Well, certainly in the musical field Italy conquered Europe, or at least had a strong influence. All the European countries were influenced by Italian music in the 17th and 18th Centuries. Lully was actually Italian, not French, Handel traveled to Italy and was heavily indebted to Italian musical forms, and Bach studied and arranged concerti of Vivaldi and Marcello--so in a sense, the Italians conquered.
This remains my personal favorite version of this... the deliberate tempo only adds to the drama of the counterpoint. This restores my faith in music for choir every time I hear it. Thank you, Harnoncourt! Thank you, Bach!
@falstocat Hahaha or that :P I think the beauty of the two pieces lies in a contrast between the simple soloist and a much quicker group chorale. But still friggin' awesome. I still contend that Bach is the best composer in history.
They are using a Germanic pronunciation of Latin. Notice how they pronounce the "generationes" with a hard "g" instead of the soft "j" sound. Bach would have pronounced Latin this way, not in the Italianate Latin pronunciation advocated by the monks of Solesmes. Before Solesmes called for a universal pronunciation, every European country had its own way of pronouncing Latin. In Germany and Austria "quoque" would have been pronounced qvoqve with a v sound instead of w.
@pastorjackw Are not all g's in Latin pronounced hard? The custom of pronouncing g's as j's was something, according to my schooling, which was not practiced in the official ancient Latin tongue. The closest consonant Latin had to a j was i: such as in Iulius Caesar or Iuno; pronounced "Yulius Kaisar" and "Yuno." The i's became j's once they we Germanized. It makes sense to me that the Latin pronunciation is hard and the German soft, as we say "Seezer" instead of "Kaisar," making hard c's soft.
@KingCrassusII Church Latin was pronounced in markedly different ways, depending on the locality, and reflected pronunciation conventions of the local language. There is not some centralized authority ruling pronunciation. Another example: when you hear a French group sing church Latin, you will be struck by the very French pronunciation of the vowel "u" (as in the word "Agnus") as opposed to the very open, short "u" of Italianate Latin
I don't care for the lumbering Omnes... tempo either (a space-imposed limitation, perhaps?), but I would hardly call it 'anemic', as the lines have plenty of shape and dynamic interest. Fortunately there are many recordings of this work so we can all choose the one that suits us best. It's convenient to have one this slow and at A=415 on YT...it helps to rehearse all these runs at half-speed. ;-D
There are many factors for determining tempo. The acoustic of the room, the smallest note valuation, the text, etc. When Harnoncourt came along, he was considered fast. He's probably now considered slow. I love his transition into "Omnes generationes". Most conductors, especially the "historically informed" seem to enjoy pulling breakneck tempi out of nowhere, simply because their ensembles can pull them off. That is NOT MUSIC, but a freak show. Harnoncourt is eminently sane/musical.
I have absolutely no idea why music cannot be allowed to speak. That can only occur when it is given air, breath; in short, be allowed to be. Rushing has been the mode for post 1990 'officionados' who, I am afraid have been more interested in technique (e.g. finger dexterity) than the music. The performer thereby puts itself above the composer's music. I absolutely adore this calm beatification of the Mag! What music! What a performance! Perfect, indeed!
Eccellente l'orchestra, la direzione (Harnoncourt lo ricordo nella Passione secondo Matteo) e la solista. L'unico neo (peraltro rimovibile con poco sforzo) la pronuncia dell' "Ecce enim".
The tempo is not slow, really, it is quite fast...That's You who could'nt accurately perceive the reverberation. The tempo is not an absolute notion, it must be adjusted to the number of musician and singers, to the place of performance, to the acoustics etc.
"For all those who really studied Bach" is clear, that the spread nowadays manner of taking the very fast tempos is -as the common, almost absolute rule - false, historically and artistically.
No offense..I love the overall performance...I feel that the "Quia Respexit" was a bit toofast...I felt that it lost some of it's passion in having it move so quickly. The soprano did a lovely job although I missed some of the consanants at the ends of her words...clearly. A lovely choral performance nonetheless.
@WUTaTALENT yes you are right. too fast from the soprano. it feels like she dowsnt really lealise the power of the words she is singing. there should be more pain in this to reflect the ideas
@cryostation Yea!!!!!! Someone who hears it like I do! lol :)
I have loved this work and this particular aria since the first time I heard it as a teen.
It screams passion...in every peak and valley....In this specific version, it begins slightly faster than I am used to hearing it and then the Soprano pushes the conductor even more! If it were terribly difficult from a breathing standpoint, I can see picking it up in strategic places, but Bach wrote it with ample time to breathe...:)
@WUTaTALENT My opinion is this: Exquisite tonality without soul is merely audible air..nothing more nothing less...The beauty comes from the effortless execution of a audible conversation from one's soul to one's voice. This solo performance is lacking in the ability to communicate...
@WUTaTALENT i have to agree with you there. her performance, while i'm sure would be regarded as technically perfect i'm sure. music is so much more than that and should connect on an emotional level, and her performance just didn't do it for me.
@WUTaTALENT Yes:) i just added you as friend. well im no expert in music theory, but i was born with absolute pitch, and i know music since an early age. a wasted talent wroght on by an unfortunate life. but i could recreate the whole bach partitas for guitar and i played them, showed them to a music teacher and she said you made no mistakes. bach is my favorite and you are right in everything you say about this performance
@WUTaTALENT yes, are you a music teacher? i saw your video:) well the thing is unless you study the words and understand the passion behind them, you will never get this piece. these words are powerful steming from the earlier versions of christianity which are now totaly lost, the ideas born with the hermits known as the desert fathers. a monastic view of christianity
I thought the chorus's entry on "Omnes generations" was a little sluggish -- it should have been tighter, not quicker, necessarily, but just more together, or right on the beat.
I think that people who thrive on making harsh comments about idiosyncrasies of anyone's performance are TOTALLY out of line, and should consider their own short-comings. By the way, I have yet to find your performance of a baroque work on this site?! END OF DISCUSSION.
@jerroldtidwell : my dear, people has EARS and TASTE, even if they are not singers at all; do you really think that just who can make a better performance of the same aria can hear and remark a bad vocal technique? And do you really think that in the baroque era they liked poor voices and poor techniques? END OF DISCUSSION
@lojundolo, you totally misunderstand. My point is that an ounce of TACT (just as humility), of which you seem to be in drastically short supply, carries much more weight. That which you cannot improve upon merits no gain in your words spoken in ignorance.
@jerroldtidwell I understand that when people make overtly negative comments, it would seem that they harbor some sort of jealousy. However, I also think that these types of blogs are merely meant for people to share their opinions, whatever they may be. I find that wehn folks who look up this type of music do so, they are genuinely interested in learning more. I think that a lot of folks can learn from the educated and uneducated comments on youtube. I think most folks are inheriently good. :)
Je dois apprendre cet air en chant cette année. Et c'est ce genre de vidéo que je bénis alors, où le son est net et la voix parfaitement ajustée et magnifique. Et les mots articulés.
The soloist has a really lovely voice and the players are extremely good . I think they should have done Omnes Generationes faster and more powerfully. I sung this piece 2 years ago- when done fast and furious it absolutely sweeps the audience flat (in a good way!)
I love her wonderful voice too! Christine Schäfer was unlucky in her life, her man passed away too soon. Here she is singing in a period of her life that I think was happy and full of hope in the future. I can only wish her the best.
i'm dying to attack that one tenor who feels the need to shake his head when he sings...it aggravates me...he does it in the first movement too...look for him.
Beautiful, but her mouth is so closed! It's wrong! Yeah it's a gorgeous sound... But her voice is all stuck in the back of her throat--She needs to open her mouth and let the sound out. But either way, Brava, it is gorgeous :)
Thanks for the information. His phrasing is splendidly baroque, with marked "inegalite" on the first note of each group of sixteenths. Lovely tone too.
In the latter part of quia respexit, Bach has a dissonant tone (voice and accompaniment) followed on the NEXT beat by a 2nd dissonance, and resolved on the next beat. DOES ANYONE know how rare, or common this is for Bach. I tend to think it is highly unusual, but I am not sure? Thanks
In fact, dissonances in Bach between pairs of voices are rather common, espetialy in vocal music, and that is one of the toughes ordeals for singers who perform Bach, for it requires a lot of firmness in ones hear not to slide to the wrong but more (apparently) logical note... it happens for intstance in "Christe Eleison" in the B Minor Mass.
Whyyyyy??? Thwy start with a pieanissimo when in my opinion fits better a forte... from my point of view it is a ery conserative version, lacking of strength. Very well directed, but lack of strenth!=(
Hahaha, that's exactly what I noticed the first time I saw the video, it's a funny moment! Makes me think: what did the soloist say when SHE saw the recording! :))
Wow, that was the slowest Omnes Generations I've ever heard. Too slow, yes, but I agree that it may help to apprehend the polyphonic texture if one does not know the piece by heart already.
Nevertheless, Hanoncourt does not convince me. I stand behind Philippe Herreweghe's interpretation of Magnificat. I've heard a good Omnes Generationes from Rilling, but somehow his version is too "square" for my taste. Herreweghe is round, smooth, flowing and superior in terms of sound quality. Check it out.
These days Harnoncourt, for some reason, will insist on taking the most curious tempi while conducting. (Listen to his Figaro from the Salzburg Festival or the Hostias on his new recording of the Mozart Requiem) I agree that the Herreweghe Magnificat, both his first and second, are better- the second one even more so than the first. Funny how Herreweghe was a kind of "protoge" of Harnoncourt, collaborating on the Bach Cantatas. He owes a lot in terms of his career to Harnoncourt.
By the way, to which recording of Herreweghe and the Magnificat are you referring? There are two now. I prefer the second one, personally. More expressive.
I like the one recorded in 1990, with Schlick, Mellon, Lesne, Crook, and Kooy. It's *the* Magnificat in D, after all, whereas the later recording is an earlier version in Eb major, which was written in 1723 for the Christmas Vespers in Leipzig. In my opinion, the latter is quite good and expressive, but its orchestration is not as consummate.
True. They're both excellent in their own ways. Herreweghe's first version is more sober. More "ecclesiastical," you might say. The Fecit Potentiam in his first version was very potent.
Going back to your comment on polyphonic texture, I thought even Herreweghe brought out the polyphonics at a faster tempo. I also agree about your positions on Rilling. I've heard both Eb and D Magnificats from him and they both seem very mannered (as most of his recordings do).
I just found out yesterday that my college choir will be performing this at Christmastime. I sightread this least night and I like this tempo for the "Omnes". It doesn't sound hurried like the other version on YouTube. You can hear more musicality that way. Also, in my score it says Allegro (quarter note=69).
I agree with devon214. The choir entrance did not have that chill factor it's supposed to have. Partly because it's too slow, and I think it also lacked the passion behind it. She did a beautiful job, but the choir didn't hold up their part of the deal. Done properly, you can feel this one to your toes!
The soprano soloist is wonderful, but the choir sings the omnes generationes at a boringly slow tempo. I have sung this and it is challenging with all the melismas and whatnot but that is just too slow
Yep, It's Christine Schäfer. I think this is from "An Advent Concert of Music by Bach" and it was recorded at the Abbey of Melk. The other soloists are Ian Bostridge, Bernarda Fink, Christopher Maltman and Anna Korondi. It's gorgeous and almost a Zen experience of Advent
Wieso schreibst Du micht wer singt? Ist das nicht Christin Schäfer?
ewqaSopran 1 week ago
Gracias a Dios y a Bach por esta maravilla.
diego33689 3 weeks ago
Hace poco descubrí esta creación de Bach. Es un alimento para el alma!
YushikoKaidoh 1 month ago
oooooops. In choir we totally sang this pronouncing the g like "generations." not like.. "good." sorry Bach.
cloudpaint 2 months ago
MAGNIFICAT INDEED!
jordan3461 3 months ago
This makes me cry every time. I love this piece. <3
babblingmongoose 3 months ago 4
Increible, Amo Esta Musica!
sormob 4 months ago in playlist Johan Sebastian Bach
This extraordinary performance is totally dedicated to the joy, tenderness and gratitude that is at the soul of both the text and the music.
robertchoward 4 months ago
Yes, Pastor Jack, Vivaldi was Bach's main professor when he was a music student in Venice. Viva Italia!
magister62 4 months ago
@magister62 Bach never was in Italy, Bach never left Germany. He just moved among Thuringia and Saxony cities.
julianrns 2 months ago
Well, certainly in the musical field Italy conquered Europe, or at least had a strong influence. All the European countries were influenced by Italian music in the 17th and 18th Centuries. Lully was actually Italian, not French, Handel traveled to Italy and was heavily indebted to Italian musical forms, and Bach studied and arranged concerti of Vivaldi and Marcello--so in a sense, the Italians conquered.
pastorjackw 5 months ago
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It is fun that it is a question of tempo.
sdegrace 8 months ago
This remains my personal favorite version of this... the deliberate tempo only adds to the drama of the counterpoint. This restores my faith in music for choir every time I hear it. Thank you, Harnoncourt! Thank you, Bach!
falstocat 8 months ago
Magnificent soloist! The choir was wonderful.
rachelmilller 8 months ago
Is this recording available on CD?
patrickesspi 8 months ago
So... Slow...
GaiusRota 9 months ago
@GaiusRota It is not too slow; you, my friend, are listening to it too quickly!
falstocat 8 months ago 16
@falstocat Hahaha or that :P I think the beauty of the two pieces lies in a contrast between the simple soloist and a much quicker group chorale. But still friggin' awesome. I still contend that Bach is the best composer in history.
GaiusRota 8 months ago
They are using a Germanic pronunciation of Latin. Notice how they pronounce the "generationes" with a hard "g" instead of the soft "j" sound. Bach would have pronounced Latin this way, not in the Italianate Latin pronunciation advocated by the monks of Solesmes. Before Solesmes called for a universal pronunciation, every European country had its own way of pronouncing Latin. In Germany and Austria "quoque" would have been pronounced qvoqve with a v sound instead of w.
pastorjackw 9 months ago 2
@pastorjackw Was this the first example of Italy attempting to conquer the rest of Europe?
P1B1U1H1 5 months ago
@pastorjackw Are not all g's in Latin pronounced hard? The custom of pronouncing g's as j's was something, according to my schooling, which was not practiced in the official ancient Latin tongue. The closest consonant Latin had to a j was i: such as in Iulius Caesar or Iuno; pronounced "Yulius Kaisar" and "Yuno." The i's became j's once they we Germanized. It makes sense to me that the Latin pronunciation is hard and the German soft, as we say "Seezer" instead of "Kaisar," making hard c's soft.
KingCrassusII 3 months ago
@KingCrassusII Church Latin was pronounced in markedly different ways, depending on the locality, and reflected pronunciation conventions of the local language. There is not some centralized authority ruling pronunciation. Another example: when you hear a French group sing church Latin, you will be struck by the very French pronunciation of the vowel "u" (as in the word "Agnus") as opposed to the very open, short "u" of Italianate Latin
drtmuir 1 month ago
@drtmuir I was not talking about Church Latin, I was talking about Ancient Latin; my mistake for confusing the two!
KingCrassusII 1 month ago
I feel very small at Omnes Generationes...
Praise God!
wandrestar1982 9 months ago
I don't care for the lumbering Omnes... tempo either (a space-imposed limitation, perhaps?), but I would hardly call it 'anemic', as the lines have plenty of shape and dynamic interest. Fortunately there are many recordings of this work so we can all choose the one that suits us best. It's convenient to have one this slow and at A=415 on YT...it helps to rehearse all these runs at half-speed. ;-D
wokkawicca 10 months ago
muy lento el tempo del Omnes Generationes!!
LaMujerMetralleta 10 months ago
pessima pronuncia del latino........ terribile
zywise 10 months ago
@zywise eh scusami... perché pessima?
Questa è la pronucia tedesca del latino... si pronuncia esattamente così e penso che per la musica di Bach sia adatta. :)
thomaz89 10 months ago 3
I am probably going to sing this for a competition in autumn. :)
Bach is the best! ...born in Germany, died in Austria - my home. *sighs*
This is a really great performance.
BeaSan95 11 months ago
@BeaSan95 Bach did not die in Austria, but in Leipzig, East Germany...
louvainman 9 months ago
@louvainman my bad >_< i happen to mix up all these people... you know, since Austria is kind of "the country of musicians" ... shame on me ...D:
BeaSan95 9 months ago
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Can someone tell me where this is? I don't recognize the venue offhand. It's gorgeous!
EowyntheFair88 11 months ago
Can someone tell me where this is? I don't recognize the venue offhand. It's gorgeous!
EowyntheFair88 11 months ago
Quia respexit humilitatem ancillae suae.
Ecce enim ex hoc beatam me dicent omnes generationes.
puiciellu 1 year ago
There are many factors for determining tempo. The acoustic of the room, the smallest note valuation, the text, etc. When Harnoncourt came along, he was considered fast. He's probably now considered slow. I love his transition into "Omnes generationes". Most conductors, especially the "historically informed" seem to enjoy pulling breakneck tempi out of nowhere, simply because their ensembles can pull them off. That is NOT MUSIC, but a freak show. Harnoncourt is eminently sane/musical.
presbyterosBassI 1 year ago
What's this ensemble's name?
litoohun 1 year ago
I have absolutely no idea why music cannot be allowed to speak. That can only occur when it is given air, breath; in short, be allowed to be. Rushing has been the mode for post 1990 'officionados' who, I am afraid have been more interested in technique (e.g. finger dexterity) than the music. The performer thereby puts itself above the composer's music. I absolutely adore this calm beatification of the Mag! What music! What a performance! Perfect, indeed!
futuresplato 1 year ago 3
soooo slow , loved the solo's but this is my favourite piece and they just ruined it for me with that dreadful tempo.
dwedo 1 year ago
disappointing pace, I don't think omnes generationes was supposed to be sung so slowly
cw82352 1 year ago
@cw82352
i agree with you
dwedo 1 year ago
Hermosa interpretación.Hermosa intérprete.
elositodelpan 1 year ago
The video is a spectacle! We believe that the text received Bach's music more suitable for the declaration of Mary! Congratulations on posting.
mcpetropolis 1 year ago
The video is a spectacle! We believe that the text received Bach's music more suitable for the declaration of Mary! Congratulations on posting.
mcpetropolis 1 year ago
Christine Schäfer!!!!!!!
aigyptophilos 1 year ago
Fantastic, but there taking Omnes Generationes slower than I've ever heard it
6EthelMerman9 1 year ago
Eccellente l'orchestra, la direzione (Harnoncourt lo ricordo nella Passione secondo Matteo) e la solista. L'unico neo (peraltro rimovibile con poco sforzo) la pronuncia dell' "Ecce enim".
carlocorbacolombo 1 year ago
i like very much the reverberation in this room.
it sounds like it has some very unique construction.
i'm fascinated.
RadiusBass 1 year ago
Magnificent
safetychoice 1 year ago
For all those who have really studied bach, we know that this is wrongly played, and the tempo and style doesn´t reflect the baroque.
angelmanuel2006 1 year ago
@angelmanuel2006
The tempo is not slow, really, it is quite fast...That's You who could'nt accurately perceive the reverberation. The tempo is not an absolute notion, it must be adjusted to the number of musician and singers, to the place of performance, to the acoustics etc.
Nobilior 1 year ago
@angelmanuel2006
PS. I meant the tempo of chorus, of course.
"For all those who really studied Bach" is clear, that the spread nowadays manner of taking the very fast tempos is -as the common, almost absolute rule - false, historically and artistically.
Nobilior 1 year ago
No offense..I love the overall performance...I feel that the "Quia Respexit" was a bit toofast...I felt that it lost some of it's passion in having it move so quickly. The soprano did a lovely job although I missed some of the consanants at the ends of her words...clearly. A lovely choral performance nonetheless.
WUTaTALENT 1 year ago
@WUTaTALENT yes you are right. too fast from the soprano. it feels like she dowsnt really lealise the power of the words she is singing. there should be more pain in this to reflect the ideas
cryostation 1 year ago
@cryostation Yea!!!!!! Someone who hears it like I do! lol :)
I have loved this work and this particular aria since the first time I heard it as a teen.
It screams passion...in every peak and valley....In this specific version, it begins slightly faster than I am used to hearing it and then the Soprano pushes the conductor even more! If it were terribly difficult from a breathing standpoint, I can see picking it up in strategic places, but Bach wrote it with ample time to breathe...:)
WUTaTALENT 1 year ago
@WUTaTALENT My opinion is this: Exquisite tonality without soul is merely audible air..nothing more nothing less...The beauty comes from the effortless execution of a audible conversation from one's soul to one's voice. This solo performance is lacking in the ability to communicate...
WUTaTALENT 1 year ago
@WUTaTALENT i have to agree with you there. her performance, while i'm sure would be regarded as technically perfect i'm sure. music is so much more than that and should connect on an emotional level, and her performance just didn't do it for me.
thewispyninja 1 year ago
@thewispyninja She connects to me emotionally no matter how she sings.
P1B1U1H1 1 year ago
@WUTaTALENT Yes:) i just added you as friend. well im no expert in music theory, but i was born with absolute pitch, and i know music since an early age. a wasted talent wroght on by an unfortunate life. but i could recreate the whole bach partitas for guitar and i played them, showed them to a music teacher and she said you made no mistakes. bach is my favorite and you are right in everything you say about this performance
cryostation 1 year ago
@WUTaTALENT yes, are you a music teacher? i saw your video:) well the thing is unless you study the words and understand the passion behind them, you will never get this piece. these words are powerful steming from the earlier versions of christianity which are now totaly lost, the ideas born with the hermits known as the desert fathers. a monastic view of christianity
cryostation 1 year ago
wahou!
princessbadaboum 1 year ago
Stunning!
mlc2005 1 year ago
wonderful
sabrix2010 1 year ago
Quia respexit humilitatem
Ancillae suae.
Ecce enim ex hoc beatam me dicent
Omnes generationes...
geghalfrunt 1 year ago
0:59 - 1:21 is killing me on regular basis.
I like the tempo of Omnes Generationes
(usually it's a bit faster, but this was a breath of fresh air!)
Infinite stars!
geghalfrunt 1 year ago
lol why does 0:59-1:21 kill you on a regular basis???? :)
MezzoHannah88 1 year ago
@geghalfrunt Лако ми је за тебе, но што мене убива а ни не знам што је, па се не могу ни одбранит поштено.
А љепше је ти одпјеваш, што јес јес! ;-)
lukagrgur 1 year ago
@lukagrgur пјевам ка'но сам Бах! :)
ciktorsjukebox 1 year ago
Beautiful rubato.
fjhernando 1 year ago
Celestial, Perfec, nice
maximo1963 1 year ago
Prachtige lofzang van Maria
VrouweMarian 1 year ago
I love that oboe. Bach couldn't chose a better instrument for that melody.
BachHarmony 1 year ago
Omnes is much faster... and virtuoso.
reggaeX23 1 year ago
I love the soloist in this song, I think she's great
MezzoHannah88 1 year ago
@MezzoHannah88 YEAH WHO IS SHE - GREAT VOICE
ThirdProverb 1 year ago
@ThirdProverb her name is Christine Schäfer.
bandomi 1 year ago
esto es una pasada, es estremecedora toda la pieza, así como la interpretación
pepitho 1 year ago
I thought the chorus's entry on "Omnes generations" was a little sluggish -- it should have been tighter, not quicker, necessarily, but just more together, or right on the beat.
jbarbri 2 years ago
Well if you think this is slow then you have never listened to anything that is slow. The singer sings this very good
Antalopia 2 years ago
THis is the most anemic performance I've heard of "Omnes." Unacceptably slow! There's no excuse! This isn't Dido's death chorus, damnit!
falstocat 2 years ago
By the way, that's me being melodramatic. I like it, really, it's just remarkably slow! Why do you think he chose to do that?
falstocat 2 years ago
Because Bach's counterpoint is magnificent. I rather enjoyed being able to hear more fully what the voices were doing.
NihilNominis 1 year ago
Amazing!
jerroldtidwell 2 years ago
hi jerroldtidwell, here the vocal technique is better than the other soprano with Koopman, but not perfect (HU- militatem is out of position).
lojundolo 2 years ago
I think that people who thrive on making harsh comments about idiosyncrasies of anyone's performance are TOTALLY out of line, and should consider their own short-comings. By the way, I have yet to find your performance of a baroque work on this site?! END OF DISCUSSION.
jerroldtidwell 2 years ago
@jerroldtidwell : my dear, people has EARS and TASTE, even if they are not singers at all; do you really think that just who can make a better performance of the same aria can hear and remark a bad vocal technique? And do you really think that in the baroque era they liked poor voices and poor techniques? END OF DISCUSSION
lojundolo 2 years ago
@lojundolo, you totally misunderstand. My point is that an ounce of TACT (just as humility), of which you seem to be in drastically short supply, carries much more weight. That which you cannot improve upon merits no gain in your words spoken in ignorance.
jerroldtidwell 2 years ago
@jerroldtidwell I understand that when people make overtly negative comments, it would seem that they harbor some sort of jealousy. However, I also think that these types of blogs are merely meant for people to share their opinions, whatever they may be. I find that wehn folks who look up this type of music do so, they are genuinely interested in learning more. I think that a lot of folks can learn from the educated and uneducated comments on youtube. I think most folks are inheriently good. :)
WUTaTALENT 1 year ago
Je dois apprendre cet air en chant cette année. Et c'est ce genre de vidéo que je bénis alors, où le son est net et la voix parfaitement ajustée et magnifique. Et les mots articulés.
Rien à dire. C'est vraiment splendide !
l0uf 2 years ago
What is the name of the singer who sings the solo part?
Adlih91 2 years ago
@Adlih91 Christine Schäfer
zanamica 2 years ago
perfect
zen2967 2 years ago 14
Was für ein Mist !! Welch lahmer Arsch !! Omnes singt man wahrlich mit Tempo und dynamik. Pfui !!
hayretyani 2 years ago
ich mag es, für mich langsamer ist besser, schwer
camilocuesta 2 years ago
wow
MsKrishy 2 years ago
Such control
She is truly using her mouth as an instrument
16mikamika 2 years ago
wonderful. such a beutiful solist voice.
"omnes" touches me!
thank you for this interpretation
siral33 2 years ago 2
OMG...I've never seen so much talent together!
MilDarkAngel 2 years ago 6
Sin duda una de las mejores versiones que he escuchado.
Hollyalcuadrado 2 years ago
una excelente versión también es la de Karajan
rodstartube 2 years ago
The soloist has a really lovely voice and the players are extremely good . I think they should have done Omnes Generationes faster and more powerfully. I sung this piece 2 years ago- when done fast and furious it absolutely sweeps the audience flat (in a good way!)
tolkienfan88 2 years ago
Agree completely.
HARMONICO101 2 years ago
Magnificent!
gph28 2 years ago
My all time favorite music! Thank you, jormundgard!
emh0pe 2 years ago 2
Quia respexit humilitatem ancillae suae;
Ecce enim ex hoc beatam me dicent.
Crystal Sound!
emh0pe 2 years ago 2
Do you know what does it means??
MilDarkAngel 2 years ago
For He hath regarded the low estate of his handmaid.
Henceforth, all generations shall call me blessed.
Why on earth should these words merit a "fast and furious" treatment?
Harnoncourt's tempo is about that of a normal heartbeat.
1401JSC 2 years ago
Wow, that's the best sound I've ever heard an oboist get out of a period instrument. Great!
DisfiguredCowboy 2 years ago 2
I love her wonderful voice too! Christine Schäfer was unlucky in her life, her man passed away too soon. Here she is singing in a period of her life that I think was happy and full of hope in the future. I can only wish her the best.
elicottero 2 years ago 4
The best voice I've ever heard singing Bach's Quia Respexit Aus Magnificat
Daiman1989 2 years ago 4
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then you have not heard very good singers...the voice is airy
jhgreenhorn 2 years ago
I think the Soprano is Christine Schäfer. She has a really beautiful voice!!!
Zoramanie 2 years ago 3
Awsome piece, love Bach. i sang this in 1996 when i was i The Royal Copenhagen Boys Choir.
nembience 2 years ago
What's the name of the soprano??
She's great!!
LaBartoli 2 years ago 3
i wish it was more allegro and subito attack on the second omnes....
the soprano solo is awesome..love the dynamics and the pronunciations ok. wish it was more of a german accented latin
booduh1181 2 years ago 2
Quia Respexit is easily one of the most beautiful pieces of music I have ever heard. I am quite excited to add it to my rep this semester.
divinedevildoll 2 years ago 2
If I could sing this aria I would do it every day!!!!
GosfordAbercrombie 2 years ago 2
My god that womans voice is absolutely stunning! Thank you so much for the upload!!!
VKatze 2 years ago 4
i love optus and the conductor
Bankai95 2 years ago
i'm dying to attack that one tenor who feels the need to shake his head when he sings...it aggravates me...he does it in the first movement too...look for him.
handelfan610 3 years ago
Very good interpreation., but you
see this women next to here.
No good, This what I feel.
This is my opinion.
Chief
chiefci 3 years ago
i think that this is too fast...and too much rubato in the orchestra,,,
kartmenez 3 years ago
too fast? my mail from china got here by the time this song over...
Bankai95 2 years ago
i love this opus and this conductor
AinuriMadness666 3 years ago 2
Beautiful, but her mouth is so closed! It's wrong! Yeah it's a gorgeous sound... But her voice is all stuck in the back of her throat--She needs to open her mouth and let the sound out. But either way, Brava, it is gorgeous :)
2211886600 3 years ago 2
Maybe it's because this movement is a meditation and not a begging!
MrConductor1984 3 years ago
In aria, Quia respexit, the oboist has too much of inegal, and sopran is too... how too say, flat... Couldn't they find at medium?
mrharpsi 3 years ago
Omnes is the hardest movement!!! Too many melismas!!!!! but still the shit!!!!!!!!!
GosfordAbercrombie 3 years ago
maybe just tell Bach, see what he says.
bzz126 3 years ago
WHAT?!?!? you can never have too many melismas...that's blasphemous!!! lol.
handelfan610 3 years ago
@handelfan610 hehe! Well, you can't win! Mozart was once told one of his operas had too many notes! With Bach, he's in good company! :)
AgnesRegina 4 months ago
i think that is to fast ..... but it's my opinion
1310989 3 years ago
DIVINA!
cianurus 3 years ago 3
Outstanding performance. From all involved. I'll continue with the other parts in a moment.
crockywock 3 years ago 3
fantastic
Ghilardis 3 years ago
YES YES YES !!!!!!!!!!!
jacekjab 3 years ago 2
Wonderful rendition (and I, at least, found the slowish Omnes generationes convincing). Who is the oboist, by the way?
iaqsar 3 years ago
Looks like its Hans-Peter Westermann
PhilipNodel 3 years ago
Thanks for the information. His phrasing is splendidly baroque, with marked "inegalite" on the first note of each group of sixteenths. Lovely tone too.
iaqsar 3 years ago
3:36. AWESOME. The best SECONDS in the world.
Lotiolenti 3 years ago
Whoa! What happened with that pitch at 1:46? That was totally not the "B" that it should've been. Poor girl :( Lovely voice though.
TimonyErt03 3 years ago
she got the stare down
gavinfarkas 3 years ago
arghhh!!! the omnes generationes is WAY too slow! what was the conductor thinking?!
fightthespoons 3 years ago
In the latter part of quia respexit, Bach has a dissonant tone (voice and accompaniment) followed on the NEXT beat by a 2nd dissonance, and resolved on the next beat. DOES ANYONE know how rare, or common this is for Bach. I tend to think it is highly unusual, but I am not sure? Thanks
jax1bobw 3 years ago
In fact, dissonances in Bach between pairs of voices are rather common, espetialy in vocal music, and that is one of the toughes ordeals for singers who perform Bach, for it requires a lot of firmness in ones hear not to slide to the wrong but more (apparently) logical note... it happens for intstance in "Christe Eleison" in the B Minor Mass.
chicomanel 3 years ago
Omg gief faster Omnes plz.
Sauvagemilitaire 3 years ago
yup, bit slow but I still like it.
bzz126 3 years ago
Really funny moment english6invasion realized at 1:47.
Keithisha24 3 years ago
Whyyyyy??? Thwy start with a pieanissimo when in my opinion fits better a forte... from my point of view it is a ery conserative version, lacking of strength. Very well directed, but lack of strenth!=(
Erethras 3 years ago
At 1:47 the girl in the back on the right looks like she is going to kill her lol.
english6invasion 4 years ago 2
Hahaha, that's exactly what I noticed the first time I saw the video, it's a funny moment! Makes me think: what did the soloist say when SHE saw the recording! :))
zanamica 4 years ago
Haha! She really does!
micktdx 3 years ago
Wow, that was the slowest Omnes Generations I've ever heard. Too slow, yes, but I agree that it may help to apprehend the polyphonic texture if one does not know the piece by heart already.
Nevertheless, Hanoncourt does not convince me. I stand behind Philippe Herreweghe's interpretation of Magnificat. I've heard a good Omnes Generationes from Rilling, but somehow his version is too "square" for my taste. Herreweghe is round, smooth, flowing and superior in terms of sound quality. Check it out.
olaf81 4 years ago
These days Harnoncourt, for some reason, will insist on taking the most curious tempi while conducting. (Listen to his Figaro from the Salzburg Festival or the Hostias on his new recording of the Mozart Requiem) I agree that the Herreweghe Magnificat, both his first and second, are better- the second one even more so than the first. Funny how Herreweghe was a kind of "protoge" of Harnoncourt, collaborating on the Bach Cantatas. He owes a lot in terms of his career to Harnoncourt.
norcalrobbie2 4 years ago
By the way, to which recording of Herreweghe and the Magnificat are you referring? There are two now. I prefer the second one, personally. More expressive.
norcalrobbie2 4 years ago
I like the one recorded in 1990, with Schlick, Mellon, Lesne, Crook, and Kooy. It's *the* Magnificat in D, after all, whereas the later recording is an earlier version in Eb major, which was written in 1723 for the Christmas Vespers in Leipzig. In my opinion, the latter is quite good and expressive, but its orchestration is not as consummate.
olaf81 4 years ago
True. They're both excellent in their own ways. Herreweghe's first version is more sober. More "ecclesiastical," you might say. The Fecit Potentiam in his first version was very potent.
Going back to your comment on polyphonic texture, I thought even Herreweghe brought out the polyphonics at a faster tempo. I also agree about your positions on Rilling. I've heard both Eb and D Magnificats from him and they both seem very mannered (as most of his recordings do).
norcalrobbie2 4 years ago
I actually sort of like the tempo. It's crystal clear and doesn't spin out of control like this movement tends to do.
micktdx 3 years ago
I just found out yesterday that my college choir will be performing this at Christmastime. I sightread this least night and I like this tempo for the "Omnes". It doesn't sound hurried like the other version on YouTube. You can hear more musicality that way. Also, in my score it says Allegro (quarter note=69).
TimonyErt03 3 years ago
I'm not even a singer, nevermind an expert in Baroque music, but would Bach have marked Allegro (mm=69). I personally don't think he would have.
MercifulMe 3 years ago
The pulse is not in the quarter note; it's in the eighth notes and that's what makes this tempo so weird.
TimonyErt03 3 years ago
Thats not the point. It wouldn't have been marked in Bach's time, it must have been a suggestion by an editor.
MercifulMe 3 years ago
Quia respexit humilitatem ancillae suae.
Ecce enim ex hoc beatam me dicent omnes generationes
lupuvepette 4 years ago
We did all 12 movments of Bach magnificat for our choir concert
luckystar400 4 years ago
I agree with devon214. The choir entrance did not have that chill factor it's supposed to have. Partly because it's too slow, and I think it also lacked the passion behind it. She did a beautiful job, but the choir didn't hold up their part of the deal. Done properly, you can feel this one to your toes!
snuggykitten 4 years ago
The soprano soloist is wonderful, but the choir sings the omnes generationes at a boringly slow tempo. I have sung this and it is challenging with all the melismas and whatnot but that is just too slow
devon214 4 years ago
Sure it isn't as dramatic and surely not as impressive, but it does lay out the polyphonic web with a little more clarity
escaelis 4 years ago
Yep, It's Christine Schäfer. I think this is from "An Advent Concert of Music by Bach" and it was recorded at the Abbey of Melk. The other soloists are Ian Bostridge, Bernarda Fink, Christopher Maltman and Anna Korondi. It's gorgeous and almost a Zen experience of Advent
tanasibilio 4 years ago
Isn´t this woman Christine Schaffer??? o.O
abnerwagner 4 years ago