And youve Not supplied your scientific evidence either clown.
I dont need science evidence for Babel as I believe and accept the Bible as Truth and that not only bcos of Scientific Anthropological archaeological evidences but more importantly thru the power of God an the HG that teaches the truth of things that cannot be proven(or disprovn for that matter)by science but by Answer to prayer.The rock of Revelation from God
@CounterCultureLives Genesis 11:1 states that there is only one language comprised of few words
This is why yur a Clown.Your sayn after Hundreds of years and millions in pop b4 the flood and thousands from Noah to the Tower the language had Only a "few words"Then you quote the Bible again saying they had many languages at the time of Babel and all in 4 generations and you say Im talkin "bovine excretement"?hahahaha
So Im talkin "crap" bcos I say ther was only ONE language at the time of Babel?
And the Whole Earth was of ONE LANGUAGE, and of ONE SPEECH.
Gen 10:31 Does Not use the word LANGUAGE.It uses the word TONGUE. There ya go changin the words to fit you agenda Ver scientific of you mr Clown.Tongue and LANGUAGE obviously have a different meaning in context LOL
And I only use the KJV as it is the most correct.I do not accept these New wave Modern day language translations.Too bad for you eh!LOL
Ive offered evidence to support my claim from the SAME source you offer.The Bible LOL.
Again wheres your Scientific Evidence?Your scientists dont even agree with Themselves now do they!So much for your science research.It agrees no more with itself than the whole of Christianity agrees with itself.Your all confused and Contradictory.Plain as the nose on ya face!
Your the one lookin like a fool mr counterclown.LOL
@CounterCultureLives you would realize how ignorant and foolish you've made yourself look.
Thats right ya make yaself look foolish CounterClown LOL.Youve changed the word in your ref from tongue to language lol.Wheres ur Scientific evidence for ur claim?Ive asked you for that science and ya nevr provide.How come?Coz ya aint got any havya.You use contradictions in the Bible to PROVE? Your point.LOL.
Science Does Not know how when or where language started.There Is Only Theory Mr Clown LOL
@CounterCultureLives Had you conducted some legitimate research, you would discover that the history of languages are traced back to Africa, about 50,000 years ago. While there is some disagreement amongst linguistics experts, what is abundantly clear is that languages evolved long before the "Tower of Babel" fable supposedly took place.
@CounterCultureLives clear is that languages evolved long before the "Tower of Babel" fable supposedly took place.
Your a clown.Language did not evolve long before Babel.
Traced back to africa?Whered ya read that.Science cant even agree with itself on the origins of language.
As I said.Only 4 generations between Noah and the tower.Any scientist believn language changed significantly in that short time frame is a clown LOL.No science can tell how and where language began or started.Its theory
@jferristube Now that you've had your mindless little cyber-rant, perhaps you might find some time (and a few braincells) to conduct some legitimate research. I've humored your foolishness enough.
@CounterCultureLives to conduct some legitimate research. I've humored your foolishness enough.
Like i keep sayin.Wheres your scientific proof Counter Clown lol?
I dont have any do I and dont claim to hav science proof of the tower anymore than I have proof Jesus raised himself from the dead.
Im calling you on all your scientific research you keep spouting about you having done.You never give scientific proof of anything.Give refs Clown.Wher hav ya researched yur theory from lol Clown
@CounterCultureLives You follow a "prophet" who stared at magic rocks in a white hat, and you call ME a clown??
Mate your starin at somethin.LOL and Youve set yurself up as a prophet seer and revelator claiming to know All Truth. Claiming all this knowledge and scientific evidence that just Does Not exist.Theres No science that can conclusively prove where or when language originated.NONE.Its all theory Matey
LDS is free to rely upon the sciences of anthropology, archaeology, and many other sciences that discredit BoM. The problem is that their so-called "evidences" won't withstand objective review or critical scrutiny by any unbiased exerts.. That's why FARMS, FAIRLDS, The Maxwell Institute, and other offshoots of LDS Shillster, Inc. have no credibility outside the hallowed halls of LDS.
@jferristube So your saying there is evidence that there is DNA from Abraham?
Nope i didnt say that and you know it! Then you try and twist what I say and attempt to make me look "silly" and only make yurself look that way in the end.Typical anti LDS hater.
@jferristube Well, my "scientific mind" struggled, so I got out my trusty magic rocks and white hat. After staring at the magic rocks, heavenly father revealed to me you posted in a language called "Reformed Illiterate". LOL!!
...and your theory that ther wer already many languages at the time of the tower of Babel makes no scientific sense at all.I challenge you to tell me wher you get that information
there were only 4 generations from Noah to Nimrod and the tower of Babel so to say there were already many languages does not make Scientific Linguistic sense Mr Counter.Betta put your head back in yo hat lol Bcos your scientific researchn studies dont add up.Amazing how (your)science can be so screwed up LOL
It seems you dont even accept science unless it fits yur criteria.EG the fact that we all originate from one family from One Place viz the Ark.All the diffrent cultures on the planet originate from that 1 family.Just an observation
I dont need to be a geneticist to know Southertons(who I went to BYU with)discoveries are Not complete or conclusive.For a start. BoM descendants arent descended from the Jews.He says that and knows his statement is outright False.There goes his credibility as someone interested in the truth and plenty enough for your Subjective review
I knew the man personally as a friend and brother and I feel for and pity him.
@onbesnedenberelul Jo Smith would have married her ass too and her sister and her daughter and her mother just to blow or a few loads.
Your mouth and your language is that of the type of person you acuse Joseph of being.Your the lewd acting person full of lies and hypocracy and certainly you are Not Christian so I can understand.It just amazes me how religious zealouts like yourself get so Upset at Joseph and all us LDS.Why worry bout us.Why go about persecuting as you do?
@onbesnedenberelul a HUGE difference between this pedophilic, philandering, lying, fraud Jo Smith and Christ. Christ, or the spiritual leader that he is described to be didn't commit all the lewd acts and fraud Jo did
No Joseph didnt.He was falsely accused just as the Savior and all the ancient prophets apostles and everyday saints were falsely accused.Even today LDS saints and prophets still are being falsely accused.Go Figure.
"...He gave His life to atone for the sins of all mankind. His was a great vicarious gift in behalf of all who would ever live upon the earth.
We solemnly testify that His life, which is central to all human history, neither began in Bethlehem nor concluded on Calvary. He was the Firstborn of the Father, the Only Begotten Son in the flesh, the Redeemer of the world." THE LIVING CHRIST
The evidence for penguins and polar bears has been very controversial, but as it turns out, there ARE penguins who survived at the South Pole during the time of the Jeradites, and polar bears have survived at the North Pole during the time of the Jeradites. That doesn't PROVE that there were penguins or polar bears in Central or South America during the time of the Jeradites, but we certainly should expect it. It COULD have been...."
yea and was murdered for it lolWhat evidence exactly?You talk of intelligence.If he made it up why did he continue with his fairytale suffering all sorts of persecution thruout his whole life from the age of 15 until his murder.Your intelligence is definitly in question if you think anyone would give their lives for a lie.lol
Respond to this video... No doubt you would have gladly participated in the mob killings of early LDS Joseph Smith and had you lived at the time of Christ would have helped nail him to the cross as well.Like I said your a good man
@onbesnedenberelul Jesus was found to be a liar by his peers also.Was crucified as were countless of His followers.Accused of all manner of evil and crucified bcos of ther message by people just like you who proclaim to know the truth.Innocent men women nd Children.Murdered bcos of their beliefs.And you by your good christian(?) attitude condone those murders bcos Smith was a Liar?How do you justify killing people for ther bliefs?Your a good man my frend with a great sence of justic n fair play.
It actually sounds like your the fear mongering zealous freak :) Just an observation lol
And heres something to think about.Hitler said he was a good catholic was always a good catholic and would die a good catholic.Looks like hes got his ticket into heaven.After all most Christians say all you have to do is Believe.Go Figure.lol
I wasnt putting Smith equal to Christ.Smith was not perfect but his messag was.It is the Message I referrd to.Apologies for offending and perhaps not making it clear.He was a prophet.Smiths messag Is the Gospel of Christ.Read my commnt again.Smith was not the only martyr at the time.Hundreds lost ther lives.Murdered by christian mobs led by christian leaders. Innocent men women n Children(yes children just like ancient christians)simply bcos they wer LDS.
Thats what they said of Christ and His followers all those centuries ago. They crucified Christ and slew countless Christians because their beliefs went against all the accepted teachings of the day. Just a thought.
Did you hear what he actually said? It was "supposedly" the major argument. He is speaking those who make this argument, not that he believes it himself. I was well acquainted with him and know that he is willing to discuss this on YOUR terms. If you think horses is a big deal, he will not simply dismiss it but open to discussion.
You may chose to discriminate us, and you may chose not to listen to our gospel. But you can not change who we worship, how we worship, and you cannot dampen our faith in God, and his son, Jesus Christ.
@BEASTIEBOY1999 Right BB. Your god is one of many, who once was a man...sinful like you and me. He spends his time in man heaven having eternal sex. My God is LORD, YHWH. Elohim, the Unity of Power in the Universe and Adonai, Yeshua, the Force of God upon the earth, the deliverer who judges in loving kindness. He is Melek (King) Zadek (Priest). He is King of kings and Lord of lords. Worthy to save. We are sinners who cannot save ourselves. His blood covers us. Our works are dirty rags!
so my question is now, if the BOM is so perfect and so truthful, why do all these updates need to be made? i was tole that it was because the English vocabulary keeps changing, and so BOM has to be 're translated' from time to time, to make up for that. ...but i do think the words White and Black still mean the same as in 1977! and i think that pre-1978 pure was not a synonym for white, and black was not a synonym for evil...
@83Mathdude Why are there so many Bibles other than the KJV.Why is the KJV always being updated with so many versions and translations?The Catholics have their Bible.The Greek Orthodox have theirs.Protestants have theirs etc.
this 'church' has been making subtle and not so subtle changes for as long as i can remember...
i recall for instance, during Monday night prayer and scriptures one night, I came across a passage in my copy of the BOM that was worded differently than my brothers and sisters copies...it talked about the skins of the lamanites and the nephites being 'dark and loathsome, versus white and delightsome'....the problem was that i had a pre 1978 version of the BOM and my siblings all had 'updated' ones
Be the first in your Stake to own "Reformed Egyptians For Dummies!!" You'll be the envy of your Ward!!
Your "Reformed Egyptian For Dummies" kit includes a new off-gassing hat, your very own set of magic rocks, and a shiny set of electroplated gold tablets!!
Humboldt, dijo: 'Las ruinas de este país (México) prueban que los antepasados de Moctezuma debieron haber vivido en las orillas del Nilo'. (Viajes). Después describe esos enormes montículos antiguos que todavía hoy son enigmas para los arqueólogos y de los cuales está lleno todo México, cuyas ruinas él sugiere fueron plazas fortificadas, diciendo: 'todos estos montículos y edificios tienen sus lados enfrentando los cuatro puntos cardinales exactamente igual que las pirámides de Egipto'
Your statements are based on a fair amount of logic, however, you or someone you are borrowing from, has drawn conclusions regarding God's position based on that logic. Your conjecture has assumed the authority it has no right to.
@jzwillows I may not have the Mormon priesthood, but I am one of many, including the authors of the Bible who think that the Mormon priesthood is invalid. The Mormon priesthood does not fit the order of God, or the guidelines that even Christ followed. If Mormons have any true claim to the priesthood, they must be sure about their lineage, and the lineage of Ephraim doesn't count. It must be the lineage of Levi, via Aaron Numbers 3.
@xcannabiscom It's not the "Mormon priesthood". Not sure where you people get that. Yes, the Priesthood is valid because it is the authority from God to act in Jesus Christ's name who is the Son of God.
@jferristube Jesus is the last and ONLY priest. It's in Hebrews 7. Jesus fulfilled the old law, and the old priesthood, because it was weak and unprofitable.
Betta go and tell that to all the priests within Christiandom including your church that they do not have the priesthood and therefore do not have gods authority to Act in His Name.Hurry along now.Go spread your truth(And it aint bible truth thats for sure)to the christian world.Theyve all been deceived into believing they have the priesthood.Dont worry bout us LDS as were not christians remember?lolAt least not according to your lot.
One last note, brought out by reference to the evidence in the Dead Sea scrolls - what branch of science will the makers of the video use to discredit the prediction in the scrolls & Book of Mormon of a prophet, a great latter-day restorer named Joseph, of the tribe of Ephraim, who would be named after his father?
@jzwillows Joseph is no more from an Israelite people than George Bush. I would love to see DNA tests done on Joseph Smith's descendants to make this link. Numbers 3:10 show WHO can hold the priesthood, and it is based on lineage not faith conversion. Jesus fulfilled the priesthood according to Hebrews 7. And according to Hebrews 8:4 Jesus could not even hold the priesthood on earth, as he was not from the proper tribe!
Regarding your DNA comment, the Lord's promises to Abraham, Israel, and Ephraim bring into question your conclusion. Regarding who could hold the prieshood, you are correct regarding the Aaronic priesthood in Old Testament times. However, the scripturesd don't teach that the Melchezedic Prieshood was ever limited to a tribe.
@jzwillows how many Mormons have received the Melchezidek priesthood that according to Hebrews 7 ONLY Jesus fits the profile for, without first receiving the priesthood of Aaron? What you are proposing doesn't fit the reality of the situation. Mormons believe that they first get the priesthood of Aaron then of Melchezidek. One other issue with this, is that the Biblical order of the priesthood is that there is only ever one high priest at any time. Jesus is that priest now.
@slu2com If you do the research from Aaron to Caiphus there was only 88 total high priests. One would die and their son or near relative would take their place. But there was never more than 1 at a time legitimately. So is the order of God. There is only on High Priest, and that is Christ the the Lord Jesus forever (Hebrews 7)
The Apostle Paul declared of the priesthood: "no man taketh this honor unto himself, but he that is called of God as was Aaron."[14] Aaron was called by God and ordained to the priesthood by Moses, God's authorized minister. The Lord told Moses that to call Aaron and his sons, thou "shalt anoint them, and consecrate them, and sanctify them, that they may minister unto me in the priest's office
@xcannabiscom There are two that held the priesthood of Melchizedek, and according to the book of Hebrews chapter 7, and Genesis 18 they were the same person.
The verses you quote clearly state that many were given the priesthood not just one.
"Now your saying only jesus fits the profile?Then you say he cudnt have held it bcos he was from the wrong tribe. Make up your mind."
There are several different priesthoods. Jesus fulfilled the priesthood on earth, but yet if you look in the Bible, Hebrews 8 says that if he were still on earth, the altar of men, He could not have the priesthood because he was of the wrong tribe. However the Melchizedek is held on not by Aaron, or Moses. Not even on earth. And Jesus formed a NEW altar now.
@xcannabiscom So according to Hebrews 7, and Hebrews 8 Jesus holds that priesthood in heaven.
But if you look at the scriptures, there is not one mention of Jesus holding the priesthood while on earth. Not one. If it was such an important factor of His ministry, dont you think that would have been mentioned?
The only mention about Jesus having the priesthood on earth is Hebrews 8, where Paul says if Jesus were on earth He could not hold the priesthood at all.
@xcannabiscom The only mention about Jesus having the priesthood on earth is Hebrews 8, where Paul says if Jesus were on earth He could not hold the priesthood at all.
Paul does not say he Could Not hold the priesthood in hebrews 8.It says he is a High Priest.The office of High Priest and that of "Priest" are 2 diffrent positions as is made obvious in Heb 8
And so as you can see in the verses you quote it is mentioned that He was a High Priest.
@slu2com Your statements are based on a fair amount of logic, however, you or someone you are borrowing from, has drawn conclusions regarding God's position based on that logic. Your conjecture has assumed the authority it has no right to.
@slu2com how many Mormons have received the Melchezidek priesthood that according to Hebrews 7 ONLY Jesus fits the profile for
Now your saying only jesus fits the profile?Then you say he cudnt have held it bcos he was from the wrong tribe. Make up your mind.
You people make me laugh.Contradicting yourselves flip floppin all over the place to satisfy a particular agrument.Your Not interested in the truth at all.Just wanna make yaself LOOK cleverly Pious and all it does is make you look stupid...
@jzwillows Melchezedic is Melek (king) Zadek (priest) The man was a carrier of the oral Torah, like his predecessors, they were the "rabbi" or teacher in the Yeshivas. The bible is clear there is one King/High Priest and His name is Yeshua. Just another fabrication. In addition. we know Ephraim was dark skinned, because Joseph married the daughter or Potipher, a dark-skinned Egyptian. There are other dark skinned people in that line.
Im no geneticist but if all christians believe we descend from Adam n Eve then genetically our DNA must connect and be related somwher.Just a thought.Science also says Darwins theory of Evolution is a known proven and accepted mainsream scientific fact. Seems if we accept science to validate and prove something true then all science should be accepted because it is science and science is always based on factual evidence.Is it not?Just a thought.
@slu2com Joseph is no more from an Israelite people than George Bush.
And how do you know that?lol Yud be surprised!
This is what amazes me about you people.Pass stuff off as truth when you dont know. I dare say that if the DNA proof was ther yud still deny it.The priesthood anciently Was kept within a lineage so why is it so hard to believe that God had a reasn for not allowing blacks to hold the higher priesthood?He prevented Most othrs anciently.According to you he does the same today.Right?
@slu2com Jesus could not even hold the priesthood on earth, as he was not from the proper tribe!
So your god jesus could not hold the priesthood.The very priesthood that is his in the first place?You really believe that?You do not understand the Priesthood or what it is.
@jferristube "So your god jesus could not hold the priesthood." You don't understand the priesthood. It was a tribal thing. Jesus could no more break His order that He established than He could sin and still be the savior. Some would say that since God created everything, that includes sin. However, He could not sin. Same with the priesthood. The priesthood was made by God, just like all other things, but some things God reserved for certain purposes and certain people. Numbers 3
@xcannabiscom . Jesus could no more break His order that He established
Thats right.He established the order of the priesthood.It belongs to Him.Its His Given Him by His Father.
The Savior taught his apostles: "Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain.
Christ ordained the priesthood upon the 12 bcos it was His to give.This is what LDS know from scripture.No man can take that authority to themselves
@xcannabiscom but some things God reserved for certain purposes and certain people. Numbers 3
that is correct.For certain people and certainly to more than one person Not to just one as you mentioned earlier.
He gave it to Moses and all the ancient prophets just as he gave it to the 12 apostles.The priesthood is the authority of god givn to Man to Act in His name and with His authority
@slu2com Joseph is no more from an Israelite people than George Bush.
Again.How do you know that.
Didnt god promise Abraham that his seed would be spread amongst ALL NATIONS that ALL NATIONS would be blessed?Right?Thats what LDS believe.God did spread them all over the world.And not just to one small group of african people.If you wanna believe that then you go right ahead.
The BoM is a history of one of those Iraelite tribes.The tribe of Joseph.Thus fulfilling Biblical prophecy.Simple
Why are the scientific truths that support the Book of Mormon (B of M) not shown? Why claim the evidence validates the Bible but not B of M. If so please provide the DNA evidence validating the link between the African, Asian & European races of today to Adam & Eve - a paradox. DNA research on the earliest man disproves the Bible more assuredly than DNA evidence “disproves” the B of M; this has resulted in some Christians discarding a literal belief in Christ as he believed in Adam & Eve.
@jzwillows DNA is very historically precise. I mean if you go back far enough we are ALL Africans. Making the ban against blacks in the LDS priesthood invalid for 150 years of practice. Heck if you look at the Lemba in South Africa, they have always claimed to be from the priestly tribes of the Israelites, and science has determined beyond any doubt that indeed these folks (The Lemba) are in fact from the High Priest tribes of the Israelites.
@slu2com DNA use is as accurate as the ox plowing the field. It has the same limitations. It has to be used properly. Although from another view point, it is a very accurate tool when used by the Devil & atheists on the gullible to destroy their belief in the scripture's account of man's origin - I suspect more effective at this today than the theory of organic evolution.
@slu2com Yup!!! Does anyone really think Yeshua (Jesus) was a blond, blue-eyed, white-skinned Norseman? He was dark-skinned....perhaps not "black" but his great-great..........grandmother was an Ethopian! A bunch of smart replies. My BIG issue is cultural. If the BoM came out of Israel, it would reflect the Torah-centered culture of the OT. BoM is n.o.t.h.i.n.g like Torah. none, nana, nill, ZERO Not the same language or culture. Mormonism is riddled with the occult.
So, let's see.............some elephants lived on Wrangel Island..... Northeast of SIBERIA?? Okay!! There are penguins at The North Pole...... so,while it doesn't PROVE that there were penguins in Central America it SHOULD HAVE BEEN EXPECTED. It COULD HAVE BEEN that there were penguins in Central America during the time of the Jeradites. Got it!!
@CounterCultureLives Now, spare me the bit about how penguins are found at the South Pole, not The North Pole......... I stared at the magic rocks in my hat, and I've PRAYED about it, my heavenly parents confirmed it, so I have a Burning in the Bosom, and yes, a TRUE TESTIMONY that there ARE penguins at the North Pole.
@CounterCultureLives Maybe Gas-X will help with the burning . I guess I won't be of much help on the rest of it. I do wonder though if penguins are good on the BBQ ?
@123itisfree I stared at the magic rocks in my hat, and my heavenly parents told me that the Nephite (fair, white, & delightsome) Penguins are sacred, and are not to be touched. As for the cursed "Lamanite" penguins at the South Pole?? I'm not sure, but given that they are of dark skin, an idle species of penguins, filled with mischief?? Maybe, but there's probably a lot of fat on them!!
@CounterCultureLives U come up with all kinds of excuses, u cant fool me, i've explained myself very clear, the problem here is u, u r one of those kinds of people who needs a lot of repentance to do, i know the church is true, the Book of Mormon is the word of God period. get over it, u r very deceiving&betraying, that will never work with people like me, theres no other gospel, (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints is the only true gospel. u have the choice.
@CWMaua12 So, I take it from your answer you have nothing in the way of substance to bring to the discussion. Your rush to judgment, combined with your refusal (born of inability) to address scientific realms & evidences only serves to make my points for me. Thank you.
The scientific realm you so eagerly hold to says we all evolved from Apes as well. And science says and shows all the proof and evidence that we did indeed come from apes.Its been proven.I take it you believe in evolution?
@jferristube If you believe that God created The Heavens and The Earth, then you must concede that the sciences that govern the order of the universe, Earth, and lifeforms are also manifestations of god. Science clearly supports the belief that man evolved from more primitive life forms. Given that we share so much of our DNA with apes clearly supports that. Sorry, (NOT!!) I'm not willing to abandon scientific evidences to buy into "The talking Snake" theory.
@CounterCultureLives Yea youdaman.Who needs prophets?Ill take your word and the word of science over ansers to prayer from god thru the power of the HG over the arm of the flesh any day. NOT! Again you have not givn proof of anythin youv said on here and your the scientist.lol
Simon Southerton said, theres a main problem with the word of God, which is the Book of Mormon, its not that theres a problem with the Book of Mormon, is him(Simon) thats having a problem in his life, which is, his lack of knowledge, refused to repent of some sort that i'm not sure about, but, probably, racist could be another one or maybe pride, i'm not sure, like i said repeatedly. He need to examine himself before its too late.
@CWMaua12 Once again, CWMaua12, you engage in your unfounded judgments based in ignorance. So, dr. Southernton suddenly goes from being a Mormon Bishop, to "lacking knowledge"??
Once again, we see the unadulterated hypocrisy of Mormonism and Mormons. Mormons are the first to engage in personal attacks and unfounded judgments of their detractors, but are the first to whine about dissenters of LDS being "attackers" and being" judgmental".
@CounterCultureLives Yes, Simon Southerton is absolutely lacking knowledge and very, very, deceitful, his wasting his time, some sort of wickedness like, racist, its contain with hatred, also, some kind of abominable things, his thoughts are corrupted, unclean heart, it could be any negative thoughts, but, yes, his ignorant like you and everybody including myself in some certain things in life, but, my history, im very well knowledgable and well aware of it.so,tell me wat u know bout my culture
@CWMaua12 Nice little rhetorical rant, completely void of substance. Such a typical Mormon response. "Your culture" isn't the issue here; quit trying to sidestep the issues at hand.
Now, let's get down to specific issues.Dr. Southernton has discussed his issues with BoM in detail, both in his writings, and in numerous Y/T vids. Now, please offer a rebuttal based upon scientific information which can be objectively reviewed and critically scrutinized.
@CounterCultureLives Theres no other gospel, Our Heavenly Parents restored their church back on earth, which is (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints). The Book of Mormon is the word of God. and, im not sidestepping the issue, when it comes to cultures,traditions,languages, theres lots of similarities, on israel,arab,asian,native americans&the islands, i repeat, The Book of Mormon is indeed, the word of God, period. U need a lot of repentance to do.
@CounterCultureLives You're not doing LDS any favors by engaging in rhetoric, void of substance, but you make my work soooo much easier!! We live in an age of information technology, and LDS is clearly struggling with the battles of sound scientific research, as well as the ability to obtain and share information that will withstand objective review & critical scrutiny. Truth welcomes scrutiny & challenge. Now, LDS is struggling to battle with the sobering realities that discredit BoM 7&LDS.
When the Pharisees tried to trap Christ with deceit and trickery He at times did not/would not answer them. Why? Christ never tried to prove anything with science.He didnt need to as His Kingdom is Not of this world and Is certainly not reliant on the "Wisdom" of man as the scriptures say for mans "wisdom"is foolishness before Him.Simple.:) and no we do not struggle with your scientific research. We trust not in the arm of flesh but in Christ to do our bidding.All good
@jferristube Though you claim that LDS does not struggle with the sciences, the truth is quite the opposite. That's why LDS apologists trip over their own shoelaces in their attempts to offer some plausible evidence to support BoM. Of course, even a little legitimate research exposes the lack of credibility of FARMS, FAIRLDS, and other LDS Shillsters, Inc. Legitimate challenges by Mormons are not tolerated by LDS, Inc.But, who needs the sciences when you have a nice, warm, fuzzy testiphony??
@CounterCultureLives Ya dont need FARMS to show the BoM spoke of great civilisations existing in the Americas.Its all common knowledge now.He wrote of greqat civilisations when they still lay buried or undiscoverd.Nothing was known of these great peoples when he wrote of them.We dont need scientific proof of anything we believe.
@jferristube You don't need scientific evidences to support The Book of Mormon because scientific research, objective review, and critical analysis can not co-exist with the writings of The Book of Mormon. To say that "nothing was known of these great peoples when he (SmYth) wrote of them is not true. Granted, not as much was known about them, and SmYth obviously knew nothing about them...... that's why he got the sciences all wrong.
@jferristube Your IQ has declined about 26+ points since yesterday. Of course, ancient civilizations in Central / South America existed, moron!! The Mayans, the Aztecs, Mestizos, to mention a few; and yes, there histories were known at the time SmYth concocted BoM, although more is known about them now.
Having made that clear, there were no "Jeradites", Lamanites, or Nephites.
@jferristube Oh, really?? I challenge you to disprove anything I've stated. Please be specific. You're childish rants. all lacking in specifics or substance,l only serve to illuminate you foolishness and unbridled ignorance.
I say nothing was known of them when he wrote of them.And then you turn around and say they were known of and at the same time say they did not exist.The BoM is false?Make up ur mind.
And what science did Joseph get all wrong?Geeeez I didnt even realise he was a scientist as well.Its amazing how much knowledge you have of Joseph and none of it is worth a dime lol
@CounterCultureLives and critical analysis can not co-exist with the writings of The Book of Mormon.
Give me just one example of your Scientific Analysis that goes totally AGAINST the BoM in the light of your scientific Analysis.Betta still.Show me how really intelligent you are by giving me 6 examples of such.Canya do that?Ther must be tons of science prooving the BoM false if it IS indeed false.Especially if he made it all up.Now thats Unbelievable
@CounterCultureLives Like Ive said.Back up what you say is true with evidence other than just spouting off your own Opinions and strait out lies hahahahaha
@jferristube This will clearly be beyond you level to comprehend, but astrophysicist believe "The Star of Bethlehem" to be an alignment of planets and constellations. The three strongest possibilities are:
Feb. 20, 6 B.C. Mars, Jupiter &Saturn aligned in the constellation Pisces.
April 17, 6 B.C. When the sun, moon, Jupiter, & Saturn aligned in the constellation Aries while Venus & Mars were in neighboring constellations.
-June 17, 2 B.C., when Jupiter and Venus were closely aligned in Leo.
see here ya go making judgmnt on my comprehension level of which you know nothing.And you say you deal in facts?lol And anyone reading our conversation will see clearly that your the idiot.lmao Hav a good day. :o)
@CounterCultureLives *Now, go study those words in an encyclopedia. The Librarian can help you with that, too.
And how is studying the words in a library gonna scientifically prove to me that the bible is true or the parts you accept as true is based on fact.Clown
Anyone with half a brain wud know doing what ya say here is not gonna prove your whole stupid dumbass argument now is it!And you think your the cleva one hahahahahaha Clown.Ya crack me up.The more ya open IT the more stupid ya look
Abraham was promised that his seed would be scattered among all nations that all nations may be blessed.The Ten tribes?Who are they?Where were they scattered to?
@jferristube I'm probably not the best person to answer that question. (or I may be the best person to answer your question!!) I'm not a Christian. One of the main reasons I renounced Christianity was that I came to see Abraham as a demented soul, not a prophet. If you believe The Bible to be infallible, (which it clearly is not) then Abraham was a f&#@ed up soul who should have kept his d!c in his pants, not a "prophet".
@CounterCultureLives The Bible to be infallible, (which it clearly is not) then Abraham was a f&#@ed up soul who should have kept his d!c in his pants, not a "prophet".
Just interested to know why ya think that way?So you gave up on Christianity bcos of Abraham?Interesting...
@jferristube Oh, really?? Provide some specifics. Names, curriculum vitae, (another term for you to look up) the studies conducted and research papers produced, and the findings colleagues who conducted peer reviews. That ought to keep you busy for a while. The library (that's a big building with many books, including dictionaries and encyclopedias) should open Monday morning, usually about 9:00a.m.
I thank my Heavenly Parents I'm a member of Their true church, which is, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints. The Book of Mormon is the word of God period. Simon Southerton have a problem in his life, not the true church or the Book of Mormon. Simon Southerton needs to be reconcile with our Heavenly Parents. and i'm not sure what his problem is, only our Heavenly Parents know it.
A small replica of gold plates can cure anything from cancer to bankruptcy. You're going to see restoration, you're gon-a see miracles in your life. The price? It's free, absolutely free! " FREE' but that promise of Godly miracles comes with a earthly request. 750 of MY followers ARE turning over all worldly goods for the privilege of joining. I invite you to do the same. Before you give me everything, I feel led to ask you to prove God with a $20 offering."
I think another strong argument is the Kings English in large passages that were obviously plagarized almost verbatim from the King James Bible. I don't believe that the Shephardic Jews from the first dyspora would have spoke the Kings English.
@jferristube Really tell me have you been through the endowment ceremony? Did you put on the masonic 'apprentice' apron of the high priesthood of lucifer did you go into the lone and dreary world and kneel down if front of Cain's unacceptable offering he made to God that God rejected as though you were wanting to make the same sacrifice and be rejected by God as well. When you called out 3 times to the 'god' of the Mormon temple was it not Lucifer who answered your call???
@aimeecurry46 Why are you even trying to deceive others into thinking that LDS are christians? Your own President has admitted that the 'jesus' that LDS worship is not the same "Jesus" That the rest of Christianity worships. Also Bishop Glen L. Pace's internal memo was leaked over 20 years ago and posted in the Salt Lake City Newspaper. Speaking of all of the Satanic Ritual Abuse that was taking place in the Salt Lake City temple.
@aimeecurry46 Here's a quote from President Benson 'There are wolves in sheeps clothing wearing the mantle of the priesthood' Here's a quote from Spencer Kimball " Brethern why are we not being persecuted? I'll tell you why were not being persecuted we have been infiltrated from within to the very highest levels." Coincidentally Spencer Kimball's daughter and husband had one of the Satanic Covens that one of the Glen L. Pace victims testified to being abused by!
@aimeecurry46 Glen L. Pace victims testified to being abused by
Again more unsubstantiated accusations.No conclusive evidence aftr full investigations.Are ther members who do Not follow church teachings and practice such evils?You bet and theyre eventually found out,excommunicated,leave freely and or become Apostate.It is Apostates who actively go about to destroy as this man Shaun does.But it aint gonna happn.Were here to stay.And it mattereth not what our dissenters say or accuse us of.Simple.
@aimeecurry46 Why are you even trying to deceive others into thinking that LDS are christians?
LDS not tryin to deceive anyone on that point at all.We do not follow the christ that your christianity follows.We claim to follow the Christ preached in the Bible Not Your "Interpretation" of the Biblical Christ.
And your claim of satanic rituals in the temple?Wher do you get that info.Wikipedia?
@aimeecurry46 Why are you even trying to deceive others into thinking that LDS are christians?
Were not tryin to deceive anyone.Like the prophet said.We just dont believe your interpretation on many points of doctrine and probably most importantly.The nature of Christ and the Father.The basics are the same. The world of Christianity itself does Not even agree with itself on many points.Put 2 clergy of any "Christian"sect in a room and they wont agree on evrything now will they!Whose right???
@aimeecurry46 Speaking of all of the Satanic Ritual Abuse that was taking place in the Salt Lake City temple.
Nope your wrong.There were accusations of such just as you continue to acuse us now of Satan worship in our temples Acusing us of devil worship and all sorts of evil since the very day Joseph walked out of that sacred grove.
You n your kind are the deceivers.Remember?The pit they dig for others shall they themselves fall into.Thats what yu love to do now isnt it. Dig a pit nd condemn
@jferristube Why don't you try to sell you brooklyn bridge to someone that wasn't one of the afore mentioned victims. You are such a liar! I'm so glad I saw the light and got out of that Luciferian Cult!
@aimeecurry46 Really tell me have you been through the endowment ceremony?
Why do you ask?Have you?I would say you have Not and if you have then your one of the many Apostates Pres Benson spoke of. Wolves amongst the Flock.It happened while Christ and the ancient apostles/prophets walked the earth and it happens today.Satan's been tryin to destroy the Lords work since Adam n Eve and continues today.He only seeks to destroy Truth as you try to with your misrepresentations and that IS the Truth.
Hey, Jferristube!! Doun' pretty well, just busier that a Mormon Missionary with three back-to-back Baptisms and two flat tires on his bike!! ;o)
Hope your Holy Days and holidays were Blessed.
Regarding my beliefs?? I'm not a Christian, but I'm not an atheist either. The Bible holds some elements of truth, but is by no means infallible.
Organized religion as a whole is a means by which the empowered few are able to reign and rule over the masses.
Thanks for the friendly greeting!!
CounterCultureLives 2 weeks ago
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@CounterCultureLives Regarding my beliefs??..... The Bible holds some elements of truth,
Ahhhh my memories of you are returning.lol
So you dont accept the bible completely.I understand that.All good.
Organized religion as a whole is a means by which the empowered few are able to reign and rule over the masses.
I agree totally.Thats exactly what happens and has happened thruout history.
But if there be a god then Im sure he expects obedience to His word and His servants
jferristube 2 weeks ago
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@CounterCultureLives Organized religion as a whole is a means by which the empowered few are able to reign and rule over the masses.
But they only have power over the masses as they allow them to have.
jferristube 2 weeks ago
The main problem with the Book of Mormon is that it isn't read enough and followed.
THELDSLIFE 1 month ago
@CounterCultureLives you would realize how ignorant and foolish you've made yourself look.
Do you accept the story of the Flood as described in scripture?
jferristube 3 months ago
@CounterCultureLives You've offered no evidence to support your claim
And youve Not supplied your scientific evidence either clown.
I dont need science evidence for Babel as I believe and accept the Bible as Truth and that not only bcos of Scientific Anthropological archaeological evidences but more importantly thru the power of God an the HG that teaches the truth of things that cannot be proven(or disprovn for that matter)by science but by Answer to prayer.The rock of Revelation from God
jferristube 3 months ago
@CounterCultureLives Genesis 11:1 states that there is only one language comprised of few words
This is why yur a Clown.Your sayn after Hundreds of years and millions in pop b4 the flood and thousands from Noah to the Tower the language had Only a "few words"Then you quote the Bible again saying they had many languages at the time of Babel and all in 4 generations and you say Im talkin "bovine excretement"?hahahaha
So Im talkin "crap" bcos I say ther was only ONE language at the time of Babel?
jferristube 3 months ago
@CounterCultureLives You've offered no evidence to support your claim. Had you conducted the slightest bit of legitimate research
Show me yur research Clown.LOL Ya cant can ya and Ill keep sayin till pigs fly or you give me proof...Okay?Cooool!!! LOL
jferristube 3 months ago
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CounterCultureLives 3 months ago
@CounterCultureLives Let's begin with The Bible. Genesis 11:1
You say comprised of a "FEW" words.What Bible version are ya usin Clown?I havnt found one saying...with a few wordslol
Genesis 11:6 The LORD said, "If as one people speaking the SAME LANGUAGE they have begun to do this,
jferristube 3 months ago
@CounterCultureLives EACH WITH HIS OWN LANGUAGE
LOL
Gen 11:1
And the Whole Earth was of ONE LANGUAGE, and of ONE SPEECH.
Gen 10:31 Does Not use the word LANGUAGE.It uses the word TONGUE. There ya go changin the words to fit you agenda Ver scientific of you mr Clown.Tongue and LANGUAGE obviously have a different meaning in context LOL
And I only use the KJV as it is the most correct.I do not accept these New wave Modern day language translations.Too bad for you eh!LOL
jferristube 3 months ago
@CounterCultureLives You've offered no evidence to support your claim
Ive offered evidence to support my claim from the SAME source you offer.The Bible LOL.
Again wheres your Scientific Evidence?Your scientists dont even agree with Themselves now do they!So much for your science research.It agrees no more with itself than the whole of Christianity agrees with itself.Your all confused and Contradictory.Plain as the nose on ya face!
Your the one lookin like a fool mr counterclown.LOL
jferristube 3 months ago
@CounterCultureLives you would realize how ignorant and foolish you've made yourself look.
Thats right ya make yaself look foolish CounterClown LOL.Youve changed the word in your ref from tongue to language lol.Wheres ur Scientific evidence for ur claim?Ive asked you for that science and ya nevr provide.How come?Coz ya aint got any havya.You use contradictions in the Bible to PROVE? Your point.LOL.
Science Does Not know how when or where language started.There Is Only Theory Mr Clown LOL
jferristube 3 months ago
@CounterCultureLives Had you conducted some legitimate research, you would discover that the history of languages are traced back to Africa, about 50,000 years ago. While there is some disagreement amongst linguistics experts, what is abundantly clear is that languages evolved long before the "Tower of Babel" fable supposedly took place.
CounterCultureLives 3 months ago
@CounterCultureLives clear is that languages evolved long before the "Tower of Babel" fable supposedly took place.
Your a clown.Language did not evolve long before Babel.
Traced back to africa?Whered ya read that.Science cant even agree with itself on the origins of language.
As I said.Only 4 generations between Noah and the tower.Any scientist believn language changed significantly in that short time frame is a clown LOL.No science can tell how and where language began or started.Its theory
jferristube 3 months ago
@jferristube Now that you've had your mindless little cyber-rant, perhaps you might find some time (and a few braincells) to conduct some legitimate research. I've humored your foolishness enough.
CounterCultureLives 3 months ago
@CounterCultureLives to conduct some legitimate research. I've humored your foolishness enough.
Like i keep sayin.Wheres your scientific proof Counter Clown lol?
I dont have any do I and dont claim to hav science proof of the tower anymore than I have proof Jesus raised himself from the dead.
Im calling you on all your scientific research you keep spouting about you having done.You never give scientific proof of anything.Give refs Clown.Wher hav ya researched yur theory from lol Clown
jferristube 3 months ago
@CounterCultureLives
CLOWN hahahahahahahahaha Ya crack me up Mr CounterClown.Your Full of it mate.LOL
jferristube 3 months ago
@jferristube You follow a "prophet" who stared at magic rocks in a white hat, and you call ME a clown??
CounterCultureLives 3 months ago
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jferristube 3 months ago
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Ok I'LL CALL YOU A STUPID IGNORANT DUMBASS THEN lol
jferristube 3 months ago
@CounterCultureLives You follow a "prophet" who stared at magic rocks in a white hat, and you call ME a clown??
Mate your starin at somethin.LOL and Youve set yurself up as a prophet seer and revelator claiming to know All Truth. Claiming all this knowledge and scientific evidence that just Does Not exist.Theres No science that can conclusively prove where or when language originated.NONE.Its all theory Matey
jferristube 3 months ago
So, show me the evidence which supports the Tower of Babel fable. Where is it?? Who has peer reviewed the evidences, and authenticated the findings??
CounterCultureLives 3 months ago
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@CounterCultureLives Are you not capable of conducting even the slightest elements of legitimate research??
Why do you expect of me what you do not expect of yourself?Clown LOL
Yur Tower of Babel theory is just that.
BAAAAABBBBUUUULLLLLLLL LOL
jferristube 3 months ago
@CounterCultureLives The science of anthropolog
I thought you were the one sighting the use of all these sciences to prove your Point
Oh okay.So you allow yurself the anthropological/scientific answers to back your theory But LDS Cannot?
You are a Clown LOL
Thor Heyerdhal proves your statement wrong.And he was an Anthroplogist and Not LDS either.
You used obsevational science for yur argumnt on evolution but you will not allow me the same science to substantiate my beliefs?Clown LOL
jferristube 3 months ago
@jferristube What is "anthropolg"??
LDS is free to rely upon the sciences of anthropology, archaeology, and many other sciences that discredit BoM. The problem is that their so-called "evidences" won't withstand objective review or critical scrutiny by any unbiased exerts.. That's why FARMS, FAIRLDS, The Maxwell Institute, and other offshoots of LDS Shillster, Inc. have no credibility outside the hallowed halls of LDS.
CounterCultureLives 3 months ago
@CounterCultureLives What is "anthropolg"??
yea I knew that would baffle your scientific researching mind LOL
jferristube 3 months ago
@jferristube So your saying there is evidence that there is DNA from Abraham?
Nope i didnt say that and you know it! Then you try and twist what I say and attempt to make me look "silly" and only make yurself look that way in the end.Typical anti LDS hater.
jferristube 3 months ago
@jferristube Well, my "scientific mind" struggled, so I got out my trusty magic rocks and white hat. After staring at the magic rocks, heavenly father revealed to me you posted in a language called "Reformed Illiterate". LOL!!
CounterCultureLives 3 months ago
@CounterCultureLives Well, my "scientific mind" struggled
LOL
I appreciate a good sense of humor
jferristube 3 months ago
@CounterCultureLives
...and your theory that ther wer already many languages at the time of the tower of Babel makes no scientific sense at all.I challenge you to tell me wher you get that information
jferristube 3 months ago
@CounterCultureLives
there were only 4 generations from Noah to Nimrod and the tower of Babel so to say there were already many languages does not make Scientific Linguistic sense Mr Counter.Betta put your head back in yo hat lol Bcos your scientific researchn studies dont add up.Amazing how (your)science can be so screwed up LOL
jferristube 3 months ago
@CounterCultureLives
It seems you dont even accept science unless it fits yur criteria.EG the fact that we all originate from one family from One Place viz the Ark.All the diffrent cultures on the planet originate from that 1 family.Just an observation
jferristube 3 months ago
@CounterCultureLives quick to call Dr. Southerton wrong, irrespective
I dont need to be a geneticist to know Southertons(who I went to BYU with)discoveries are Not complete or conclusive.For a start. BoM descendants arent descended from the Jews.He says that and knows his statement is outright False.There goes his credibility as someone interested in the truth and plenty enough for your Subjective review
I knew the man personally as a friend and brother and I feel for and pity him.
jferristube 3 months ago
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Sorry I correct my statement.
For the MOST part the BoM descendants are NOT from Judah.
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jferristube 3 months ago
@onbesnedenberelul Jo Smith would have married her ass too and her sister and her daughter and her mother just to blow or a few loads.
Your mouth and your language is that of the type of person you acuse Joseph of being.Your the lewd acting person full of lies and hypocracy and certainly you are Not Christian so I can understand.It just amazes me how religious zealouts like yourself get so Upset at Joseph and all us LDS.Why worry bout us.Why go about persecuting as you do?
jferristube 3 months ago
@onbesnedenberelul a HUGE difference between this pedophilic, philandering, lying, fraud Jo Smith and Christ. Christ, or the spiritual leader that he is described to be didn't commit all the lewd acts and fraud Jo did
No Joseph didnt.He was falsely accused just as the Savior and all the ancient prophets apostles and everyday saints were falsely accused.Even today LDS saints and prophets still are being falsely accused.Go Figure.
jferristube 3 months ago
"...He gave His life to atone for the sins of all mankind. His was a great vicarious gift in behalf of all who would ever live upon the earth.
We solemnly testify that His life, which is central to all human history, neither began in Bethlehem nor concluded on Calvary. He was the Firstborn of the Father, the Only Begotten Son in the flesh, the Redeemer of the world." THE LIVING CHRIST
THE TESTIMONY OF THE APOSTLES
THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
chicaylds 5 months ago
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Oh really
jferristube 5 months ago
The evidence for penguins and polar bears has been very controversial, but as it turns out, there ARE penguins who survived at the South Pole during the time of the Jeradites, and polar bears have survived at the North Pole during the time of the Jeradites. That doesn't PROVE that there were penguins or polar bears in Central or South America during the time of the Jeradites, but we certainly should expect it. It COULD have been...."
CounterCultureLives 5 months ago
@onbesnedenberelul
yea and was murdered for it lolWhat evidence exactly?You talk of intelligence.If he made it up why did he continue with his fairytale suffering all sorts of persecution thruout his whole life from the age of 15 until his murder.Your intelligence is definitly in question if you think anyone would give their lives for a lie.lol
jferristube 5 months ago
Respond to this video... No doubt you would have gladly participated in the mob killings of early LDS Joseph Smith and had you lived at the time of Christ would have helped nail him to the cross as well.Like I said your a good man
jferristube 5 months ago
@onbesnedenberelul Jesus was found to be a liar by his peers also.Was crucified as were countless of His followers.Accused of all manner of evil and crucified bcos of ther message by people just like you who proclaim to know the truth.Innocent men women nd Children.Murdered bcos of their beliefs.And you by your good christian(?) attitude condone those murders bcos Smith was a Liar?How do you justify killing people for ther bliefs?Your a good man my frend with a great sence of justic n fair play.
jferristube 5 months ago
It actually sounds like your the fear mongering zealous freak :) Just an observation lol
And heres something to think about.Hitler said he was a good catholic was always a good catholic and would die a good catholic.Looks like hes got his ticket into heaven.After all most Christians say all you have to do is Believe.Go Figure.lol
jferristube 5 months ago
Dont undrstand ur point in your first paragraph.How do I know what?Fear mongering zealots told me what?Like I said I dont know where youre comn from.
jferristube 5 months ago
@onbesnedenberelul
I wasnt putting Smith equal to Christ.Smith was not perfect but his messag was.It is the Message I referrd to.Apologies for offending and perhaps not making it clear.He was a prophet.Smiths messag Is the Gospel of Christ.Read my commnt again.Smith was not the only martyr at the time.Hundreds lost ther lives.Murdered by christian mobs led by christian leaders. Innocent men women n Children(yes children just like ancient christians)simply bcos they wer LDS.
jferristube 5 months ago
@onbesnedenberelul
Thats what they said of Christ and His followers all those centuries ago. They crucified Christ and slew countless Christians because their beliefs went against all the accepted teachings of the day. Just a thought.
jferristube 5 months ago
Sublime
GodsBlindSpot1 6 months ago
Did you hear what he actually said? It was "supposedly" the major argument. He is speaking those who make this argument, not that he believes it himself. I was well acquainted with him and know that he is willing to discuss this on YOUR terms. If you think horses is a big deal, he will not simply dismiss it but open to discussion.
cdowis 6 months ago
You may chose to discriminate us, and you may chose not to listen to our gospel. But you can not change who we worship, how we worship, and you cannot dampen our faith in God, and his son, Jesus Christ.
BEASTIEBOY1999 8 months ago
@BEASTIEBOY1999 Right BB. Your god is one of many, who once was a man...sinful like you and me. He spends his time in man heaven having eternal sex. My God is LORD, YHWH. Elohim, the Unity of Power in the Universe and Adonai, Yeshua, the Force of God upon the earth, the deliverer who judges in loving kindness. He is Melek (King) Zadek (Priest). He is King of kings and Lord of lords. Worthy to save. We are sinners who cannot save ourselves. His blood covers us. Our works are dirty rags!
GmaM11 8 months ago
so my question is now, if the BOM is so perfect and so truthful, why do all these updates need to be made? i was tole that it was because the English vocabulary keeps changing, and so BOM has to be 're translated' from time to time, to make up for that. ...but i do think the words White and Black still mean the same as in 1977! and i think that pre-1978 pure was not a synonym for white, and black was not a synonym for evil...
83Mathdude 8 months ago
@83Mathdude Why are there so many Bibles other than the KJV.Why is the KJV always being updated with so many versions and translations?The Catholics have their Bible.The Greek Orthodox have theirs.Protestants have theirs etc.
jferristube 5 months ago
this 'church' has been making subtle and not so subtle changes for as long as i can remember...
i recall for instance, during Monday night prayer and scriptures one night, I came across a passage in my copy of the BOM that was worded differently than my brothers and sisters copies...it talked about the skins of the lamanites and the nephites being 'dark and loathsome, versus white and delightsome'....the problem was that i had a pre 1978 version of the BOM and my siblings all had 'updated' ones
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CounterCultureLives 10 months ago
Humboldt, dijo: 'Las ruinas de este país (México) prueban que los antepasados de Moctezuma debieron haber vivido en las orillas del Nilo'. (Viajes). Después describe esos enormes montículos antiguos que todavía hoy son enigmas para los arqueólogos y de los cuales está lleno todo México, cuyas ruinas él sugiere fueron plazas fortificadas, diciendo: 'todos estos montículos y edificios tienen sus lados enfrentando los cuatro puntos cardinales exactamente igual que las pirámides de Egipto'
dorisfenella 10 months ago
Your statements are based on a fair amount of logic, however, you or someone you are borrowing from, has drawn conclusions regarding God's position based on that logic. Your conjecture has assumed the authority it has no right to.
jzwillows 11 months ago
@jzwillows I may not have the Mormon priesthood, but I am one of many, including the authors of the Bible who think that the Mormon priesthood is invalid. The Mormon priesthood does not fit the order of God, or the guidelines that even Christ followed. If Mormons have any true claim to the priesthood, they must be sure about their lineage, and the lineage of Ephraim doesn't count. It must be the lineage of Levi, via Aaron Numbers 3.
xcannabiscom 11 months ago
@xcannabiscom Regarding your comment on lineage, from my viewpoint you are you are deciding for the Lord, what His manades are, very tenuous.
Regarding the comment that the authors of the bible think the Mormon priethood is invalid, that draws a blank.
jzwillows 11 months ago
@xcannabiscom It's not the "Mormon priesthood". Not sure where you people get that. Yes, the Priesthood is valid because it is the authority from God to act in Jesus Christ's name who is the Son of God.
majinish 9 months ago
@xcannabiscom so who today has the priesthood measuring up to your criteria?:)
jferristube 5 months ago
@jferristube Jesus is the last and ONLY priest. It's in Hebrews 7. Jesus fulfilled the old law, and the old priesthood, because it was weak and unprofitable.
xcannabiscom 4 months ago
@xcannabiscom Jesus is the last and ONLY priest
Betta go and tell that to all the priests within Christiandom including your church that they do not have the priesthood and therefore do not have gods authority to Act in His Name.Hurry along now.Go spread your truth(And it aint bible truth thats for sure)to the christian world.Theyve all been deceived into believing they have the priesthood.Dont worry bout us LDS as were not christians remember?lolAt least not according to your lot.
jferristube 3 months ago
@jzwillows Also if you want to know a tribe that DOES have the priestly lineage, look up the Lemba from Africa.
xcannabiscom 4 months ago
One last note, brought out by reference to the evidence in the Dead Sea scrolls - what branch of science will the makers of the video use to discredit the prediction in the scrolls & Book of Mormon of a prophet, a great latter-day restorer named Joseph, of the tribe of Ephraim, who would be named after his father?
jzwillows 11 months ago
@jzwillows Joseph is no more from an Israelite people than George Bush. I would love to see DNA tests done on Joseph Smith's descendants to make this link. Numbers 3:10 show WHO can hold the priesthood, and it is based on lineage not faith conversion. Jesus fulfilled the priesthood according to Hebrews 7. And according to Hebrews 8:4 Jesus could not even hold the priesthood on earth, as he was not from the proper tribe!
slu2com 11 months ago 5
@slu2com
Regarding your DNA comment, the Lord's promises to Abraham, Israel, and Ephraim bring into question your conclusion. Regarding who could hold the prieshood, you are correct regarding the Aaronic priesthood in Old Testament times. However, the scripturesd don't teach that the Melchezedic Prieshood was ever limited to a tribe.
jzwillows 11 months ago
@jzwillows how many Mormons have received the Melchezidek priesthood that according to Hebrews 7 ONLY Jesus fits the profile for, without first receiving the priesthood of Aaron? What you are proposing doesn't fit the reality of the situation. Mormons believe that they first get the priesthood of Aaron then of Melchezidek. One other issue with this, is that the Biblical order of the priesthood is that there is only ever one high priest at any time. Jesus is that priest now.
slu2com 11 months ago
@slu2com If you do the research from Aaron to Caiphus there was only 88 total high priests. One would die and their son or near relative would take their place. But there was never more than 1 at a time legitimately. So is the order of God. There is only on High Priest, and that is Christ the the Lord Jesus forever (Hebrews 7)
slu2com 11 months ago
@slu2com That seems a logical conclusion.
jzwillows 11 months ago
@slu2com There is only on High Priest, and that is Christ the the Lord Jesus forever
So Melchezidech Moses Abraham Jacob etc were not High priests and didnt hold the Melchezidech Priesthood?
jferristube 3 months ago
@jferristube "So Melchezidech Moses Abraham Jacob etc were not High priests and didnt hold the Melchezidech Priesthood?"
There are two that held the priesthood of Melchizedek, and according to the book of Hebrews chapter 7, and Genesis 18 they were the same person.
xcannabiscom 3 months ago
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The Apostle Paul declared of the priesthood: "no man taketh this honor unto himself, but he that is called of God as was Aaron."[14] Aaron was called by God and ordained to the priesthood by Moses, God's authorized minister. The Lord told Moses that to call Aaron and his sons, thou "shalt anoint them, and consecrate them, and sanctify them, that they may minister unto me in the priest's office
jferristube 3 months ago
@xcannabiscom There are two that held the priesthood of Melchizedek, and according to the book of Hebrews chapter 7, and Genesis 18 they were the same person.
The verses you quote clearly state that many were given the priesthood not just one.
Heb 7:26
For such an high priest became us, [who is] holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
Christ held that priesthood befor comin to earth as this verse testifies.It has Always been HIS to GIVE
jferristube 3 months ago
"Now your saying only jesus fits the profile?Then you say he cudnt have held it bcos he was from the wrong tribe. Make up your mind."
There are several different priesthoods. Jesus fulfilled the priesthood on earth, but yet if you look in the Bible, Hebrews 8 says that if he were still on earth, the altar of men, He could not have the priesthood because he was of the wrong tribe. However the Melchizedek is held on not by Aaron, or Moses. Not even on earth. And Jesus formed a NEW altar now.
xcannabiscom 3 months ago
@xcannabiscom So according to Hebrews 7, and Hebrews 8 Jesus holds that priesthood in heaven.
But if you look at the scriptures, there is not one mention of Jesus holding the priesthood while on earth. Not one. If it was such an important factor of His ministry, dont you think that would have been mentioned?
The only mention about Jesus having the priesthood on earth is Hebrews 8, where Paul says if Jesus were on earth He could not hold the priesthood at all.
xcannabiscom 3 months ago
@xcannabiscom The only mention about Jesus having the priesthood on earth is Hebrews 8, where Paul says if Jesus were on earth He could not hold the priesthood at all.
Paul does not say he Could Not hold the priesthood in hebrews 8.It says he is a High Priest.The office of High Priest and that of "Priest" are 2 diffrent positions as is made obvious in Heb 8
And so as you can see in the verses you quote it is mentioned that He was a High Priest.
Did he not give His priesthood authority to 12.
jferristube 3 months ago
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@xcannabiscom So according to Hebrews 7, and Hebrews 8 Jesus holds that priesthood in heaven.
And he held here on eart while here and he passed that priesthood to the Twelve.
jferristube 3 months ago
@xcannabiscom There are several different priesthoods
Can you give me the names of those several priesthoods?
jferristube 3 months ago
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@slu2com But there was never more than 1 at a time legitimately. So is the order of God
Yes that was the case anciently.One at a time.
jferristube 3 months ago
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@slu2com Your statements are based on a fair amount of logic, however, you or someone you are borrowing from, has drawn conclusions regarding God's position based on that logic. Your conjecture has assumed the authority it has no right to.
jzwillows 11 months ago
@slu2com how many Mormons have received the Melchezidek priesthood that according to Hebrews 7 ONLY Jesus fits the profile for
Are you saying only Jesus held the Melchezideck priesthoo?What is the priesthood anyway Slu?Why was it given anciently and Not now?
jferristube 3 months ago
@slu2com how many Mormons have received the Melchezidek priesthood that according to Hebrews 7 ONLY Jesus fits the profile for
Now your saying only jesus fits the profile?Then you say he cudnt have held it bcos he was from the wrong tribe. Make up your mind.
You people make me laugh.Contradicting yourselves flip floppin all over the place to satisfy a particular agrument.Your Not interested in the truth at all.Just wanna make yaself LOOK cleverly Pious and all it does is make you look stupid...
jferristube 3 months ago
@jzwillows Melchezedic is Melek (king) Zadek (priest) The man was a carrier of the oral Torah, like his predecessors, they were the "rabbi" or teacher in the Yeshivas. The bible is clear there is one King/High Priest and His name is Yeshua. Just another fabrication. In addition. we know Ephraim was dark skinned, because Joseph married the daughter or Potipher, a dark-skinned Egyptian. There are other dark skinned people in that line.
GmaM11 4 months ago
@slu2com
Im no geneticist but if all christians believe we descend from Adam n Eve then genetically our DNA must connect and be related somwher.Just a thought.Science also says Darwins theory of Evolution is a known proven and accepted mainsream scientific fact. Seems if we accept science to validate and prove something true then all science should be accepted because it is science and science is always based on factual evidence.Is it not?Just a thought.
jferristube 5 months ago
@slu2com Joseph is no more from an Israelite people than George Bush.
And how do you know that?lol Yud be surprised!
This is what amazes me about you people.Pass stuff off as truth when you dont know. I dare say that if the DNA proof was ther yud still deny it.The priesthood anciently Was kept within a lineage so why is it so hard to believe that God had a reasn for not allowing blacks to hold the higher priesthood?He prevented Most othrs anciently.According to you he does the same today.Right?
jferristube 3 months ago
@slu2com Jesus could not even hold the priesthood on earth, as he was not from the proper tribe!
So your god jesus could not hold the priesthood.The very priesthood that is his in the first place?You really believe that?You do not understand the Priesthood or what it is.
jferristube 3 months ago
@jferristube "So your god jesus could not hold the priesthood." You don't understand the priesthood. It was a tribal thing. Jesus could no more break His order that He established than He could sin and still be the savior. Some would say that since God created everything, that includes sin. However, He could not sin. Same with the priesthood. The priesthood was made by God, just like all other things, but some things God reserved for certain purposes and certain people. Numbers 3
xcannabiscom 3 months ago
@xcannabiscom . Jesus could no more break His order that He established
Thats right.He established the order of the priesthood.It belongs to Him.Its His Given Him by His Father.
The Savior taught his apostles: "Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain.
Christ ordained the priesthood upon the 12 bcos it was His to give.This is what LDS know from scripture.No man can take that authority to themselves
jferristube 3 months ago
@xcannabiscom but some things God reserved for certain purposes and certain people. Numbers 3
that is correct.For certain people and certainly to more than one person Not to just one as you mentioned earlier.
He gave it to Moses and all the ancient prophets just as he gave it to the 12 apostles.The priesthood is the authority of god givn to Man to Act in His name and with His authority
jferristube 3 months ago
@slu2com Joseph is no more from an Israelite people than George Bush.
Again.How do you know that.
Didnt god promise Abraham that his seed would be spread amongst ALL NATIONS that ALL NATIONS would be blessed?Right?Thats what LDS believe.God did spread them all over the world.And not just to one small group of african people.If you wanna believe that then you go right ahead.
The BoM is a history of one of those Iraelite tribes.The tribe of Joseph.Thus fulfilling Biblical prophecy.Simple
jferristube 3 months ago
@jzwillows In order to believe that, you have to believe it was translated from gold plates and not made up by a groups of upstate New Yorkers.
GmaM11 8 months ago
Why are the scientific truths that support the Book of Mormon (B of M) not shown? Why claim the evidence validates the Bible but not B of M. If so please provide the DNA evidence validating the link between the African, Asian & European races of today to Adam & Eve - a paradox. DNA research on the earliest man disproves the Bible more assuredly than DNA evidence “disproves” the B of M; this has resulted in some Christians discarding a literal belief in Christ as he believed in Adam & Eve.
jzwillows 11 months ago
@jzwillows DNA is very historically precise. I mean if you go back far enough we are ALL Africans. Making the ban against blacks in the LDS priesthood invalid for 150 years of practice. Heck if you look at the Lemba in South Africa, they have always claimed to be from the priestly tribes of the Israelites, and science has determined beyond any doubt that indeed these folks (The Lemba) are in fact from the High Priest tribes of the Israelites.
slu2com 11 months ago
@slu2com DNA use is as accurate as the ox plowing the field. It has the same limitations. It has to be used properly. Although from another view point, it is a very accurate tool when used by the Devil & atheists on the gullible to destroy their belief in the scripture's account of man's origin - I suspect more effective at this today than the theory of organic evolution.
jzwillows 11 months ago
@slu2com Yup!!! Does anyone really think Yeshua (Jesus) was a blond, blue-eyed, white-skinned Norseman? He was dark-skinned....perhaps not "black" but his great-great..........grandmother was an Ethopian! A bunch of smart replies. My BIG issue is cultural. If the BoM came out of Israel, it would reflect the Torah-centered culture of the OT. BoM is n.o.t.h.i.n.g like Torah. none, nana, nill, ZERO Not the same language or culture. Mormonism is riddled with the occult.
GmaM11 8 months ago
@slu2com Yea and science says we descend from Apes.In some cases that may well be true lol
jferristube 5 months ago
@slu2com (The Lemba) are in fact from the High Priest tribes of the Israelites.
So what does that mean for you then Slu?
jferristube 3 months ago
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CounterCultureLives 11 months ago
So, let's see.............some elephants lived on Wrangel Island..... Northeast of SIBERIA?? Okay!! There are penguins at The North Pole...... so,while it doesn't PROVE that there were penguins in Central America it SHOULD HAVE BEEN EXPECTED. It COULD HAVE BEEN that there were penguins in Central America during the time of the Jeradites. Got it!!
CounterCultureLives 11 months ago
@CounterCultureLives Now, spare me the bit about how penguins are found at the South Pole, not The North Pole......... I stared at the magic rocks in my hat, and I've PRAYED about it, my heavenly parents confirmed it, so I have a Burning in the Bosom, and yes, a TRUE TESTIMONY that there ARE penguins at the North Pole.
CounterCultureLives 11 months ago
@CounterCultureLives Maybe Gas-X will help with the burning . I guess I won't be of much help on the rest of it. I do wonder though if penguins are good on the BBQ ?
123itisfree 11 months ago
@123itisfree I stared at the magic rocks in my hat, and my heavenly parents told me that the Nephite (fair, white, & delightsome) Penguins are sacred, and are not to be touched. As for the cursed "Lamanite" penguins at the South Pole?? I'm not sure, but given that they are of dark skin, an idle species of penguins, filled with mischief?? Maybe, but there's probably a lot of fat on them!!
CounterCultureLives 11 months ago
@CounterCultureLives U come up with all kinds of excuses, u cant fool me, i've explained myself very clear, the problem here is u, u r one of those kinds of people who needs a lot of repentance to do, i know the church is true, the Book of Mormon is the word of God period. get over it, u r very deceiving&betraying, that will never work with people like me, theres no other gospel, (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints is the only true gospel. u have the choice.
CWMaua12 11 months ago
@CWMaua12 So, I take it from your answer you have nothing in the way of substance to bring to the discussion. Your rush to judgment, combined with your refusal (born of inability) to address scientific realms & evidences only serves to make my points for me. Thank you.
CounterCultureLives 11 months ago
@CounterCultureLives
The scientific realm you so eagerly hold to says we all evolved from Apes as well. And science says and shows all the proof and evidence that we did indeed come from apes.Its been proven.I take it you believe in evolution?
jferristube 5 months ago
@jferristube If you believe that God created The Heavens and The Earth, then you must concede that the sciences that govern the order of the universe, Earth, and lifeforms are also manifestations of god. Science clearly supports the belief that man evolved from more primitive life forms. Given that we share so much of our DNA with apes clearly supports that. Sorry, (NOT!!) I'm not willing to abandon scientific evidences to buy into "The talking Snake" theory.
CounterCultureLives 5 months ago
@CounterCultureLives good on you.Stick to your science.All good.
jferristube 5 months ago
@jferristube Yeah,, who needs the sciences when we have a "profit" who stared at magic rocks in his hat!! LOLOLOLOL!!!
CounterCultureLives 5 months ago
@CounterCultureLives Yea youdaman.Who needs prophets?Ill take your word and the word of science over ansers to prayer from god thru the power of the HG over the arm of the flesh any day. NOT! Again you have not givn proof of anythin youv said on here and your the scientist.lol
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CounterCultureLives 11 months ago
Simon Southerton said, theres a main problem with the word of God, which is the Book of Mormon, its not that theres a problem with the Book of Mormon, is him(Simon) thats having a problem in his life, which is, his lack of knowledge, refused to repent of some sort that i'm not sure about, but, probably, racist could be another one or maybe pride, i'm not sure, like i said repeatedly. He need to examine himself before its too late.
CWMaua12 11 months ago
@CWMaua12 Once again, CWMaua12, you engage in your unfounded judgments based in ignorance. So, dr. Southernton suddenly goes from being a Mormon Bishop, to "lacking knowledge"??
Once again, we see the unadulterated hypocrisy of Mormonism and Mormons. Mormons are the first to engage in personal attacks and unfounded judgments of their detractors, but are the first to whine about dissenters of LDS being "attackers" and being" judgmental".
CounterCultureLives 11 months ago
@CounterCultureLives Yes, Simon Southerton is absolutely lacking knowledge and very, very, deceitful, his wasting his time, some sort of wickedness like, racist, its contain with hatred, also, some kind of abominable things, his thoughts are corrupted, unclean heart, it could be any negative thoughts, but, yes, his ignorant like you and everybody including myself in some certain things in life, but, my history, im very well knowledgable and well aware of it.so,tell me wat u know bout my culture
CWMaua12 11 months ago
@CWMaua12 Nice little rhetorical rant, completely void of substance. Such a typical Mormon response. "Your culture" isn't the issue here; quit trying to sidestep the issues at hand.
Now, let's get down to specific issues.Dr. Southernton has discussed his issues with BoM in detail, both in his writings, and in numerous Y/T vids. Now, please offer a rebuttal based upon scientific information which can be objectively reviewed and critically scrutinized.
CounterCultureLives 11 months ago
@CounterCultureLives Theres no other gospel, Our Heavenly Parents restored their church back on earth, which is (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints). The Book of Mormon is the word of God. and, im not sidestepping the issue, when it comes to cultures,traditions,languages, theres lots of similarities, on israel,arab,asian,native americans&the islands, i repeat, The Book of Mormon is indeed, the word of God, period. U need a lot of repentance to do.
CWMaua12 11 months ago
@CounterCultureLives You're not doing LDS any favors by engaging in rhetoric, void of substance, but you make my work soooo much easier!! We live in an age of information technology, and LDS is clearly struggling with the battles of sound scientific research, as well as the ability to obtain and share information that will withstand objective review & critical scrutiny. Truth welcomes scrutiny & challenge. Now, LDS is struggling to battle with the sobering realities that discredit BoM 7&LDS.
CounterCultureLives 11 months ago
@CounterCultureLives
When the Pharisees tried to trap Christ with deceit and trickery He at times did not/would not answer them. Why? Christ never tried to prove anything with science.He didnt need to as His Kingdom is Not of this world and Is certainly not reliant on the "Wisdom" of man as the scriptures say for mans "wisdom"is foolishness before Him.Simple.:) and no we do not struggle with your scientific research. We trust not in the arm of flesh but in Christ to do our bidding.All good
jferristube 5 months ago
@jferristube Though you claim that LDS does not struggle with the sciences, the truth is quite the opposite. That's why LDS apologists trip over their own shoelaces in their attempts to offer some plausible evidence to support BoM. Of course, even a little legitimate research exposes the lack of credibility of FARMS, FAIRLDS, and other LDS Shillsters, Inc. Legitimate challenges by Mormons are not tolerated by LDS, Inc.But, who needs the sciences when you have a nice, warm, fuzzy testiphony??
CounterCultureLives 5 months ago
@CounterCultureLives Ya dont need FARMS to show the BoM spoke of great civilisations existing in the Americas.Its all common knowledge now.He wrote of greqat civilisations when they still lay buried or undiscoverd.Nothing was known of these great peoples when he wrote of them.We dont need scientific proof of anything we believe.
jferristube 5 months ago
@jferristube You don't need scientific evidences to support The Book of Mormon because scientific research, objective review, and critical analysis can not co-exist with the writings of The Book of Mormon. To say that "nothing was known of these great peoples when he (SmYth) wrote of them is not true. Granted, not as much was known about them, and SmYth obviously knew nothing about them...... that's why he got the sciences all wrong.
CounterCultureLives 5 months ago
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CounterCultureLives 5 months ago
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@jferristube Your IQ has declined about 26+ points since yesterday. Of course, ancient civilizations in Central / South America existed, moron!! The Mayans, the Aztecs, Mestizos, to mention a few; and yes, there histories were known at the time SmYth concocted BoM, although more is known about them now.
Having made that clear, there were no "Jeradites", Lamanites, or Nephites.
CounterCultureLives 5 months ago
@CounterCultureLives your statemnt is one big fat lie lol
jferristube 5 months ago
@jferristube Oh, really?? I challenge you to disprove anything I've stated. Please be specific. You're childish rants. all lacking in specifics or substance,l only serve to illuminate you foolishness and unbridled ignorance.
CounterCultureLives 5 months ago
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@CounterCultureLives
I say nothing was known of them when he wrote of them.And then you turn around and say they were known of and at the same time say they did not exist.The BoM is false?Make up ur mind.
jferristube 5 months ago
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@CounterCultureLives that's why he got the sciences all wrong.
And what science did Joseph get all wrong?Geeeez I didnt even realise he was a scientist as well.Its amazing how much knowledge you have of Joseph and none of it is worth a dime lol
jferristube 3 months ago
@CounterCultureLives and critical analysis can not co-exist with the writings of The Book of Mormon.
Give me just one example of your Scientific Analysis that goes totally AGAINST the BoM in the light of your scientific Analysis.Betta still.Show me how really intelligent you are by giving me 6 examples of such.Canya do that?Ther must be tons of science prooving the BoM false if it IS indeed false.Especially if he made it all up.Now thats Unbelievable
jferristube 3 months ago
@CounterCultureLives you give nothn of substanc on this forum either.You just spout opinions and have not given evidence that the BoM is false lol
jferristube 5 months ago
@jferristube All one need do is scroll down and read the discourses; the shallowness of your postings are clear to anyone with an IQ over 65.
CounterCultureLives 5 months ago
@CounterCultureLives Like Ive said.Back up what you say is true with evidence other than just spouting off your own Opinions and strait out lies hahahahaha
jferristube 5 months ago
@jferristube This will clearly be beyond you level to comprehend, but astrophysicist believe "The Star of Bethlehem" to be an alignment of planets and constellations. The three strongest possibilities are:
Feb. 20, 6 B.C. Mars, Jupiter &Saturn aligned in the constellation Pisces.
April 17, 6 B.C. When the sun, moon, Jupiter, & Saturn aligned in the constellation Aries while Venus & Mars were in neighboring constellations.
-June 17, 2 B.C., when Jupiter and Venus were closely aligned in Leo.
CounterCultureLives 5 months ago
@CounterCultureLives
see here ya go making judgmnt on my comprehension level of which you know nothing.And you say you deal in facts?lol And anyone reading our conversation will see clearly that your the idiot.lmao Hav a good day. :o)
jferristube 5 months ago
@jferristube See?? Here YOU go again, proving me to be correct in my observations of you!! ;o)
CounterCultureLives 5 months ago
@jferristube Now that we've got that out of the way...
*Go find a dictionary; it's a big book with many words and definitions. You can find one at your local library.
*Once you located a dictionary, ask the librarian how to use it. I'm sure she'll be glad to help you.
*Then, look up the words "alignment", "astronomy", astrophysicist", "constellation", and "planet".
*Now, go study those words in an encyclopedia. The Librarian can help you with that, too.
*Try to comprehend what you're reading.
CounterCultureLives 5 months ago
@CounterCultureLives *Now, go study those words in an encyclopedia. The Librarian can help you with that, too.
And how is studying the words in a library gonna scientifically prove to me that the bible is true or the parts you accept as true is based on fact.Clown
Anyone with half a brain wud know doing what ya say here is not gonna prove your whole stupid dumbass argument now is it!And you think your the cleva one hahahahahaha Clown.Ya crack me up.The more ya open IT the more stupid ya look
jferristube 3 months ago
@CounterCultureLives
Abraham was promised that his seed would be scattered among all nations that all nations may be blessed.The Ten tribes?Who are they?Where were they scattered to?
jferristube 5 months ago
@jferristube I'm probably not the best person to answer that question. (or I may be the best person to answer your question!!) I'm not a Christian. One of the main reasons I renounced Christianity was that I came to see Abraham as a demented soul, not a prophet. If you believe The Bible to be infallible, (which it clearly is not) then Abraham was a f&#@ed up soul who should have kept his d!c in his pants, not a "prophet".
CounterCultureLives 5 months ago
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@CounterCultureLives The Bible to be infallible, (which it clearly is not) then Abraham was a f&#@ed up soul who should have kept his d!c in his pants, not a "prophet".
Just interested to know why ya think that way?So you gave up on Christianity bcos of Abraham?Interesting...
jferristube 3 months ago
@CounterCultureLives ther are geneticists who refute his claims and his findings.Look it up
jferristube 5 months ago
@jferristube Oh, really?? Provide some specifics. Names, curriculum vitae, (another term for you to look up) the studies conducted and research papers produced, and the findings colleagues who conducted peer reviews. That ought to keep you busy for a while. The library (that's a big building with many books, including dictionaries and encyclopedias) should open Monday morning, usually about 9:00a.m.
CounterCultureLives 5 months ago
I thank my Heavenly Parents I'm a member of Their true church, which is, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints. The Book of Mormon is the word of God period. Simon Southerton have a problem in his life, not the true church or the Book of Mormon. Simon Southerton needs to be reconcile with our Heavenly Parents. and i'm not sure what his problem is, only our Heavenly Parents know it.
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Outlaw1257 1 year ago
I think another strong argument is the Kings English in large passages that were obviously plagarized almost verbatim from the King James Bible. I don't believe that the Shephardic Jews from the first dyspora would have spoke the Kings English.
aimeecurry46 1 year ago
@aimeecurry46
man yuve let the cat out.Yuv just shown ur ignorance lol
jferristube 5 months ago
@jferristube Really tell me have you been through the endowment ceremony? Did you put on the masonic 'apprentice' apron of the high priesthood of lucifer did you go into the lone and dreary world and kneel down if front of Cain's unacceptable offering he made to God that God rejected as though you were wanting to make the same sacrifice and be rejected by God as well. When you called out 3 times to the 'god' of the Mormon temple was it not Lucifer who answered your call???
aimeecurry46 3 months ago
@aimeecurry46 Why are you even trying to deceive others into thinking that LDS are christians? Your own President has admitted that the 'jesus' that LDS worship is not the same "Jesus" That the rest of Christianity worships. Also Bishop Glen L. Pace's internal memo was leaked over 20 years ago and posted in the Salt Lake City Newspaper. Speaking of all of the Satanic Ritual Abuse that was taking place in the Salt Lake City temple.
aimeecurry46 3 months ago
@aimeecurry46 Here's a quote from President Benson 'There are wolves in sheeps clothing wearing the mantle of the priesthood' Here's a quote from Spencer Kimball " Brethern why are we not being persecuted? I'll tell you why were not being persecuted we have been infiltrated from within to the very highest levels." Coincidentally Spencer Kimball's daughter and husband had one of the Satanic Covens that one of the Glen L. Pace victims testified to being abused by!
aimeecurry46 3 months ago
@aimeecurry46 And your point is?
jferristube 3 months ago
@aimeecurry46 Glen L. Pace victims testified to being abused by
Again more unsubstantiated accusations.No conclusive evidence aftr full investigations.Are ther members who do Not follow church teachings and practice such evils?You bet and theyre eventually found out,excommunicated,leave freely and or become Apostate.It is Apostates who actively go about to destroy as this man Shaun does.But it aint gonna happn.Were here to stay.And it mattereth not what our dissenters say or accuse us of.Simple.
jferristube 3 months ago
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@aimeecurry46 Why are you even trying to deceive others into thinking that LDS are christians?
LDS not tryin to deceive anyone on that point at all.We do not follow the christ that your christianity follows.We claim to follow the Christ preached in the Bible Not Your "Interpretation" of the Biblical Christ.
And your claim of satanic rituals in the temple?Wher do you get that info.Wikipedia?
jferristube 3 months ago
@aimeecurry46 Why are you even trying to deceive others into thinking that LDS are christians?
Were not tryin to deceive anyone.Like the prophet said.We just dont believe your interpretation on many points of doctrine and probably most importantly.The nature of Christ and the Father.The basics are the same. The world of Christianity itself does Not even agree with itself on many points.Put 2 clergy of any "Christian"sect in a room and they wont agree on evrything now will they!Whose right???
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@aimeecurry46 Why are you even trying to deceive others into thinking that LDS are christians?
And how are we trying to "deceive" people on that point?
jferristube 3 months ago
@aimeecurry46 Speaking of all of the Satanic Ritual Abuse that was taking place in the Salt Lake City temple.
Nope your wrong.There were accusations of such just as you continue to acuse us now of Satan worship in our temples Acusing us of devil worship and all sorts of evil since the very day Joseph walked out of that sacred grove.
You n your kind are the deceivers.Remember?The pit they dig for others shall they themselves fall into.Thats what yu love to do now isnt it. Dig a pit nd condemn
jferristube 3 months ago
@jferristube Why don't you try to sell you brooklyn bridge to someone that wasn't one of the afore mentioned victims. You are such a liar! I'm so glad I saw the light and got out of that Luciferian Cult!
aimeecurry46 3 months ago
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@aimeecurry46 You are such a liar!
And what exactly is it I lied about?
Your a victim of what exactly.Youll have to refresh my memory of what Ive said that is a lie.Sorry if i offended.
jferristube 3 months ago
@aimeecurry46 Did you put on the masonic 'apprentice' apron of the high priesthood of lucifer
So you know all about satans priesthood?Have you done your endowment work?
Your the expert you tell me.lol
jferristube 3 months ago
@aimeecurry46 Really tell me have you been through the endowment ceremony?
Why do you ask?Have you?I would say you have Not and if you have then your one of the many Apostates Pres Benson spoke of. Wolves amongst the Flock.It happened while Christ and the ancient apostles/prophets walked the earth and it happens today.Satan's been tryin to destroy the Lords work since Adam n Eve and continues today.He only seeks to destroy Truth as you try to with your misrepresentations and that IS the Truth.
jferristube 3 months ago
@jferristube Read my 3 posts below.
aimeecurry46 3 months ago
@aimeecurry46 obviously plagarized almost verbatim from the King James Bible
I think at least hope you have more intelligence than displayed in your statement
jferristube 3 months ago