Speidi on the Alex Jones show - Spencer Pratt and Heidi Montag 5/5

[whatdoyouwantandwhy]

I know your gonna say that no it's me that's brainwashed, but clearly I think with a clear mind and saw both sides to the story I can only say that, because I have my views and you have yours so there's no point in typing any further except for the fun of it.

[thegirl44]

Religion and God are two totally different entities, likewise faith and religion.

I believe that the Son of God walked the earth, however, I don't believe that he came to create a "religion". Christianity is something that our puny little human minds came up with hundreds of years after JC's death to help us try to comprehend the enormity of the simple ideas that Christ shared with us.

[whatdoyouwantandwhy]

Not exactly, Christianity is the belief that Jesus is the messiah. So it's been around since Jesus was around. However the "Holy Roman Catholic Church" was created centuries after his death and is the religion you speak of. But I totally agree with you on all points.

[thegirl44]

Christ said, "I have not come to change the old ways, but to teach you a new way," this implies that he was only seeking to reform the existing Jewish Temples. "Upon this rock I build my church. Wherever two or more of you gather in my name, that is my church," implies that he did not come to form a new religion. Followers of Christ were Jewish and tried to sway the temple that the Jewish Messiah HAD come, they eventually formed the religion of Christianity when the elders weren't receptive.

[whatdoyouwantandwhy]

Exactly to show them their Messiah had arrived. Christianity isn't a religion it's a belief that Jesus is God in human form. The religion is the Roman Catholic religion which over the years of practice and power has been corrupted. You can be Jewish and a Christian at the same time.

[thegirl44]

There were Christian churches before the Roman "unification" (Catholicism would come later) of approx. 200 AD and many of them progressed past the Roman unification leading to events like the Great Schism between Roman Catholic and Greek Orthodox churches in 1054 AD. Christianity is the religion, Catholic, Baptist, Pentecostal etc. are it's churches.

Jews can believe that a MAN called JC walked the earth, but if they believe that this Man was the Son of God then they are Christian, not Jewish.

[whatdoyouwantandwhy]

No if a Jew were to believe JC was God then he would be a Jew who believes in the Messiah. JC himself was a Jew and believed he was God. Christianity was never suppose to become a separate religion though it clearly did. It was suppose to reform the current Jewish faith and bring them back to God's way. They only spilt after they knew it wasn't gonna work, but that doesn't mean you can't be a Jew and believe in Jesus.

[thegirl44]

While I agree whole heartedly with that statement, mankind has turned the tables on that school of thought by creating Christianity. Look into the trials and trubulations that campaigns like Jews for Jesus have gone through. While unable to change the Jewish elders minds that Christ was the Messiah, the elders sure managed to come up with a lot of ammunition in the Talmud for those who did believe it :).

[thegirl44]

That is why the majority of the testaments of the new testaments are in letter form; they were letters written by people that had witnessed Christ's miracles collected to show the governing temple elders in support of the idea that Christ was the Messiah that the old testaments spoke of.

These Jews that believed that Christ was the Messiah diddn't split from Judaism until hundreds of years of campaigns to recognize Christ as the promised messiah didn't work.

[806luis333]

I am christian.One thing I would say is that while some churches are corrupt it's not for certain ALL churches are corrupt.I've seen corrupt and firm churches. Just wanted to point that out.Thanks

[fmminformation]

The problem with being a christian is not so much the corrupt church it's the belief that Jesus is the son of god and that there is a God period. I'm sorry but it seems childish and silly. Plus, Watch Zeitgeist. How can your jesus have all the same attributes of so many other "Saviors" Religion really is the opiate for the masses. It gives people comforat but it's all so silly. Not to mention every christian I see is usually a judgemental, arrogant, and hypocritical asshole.

[806luis333]

Well you are right that many christians don't live out the faith.Yes, I have seen "Zeitgeist" and I thought it was interesting but I studied it for myself and much of what Peter Joseph says isn't true.Later I found "Zeitgeist refuted" the newest version because I know the person made 2. So if we analyze the information even professors and Alex Jones disagree with Peter on the subject of Jesus.

[thegirl44]

Anyone that would watch Zeitgeist and recommend it as irrefutable truth of anything, really needs to independently study the subjects presented.

[fmminformation]

The winter solstice and the worship of the sun really makes sense to me. I'm not going to "worship' anything but if I did I'd rather "worship" the sun than some made up fairy tale about some dude birthed from a virgin and a magic man in the sky. Plus, if one half of what Zeitgeist says about the similarities between all of these different 'Saviors" is true then it completely discredits Jesus. Not too mention I don't need Zeitgeist.

Religion = Comfort and a Crutch but it's ridiculous.

[whatdoyouwantandwhy]

I know what you mean I can't believe some people follow blindly into this invisible sky god. That's why I believe in the true God not some invention that people make to discredit him. This "fairy tale sky man" is exactly what these Zeitgeist want you to think like. Wether you like it or not they brainwash you to believing that God is false.

[thegirl44]

Therein lay the problem, none of what Zeitgeist says about the similarities is true, nor are these supposed similarities documented in any theological or secular historical form that anyone other than the small group of writers cited in the film has actually seen.

While I agree wholeheartedly with your final sentence, Zeitgeist is a horrible reference for any tangible evidence to support it.

[coachkemp34]

LOL Zeitgeist...

[Sammicsno]

David Icke has much more info on Bohemian Grove. Alex has only scratched the surface!

[ZionSamurai87]

at least our numbers are going to go way up now that these two have awoken.

I dont agree with all the christianity stuff but they earned my respect...

[killumianti99]

Heidi must realize the church is corrupt and part of the problem

[IASTAR]

I AGREE!!

[coachkemp34]

There is a difference between the church and the gospel.

Also, there is not one single church.

[Duppy072]

Ill Believe That These Two Are For Real If They Spike There Newly Blue Dyed Hair And Dirty There Faces And Publicly Go Against All Forms Of Media. I Just Hope They Genuinely Mean This And Arent Just Saying It To Be In Pop Activist Culture

[IASTAR]

I AGREE!!!