of these great people in me, and I have Mexican family my grandma is from New Mexico, and my nephew and niece are half Persian and Russian, and I love Italian men, if I can love all people when I was hated, why can't other people do so?
@11rainyday the person here that is talking is an enrolled member of a native tribe. Yes it's sad but the Cherokee thing does make it hard to be taken seriously...even when the people are telling the truth
I've never commented on the matter of race on youtube. It is understandable to be disturbed about injustices prevelent in society. Just wanted to mention some Cherokee were slave holders. My family in NC didn't own any slaves on the paternal side and the only owner on the maternal side mentions one slave in the late 1700"s. Racism is ugly. We've descended from Noah.s and his three son's and their wives and I hope to live to see the day rascism to be gone and have full faith that it will happen.
Furthermore, this subject matter is taught in higher education studies involving graduate degrees in world history, ancient history and studies, islamic history, eastern studies etc
I don't see any real documentation in comments. I only see opinions. But here is "real" proof. Native American and Africans have been associated as one in the same since the ancient times. Its been documented in Christopher Columbus' diary and Bartolome de las Casas documents that Africans were in Americas long before Europeans. Read and research books, a lost art. "African and Native Americans" by Jack Forbes and "They Came Before Columbus" by Dr. Ivan Van Sertima. Read their sources as well.
I only wish people knew what it is like as an Indian, to constantly be bombarded with people' claims of an Indian great-great-granny, no matter what race the person appears to be from. It doesn't make us brethren. It doesn't make you part of the Native community. It makes you someone with ancestry.
@Ajidamoon true but also keep in mind that majority of the native pop are mixed blood and many of them don't have the privalage of growing up with the culture...it's sad. Also think of the pressure as well though if you don't know any songs or stories some dont consider u native...but u don't see black ppl saying if you can't sing Lift Every Voice and Sing then ur not black..that bs isn't seen in the African American community
@mcelite14 You are confusing race with culture. Black American isn't a culture.....The weight of your blood means little to most us.....its being claimed by your tribal Nation that counts. Most of us hate hearing people say they are "part" Native. You can't be part. You either are or you aren't. Other races in your blood don't make you non-Native. Not being claimed by your Nation makes you non-Native. Its not BS....its protection of what we do have.
Respond to this video... And there are many people in the black community who are quick to point out that if you speak with articulation, get yourself a good education and dismiss holding up rappers as role models, then you aren't black enough. It definitely works both ways. If you don't have the "privilege" of Rez life, and being surrounded by the culture, you get yourself involved before you tell everyone you meet you are "part" Native.
@Ajidamoon Thats true but how can we accomadate for those who are native by blood and that's good enough for them but they take no interest in the culture? Should they really be excluded? Especially since a number of tribes really have almost nobody left that can speak the native language of their tribe (some don't even have a native language anymore like the Nanticoke), share stories, or songs. I dont want to exclude anyone with blood...
@mcelite14 Have you ever heard the term 'Paper Indian'? That is what 'we' call those of us with tribal affiliation, yet no ties to the community of their own choosing. The sorts who only show up when they have heard rumours of things they can gain. Many Nations are making changes to their charters to exclude these people. We are on the upsurge. A renewed commitment to preserving our languages, traditions and stories is underfoot.
Being part of a tribe is a citizenship in a Nation....and there are requirements to be met. Just as there are requirements to be met to become a Canadian or an American citizen. Blood is just a foot in the door, Its all the people who tell the great-great-Granny story that have no business making a claim that they are one of us....especially if they haven't a clue as to what it is like to live everyday as an Indian.
@Ajidamoon I can relate to the great great grandma story and how aggravating it can be at times...it's also in equality aggravating to me that we're the only race that does this...you could go up to a black person and say i'm black and they'll accept they may go well u mixed with something but ok. I feel like that's apart of the major problem even though i'm tempted at times to really question ppl especially those that look white and claim Cherokee it's provoking and i think it separates us
@mcelite14 The difference is made when a person tells me their relative was from such and such Nation....NOT just generic Native American or Cherokee. I don't greet them with the skepticism I would the generic answer. The majority of of Indians would never refer to themselves as a NA....they would tell you their Nation or specific tribe. And the Cherokee nonsense has just gotten so ridiculously out of hand its not even funny anymore.
Black"foot" is a redflag too......if they don't even know the legit name of the Nation, all they likely have is a vague family story about a relative with dark hair, high cheekbones and tanned skin. High cheekbones does not an Indian make.
@Ajidamoon it becomes discouraging when they don't even know what tribe they're from...or make guesses. I am Cherokee and Choctaw my grandfather is Cherokee so for me it has been more than aggravating to hear so many ppl say that. So i'll ask where is your family from? Oklahoma, southeast US like Georgia, or even Tenn. but then they say stuff like Indiana.....so for some they just dont know their family history and the others its a big lie and i just want it to end and ppl to know their stuff
@mcelite14 Exactly. What makes it even worse, is all the Cherokee "fan clubs" out there. Fake tribes that don't have a single enrolled Cherokee among them, charge for membership and are open to anyone who thinks they might be Cherokee. They regurgitate things they have found on the web, mostly on new-age pagan sites, and do damage to our actual spirituality by promoting things no Native Nation actually believes in.
@mcelite14 All most of us want is for people to do the genealogy before making the claims. Leave the stereotypes about high cheekbones, tanned skin and "good" hair at the door. They are a stereotype for a reason.....More often than not, these people will find that the rumoured Indian hiding out in their family tree, is actually white or black. Is that bad? Nope.
@Ajidamoon No it isn't and for some its extremely embarrassing that their ancestors did a bad job in telling their children the truth or even just making sure they knew who they were....and at the same time it's true you're not gonna get certain phenotypes from mixing white and black no matter how much u mix up the batter
@mcelite14 I don't doubt that some people honestly didn't know..and were only handing down the same misinformation they were told. Its a fast that many white/black children were passed off as Native when questions arose as to their 'different' hair or shade of skin. It was less of a social stigma to be Native, as they thought they could assimilate the Indian out of us. I don't blame these people for wanting to protect their child...but more people need to know that that happened, and often.
@mcelite14 As for phenotypes....look at how many people toss around the Beringia Theory still, using the "logic' that we look like Asians. Modern science tells us that we are more closely related to each other than any other group on the planet and no more related to ancient/modern day Siberians/Mongols than we are to Norwegians or Arabs....yet people still take Beringia as gospel, Without indepth DNA analysis, not the type used in these fly-by-night companies that do supposed ancestry testing..
@mcelite14 cont: people cannot possibly base their claims of race on certain physical traits. High cheekbones can be found in every race in the world. Small, almond shaped eyes can be found in every race. Natives do not even all resermble each other....Southern US, they are quite dark. Eastern Woodlands, light enough to be taken as white.
@Ajidamoon yes what I find interesting is the media tends to only show light skinned natives...and those with bone straight hair and at times it really becomes aggravating. A good friend of mine is full blood and when we were lil kids ppl always asked her what she was mixed with...funny enough they would always say she was a light skinned black girl...once in a while ppl thought she was mexican so I strongly believe the media has played a very devasting role in this problem
@mcelite14 I find the mainstream media only portrays the Plains Indian look.....no matter which tribe they are trying to represent. Here in Canada we are fortunate enough to have an entire station dedicated to Native peoples....APTN...and we have many tv shows and media outlets that are by Indians, about Indians, for Indians....they tend to present the entire spectrum of our different look which is great as it gives you people you can relate to.
@mcelite14 A documentary you should check out, if you haven't already, is Reel Injun: On the Trail of the Hollywood Indian. It follows our role in film and media since silent films and the evolution of our portrayals. What I don't like is the trend that is still present today, of Asians, Italians, South Americans etc being cast in our roles, as that is what society thinks we ought to look like based on the last 100 years of Hollywood.
@sarahmakeswarnotlove I know this. That is why I said Black'foot'......it seems to be a catchall for people who have family blood myths of Indian ancestry. They don't realize that there is only one Blackfeet Nation in the US, in Montana, and the rest are in Canada. That is why its a red flag when someone says Blackfoot....as they don't even know where the tribe is located and that they don't call themselves that.
@sarahmakeswarnotlove Of course the most popular claim is still Cherokee by far....with Black'foot' as a second...Choctaw and Creek are up there too. Fact is, the majority of Natives did not have contact with black people.
@Ajidamoon The Cherokee actually owned slaves up and till the mid 1800s. They were not as sympathic to the black man's plight as modern blacks believe. People want to believe they are descended from some sort of hero, who rescued an opperssed slave from the white man. The only contact the Blackfeet had with any Africans was York from the Lewis and Clark expedition. I was born and raised in Montana, and trust me there is not a lot of black people.
@sarahmakeswarnotlove I've been to Montana....and yes, the Cherokee did own slaves. Just as neighbouring tribes would also sell escaped black slaves right back to their masters. They had enough conflict going on without having to worry about harbouring slaves as well. Blood myths mostly come down to a child of a black/white coupling, whether consensual or not, being passed off as Native as it was slightly more socially acceptable.
@sarahmakeswarnotlove It was apparent to "whites" that it was in their best interest to keep Indians and blacks from having much contact, lest we decide to team up.
@celena332 Actually, Shania Twain's adoptive father is Ojibwe.....the man who raised her as his own from the age of two on. Honestly, as an Ojibwe woman, I am sick to death of hearing it from everyone....black or white. If you aren't a member of the Native community then you aren't Native. You just have ancestry or a vague family myth.
@mcelite14 aalyah & kerry hilson have no native american feature's there just light skin w/long hair....weather a person is like light /brown or dark u can tell if they are part indian by simply lookin at there cheek bone's and face!
come on brother why you americans so focus on race mixes and shit like that, even africa is done with this slavery story,
by the way mulatto is a word as bad as nigger,im an african and in my language portuguese which the word came from mean a mix between a donkey and horse..
Yet, you have white people who called themselves Indians are accepted. The original Indians were of a darker complexion by the ancient pictures. If you have 99% Native American and 1% Black is not consider Native American, but If you are 99% WHITE AND 1% Native American you're considered Native. Now the New Indians are WHITE!
@Don35 Ok Instead of being an "Armchair Quarterback" then show him how it is done. Put up or shut up. One thing I cannot stand are people who will criticize another persons work, but do nothing themselves. He tried and I applaud his efforts.
I have a theory about all this. Blacks are living proof that the Native Americans did have sex with the Buffalo . Look at the similarity of the negro hair and the buffalo wool . Also the negro has the same smell as a buffalo ,they both smell like shit. I think DNA testing is in order ?
@yemonja100 I'm not 100% sure but that photo is heavily used to show that natives and blacks interacted with each other a lot more than history wants to tell.
@mcelite14 Read Loren Katz book Black Indians and it tells you who they are. That little "black" girl sitting there has a black father and that full blood indian woman sitting next to her is her mother. The book shows many mixed black natives and what tribes had black mixtures and loots of great historicalinformation.
When one delves into history . . . he/she must grasp the political and socio-economic scope of the subject; comprehend the cultural context in which communities, nations, societies were influenced; and explore all areas (music, art, education, sex, language, etc) with the purpose to present a completed work that communicates understanding of past and present events with credibility and legitimacy to subject discussed . . . put simply, read, think and speak with clarity on the issues you raise.
Blood quantum has more to do with imperialism and genocide than with not wanting races to mix. Actually, they can take the lands, resources and commit genocide (quicker) if the races mix and 'lower your percentage' of 'Indian Blood". Most Nations today continue using blood quantum to hold onto what they have and that's why they still use it as a measure of 'who you are' - casting aside their own Family. Blood is blood - period.
I am not racist toward african american but I see most african claim that they are native american but when we tell them to show the proof then african get angry...just see this video....watch?v=wWzsSg4TUMw
It is true in very small part about your claim but the DNA show that most african american have white genes mixed. For years tina turner have claimed that she was native american but with the DNA test her DNA shows that she has no native genes..and most native of continent of america have no curly kinky hair and yes may be some has some african genes. Remeber remember native don't mix with foreigner due to the culture and identity preservation
just remember people that the blacks were seen as property and the indians seen as property owners at that time. the one drop rule (completely african with one drop of black blood) was created to make sure slave owners maintained their "property", as for indians the blood content was much higher from 1/2 to 1/4 blood. they did this to make sure they could take and keep as much land from the indians as possible.
TY, the word is ask not axe and can you not say any word that ends in the letter F.Example-both,TY says bof or earth and you say erf.Blacks cannot speak proper English.
@eden8886 Sorry....your points are NOT completely accurate. Keep in mind that racial categories are a social construction developed by whites to seperate and divide and to give white people priviledge and power. People have the right to refer to and claim any heritage that runs through their veins, however, it also helps when they live among and/or interact with those who they claim heritage. By definition, having more than one type of heritage implies people can be mixed.
man you would know that most native never cut there hair its our culture to even ask such a thing some whats shows you don't understand what it is to be native american. i agree the Europeans did everything they could to keep us apart i'm Cherokee and Lakotah and i do agree you are our brother but everyone is not.. were the only culture you have to prove your apart of because all this land everyone is on is still ours. so as native were entitled to go tax free on our land that why my friend
i think colored people should stop hatin on each other and start hatin on white people for all the bullshit they put some of us through all these years we could probably take over this world besides theres probably more colored people in this world today
im fully black(2 blavk parents),but for some reason this one guy thought i was italian. I also have all diff. types of european blood. Im mediam brown, big forehead, long face, pointy chin, long pointy, wide nose. My great grand mother was Dutch with a little black blood. (i dont think thats wht). i dont no how he thought i was italian
you are correct I belive that I am Afro Indian from my Great Great Grandparents Charles Legraine Smith and Saphonia Shorter Smith I know many things about them from what my Grandmother and what my Great Aunt told me I dont care what ppl thik of me they can suck my ass good ass video
When some Blacks that claim Native heritage they dont acknowledge it as an important part of their life. They treat their Native heritage like its a piece of jewelry to be shown at appropriate times and dont take an active part in their Native culture whatsoever. Some even try to make it subsidiary to the real heritage which is African instead of a blending of two beautiful Races.
@TheMidnightBell07 Hey, this is just my opinion but here it goes. Part One I: think it has to do with two things. One thing is when some Whites claims native heritage they subscribe to it. They go to the powwows and take part in their Native heritage and Natives welcome anyone willing to learn or adapt. I also think that some of the Natives that don't accept Blacks with Native heritage are actually Whites that were unaccepted by their White people and take refuge in their Native side.
Haveing said that can both you BrendaQG and you eden8886 please stop you are destroying this page by makeing comments that have nothing to do with this video. Thank you
@BrendaQG Acknowledging us as white people when we are all only more European then anything without acknowledging someone who is more Native Indian then anything as being Native Indian or without acknowledging someone who is more black then anything as being black is childish and racist and is no different to telling blacks and Native Indians they have no right to vote and that as white people only we do.
How can you morally justify affirming the white identity of someone who is mainly European without up holding the Native American identity of someone who is mainly Native American or the black identity of someone who is mainly black?
Thakyou for telling the hard truth about this. It amazes me how the many who want African-Native American people to "Just say black period" can't see it. They can't see that's just what the white man wanted. They wanted (and perhaps still want) natives to disappear culturally if not 100% genetically.
Yet they keep on defending the notion that one drop of (non white) makes one (non white) and (non white) only. The Native tribes of do day are a people of many ancestries bound by culture.
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@BrendaQG Continued from above. For some reason some people don't want to hear that. Hordes and hordes all support the racist notions of the past. They do so and think that they are being progressive. Just so we are clear. The one drop rule was invented to keep the white race separate from other races, not to benefit any other race. There is no reason for anyone non-white to support it none at all.
The only person who is racist is you think the reverse one drop rule is o.k you would verify someone as white if they were moslty European but you would not verify someone as black if they are mostly African that is a form of genocide are you really so sick you cant see that?
You say silly thing after silly thing after silly thing for the same reasons someone throws sand in someones face to blind people from your intentions. You would verify a white person as white if they were mostly European but you would not verify a black person as black if they were mostly African are you so sick in the head you cant see how twisted and racist that is?
What a tremendous pity, that after all this time, and after everything suffered, by Native Americans, Black People, as well as all colours in-between, that ignorance, intolerance and prejudice is their still to cause divide among us. Such a situation only goes to strengthen the control of the White supremist s. We MUST unite if there is ever to be Peace and freedom, for the sake of ALL.....
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Thakyou for telling the hard truth about this. It amazes me how the many who want African-Native American people to "Just say black period" can't see it. They can't see that's just what the white man wanted. They wanted (and perhaps still want) natives to disappear culturally if not 100% genetically.
Most black Americans and white Americans who have Native American DNA are not mixed race, they are black or white. There are Native Americans who have white DNA and black DNA and most of them are not mixed race either they are Native American.
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@eden8886 What you said is self contradictory. If people have DNA that is not of just one "race". Meaning they have ancestors from America (pre 1492), and Africa and/or Europe, then they are mixed race. That is the very definition of mixed race.
You are talking about culture, which is a totally different thing. Culture is learned and what we teach our children. DNA is inherited and what your ancestors gave you weather you like it or not.
Human genetic research shows that mitochondrial DNA and Y chromosome haplotypes in us as Europeans are mixed with Asian and African ancestry are you trying to tell me that I and the entire white race are not really white but mixed race?
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@eden8886 Furthermore mitocondrial and Y-Chromosomal DNA testing shows that all living humans go back to a small number of modern humans living in Africa 70,000 years ago.
So in a genetic sense we are all African people. However since then there have been climactic differences which lead to minor differentiations in people. Different skin tone hair type etc. We call those races.
The groups we call races were basically fixed by the last ice age 10,000 BC.
How can you morally justify affirming the white identity of someone who is mainly European without up holding the Native American identity of someone who is mainly Native American or the black identity of someone who is mainly black?
Do you hate blacks and Native Americans so much you wish to wipe them out with your contradictory methods of definition ?
@eden8886 The problem EDEN is, racial identity depends on a lot of things. The "one drop" rule was created by WHITES. It is a means for racial castes, racism, skin priviledge. A child of mixed Native and African ancestry could live on the rez and be completely accepted as being Native. Doesn't mean that child isn't also African, but life experience also plays a role. This isn't about denying Africanness, but accepting ALL of yourself and NOT being defined by standards of the "pale faces."
@eden8886 being mixed is the same thing as being mixed race. My mother is very very little black mostly native and white my father is more black so I am not mixed or mixed race? So I am all vlack becuae I have black blod inme? I am mixed race.
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@eden8886 (Continued) What we are discussing however are recent ancestors, and talking about how recent counts.
For me personally I claim every race that I have a significant ancestry from. I am about 40% black, 40% white, and 20% Native. Which one should I ignore and why?
I have noticed how you have switched tunes and avoided my question, you said a mixed race person was someone who has DNA from more then one race, I told you thats as Europeans we have DNA from more then one race and I asked you if that made us as white all mixed race.
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@eden8886 Europeans and every other race has DNA from "More than one race". If you go back 70,000 years all of us go back to Africa. Your question is a straw man so I knocked it down.
Race has a certain sociological meaning. Basically people who's ancestry in say the last 10,000 years (since the last Ice age and the Natives got to America) was 99.999% from one continent's population with certain features in common.
Most of the stuff you write is like throwing sand in someones face to blind people to the fact that you would verify someone as white who is mostly European but you would not verify someone as black if they were mostly African
I aksed you a question and you respond with a red herring
How can you morally justify affirming the white identity of someone who is mainly European without up holding the Native American identity of someone who is mainly Native American or the black identity of someone who is mainly black?
@BrendaQG If your looking for a racist i would suggest you look in the mirror only a racist could justify such rank hypocrisy, how can you morally justify affirming the white identify of somone who is mainly European without up holding the Native American identify of someone who is mainly Native American or the black identify of someone who is mainly African? Whats wrong with you?
I think you have made those numbers up the likelhood of someone maintaining such an ancestry in the U.S is highly unlikely.
I have no problem with someone with two parents from other races being thought of as mixed race, its people like you who would take it much further who cause the problems.
@eden8886 I didn't make anything up and my family did maintain it's ancestry. Your writing like simply knowing who your grandfathers are is a great and difficult thing.
You made up what you said about someone looking visibly mixed- Geneticists make it clear you cannot tell someones ancestral make up by superficial traits because few genes out of thousands are responble for such traits and because superficial traits such as single colour naturally differ in all single races so there is no such thing as a visble mixed person you made that up
@eden8886 It is true that people with very different ancestries can have the same phenotype. That does not change the fact that people who share the same ancestry often have the same phenotype.
In your comment you focus on skin color too much. There is more to phenotype than skin color, hair texture and the nose. There are dozens of visible features that can tell the difference between a African from Zimbabwe and a Negrito from the Philippines and a Australian Aborigine.
When people mix they dont create brand new phenotypes because so much diversity all ready exist among the single races a mixed race person will overlap with one of them. When it comes to the colour of there skin mixed race people will overlap mostly with blacks because natural skin colour differs the most among them when it comes to the colour of there hair mixed race people will overlap with us as whites because natrual hair colour differs the most among us as whites.
I find it very hard to believe you have the ancestry you say you have the only type of people who could have such an ancestry would be someone with two parents from different races hence the reason why we define someone who has two parents from different races as mixed race. If your not lying which I think you are and you do have that ancestry and you do not have two parents from different races then you are one of very few.
@eden8886 There are in fact whole groups of people like me with long time mixed ancestries. The Redbones and many of the Creoles of Louisiana have ancestry similar to mine. All of whom I'd culturally as Creoles. Then there are the East coast Native American tribes. Those people ID as 100% Native culturally but will admit to at least white if not black admixture in their past.
Then there are families like mine we moved to missouri in 1805. The battle at Tippecanoe Indiana was in 1811
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@eden8886 I never said that MOST creoles are mixed. I said that the Redbones of Louisiana and some mixed creoles who do not have the Native Ancestry of the Redbones culturally Identify as Creole... not African American or white.
Please google the redboneheritagefoundation and get educated about them.
Some redbones are mixed race some are mainly Native American which makes them Native American, I dont understand why you feel the need to wrongly label Native Americans as mixed when they are not
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@eden8886 Because being Native American is not just about Ancestry it's about culture, it's about belonging to a tribe, it's about preserving the knowledge of ones ancestors, ALL of ones ancestors. Culture is of paramount importance to blood quantum in determining who is really a Native American.
Just who decides who's "mostly Native American" and how do they decide it? I think the tribes do, they do so based a little on ancestry and MOSTLY on culture.
@BrendaQG Somebody is still Native American if they are mostly Native American. Most people are mainly something and I think thats your problem. To you native Americans are low and nasty so you think if you tell a Native American they are mixed race when they are not they should accept it because in your mind they are just Native American so why would it matter if they wrongly call themselves mixed race because to you Native Americans are rubbish.
You would not dare try to tell someone like me or other white people who are mainly European that we are not white but mixed race because to you as white people we are better then Native Americans and I think thats sad. I dont think I am better then anybody just because I am white but you do.
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@eden8886 Well first of all I don't go around telling people what they are. Do you?
Second of all if I was asked what race do I think someone is, based on looks, I would take an honest guess anyone would.
Third of all don't talk like you know me and what I would or would not dare to do.
Someone brought up that white and East Asian folks have common ancestors 20-30,000 years ago and equated that to having a Native Grandmother or black grandfather. Your hanging your hat on a shaky nail.
Unless you want to segregate the children of people who have two parents from different races and force them to have children with each other (even this is no guarantee of maintaning mixed race ancestry) you must accept that a large number of the decedents of mixed race people will not be mixed race in the future they will be white or black etc
@BrendaQG I said that as white people we all have African and Asian DNA I have Asian and African DNA my mother had African and Asian DNA would you call us and all white people mixed race? No you would not because we are mainly European so that makes us white and yet you would not accept someone who is mainly African as black or someone who is mainly Native American as Native American and you cant see anything wrong with that?
@BrendaQG You dont accept someone who is mainly African as black or someone who is mainly Native American as Natve American you only accept people who are mainly European as a single race as long as that single race is white, so according to your logic no one has a black grandmother or Native American grandmother because to you someone who is mainly Native American is not Native American and someone who is mainly black is not black.
@BrendaQG I said to you not all white people or black people who have Native American blood are mixed race because they are mainly African or European which makes them black or white. I said to you that alot of Native Americans have African and European DNA but they are not all mixed race because some are mostly Native American and you said that all of the above accept whites were mixed race.
@BrendaQG You can easily distinguish a main ancestry in most people because keeping an ancestry that is neither mainly European or African etc is a very hard thing to do after many generations most people become mainly African or European or Native American etc
@eden8886 continued. They were what was called "Free People of Color". A blanket term used for people who weren't clearly any particular race. On census forms they were often marked as "mulatto". The whole family was, not just when there was a white+black couple, mulatto+mulatto=mulatto. Yet I also know by oral history that we have maintained a bit of our native culture from Virginia. Then gained more from my fathers mother.
I know this about myself because of oral history and research
Your average creole can trace most of there ancestry to Europe or Africa most of them are black or white they are not mixed race. How can someone be mixed race when they are no more mixed then blacks or whites that makes no sense
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@eden8886 I'm sorry to tell you that's not true. My family is just such a group of people. My grandfather was so light skinned that he was often taken for white unless someone asked. On my fathers birth certificate he is written down as white, which is then struck over with Negro typed in.
My grandmother, a member of the Prairie Band Pottawatomie was part Black and part French in addition to Native American. She was dark in skin, but in other features looked identifiably native.
Lets pretend you have the ancestry you say you do, if you had a child that was mainly Native American you would tell that child they were mixed if you had a child who was mainly African you would tell that child they were mixed if you had a child that was mainly European you would tell that child they were white. You dont c anything wrong with that?
it sounds to me your applying the one drop rule in reverse, i think your just another sad black passing 4 mixed, black people used to pass for white nowadays you pass 4 mixed so sad.
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@MrDalekino You write like you haven't read what I wrote. I also accept the existence of mixed race people. DNA, Ancestry, and Culture are different things.
A person can be ancestrally from one or more continents AND practice one culture, or a mix of cultures.
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Oh as for the person who wrote that no one could know their ancestry back to the 1600's. I do. Just because your mama had to go on Maury three times to find out who your daddy was dosen't mean everyone is like that.
Your applying the one drop rule in reverse, you play on the self hatred that you yourself suffer from to get Native Americans and blacks to incorrectly call themselves mixed race when they are not, which in turn makes it harder for real mixed race people to be accepted because so many blacks lie and say they are mixed when they are NOT.
You think if a Native American has one drop of non Native American blood in them no matter how small it makes them mixed race well it does not it makes you a racist who supports the one drop rule in reverse.
The reverse one drop rule was invented by white supremacists in South America to destroy Native Americans and Blacks and to ensure white domination.
The point I am trying to make is you cannot argue that a black person or a Native American is not black or Native American if they are no more mixed then someone like myself or other whites. As white people we are only chiefly European and if someone is chiefly African or Native American in the name of equality they must be viewd as black and Native American.
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@MrDalekino The thing is many of the people, like myself who you are calling "No more mixed than you are".... Are in fact very mixed. My grandmother though not full blooded was a member of the Prarie Band of the Potawatomi Indians. On my fathers side we have passed down Native Virginian Names and we have customs from both.
I grow food in my garden as my father instructed me, and his father before him, and I was given at birth a Native name.
Your average Black American is 80%-90% African your average white Brazilian is 80%-90% European your average white American is 90% or more European, your average white person from Finland is only 90% European most of the people you would identify as mixed race are no more mixed then whites. How can you accept the white Brazillan the white American and the white person from Finland as all being white without accepting the black American as being black?
Your a very sick person you are you are no diffrent then someone who supports segeration because you view blacks and Native Americans as inferior and think they should accept unequal judgments well I dont. You would take a Native American who is 60% Native American and call them mixed you would take a black American who was 60% African and call them mixed you would take a white person who was 60% European and call us white, and your so sick you cant see the racism in what your saying?
The bottom line is you would take blacks and Native Americans who are no more mixed then whites and you would accept the white person as white and not the Native American and black person as being black or Native American only a sick racist person could do that. Until you can stop viewing blacks and Native Americans as animals not worthy of equal treatment then you will never get anywhere in life. I think its so sad in this day and age someone can be as racist as you.
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@MrDalekino I think I know what your big issue is is that to you Mixed = Black.
To me Mixed = (one race) + (another race) + (another race) + (another race). For me that means about 40% black, 40% white, and 20% Native. I am not mostly anything ergo I am mixed, I am triracial.
The culture my family follows is a blend of African American and Native American (with a little Irish). At birth I was given a native american name, which was handed down to my by my great great grandmother.
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@MrDalekino That's not true. Because what you say I think would mean that a black or native person with a drop of white blood is then there fore white, not mixed.
What you want to do is try and put people in the boxes that you are comfortable with. To you there are white people, black people, and Indian people. To you. Black+white=black White+native=native and Native+Black=black.
To me all of the above are just different mixes of people.
@mcelite14, this could have been a great video presentation, if you'd have thought about what you were going to say before you starting speaking. You are repeating yourself over and over and over again. It's annoying.
It may be a good idea for you to redo this video; this time, you need to write down what you want to say, and read from the script.
MonsieurMercredi 2 weeks ago
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I'm sorry but what do you see when you look in the mirror? black people just want some native in them because they can't accept the fact that their ancestors are from AFRICA! Africa is the most exotic place to be and then you guys want to be called native, if you cant claim your roots are in Africa then you have no right to idenity yourself as black people!
Lovely5646 2 weeks ago
Ya know I don't get racism probably 'cause I wasn't raised in it. Like I said I was afraid to say I was a black and Indian, 'cause the black girls were racist to me, and I still don't get it. I'm proud to halve both of these great people in me, and I have Mexican family my grandma is from New Mexico, and my nephew and niece are half Persian and Russian, and I love Italian men, if I can love all people when I was hated, why can't other people do so?
GoddessArtemistic 3 weeks ago
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11rainyday 1 month ago
@11rainyday the person here that is talking is an enrolled member of a native tribe. Yes it's sad but the Cherokee thing does make it hard to be taken seriously...even when the people are telling the truth
mcelite14 1 month ago
I've never commented on the matter of race on youtube. It is understandable to be disturbed about injustices prevelent in society. Just wanted to mention some Cherokee were slave holders. My family in NC didn't own any slaves on the paternal side and the only owner on the maternal side mentions one slave in the late 1700"s. Racism is ugly. We've descended from Noah.s and his three son's and their wives and I hope to live to see the day rascism to be gone and have full faith that it will happen.
verasmanful 1 month ago
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bible is bullshit plus is a european religon although set in israel actually spread because of the romans
989lmao 1 month ago
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@verasmanful
bible is bullshit plus is a european religon although set in israel actually spread because of the romans
989lmao 1 month ago
Furthermore, this subject matter is taught in higher education studies involving graduate degrees in world history, ancient history and studies, islamic history, eastern studies etc
jcorey68 2 months ago in playlist African American genealogy -
I don't see any real documentation in comments. I only see opinions. But here is "real" proof. Native American and Africans have been associated as one in the same since the ancient times. Its been documented in Christopher Columbus' diary and Bartolome de las Casas documents that Africans were in Americas long before Europeans. Read and research books, a lost art. "African and Native Americans" by Jack Forbes and "They Came Before Columbus" by Dr. Ivan Van Sertima. Read their sources as well.
jcorey68 2 months ago in playlist African American genealogy -
I only wish people knew what it is like as an Indian, to constantly be bombarded with people' claims of an Indian great-great-granny, no matter what race the person appears to be from. It doesn't make us brethren. It doesn't make you part of the Native community. It makes you someone with ancestry.
Ajidamoon 3 months ago
@Ajidamoon true but also keep in mind that majority of the native pop are mixed blood and many of them don't have the privalage of growing up with the culture...it's sad. Also think of the pressure as well though if you don't know any songs or stories some dont consider u native...but u don't see black ppl saying if you can't sing Lift Every Voice and Sing then ur not black..that bs isn't seen in the African American community
mcelite14 3 months ago
@mcelite14 You are confusing race with culture. Black American isn't a culture.....The weight of your blood means little to most us.....its being claimed by your tribal Nation that counts. Most of us hate hearing people say they are "part" Native. You can't be part. You either are or you aren't. Other races in your blood don't make you non-Native. Not being claimed by your Nation makes you non-Native. Its not BS....its protection of what we do have.
Ajidamoon 3 months ago
Respond to this video... And there are many people in the black community who are quick to point out that if you speak with articulation, get yourself a good education and dismiss holding up rappers as role models, then you aren't black enough. It definitely works both ways. If you don't have the "privilege" of Rez life, and being surrounded by the culture, you get yourself involved before you tell everyone you meet you are "part" Native.
Ajidamoon 3 months ago
@Ajidamoon Thats true but how can we accomadate for those who are native by blood and that's good enough for them but they take no interest in the culture? Should they really be excluded? Especially since a number of tribes really have almost nobody left that can speak the native language of their tribe (some don't even have a native language anymore like the Nanticoke), share stories, or songs. I dont want to exclude anyone with blood...
mcelite14 3 months ago
@mcelite14 Have you ever heard the term 'Paper Indian'? That is what 'we' call those of us with tribal affiliation, yet no ties to the community of their own choosing. The sorts who only show up when they have heard rumours of things they can gain. Many Nations are making changes to their charters to exclude these people. We are on the upsurge. A renewed commitment to preserving our languages, traditions and stories is underfoot.
Ajidamoon 3 months ago
Being part of a tribe is a citizenship in a Nation....and there are requirements to be met. Just as there are requirements to be met to become a Canadian or an American citizen. Blood is just a foot in the door, Its all the people who tell the great-great-Granny story that have no business making a claim that they are one of us....especially if they haven't a clue as to what it is like to live everyday as an Indian.
Ajidamoon 3 months ago
@Ajidamoon I can relate to the great great grandma story and how aggravating it can be at times...it's also in equality aggravating to me that we're the only race that does this...you could go up to a black person and say i'm black and they'll accept they may go well u mixed with something but ok. I feel like that's apart of the major problem even though i'm tempted at times to really question ppl especially those that look white and claim Cherokee it's provoking and i think it separates us
mcelite14 3 months ago
@mcelite14 The difference is made when a person tells me their relative was from such and such Nation....NOT just generic Native American or Cherokee. I don't greet them with the skepticism I would the generic answer. The majority of of Indians would never refer to themselves as a NA....they would tell you their Nation or specific tribe. And the Cherokee nonsense has just gotten so ridiculously out of hand its not even funny anymore.
Ajidamoon 3 months ago
Black"foot" is a redflag too......if they don't even know the legit name of the Nation, all they likely have is a vague family story about a relative with dark hair, high cheekbones and tanned skin. High cheekbones does not an Indian make.
Ajidamoon 3 months ago
@Ajidamoon it becomes discouraging when they don't even know what tribe they're from...or make guesses. I am Cherokee and Choctaw my grandfather is Cherokee so for me it has been more than aggravating to hear so many ppl say that. So i'll ask where is your family from? Oklahoma, southeast US like Georgia, or even Tenn. but then they say stuff like Indiana.....so for some they just dont know their family history and the others its a big lie and i just want it to end and ppl to know their stuff
mcelite14 3 months ago
@mcelite14 Exactly. What makes it even worse, is all the Cherokee "fan clubs" out there. Fake tribes that don't have a single enrolled Cherokee among them, charge for membership and are open to anyone who thinks they might be Cherokee. They regurgitate things they have found on the web, mostly on new-age pagan sites, and do damage to our actual spirituality by promoting things no Native Nation actually believes in.
Ajidamoon 3 months ago
@mcelite14 All most of us want is for people to do the genealogy before making the claims. Leave the stereotypes about high cheekbones, tanned skin and "good" hair at the door. They are a stereotype for a reason.....More often than not, these people will find that the rumoured Indian hiding out in their family tree, is actually white or black. Is that bad? Nope.
Ajidamoon 3 months ago
@Ajidamoon No it isn't and for some its extremely embarrassing that their ancestors did a bad job in telling their children the truth or even just making sure they knew who they were....and at the same time it's true you're not gonna get certain phenotypes from mixing white and black no matter how much u mix up the batter
mcelite14 3 months ago
@mcelite14 I don't doubt that some people honestly didn't know..and were only handing down the same misinformation they were told. Its a fast that many white/black children were passed off as Native when questions arose as to their 'different' hair or shade of skin. It was less of a social stigma to be Native, as they thought they could assimilate the Indian out of us. I don't blame these people for wanting to protect their child...but more people need to know that that happened, and often.
Ajidamoon 3 months ago
@mcelite14 As for phenotypes....look at how many people toss around the Beringia Theory still, using the "logic' that we look like Asians. Modern science tells us that we are more closely related to each other than any other group on the planet and no more related to ancient/modern day Siberians/Mongols than we are to Norwegians or Arabs....yet people still take Beringia as gospel, Without indepth DNA analysis, not the type used in these fly-by-night companies that do supposed ancestry testing..
Ajidamoon 3 months ago
@mcelite14 cont: people cannot possibly base their claims of race on certain physical traits. High cheekbones can be found in every race in the world. Small, almond shaped eyes can be found in every race. Natives do not even all resermble each other....Southern US, they are quite dark. Eastern Woodlands, light enough to be taken as white.
Ajidamoon 3 months ago
@Ajidamoon yes what I find interesting is the media tends to only show light skinned natives...and those with bone straight hair and at times it really becomes aggravating. A good friend of mine is full blood and when we were lil kids ppl always asked her what she was mixed with...funny enough they would always say she was a light skinned black girl...once in a while ppl thought she was mexican so I strongly believe the media has played a very devasting role in this problem
mcelite14 3 months ago
@mcelite14 I find the mainstream media only portrays the Plains Indian look.....no matter which tribe they are trying to represent. Here in Canada we are fortunate enough to have an entire station dedicated to Native peoples....APTN...and we have many tv shows and media outlets that are by Indians, about Indians, for Indians....they tend to present the entire spectrum of our different look which is great as it gives you people you can relate to.
Ajidamoon 3 months ago
@mcelite14 A documentary you should check out, if you haven't already, is Reel Injun: On the Trail of the Hollywood Indian. It follows our role in film and media since silent films and the evolution of our portrayals. What I don't like is the trend that is still present today, of Asians, Italians, South Americans etc being cast in our roles, as that is what society thinks we ought to look like based on the last 100 years of Hollywood.
Ajidamoon 3 months ago
@Ajidamoon The Blackfeet are a tribe in Montana. They had no contact with black slaves.
sarahmakeswarnotlove 2 months ago
@sarahmakeswarnotlove I know this. That is why I said Black'foot'......it seems to be a catchall for people who have family blood myths of Indian ancestry. They don't realize that there is only one Blackfeet Nation in the US, in Montana, and the rest are in Canada. That is why its a red flag when someone says Blackfoot....as they don't even know where the tribe is located and that they don't call themselves that.
Ajidamoon 2 months ago
@sarahmakeswarnotlove Of course the most popular claim is still Cherokee by far....with Black'foot' as a second...Choctaw and Creek are up there too. Fact is, the majority of Natives did not have contact with black people.
Ajidamoon 2 months ago
@Ajidamoon The Cherokee actually owned slaves up and till the mid 1800s. They were not as sympathic to the black man's plight as modern blacks believe. People want to believe they are descended from some sort of hero, who rescued an opperssed slave from the white man. The only contact the Blackfeet had with any Africans was York from the Lewis and Clark expedition. I was born and raised in Montana, and trust me there is not a lot of black people.
sarahmakeswarnotlove 2 months ago
@sarahmakeswarnotlove I've been to Montana....and yes, the Cherokee did own slaves. Just as neighbouring tribes would also sell escaped black slaves right back to their masters. They had enough conflict going on without having to worry about harbouring slaves as well. Blood myths mostly come down to a child of a black/white coupling, whether consensual or not, being passed off as Native as it was slightly more socially acceptable.
Ajidamoon 2 months ago
@sarahmakeswarnotlove It was apparent to "whites" that it was in their best interest to keep Indians and blacks from having much contact, lest we decide to team up.
Ajidamoon 2 months ago
@celena332 Actually, Shania Twain's adoptive father is Ojibwe.....the man who raised her as his own from the age of two on. Honestly, as an Ojibwe woman, I am sick to death of hearing it from everyone....black or white. If you aren't a member of the Native community then you aren't Native. You just have ancestry or a vague family myth.
Ajidamoon 3 months ago
No not all black people in america have so call native blood
BRKS627 4 months ago 2
Hey, LOL
TheMidnightBell07 5 months ago
i agree but there's no such thing native people the so-called native are a mix race black and asian
kingshippuden1 6 months ago
vereybody is mix with something whether you like it or not so get over it
sexyladybrown03 7 months ago
@mcelite14 aalyah & kerry hilson have no native american feature's there just light skin w/long hair....weather a person is like light /brown or dark u can tell if they are part indian by simply lookin at there cheek bone's and face!
midpopcorn 7 months ago
in the early years of slavery some slaves escape. and native americans took them in.
solidfox13 7 months ago
everyone is mixed so whats the point of this video. Nobody is fully something in this world and i you find someone who is show me a video. lol
A1truth 9 months ago
come on brother why you americans so focus on race mixes and shit like that, even africa is done with this slavery story,
by the way mulatto is a word as bad as nigger,im an african and in my language portuguese which the word came from mean a mix between a donkey and horse..
wake up 2011
bucunzi 10 months ago
Yet, you have white people who called themselves Indians are accepted. The original Indians were of a darker complexion by the ancient pictures. If you have 99% Native American and 1% Black is not consider Native American, but If you are 99% WHITE AND 1% Native American you're considered Native. Now the New Indians are WHITE!
sourheartroasie 10 months ago
@Don35 Ok Instead of being an "Armchair Quarterback" then show him how it is done. Put up or shut up. One thing I cannot stand are people who will criticize another persons work, but do nothing themselves. He tried and I applaud his efforts.
whatsnewbettyboo 11 months ago 2
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I have a theory about all this. Blacks are living proof that the Native Americans did have sex with the Buffalo . Look at the similarity of the negro hair and the buffalo wool . Also the negro has the same smell as a buffalo ,they both smell like shit. I think DNA testing is in order ?
mike89323 11 months ago
@blueflint1 well you started it. but peace unto you also:)
thaWatcher2011 11 months ago
@blueflint1 i havent said anything bad to you young lady!
i´ve been very respectful torwards you..
and im not even a Christian..lol!!!!
thaWatcher2011 11 months ago
@blueflint1 damn man arent you supposed to be a CHRISTIAN? what a dirty mouth...
im sure your JESUS wouldnt approve of such language...or would he?
thaWatcher2011 11 months ago
@blueflint1 yess you do stupid! show me some real american indians with dark brown skin.
thaWatcher2011 11 months ago
@thaWatcher2011 Yes I agree you do have dark skin native americans
BRKS627 4 months ago
BLACK! FUCK INDIAN! THEY WEAK! THEY ALL WHITE NOW! GO 2 MEXiCO AND SEE THOSE REAL INDIANS
thaWatcher2011 1 year ago
@thaWatcher2011 ur stupid.. indias as in native AMERICAN, are american.
Lacubanitamasbonita 1 year ago
@Lacubanitamasbonita WTF YOU TALKIN BOUT GIRL?
THAT DONT MAKE SENSE WHAT U JUST SAID..
thaWatcher2011 1 year ago
Hey, what picture is that at 1:18? Who are they?
yemonja100 1 year ago
@yemonja100 I'm not 100% sure but that photo is heavily used to show that natives and blacks interacted with each other a lot more than history wants to tell.
mcelite14 1 year ago
@mcelite14 Read Loren Katz book Black Indians and it tells you who they are. That little "black" girl sitting there has a black father and that full blood indian woman sitting next to her is her mother. The book shows many mixed black natives and what tribes had black mixtures and loots of great historicalinformation.
nofindausername 1 year ago
When one delves into history . . . he/she must grasp the political and socio-economic scope of the subject; comprehend the cultural context in which communities, nations, societies were influenced; and explore all areas (music, art, education, sex, language, etc) with the purpose to present a completed work that communicates understanding of past and present events with credibility and legitimacy to subject discussed . . . put simply, read, think and speak with clarity on the issues you raise.
Don35 1 year ago
Blood quantum has more to do with imperialism and genocide than with not wanting races to mix. Actually, they can take the lands, resources and commit genocide (quicker) if the races mix and 'lower your percentage' of 'Indian Blood". Most Nations today continue using blood quantum to hold onto what they have and that's why they still use it as a measure of 'who you are' - casting aside their own Family. Blood is blood - period.
foxfly23 1 year ago
Thank-you for the yummy pic of Micheal Greyeyes! 1:46 Made my day!
Purple558 1 year ago
I am not racist toward african american but I see most african claim that they are native american but when we tell them to show the proof then african get angry...just see this video....watch?v=wWzsSg4TUMw
KOYAINKA 1 year ago
It is true in very small part about your claim but the DNA show that most african american have white genes mixed. For years tina turner have claimed that she was native american but with the DNA test her DNA shows that she has no native genes..and most native of continent of america have no curly kinky hair and yes may be some has some african genes. Remeber remember native don't mix with foreigner due to the culture and identity preservation
KOYAINKA 1 year ago
@KOYAINKA Did he test the whole black population? He only tested a few people, not every black person.
MANDAWAH 1 year ago
just remember people that the blacks were seen as property and the indians seen as property owners at that time. the one drop rule (completely african with one drop of black blood) was created to make sure slave owners maintained their "property", as for indians the blood content was much higher from 1/2 to 1/4 blood. they did this to make sure they could take and keep as much land from the indians as possible.
almaaklooks2thestars 1 year ago
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why do you defend these filthy Canadians!?!?!?!?!?
Guypancakes 1 year ago
u know that geneetikally white ppl are healthier and mor pure human beings???
justinbeiber4321 1 year ago
@justinbeiber4321 Like the Irish are better????
Purple558 1 year ago
@justinbeiber4321 Like the Irish are better???? They're thought as a bunch of dumb drunks too! (And my father was Irish and English you dumbass!)
Purple558 1 year ago
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@justinbeiber4321 I guess that is why they commit genocide on a global scale, and why they are shit at sports
StTigray1 1 year ago
just a heads up
a step towards evolution in mankind starts with racial mixing..
electrolyteKaosiz 1 year ago
TY, the word is ask not axe and can you not say any word that ends in the letter F.Example-both,TY says bof or earth and you say erf.Blacks cannot speak proper English.
moszczy 1 year ago
GANSTA's!!!!
SPS148669 1 year ago
@eden8886 Sorry....your points are NOT completely accurate. Keep in mind that racial categories are a social construction developed by whites to seperate and divide and to give white people priviledge and power. People have the right to refer to and claim any heritage that runs through their veins, however, it also helps when they live among and/or interact with those who they claim heritage. By definition, having more than one type of heritage implies people can be mixed.
Lochee1000 1 year ago
shake your family tree hardinuff and i bet something u mite not like comeout."two much mix up mix up. two much of this wigle mix up" bob marley!
allshallbow 1 year ago
man you would know that most native never cut there hair its our culture to even ask such a thing some whats shows you don't understand what it is to be native american. i agree the Europeans did everything they could to keep us apart i'm Cherokee and Lakotah and i do agree you are our brother but everyone is not.. were the only culture you have to prove your apart of because all this land everyone is on is still ours. so as native were entitled to go tax free on our land that why my friend
KamidakeRed 1 year ago
Awesome video!!!!! I am tri racial myself! This video is great! Proud to be of mixed Afrodescent, Indigenous Native American, and European bloodlines
chsn09 1 year ago
i think colored people should stop hatin on each other and start hatin on white people for all the bullshit they put some of us through all these years we could probably take over this world besides theres probably more colored people in this world today
kushak47 1 year ago
im fully black(2 blavk parents),but for some reason this one guy thought i was italian. I also have all diff. types of european blood. Im mediam brown, big forehead, long face, pointy chin, long pointy, wide nose. My great grand mother was Dutch with a little black blood. (i dont think thats wht). i dont no how he thought i was italian
vivagoddess 1 year ago
you are correct I belive that I am Afro Indian from my Great Great Grandparents Charles Legraine Smith and Saphonia Shorter Smith I know many things about them from what my Grandmother and what my Great Aunt told me I dont care what ppl thik of me they can suck my ass good ass video
Lemon5eed 1 year ago
your wearing the proof on your face buckwheat! lmao
basskillaz 1 year ago
@eden8886 HOW CAN THEY HAVE NATIVE DNA IN THEM WITHOUT BEING MIX HERITAGE...THAT COMMENT DIDNT MAKE SENSE...WADO
chulah12 1 year ago
Black mixed with Native of American will most likely say Black power.
Real recognize real understand that es'e. Brown supremacy will take over USA we can forget about all Whites, and the black mayates.
nnnnnn7678 1 year ago
@nnnnnn7678 ITS OUR COUNTRY WHY CANT WE STAND UP FOR IT....HUH!
chulah12 1 year ago
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And you are crazy, lol
ThisBeMe12 1 year ago
thank you so much for making this video i am black and cherokee and blackfoot indian
astrozier1 1 year ago
When some Blacks that claim Native heritage they dont acknowledge it as an important part of their life. They treat their Native heritage like its a piece of jewelry to be shown at appropriate times and dont take an active part in their Native culture whatsoever. Some even try to make it subsidiary to the real heritage which is African instead of a blending of two beautiful Races.
TheMidnightBell07 1 year ago
@TheMidnightBell07 Hey, this is just my opinion but here it goes. Part One I: think it has to do with two things. One thing is when some Whites claims native heritage they subscribe to it. They go to the powwows and take part in their Native heritage and Natives welcome anyone willing to learn or adapt. I also think that some of the Natives that don't accept Blacks with Native heritage are actually Whites that were unaccepted by their White people and take refuge in their Native side.
TheMidnightBell07 1 year ago
lovely vid black people and Native Indians are beautiful
GarryUKful 1 year ago 2
Haveing said that can both you BrendaQG and you eden8886 please stop you are destroying this page by makeing comments that have nothing to do with this video. Thank you
GarryUKful 1 year ago 3
@BrendaQG Acknowledging us as white people when we are all only more European then anything without acknowledging someone who is more Native Indian then anything as being Native Indian or without acknowledging someone who is more black then anything as being black is childish and racist and is no different to telling blacks and Native Indians they have no right to vote and that as white people only we do.
GarryUKful 1 year ago
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How can you morally justify affirming the white identity of someone who is mainly European without up holding the Native American identity of someone who is mainly Native American or the black identity of someone who is mainly black?
eden8886 1 year ago 2
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Thakyou for telling the hard truth about this. It amazes me how the many who want African-Native American people to "Just say black period" can't see it. They can't see that's just what the white man wanted. They wanted (and perhaps still want) natives to disappear culturally if not 100% genetically.
Yet they keep on defending the notion that one drop of (non white) makes one (non white) and (non white) only. The Native tribes of do day are a people of many ancestries bound by culture.
BrendaQG 1 year ago
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@BrendaQG Continued from above. For some reason some people don't want to hear that. Hordes and hordes all support the racist notions of the past. They do so and think that they are being progressive. Just so we are clear. The one drop rule was invented to keep the white race separate from other races, not to benefit any other race. There is no reason for anyone non-white to support it none at all.
It is a relic of Jim Crow and slavery.
BrendaQG 1 year ago
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The only person who is racist is you think the reverse one drop rule is o.k you would verify someone as white if they were moslty European but you would not verify someone as black if they are mostly African that is a form of genocide are you really so sick you cant see that?
japaneseGirlNY 1 year ago
@BrendaQG
You say silly thing after silly thing after silly thing for the same reasons someone throws sand in someones face to blind people from your intentions. You would verify a white person as white if they were mostly European but you would not verify a black person as black if they were mostly African are you so sick in the head you cant see how twisted and racist that is?
japaneseGirlNY 1 year ago
What a tremendous pity, that after all this time, and after everything suffered, by Native Americans, Black People, as well as all colours in-between, that ignorance, intolerance and prejudice is their still to cause divide among us. Such a situation only goes to strengthen the control of the White supremist s. We MUST unite if there is ever to be Peace and freedom, for the sake of ALL.....
stormwings1 1 year ago
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Thakyou for telling the hard truth about this. It amazes me how the many who want African-Native American people to "Just say black period" can't see it. They can't see that's just what the white man wanted. They wanted (and perhaps still want) natives to disappear culturally if not 100% genetically.
BrendaQG 1 year ago
@BrendaQG @BrendaQG
Most black Americans and white Americans who have Native American DNA are not mixed race, they are black or white. There are Native Americans who have white DNA and black DNA and most of them are not mixed race either they are Native American.
eden8886 1 year ago
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@eden8886 What you said is self contradictory. If people have DNA that is not of just one "race". Meaning they have ancestors from America (pre 1492), and Africa and/or Europe, then they are mixed race. That is the very definition of mixed race.
You are talking about culture, which is a totally different thing. Culture is learned and what we teach our children. DNA is inherited and what your ancestors gave you weather you like it or not.
BrendaQG 1 year ago
@BrendaQG
Human genetic research shows that mitochondrial DNA and Y chromosome haplotypes in us as Europeans are mixed with Asian and African ancestry are you trying to tell me that I and the entire white race are not really white but mixed race?
eden8886 1 year ago 2
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@eden8886 Furthermore mitocondrial and Y-Chromosomal DNA testing shows that all living humans go back to a small number of modern humans living in Africa 70,000 years ago.
So in a genetic sense we are all African people. However since then there have been climactic differences which lead to minor differentiations in people. Different skin tone hair type etc. We call those races.
The groups we call races were basically fixed by the last ice age 10,000 BC.
BrendaQG 1 year ago
@BrendaQG
How can you morally justify affirming the white identity of someone who is mainly European without up holding the Native American identity of someone who is mainly Native American or the black identity of someone who is mainly black?
Do you hate blacks and Native Americans so much you wish to wipe them out with your contradictory methods of definition ?
eden8886 1 year ago 31
@eden8886 The problem EDEN is, racial identity depends on a lot of things. The "one drop" rule was created by WHITES. It is a means for racial castes, racism, skin priviledge. A child of mixed Native and African ancestry could live on the rez and be completely accepted as being Native. Doesn't mean that child isn't also African, but life experience also plays a role. This isn't about denying Africanness, but accepting ALL of yourself and NOT being defined by standards of the "pale faces."
Lochee1000 1 year ago 2
@eden8886 being mixed is the same thing as being mixed race. My mother is very very little black mostly native and white my father is more black so I am not mixed or mixed race? So I am all vlack becuae I have black blod inme? I am mixed race.
nofindausername 1 year ago
@nofindausername You're an idiot. Like, seriously, you're mentally handicapped.
mymarkis666 1 year ago
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@eden8886 (Continued) What we are discussing however are recent ancestors, and talking about how recent counts.
For me personally I claim every race that I have a significant ancestry from. I am about 40% black, 40% white, and 20% Native. Which one should I ignore and why?
BrendaQG 1 year ago
@BrendaQG
I have noticed how you have switched tunes and avoided my question, you said a mixed race person was someone who has DNA from more then one race, I told you thats as Europeans we have DNA from more then one race and I asked you if that made us as white all mixed race.
eden8886 1 year ago 4
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@eden8886 Europeans and every other race has DNA from "More than one race". If you go back 70,000 years all of us go back to Africa. Your question is a straw man so I knocked it down.
Race has a certain sociological meaning. Basically people who's ancestry in say the last 10,000 years (since the last Ice age and the Natives got to America) was 99.999% from one continent's population with certain features in common.
BrendaQG 1 year ago
@BrendaQG
Most of the stuff you write is like throwing sand in someones face to blind people to the fact that you would verify someone as white who is mostly European but you would not verify someone as black if they were mostly African
japaneseGirlNY 1 year ago
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@BrendaQG
I aksed you a question and you respond with a red herring
How can you morally justify affirming the white identity of someone who is mainly European without up holding the Native American identity of someone who is mainly Native American or the black identity of someone who is mainly black?
eden8886 1 year ago
@BrendaQG If your looking for a racist i would suggest you look in the mirror only a racist could justify such rank hypocrisy, how can you morally justify affirming the white identify of somone who is mainly European without up holding the Native American identify of someone who is mainly Native American or the black identify of someone who is mainly African? Whats wrong with you?
eden8886 1 year ago 4
@BrendaQG
I think you have made those numbers up the likelhood of someone maintaining such an ancestry in the U.S is highly unlikely.
I have no problem with someone with two parents from other races being thought of as mixed race, its people like you who would take it much further who cause the problems.
eden8886 1 year ago 3
@eden8886 I didn't make anything up and my family did maintain it's ancestry. Your writing like simply knowing who your grandfathers are is a great and difficult thing.
BrendaQG 1 year ago
@BrendaQG
You made up what you said about someone looking visibly mixed- Geneticists make it clear you cannot tell someones ancestral make up by superficial traits because few genes out of thousands are responble for such traits and because superficial traits such as single colour naturally differ in all single races so there is no such thing as a visble mixed person you made that up
eden8886 1 year ago
@eden8886 It is true that people with very different ancestries can have the same phenotype. That does not change the fact that people who share the same ancestry often have the same phenotype.
In your comment you focus on skin color too much. There is more to phenotype than skin color, hair texture and the nose. There are dozens of visible features that can tell the difference between a African from Zimbabwe and a Negrito from the Philippines and a Australian Aborigine.
BrendaQG 1 year ago
@BrendaQG
When people mix they dont create brand new phenotypes because so much diversity all ready exist among the single races a mixed race person will overlap with one of them. When it comes to the colour of there skin mixed race people will overlap mostly with blacks because natural skin colour differs the most among them when it comes to the colour of there hair mixed race people will overlap with us as whites because natrual hair colour differs the most among us as whites.
eden8886 1 year ago
@BrendaQG
I find it very hard to believe you have the ancestry you say you have the only type of people who could have such an ancestry would be someone with two parents from different races hence the reason why we define someone who has two parents from different races as mixed race. If your not lying which I think you are and you do have that ancestry and you do not have two parents from different races then you are one of very few.
eden8886 1 year ago
@eden8886 There are in fact whole groups of people like me with long time mixed ancestries. The Redbones and many of the Creoles of Louisiana have ancestry similar to mine. All of whom I'd culturally as Creoles. Then there are the East coast Native American tribes. Those people ID as 100% Native culturally but will admit to at least white if not black admixture in their past.
Then there are families like mine we moved to missouri in 1805. The battle at Tippecanoe Indiana was in 1811
BrendaQG 1 year ago
@BrendaQG
Your average creole is either manily African (black) or mainly European (white) most of them are not mixed race as you would lie and think they are.
eden8886 1 year ago
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@eden8886 I never said that MOST creoles are mixed. I said that the Redbones of Louisiana and some mixed creoles who do not have the Native Ancestry of the Redbones culturally Identify as Creole... not African American or white.
Please google the redboneheritagefoundation and get educated about them.
BrendaQG 1 year ago
@BrendaQG
Some redbones are mixed race some are mainly Native American which makes them Native American, I dont understand why you feel the need to wrongly label Native Americans as mixed when they are not
eden8886 1 year ago
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@eden8886 Because being Native American is not just about Ancestry it's about culture, it's about belonging to a tribe, it's about preserving the knowledge of ones ancestors, ALL of ones ancestors. Culture is of paramount importance to blood quantum in determining who is really a Native American.
Just who decides who's "mostly Native American" and how do they decide it? I think the tribes do, they do so based a little on ancestry and MOSTLY on culture.
BrendaQG 1 year ago
@BrendaQG Somebody is still Native American if they are mostly Native American. Most people are mainly something and I think thats your problem. To you native Americans are low and nasty so you think if you tell a Native American they are mixed race when they are not they should accept it because in your mind they are just Native American so why would it matter if they wrongly call themselves mixed race because to you Native Americans are rubbish.
eden8886 1 year ago
@BrendaQG
You would not dare try to tell someone like me or other white people who are mainly European that we are not white but mixed race because to you as white people we are better then Native Americans and I think thats sad. I dont think I am better then anybody just because I am white but you do.
eden8886 1 year ago 3
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@eden8886 Well first of all I don't go around telling people what they are. Do you?
Second of all if I was asked what race do I think someone is, based on looks, I would take an honest guess anyone would.
Third of all don't talk like you know me and what I would or would not dare to do.
Someone brought up that white and East Asian folks have common ancestors 20-30,000 years ago and equated that to having a Native Grandmother or black grandfather. Your hanging your hat on a shaky nail.
BrendaQG 1 year ago
@BrendaQG
Unless you want to segregate the children of people who have two parents from different races and force them to have children with each other (even this is no guarantee of maintaning mixed race ancestry) you must accept that a large number of the decedents of mixed race people will not be mixed race in the future they will be white or black etc
eden8886 1 year ago
@BrendaQG I said to you not all blacks or whites who have native american blood are mixed race and you said they were.
eden8886 1 year ago
@BrendaQG I said that as white people we all have African and Asian DNA I have Asian and African DNA my mother had African and Asian DNA would you call us and all white people mixed race? No you would not because we are mainly European so that makes us white and yet you would not accept someone who is mainly African as black or someone who is mainly Native American as Native American and you cant see anything wrong with that?
eden8886 1 year ago 2
@BrendaQG You dont accept someone who is mainly African as black or someone who is mainly Native American as Natve American you only accept people who are mainly European as a single race as long as that single race is white, so according to your logic no one has a black grandmother or Native American grandmother because to you someone who is mainly Native American is not Native American and someone who is mainly black is not black.
eden8886 1 year ago
@BrendaQG I said to you not all white people or black people who have Native American blood are mixed race because they are mainly African or European which makes them black or white. I said to you that alot of Native Americans have African and European DNA but they are not all mixed race because some are mostly Native American and you said that all of the above accept whites were mixed race.
eden8886 1 year ago 2
@BrendaQG You can easily distinguish a main ancestry in most people because keeping an ancestry that is neither mainly European or African etc is a very hard thing to do after many generations most people become mainly African or European or Native American etc
eden8886 1 year ago
@eden8886 continued. They were what was called "Free People of Color". A blanket term used for people who weren't clearly any particular race. On census forms they were often marked as "mulatto". The whole family was, not just when there was a white+black couple, mulatto+mulatto=mulatto. Yet I also know by oral history that we have maintained a bit of our native culture from Virginia. Then gained more from my fathers mother.
I know this about myself because of oral history and research
BrendaQG 1 year ago
@BrendaQG
Your average creole can trace most of there ancestry to Europe or Africa most of them are black or white they are not mixed race. How can someone be mixed race when they are no more mixed then blacks or whites that makes no sense
eden8886 1 year ago
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eden8886 1 year ago
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@eden8886 I'm sorry to tell you that's not true. My family is just such a group of people. My grandfather was so light skinned that he was often taken for white unless someone asked. On my fathers birth certificate he is written down as white, which is then struck over with Negro typed in.
My grandmother, a member of the Prairie Band Pottawatomie was part Black and part French in addition to Native American. She was dark in skin, but in other features looked identifiably native.
BrendaQG 1 year ago
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eden8886 1 year ago
@BrendaQG
Not all redbones are mixed race some have been found to have mainly Native American ancestry which makes them Native American not mixed
eden8886 1 year ago
@BrendaQG
Lets pretend you have the ancestry you say you do, if you had a child that was mainly Native American you would tell that child they were mixed if you had a child who was mainly African you would tell that child they were mixed if you had a child that was mainly European you would tell that child they were white. You dont c anything wrong with that?
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eden8886 1 year ago 5
@BrendaQG
it sounds to me your applying the one drop rule in reverse, i think your just another sad black passing 4 mixed, black people used to pass for white nowadays you pass 4 mixed so sad.
MrDalekino 1 year ago 3
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@MrDalekino So it's ok to apply it "forward". I think you are a Ku Klux Klansman who wants to oppress and define more people.
Go ahead vote me down as if I give a damm.
BrendaQG 1 year ago
@BrendaQG
When ever black people know you have no point of value to make you cry racism to shut down debate.
Your calling me a member of the KKK? When your the one trying to eradict blacks and Native Americans threw your hypocritical way of defining people.
MrDalekino 1 year ago
@BrendaQG
You need to read a book that was not written in the 19th Century, the majority of Americans who have African blood are white.
MrDalekino 1 year ago
@BrendaQG
One third of white Americans have African blood. How many people do you hear saying that one third of white Americans are black? How many?
MrDalekino 1 year ago
@BrendaQG
No bodys applies the one drop rule but you in reverse.
Your a sad black passing for mixed, if I applied the one drop I would not accept mixed race people exist but I do.
Halle Berry is mixed she has one white parent and one black parent, BrendaQG a sad black who is passing for mixed.
You can reverse one drop rule yourself a thousand times but you will never be mixed race you will alway be a sad black passing for mixed.
MrDalekino 1 year ago 2
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@MrDalekino You write like you haven't read what I wrote. I also accept the existence of mixed race people. DNA, Ancestry, and Culture are different things.
A person can be ancestrally from one or more continents AND practice one culture, or a mix of cultures.
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Oh as for the person who wrote that no one could know their ancestry back to the 1600's. I do. Just because your mama had to go on Maury three times to find out who your daddy was dosen't mean everyone is like that.
BrendaQG 1 year ago
@BrendaQG
I never said anything the 1600's
Your applying the one drop rule in reverse, you play on the self hatred that you yourself suffer from to get Native Americans and blacks to incorrectly call themselves mixed race when they are not, which in turn makes it harder for real mixed race people to be accepted because so many blacks lie and say they are mixed when they are NOT.
MrDalekino 1 year ago 2
@BrendaQG
You think if a Native American has one drop of non Native American blood in them no matter how small it makes them mixed race well it does not it makes you a racist who supports the one drop rule in reverse.
The reverse one drop rule was invented by white supremacists in South America to destroy Native Americans and Blacks and to ensure white domination.
How can you support the reverse one drop rule?
MrDalekino 1 year ago 4
@MrDalekino
Of course not. Being a member of a Native tribe has BOTH a Cultural (learned) and Genetic (DNA Ancestry based) component.
Let me ask you this. Suppose someone is 100% Native, but lives like a Japanese person in Japan. Is that person then Japanese?
I think yes they are.
Let me ask you this. Suppose someone is 0.01% Native and lives like a Native wouldn't it be correct to call them a Native?
I think yes they are.
That said their are no pure races, never were.
BrendaQG 1 year ago
@BrendaQG
You make some good points.
The point I am trying to make is you cannot argue that a black person or a Native American is not black or Native American if they are no more mixed then someone like myself or other whites. As white people we are only chiefly European and if someone is chiefly African or Native American in the name of equality they must be viewd as black and Native American.
MrDalekino 1 year ago
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@MrDalekino The thing is many of the people, like myself who you are calling "No more mixed than you are".... Are in fact very mixed. My grandmother though not full blooded was a member of the Prarie Band of the Potawatomi Indians. On my fathers side we have passed down Native Virginian Names and we have customs from both.
I grow food in my garden as my father instructed me, and his father before him, and I was given at birth a Native name.
BrendaQG 1 year ago
@BrendaQG
Your average Black American is 80%-90% African your average white Brazilian is 80%-90% European your average white American is 90% or more European, your average white person from Finland is only 90% European most of the people you would identify as mixed race are no more mixed then whites. How can you accept the white Brazillan the white American and the white person from Finland as all being white without accepting the black American as being black?
MrDalekino 1 year ago 2
Your a very sick person you are you are no diffrent then someone who supports segeration because you view blacks and Native Americans as inferior and think they should accept unequal judgments well I dont. You would take a Native American who is 60% Native American and call them mixed you would take a black American who was 60% African and call them mixed you would take a white person who was 60% European and call us white, and your so sick you cant see the racism in what your saying?
MrDalekino 1 year ago 4
@BrendaQG
The bottom line is you would take blacks and Native Americans who are no more mixed then whites and you would accept the white person as white and not the Native American and black person as being black or Native American only a sick racist person could do that. Until you can stop viewing blacks and Native Americans as animals not worthy of equal treatment then you will never get anywhere in life. I think its so sad in this day and age someone can be as racist as you.
MrDalekino 1 year ago 3
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@MrDalekino I think I know what your big issue is is that to you Mixed = Black.
To me Mixed = (one race) + (another race) + (another race) + (another race). For me that means about 40% black, 40% white, and 20% Native. I am not mostly anything ergo I am mixed, I am triracial.
The culture my family follows is a blend of African American and Native American (with a little Irish). At birth I was given a native american name, which was handed down to my by my great great grandmother.
BrendaQG 1 year ago
@BrendaQG
I have noticed you define a mixed race person in the most vague and racist terms, that favour me and other whites above everyone else.
To you one drop of non black blood in a black person = mixed
one drop of non Native American blood in a Native American blood = mixed
But no amount of non white blood in me or other white people can ever make us mixed.
MrDalekino 1 year ago 5
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@MrDalekino That's not true. Because what you say I think would mean that a black or native person with a drop of white blood is then there fore white, not mixed.
What you want to do is try and put people in the boxes that you are comfortable with. To you there are white people, black people, and Indian people. To you. Black+white=black White+native=native and Native+Black=black.
To me all of the above are just different mixes of people.
BrendaQG 1 year ago