As long as the Afrikan desc continues to allow the ghost to define our people.. people will continue to use the N word caucasoid negroid etc It is time to get ye up out of the euros vagina and take back mama Afrika Everyone wants our mother but us??? Duh!!
But were the Eyptians African or Semitics? Why is Tutankhamun's nose so thin and the tone of Egyptians in paintings (the ruling class) lighter skinned? This video is inspired by Black Supremacism - Not reality.
@RayL1983 Narmer Menes, Khufu, Menkaure, Mentuhotep II, Djoser, just to name a few were all ancient Egyptian pharaohs. All these people statues have african features. Also, last I checked they were all ruling class.
@european1001 African Americans cannot tell you we're they came from....and what is your point? Our roots are in Africa. The cat has been out of the bag for awhile now. We all know western spun history to raise themselves up and diminish Africans. Do you deny the very first Pharaoh King Menes was Black African and started the first dynasty?
@ThePerniciousTruth you are a racist who has been taking the blue pill too long. Cheikh Anta Diop shut western scholarship done and showed how they skewed their data to support their posits. In short they claimed some communities of Africans as white e.g. the Kushites et. al who are absolutely African.
@european1001 Wrong! Actually the motivation comes from racists like you denying true black/African history...the first Dynasty started with Menes who was black African and reunited upper and lower Egypt (the northern region of the Sudan/Ethiopian empire).
@european1001 The middle east use to be North East Africa before 1902 and was ruled by Africans. I have a video of a south Asian giving the historical geographical origins of Northeast Africa the land y'all ignorantly call the middle east. Also Ham is the father of the Egyptians is Yah aka Jesus fled into Egypt to blend in he had to have been black. Ham (Khawm) in Hebrew means BLACK, HOT AND BURNT. So yeah the Egyptians was black.
@ThePerniciousTruth So let me ask you this. Are you goin to believe DNA or 3000 years old artifacts, hieroglyph, culture, statues, etc ? Are you going to believe eurocentric testing who believe King Tuts is 98.6% western european. The egyptians depitched everybody in the known world Jews, Arab, Nubians, Libyians, and Greeks the way they are today but not their selfs. The ancient egyptians are BLACK.
oh wow, I didn't realize you responded...actually Taharqua retained his rule at Thebes until his death there.....you said nothing that conflicts with my statement, I talked about his defeat of the Assyrians in the defense of the Hebrews. But lets get down to the facts, check the question I asked you earlier. And if you ever manage to dig up the source of that "large scale DNA analyses" please post that also.
@european1001 dude you are a joke...i answered this question. who and what are the Egyptians. there is no Egyptian race and the 90M people you are referring to took thousands of years to get that way as they immigrated from the middle east. you make seem as though they originated in Africa. The anthropology has already shown the Egyptian people are of mixed blood and roots are black African in black Africa.
@european1001 ...6. Over time the invaders, immigrants because that is what they are took over Egypt and made it an Arab state in the end, which is why it is called an Arab Republic today, so why would the Arabs who call themselves Egyptian recognize the Africans whom they conquered. The Arabs, Asians, Europeans who now occupy are no more authentically Egyptian/African than than the Dutch in South Africa are authentically south African now or 3000 years from now.
@european1001 ...started calling themselves Egyptian. 3. if you accept 1 you have to accept 2. 4. Going back to 1 if these people are mixed how did they get that way, as Egypt is in Africa the original people had to be black African as recent findings show Africans as first humans. 5. Over thousands of years of invasions by Asians and Europeans the physical character of Egypt and northern African changed. 6....
@european1001 Actually, I have asked an Egyptian about this, he owns the garage where i park my car and he believes Egyptian roots are African. Answer me this...as i am going to start somewhere in the middle and you tell me where you disagree...1. isnt it true that the Ancient Eyptians were of a mixed race, black African, Asian (Arab), Euopean (White). 2. As this mixed race was neither completed accepted by the Asians, Whites or Africans they decided to be a community unto themselves and
@european1001 Also according to Williams in his book the destruction of black civilization, Diodorus affirms Thebans were first humans and originated philosophy, astrology. Williams also states Black "Ethiopia as the principle learning center as even debatable".
@european1001 had the most advanced civilizations? not limited to the invention of writing, math, medicine (Imotep), architecture etc. The lights and plumbing was data i came across years ago. i will find it and post it here. Also according to Williams, Greek historian/philosopher Herodotus completed his education in Egypt as did many Asians and Europeans in Ancient times.
@european1001 Getting back to your idiot comment, if there was any evidence that life started in Europe i doubt we would be having this discussion and begs the question who the real idiot might be??? Especially after you point out that some African cities are without electricity. Based on this assumption...man did not have lights until Edison, see how silly the logic is. Anyway my point is if civilization started in Africa it is only logical based on the previously mentioned timeline they...
@european1001 So, if civilization began in African this timeline by Chancellor Williams is completely logical...Nowe aka its Greek name Thebes prehistory, Memphis 3100 BC after Menes reunited Lower/Upper Egypt, which was actually Chem, which was part of a larger African empire and later came to be known as Egypt. Athens a village 1200 BC, city BC 360, Rome village 1000 BC, town 250 BC. Based on this is it logical that Greece or Rome could culturally impact an already established culture? NOT!
@european1001 sorry why is that? its racial politics. Its for the same reason in the U.S. you are considered black no matter how white your appearance if you have a drop of black blood, while in northern Africa, its just the opposite. 3rd...regarding some idiots comment, again it is widely accepted the very first humans on earth were African, thus the cradle of civilization began in Africa and this according to more recent findings than Diops.
@european1001 2nd Diop's research "cretinous"?!? - how is that? when he clearly showed how western scholarship skewed their data to support their theories, which is obviously racially and politically motivated, how else could you explain their actions, e.g. broadening the the definition of what is European to include dark skinned Africans of mixed race, while narrowly defining what is African. This is done in a "cretinious" attempt to whiten/europeanise Ancient Egyptians - is that.
@european1001 Nice to hear from you really enjoying the debate, although as previously stated African historians have already settled the debate regarding who the Ancient Egyptians were, e.g. Diop, John Henrik Clark and Chancellor Williams et al. Looks like i am going to be hear awhile, starting with the above reply...first I find it interesting you do not mention Diop was educated in EUROPE as well & miss leading if "I" did not know better....
still waiting on the source of the "large scale DNA analyses".....and actually Taharqua kicked the shit out of the Assyrians and actually saved Jerusalem and the Hebrews which is why he was mentioned in the Bible twice....his kingdom stretched all the way to Spain, he was arguably the most powerful Pharaoh in Egypt's history.
please, post the source of this "large scale DNA analyses", I would like to check it out.... it's amazing to me that Ancient Egyptians existed for thousand of years bordering Nubia and they didn't have ANY "sub-Saharan" African blood. Especially considering that Nubia ruled Egypt for a time, and had a whole line of King's that National Geographic dubbed "the BLACK Pharaohs" in a 2008 issue. But google "Menes" Egypt's first Pharaoh....what race does he resemble in your opinion ?
valariovasueaz and @european Cheikh Anta Diop research has ALREADY SCIENTIFICALLY proven this and settled this argument. No evidence has been brought forth to show otherwise...it's a shame we still debate the obvious because some cannot accept the truth. I challenge you cite any scientific evidence.
@valariovasuez and @european1001- to cut the chase and say Arabs were the first Eyptians is like saying the Dutch who now live in South Africa are the really African. It's not complicated - western scholarship knows the real history and their standing in the world will be deminished by telling the truth.Ask yourself why does African history always began with story of Arab, Greek and then Roman history. Africans had citis that had lights, sewage system etc. 4000 thousand years before the former
@valariovasquez and @european1001 - you are either not listening or ignoring the facts. It is generally accepted that the Africa is the "cradle of civilization" meaning that Africans were the very first humans on earth and that all human can be traced back to these orginal people. Therefore logically, it only makes since that the very first civilization on earth was in Africa. Originally Egypt was apart of the Ethiopian/Sudan empire an African empire ...
@scorpianbliz Our human ancestry traces back to Africa, but civilization started in the Near East. Anatomically modern humans were around LONG BEFORE "civilization" began. For the first 90+% of modern humankind, we were bands of hunter gatherers. Settled agriculture doesn't show up until around 10,000 years ago. Writing and the wheel, 6,000 years ago. Egypt civilization developed as part of the Mediterranean Fertile Crescent. But indigenous Egyptians weren't Negroid--they were Caucasoid.
@takfam07 First of to say that the indigenous Egyptians were Caucasoid is a contradiction when the only indigenous people from the beginning were black Africans. 2nd of it is generally accepted that Africa was the cradle of civilization although reluctantly so, by some white western scholarship because it blows up the myth regarding white superiority vs black inferiority.
@scorpianbliz No, Negroid sub-Saharans developed AFTER modern humans left Kenya to populate the globe 100,000 years ago. Most of us--including Near Eastern peoples, Egyptians, Asians, Europeans, Australoids--are genetically more closely related to one another, than any of us is to sub-Saharan blacks. That''s partly because of our Neandertal infusion, which blacks don't have. But mostly because people who stayed in sub-Saharan Africa got separated during the Sahara expansion and BECAME Negroids.
@takfam07 and @ValarioVasquez - So, 07, i am not sure i follow, are you saying that the first Africans were non-black and that Causcaoids are indigenous Africans based on all your comments? Also, negroid sub Saharan is a construct of white western scholarship in an attempt to say the only true Negroids are sub-Saharan while the Negriods above are are not - Diop again. please define what is Caucasoid, because this changes based on the white man' politics. Vasquez feel free to comment.
@scorpianbliz The Kenyans I know are Negroid--clearly. And I knew quite a few of them--the smartest Kenyans around. For starters, I knew Barry Obama in high school (he was two years ahead of me at Punahou)--his dad's 1/2 Luo. I knew several Kenyans at Harvard. They were genius-level, which is why Harvard recruited them. But Kenyan blacks had nothing to do with ancient Egypt and building the pyramids. And they know it, too. They're embarrassed by Afrocentric delusions of grandeur.
@takfam07 but so therefore CLEARLY this is a substantial hole in your argument and your statement misleading - as man was clearly negroid from the beginning and did not develop later. Also isn't Kenya in the Sub-Sahara? I also have met many africans from co-workers and professors and they are well aware of scientific racism used against all black people. Scientific racism which you deny, but anyone can google and scores of data about the subject.
@scorpianbliz OK, but this isn't about "scientific racism." It's about keeping historical integrity. And Afrocentrism's clear purpose is historical revision. Afrocentrics believe that blacks' history was "whitewashed and stolen," rather than accepting the probability that blacks just didn't have an extensive or influential history up until now. Besides, you didn't answer my question below. Please watch the following:
watch?v=vkp8_Dj1TzA ("Afrocentrics Exposed..."). Your thoughts?
@takfam07 "isnt about scientific racism"!! due you realize it is because of scientific racism we are having this discussion, so what "integrity" are you talking about? to digress, the ancients did not think in terms of race as there was no racial hierarchy, race was a construct that came later for socio political reasons to justify chattel slavery of africans, based on some of the things i read and based on my observations this posit makes sense.
@takfam07 btw i commented on the video...if you recall i said the publisher of the video cherry picked images which is silly really because anyone can look up the images showing the black and brown images of the royal families, also Tut's authentic image not the constructed ones of the last decade, are far from caucasian is closer to the the African americans look today.
@takfam07 never claimed Kenyans built the pyramids - pyramid building is a part of Sudanese culture. I am also aware that white scholarship saying pyramids in the Sudan is due to Egyptian influence when in fact it is the opposite as when the Arabs finally destroyed Napata or Meroe in the heart of the Land of the blacks the pyramids farther north had already been existence for 2K yrs or more.
@takfam07 Again define Caucasiod. To start from the beginning, the country that is Egypt today was originally a part of the all black African Sudanese empire. Over several thousand years of invasions & race mixing a displaced mixed race was created, that was not completely accepted by Asians, whites or blacks and decided to call themselves Egyptians. However, this happened after the all black African king Menes reunited the northern region of the Sudan and started the first dynasty...
@scorpianbliz Sorry, but ancient Egypt was never "part of an all-black Sudanese Empire." This is PURE Afrocentric fiction. All DNA tests and archaeological evidence confirm that Egyptians belong to Caucasoid races of the Mediterranean. Go to Egyptand see for yourself. They aren't Negroes. And their ancestors, the ancient Egyptians, also separated themselves from black Africans. Proof? Watch the following YT video:
@takfam07 1) the video of out of context cherry picked images shows what a joke you are while this video speaks the truth v=WJzVX_OHnOE&feature=related. 2) what are the names of the Caucasians (btw you never did define this and contintue to ignor this question) peoples indigenous to Africa. 3) Is it true the first dysnasty was started by Menes/Namer who was Black African
@takfam07 Specifically what archaeology evidence and DNA testing proved the Egyptians were white. Becasue again findings by Diop, S.O.Y Keita, Frank Yurco and Charles Bonnet all support Diop who started this discussion. Are you saying all these scientists are wrong. cite your sources please....
@scorpianbliz North African Berbers and Egyptians are good examples of indigenous Caucasians in Africa. DNA evidence shows that Caucasoid peoples re-entered North Africa from the Near East c. 25-30,000 years ago. Egypt started around 3,000 BC. So whites were long established in North and Northeast Africa by the time Egypt got going. Google "North Africa map"--Egypt is NOT part of sub-Saharan Africa. It is part of the Mediterranean/Eurasian Fertile Crescent. Egyptians are not Negroid.
@takfam07 No not true Diop again...According to the 1974 UNESCO Symposium report all scholars who held the view that the Ancient Egyptians were caucasiod or asian changed their position to the the strong evidence Diop presented is this not true?
@takfam07 wrong and delusional! Egypt not a part of Africa? 1)berbers, moors etc are the direct result of race mixing with the Arab and Caucasian conquerors over several thousand years, which is why Arabs in Egypt are Egyptian in name only and dropped the facade as Egypt is now an Arab Republic to be clear these are just as indigenous as the dutch in South Africa. Which scholarship that has not been debunked by Diop, Egyptologist Frank Yurco, arch. C. Bonnet, B. Trigger
@scorpianbliz "Around 39,000–52,000 years ago, the western Asian branch spread radially, bringing Caucasians to North Africa." Maca-Meyer, et al. 2001 (Molak: 2008 )
@scorpianbliz Menes was a quasi-fictional character, possibly a collection of several early-Egyptian pharaonic figures. Whoever he was, he was NOT black African. Because the Egyptians were not blacks. No offense, but if Egyptians were Negroid, then Egypt would never have arisen. Look at the deeply primitive state of the rest of Africa. If blacks were capable of building Egypt, then civilization should also have developed elsewhere in Africa. Egyptians were Near East Caucasoids.
@takfam07 I love it!! you unintentionally prove my point for me...you are mad on many levels, racist & therefore ignorant - lets see how ridiculous these statements are point by point 1) first and most importantly black achievement - we have penetrated every elite postion known to become astronauts, doctors, lawyers etc not to mention leader of the "free" world President of the U.S.
@scorpianbliz just wanted to add blacks have acheived and ascended despite attempts by racisim to block it, which again is an empirical verifiable fact ala 400 years of slavery, jim crowe, the civil rights movement - conspiracies targeting blacks as per author Black' Slavery by another name, as per COINTELPRO
@scorpianbliz Blacks "penetrated every elite position" because of white-guilt manufactured representation. Following slavery, blacks totally lacked the skills to handle freedom. But instead of focusing on cultural and personal development, blacks clamored for "equal rights" instead--and stayed ignorant. Illiterate blacks wanted to wear top hats, tails and hold office! LOL *smh* blacks never change. Attracted by glitter, not substance. This is why they remain on the socioeconomic bottom.
@takfam07 based on the evidence i presented i can understand the guilt, slavery and american apartied afterwards which leads into my next point because you either distort or ignore history, because after slavery blacks were still oppressed how is that equal silly man, hence the civil rights movement - Obama is POTUS because of white guilt do you see how ridiculous that is?
@takfam07 "blacks totally lacked the skills to handle freedom" again i will provide evidence of the ridiculousness of your statement cuz clearly you are ignorant. Research the Historical Sociey's of NYC exihibit on slavery in New York. You will learn that African slaves acted as a de facto middle class as they were the labor class and worked as barbers, blacksmiths, carpenters, farmers, acted taxis, owned land etc. pervasive ongoing racism is what they were not prepared for...
@scorpianbliz ...in fact the exhibit about slaves in new york shows how the laws created to oppress slaves during the british occupation are the same laws used to control blacks today as per a professor i had who was a for Assistant Districk Attorney. Notice how i provide examples and verifiable evidence, eg Bruce Trigger, UNESCO 1974 Cairo report, New York Historical Society and statements not based on obvious racism which shows your ignorance!!!
@scorpianbliz No, Booker T. clearly outlined that blacks SHOULD HAVE owned the labor market, because they were the bulk of skilled craftsmen and laborers during slavery. But Booker, a newly-freed slave himself, saw that blacks did not put their energies into optimizing their situation as new free people. Blacks had no plan, didn't know how to handle freedom, how to be thrifty, how to work hard as its own reward, how to raise capital, how to invest. And they'e never embraced these as a race.
@takfam07 Again i say no to you...you go from one extreme to the other...out of one corner of your mouth you say blacks/Africans are in capable of high achievement then i prove YOU wrong with self evident examples not excluding the pinnacle of of Black achievement ala a Black POTUS - The fact that blacks have achieved so much today despite numerous attempts to block their ascendency speaks volumes to their genius & resiliency...now very dubiously YOU say Booker T says we should have cornered...
@takfam07 ...labor force/working class after 300+ slavery that outlawed the education of slaves-YOUR statement lacks common sense. You and Booker T are entitled to your opinions, however i c your Booker T and raise you with intellectual giant W.E.B DuBois who early on supported Booker T, but later realized more radical thinking was necessary. OH btw thanks for pointing out another high black achiever, even if i don't agree completely with his views as yet again you unintentionally prove my pt.
@scorpianbliz DuBois grew up a free black in Western Massachusetts, went to Harvard, wore a top hat, tails, white gloves and walking cane, and used words like "yonder," "hark," and "whence" in conversation. He was ensconced in the liberal North. Booker T. was from the South, grew up among black slaves and white masters. Who do you think knew blacks better? Who do you think knew racist whites better? DuBois foregrounded "equal rights" while downplaying black dysfunctionality--TRAGIC mistake.
@takfam07 No again a ridiculous posit...based on your statement - slave owners vs non-slave owners were in a better position to understand the human condition of slavery. quick comment on the dysfunctionality of blacks - of course this is the case - Dr. Joy Degruy did a study and empirically proved just as veterans of war suffer post traumatic stress syndrome blacks today suffer from the same symptoms - for those interested look her up post traumatic slave syndrome.
@takfam07 to be put in its proper context let me answer this question before it is asked. in the beginning army doctors tried to deny, ignore pstd until the evidence of it could not be ignored, the same happened to Dr. Degruy white scholars were slow in the reception of her ideas but in the end she proved her case.
@scorpianbliz Today's black Americans do not suffer "post-traumatic stress disorder." Very few blacks today experienced any of the direct racism their forefathers endured. No, today's blacks were brought up in a severely and tragically dysfunctional culture, one that was formed during and within the slave experience. Traits that might have been helpful in preserving dignity during slavery, are unfortunately the exact OPPOSITE values needed to function well in the context of freedom.
@takfam07 sorry wrong again ptss for blacks is real as blacks still suffer from direct racism of which i have given evidence previously and will provide again. Black's book "Slavery by another name" and the New York Historical society both mention the laws "created" to control the black population, laws which still exist and are still being used today. Besides name one instance where a unarmed white man was shot at 40+ plus times by police whereas Amadou Diallo, Sean Bell were wrongfully ...
@scorpianbliz Blacks don't experience "racism" today. What they face is an artificial front put up by non-blacks to placate blacks and their demands. The Civil Rights industry did a good job of making the charge of "racism" toward blacks a career-ending proposition for non-blacks. This plays upon "white guilt" and the notion that white success cannot be considered "earned" if it came at the expense of blacks. AND the notion that black failure is solely the result of racism. (cont).
@takfam07 I have to comment further...you are either naive or based on your tone ignorantly racist - again name one unarmed white man shot at and killed as Amadou Diallo? name one! Again specifically what is this artificial front you speak of?
@scorpianbliz (cont). This is why we live in this strained-and-phony race dynamic. Blacks are coddled and treated with kid gloves in the middle class arena--lowered school admissions standards, hiring quotas, etc. However, the black underclass is in a perpetual "cops and robbers" game with white law enforcement--primarily because of black criminality, a cultural trait further exacerbated by the black sense of entitlement--i.e., "we can do no wrong, because white racism made us this way."
@scorpianbliz If the judicial system treats blacks and whites unequally, it isn't because of hatred of the color "black." It's because blacks are 7x more likely to murder and 8x more likely to rob than whites. Blacks have a deep criminal propensity, including violent crime, as reflected in the per capita statistics by race. I don't think the propensity is genetic, although it's tempting to draw that conclusion (i.e., black=violent, evil, etc.), No--it's due to cultural underdevelopment.
@scorpianbliz It's tempting to say black crime is genetic, because of the black propensity for crime. Look at the crime statistics in black Africa, in Haiti, in black communities in the US. Everyone KNOWS blacks commit more crime--that's why the stereotypes persist. If it weren't true, the stereotype wouldn't be there. This is why the judicial system might seem skewed against blacks--because more blacks are in it per capita than any other race. Black culture doesn't seem to forbid crime.
@scorpianbliz this @takfam07 is a serial racist ,,funny thing this guy is asian ..a japanese white supremacy sympathiser,,he contructs $100 dollar words supported by white supremacy philosophy to sound aunthentic.You will be able to immediately notice how he will move away from subject debate and start to insult you with stats on black crime rates,welfare.etc,this is a tool he uses when he gets owned,you most certainly did that,,he travels around youtube..stalking black users
@takfam07 you statement ignores history which is saturated with racism of which i have already gave evidence do you deny jim crow, lynchings, segregation etc...i done your argument is so ridiculous
@scorpianbliz if you want a record of his stalking adventures..just simply google his user name..than follow the youtube video titles back on this site and you will find all of his battles with us,,,or join me on the booker t washington video...the atlanta conpromise address 1904,,you will find takfam07 excercising his daily obsession,,stalking black people...I noticed in one commentary he was saying blacks are 7x to 8x to commit violent crimes than whites..he repeats his bigotry
@takfam07 ...murdered by police. Rodney King, COINTELPRO and the murder of Fred Hampton was racially motivated etc. if i had the energy i could pull evidence that most objective people would readily recognize from Joy's book regarding ptss which explains a lot regarding actions and behaviors of blacks and at last we may finally agree on something - black dysfunction is rooted in how american slavery was conducted, but have to add actions many, but not all whites contributed afterwards.
@scorpianbliz No non-black feels sorry for Rodney King, or sees him as anything more than a criminal who deserved his beating. However, blacks see him as a kind of political hero. Which is thoroughly stupid--blacks should toss trash like him out of their orbit. Too many blacks want to live outside the law and get away with it. And that's because they cannot succeed within society--they lack the skills. And they lack skills because their culture is dysfunctional. A vicious cycle, you see.
@scorpianbliz Every black should be required to read Booker T.'s autobio "Up From Slavery." Booker said that sure, white racism existed--but the BIGGER problem was black cultural dysfunctionality. Blacks did not know how to take care of themselves, to build their culture, to be honorable so that no one could deny them their rights. DuBois said: "fuck that, Uncle Tom. Give us our rights and sheeit!" Too bad. Booker's method would've worked--it sure worked for Asian Americans.
@takfam07 your responses are a joke, 1) white racism "existed" does that mean it no longer to exists? 2) I totally agree to a large degree blacks are dysfunctional and the root causes? please tell us why this is the situation? SMILE - i can't wait to see what you have to say....
@takfam07 2) Menes - what is quasi-fictianal? not only can his black African image be googled he is credited with starting the Egyptian Pharaonic dynasties a documented fact NOT fiction. Your reluctant to admit this because it proves the original Egyptians were in fact black.
@takfam07 finally 3) Finally there is more than enough literature contrary to the view that Caucasians were indigenous to Africa, but actually the conquering invaders ala current today Egypt as the perfect example of my posit. Current day Egyptians are Egyptian by default and are actually imigrant occupants. All data contrary to this is racist spin which has been proven. Perfect exampe is Peopling of Egypt written by UNESCO members. This report documents the debate.....
@takfam07 ....regarding the race of the Ancient Egyptians and shows how although reluctantly the members positing that if the Ancients were not caucasian there was caucasian influence, Diop and Obenga provided empirical, empirical meaning that it could be proven the culture, language and phsyical characteristics of that the Ancients is all black African. my arguments are not really for you because your ignorance is self evident but for those "open" minded individuals paying attention.
@scorpianbliz No, the problem is that you're steeped in Afrocentric revisionist history. And that is one of the many tragic characteristics of the Negroid race today. If Diop, Obenga, and the rest were credible, they would be taught at accredited universities. But a "black Egypt" does not stand up to DNA and historical evidence. Look at the art and mummies. And modern Egyptians are directly descended from the ancients. It's shamefully ignorant for Bantus to try to steal their birthright.
@takfam07 No incorrect, Diops findings have been confirmed - white scholarship chooses to ignore the data because as the dominate culture they can...for now. Those in power decide what is taught simple as that and i already given extensive evidence of white scientic and institutional racism which can be verified and that is the real reason why it is not being taught. In short it shatters the myth of black inferiority.Do you deny the history of institutional and scientic racism.
@scorpianbliz "The anthropological study and the microscopic analysis of hair, carried out by four laboratories: Judiciary Medecine (Professor Ceccaldi), Société L'Oréal, Atomic Energy Commission, and Institut Textile de France showed that Ramses II was a 'leucoderm', that is a fair-skinned man, near to the Prehistoric and Antiquity Mediterraneans, or briefly, of the Berber of Africa." [Balout, et al. (1985) 383.]
@takfam07 scientic racism is an empirical fact & verifiable there are many documented examples, for instance scholars such as Bruce Trigger condemned the often shaky scholarship on such northeast African peoples being Causaoid. He declared that the peoples of the region were all Africans, and decried the "bizarre and dangerous myths" of previously biased scholarship, "marred by a confusion of race, language, and culture and by an accompanying racism."
@scorpianbliz Everyone has long accepted that ancient Egypt was generally Eurasian (i.e., more Caucasoid). But since you INSIST they were black--can you PLEASE EXPLAIN the following?: 1) pictures of brown-skinned Egyptians with European facial symmetry, battling and enslaving black Nubians with Negroid facial symmetry; 2) DNA evidence pointing to Europe; 3) the pharaonic mummies with blonde flowing hair & white facial features; and 4) their direct descendants, modern Egyptians, ARE NOT BLACK.
@takfam07 1) no everyone has not Bruce Trigger called white folks on their ridiculous theories 1) silly man when you follow the chronology images of the earliest royal families are black in color and lighten over time which supports my argument and Menes' image is unquestionably black and brown did not equal caucasian until caucasians discovered Ancient Egypt and realized this civilization shattered all their racist myths. 2) what DNA results are you referring to...
@scorpianbliz@takfam07 is an asian racist that targets black ppl on youtube.He is a white supremacist supporter who claims he wants to help blacks.yet he blames the victim instead of the criminal.He is infamous for his overstatement that blacks are culturally underdeveloped.he will patronize you with your own history .and tries to sanction it with his slip of "by the way i went to harvard".What he means to say is I am smarter than you..you were right if you thought he was a bigot
@jayelldude i tried to give him the benefit of doubt, but it soon became obvious that @takfam07, @phoencian7 et. al. have an agenda. the problem i have is the subtle and not so subtle racist comments they make that are outrageous and how they cherry pick their data, while not acknowledging the contradictory data that makes for a balanced debate, e.g. iconography that shows white slaves and not just the nubian ones. In one of the eurocentric vids their is a throne that shows...
@scorpianbliz nubians and whites bound to the legs of the same throne but the author focuses on the black slaves. another example strong piece of evidence is one of the bas-reliefs of Seti I which shows the known races to the AEs with Horus in the lead followed by an Egyptian, Nubian, Asian, white man. Champollion said this shows the order from the most civilized to the least civilized with the white man bringing up the rear, making an white egypt that much less likely.
@scorpianbliz@phonecian is absulutely a whitesupremacist,but @takfam07 is a serial stalker of black folks. He is obsessed with patronizing blacks on youtube. This goes far beyond this video that you commented on.He shows up on any black video and goes into a racist rant. Debating with him is like a dog chasing his tale. He repeats the same rhetoric to all that he clashes with. As I told you ..google him and most will lead you to a youtube video,,
@scorpianbliz , On the glyph you are referring to, depending on the time period that scene was created, it is very possible the Hyksos could have been on the throne. I`m not sure which scene you are referring to but I know there`s a scene of the Hyksos holding some brothers captive and some say it`s the Egyptians they have captive.
@takfam07 ...as Tut's DNA has not been released and as we were speaking of images when looking at the authentic art of Tut in what country would he considered caucasian, i doubt very seriously any western country would claim him as caucasian and plenty of black people look like him today. 3) blond really!?! if true obviously of mixed heritage unless blond africans are indigenous too...4) currently Egypt is a "Arab" Republic self explainatory...Next!
@takfam07 any research done regarding the 1974 UNESCO Symposium shows that Diop who said the Ancient Egyptians were black African had a much stronger case versus the other scholars who held the position of being caucasoid. this is a verifiable fact period. 3) what was the race of Namer Menes who started the Pharoahnic dynasties? Was he not Black African?
@scorpianbliz All you have to do is watch the following short video to be reminded that a) the Egyptian pharaohs were Caucasian; and b) the hair and skin preservation of Egyptian (white) vs. Nubian (black) mummies still makes their racial background evident today. You can tell the difference clearly:
@takfam07 First of the terms Egyptian/Ethopian were not the names of the country/region that was inhabited by all black people well back in prehistory, Ethiopian from the Greeks which means literally black faces. 2nd the all black populace were defending it back in prehistory from Arabs since prehistory and the Arabs won - to the victors go the spoils including "His" story which is Arab/eurocentric and why the region is predominately Arab speaking today
@takfam07 3) when you look up the history of neighboring Sudan it becomes evident when you piece together its history where th first pyramids were built, additionally the Menes united the two lands upper and lower Egypt, because it was originally part of the southern empire, which is why white scholars avoid admitting the true meaning of two lands, one claim is because the nile starts in the highlands of Africa another ....
@takfam07 Another says they divided over religion. No! according to Chancellor it is because Arab invaders pushed the blacks southward to a point and no more and while on the subject they wanted the southern heart of Egypt the Sudan for the centuries and their bitterness in Sudan now, but my point is Alexander the Great thought about until he saw the might of Queen Candaces army.
@takfam07@european1001 according to Joel Freeman a PH.D blacks were the first to dominate the earth and educated asians and whites in medicine, science etc. google Mr. Freeman and if you can tell me were i can go to get verifiable evidence that refutes him.
@scorpianbliz The fact that serious Egyptologists write Freeman off as a pseudoscientific fraud, and that his "theories" are never taught at accredited universities, should tell you something. Also, please--blacks didn't educate whites and Asians in science and medicine. Blacks still conspicuously fail in those disciplines today! Blacks still struggle with modernity--as evidenced by the squalid disease, poverty and violence of every large black population on earth. No offense, just truth.
@takfam07 Oh please! interesting how your tone changed...also interesting how you ignore specific question like 1 )who were these indigenous African Caucasians, cause you know they don't exist, 2) was the 1st Pharoah Menes black African 3) what are the names of these scientists that conduct DNA research that show that the Egyptians to be caucasian. Also, is Egyptologist Frank Yurco wrong too?
@takfam07 you make a lot statements with verifiable evidence, blacks still struggle today due to the roll of 400 years of slavery, institutional racism after emancipation, consider "Slavery by Another Name" by Black, Jim Crowe, lynchings etc. why else would the Civil Rights movement have been necessary. All verifiable racisim in an attempt to slow the ascendency of blacks.
@takfam07 struggle with modennity, how absurd, when there are CEOs of multi-million dollar companies, The BE 100s, Fortune 500 companies, doctors, lawyers name one area Blacks have not penetrated? that is how absurd your statement is.
@takfam07 regarding the below to be clear the first Egyptian dynasty was an all black ruling class, the Ancient Egyptians had a majority black population that changed over time in complexion due to invasions and race mixing white scholarship knows this
@takfam07@takfam07 again i say this is not true representation of the facts and white scholarship on world history is the fabricated "story" of those who now rule. 1) to be clear mankind's roots are black african as the first humans were black and migrated to people the world as per Gloger's law. 2) white scholarship that posits the Egyptians were caucasian is obvious scientific racism and flawed - for example the same people you say are the caucasian ancestors of the Egyptians...
@scorpianbliz Just because whites have ruled the world for the past 500 years or so, doesn't mean that history is "fabricated." Whites took over because they employed the scientific paradigm, they had the right kinds of governments in Europe, and a colonizing mindset. They subjugated blacks without much trouble--blacks even aided in the enslavement of their own people. This is all wrong and cruel--but it DOESN'T therefore follow that blacks were anything other than primitive tribal peoples.
@takfam07 wrong again according to Chancellor and Joel Freeman Black civilizations were the very first known to man and regarded as THE world power and was so for thousands of years, not much trouble eh? wrong again. Southern Cradle-Egyptian Model vs Northern Cradle-Greek Model explains how whites came to dominate and also show which culture is more primitive.
@takfam07 would be black by definition in america and only in white scholarship are they made causcasian. Another way you try to have it both ways...is to include masai warriors ethiopians in the so-called causcasian clusters. 3) as stated earlier Egypt before there was an egypt was a part the all black sudanese empire and pyramid building started there.
@scorpianbliz The way to test your assumption that ancient Egyptians would be defined as "black" in America is to ask: Are MODERN Egyptians considered "black" by Americans today? No--I've been to Egypt twice. Not only are they NOT black African--they take offense at the characterization. And all evidence suggests that modern Egyptians are directly descended from the ancients. In their desperation for a "history," AfroAms commit the egregious crime of trying to steal away Egyptian heritage.
@takfam07 Silly man modern egyptians are egyptian by default and therefore not real egyptians but arab conquerors as it is now called an Arab Republic and histroy bears this out and no direct decendents. speaking of heritage more evidence anthropomorphized imgages are african e.g. baboons, crocodiles etc depiction of ostrich feathers in egyptian culture is distinctly african.
@scorpianbliz For blacks to claim that modern Egyptians are "Egyptians by default," when modern Egyptians believe they are directly descended from the ancient Egyptians--that's a VERY serious claim. You are essentially telling 80 million people that they aren't who they think they are. That somehow, it was YOUR ancestors who were the real Egyptians. That's why Egyptians just laugh at American blacks. Their ancestors' art shows them vanquishing blacks. It's clear to the world.
@takfam07 and you say that you did research in Egypt??? again point by point...1)i say Arabs in egypt are egyptian by default because they have been there for centuries and not the original people - a) they speak the language of the Arab invaders b) i've read Dr. Hawass has admitted the egyptians are NOT Arab, but i admit he also denies that they were black, which is telling because he knows there is more evidence of them being black than anything else because i have also read ....
@takfam07 he does not publish findings independent or otherwise, now why is that? 2) Critical examination history bears this out...a) the region was black african as Greek historians have stated b) the complexion of the region has changed over thousands of years due to settlement by traders and wars from outsiders the of blood of the original people was 100% african and then changed to to become afro-asian/euro-asian who became egyptian and displaced original people who did not...
science say there is only one RACE and 3 sub races from those races. Negroid, Mongoloid,and Caucasoid. everything else is a mixture. Arabs are a mix between the 3.
@MajesticRootZ hmm..."Race is a social construct, not a scientific classification," Robert S. Schwartz, M.D. wrote (in "Race Is a Poor Measure," New England Journal of Medicine, Vol. 344, No. 18, May 3, 2001). "Any attempt to establish lines of division among biological populations is both arbitrary and subjective." Perhaps this why the Ancients Africans/Greeks did not think in terms of race but region, my point is racial hierarchy is a man made socio politico cconstruct used...
@AskariWaryaa true but those are the main variety, for all those who believe in science there is only one race the human race which started in Africa.
@takfam07 ...call themselves egyptian. How did this happen, as the invaders started to dominate the north race amalgamation continued creating a phenomenon we are all too familiar with a race or community of mulattoes who were neither all african or all arab etc. mulattoe phenomenon created a new race class neither completed accepted by either side but in the north as today a socially higher class than blacks...my evidence the very same phenomenon occurred in south africa...
@scorpianbliz "A 2009 DNA study on modern Upper Egyptians using comparisons based on molecular data found no differences between the general Caucasian population from Cairo or Egyptian Christians from Cairo. The Southern Egyptian population is closer to Middle Eastern, North African, South Asian and European populations than sub-Saharans, which is consistent with the historical record, which records general population continuity from the Early Dynastic period up to the modern era." (FSI 3/88)
@takfam07 if anything this proves my point modern egyptians are not authenctically egyptian as i have said and your reaching with the historical record comment as any fool can see from the authentic artifacts that the images are black and brown which = Black African.
@takfam07 as mulattoes have better oppotunities and this is the same today in modern times in any region that had chattel slavery, latin america, america as shown by Dr. L. Gates documentary blacks in laten america. 3) Dr. Hawass proves my case for me depending on your perspective of race - he quoted as saying the Ancients are neither Arab or African why? it is because they were a people of mixed people a combination of afro-asian/afro-european and it is this mixed race that ...
@takfam07 BECAME to be known as egyptian exclusively over time. this is not new white scholarship has know this for over 200 years. Oh btw a drop of black blood meant you were black until very recently ala the bi-racial phenomenon. Because of the criteria of black bood that whites established, perhaps that is why blacks make the claim. But it is interesting how whites change the blood rules to fit their agenda. black blood in america means black but the very opposite in africa.
@scorpianbliz Racial historian Arthur Kemp took King Tut's DNA through a Haplogroup Predictor created by retired physicist and professor Whit Athey. The resulting haplogroup came back with a 99.6% match with the R1b haplogroup: "the most common Y-chromosome haplogroup in Europe reaching its highest concentrations in Ireland, Scotland, western England and the European Atlantic seaboard--i.e., European through and through." This DNA evidence would hold up in a paternity suit in a court of law.
@takfam07 Arthur Kemp REALLY!?! The overt white separatist who is not a scientist i am sure his study is completely above board. You must really be desperate now!!! to go there...
look at the timeline of Egypt, Arabs moved in 600 AD. before them Nubian held Egypt as a state, and Nubian are black African. Everyone knows that Arabs of the ancient world were traders on camels. camels are not native to Africa. Therefore where are the Nubian that held Egypt they were expelled by the Romans.To tell a people they weren't there is easy for example during communism many Russians and Germans fled to U.S,new immigrants. today they act as if they were here during the 1600's.
@MajesticRootZ my apologies and i don't want to assume, but what are you saying with this sentence. "Therefore where are the Nubian that held Egypt they were expelled by the Romans" can you rephrase or elaborate?
Modern Egyptians are descendants of Arabs. You are correct in asserting that most modern Egyptians are not black. However, there is clear evidence of the African's origin in the great lakes region and his movement up the Nile and the subsequent settlement in Khemet (Egypt)... the relationship of Khemet, Nubia, and Punt is inseparable. Some West Africans are descendants of ancient Egyptians...many Egyptians fled Egypt and settled in West Africa during the Arab invasion.
@pr1ncess214 No worries. Sorry if I come across too harsh or cynical. It takes awhile for people to figure out I'm not actually racist (if they ever get that far). I might come across that way, but my intent is positive. I'd like to see blacks advance and rise, that would be inspiring and deserved on their part. My Socratic method is just meant to challenge, not denigrate!
actually you are racist, you just don't know it consciously. Like most people, you apply some sort of cognitive dissonance to your logic in order for you to relieve guilt while maintaining your racist beliefs. Your bias toward African scholarship is evident, and your tone toward African people is condescending "I want to see blacks advance, it's inspriring etc" it's obvious that you are coming from a place of assumed superiority and see your statement as some sort of sign of goodwill
@ValarioVasquez "Cognitive dissonance"? I studied African and AfroAm History at Harvard Graduate School. I traveled to Egypt and sub-Saharan Africa twice with Harvard. I worked closely with many elite, highly-trained African scholars. So I'm very aware of REAL African History. My bias is against Afrocentric fabrication. My African Harvard colleagues dismiss Afrocentrists like Diop and Van Sertima. They consider them an embarrassment. That's why they're not part of any serious curriculum.
OH PLEASE....colleagues like who ?....Gates ?....LMAO...Gates is a joke and a prominent Eurocentrist...."scholars" like him that tell a bunch of half-truths are the real embarrassment. Why don't you take a stand against Eurocentric fabrication ?....what you call "serious curriculum" is nothing but a majority of Eurocentric fabrication....the problem is when scholars like Dr. Clarke or Dr. Diop come with some TRUTH people reject it because it conflicts with the lies they been told.
@takfam07 dude you are starting to embarrass yourself....recent studies have supported Dr. Diops posits, such as the very first humans were African and the DNA of the Ancients shows their Black African roots
@pr1ncess214 Well, Egyptians themselves must "whitewash" their history. I traveled through Egypt, and mostly what you see depicted in the great Dynastic art are neither blonde Caucasians nor Bantu-looking peoples. They appeared to be a mixed-race people, as most Egyptologists agree. So that takes nothing away from blacks. But blacks want it ALL (which is understandable). I wouldn't mind if Dynastic Egyptians WERE all-black. But they clearly were not. If they were, it would be unambiguous.
DNA studies show that ancient Egyptians were not of sub-Saharan Negroid origins. The ancient Pharaohs were predominantly of rb1 haplogroup, which is Caucasian. This makes sense, as Negroids never developed even a fraction of an Egypt-type civilization anywhere else. Much of sub-Saharan Africa hadn't even discovered the wheel or writing until introduced by others in 15th cent. AD. But if blacks can show rapid civilizational progress today, that'll be better than false claims on ancient Egypt.
@takfam07 Let it go my dear..all that rb1 haplogroup will not fly anymore. The most important figure to the Europeans has been exposed to have African Ancestry - Cleopatra. Now she is depicted as a Murderer. Typical- because she is not all Greek, or Roman she has been turn into a murder. Before when you guys thought she all European, she was depicted as this beautiful, intelligent and power queen.Egypt is AFRICA and Africans....currently the Arabs occupy the land. we know and you know.
@vibrantkitty1 Cleopatra's known lineage was on her father's side, Macedonian Greek mixed with Persian. Her mother's side is unknown, but "unknown" doesn't automatically mean "black." The marble bust of Cleopatra carved in her lifetime, along with all other depictions, clearly do not indicate a phenotypically Negroid person. Of course, it's understandable why modern blacks want to claim Cleopatra. By all accounts she was brilliant, and of course, famous. But she wasn't black.
@takfam07 You are a little too late, the documentary has already been done, Cleopatra has African Ancestry..sorry. Who did the marble bust? One bust for a powerful queen? ODD. You guys are known for writing and doing arts to benefit your kind. For example the pic and statues of Jesus is white, with blue eyes and blonde hair, now y'all that is a LIE. Let me give it to you african style, only a mother can tell you who the real father was, DNA did not exist then. The paternity can be questioned.
@vibrantkitty1 Everyone does writing and arts to benefit their own kind. Blacks didn't develop writing on their own, that is a major historical liability. Also, whites didn't purposely try to omit blacks from history. That's smacks a little of "delusions of grandeur." Let's face it, if Dynastic Egyptians were unequivocally black, that's how we'd know them to be. But they weren't. Nobody wants to steal Ancient Egypt from blacks. It just wasn't black to begin with. Mixed-race at best.
@takfam07 really dude?!? delusions of grandeur when the racism is so obvious? you insult the intelligence of the people and are only kidding yourself. HIStory was no accident, did @valariovasquez school on how white scholarship conveniently changed the definition of African to fit their purpose.
@takfam07 Who did they do the DNA studies on? Ancient Egyptians, or the current ones who are clearly Arabs? WE can trace the Arabs entry into Africa. why do you guys argue over African history do you see us claiming the Stonehenge or the storming of the Bastille? Or you guys don't want to believe that your grand and great grand parents lie to y'all. Well yes, yes they did. Your Ancestors are liars, they lie to look good and build the esteem of your race.
@vibrantkitty1 The DNA was extracted from the remains of King Tut. He is unambiguously of European lineage. And take a look at the well-preserved mummy of Ramesses II, the greatest of the pharaohs. If you had no emotional stake in the game and had to wager big money, you'd call him white over black. So would everyone. But my question is, why do blacks insist that there's a grand white conspiracy to deny black history? Whites don't display the need to deny the history of other non-whites.
@takfam07 LooooL, King tut was European? British? Irish? Greek? You see King tut head? that is the signature head shape of an African. You see that hump at the back of his head sweetheart..Yeah that is all African baby, isn't that why one of your so-called scientist said Africans had small brains? Now you want to claim small brain because it is connect to greatness? White not only deny black history but y'all do your damnest to cast us in a bad light-
As long as the Afrikan desc continues to allow the ghost to define our people.. people will continue to use the N word caucasoid negroid etc It is time to get ye up out of the euros vagina and take back mama Afrika Everyone wants our mother but us??? Duh!!
kashaherum 2 weeks ago
But were the Eyptians African or Semitics? Why is Tutankhamun's nose so thin and the tone of Egyptians in paintings (the ruling class) lighter skinned? This video is inspired by Black Supremacism - Not reality.
RayL1983 1 month ago
@RayL1983 Narmer Menes, Khufu, Menkaure, Mentuhotep II, Djoser, just to name a few were all ancient Egyptian pharaohs. All these people statues have african features. Also, last I checked they were all ruling class.
C1FreeSpirit 3 weeks ago
@RayL1983 the negroes of america and west indians are shemitics and the africans are hamites
tjblyden 2 weeks ago
@european1001 African Americans cannot tell you we're they came from....and what is your point? Our roots are in Africa. The cat has been out of the bag for awhile now. We all know western spun history to raise themselves up and diminish Africans. Do you deny the very first Pharaoh King Menes was Black African and started the first dynasty?
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@ThePerniciousTruth you are a racist who has been taking the blue pill too long. Cheikh Anta Diop shut western scholarship done and showed how they skewed their data to support their posits. In short they claimed some communities of Africans as white e.g. the Kushites et. al who are absolutely African.
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@european1001 Wrong! Actually the motivation comes from racists like you denying true black/African history...the first Dynasty started with Menes who was black African and reunited upper and lower Egypt (the northern region of the Sudan/Ethiopian empire).
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
Teach grand master!
TimrodRa 2 months ago
@european1001 The middle east use to be North East Africa before 1902 and was ruled by Africans. I have a video of a south Asian giving the historical geographical origins of Northeast Africa the land y'all ignorantly call the middle east. Also Ham is the father of the Egyptians is Yah aka Jesus fled into Egypt to blend in he had to have been black. Ham (Khawm) in Hebrew means BLACK, HOT AND BURNT. So yeah the Egyptians was black.
90rashad 2 months ago
@ThePerniciousTruth DNA testing is something that whites use for their own purpose.
90rashad 2 months ago
@ThePerniciousTruth So let me ask you this. Are you goin to believe DNA or 3000 years old artifacts, hieroglyph, culture, statues, etc ? Are you going to believe eurocentric testing who believe King Tuts is 98.6% western european. The egyptians depitched everybody in the known world Jews, Arab, Nubians, Libyians, and Greeks the way they are today but not their selfs. The ancient egyptians are BLACK.
CerromeX 2 months ago
@european1001
oh wow, I didn't realize you responded...actually Taharqua retained his rule at Thebes until his death there.....you said nothing that conflicts with my statement, I talked about his defeat of the Assyrians in the defense of the Hebrews. But lets get down to the facts, check the question I asked you earlier. And if you ever manage to dig up the source of that "large scale DNA analyses" please post that also.
ValarioVasquez 3 months ago
@european1001
What is your ethnic background ? what European country do you come from ?
ValarioVasquez 3 months ago
@european1001 dude you are a joke...i answered this question. who and what are the Egyptians. there is no Egyptian race and the 90M people you are referring to took thousands of years to get that way as they immigrated from the middle east. you make seem as though they originated in Africa. The anthropology has already shown the Egyptian people are of mixed blood and roots are black African in black Africa.
scorpianbliz 3 months ago
@european1001 ...6. Over time the invaders, immigrants because that is what they are took over Egypt and made it an Arab state in the end, which is why it is called an Arab Republic today, so why would the Arabs who call themselves Egyptian recognize the Africans whom they conquered. The Arabs, Asians, Europeans who now occupy are no more authentically Egyptian/African than than the Dutch in South Africa are authentically south African now or 3000 years from now.
scorpianbliz 3 months ago
@european1001 ...started calling themselves Egyptian. 3. if you accept 1 you have to accept 2. 4. Going back to 1 if these people are mixed how did they get that way, as Egypt is in Africa the original people had to be black African as recent findings show Africans as first humans. 5. Over thousands of years of invasions by Asians and Europeans the physical character of Egypt and northern African changed. 6....
scorpianbliz 3 months ago
@european1001 Actually, I have asked an Egyptian about this, he owns the garage where i park my car and he believes Egyptian roots are African. Answer me this...as i am going to start somewhere in the middle and you tell me where you disagree...1. isnt it true that the Ancient Eyptians were of a mixed race, black African, Asian (Arab), Euopean (White). 2. As this mixed race was neither completed accepted by the Asians, Whites or Africans they decided to be a community unto themselves and
scorpianbliz 3 months ago
@european1001 Also according to Williams in his book the destruction of black civilization, Diodorus affirms Thebans were first humans and originated philosophy, astrology. Williams also states Black "Ethiopia as the principle learning center as even debatable".
scorpianbliz 3 months ago
@european1001 had the most advanced civilizations? not limited to the invention of writing, math, medicine (Imotep), architecture etc. The lights and plumbing was data i came across years ago. i will find it and post it here. Also according to Williams, Greek historian/philosopher Herodotus completed his education in Egypt as did many Asians and Europeans in Ancient times.
scorpianbliz 3 months ago
@european1001 Getting back to your idiot comment, if there was any evidence that life started in Europe i doubt we would be having this discussion and begs the question who the real idiot might be??? Especially after you point out that some African cities are without electricity. Based on this assumption...man did not have lights until Edison, see how silly the logic is. Anyway my point is if civilization started in Africa it is only logical based on the previously mentioned timeline they...
scorpianbliz 3 months ago
@european1001 So, if civilization began in African this timeline by Chancellor Williams is completely logical...Nowe aka its Greek name Thebes prehistory, Memphis 3100 BC after Menes reunited Lower/Upper Egypt, which was actually Chem, which was part of a larger African empire and later came to be known as Egypt. Athens a village 1200 BC, city BC 360, Rome village 1000 BC, town 250 BC. Based on this is it logical that Greece or Rome could culturally impact an already established culture? NOT!
scorpianbliz 3 months ago
@european1001 sorry why is that? its racial politics. Its for the same reason in the U.S. you are considered black no matter how white your appearance if you have a drop of black blood, while in northern Africa, its just the opposite. 3rd...regarding some idiots comment, again it is widely accepted the very first humans on earth were African, thus the cradle of civilization began in Africa and this according to more recent findings than Diops.
scorpianbliz 3 months ago
@european1001 2nd Diop's research "cretinous"?!? - how is that? when he clearly showed how western scholarship skewed their data to support their theories, which is obviously racially and politically motivated, how else could you explain their actions, e.g. broadening the the definition of what is European to include dark skinned Africans of mixed race, while narrowly defining what is African. This is done in a "cretinious" attempt to whiten/europeanise Ancient Egyptians - is that.
scorpianbliz 3 months ago
@european1001 Nice to hear from you really enjoying the debate, although as previously stated African historians have already settled the debate regarding who the Ancient Egyptians were, e.g. Diop, John Henrik Clark and Chancellor Williams et al. Looks like i am going to be hear awhile, starting with the above reply...first I find it interesting you do not mention Diop was educated in EUROPE as well & miss leading if "I" did not know better....
scorpianbliz 3 months ago
@european1001
still waiting on the source of the "large scale DNA analyses".....and actually Taharqua kicked the shit out of the Assyrians and actually saved Jerusalem and the Hebrews which is why he was mentioned in the Bible twice....his kingdom stretched all the way to Spain, he was arguably the most powerful Pharaoh in Egypt's history.
ValarioVasquez 4 months ago
@european1001
please, post the source of this "large scale DNA analyses", I would like to check it out.... it's amazing to me that Ancient Egyptians existed for thousand of years bordering Nubia and they didn't have ANY "sub-Saharan" African blood. Especially considering that Nubia ruled Egypt for a time, and had a whole line of King's that National Geographic dubbed "the BLACK Pharaohs" in a 2008 issue. But google "Menes" Egypt's first Pharaoh....what race does he resemble in your opinion ?
ValarioVasquez 4 months ago
valariovasueaz and @european Cheikh Anta Diop research has ALREADY SCIENTIFICALLY proven this and settled this argument. No evidence has been brought forth to show otherwise...it's a shame we still debate the obvious because some cannot accept the truth. I challenge you cite any scientific evidence.
scorpianbliz 4 months ago
@valariovasuez and @european1001- to cut the chase and say Arabs were the first Eyptians is like saying the Dutch who now live in South Africa are the really African. It's not complicated - western scholarship knows the real history and their standing in the world will be deminished by telling the truth.Ask yourself why does African history always began with story of Arab, Greek and then Roman history. Africans had citis that had lights, sewage system etc. 4000 thousand years before the former
scorpianbliz 4 months ago
@valariovasquez and @european1001 - you are either not listening or ignoring the facts. It is generally accepted that the Africa is the "cradle of civilization" meaning that Africans were the very first humans on earth and that all human can be traced back to these orginal people. Therefore logically, it only makes since that the very first civilization on earth was in Africa. Originally Egypt was apart of the Ethiopian/Sudan empire an African empire ...
scorpianbliz 4 months ago
@scorpianbliz exactly
Kingmajah 4 months ago
@scorpianbliz
how am I ignoring the facts ?....I agree with Dr. Diop's analysis....what did I say that made you think otherwise ?...wtf ?
ValarioVasquez 4 months ago
@scorpianbliz Our human ancestry traces back to Africa, but civilization started in the Near East. Anatomically modern humans were around LONG BEFORE "civilization" began. For the first 90+% of modern humankind, we were bands of hunter gatherers. Settled agriculture doesn't show up until around 10,000 years ago. Writing and the wheel, 6,000 years ago. Egypt civilization developed as part of the Mediterranean Fertile Crescent. But indigenous Egyptians weren't Negroid--they were Caucasoid.
takfam07 2 months ago
@takfam07 First of to say that the indigenous Egyptians were Caucasoid is a contradiction when the only indigenous people from the beginning were black Africans. 2nd of it is generally accepted that Africa was the cradle of civilization although reluctantly so, by some white western scholarship because it blows up the myth regarding white superiority vs black inferiority.
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@scorpianbliz No, Negroid sub-Saharans developed AFTER modern humans left Kenya to populate the globe 100,000 years ago. Most of us--including Near Eastern peoples, Egyptians, Asians, Europeans, Australoids--are genetically more closely related to one another, than any of us is to sub-Saharan blacks. That''s partly because of our Neandertal infusion, which blacks don't have. But mostly because people who stayed in sub-Saharan Africa got separated during the Sahara expansion and BECAME Negroids.
takfam07 2 months ago
@takfam07 and @ValarioVasquez - So, 07, i am not sure i follow, are you saying that the first Africans were non-black and that Causcaoids are indigenous Africans based on all your comments? Also, negroid sub Saharan is a construct of white western scholarship in an attempt to say the only true Negroids are sub-Saharan while the Negriods above are are not - Diop again. please define what is Caucasoid, because this changes based on the white man' politics. Vasquez feel free to comment.
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@takfam07 What!?! What is your definition of negroid? or are Kenyans the dark skin caucasians?
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@scorpianbliz The Kenyans I know are Negroid--clearly. And I knew quite a few of them--the smartest Kenyans around. For starters, I knew Barry Obama in high school (he was two years ahead of me at Punahou)--his dad's 1/2 Luo. I knew several Kenyans at Harvard. They were genius-level, which is why Harvard recruited them. But Kenyan blacks had nothing to do with ancient Egypt and building the pyramids. And they know it, too. They're embarrassed by Afrocentric delusions of grandeur.
takfam07 2 months ago
@takfam07 but so therefore CLEARLY this is a substantial hole in your argument and your statement misleading - as man was clearly negroid from the beginning and did not develop later. Also isn't Kenya in the Sub-Sahara? I also have met many africans from co-workers and professors and they are well aware of scientific racism used against all black people. Scientific racism which you deny, but anyone can google and scores of data about the subject.
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@scorpianbliz OK, but this isn't about "scientific racism." It's about keeping historical integrity. And Afrocentrism's clear purpose is historical revision. Afrocentrics believe that blacks' history was "whitewashed and stolen," rather than accepting the probability that blacks just didn't have an extensive or influential history up until now. Besides, you didn't answer my question below. Please watch the following:
watch?v=vkp8_Dj1TzA ("Afrocentrics Exposed..."). Your thoughts?
takfam07 2 months ago
@takfam07 "isnt about scientific racism"!! due you realize it is because of scientific racism we are having this discussion, so what "integrity" are you talking about? to digress, the ancients did not think in terms of race as there was no racial hierarchy, race was a construct that came later for socio political reasons to justify chattel slavery of africans, based on some of the things i read and based on my observations this posit makes sense.
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@takfam07 btw i commented on the video...if you recall i said the publisher of the video cherry picked images which is silly really because anyone can look up the images showing the black and brown images of the royal families, also Tut's authentic image not the constructed ones of the last decade, are far from caucasian is closer to the the African americans look today.
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@takfam07 never claimed Kenyans built the pyramids - pyramid building is a part of Sudanese culture. I am also aware that white scholarship saying pyramids in the Sudan is due to Egyptian influence when in fact it is the opposite as when the Arabs finally destroyed Napata or Meroe in the heart of the Land of the blacks the pyramids farther north had already been existence for 2K yrs or more.
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@takfam07 Again define Caucasiod. To start from the beginning, the country that is Egypt today was originally a part of the all black African Sudanese empire. Over several thousand years of invasions & race mixing a displaced mixed race was created, that was not completely accepted by Asians, whites or blacks and decided to call themselves Egyptians. However, this happened after the all black African king Menes reunited the northern region of the Sudan and started the first dynasty...
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@scorpianbliz Sorry, but ancient Egypt was never "part of an all-black Sudanese Empire." This is PURE Afrocentric fiction. All DNA tests and archaeological evidence confirm that Egyptians belong to Caucasoid races of the Mediterranean. Go to Egyptand see for yourself. They aren't Negroes. And their ancestors, the ancient Egyptians, also separated themselves from black Africans. Proof? Watch the following YT video:
watch?v=vkp8_Dj1TzA
(Title: "Afrocentrics exposed yet again")
takfam07 2 months ago
@takfam07 1) the video of out of context cherry picked images shows what a joke you are while this video speaks the truth v=WJzVX_OHnOE&feature=related. 2) what are the names of the Caucasians (btw you never did define this and contintue to ignor this question) peoples indigenous to Africa. 3) Is it true the first dysnasty was started by Menes/Namer who was Black African
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@takfam07 Specifically what archaeology evidence and DNA testing proved the Egyptians were white. Becasue again findings by Diop, S.O.Y Keita, Frank Yurco and Charles Bonnet all support Diop who started this discussion. Are you saying all these scientists are wrong. cite your sources please....
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@takfam07 Again what Caucasians are indigenous to Africa.
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@scorpianbliz North African Berbers and Egyptians are good examples of indigenous Caucasians in Africa. DNA evidence shows that Caucasoid peoples re-entered North Africa from the Near East c. 25-30,000 years ago. Egypt started around 3,000 BC. So whites were long established in North and Northeast Africa by the time Egypt got going. Google "North Africa map"--Egypt is NOT part of sub-Saharan Africa. It is part of the Mediterranean/Eurasian Fertile Crescent. Egyptians are not Negroid.
takfam07 2 months ago
@takfam07 No not true Diop again...According to the 1974 UNESCO Symposium report all scholars who held the view that the Ancient Egyptians were caucasiod or asian changed their position to the the strong evidence Diop presented is this not true?
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@takfam07 wrong and delusional! Egypt not a part of Africa? 1)berbers, moors etc are the direct result of race mixing with the Arab and Caucasian conquerors over several thousand years, which is why Arabs in Egypt are Egyptian in name only and dropped the facade as Egypt is now an Arab Republic to be clear these are just as indigenous as the dutch in South Africa. Which scholarship that has not been debunked by Diop, Egyptologist Frank Yurco, arch. C. Bonnet, B. Trigger
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@scorpianbliz "Around 39,000–52,000 years ago, the western Asian branch spread radially, bringing Caucasians to North Africa." Maca-Meyer, et al. 2001 (Molak: 2008 )
takfam07 2 months ago
@takfam07 Was Menes the Black African!!!
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@scorpianbliz Menes was a quasi-fictional character, possibly a collection of several early-Egyptian pharaonic figures. Whoever he was, he was NOT black African. Because the Egyptians were not blacks. No offense, but if Egyptians were Negroid, then Egypt would never have arisen. Look at the deeply primitive state of the rest of Africa. If blacks were capable of building Egypt, then civilization should also have developed elsewhere in Africa. Egyptians were Near East Caucasoids.
takfam07 2 months ago
@takfam07 I love it!! you unintentionally prove my point for me...you are mad on many levels, racist & therefore ignorant - lets see how ridiculous these statements are point by point 1) first and most importantly black achievement - we have penetrated every elite postion known to become astronauts, doctors, lawyers etc not to mention leader of the "free" world President of the U.S.
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@scorpianbliz just wanted to add blacks have acheived and ascended despite attempts by racisim to block it, which again is an empirical verifiable fact ala 400 years of slavery, jim crowe, the civil rights movement - conspiracies targeting blacks as per author Black' Slavery by another name, as per COINTELPRO
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@scorpianbliz Blacks "penetrated every elite position" because of white-guilt manufactured representation. Following slavery, blacks totally lacked the skills to handle freedom. But instead of focusing on cultural and personal development, blacks clamored for "equal rights" instead--and stayed ignorant. Illiterate blacks wanted to wear top hats, tails and hold office! LOL *smh* blacks never change. Attracted by glitter, not substance. This is why they remain on the socioeconomic bottom.
takfam07 2 months ago
@takfam07 based on the evidence i presented i can understand the guilt, slavery and american apartied afterwards which leads into my next point because you either distort or ignore history, because after slavery blacks were still oppressed how is that equal silly man, hence the civil rights movement - Obama is POTUS because of white guilt do you see how ridiculous that is?
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@takfam07 "blacks totally lacked the skills to handle freedom" again i will provide evidence of the ridiculousness of your statement cuz clearly you are ignorant. Research the Historical Sociey's of NYC exihibit on slavery in New York. You will learn that African slaves acted as a de facto middle class as they were the labor class and worked as barbers, blacksmiths, carpenters, farmers, acted taxis, owned land etc. pervasive ongoing racism is what they were not prepared for...
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@scorpianbliz ...in fact the exhibit about slaves in new york shows how the laws created to oppress slaves during the british occupation are the same laws used to control blacks today as per a professor i had who was a for Assistant Districk Attorney. Notice how i provide examples and verifiable evidence, eg Bruce Trigger, UNESCO 1974 Cairo report, New York Historical Society and statements not based on obvious racism which shows your ignorance!!!
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@scorpianbliz No, Booker T. clearly outlined that blacks SHOULD HAVE owned the labor market, because they were the bulk of skilled craftsmen and laborers during slavery. But Booker, a newly-freed slave himself, saw that blacks did not put their energies into optimizing their situation as new free people. Blacks had no plan, didn't know how to handle freedom, how to be thrifty, how to work hard as its own reward, how to raise capital, how to invest. And they'e never embraced these as a race.
takfam07 2 months ago
@takfam07 Again i say no to you...you go from one extreme to the other...out of one corner of your mouth you say blacks/Africans are in capable of high achievement then i prove YOU wrong with self evident examples not excluding the pinnacle of of Black achievement ala a Black POTUS - The fact that blacks have achieved so much today despite numerous attempts to block their ascendency speaks volumes to their genius & resiliency...now very dubiously YOU say Booker T says we should have cornered...
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@takfam07 ...labor force/working class after 300+ slavery that outlawed the education of slaves-YOUR statement lacks common sense. You and Booker T are entitled to your opinions, however i c your Booker T and raise you with intellectual giant W.E.B DuBois who early on supported Booker T, but later realized more radical thinking was necessary. OH btw thanks for pointing out another high black achiever, even if i don't agree completely with his views as yet again you unintentionally prove my pt.
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@scorpianbliz DuBois grew up a free black in Western Massachusetts, went to Harvard, wore a top hat, tails, white gloves and walking cane, and used words like "yonder," "hark," and "whence" in conversation. He was ensconced in the liberal North. Booker T. was from the South, grew up among black slaves and white masters. Who do you think knew blacks better? Who do you think knew racist whites better? DuBois foregrounded "equal rights" while downplaying black dysfunctionality--TRAGIC mistake.
takfam07 2 months ago
@takfam07 No again a ridiculous posit...based on your statement - slave owners vs non-slave owners were in a better position to understand the human condition of slavery. quick comment on the dysfunctionality of blacks - of course this is the case - Dr. Joy Degruy did a study and empirically proved just as veterans of war suffer post traumatic stress syndrome blacks today suffer from the same symptoms - for those interested look her up post traumatic slave syndrome.
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@takfam07 to be put in its proper context let me answer this question before it is asked. in the beginning army doctors tried to deny, ignore pstd until the evidence of it could not be ignored, the same happened to Dr. Degruy white scholars were slow in the reception of her ideas but in the end she proved her case.
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@scorpianbliz Today's black Americans do not suffer "post-traumatic stress disorder." Very few blacks today experienced any of the direct racism their forefathers endured. No, today's blacks were brought up in a severely and tragically dysfunctional culture, one that was formed during and within the slave experience. Traits that might have been helpful in preserving dignity during slavery, are unfortunately the exact OPPOSITE values needed to function well in the context of freedom.
takfam07 2 months ago
@takfam07 sorry wrong again ptss for blacks is real as blacks still suffer from direct racism of which i have given evidence previously and will provide again. Black's book "Slavery by another name" and the New York Historical society both mention the laws "created" to control the black population, laws which still exist and are still being used today. Besides name one instance where a unarmed white man was shot at 40+ plus times by police whereas Amadou Diallo, Sean Bell were wrongfully ...
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@scorpianbliz Blacks don't experience "racism" today. What they face is an artificial front put up by non-blacks to placate blacks and their demands. The Civil Rights industry did a good job of making the charge of "racism" toward blacks a career-ending proposition for non-blacks. This plays upon "white guilt" and the notion that white success cannot be considered "earned" if it came at the expense of blacks. AND the notion that black failure is solely the result of racism. (cont).
takfam07 2 months ago
@takfam07 so as we close 2011 ALL black achievement is due to white guilt and there is zero racism?
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@takfam07 what research exists that supports this view? specifically the artifical front aspect.
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@takfam07 I have to comment further...you are either naive or based on your tone ignorantly racist - again name one unarmed white man shot at and killed as Amadou Diallo? name one! Again specifically what is this artificial front you speak of?
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@scorpianbliz (cont). This is why we live in this strained-and-phony race dynamic. Blacks are coddled and treated with kid gloves in the middle class arena--lowered school admissions standards, hiring quotas, etc. However, the black underclass is in a perpetual "cops and robbers" game with white law enforcement--primarily because of black criminality, a cultural trait further exacerbated by the black sense of entitlement--i.e., "we can do no wrong, because white racism made us this way."
takfam07 2 months ago
@takfam07 so to be clear are you saying whites have nothing to do black criminality?
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@takfam07 oh one more question would you say the judicial system treats white and black criminals the same?
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@scorpianbliz If the judicial system treats blacks and whites unequally, it isn't because of hatred of the color "black." It's because blacks are 7x more likely to murder and 8x more likely to rob than whites. Blacks have a deep criminal propensity, including violent crime, as reflected in the per capita statistics by race. I don't think the propensity is genetic, although it's tempting to draw that conclusion (i.e., black=violent, evil, etc.), No--it's due to cultural underdevelopment.
takfam07 2 months ago
@takfam07 Therefore the judicial system is and has always been free of racism? why is it tempting to for you to say black crime is genetic?
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@scorpianbliz It's tempting to say black crime is genetic, because of the black propensity for crime. Look at the crime statistics in black Africa, in Haiti, in black communities in the US. Everyone KNOWS blacks commit more crime--that's why the stereotypes persist. If it weren't true, the stereotype wouldn't be there. This is why the judicial system might seem skewed against blacks--because more blacks are in it per capita than any other race. Black culture doesn't seem to forbid crime.
takfam07 2 months ago
@scorpianbliz this @takfam07 is a serial racist ,,funny thing this guy is asian ..a japanese white supremacy sympathiser,,he contructs $100 dollar words supported by white supremacy philosophy to sound aunthentic.You will be able to immediately notice how he will move away from subject debate and start to insult you with stats on black crime rates,welfare.etc,this is a tool he uses when he gets owned,you most certainly did that,,he travels around youtube..stalking black users
cont
jayelldude 1 week ago
@takfam07 and i supose whites are less violent?
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@takfam07 you statement ignores history which is saturated with racism of which i have already gave evidence do you deny jim crow, lynchings, segregation etc...i done your argument is so ridiculous
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@scorpianbliz if you want a record of his stalking adventures..just simply google his user name..than follow the youtube video titles back on this site and you will find all of his battles with us,,,or join me on the booker t washington video...the atlanta conpromise address 1904,,you will find takfam07 excercising his daily obsession,,stalking black people...I noticed in one commentary he was saying blacks are 7x to 8x to commit violent crimes than whites..he repeats his bigotry
jayelldude 1 week ago
@takfam07 ...murdered by police. Rodney King, COINTELPRO and the murder of Fred Hampton was racially motivated etc. if i had the energy i could pull evidence that most objective people would readily recognize from Joy's book regarding ptss which explains a lot regarding actions and behaviors of blacks and at last we may finally agree on something - black dysfunction is rooted in how american slavery was conducted, but have to add actions many, but not all whites contributed afterwards.
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@scorpianbliz No non-black feels sorry for Rodney King, or sees him as anything more than a criminal who deserved his beating. However, blacks see him as a kind of political hero. Which is thoroughly stupid--blacks should toss trash like him out of their orbit. Too many blacks want to live outside the law and get away with it. And that's because they cannot succeed within society--they lack the skills. And they lack skills because their culture is dysfunctional. A vicious cycle, you see.
takfam07 2 months ago
@scorpianbliz Every black should be required to read Booker T.'s autobio "Up From Slavery." Booker said that sure, white racism existed--but the BIGGER problem was black cultural dysfunctionality. Blacks did not know how to take care of themselves, to build their culture, to be honorable so that no one could deny them their rights. DuBois said: "fuck that, Uncle Tom. Give us our rights and sheeit!" Too bad. Booker's method would've worked--it sure worked for Asian Americans.
takfam07 2 months ago
@takfam07 your responses are a joke, 1) white racism "existed" does that mean it no longer to exists? 2) I totally agree to a large degree blacks are dysfunctional and the root causes? please tell us why this is the situation? SMILE - i can't wait to see what you have to say....
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@takfam07 2) Menes - what is quasi-fictianal? not only can his black African image be googled he is credited with starting the Egyptian Pharaonic dynasties a documented fact NOT fiction. Your reluctant to admit this because it proves the original Egyptians were in fact black.
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@takfam07 finally 3) Finally there is more than enough literature contrary to the view that Caucasians were indigenous to Africa, but actually the conquering invaders ala current today Egypt as the perfect example of my posit. Current day Egyptians are Egyptian by default and are actually imigrant occupants. All data contrary to this is racist spin which has been proven. Perfect exampe is Peopling of Egypt written by UNESCO members. This report documents the debate.....
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@takfam07 ....regarding the race of the Ancient Egyptians and shows how although reluctantly the members positing that if the Ancients were not caucasian there was caucasian influence, Diop and Obenga provided empirical, empirical meaning that it could be proven the culture, language and phsyical characteristics of that the Ancients is all black African. my arguments are not really for you because your ignorance is self evident but for those "open" minded individuals paying attention.
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@scorpianbliz No, the problem is that you're steeped in Afrocentric revisionist history. And that is one of the many tragic characteristics of the Negroid race today. If Diop, Obenga, and the rest were credible, they would be taught at accredited universities. But a "black Egypt" does not stand up to DNA and historical evidence. Look at the art and mummies. And modern Egyptians are directly descended from the ancients. It's shamefully ignorant for Bantus to try to steal their birthright.
takfam07 2 months ago
@takfam07 No incorrect, Diops findings have been confirmed - white scholarship chooses to ignore the data because as the dominate culture they can...for now. Those in power decide what is taught simple as that and i already given extensive evidence of white scientic and institutional racism which can be verified and that is the real reason why it is not being taught. In short it shatters the myth of black inferiority.Do you deny the history of institutional and scientic racism.
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@scorpianbliz "The anthropological study and the microscopic analysis of hair, carried out by four laboratories: Judiciary Medecine (Professor Ceccaldi), Société L'Oréal, Atomic Energy Commission, and Institut Textile de France showed that Ramses II was a 'leucoderm', that is a fair-skinned man, near to the Prehistoric and Antiquity Mediterraneans, or briefly, of the Berber of Africa." [Balout, et al. (1985) 383.]
takfam07 2 months ago
@takfam07 scientic racism is an empirical fact & verifiable there are many documented examples, for instance scholars such as Bruce Trigger condemned the often shaky scholarship on such northeast African peoples being Causaoid. He declared that the peoples of the region were all Africans, and decried the "bizarre and dangerous myths" of previously biased scholarship, "marred by a confusion of race, language, and culture and by an accompanying racism."
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@takfam07 and the melinin dosage test showed they had black skin.
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@scorpianbliz Everyone has long accepted that ancient Egypt was generally Eurasian (i.e., more Caucasoid). But since you INSIST they were black--can you PLEASE EXPLAIN the following?: 1) pictures of brown-skinned Egyptians with European facial symmetry, battling and enslaving black Nubians with Negroid facial symmetry; 2) DNA evidence pointing to Europe; 3) the pharaonic mummies with blonde flowing hair & white facial features; and 4) their direct descendants, modern Egyptians, ARE NOT BLACK.
takfam07 2 months ago
@takfam07 1) no everyone has not Bruce Trigger called white folks on their ridiculous theories 1) silly man when you follow the chronology images of the earliest royal families are black in color and lighten over time which supports my argument and Menes' image is unquestionably black and brown did not equal caucasian until caucasians discovered Ancient Egypt and realized this civilization shattered all their racist myths. 2) what DNA results are you referring to...
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@scorpianbliz @takfam07 is an asian racist that targets black ppl on youtube.He is a white supremacist supporter who claims he wants to help blacks.yet he blames the victim instead of the criminal.He is infamous for his overstatement that blacks are culturally underdeveloped.he will patronize you with your own history .and tries to sanction it with his slip of "by the way i went to harvard".What he means to say is I am smarter than you..you were right if you thought he was a bigot
jayelldude 1 week ago
@jayelldude i tried to give him the benefit of doubt, but it soon became obvious that @takfam07, @phoencian7 et. al. have an agenda. the problem i have is the subtle and not so subtle racist comments they make that are outrageous and how they cherry pick their data, while not acknowledging the contradictory data that makes for a balanced debate, e.g. iconography that shows white slaves and not just the nubian ones. In one of the eurocentric vids their is a throne that shows...
scorpianbliz 1 week ago
@scorpianbliz nubians and whites bound to the legs of the same throne but the author focuses on the black slaves. another example strong piece of evidence is one of the bas-reliefs of Seti I which shows the known races to the AEs with Horus in the lead followed by an Egyptian, Nubian, Asian, white man. Champollion said this shows the order from the most civilized to the least civilized with the white man bringing up the rear, making an white egypt that much less likely.
scorpianbliz 1 week ago
@scorpianbliz @phonecian is absulutely a whitesupremacist,but @takfam07 is a serial stalker of black folks. He is obsessed with patronizing blacks on youtube. This goes far beyond this video that you commented on.He shows up on any black video and goes into a racist rant. Debating with him is like a dog chasing his tale. He repeats the same rhetoric to all that he clashes with. As I told you ..google him and most will lead you to a youtube video,,
jayelldude 1 week ago
@scorpianbliz , On the glyph you are referring to, depending on the time period that scene was created, it is very possible the Hyksos could have been on the throne. I`m not sure which scene you are referring to but I know there`s a scene of the Hyksos holding some brothers captive and some say it`s the Egyptians they have captive.
saddat1965 2 days ago
@takfam07 ...as Tut's DNA has not been released and as we were speaking of images when looking at the authentic art of Tut in what country would he considered caucasian, i doubt very seriously any western country would claim him as caucasian and plenty of black people look like him today. 3) blond really!?! if true obviously of mixed heritage unless blond africans are indigenous too...4) currently Egypt is a "Arab" Republic self explainatory...Next!
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@takfam07 any research done regarding the 1974 UNESCO Symposium shows that Diop who said the Ancient Egyptians were black African had a much stronger case versus the other scholars who held the position of being caucasoid. this is a verifiable fact period. 3) what was the race of Namer Menes who started the Pharoahnic dynasties? Was he not Black African?
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@scorpianbliz All you have to do is watch the following short video to be reminded that a) the Egyptian pharaohs were Caucasian; and b) the hair and skin preservation of Egyptian (white) vs. Nubian (black) mummies still makes their racial background evident today. You can tell the difference clearly:
watch?v=ReCxCL64p9k
(Title: "Egyptian mummies- not for children").
takfam07 2 months ago
@takfam07 First of the terms Egyptian/Ethopian were not the names of the country/region that was inhabited by all black people well back in prehistory, Ethiopian from the Greeks which means literally black faces. 2nd the all black populace were defending it back in prehistory from Arabs since prehistory and the Arabs won - to the victors go the spoils including "His" story which is Arab/eurocentric and why the region is predominately Arab speaking today
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@takfam07 3) when you look up the history of neighboring Sudan it becomes evident when you piece together its history where th first pyramids were built, additionally the Menes united the two lands upper and lower Egypt, because it was originally part of the southern empire, which is why white scholars avoid admitting the true meaning of two lands, one claim is because the nile starts in the highlands of Africa another ....
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@takfam07 Another says they divided over religion. No! according to Chancellor it is because Arab invaders pushed the blacks southward to a point and no more and while on the subject they wanted the southern heart of Egypt the Sudan for the centuries and their bitterness in Sudan now, but my point is Alexander the Great thought about until he saw the might of Queen Candaces army.
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@takfam07 @european1001 according to Joel Freeman a PH.D blacks were the first to dominate the earth and educated asians and whites in medicine, science etc. google Mr. Freeman and if you can tell me were i can go to get verifiable evidence that refutes him.
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@scorpianbliz The fact that serious Egyptologists write Freeman off as a pseudoscientific fraud, and that his "theories" are never taught at accredited universities, should tell you something. Also, please--blacks didn't educate whites and Asians in science and medicine. Blacks still conspicuously fail in those disciplines today! Blacks still struggle with modernity--as evidenced by the squalid disease, poverty and violence of every large black population on earth. No offense, just truth.
takfam07 2 months ago
@takfam07 Oh please! interesting how your tone changed...also interesting how you ignore specific question like 1 )who were these indigenous African Caucasians, cause you know they don't exist, 2) was the 1st Pharoah Menes black African 3) what are the names of these scientists that conduct DNA research that show that the Egyptians to be caucasian. Also, is Egyptologist Frank Yurco wrong too?
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@takfam07 you make a lot statements with verifiable evidence, blacks still struggle today due to the roll of 400 years of slavery, institutional racism after emancipation, consider "Slavery by Another Name" by Black, Jim Crowe, lynchings etc. why else would the Civil Rights movement have been necessary. All verifiable racisim in an attempt to slow the ascendency of blacks.
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@takfam07 struggle with modennity, how absurd, when there are CEOs of multi-million dollar companies, The BE 100s, Fortune 500 companies, doctors, lawyers name one area Blacks have not penetrated? that is how absurd your statement is.
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@takfam07 regarding the below to be clear the first Egyptian dynasty was an all black ruling class, the Ancient Egyptians had a majority black population that changed over time in complexion due to invasions and race mixing white scholarship knows this
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@takfam07 @takfam07 again i say this is not true representation of the facts and white scholarship on world history is the fabricated "story" of those who now rule. 1) to be clear mankind's roots are black african as the first humans were black and migrated to people the world as per Gloger's law. 2) white scholarship that posits the Egyptians were caucasian is obvious scientific racism and flawed - for example the same people you say are the caucasian ancestors of the Egyptians...
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@scorpianbliz Just because whites have ruled the world for the past 500 years or so, doesn't mean that history is "fabricated." Whites took over because they employed the scientific paradigm, they had the right kinds of governments in Europe, and a colonizing mindset. They subjugated blacks without much trouble--blacks even aided in the enslavement of their own people. This is all wrong and cruel--but it DOESN'T therefore follow that blacks were anything other than primitive tribal peoples.
takfam07 2 months ago
@takfam07 wrong again according to Chancellor and Joel Freeman Black civilizations were the very first known to man and regarded as THE world power and was so for thousands of years, not much trouble eh? wrong again. Southern Cradle-Egyptian Model vs Northern Cradle-Greek Model explains how whites came to dominate and also show which culture is more primitive.
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@takfam07 would be black by definition in america and only in white scholarship are they made causcasian. Another way you try to have it both ways...is to include masai warriors ethiopians in the so-called causcasian clusters. 3) as stated earlier Egypt before there was an egypt was a part the all black sudanese empire and pyramid building started there.
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@scorpianbliz The way to test your assumption that ancient Egyptians would be defined as "black" in America is to ask: Are MODERN Egyptians considered "black" by Americans today? No--I've been to Egypt twice. Not only are they NOT black African--they take offense at the characterization. And all evidence suggests that modern Egyptians are directly descended from the ancients. In their desperation for a "history," AfroAms commit the egregious crime of trying to steal away Egyptian heritage.
takfam07 2 months ago
@takfam07 Silly man modern egyptians are egyptian by default and therefore not real egyptians but arab conquerors as it is now called an Arab Republic and histroy bears this out and no direct decendents. speaking of heritage more evidence anthropomorphized imgages are african e.g. baboons, crocodiles etc depiction of ostrich feathers in egyptian culture is distinctly african.
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@scorpianbliz For blacks to claim that modern Egyptians are "Egyptians by default," when modern Egyptians believe they are directly descended from the ancient Egyptians--that's a VERY serious claim. You are essentially telling 80 million people that they aren't who they think they are. That somehow, it was YOUR ancestors who were the real Egyptians. That's why Egyptians just laugh at American blacks. Their ancestors' art shows them vanquishing blacks. It's clear to the world.
takfam07 2 months ago
@takfam07 and you say that you did research in Egypt??? again point by point...1)i say Arabs in egypt are egyptian by default because they have been there for centuries and not the original people - a) they speak the language of the Arab invaders b) i've read Dr. Hawass has admitted the egyptians are NOT Arab, but i admit he also denies that they were black, which is telling because he knows there is more evidence of them being black than anything else because i have also read ....
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@takfam07 he does not publish findings independent or otherwise, now why is that? 2) Critical examination history bears this out...a) the region was black african as Greek historians have stated b) the complexion of the region has changed over thousands of years due to settlement by traders and wars from outsiders the of blood of the original people was 100% african and then changed to to become afro-asian/euro-asian who became egyptian and displaced original people who did not...
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
science say there is only one RACE and 3 sub races from those races. Negroid, Mongoloid,and Caucasoid. everything else is a mixture. Arabs are a mix between the 3.
MajesticRootZ 2 months ago
@MajesticRootZ hmm..."Race is a social construct, not a scientific classification," Robert S. Schwartz, M.D. wrote (in "Race Is a Poor Measure," New England Journal of Medicine, Vol. 344, No. 18, May 3, 2001). "Any attempt to establish lines of division among biological populations is both arbitrary and subjective." Perhaps this why the Ancients Africans/Greeks did not think in terms of race but region, my point is racial hierarchy is a man made socio politico cconstruct used...
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@MajesticRootZ ...by one group to control another.
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@MajesticRootZ Total bunk
No such thing as negroid, caucasoid and mongoloid!
It's all just the ancient genetic variety of Africa. Eurasian peoples are just a subset of this diversity!
AskariWaryaa 1 month ago
@AskariWaryaa true but those are the main variety, for all those who believe in science there is only one race the human race which started in Africa.
MajesticRootZ 1 month ago
@takfam07 ...call themselves egyptian. How did this happen, as the invaders started to dominate the north race amalgamation continued creating a phenomenon we are all too familiar with a race or community of mulattoes who were neither all african or all arab etc. mulattoe phenomenon created a new race class neither completed accepted by either side but in the north as today a socially higher class than blacks...my evidence the very same phenomenon occurred in south africa...
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@scorpianbliz "A 2009 DNA study on modern Upper Egyptians using comparisons based on molecular data found no differences between the general Caucasian population from Cairo or Egyptian Christians from Cairo. The Southern Egyptian population is closer to Middle Eastern, North African, South Asian and European populations than sub-Saharans, which is consistent with the historical record, which records general population continuity from the Early Dynastic period up to the modern era." (FSI 3/88)
takfam07 2 months ago
@takfam07 if anything this proves my point modern egyptians are not authenctically egyptian as i have said and your reaching with the historical record comment as any fool can see from the authentic artifacts that the images are black and brown which = Black African.
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@takfam07 as mulattoes have better oppotunities and this is the same today in modern times in any region that had chattel slavery, latin america, america as shown by Dr. L. Gates documentary blacks in laten america. 3) Dr. Hawass proves my case for me depending on your perspective of race - he quoted as saying the Ancients are neither Arab or African why? it is because they were a people of mixed people a combination of afro-asian/afro-european and it is this mixed race that ...
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@takfam07 BECAME to be known as egyptian exclusively over time. this is not new white scholarship has know this for over 200 years. Oh btw a drop of black blood meant you were black until very recently ala the bi-racial phenomenon. Because of the criteria of black bood that whites established, perhaps that is why blacks make the claim. But it is interesting how whites change the blood rules to fit their agenda. black blood in america means black but the very opposite in africa.
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@scorpianbliz Racial historian Arthur Kemp took King Tut's DNA through a Haplogroup Predictor created by retired physicist and professor Whit Athey. The resulting haplogroup came back with a 99.6% match with the R1b haplogroup: "the most common Y-chromosome haplogroup in Europe reaching its highest concentrations in Ireland, Scotland, western England and the European Atlantic seaboard--i.e., European through and through." This DNA evidence would hold up in a paternity suit in a court of law.
takfam07 2 months ago
@takfam07 Arthur Kemp REALLY!?! The overt white separatist who is not a scientist i am sure his study is completely above board. You must really be desperate now!!! to go there...
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
look at the timeline of Egypt, Arabs moved in 600 AD. before them Nubian held Egypt as a state, and Nubian are black African. Everyone knows that Arabs of the ancient world were traders on camels. camels are not native to Africa. Therefore where are the Nubian that held Egypt they were expelled by the Romans.To tell a people they weren't there is easy for example during communism many Russians and Germans fled to U.S,new immigrants. today they act as if they were here during the 1600's.
MajesticRootZ 2 months ago
@MajesticRootZ my apologies and i don't want to assume, but what are you saying with this sentence. "Therefore where are the Nubian that held Egypt they were expelled by the Romans" can you rephrase or elaborate?
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
the Nubian are in Sudan, what i was saying is,"they come they go". And that Arabs from east are not the builders of pyramids.
MajesticRootZ 2 months ago
@takfam07 4) any researched images of the Menes who insitituted pharonic dysnaties shows him to be black african.
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
@european1001
Modern Egyptians are descendants of Arabs. You are correct in asserting that most modern Egyptians are not black. However, there is clear evidence of the African's origin in the great lakes region and his movement up the Nile and the subsequent settlement in Khemet (Egypt)... the relationship of Khemet, Nubia, and Punt is inseparable. Some West Africans are descendants of ancient Egyptians...many Egyptians fled Egypt and settled in West Africa during the Arab invasion.
ValarioVasquez 4 months ago
@pr1ncess214 No worries. Sorry if I come across too harsh or cynical. It takes awhile for people to figure out I'm not actually racist (if they ever get that far). I might come across that way, but my intent is positive. I'd like to see blacks advance and rise, that would be inspiring and deserved on their part. My Socratic method is just meant to challenge, not denigrate!
takfam07 5 months ago
@takfam07
actually you are racist, you just don't know it consciously. Like most people, you apply some sort of cognitive dissonance to your logic in order for you to relieve guilt while maintaining your racist beliefs. Your bias toward African scholarship is evident, and your tone toward African people is condescending "I want to see blacks advance, it's inspriring etc" it's obvious that you are coming from a place of assumed superiority and see your statement as some sort of sign of goodwill
ValarioVasquez 4 months ago
@ValarioVasquez "Cognitive dissonance"? I studied African and AfroAm History at Harvard Graduate School. I traveled to Egypt and sub-Saharan Africa twice with Harvard. I worked closely with many elite, highly-trained African scholars. So I'm very aware of REAL African History. My bias is against Afrocentric fabrication. My African Harvard colleagues dismiss Afrocentrists like Diop and Van Sertima. They consider them an embarrassment. That's why they're not part of any serious curriculum.
takfam07 4 months ago
@takfam
OH PLEASE....colleagues like who ?....Gates ?....LMAO...Gates is a joke and a prominent Eurocentrist...."scholars" like him that tell a bunch of half-truths are the real embarrassment. Why don't you take a stand against Eurocentric fabrication ?....what you call "serious curriculum" is nothing but a majority of Eurocentric fabrication....the problem is when scholars like Dr. Clarke or Dr. Diop come with some TRUTH people reject it because it conflicts with the lies they been told.
ValarioVasquez 4 months ago
@ValarioVasquez Spread the truth.
90rashad 2 months ago
@takfam07 dude you are starting to embarrass yourself....recent studies have supported Dr. Diops posits, such as the very first humans were African and the DNA of the Ancients shows their Black African roots
scorpianbliz 3 months ago
@ValarioVasquez love how you pulled this dudes card.
scorpianbliz 3 months ago
haters
MrMiamiswaggz305 5 months ago
@MrMiamiswaggz305 aren't they terrible???
Kingmajah 5 months ago
@Kingmajah
just because you lie doesn't mean its true
MrMiamiswaggz305 5 months ago
@pr1ncess214 Well, Egyptians themselves must "whitewash" their history. I traveled through Egypt, and mostly what you see depicted in the great Dynastic art are neither blonde Caucasians nor Bantu-looking peoples. They appeared to be a mixed-race people, as most Egyptologists agree. So that takes nothing away from blacks. But blacks want it ALL (which is understandable). I wouldn't mind if Dynastic Egyptians WERE all-black. But they clearly were not. If they were, it would be unambiguous.
takfam07 5 months ago
DNA studies show that ancient Egyptians were not of sub-Saharan Negroid origins. The ancient Pharaohs were predominantly of rb1 haplogroup, which is Caucasian. This makes sense, as Negroids never developed even a fraction of an Egypt-type civilization anywhere else. Much of sub-Saharan Africa hadn't even discovered the wheel or writing until introduced by others in 15th cent. AD. But if blacks can show rapid civilizational progress today, that'll be better than false claims on ancient Egypt.
takfam07 5 months ago
@takfam07 Let it go my dear..all that rb1 haplogroup will not fly anymore. The most important figure to the Europeans has been exposed to have African Ancestry - Cleopatra. Now she is depicted as a Murderer. Typical- because she is not all Greek, or Roman she has been turn into a murder. Before when you guys thought she all European, she was depicted as this beautiful, intelligent and power queen.Egypt is AFRICA and Africans....currently the Arabs occupy the land. we know and you know.
vibrantkitty1 5 months ago
@vibrantkitty1 Cleopatra's known lineage was on her father's side, Macedonian Greek mixed with Persian. Her mother's side is unknown, but "unknown" doesn't automatically mean "black." The marble bust of Cleopatra carved in her lifetime, along with all other depictions, clearly do not indicate a phenotypically Negroid person. Of course, it's understandable why modern blacks want to claim Cleopatra. By all accounts she was brilliant, and of course, famous. But she wasn't black.
takfam07 5 months ago
@takfam07 You are a little too late, the documentary has already been done, Cleopatra has African Ancestry..sorry. Who did the marble bust? One bust for a powerful queen? ODD. You guys are known for writing and doing arts to benefit your kind. For example the pic and statues of Jesus is white, with blue eyes and blonde hair, now y'all that is a LIE. Let me give it to you african style, only a mother can tell you who the real father was, DNA did not exist then. The paternity can be questioned.
vibrantkitty1 5 months ago
@vibrantkitty1 Everyone does writing and arts to benefit their own kind. Blacks didn't develop writing on their own, that is a major historical liability. Also, whites didn't purposely try to omit blacks from history. That's smacks a little of "delusions of grandeur." Let's face it, if Dynastic Egyptians were unequivocally black, that's how we'd know them to be. But they weren't. Nobody wants to steal Ancient Egypt from blacks. It just wasn't black to begin with. Mixed-race at best.
takfam07 5 months ago
@takfam07 really dude?!? delusions of grandeur when the racism is so obvious? you insult the intelligence of the people and are only kidding yourself. HIStory was no accident, did @valariovasquez school on how white scholarship conveniently changed the definition of African to fit their purpose.
scorpianbliz 3 months ago
@takfam07 Who did they do the DNA studies on? Ancient Egyptians, or the current ones who are clearly Arabs? WE can trace the Arabs entry into Africa. why do you guys argue over African history do you see us claiming the Stonehenge or the storming of the Bastille? Or you guys don't want to believe that your grand and great grand parents lie to y'all. Well yes, yes they did. Your Ancestors are liars, they lie to look good and build the esteem of your race.
vibrantkitty1 5 months ago
@vibrantkitty1 The DNA was extracted from the remains of King Tut. He is unambiguously of European lineage. And take a look at the well-preserved mummy of Ramesses II, the greatest of the pharaohs. If you had no emotional stake in the game and had to wager big money, you'd call him white over black. So would everyone. But my question is, why do blacks insist that there's a grand white conspiracy to deny black history? Whites don't display the need to deny the history of other non-whites.
takfam07 5 months ago
@takfam07 LooooL, King tut was European? British? Irish? Greek? You see King tut head? that is the signature head shape of an African. You see that hump at the back of his head sweetheart..Yeah that is all African baby, isn't that why one of your so-called scientist said Africans had small brains? Now you want to claim small brain because it is connect to greatness? White not only deny black history but y'all do your damnest to cast us in a bad light-