Okay, so I think the mind is not capable of understanding a process, it can only deal with states and beings whereas in reality there is nothing but change.
But mind and thinking ARE processes so we can say language is wrong but (the act of) speaking is true.
I still think my ego is separated because it is too limited but now that *I* have realized that the whole me is well connected and participating it doesn't matter anymore.
I think the mind can adapt to this new process oriented reality. We just have to give up the idea that knowledge and understanding are staic states and replace it with the idea that we exhibit knowledge and understanding actively by being able to organize our world in efficient ways.
As far as language being "wrong," I think this new idea that knowing and acting are the same makes us alter our understanding of right and wrong, or true and false. What's wrong is what doesn't bring equilibruim to a situation, rather than what doesn't line up with reality.
i couldn't follow your trails of thought. maybe your too 'intelligent' for me, or maybe you don't fully understand/believe what you are saying. 6am doesn't help
i don't fully understand anything I say, that's part of the reason I say it! the point of trying to unite knowledge and action is to show that i can't understand anything without being able to engage it directly. so unless I speak and communicate my thoughts, I can never know what I think... i require feedback from my environment (from you people) in order to decide if what I said "fits" (which is different then it being "right" or "true")
but i think in this case I failed... if you didn't understand me then my words didn't work for you, they didn't bridge any gaps in your mind, they didn't have an effect on your equilibrium... can I ask what is it you're having trouble with?
we are individuals, we are separate. we are not one. i don't agree that your vocabulary is who you are, because many thoughts and insights are way beyond explanation in language. schizophrenics\mentally ill people are good examples of this.
i think honesty = the easiest trail of thought for you to put out.
and as for your perspective on honesty, well, i guess its an interesting debate. looks like i needed some sleep, although i only was able to sleep 5 hours.
schizophrenia is a very interesting topic... nobody knows what the fuck it is. not science, not psychology, not you, not me. but maybe we should try to make some sense out of it anyways? there are no thoughts but in symbols; anything else going on "in there" is a feeling, and a feeling is an inhibition in your action, a bump in the road. when you feel something "inside," i think what's really going on is that your body is finding itself unable to participate in the natural course of life.
in other words, its that you are feeling disconnected from something that you are actually one with. good feelings are always feelings of unity and coherence. if that's not true, enlighten me. bad feelings are always feelings of separation and discordance. maybe schizophrenics get so obsessed with the bad feelings, with the separateness, that they lose touch with the unity? of course, when they die they'll remember, so it is not a disease without a cure.
but the point is, whenever you feel something "inside" that you can't express, all it really is is you not being able to do what you want. it's you not being able to unite an emotion with something outside your own head. when we feel good about something, we identify the goodness with that object. when we feel bad, though, we aren't paying attention to anything but ourselves. All we feel is our owh inhibition.
i don't know, i believe that schizophrenics are creating insights so advanced, that language is meaningless to describe the realizations they have created. i believe i am partly schizophrenic then. people call schizophrenics dilusional, because they cannot relate the language to the advanced insights.
and thats why cannabis is linked with schiz bcos it relaxes the body allowing more creations/insights.
I think if the rest of society paid more attention to the insights that schizophrenics try to articulate and express, it'd be the better for it. because in a way, the schizophrenic is experiencing everyone else's culture in a far more intense way they they ever will. in more tribal cultures, schizos became shamans and were considered healers! i think we need to reintegrate that type of system into our modern culture. we're too detached from our unconscious...
damed dude you sound confuse. don't worry, just see it.
seyeresoj 4 years ago
You need feedback ?
Okay, so I think the mind is not capable of understanding a process, it can only deal with states and beings whereas in reality there is nothing but change.
But mind and thinking ARE processes so we can say language is wrong but (the act of) speaking is true.
I still think my ego is separated because it is too limited but now that *I* have realized that the whole me is well connected and participating it doesn't matter anymore.
Now you feed me back please...
Mork5 4 years ago
I think the mind can adapt to this new process oriented reality. We just have to give up the idea that knowledge and understanding are staic states and replace it with the idea that we exhibit knowledge and understanding actively by being able to organize our world in efficient ways.
redliterocket4 4 years ago
As far as language being "wrong," I think this new idea that knowing and acting are the same makes us alter our understanding of right and wrong, or true and false. What's wrong is what doesn't bring equilibruim to a situation, rather than what doesn't line up with reality.
redliterocket4 4 years ago
I'm absolutely unable to organize anything efficiently but I see what you mean.
About bringing an equilibrium to a situation, that is really a challenge.
I can see how you do that by how you act in your videos, but that is nothing to copy.
It may take a lifetime to find a way there.
Mork5 4 years ago
i Like watching your videos..
eyealoofly 4 years ago
thanks!
redliterocket4 4 years ago
Very Wittgensteinian. Jefferysquirl possibly sank into the language of the dream community.
bachilard 4 years ago
03:48
i couldn't follow your trails of thought. maybe your too 'intelligent' for me, or maybe you don't fully understand/believe what you are saying. 6am doesn't help
jeffreysquirrel 4 years ago
i don't fully understand anything I say, that's part of the reason I say it! the point of trying to unite knowledge and action is to show that i can't understand anything without being able to engage it directly. so unless I speak and communicate my thoughts, I can never know what I think... i require feedback from my environment (from you people) in order to decide if what I said "fits" (which is different then it being "right" or "true")
redliterocket4 4 years ago
but i think in this case I failed... if you didn't understand me then my words didn't work for you, they didn't bridge any gaps in your mind, they didn't have an effect on your equilibrium... can I ask what is it you're having trouble with?
redliterocket4 4 years ago
I beleive that would be sleeping. :)
0neInWater 4 years ago
lol, must be
redliterocket4 4 years ago
we are individuals, we are separate. we are not one. i don't agree that your vocabulary is who you are, because many thoughts and insights are way beyond explanation in language. schizophrenics\mentally ill people are good examples of this.
i think honesty = the easiest trail of thought for you to put out.
and as for your perspective on honesty, well, i guess its an interesting debate. looks like i needed some sleep, although i only was able to sleep 5 hours.
jeffreysquirrel 4 years ago
schizophrenia is a very interesting topic... nobody knows what the fuck it is. not science, not psychology, not you, not me. but maybe we should try to make some sense out of it anyways? there are no thoughts but in symbols; anything else going on "in there" is a feeling, and a feeling is an inhibition in your action, a bump in the road. when you feel something "inside," i think what's really going on is that your body is finding itself unable to participate in the natural course of life.
redliterocket4 4 years ago
in other words, its that you are feeling disconnected from something that you are actually one with. good feelings are always feelings of unity and coherence. if that's not true, enlighten me. bad feelings are always feelings of separation and discordance. maybe schizophrenics get so obsessed with the bad feelings, with the separateness, that they lose touch with the unity? of course, when they die they'll remember, so it is not a disease without a cure.
redliterocket4 4 years ago
but the point is, whenever you feel something "inside" that you can't express, all it really is is you not being able to do what you want. it's you not being able to unite an emotion with something outside your own head. when we feel good about something, we identify the goodness with that object. when we feel bad, though, we aren't paying attention to anything but ourselves. All we feel is our owh inhibition.
redliterocket4 4 years ago
i don't know, i believe that schizophrenics are creating insights so advanced, that language is meaningless to describe the realizations they have created. i believe i am partly schizophrenic then. people call schizophrenics dilusional, because they cannot relate the language to the advanced insights.
and thats why cannabis is linked with schiz bcos it relaxes the body allowing more creations/insights.
jeffreysquirrel 4 years ago
I think if the rest of society paid more attention to the insights that schizophrenics try to articulate and express, it'd be the better for it. because in a way, the schizophrenic is experiencing everyone else's culture in a far more intense way they they ever will. in more tribal cultures, schizos became shamans and were considered healers! i think we need to reintegrate that type of system into our modern culture. we're too detached from our unconscious...
redliterocket4 4 years ago
wow i didn't know that about schizo shaman healers. hm.. this is too thought provoking to put into text. take care man
jeffreysquirrel 4 years ago
Do you think that we can have meaningful communication without words?
0neInWater 4 years ago
of course. there is visual body language. there is physical touch. there are pheromones...
redliterocket4 4 years ago