The argument about McDonald's is a waste of time. You aren't going to undue the myth that McDonand's got ripped off. So be smart. Say of course that case was a scam by one lawyer and your cases aren't that kind. Explain to your next jury that unlike the McDonald's hot coffee case, your client was very seriously injured.
@schreyermike we're very familiar with John Edwards' strategy with his juries and David Ball's ideas about the McDonald's case. And for the most part we agree, when it comes to trial tactics.
But in terms of public dialogue, completely ignoring the case or lying about the facts can't really be the answer.
I do not agree that any efforts to overcome the public image of that case will bear any fruit whatsoever. It is urban legend. It will not die a natural death.
Frivolous lawsuits are NOT myths. They are a very real and the are hurting this country. Example: A thief broke into a woman's home and got cut on one of her knives and sued her and won. If that isn't just an example of stupid people on a jury I don't know what is.
Nice movie, but I have two problems: Although the number of malpractice lawsuits have gone down, the likelihood of a doctor being sued has gone up, and this is why malpractice insurance rates are rising and why healthcare cots so much- doctors have to do more tests than they normally would to insure they can't get sued. In regards to the McDonald's case, the fact is that it was coffee, and coffee is supposed to be hot. So even if it's not 180 degrees that does't mean you can be careless with it.
In the McDonald's case, they knew their coffee had caused injuries and refused to change the temperature settings in their stores. Then, this woman is burned, suffers severe injury to her groin and is hospitalized for seven days. McD's refused to settle for less.
McDonalds was negligent and got what it deserved.
So-called ambulance chasers are the most ethical lawyers out there. It's the big business lawyers who file the frivolous lawsuits... tort reform will do nothing to curb that.
The whole idea of McDonald's being at fault for idiots hurting themselves drinking coffee, coffee is hot, this is a known fact, wether you put a retarded warning on the cup or not, its steaming hot coffee we all know that, and anyone with half a brain knows to be careful, sing the company that makes your coffe hot because you spilled it on yourself, is pathetic.
And McDonalds knew their coffee was not just hot, but TOO hot. So hot to cause serious injuries requiring skin grafts. That's not normal coffee hot, that's negligently hot. Others were injured before, and they refused to change.
Are you seriously suggesting that someone who handed you a "beverage" that was hot enough to burn the skin off of your genitals shouldn't be liable?
When do you suggest that McD's should take responsibility for its own actions?
They made it that temperature so it would stay hot longer, and as i said before regardless of excatly how scolding hot the coffee was(any coffee when you get it will severely burn you) it is common sense to be careful. Thats like suing a blowtorch company when your hand slipped and burned yourself, those products can be dangerous and you know it, and if you buy it you know to be careful. Thats like suing someone for giving you a soup which you spilled on yourself, its ridiculous.
The problem with you analysis is that coffee is FOOD. It is not an inherently dangerous product like a blowtorch, nor is it reasonable for a consumer to expect that the product would have that danger. Some food can be dangerous, like the danger of biting into a pearl when you eat a clam. Consumers know there might be a pearl in a clam, so it's up to the consumer to be careful. Consumers don't have to expect that there is a blowtorch-equivalent in their coffee.
Wow it appears you missed my point, coffee is dangerous, though not as dangerous as a blowtorch people can expect it to be steaming hot, like people expect blowtorches to be extremely hot, and steaming hot liquid is dangerous, maybe you haven't caught on to that little fact of life yet.
Actually, you missed the point. Coffee is not dangerous enough to cause these kind of injuries. If it is, then the person who made the coffee did something wrong.
Your statement that "any coffee when you get it will severely burn you" is false. Period. You're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own reality.
They can pull this off because they have proof they came up with it first. I had no idea this went on until my father started working for a cellular phone company, where apparently its rampant. He used to be an engineer but now he is a consultant to the lawyers, evaluating the lawsuits for validity. I despise those lawsuits because it proves that there are lots of people out there who dont really 'produce' anything, just shift money from point A to B, and the ones that do produce get screwed.
Patent trolling is definately an example of leeching lawsuits. A company comes up with a really small or specific technology and patents it, and rather than starting to sell it they lie in wait. They wait months for a company to come along and come up with it themselves, then employ it en masse. After a product has been released they come out saying that the producing company is infringing, mis-using, et cetera... and demands millions because products are already out.
The McDonald's case is so misaligned by the general public because the CofC lobby has done a terrific hatchet job on it. The pants suit was poohed on by many of us in the practice, but we see what happened to that! The system works, it polices itself and the chaff gets driven away by the wind.
I am a trial lawyer, married to a trial lawyer and have a trial lawyer daughter. We are all committed to protecting those who are unprotected in this world. I consider it a noble calling and I will stand every time to be counted among the "scumbags, leaches, ambulance chasers". It is absolutely sickening to see what the Chamber of Commerce and their business members have done to REAL justice in this country.
Yours isn't the first case I've seen of MSLS multigenerational scumbag leach syndrome. Don't fret, there is a cure. Go get an honest job actually producing something positive rather than spending your entire life using the court system to screw honest people out of what they have worked for to enrich yourself and other losers.
I'm more distressed to hear what has happened to the Chamber of Commerce. Seem like they have been transformed into Corporate Lackeys like most of the rest of our government.
Why aren't more people talking about this? We believe media hype all too quickly and won't think for ourselves. Social justice advocates should care just as much about debunking tort reform as we do about other social injustices.
Trial lawyers versus Big Tobacco and Pharmaceutical companies who cares? It's in criminal law that the lawyers are ruining this country! Thousands of people would be alive today if liberal lawyers and judges were held accountable for their actions!
You are 100% on the mark. We need to stop electing lawyers to public office. Doing so has creates a built in conflict of interest in that they make all the laws, then they use those laws to make a living.
People forget that the judiciary is the third branch of government that gives every individual citizen the oppoertunity to have their personal experience evaluated by other citizens. We should expect fairness in our courts and we should use them fully without fear of being labeled as "litigious". Lots of fed-up people who brought their cases to court have improved our way of life - safer auto design, head rests, child safety chairs, better drug testing, safer intersections, etc. etc. etc.
Excellent expose of the truth about the big lie of 'tort reform' and 'frivolous lawsuits' the spokesliars & lobbyists for the pharmaceutical, tobacco and insurance industries are the newest wave of appointed 'officials' in charge of Bush Agencies intended to 'protect' consumers. No wonder, Bush's great grandfather was the founder of the National Association of Manufacturers - i.e. he was the FIRST crooked lobbyist. Is anyone surprised?
This video was very informative. The trial lawyers need to band together to run their own ads fighting back. Insurance companies and other corporate monsters will continue to brainwash and poison the minds of the uninformed, which so happens to be the majority of this country.
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jecikawright 1 year ago
The argument about McDonald's is a waste of time. You aren't going to undue the myth that McDonand's got ripped off. So be smart. Say of course that case was a scam by one lawyer and your cases aren't that kind. Explain to your next jury that unlike the McDonald's hot coffee case, your client was very seriously injured.
schreyermike 2 years ago
@schreyermike we're very familiar with John Edwards' strategy with his juries and David Ball's ideas about the McDonald's case. And for the most part we agree, when it comes to trial tactics.
But in terms of public dialogue, completely ignoring the case or lying about the facts can't really be the answer.
nick40 2 years ago
I do not agree that any efforts to overcome the public image of that case will bear any fruit whatsoever. It is urban legend. It will not die a natural death.
schreyermike 2 years ago
people sould be responsible 4 there owen actions and & companies more so. Lawyers r seagulls they have moved up from chips at the beach
jpuffster 2 years ago
"The first thing we do is kill all the lawyers " - Henry the 6th- Shakespeare
biggerturtle 2 years ago
Frivolous lawsuits are NOT myths. They are a very real and the are hurting this country. Example: A thief broke into a woman's home and got cut on one of her knives and sued her and won. If that isn't just an example of stupid people on a jury I don't know what is.
xxoxmyself 2 years ago
That doesn't seem very believable xxoxmyself. If you have a link or something to verify that story, I'd love to see it.
injuryboard 2 years ago
yea I want to see that one too!
combatvetlawstudent 2 years ago
Nice movie, but I have two problems: Although the number of malpractice lawsuits have gone down, the likelihood of a doctor being sued has gone up, and this is why malpractice insurance rates are rising and why healthcare cots so much- doctors have to do more tests than they normally would to insure they can't get sued. In regards to the McDonald's case, the fact is that it was coffee, and coffee is supposed to be hot. So even if it's not 180 degrees that does't mean you can be careless with it.
laallaal75 2 years ago
In the McDonald's case, they knew their coffee had caused injuries and refused to change the temperature settings in their stores. Then, this woman is burned, suffers severe injury to her groin and is hospitalized for seven days. McD's refused to settle for less.
McDonalds was negligent and got what it deserved.
So-called ambulance chasers are the most ethical lawyers out there. It's the big business lawyers who file the frivolous lawsuits... tort reform will do nothing to curb that.
jfur76 2 years ago
The whole idea of McDonald's being at fault for idiots hurting themselves drinking coffee, coffee is hot, this is a known fact, wether you put a retarded warning on the cup or not, its steaming hot coffee we all know that, and anyone with half a brain knows to be careful, sing the company that makes your coffe hot because you spilled it on yourself, is pathetic.
laallaal75 2 years ago
And McDonalds knew their coffee was not just hot, but TOO hot. So hot to cause serious injuries requiring skin grafts. That's not normal coffee hot, that's negligently hot. Others were injured before, and they refused to change.
Are you seriously suggesting that someone who handed you a "beverage" that was hot enough to burn the skin off of your genitals shouldn't be liable?
When do you suggest that McD's should take responsibility for its own actions?
jfur76 2 years ago
They made it that temperature so it would stay hot longer, and as i said before regardless of excatly how scolding hot the coffee was(any coffee when you get it will severely burn you) it is common sense to be careful. Thats like suing a blowtorch company when your hand slipped and burned yourself, those products can be dangerous and you know it, and if you buy it you know to be careful. Thats like suing someone for giving you a soup which you spilled on yourself, its ridiculous.
laallaal75 2 years ago
The problem with you analysis is that coffee is FOOD. It is not an inherently dangerous product like a blowtorch, nor is it reasonable for a consumer to expect that the product would have that danger. Some food can be dangerous, like the danger of biting into a pearl when you eat a clam. Consumers know there might be a pearl in a clam, so it's up to the consumer to be careful. Consumers don't have to expect that there is a blowtorch-equivalent in their coffee.
McD needs to be responsible.
jfur76 2 years ago
Wow it appears you missed my point, coffee is dangerous, though not as dangerous as a blowtorch people can expect it to be steaming hot, like people expect blowtorches to be extremely hot, and steaming hot liquid is dangerous, maybe you haven't caught on to that little fact of life yet.
laallaal75 2 years ago
Actually, you missed the point. Coffee is not dangerous enough to cause these kind of injuries. If it is, then the person who made the coffee did something wrong.
Your statement that "any coffee when you get it will severely burn you" is false. Period. You're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own reality.
jfur76 2 years ago
Jonathan Coulton. Best songwriter ever.
theclinger 3 years ago
They can pull this off because they have proof they came up with it first. I had no idea this went on until my father started working for a cellular phone company, where apparently its rampant. He used to be an engineer but now he is a consultant to the lawyers, evaluating the lawsuits for validity. I despise those lawsuits because it proves that there are lots of people out there who dont really 'produce' anything, just shift money from point A to B, and the ones that do produce get screwed.
wuhstawop 3 years ago
Patent trolling is definately an example of leeching lawsuits. A company comes up with a really small or specific technology and patents it, and rather than starting to sell it they lie in wait. They wait months for a company to come along and come up with it themselves, then employ it en masse. After a product has been released they come out saying that the producing company is infringing, mis-using, et cetera... and demands millions because products are already out.
wuhstawop 3 years ago
The frivolous lawsuit stuff is just an excuse to increase industry immunity as much as possible across the board.
sociopathicregret 4 years ago
The McDonald's case is so misaligned by the general public because the CofC lobby has done a terrific hatchet job on it. The pants suit was poohed on by many of us in the practice, but we see what happened to that! The system works, it polices itself and the chaff gets driven away by the wind.
MadameLawyer 4 years ago 3
I am a trial lawyer, married to a trial lawyer and have a trial lawyer daughter. We are all committed to protecting those who are unprotected in this world. I consider it a noble calling and I will stand every time to be counted among the "scumbags, leaches, ambulance chasers". It is absolutely sickening to see what the Chamber of Commerce and their business members have done to REAL justice in this country.
MadameLawyer 4 years ago 3
Yours isn't the first case I've seen of MSLS multigenerational scumbag leach syndrome. Don't fret, there is a cure. Go get an honest job actually producing something positive rather than spending your entire life using the court system to screw honest people out of what they have worked for to enrich yourself and other losers.
jayemking 4 years ago
I'm more distressed to hear what has happened to the Chamber of Commerce. Seem like they have been transformed into Corporate Lackeys like most of the rest of our government.
rhondazine 4 years ago
Why aren't more people talking about this? We believe media hype all too quickly and won't think for ourselves. Social justice advocates should care just as much about debunking tort reform as we do about other social injustices.
kiacharon 4 years ago 2
Trial lawyers versus Big Tobacco and Pharmaceutical companies who cares? It's in criminal law that the lawyers are ruining this country! Thousands of people would be alive today if liberal lawyers and judges were held accountable for their actions!
bigd358 4 years ago
You are 100% on the mark. We need to stop electing lawyers to public office. Doing so has creates a built in conflict of interest in that they make all the laws, then they use those laws to make a living.
jayemking 4 years ago
People forget that the judiciary is the third branch of government that gives every individual citizen the oppoertunity to have their personal experience evaluated by other citizens. We should expect fairness in our courts and we should use them fully without fear of being labeled as "litigious". Lots of fed-up people who brought their cases to court have improved our way of life - safer auto design, head rests, child safety chairs, better drug testing, safer intersections, etc. etc. etc.
AmandaEbey 4 years ago 2
Great report.
gilbertb11 4 years ago 2
Excellent expose of the truth about the big lie of 'tort reform' and 'frivolous lawsuits' the spokesliars & lobbyists for the pharmaceutical, tobacco and insurance industries are the newest wave of appointed 'officials' in charge of Bush Agencies intended to 'protect' consumers. No wonder, Bush's great grandfather was the founder of the National Association of Manufacturers - i.e. he was the FIRST crooked lobbyist. Is anyone surprised?
houstonlaw1 4 years ago 2
"Lawyers are like nuclear weapons. They got 'em so I got 'em" - Danny Devito in the film "Other Peoples' Money"
macspectrum 4 years ago
Given the Harvard study released today showing declining rates of lawsuits this is simple nonsense.
billybookworm 4 years ago
This video was very informative. The trial lawyers need to band together to run their own ads fighting back. Insurance companies and other corporate monsters will continue to brainwash and poison the minds of the uninformed, which so happens to be the majority of this country.
jolenebresney 4 years ago