Fiona Apple - Red, Red, Red (unreleased version)

[KGmeatball]

I like this version better- shes the real deal

[nattxyz]

I actually like the album version of this song better. Don't get me wrong, they're both good, and they both have their unique approach. But the album version sounds like dark, creeping, aural honey, the vocals on the album stand out more, and I can feel the pain in between the words more viscerally. (Also, what can I say, the album version also got me thru a huge breakup, so I'm partial to it!)

[TheCapitalLetter]

how come the unreleased versions of her songs are so much more intense and better? I cant see how the record company didn't see any hit singles! Brion is as amazing as Fiona, with her and alone.

[mmzHyperion]

THIS IS EXACTLY HOW I FEEL. How do you do it, Fiona?

[pinkipiez]

anyone know where you can get this instrumental?

[dmdiamond220]

the complimentary colors she was talking about in the beginning must have been black and white because they're the only pair of hues that become gray when combined

[allthatjazz567]

I'd really like to meet the genius who thought the album version is better than this . . ..

[inkedk]

@allthatjazz567

That would be Fiona Apple. She chose to remake her album on her own. Sony didn't press her for anything, despite what everyone seems to think. She wasn't satisfied with the instrumentals, and when the album leaked, she remade the album to her liking.

[ellaelise]

@inkedk Not true. Look it up.

[monkeyed]

This version is beautiful, and my favorite. However, If it's going to be this intense:

- Hire a professional full piece orchestra.

- Cut out the creepy wolf howling in the back.

- Improve vocals (obviously)

[NiymbleFingers]

This is music as it should be. As the artist intended.



[RandomNPC15]

@NiymbleFingers She went and redid them for the released versions because she wasn't happy with these. That's a pretty good indicator that this isn't what the artist intended.

[NiymbleFingers]

@RandomNPC15 Or that this album was leaked too soon. It's a good indicator, but not all artists,very few of my favorite, aren't as fortunate as Fiona to release music they intended without the album being shelved, or leaving the label and going independent. Either way this version of Red Red Red in my worthless opinion, is superior.

[NiymbleFingers]

@NiymbleFingers Brion's brilliant.

[ellaelise]

@RandomNPC15 That's not true. The RECORD COMPANY was unhappy with these- they couldn't find an instant single. But her fans demanded the album be released, so they agreed to let her re-record it with a new producer. She has said she prefers the Jon Brion version herself.

[11tube11]

SO MUCH BETTER than the retail version...! She should always work with Jon Brion....

[12345random67890]

This is one of the only songs on the album that I don't like. Then I heard this version and just went "WHAT?!? Why did they mess with this?!"

Absolutely brilliant.

[russianspygirl82]

i hate the album version of this song :( wish they had left it alone

[AndyWitmyer]

This puts the released version to absolute shame.  The song, in this incarnation, is absolute art - darker and claustrophobic and horrifying. Bleak, lush, bright and in languishing tones. Like my head on the best sort of drug, heading towards a beautiful trainwreck.

[floatingtrains]

Just heard the other version now, and THIS one is SO much better.

[gaywizzard86]

I adore these demos - partly because they're much angrier than the finished songs on the album.

[whathoney73]

Happy Birthday Fiona!

[Appleholic1]

The more I listen to this song the more i fuckin love it and her...you know just who I mean....her...the one.....her....Fiona.

[whathoney73]

Extraordinary.....this song is so....Fiona.

[MegaWhiner]

This stuff would have gone over very well when me and my friends was young. LSD trip.

[exheartoh08]

I love the theatrical component to the unreleased album... it seems so much more like artistry. Fiona is a lot of gorgeous, deep, complex things, but primarily she's an artist.

[sorcerer1975]

i love the entire unreleased version of extraordinary machine rather than the released version. an amazing album from an amazing artist ...

[NightinGal89]

wait a sec..I downloaded her album and this is the version I got on it. Is there a creepier version?

[ravenharlow]

I have to say I love the album version of this album instead as oppose to this demo. The album version has a very dark gothic atmosphere feeling to it.

[CRAWLiNGCELLULiTE]

Does anyone know where I can download this version of the song??

[tysonbfrance]

this version wasn't mixed well at all and i don't think it had the emotional impact she wanted it to have. i mean, when i downloaded it, the only words i could understand clearly were "KILL KILL KILL" and i thought she had gone insane.

[TheRealJMarkJohns]

"and i thought she had gone insane." - tysonbfrance

Thought? Gone?

Her madness is her melody, and I love everything she writes for it.

[dapeyr]

This version is the best

[dapeyr]

@dapeyr in París 2006, is the good version too.

[lunaangel56]

I like the re-worked version better.

[nnao1976]

um....sorry, I love almost everything this girl does but..... Have to say that the released version had its reason to be released.

The emotional intensity of the song is so much more enhanced by the "tidy, calm,polished" album version. I usually don't put up comments like this but I wonder if you REALLY "hear" what she has to say.

[DaZoneRanger]

For this track, I prefer the released version.

[L0un9ePunk]

i can see why they scrapped this one

[hygienestudent]

is it just me...but everytime hear this and used to love him...i think of halloween. haha. it just sounds so haunting. :D

[FromIsraelWithLove]

She is so tense and so real... I don't know how to describe this girl, she just blows me away with her unending talent!

[suspendedfromthemoon]

I like that the original says "Maybe I wouldn't listen to so much of you" whereas the released one says "Maybe I wouldn't think so much of you"... both songs are so different, even though they're the same song. How odd

[andrea111292]

Gonna make a mistake....

Oh wait....it's red red red!

[floatingtrains]

Can you say powerful? Haunting, beautiful, and a melody. All in one. I love Fiona.

[mantlepicture]

The original album was so much better than the released version. The released one is way over-produced... it lost all its soul.

[FushiOsaka]

Really? To me this version is really interesting, but also extremely self-indulgent. It's good that she takes risks, but at the same time it can be alienating or not that rewarding to listen to. Like with Not About Love, it's musically a lot more interesting but on a plain enjoyability rating it's work to listen to because it's so dense and hard to grab onto.

[FushiOsaka]

I like both versions of her album for different reasons; on an experimental, growing sense I enjoy this version, but as a performer I enjoy the other version.

That being said Tymps is the one song I can say is hands-down better in the unreleased version than the album simply because of the clinky percussion on the beginning.

(Sorry I took two posts, haha.)

[kiwiaka2]

Defo better than the album version as far as i'm concerned... It's not the anger that does it for me. This version is just more interesting, more engaging.. I work in the audio industry and i know they could have cleaned up the vocals if that was the issue.. My impression is that Fiona herself or her sales people didnt approve this.. Someone prolly thought that this approach wasnt fitting for fiona's image and went ahead and sanitized it. Too bad! dont get me wrong the album version s good but..

[Neopluto]

The background takes a lot away from her voice, which is regrettable.

[sleaze4ever]

i guess i'm the only one who enjoys the official release better. these versions have waaaay too much going on musically...it takes away from the vocals, which is why we tune in to her.

[iamthecomeback]

I think they both speak to different emotions. This has a harder, upset, rough-around-the-edges feel, but the album version stands as such a haunting song with its feeling of resignation. I've never thought this song was supposed to be an angsty anthem. Don't get me wrong, this version is sweet! I like the album accompaniment better because it is so subdued. When she sings "there's nothing else I can do" it feels that way - complacent, tired, and withdrawn.

[cartmanschick88]

Fuck - this version is way better. I like the album version, but this one's way more ominous and powerful.

[plumevine]

This version is far more tragic and intense, I love the howls in the background..

[xtraordinarymachine0]

I like this version too but I love the released version. I can hear her voice so much better in the released and it makes the song a bit more sullen and I like that.

[cefamo2spaghetti]

this is so better than the official one. this is so strong and passionate... the official one is too mellow...

[AdamsApple1963]

Fiona Apple is living proof that there is still some decent music out there...you just gotta follow your heart and not the Top 40.

[gekrepten]

this song is exactly how i feel right now

[funkate86]

SHIT, this version is so intense it makes me wanna scream! aaaaaargh, sooo amazing !

[SnotRockets55]

Her voice gets lost, you guys? I can hear her just fine lmao. I like all the vocal effects, the over-the-top, overwrought strings and stuff, the darkness, what sounds like a barking dog or wolf (lol) in the background. I like that the vocals on the song aren't as perfect as on the released version. The released version is all tidy and calm,polished, but it bores me in all honesty. This song sounds like my head works, if that makes any sense - it's like hearing my thought process in musical form.

[Phazonin]

I feel exactly the same. This is gonna be a bit embarrassing for me to say, but I always thought this was the released version. I just heard the CD version and I'm like what the hell? It's so... unremarkable. This version has remained with me ever since I first heard it back in 2006. I actually might have heard the CD version since then but it's so forgettable that it just got lost in my mind. :-p Jon Brion gives life to Fiona's music.

[Alec0209]

completely agree with that...it's how my head works too. when i hear her music i get like so edged up, idk what it is...but i love love love this version...idk WHY they didn't like it...her voice is perfectly fine

[gumbess]

@SnotRockets55 wow snot... lol ur smart! i hear ya ;).

[breezymc21]

@SnotRockets55 Couldn't have said it better myself.

[83RChelsea]

Don't get me wrong, musically the original versions of all these songs are awesomly haunting, the strins are beautiful. However, vocally it lacks. Let's not forget about her amazing voice. Isn't that what we're all slightly more interested in? Don't be so hard on the officially released version.

[83RChelsea]

I meant STRINGS, the STRINGS are haunting.

[sebox]

THANK YOU! her voice gets so lost in these versions. I actually prefer the released Red Red Red, because you can hear all the pasion in her voice. There's no need for super dramatic strings, even though I love them :P

[alyrababy]

I agree...but this versions are more like "less" studio

[JewelAngel]

You have to understand that these versions weren't really completed. They weren't mastered or anything so her vocals are distorted a bit. They stopped production. If they had gone all the way with these...man...I can only dream.

[aoeud]

I much rather prefer the other version. This just doesn't sound good. :(

[stopHAARP]

fiona's voice is plenty spooky already, no need to put owls and howling wolves, silly jon brione!!! fiona's voice is so HAUNTED!!! MY GOD!!!! the girl's possessed!!!! woww!!!

[ImCougarBait]

This version sounds a bit more overdone than on the album. Fiona Apple doesn't need all the pitch shifting and effects on her voice here. I agree with the one the was chosen for the EP

[SnotRockets55]

This s***s all over the version released on the disc. Probably one of my favorite songs...ever.

[HillOverkill]

this version is absolutely amazing :O

[OhLanceDevlin]

I always liked this version better than the one she released.. =/

[potluckyone]

This song is about her boyfriend cheating on her.. and she knew it all along.. So while she is with him she thinks of all the things she is going to do to him.. at first she wants to get even. but then she finds peace... a piece of him.. lol.. the other girl offed the ass.. its what he gets for fucking her friend

[HustonShcarr]

damn, why is this version of this song better than the one before?

[SecularTrend]

Because SONY is a horrible label and represses great music all the fucking time

[dhvrm]

Again, erecting straw men and introducing irrelevancies don't make your limited argument valid. So, since you're incapable of properly framing your own argument, I'll just do it for you.

[janderson2000]

Strawmen/??!?!? Dude, seriously...you're not very bright, and you don't get the whole point of what's going on here. You don't understand things change, and that I can make a better-sounding album in my living room with a computer than the big powerful record labels could in the 70s and 80s... and get instant distrubution as well. SONY will not get away with this crap forever. You are a simpleton, buddy. Your thinking is short-sighted.

[dhvrm]

Argument 3: Sony BMG and its ilk will someday fold as a result of the Internet, its just reward. You later amended this to state that it's only a certainty now that many people have broadband.

Again, laughable on its face. Sony BMG posted a 90 percent profit increase in March 2008, just before the economic crisis. Sony BMG isn't going anywhere, and those who keep saying the Internet will kill it are crying wolf. (Or is that another metaphor that will confuse you?)

[janderson2000]

Yeah, and newspapers will never fail either...and youtube will never take audience away from television either. Empires never fall.

Christ...you're a nimrod.

[dhvrm]

Again, names do not make you right. And your constant introduction of irrelevancies further disproves your argument, which you lost long ago.

[dhvrm]

Do you even know what a straw man is?

[dhvrm]

Argument 2: Record companies have no bearing on the success of artists, including Fiona Apple.

This, too, is laughable on its face. I defy you to describe any of the people playing piano at the Top of the East in Portland, ME. There are several good ones, I can tell you from first-hand experience. None of them are rich and famous, however.

[janderson2000]

They are replaceable and interchangeable. They are not essential. Fiona is essential. Artists are essential. Record companies hold a key to production and distribution that is SHIFTING RAPIDLY...so they are probably acting more dickish now since they know their power and leverage is evaporating.

[dhvrm]

Again, no facts, only feelings; no proof, only ludicrous claims. And more name-calling and cursing.

[dhvrm]

Perhaps you should spend more time thinking before replying. Then you wouldn't need to "fix typos." Making Fiona Apple out to be an incompetent victim who cannot read a contract doesn't do her any favors. Decent people honor the terms of the contracts they sign.

[janderson2000]

Seriously, you're a tool. Complete idiot, and I seriously doubt you're a Fiona Apple fan because you don't sound like you have the brain for it.

[dhvrm]

Again, your name-calling pretty much discounts your entire arguments. My point remains the only valid one waged so far: You don't make deals with the devil, reap the benefits of those deals, then complain that the devil is the devil.

[janderson2000]

Yeah, devil. I get it. devil. devil. devil. great argument.

[dhvrm]

It's a far better argument than the name-calling and cursing you consider valid debate. And until you can come up with a reasonable argument that actually addresses it, your name-calling and cursing pretty much bear it out as true.

[janderson2000]

Already have. You just don't know anything about the historical nature of artists and labels and how difference of opinions are solved by great artists in the past. You just like to oversimplify to a child-like level by calling people the devil, and likening a record contract to selling your soul. It's not clever, it's stupid. And I call you an idiot, as a service to you. Grow a brain and think outside your simple little soundbytes. Sony's ability to destroy art will soon end w/ the net.

[dhvrm]

Try reading before replying. I called Sony the devil. My metaphor is entirely appropriate; that you are incapable of understanding it, yet persist in arguing, speaks volumes about your intellectual capacity. That you don't even see that I agree that Sony is bad further illustrates the banality of your argument, what little there is of it. People who call names and curse aren't being sensible; you lost this argument long ago. Stop now.

[janderson2000]

No, but your deluded mind will allow you to think such. You obviously agree that Sony is fucked but want to find equal guilt in Fiona, and then apparently think everything is futile because we're dealing with the devil here and nobody has any right to be upset that a great piece of art was suppressed and will never see the light of day.

Well, the internet allows it to be heard, and will be the downfall of "the devil" Sony and other parasites that keep down real artists.

[dhvrm]

Fifteen years and counting of people like you saying the Internet will destroy the record companies, but they're still around. Your argument is demonstrably wrong.

Yes, Fiona is as guilty as Sony for her problems with them. She signed the contract. She is bound by its terms. Period.

Nothing is "futile." Honor the terms of the contract as Sony honored their end. Don't complain when the contract isn't going 100 percent your way. That's called being adult and responsible.

[janderson2000]

Once again, I'd respond to correct your lack of facts here, but you're really not worth more than just calling you an idiot. To continue with more than that would send the wrong signal that I actually respect anything you've be able to must for this incredible waste of time. You are a pedantic bore.

[janderson2000]

Oh, and enjoy your "adult and responsible" rock and art that the record companies have in line for your complacent and resigned ass...

[dhvrm]

Your inability to rise to the intellectual challenge, and constant resorting to profanity and name-calling, is unfortunate. However, you will not have the last word, try as you might. One does not make deals with the devil, knowing he is the devil, reap the rewards of the deal, then complain when the devil cashes in on her soul.

[janderson2000]

No, you're just not worth it, trying to get away with saying ridiculous things about the internet being a viable distribution channel for 15 years, when we know broadband is a recent occurrence, and then trying to ignore the independent releases of bands like Fleeting Foxes, and then also ignoring waning record sales each successive year for many years is the only thing that is laughable. You're dead wrong and too fucking stupid to know it. Stupidity is the devil, and you're in his clutches

[dhvrm]

Your attempts to erect straw men and irrelevancies further attest to your complete lack of capacity to either understand my argument or erect a viable one of your own. Rather than calling me names and changing the subject, focus on the point at hand, stop being emotional, concentrate, think, then write.

[janderson2000]

Never changed the subject. You are just an arguer for the sake of arguing. You think just because people have a legal right to act a certain way, that they are justified in doing so. Sony should have told Fiona we don't think this album will sell enough to make it worthwhile for us. If you want to buy out the rights to it, we'll sell it. Instead, they "shelve it" and then make her re-record it. Yes, they had a legal right. No, they were pricks in doing so. Sony is a devil but...

[janderson2000]

...should know that arrogant giants get cut down fast in this new online world. Look at Blockbuster video. Those bastards actually told movie directors they had to cut scenes to be in their stores! Well, guess what happened to them? They're on the brink of bankruptcy...and so will the record companies if they don't stop this kind of bullshit censorship.

[dhvrm]

Argument 1: Sony has no right to exercise its rights of approval and input under a contract signed by a willing, competent coparty.

This is laughable on its face. Each party in a contract is bound by the terms of that contract. You don't get to choose which parts you like and which you don't.

Children whine and complain when they have to do things they don't like. Adults buck up and handle their responsibilities, especially when those responsibilities are explicitly clear and agreed.

[janderson2000]

Argument 1? Talk about setting up a strawman. I said they obviously have a right or else Fiona could sue.  But just because you have a legal right to be unethical doesn't mean you should.

Having fun arguing with your own made-up statements?

[dhvrm]

What does Blockbuster have to do with Sony BMG? Why do you persist on naming everything EXCEPT Sony in your arguments against Sony? Since you don't seem to understand what a "straw man" is, I'll explain it to you in simple terms: If we're talking about Sony BMG, and you introduce Blockbuster Video's totally irrelevant position with film directors, that's a straw man.

[janderson2000]

You're daft. You don't understand the parallels between blockbuster and sony and that's sad. Blockbuster was a powerful distributor of other people's works and made demands on these people. They were arrogant, and now they're going away even though they seemed invincible a short 10 years ago. Blockbuster didn't adapt and technology hastened their downfall. Yes, I know what strawman is. You like to setup them up and knock them down to the point of fabricating them entirely.

[dhvrm]

When Sony owns Blockbuster, what Blockbuster does will apply to Sony. Again, your name-calling, straw men and failure to stick to the point totally discount your arguments. We are talking about whether Fiona Apple was right to complain about an agreement she has with Sony. FOCUS. Stick to the point. Make valid arguments. Stop calling names and cursing. Act like an adult.

[janderson2000]

No, we're talking about a lot more than that but you don't seem aware of it. You're stuck in minutia of a company exercising its legal right to recording contract instead of realizing the other multifold issues at hand here. Goodbye genius.

[dhvrm]

If you're going to use a "big" word, at least know how it's spelled ("minutiae"). You should also know what the word means, as you're the person who started this argument with your three ludicrous points, and is now resorting to discussing everything but those three ludicrous points in defense. And again, the more you call names and act snarky, the less your argument holds water. FOCUS. We are debating a simple thing: Whether Fiona is a crybaby. Stick to the point or shut up.

[janderson2000]

It's called an alternate spelling. maybe you should do some research before you talk. And Fiona isn't whining...her hardcore fans are. And it's not whining; it's lamenting the sad sad sad state of the recording industry and predicting it's going to change so such travesties will be much more rare. Anyway, you're not a Fiona fan. I'm pretty positive about that.

[dhvrm]

It's called "ignorance," which occurs when many people misspell a word to the point the dictionary can no longer ignore their ignorance. And if being a "fan" means flying in the face of common sense, calling people names, cursing and attempting to defend the indefensible, then no, I am not a fan; you certainly are.

[janderson2000]

dictionary?  You mean one like Merriam-Webster? Look it up online, and maybe it will start to dawn on you that you're the ignorant one.

I knew you weren't smart enough to be a Fiona Apple fan.

[dhvrm]

Your predilection for changing the subject, while overwhelming, doesn't make your ludicrous argument valid ... assuming you can even remember the point.

Again, if being foul-mouthed and disrespectful name-caller is the true mark of a Fiona Apple fan, I'm glad to let you be the biggest fan ever, and I'm sure she'd be proud to read what you have written here in her "defense."

[janderson2000]

I'm sure she wouldn't suffer your foolishness as long as I did.

Fuck off douchebag.

[dhvrm]

I am very sure she greatly regrets your misanthropy, sewer mouth and completely ham-fisted attempts to defend the nonsense you proffer on her behalf. It's too bad, because you probably aren't as miserable a person as you make yourself out to be; only when you're matched against someone who is clearly your intellectual superior, who doesn't need to degrade himself by calling names and cursing, do you fall apart and become loathsome, I imagine.

[janderson2000]

Yeah, you are clearly superior at being a douchebag. Please, buy a dictionary, and then get out in the world and realize things aren't so black and white and simple as clauses in contracts. You miss the big picture. You are the target market for MTV, if not in age, in intellect.

[dhvrm]

Again, your inability to defend your nonsense points, your insistence on shifting the argument to anything else, your foul mouth and your insults do nothing to advance your argument or diminish mine. I won't stoop to your level, nor will I allow you the last word. Stop now.

[janderson2000]

You're in over your head, douchebag. You're just too stupid to realize it.

[dhvrm]

Still with the names and cursing. Still no defense for your ludicrous statements.

[dhvrm]

I'll repost your comment since you deleted it:

"No, I called you an idiot because you keep referring to some mythological creature called the devil as if you're advancing some position by doing that. I know Sony did nothing illegal by suppressing the EM project, but they did something unethical, and for that they are assholes. Not devils. Assholes. Get it?"

Again, your name-calling and profanity immediately dismiss your arguments. And if you can't understand metaphors, that's not my problem.

[janderson2000]

No, I understand metaphors. You seem to want to hide behind them and lazily think they're doing the work for you. They're not, unless saying Sony is the devil is just agreeing with me that they're fucked, and a huge problem and cause for our lack of quality music we have today.

Fiona did nothing wrong with signing the contract. She probably expected them to be decent and not overuse and abuse their veto power over her artistic vision. DECENT people part ways when their interests part.

[janderson2000]

I didn't delete it permanently...I fixed a typo.  Calm down.

[amywaz]

I like this version better.

[snuggles1967]

This version is more about Jon than Fiona...it's over produced and she's lost in it.

[janderson2000]

No, that's complete bullshit.  That's like saying Beatles' albums are more about George Martin. SONY fucked Fiona with Extraordinary Machine. They made her abandon the original masterpiece.

[ericfreak67]

Untrue. in iTunes originals w/ Fiona, she explains it was her decision to re-do the entire album. She said that it didn't meet her original expectation and that why's she decided to do it all over again and Sony stubbornly agreed.

[janderson2000]

No...that's the bullshit cover-up story. Research it and you won't believe that lie. Even the lyrics to Please Please Please tell the real story.

[ericfreak67]

Okay. I relistened to the track on the iTunes Originals w/ Fiona. She says that she was rushed into recording her songs and she didn't know what she liked/didn't like. After awhile, she decided just to quit after Sony wanted her to make more(implying they didn't like them). After a few months, they let her re-record the album. That's the story told by Fiona Apple herself. Anything else is bullcrap.

[janderson2000]

You're getting closer. Fiona is just stretching the truth to avoid talking bad about Sony. You don't really think she chose to work with Eminem's producer instead of her long time musical soul-mate and partner Jon Brion, do you?

[ericfreak67]

You're right, she didn't saying anything about choosing the new producer in the track. She didn't say anything about disliking him either, though. I hope her next album doesn't have so much controversy like this one..

[janderson2000]

I hope she has another album. She almost quit music because of how Sony treated her. The only reason she came back was because of the FreeFiona movement.

[dhvrm]

I don't think you get to agree to the sharecropping that makes you rich and famous, then complain about the landlord, especially when he wants you to grow the stuff that sells well. You sell your soul to the devil, you need to suffer the consequences -- especially when it's no mystery he's the devil.

[janderson2000]

All lthey had to do was release her from her contract and she could have shopped the original Extraordinary Machine to another label that would be happy with the product. SONY is evil.

[dhvrm]

Again, you don't get to have your soul back if you sold it to the devil, just because you figured out he's the devil.

[janderson2000]

lol yep....They made an 18-year-old girl sign her artistic life away back in 1996

[dhvrm]

And she got rich and famous and to live a life she never could have had otherwise. And THEN Sony became the devil. Once again, you don't sell your soul to the devil, then complain when you discover he's the devil -- especially when you knew he was the devil. Or are you suggesting that Fiona Apple is a moron?

[janderson2000]

She got rich and famous because of her talent and hard work, and not for anything a parasitic record company did. She went into business with human beings, not the devil and she should expect them to act decent when their interests diverge. If Sony wasn't ran by assholes, they would have let her leave and the world would have heard the original artistic vision for Extraordinary Machine. Don't blame Fiona, and don't excuse Sony. There not the devil, just artless assholes.

[dhvrm]

She got rich and famous because she had a record deal. Your revisionism is laughable. If you do deals with the devil, you can't then complain that he's the devil. I realize that's probably too simple a concept for you to grasp, but there it is.

[janderson2000]

Yeah, right. They're the devil. LMAO. Quit being an idiot. And why aren't you famous if all you need is a record contract? Shut the fuck up and quit defending the philistines at Sony who don't value their artists and are destined to lose them as alternative means of production pop up all over the place. They're days of making people sign exclusive multi-record deals are numbered.

[dhvrm]

That you have reverted to calling me names pretty much proves your point is invalid. That you are incapable of understanding simple analogies also pretty much proves you can't argue your point in the face of logic. Your use of profanity speaks volumes about your intellectual honesty. Perhaps you should remain silent. The facts remain: She signed the record contract. She understood what it said. That she didn't like it, especially after she reaped its rewards, is her problem.

[dhvrm]

Again, more insults. At least you're back on topic, but still a foul mouth. Exercising their rights to the product they contracted to have at the time they expected it to be delivered is not acting unethically. Apple suggesting that Sony somehow placed undue pressure on her to produce what she was contracted to produce in the manner she was contracted to produce it is unethical.

[janderson2000]

You have no point other than Sony acted within their legal right...which has never, ever been refuted at any point. You are of absolutely zero value.

[dhvrm]

Once again, you're not paying attention. My point is not that Sony acted within their rights. It's that Fiona Apple, or her fans, or whomever you claim at the moment is doing the complaining, has no right to complain about the parts of a contract they don't like, especially when they don't care to give up the things they do like. Again, FOCUS. Stop making things up. Stop with your emotional outbursts. READ. THINK. THEN REPLY.

[janderson2000]

Yes, Fiona and her fans should all be very grateful to Sony for being so aggressive in exercising their contractual rights to the detriment of art. Of course they could have been more hands off with someone as brilliant as Fiona but then they wouldn't motivate bands such as Radiohead to completely bypass them and do their own releases. Nah, they'd rather foolishly put their noses in artistic matters & thus destroy the output & musical history for all of posterity. Well, there time will come.

[dhvrm]

Children complain when they need to live up to responsibilities they don't like. Adults do the things they have to do, especially when they've gotten what they want. Again, you need to stop dragging in side issues and focus on what is at hand: If Fiona Apple leaves Sony, she can do as she likes. While she is under contract, the adult thing to do is do as she has promised to do. Neither she, nor you, nor anyone else, has a right to bitch about it.

[janderson2000]

Sure do...and being vocal about things like this are what you call bad PR for Sony. You're the only one who's thinking in childish black/white terms to the letter of the law. Maybe you ought to research artist/label relationships in the past to know what conflicts there have been and how they're resolved. This type of heavy-handed, strict veto over the music and holding someone contractually hostage is not unprecedented, but it sure is an extreme route they chose to take...it's just bad PR.

[dhvrm]

I agree completely that Sony doesn't look good in this situation. I'm intimately familiar with the fact that many artists are unhappy with their contracts; but in every single case, they had ample opportunity to read the contract, understand its terms, seek advice and refuse to sign. Getting the benefits, then complaining about the responsibilities you don't like, is childish. As bad as Sony looks, so too does Apple and those who feel she's somehow being abused.

[janderson2000]

We are all abused when art is suppressed, and when labels dumb-down the culture and underestimate the population by thinking that all they can put out is Britney Spears/Katey Perry pop crap or that they need to have somebody like Fiona be produced by a rap producer. Doesn't matter...they are becoming less and less relevant everyday. All you need is a website to sell to people now. Their stranglehold will be lifted. Their exclusive,multi-album veto-power contracts will be things of the past.

[dhvrm]

I agree with this 100 percent.

[angelxwingz]

this version is far superior

[venusknife]

much better than the released version!

[racheljb999]

I think this version is amazing. As is Ms Apple. x

[rocknfuckenroll]

Folks can say what they want about the other unreleased versions, but this one most certainly tickles a slippery scrote. I mean for God's sake man, TURN OFF THE VOCAL REVERB! You're gonna give people an epileptic fit! It sounds kind of like Jon Brion had a brain haemorrhage and started pressing buttons at random. Ok that's a bit cruel. But anyway I think the other unreleased versions are mostly nice, even if this one sounds like the soundtrack to a 50's slasher flick.