Ritvik or living ISKCON Guru? Srila Prabhupada never appointed predecessor

[j0eX]

Risk is good thing in bhakti!

Much better to find a guru who accepts you, answers your questions and chastises you.All of the Archaryas, including Srila Prabhupad recommend this, rather than listening to dreams and mind etc while still a conditioned soul who was recently a savage. If you need to leave ISKCON to find one, so be it. If not, otay! "There are many associations of pure devotees"==SP, Nectar of Devotion. Trust in Nitai-Gauranga They will help. Search for Sri Krishna!

[BhaktaRobin]

@j0eX Well Srila Prabhupada has already explained that all questions are answered in his books... Most of Srila Prabhupadas 1st generation disciples never met him physically(in his vapu) and only associated through his vani(teachings). So this physical present Guru Myth is a lie... The Uttama Adhikary Guru is already there: Srila Prabhupada... Of course there are also other pure devotees, but for ISKCON nobody is Diksha Guru other than Srila Prabhupada.

[BhaktaRobin]

This quotation counter-quotation will lead to nothing(See Letters Dr.Staal Vedabase)

Some people will simply worship fallen Gurus, because they are not yet purified.

I also had a bogus Guru in the beginning...

So the only sane thing is to stop fighting and accept that there are many devotees on different levels of realization and purity.

This is the mood that gives me the best feeling from within.

Western people are infected with Aristotelian logic: either good or bad, but there is much between

[Tamoharadasa]

@BhaktaRobin Either the post office box is authorized, or not. An unauthorized mail box, there will be no pickup.

[BhaktaRobin]

@Tamoharadasa Well some people do not have the sukriti to go to the authorized post box yet, so in ISKCOn they can get sukriti... That's my point.

[Tamoharadasa]

@BhaktaRobin Hare Krsna, OK. Thanks for the clarification. I believe that each individual must be assessed, not judged merely based upon initial alliances, even with rascals like Caru etc; There will be those of sincere intent who get conned, and evil ones working for the bonafide acayras, as we have seen. Still, as SP himself says, there will be no graduation if you are not enrolled with an authorized registrar.

[BhaktaRobin]

@Tamoharadasa Hare Rama, please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

That is basically what I am saying. I knew many nice devotees in ISKCON(on a personal level), but at some point Krishna arranged for me to leave. Well it depends on your destination. I am fine with liberation, you can get that even from chanting Namabhasa as I read... Probably if you want to go to Goloka you need initiation. I worship Lakshmi-Shiva...

[Tamoharadasa]

@BhaktaRobin Well said, sir. Also, Laxmi devi is the wife of Sri Vishnu, you said Laxmi Shiva here. Parvati Shiva is more correct. There is a Vaisnava sampradaya from Siva called the Rudra sampradaya, and an other via Srimati Laxmi devi called the Sri sampradaya. Putting Vishnu's wife with Lord Siva is a new idea. Hare Krsna movement is Brahma sampradaya.

[BhaktaRobin]

@Tamoharadasa Thank you, I know the different Sampradayas. After I left my previous SP bogus disciple Guru, I contacted a Guru from Shri Sampradaya and asked him what to about my material problems and he told me to Worship Shiva and Lakshmi(not Shiva-Parvarti). The daily Deity worship helped me a lot. So I am not sure which Sampradaya I belong to. I worship Lord Chaitanya, but I have no attraction to Radha-Krishna worship. Swamiji also told me to chant Sri Vishnusahasranama and it helped a lot.

[Tamoharadasa]

I humbly suggest that the advice received was materially motivated. Persons seeking to cheat will worship Laxmi without Vishnu. They wish to usurp the wife of Lord Vishnu, like the banksters worship money. They get ahead , but they take rebirth for sins. Dont forget that the Guru Brhaspati of Bali maharajah advised him not to surrender to Lord Vishnu. A real Sri sampradaya acarya will NEVER advise worship of Laxmi Devi without her husband. What? She is prostitute, for your pleasure?

[BhaktaRobin]

@Tamoharadasa Well Swamiji is not an Acharya. He told me he is initiated into Sri Sampradaya. Personally I go with whatever the Guru says, since his order is the active priciple of spirtual life. I also have a Maha Vishnu Yantra on my altar(So no Lakshmi Alone). I think I am more into Rama lila, since the ISKCON devotees gave me a Hanuman Deity from Vrindavan. Durga,Shiva,Hanuman,Ramachandr­a are all present in the Rama Lila.There are not only Acharyas, but also emp. gurus. Think outside the box

[Tamoharadasa]

@BhaktaRobin You reply with self control even when i push the envelope a bit. That is a good sign! Thank you for your nice replies. Haribol, see you about soon, sir. This video is a nice service.

[BhaktaRobin]

@Tamoharadasa It's my pleasure to associate with you :) Well I had my time as a crazy devotee too. Luckily I chant the Sri Vishnusahasranama and this Mantra made me sane. Now my realization is that Krishna is sort of self organizing the devotees. No need to argue or fight endlessly. People who are destined to get an unqualified Guru, will follow him no matter what you say. Preach to the innocent, avoid the wicked and trust the guidance from the supersoul within.There are Gurus who are authorized

[BhaktaRobin]

Dear Devotees,

please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

Well judging by the result the GBC is in no way following Srila Prabhupada's perfect example (bookchanges,molestation etc.), such fallen people simply have to be rejected. There is enough evidence against ISKCON, many devotees tried to change things, but ISKCON is resistant to any change for the better.

So if you still against all odds want to worship an ISKCON Guru do it. It is your own choice. I will not stop u

[Tamoharadasa]

"One who becomes initiated is channelized to the authorities in the disciplic succession." - S.P. ) This means, the living disciplic succession is available to the authorized devotees. The Guru does not die. Gauraharibol ! AGTSP !

[Tamoharadasa]

“And as soon as he learns the Guru Maharaja is dead, “Now I am so advanced that I can kill my guru and I become guru.” Then he’s finished.”

(Srila Prabhupada Conversation, August 16th,1976)

[Tamoharadasa]

Yes, there is definitely a vast difference between initiated and non-initiated.

One who is initiated is authorized, and one who is not initiated is not authorized. Just like, for example, Pradyumna is attending class in Sanskrit in a college, he is given chance to learn Sanskrit, but he is not equal with the regular students.

[Tamoharadasa]

One who becomes initiated is channelized to the authorities in the disciplic succession. One who isn’t initiated may chant Hare Krishna (and should certainly be encouraged to do so) and serve in his own way, and gradually by doing so he may want to be initiated. But otherwise he may fall away from following the rules and regulations....

Your ever well-wisher,

A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami

[Tamoharadasa]

This does not mean there will be no other pure devotees or acaryas within our line. But within our maths, they belong to Srila Prabhupada, and he is the guru there. Let other pure devotees surrender to this and stay inside, or go out and act independently, not occupy Srila Prabhupada's rights and properties like usurpers, so many dirty corporate flies on the throne. .

[Tamoharadasa]

Obeisances to Srila BV Puri Maharajah Thakura. Gauraharibol!

[Tamoharadasa]

So; "provided the new director is my initiated disciple" This means that all followers are to be Prabhupada's disciples, not disciples of Ratalot swami etc etc ad nauseum, and as this isthe Declaration of Will perpetually, the obvious is shown as Srila Prabhupada's ritvik intended vision for our futures. AGTSP !

[Tamoharadasa]

“9. … I have made this will this 4th day of June, 1977, in possession of full senses and sound mind, without any persuasion, force or compulsion from anybody.

A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami

[Tamoharadasa]

Regarding Srila Prabhupada’s Declaration of Will.

“3. …The executive directors who have herein been designated are appointed for life. In the event of death or failure to act for any reason of any of the said directors, a successor director or directors may be appointed by the remaining directors, provided the new director is my initiated disciple following strictly all the rules and regulations of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness as detailed in my books.

[Tamoharadasa]

No change. SP said more ritviks may be added, AS NEEDED.

Most of his disciples were recommended by local temple presidents, sannyasis, gbc's, and were even given gayatri mantras by SP's brahmanas. No changes, please.

[pada1008]

@ritviksmustdie108 I never said I was a ritvik? I said that your idea that we need to worship illicit sex with men, women and children causes mass child molesting, and now its causing cow slaughter. I said the GBC were not appointed as gurus but as administrators, and they are not administering the society, over 50 percent of their children were molested, in the Catholic church its less than one percent, you are not as advanced as the Catholics. ys pd

[pada1008]

BV Puri said that Srila Prabhupada only appointed ritviks, this was personally told to BV Puri, sorry that is what happened, he did not appoint 11 gurus, that is what BV Puri is saying. And that is what all the extensive documention supports. ys pd

[BhaktaRobin]

@ritviksmustdie108 Well the GBC, failed terribly and installed a pedophile Guru Messias club, instead of continuing the mission until someone had reached realisation. We all know the history of FISKCON(Fraudulent ISKCON)... Read Monkey on A Stick or Guru Business... These people ruine dthe good reputation Srila Prabhupada had established with their whimsical dealings. I personally got ripped off by a book distributor after I told him I am a Vaishnava. These people seem to be very insincere to me

[pada1008]

Good job!

[Tamoharadasa]

@Tamoharadasa Hare Krsna