Eating a raw diet for 40 years, no longer vegan!

[gojiberries1]

I read that people who have A B Negative blood are very good with vegetarian diets. I am not sure about Vegan.

I listen to my own body. If people feel great being vegan they should follow what they believe if they make sure they are deficient.

[imnotabear]

seems he has closed his mind to veganism

personally speaking I am not 100% raw vegan but the more raw vegan I am over a period of days the better i feel.

humans have a meat eating history, but history is not evolution and a few insects in our diet does not make us meat eaters

[paulgem123]

I am with you on this. A recent book I read on the Okinawin diet I believe is best. Minus the Pork and shell fish for me ;-)

[RawFitChris]

Question: What does John mean by "not experiencing the health level that we feel we should be" ? Is he talking about 1) listening to a single blood test (which has many interpretations too complex to enter into here) by an Nd or MD, or 2) experiencing certain physical ailments or performance decreases, or 3) the way that modern people who are usually carrying more excess fat on their bodies view him?

[RawRebuild]

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[RawRebuild]

When Sasamori Gisuke, who was born in Aomori Prefecture, visited Okinawa in the twenty-sixth year of the Meiji era, he was full of praise, saying, 'They say one sort of pig is enough to produce dozens of different marvelous dishes. The delicacy of the pork cuisine here would be enough to shame into silence Westerners who also eat meat as a main dish.'

[RawRebuild]

In Okinawa, they have sayings such as, "Eat the entire pig and leave nothing", and "You can eat every part of a pig apart from its oink". In other words, a feature of pork cuisine is the clever use of the entire beast, including the pig's legs and feet, ears, the skin of the face, heart, kidneys, lungs and other organs.

[RawRebuild]

Ichouba (fennel, effective as an antitussive and a perspirant in colds, and as a stomachic) is used to take away the smell from fish soup. Choumigusa (long-life grass, effective against paralysis and hypertension and as an antipyretic in colds) is eaten as an accompaniment to sashimi (raw fish) and there are many more examples. The main aim is to build up physical strength to prevent illness, keep ones health, and further longevity through the maintenance and promotion of a healthy lifestyle.

[RawRebuild]

Ryukyu Cuisine mixes Japanese and Chinese style cooking w/ tropical nutrients, meat (especially pork) and seafood. Unlike typical Japanese soba with buckwheat noodles, Okinawa soba is made from wheat w/ a soup full of pork nuggets. Other striking local eats to seek are yagijiru (goat stew), irabu-jiru (sea snake stew), irabucha (parrot fish), ika (squid) and its black ink.

[RawRebuild]

There's more to Okinawa cuisine than the everyday dishes. The royal court of yesteryear is preserved by the Okinawan people, and many of the traditional royal dishes are served today. Some, such as boiled salted pork, suchikaa, sea grapes, tofuyo, a cultured tofu, sukugarasu, tofu with salted fish, and kuubu-irichii, a fried kelp. Nakami soup, made from cow entrails, yagijiru, goat stew, and irabu-jiru, sea snake soup, are a little different for the western palate.

[RawRebuild]

Fish ranks alongside pork as one of the most popular dishes, w/ chicken coming in third. Okinawa's fishing fleets bring a vast variety of fish to islands dinner tables. A visit to the Makishi Kousetsu Market, in the Heiwa Dori area of downtown Naha, is an eye opening experience. Its an odds-on bet youve never before seen so many different fish, not to mention other foods.

[RawRebuild]

Vegetables are a staple in Okinawa cooking. There are some which are not part of western cooking styles, such as mugwort, a medicinal herb, and goya, a bitter melon. Goya is chock filled with vitamin C, and is terribly bitter when eaten raw. Youll find it cooked and served here with scrambled eggs or tuna, giving it a more refined taste.

[RawRebuild]

A couple other traditional pork dishes loved by Okinawans, are tebichi and mimiga. Mimiga is pig ear, sliced into slender strips and eaten as a snack or a salad. The true delicacy is tebichi, a unique dish with pig's feet being boiled for a long, long time; then slow cooked over a low heat.

[RawRebuild]

Pork is the cornerstone in Okinawa cuisine, much as beef is with Americans. It has been so since the Chinese introduced it in the 14th century, and Okinawan's use every single part of the animal in their cooking. Porks abundance of vitamin B1, which purges the body of proteins and cholesterol, is attributed to the long life syndrome achieved by Okinawans.

[RawRebuild]

Okinawan food is not Japanese food. Aside from embracing rice as a staple, local food is totally different. The Ryukyu Kingdom, the fore-bearer to Okinawa the Japanese prefecture, picked up much of its culinary styles and techniques from China, as well as other Asian trading nations that included Thailand and Korea.

[RawRebuild]

Okinawa's reputation for having the longest life spans of any people in Japan is attributed to many things, including the temperate climate here in the southernmost prefecture. More to the center, though, are the combination of Okinawan mindset and diet. An almost stoic acceptance of what life brings, blended with a belief that food is 'kusiumun', medicine, leads to the belief that food is 'nuchigusui', healthy for life.

[RawRebuild]

Okinawan cookery is distinguished by three unique forms: The foods of the farmers or common people of Okinawa, Naha cooking and Shuri court cooking. To Naha people cooking was considered to be an art and their cuisine was just a notch below the Royal court cuisine of Shuri, the ancient capital of Okinawa.

[RawRebuild]

Traditional Shuri court cooking grew out of Okinawa's trade and diplomatic relations with China. In order to entertain the Chinese investment in trade, the Ryukyu government sent professional court chefs to China to master the art of Chinese cooking so that they could prepare a more palatable cuisine for their honored guests. China's influence on Okinawan cooking is evident through the Okinawans use of beef and fowl as well as some rich sauces.

[RawRebuild]

Rafute, or glazed pork, is a popular Okinawan pork dish that is made with sugar, shoyu and liquor. The preparation actually allows the rafute could keep for several days without spoiling, which was extremely useful to the Okinawans in the days before the invention of refrigeration. Its ability to keep made it was an ideal dish for Okinawa's subtropical climate.

[RawRebuild]

Okinawans are the top pork producers in all of Japan. In fact they are also the top consumers of pork also. Research shows that healthy cells also require some fat, and Okinawans prepare their pork in such a way that it enhances health, rather than diminishing it. They boil the fresh pork for about a half-hour to remove much of the fat before using it to prepare a traditional Okinawan pork dish.

[RawRebuild]

Japan currently boasts the longest average lifespan in the world, and until recently, the longest-living individuals were residents of Okinawa. One key to Okinawan longevity lies in the consumption of pork, which permits the absorption of balanced amounts of animal protein and fat. The sweet potato, a staple food, is rich in dietary fiber and vitamins, while the many types of seaweed harvested from the sea around Okinawa provide a plentiful supply of minerals.

[RawRebuild]

Because the Ryukyu kingdom was among the tributary states of China, it was customary for the Chinese emperor to send a mission in order to sanction each new king who succeeded to the Ryukyu throne. To properly entertain the members of these missions, who numbered upwards of a few hundred, the Ryukyu court sent cooks to Fujian province across the sea to study Chinese cuisine. Chinese culinary methods thus spread from the court to the common people in Okinawa.

[RawRebuild]

Ken is the Japanese for prefecture, which Okinawa was by then, after the abolishment of the Shuri kingdom in 1872 and annexation a few years later. Kau-kau's use in conjunction with this is interesting, if only because it is a Hawaii pidgin word derived from Cantonese, meaning basically food, with the connotation being everyday food. So you can assemble the meaning of the phrase for yourself.... (just google the phrase)

[RawRebuild]

The Okinawan have been eating pork for several hundreds of years, most of it during the period in history when the (mainland) Japan viewed animal products as unfit for food use. Indeed, pork-eating was perhaps the key feature of the Okinawan stereotype among those mainlanders during the time of increasing interaction between the 2 in the early 20th century. Children of Okinawan immigrants to Hawaii were often teased by their yamatunchu counterparts w/ the slogan "Okinawan ken-ken buta kau-kau".

[RawRebuild]

Whereas those on the main islands avoided meat until about the middle of the nineteenth century, pork and goat were long a customary part of the Okinawan diet, unencumbered by Buddhist injunctions against meat. It is said that Okinawan cooking "begins with pig and ends with pig." Everything from the flesh to the ears, innards, skin, blood and feet are consumed—underscoring the saying that "every part of a pig can be eaten except its hooves and its oink."

[RawRebuild]

When the Ryukyu Kingdom was subjugated by the Satsuma clan of Kyushu in the early 1600's, it became imperative for the Okinawans to master the art of Japanese cooking. This really served to enrich their native cooking. The attention to detail paid to arranging food which is appealing to the eye is reflective of the influence Japanese cooking had on the traditional Okinawan way of cooking.

[RawRebuild]

In 1609, the lord of the Kagoshima domain (in the southernmost part of Kyushu) invaded Ryukyu, and from that time Ryukyu became a semi-independent country with ties to both China and Japan. The Ryukyu court sent cooks to the Japanese main islands to study Japanese cuisine—the better to serve the Kagoshima-appointed officials serving in the islands. The resulting fusion of Southeast Asian, Chinese and Japanese foods and culinary methods formed the foundations of present-day Okinawan cooking.

[RawRebuild]

In 1429, the islands were unified under a line of Ryukyu kings, and during the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries, at the height of the kingdom's power, Ryukyu ships traversed the East China Sea. Trade with Korea and Southeast Asia flourished, and Ryukyu established settlements in many Southeast Asian ports. The influence of Chinese and Southeast Asian foods and culinary methods adopted during that period are still evident in Okinawa today.

[RawRebuild]

The ancient name for Okinawa is Ryukyu: linguistically, the Ryukyu language is considered a dialect of Japanese, and the Okinawan people belong to the same cultural lineage as those living on the Japanese mainland. Given its remote location, however, Okinawa has been politically separate from the rest of Japan for much of its history.

[RawRebuild]

'In no particular order'

The people of Okinawa traditionally practiced a shamanistic form of religion and remained largely outside the influence of Buddhism, which was prevalent elsewhere throughout Japan. The Okinawan people were originally termed the Ryukyuan people.

[RawRebuild]

Some of the references listed were taken from Naomichi Ishige, born in 1937 in Chiba Prefecture. He is an anthropologist and authority on the history of traditional foods. Formerly associate professor and professor at the National Museum of Ethnology in Osaka, he served as it's director-general from 1997-2003 and is now professor emeritus. Among his many works are Shokuji no bunmeiron ("Of Meals and Civilization"), and Bunka-menruigaku kotohajime.

[RawRebuild]

A few resources:

wikitravel(dot)org/en/Okinawa

taiwandna(dot)com

dmtip(dot)gov(dot)tw/Eng/index (dot)htm

experiencefestival(dot)com/ryu kyuan_people/articleindex

[RawRebuild]

It's a curious thing that so many people can overlook the vast majority of history we have regarding Okinawans (Ryukyuans) and their traditional dietary preferences. Look to the source of these peoples indigenous roots for clarity. It is of great value to study Taiwanese Aboriginal people b/c much of Ryukyu (Okinawa) culture is heavily influenced by Taiwan Natives.

[DrSeptember]

You are making it seem as if pork is the staple of the centenarians diet in Okinawa. Big mistake. Just like in all the poor rural areas of the world, meat is a rarely eaten:

"the traditional diet of the islanders is 20% LOWER IN CALORIES than the Japanese average and contains 300% of the GREEN/YELLOW VEGETABLES(particularly heavy on SWEET POTATOES). "

[DrSeptember]

The Okinawan diet is LOW IN FAT and has only 25% of the sugar and 75% of the grains of the average Japanese dietary intake.The traditional diet also includes a relatively SMALL amount of fish and somewhat more in the way of soy and other legumes (6% of total caloric intake). Almost NO MEAT, EGGS, or DAIRY products are consumed."

[RawRebuild]

@DrSeptember

Thanks for your response. Could you please cite the sources for the quotes you just referenced. I am aware of the modern day studies involving the Okinawan peoples. I am also aware of their many incongruencies and limited conclusions. I will counter if you are able to provide references.

[SCOTTDAVIDSON32]

All I know is my body feels good when I eat some near raw animal meat =D Check out Daniel Vitalis !!!!!

[DrSeptember]

Smoking crack feels much better.

Pleasure is a fooling roller coaster.

[RawRebuild]

@DrSeptember

"Smoking crack feels much better."

How long have you been smoking crack DrSeptember? That can truly impair your decision making process.

[ACEBAKER911]

If someone is eating an Organic Raw Vegan diet with alot of Variety and lots of Greens, while getting adequate sunshine on their skin

What precisely are they Missing that someone eating Animal foods is getting that accounts for the supposed deficiencies later in life on the vegan road ?

[DrSeptember]

You do not have a single piece of evidence for your speculatory and illogical assumption.

The longest lived and healthiest populations on earth (rural China, Okinawa, Peru and Crete) lived on a diet of sweet potatoes and vegetables. Animal products were the absolute exception.

On the other hand, the weakest and most disease full populations on earth (Urban areas, western society) live on an animal based diet. Vegetables are the absolute exception.

[ACEBAKER911]

im not saying anyone should be eating a mostly animal foods diet so i agree with you on that.

All im questioning is the 100% vegan lifestyle and i havent made up my mind yet still examining the evidence

If Animal foods are Necessary for long term human health,  i think we all agree it would only be a small amount daily or even weekly.

im simply asking the question is it conducive for long term Health to be a 100 % Vegan ?

[DrSeptember]

Considering the overwhelming amount of available evidence, I have to say that in dietary terms, humans do not need any animal products in order to achieve their maximum potential.

But the truth is higher than nutrition:

"Care not what you shall eat or what you shall wear."

I do not touch any meat, dairy or eggs; although on very rare occasions I can have fish.

Not because it is required for an ideal diet, but because "life is more than meat and the body more than raiment"

[DrSeptember]

But look at us.

Discussing health in front of computers?

Can you see the irony here?

[RawRebuild]

"You do not have a single piece of evidence for your speculatory and illogical assumption."

"The longest lived and healthiest populations on earth (rural China, Okinawa, Peru and Crete) lived on a diet of sweet potatoes and vegetables. Animal products were the absolute exception."

Sorry DrSeptember. I should have assumed you may have taken my comments so personally ;)

In any event, I can absolutely furnish evidence as to the great disservice done to indigenous people by Robbins and Campbell.

[DrSeptember]

@RawRebuild

You´re not a lion.

All the best,

[RawRebuild]

Never claimed to be :)

Although in Tibetan culture the lion represents many innate human qualities.

In any event I would like to counter and dispel a few assumed points regarding Okinawa and other cultures you mention.

[DrSeptember]

It truly does not surprise me that a raw meat eating bozo is unable to grasp the significance of an analogy.

[RawRebuild]

@SCOTTDAVIDSON32

"my body feels good when I eat some near raw animal meat"

Yes that has been my experience as well....

[DrSeptember]

You idiot.

Fast food feels like heaven for an obese.

Do you think it is because they make them feel bad?

[starflower666]

Great stuff Paul!

If we were meant to be vegans we wouldnt have to supplement with B12.

[DrSeptember]

B12 deficiency in good vegan diets is a myth.

Although vitamin B12 is found in animal foods it is not synthesized by plants or animals. Only bacteria make biologically active vitamin B12—animal tissues store bacteria-synthesized B12, which can then be passed along the food chain by animals eating another animals tissues. Ruminants are unique in that bacteria in their stomachs synthesize vitamin B12, which is then passed down and absorbed by their small intestines.

[DrSeptember]

The human gut also contains B12-synthesizing bacteria, living from the mouth to the anus. The presence of these bacteria is an important reason that disease from vitamin B12 deficiency occurs very rarely in people, even those who have been strict vegetarians all of their lives. The colon contains the greatest number of bacteria, and here most of our intestinal B12 is produced. Feces of cows, chickens, sheep and people contain large amounts of active B12.

[DrSeptember]

Until recently most people lived in close contact with their farm animals, and all people consumed B12 left as residues by bacteria living on their un-sanitized vegetable foods.

The human body has evolved with highly efficient and unique mechanisms to absorb, utilize, and conserve this vitamin. Which means, by design, people are expected to be exposed to only miniscule amounts of this essential nutrient.

[DrSeptember]

On average, for someone raised on the Western diet, about 2 to 5 milligrams of B12 are stored, mostly in the liver. This means most people have at least a three year reserve of this vital nutrient.

Conservation of B12 by the body boosts the time this supply lasts by 10-fold. After excretion through the bile into the intestines most of the B12 is reabsorbed by the ileum for future use.

[DrSeptember]

As a result of this recirculation it actually takes, on average, 20 to 30 years to become deficient after becoming a strict vegan. That is if no vitamin B12 were consumed—which is impossible, even on a strict vegan diet, because of bacterial sources of B12 from the persons bowel, contaminated vegetable foods, and the environment.

[ACEBAKER911]

dr. Herbert Shelton wasnt a Vegan either

[DrSeptember]

Shelton´s genius is defined by his teachings, not by his practice.

[ACEBAKER911]

but its Obvious that if shelton felt the Raw Vegan diet was the Healthiest, thats how he would have eaten .

But he chose not to , the question is why

[DrSeptember]

Your extrapolation is not based on logic or facts. (hint: Knowing the right diet does not mean practicing it), unless we are talking about a different Shelton.

"The great nutritional value of fruits is unquestioned by the well-informed. Supplemented with nuts, they form the ideal diet of man."

"The use of meat is detrimental to man's health and strength of mind and body"

Also, are you suggesting that humanity only became healthy after dominating fire?

[ACEBAKER911]

My logic and reasoning is absolutely sound. We are speaking of Dr. Herbert Shelton of Texas the founder of the American Natural Hygiene Society , writer of more than 40 books, many of them on the Raw Vegan Diet which he promoted exclusively.

Explain to me why a man would write Many books stating the Raw Vegan diet is the ideal human diet, and serve this diet to his Patients in his institute, yet in his own life doesnt practice it ?

[RawRebuild]

"yet in his own life doesnt practice it?"

B/c he realized the predicament that he'd placed his own body in after subsisting for so long w/o animal foods. We can clearly see the result of such choices through deteriorating mental state in the final years of his life (some say Parkinson's, I say his myelin sheath deteriorated).

Dr. Bass, realizing the error of omitting animal foods made a decision to integrate raw food of animal origin. He sits with us today at the age of 91 w/ sound mind.

[ACEBAKER911]

To be Fair, the Parkinsons and nerve damage he suffered with towards the end were NOT the result of diet

Rather its more logical to conclude this was the result of his only sleeping around 2 hrs a nite for many years !

Fact is NO ONE worked as hard as Shelton did , the man simply burned out . As he once said to a friend

I just dont have time for Sleep anymore, too much to do

[ACEBAKER911]

i greatly Respect Dr. Bass, but even will readily admit, in his life he has not done 1/ 10 the amount of work that Shelton did

As Bass once told me in a phone convo back in the mid 1990s

" Shelton was a pure warrior, he went to Jail for what he believed in and he feared nothing and no one.  He was constantly harrassed and Jailed for his stance on Natural health, ive never met anyone like the man, the amount of work he did in his Life was nothing short of Amazing

[ACEBAKER911]

Thats why your comparison of Shelton to Bass is invalid.

Taking nothing away from Dr. Bass, its rather Obvious to anyone studying Sheltons life, that it would have been simply IMPOSSIBLE for any human being on any type of diet to keep going at that pace and reach a ripe old age

Physiologically IMPOSSIBLE, Dr. Virginia Vetrano his close personal assistant at his health school said that deep late into the nite you could hear him typing away on his next book , NO SLEEP !

[ACEBAKER911]

A person can eat all the organic free range grass fed animal foods you want, if you Only sleep 2 or 3 hrs a nite for years, and work like a mad man year after year with no breaks, and no vacations and very little rest, its eventually going to doom you and kill ya

NO ONE can do that and live long, its absolutely IMPOSSIBLE.

Shelton was in a league of his own

[RawRebuild]

@ACEBAKER911

Thanks ACE. Those are some wonderful points that you contribute.

[DrSeptember]

Because it is easier to talk than to walk! How many times have you found yourself eating some candy or chocolate well after knowing it was not an ideal food?

Shelton was addicted to his legacy: The knowledge and experience that allowed him to save thousands of lives. He did not always apply it to himself.

Shelton´s value and brilliance came from his hygienist teachings, not his personal lifestyle!

[ACEBAKER911]

So its your Opinion that the reason Shelton consumed Animal foods on a regular basis was just simply out of personal weakness and the inability to control his temptations to eat them out of taste or convienence  ?

That doesnt make any Sense at all or line up with everything else we know about him.

its much more logical and accurate to assume he ate them out of his own choice in determining that the 100 % vegan diet wasnt ideal

[ACEBAKER911]

Go ask those that knew him best, namely Dr. Virginia Vetrano and her Daughter Tosca both of whom are still living in TX.

They will tell you Shelton consumed Dairy products because he felt they were necessary for his health.

By the Way, Tosca on the advice of her Mom Dr. Virginia Vetrano, didnt raise her children as Raw Vegans either.

so what does that tell you ?

[DrSeptember]

Why do you think Shelton was a workaholic?

Out of the personal "weakness" to control his work addiction or because he felt it was the best for him?

That can give you a great idea of how his knowledge could be separated from his practice.

If what you are implying was correct, Shelton would lose all his merit, because all the work and dedication of his lifetime was in promoting a diet and lifestyle that he knew to be wrong. That would be a crude form of deception.

[DrSeptember]

I cannot define Shelton based upon anecdotal secondary sources, but rather to that which is solid and well established. A raw vegan diet was one of the sources Shelton used to become the outstanding life saver that we know and value him for. All of his work (for which he died) points in that direction. All the modern science, studies and intuition points in that same direction. The very old prophetic truths are also complicit.

Hold to what is solid and shoot away what is flimsy.

[ajchanter]

i hope you know that meat eaters have higher B12 deficiency rates than vegans!

[HengistTheGreat]

Let's not confuse raw and vegan..

[4007fairview]

Thanks Paul for another open honest video. I appreciate your videos so much and thank you for sharing this information

Debbie *Ü*

[hopesolofan18]

our bodies are evolved into eating meat. out ancestors ate meat. other animals eat meat. its not really toxic if its grass fed organic and low stressed like its meant to be. like i would never eat conventional meat ever. our bodies are meant to eat some meat. there are some things we cant get from nonmeat sources. for example, cows get vitamin k2 from eating grass, humans cant get vitamin k2 from plants and we must get it from animals. theres other things too.

[ajchanter]

lol

[sophiegirl58]

Great job!! We need more truth-tellers in the raw world. Dr. September and other vegans should check out the DNA work on prehistoric human remains, which proves they ate meat (bovine elastin DNA found) . So, be vegan for your own reasons, but don't pretend you have a scientific or health basis for it. BTW, getting a buzz from food isn't restricted to the non-raw-vegan world. Goji berries, anything dehydrated, durian, fresh veggie juice and some other raw standards buzz me pretty good, too.

[DrSeptember]

That is corrupted circular assumption.

Perhaps you should start using opium aswell, since it was also found to be used by pre historic populations.

You are clueslees about nutrition.The only reason I advocate being a vegan IS precisely because of the scientific and health bases of it.

Google the two largest nutritional studies ever conducted:

The China study and the Nurses health study.

[sophiegirl58]

Ad hominem attacks don't make your case. Do your research. I am a scientist and I certainly have done mine . But, what I haven't done  is restricted my research to what supports my opinion. There is nothing "circular" or "corrupt" in telling you to look at the research on what our ancestors actually ate. I'm not interested in telling you or anybody else how to eat. But, I'm also not interested in a Rawligion, which seems bent on being right, identifying the heretics and putting them down.

[cupies]

you can search the world and find nuts anywhere. you can find someone that has an opinion about any diet... RAW vegan IS the best!!!

[InnateReality]

Thanks Paul.

Vegetarian of near 6 years, raw vegan of 2. After experiencing general weakness & decreased vitality I chose to incorporate raw animal foods.

Clabbered dairy & raw eggs at first.

I now consume a fair amount of raw saturated animal fats (butter/marrow), decent amt. of raw eggs & raw meat regularly. I feel great.

Everything is grass-fed, wild, and beyond organic IMO. I continue to juice greens and eat smaller amounts of fruit. Sleep very little.

Raw animal foods about 4yrs. now.

[DrSeptember]

If you were really raw vegan for 2 years you would be climbing walls like you never did before. No other diet provides more nutrients for less expenditure of energy.

Medicating lack of vitality with raw meat and eggs is one of the stupidest things I have ever heard, and just proves that you never had a clue about the processes of nutrition. In that line of logic, coffee and refined sugar would have worked as well.

[abyssquick]

Coffee and simple sugar are neurostimulants. Coffee contains an alkaloid that dulls the sensation of fatigue, and stimulates the nervous system. Meat/diary/eggs are simply a dense source of macro-nutrition.

Not everyone responds the same to the same diet. The human body varies in it's dietary preferences. Our species hasn't eaten a truly raw and vegan diet for a couple million years, since before our affinity towards fire, and occasional cooked meat.

[DrSeptember]

FYI "Meat is not merely a food. It also Is a stimulant, with definite exhilarating effects on both mind and body."

Blood, toxicity, hormones, acidity, fat etc...

[DrSeptember]

The basic ideal diet suits all the individuals of the species without exceptions. The possible nutritional variations (activity level, sex etc) are based on quantity/proportion, not in quality of the foods.

Milk, meat or eggs are not human food.

[hopesolofan18]

nuts and fruit has fat too not just meat and we need some fat in our diet DUH!

if its fed well(organic grass finished) its not that toxic

most fruits and nuts are acidic too

and you just have to get the meat treated without hormones

[DrSeptember]

lol. Perhaps you should google "saturated" , "cholesterol" and "low fat raw vegan".

I never heard me advocate the consumption of nuts.

Organic grass has nothing to do with lowering toxicity. It´s about rotting in your intestine type of digestion - no fiber, no antioxidants, wrong type of proteins (china study), wrong type of fat.

I was not even counting exogenous hormones, but to those naturally present in meat or milk.

This is nutritional 101.

[abyssquick]

I have to say I am bemused by the 4 "thumbs down" merely for stating simple scientific fact. Science is science. Humans have a distinct meat-eating history - not some arbitrary opinion!

Ancient human diets are a specialized field of paleoanthropology, and are fairly well understood. Numerous finds of million year old animal bones with toolmarks from hominid habitation sites. Lots of books available out there.

However, I wasn't saying "We should eat meat because our ancestors clearly did."

[MikeLockard]

Your opinion is not fact my friend. What works for you won't work for everyone. And why do you need to call someones idea stupid?

[DrSeptember]

It´s not a fact? HA!

Perhaps you should tell that to the scientists who conducted the largest nutritional studies and the doctors who are really saving people based on nutritional changes:

Dr. Mc Dougall, Dr. Essenstyn, T. Colin Campbell, Dr. Furhman, Dr. Neal Barnard, Jeff Novick etc...

[MikeLockard]

Still doesn't make it fact bud. They didn't stud me... did they study you?

[InnateReality]

"climbing walls.. Medicating lack of vitality w/ raw meat & eggs is one of the stupidest things I have ever heard, & just proves that you never had a clue about the processes of nutrition."

You're welcome to your opinion. I came here stating very brief anecdotal evidence regarding my personal journey w/ diet. Paul made the request. If you desire to engage in 'genuine dialogue' regarding "processes of nutrition" I am here. Ill let others address the unsupported points you raised. Peace to you.

[DrSeptember]

I just posted in order to hopefully clear the nutritional "double-think" and guide people in the best possible direction.

In my humble opinion the best method to recharge energies comes through rational fasting, combined with low fat raw vegan.

All the best to you.

[ajchanter]

finally someone telling the truth: "LOW FAT raw vegan" Thats the way to go!!! :D

[heimatau69]

I am currently eating one cooked meal per day, with the addition of the fresh organic fruits and veggies w/ juicing and my body seems to like it. Now that it is winter, my body seems to be wanting more substantial such as, chicken broth soup w/ a lot of fresh vegetables. I know my body will continue to change as I go along this path of health! I have been checking my urine PH and it is staying on 7.05 to 7.5. I believe drinking 2-3 quarts of green juice daily has helped tremendously.

[ruthshivani]

cool. thankyou - always appreciated.