The Future of Freedom (the past that will-have-been)

[mickmle1]

"Redemption is about getting someone else (in the future) to sort out your mistakes from the past" - Once again, you've hit the nail on the head :-)

[SirWinstoneChurchill]

time = motion

[Rattapax]

"Time" is a sense. That is, humans have a sense of time that intensifies as we move from the beginning of life to the end. The realization that we are going to die, enables a sense of time. (Macbeth is the ultimate example of this.) People who believe in afterlife or think they'll live forever seem to try to capture the "future in the instant." People who believe that end-times are near are trying to confirm that indeed there is an afterlife and there is no such thing as death.

[SirWinstoneChurchill]

@Rattapax

"What's he that is not born of woman?"

The evolution of humans is entirely heterosexual...

[thesunshon]

peace

[pointyhead1]

Distinguishing "teaching" from learning".

In the case where a father bird "teaches" the young to sing the songs, is he actively teaching ?

Can teaching be said to be as integral to an individual's structure as learning is?

[Professoranton]

@pointyhead1 These is much in these thoughts. It would seem that we are partly "for others" and this makes our lives interconnected in ways that we, personally and individually, cannot fully grasp. How, exactly, we are viewed and known and experienced by others always remains a bit of a mystery. Nevertheless, we are social in our being; others are not merely objects that occasionally enter experience; they are the very condition for our experiences, especially regarding language and cognition

[pointyhead1]

@Professoranton

This same difficulty goes to DNA and inheritance, because the subjects arise..."encoding" ? "information" ? "patterns"?

Is there to be a sender, a message, and a recipient of messages ? What is code ?

If the DNA is encoded message, who is the message from ? If it's argued that it's information, not a message, then why is the term "encoded for" being used ?

Are there examples of encoding and transmission of information that do not involve a sender and a recipient ?

[pointyhead1]

when I check definitions, I find that information is knowledge gained or transmitted, once again.

Data: factual information.

so it always comes down to sender / recipient.

who is the sender of DNA information/data/code ?

Surely anything has patterns, but only as observed

[pointyhead1]

Hi, ProfessorAnton,

"Falling into culture", "in the temporal gathering".

This within discussion of what it means to be human, I thought about other species that might be included : perhaps all species which, in their present state, depend on taught behaviors ( not just learned ).

The set of conditions is always unique.

The individual interprets what the past tells it through the teacher, while the structure of the perceiving individual itself, is shaped by past conditions

cont...

[pointyhead1]

Through taught behaviors species change themselves. The example I use of learned behaviors affecting inheritance and changing relative freq. of traits, is the Darwin's Finches.

Recently, a different species male from one island successfully arrived and mated, and since the males are taught to sing the songs by the father, the hybrid offspring differ from the natives in structure accent and repertoire.

I'm not sure that the Finch learned accent and song variations are "taught".

cont

[pointyhead1]

It's difficult to draw the line between "taught" and "learned" behaviors.

I'll use the example of zoopharmacognosy in animals that could learn that skill, whether independent of adult teachers or dependant.

Even ignoring any argument that it would have to be a teaching "kind" of ( structure of ) animal in order to teach, there are difficulties.

Experiments using animals in nature, would be difficult to perform. The babies would probably all die.

[thesunshon]

SMILES FROM THE SUN SHON!

TRANSACTSHON!

[patternsinchaos]

"to bear the burden of being of our own making" Well said! I would offer that this process of being in and of that "making" extends not just into the future, but curves back into what we are within the causal chains which are normally considered linear in time. If you like this idea, you might be interested in the work of Nick Bostrom.

[mrmike9959]

I love this idea of projecting the irrevocability of the past into the future. Also it reminded me a bit of Alan Watts comment that "a completely predictable future is already the past". Keep the great videos coming.

[TheJokest]

i download ur videos 2 mp3 so i can listen 2 u wen i'm cycling

[1noen1]

Time is just one damn thing after another.

[lralon]

This is great. Though a bit sensational and borderline conspiracy theory, I recommend at least the first half of the movie Zeitgeist. It's available for free in google videos. I'm curious to see what you think about it.

[f1ghtclub2k3]

eternal recurrence ....is a great psychologcial state and modality of being and thinking and acting...to want nothing more or less than what is and what will be an acceptance of temporality, reality, and the lack of free will in what you are and was meant to become....becoming what you already are...in a forward movement towards death and authenticity....

[Barklord]

I think your idea of a personal responsibility to the future that someone else will be born into is really the point of adopting reincarnation as a religious Truth. Knowing that we are inherently connected, seamlessly and primordially, to all times, can be personally inspiring in the so-called present.

[patternsinchaos]

@Barklord RE: "adopting reincarnation as a religious Truth" I believe this is already a scientific truth in some circles, but unfortunately, the existence of and details on technology capable of linking beings at the level of spiritual manifestation is being suppressed. This is the dark legacy of Tesla's work. See v=dKRvgztk1gg @ 5:00

[robbwindow]

Excellent Ecology in action. This book sounds great and the thinking behind ecology is awesome, you are a great advocate for Ecology Thanks Professor Anton. I hope to read this book sometime soon.

[truthdecoy]

I'd like to hear more about the the future being "the past that will have been." I'm not yet clear on what you mean by that.

Is this formulation basically a way of emphasizing the importance of the now in terms of taking responsibility for generating a future that is better for all, or are you saying more than that?

[Professoranton]

Death is the exemplar case: it will-have-been. We should take that fact, realize that what we call the future is equally a will-have-been past, and now move toward deeds and accomplishments which, once done, cannot have not been done.

If you do something great today, you later cannot have not done it, but if you do nothing great today, don't fool yourself into thinking you could have. (the Beatles, now, cannot not have made Rubber Sole)

SO: Actively sentence yourself to your past

[Paramystical]

Thanks for sharing your chapter/thoughts. Excellent commentary.

[2bsirius]

Just had to add that your phrase, "The community of the dying" is brilliant...

You point out that all of us are dying, and that recognition means that all of our immediate actions are even more important.

Some atheists also just want a kind of expiation by inventing a pearly gates leading to an ULTIMATE virtual reality. Doesn't it make more sense to use technology with the insight to know that it can't replace culture? We can make it more humane though depth and wisdom though.

[2bsirius]

The owner of the INDEPENDENT bookshop here in the UK where I special order my books already comments every time I go to pick up one of my orders. It makes me smile to see her reactions to this one...

This has great implications for the nature of determinism...

Fascinating!

[Cashify]

Regarding the treasure and burden, contemplate the implications of this.

google the followng -

After a Short Delay, Quantum Mechanics Becomes Even Weirder

By Adrian Cho

ScienceNOW Daily News

16 February 2007

[ThyExtendedSelf]

I'm not you the same way I'm not myself after 50 revolutions around the sun... sptiality in time.

Have you seen my only vid., which is textual and boring...? hehe

[Maikl71]

There is a lust for apocalypse in many of us, i guess, and there is a lot of wallowing in doom-and-gloom on YouTuibe; I don't like that (although not an all too optimist person myself), yet on the other hand scientists also have recently started to feed into apocalyptic scenarios, demographers, climatologists and so on, which gives a new quality to Apocalypse.