Our sun will always cause global warming, It gets 10% brighter (more luminous) every billion years is about 80 degrees warmer every billion years, and all the time gradually even today it is right now. same rate all the time. As far as recent global warming i.e. last 2 centuries, the sun only accounts for about 10% of it. 90% of it is something non sun, So 10% due to sun as i noted, other 90% due to something else.
The dailytech website misrepresented NASA. To quote NASA direct "The fluctuations in the solar cycle impacts Earth's global temperature by about 0.1 degree Celsius" "Earth's average temperature has increased by approximately 0.6 degrees Celsius in the same period" i.e. just 0.1 C caused by the sun leaving 0.5C caused by AGW et al! Also read: Fröhlich, C. (2007). Solar Irradiance Variability Since 1978. In Solar Variability and Planetary Climates (pp. 53-65).
What, so NASA looked at the sun over 400 years, and adknoledges what we allready know, about it changing climates in the future?
We should be looking closer at more modern irradiation results, which for the last 30 years have been declining slightly, while we have had a MASSIVE increase in global temprature.
The dailytech website misrepresented NASA. To quote NASA direct "The fluctuations in the solar cycle impacts Earth's global temperature by about 0.1 degree Celsius" "Earth's average temperature has increased by approximately 0.6 degrees Celsius in the same period" i.e. just 0.1 C caused by the sun leaving 0.5C caused by AGW et al! Also read: Fröhlich, C. (2007). Solar Irradiance Variability Since 1978. In Solar Variability and Planetary Climates (pp. 53-65).
I also used to think that climate change and global warming were a huge hoax, but after I started studying geology, and made it my career- I have found that it really is happening. Ignorance is bliss, and makes it very easy to deny the facts- there are days that I wish that I was still on the ignorance bus.
@Mkliner1 The issue is man-made climate change, not climate change. There is no ignorance to climate change, or geological changes in any scientific circle.
1) The Suns TSI varies 2) generally when it falls so does the average long term temp on Earth. 3) However since the 1970's the temp on Earth has risen more than it has fallen on average while the Sun's TSI has fallen on average (See the PMOD data or NASA's SORCE satellite data direct, don't go to some idiotic blog). 4) This indicates that the Sun has not been the PRIMARY driver of accumulated heat on Earth since the 1970's
Australia's carbon tax has been created by a bad government who bases it's policy on bad ideas which is backed by bad science. It's all based on computer modelling and when you put bad data into a computer you get bad results. I beg everyone who reads this to just sit back, take a deep breath and think for a minute...
@Researchrules The dailytech website misrepresented NASA. To quote NASA direct "The fluctuations in the solar cycle impacts Earth's global temperature by about 0.1 degree Celsius" "Earth's average temperature has increased by approximately 0.6 degrees Celsius in the same period" i.e. just 0.1 C caused by the sun leaving 0.5C caused by AGW et al! Also read: Fröhlich, C. (2007). Solar Irradiance Variability Since 1978. In Solar Variability and Planetary Climates (pp. 53-65).
@checkyoursources The problem is these Denialist are not concerned with real science only manipulated data that supports their made up view! The IRONIC thing is they use lies & manipulated data but then accuse scientist of doing exactly what they are doing! This is common for Right Wingers regardless of the issue in question! They do a lot of PROJECTING! The SAD part is they are making things much worse for us all & they will get away with it! It is DISGUSTING!!
Actually the sun isn't responsible, See: Erlykin 2009: "We deduce that the maximum recent increase in the mean surface temperature of the Earth which can be ascribed to solar activity is 14% of the observed global warming." or Benestad 2009, Lockwood 2008, Lean 2008, Ammann 2007, Foukal 2006, Scafetta 2006, Solanki 2004, Haigh 2003. Solar output on average has not risen since the 1970's!
Pathetic video. No one has ever said your breathing causes global warming. Your source is not a reliable source for accurate information. In this case it says the study is correct but when it comes to a different conclusion than the writer wants he switches gears and denounces the researchers. Which by the way invalidates the headline of the article. There is nothing contradictory about saying climate has been dominated by the sun up until we began to burn fossil fuels.
@fireking9934 "then explain how mars, the moons of jupiter and saturn and other celestial bodies in our solar system are HEATING up...???"
They aren't so nothing to explain. Individually some are. i.e. Mars has less albedo due to reduced dust storms.
Even if they were, don't you think it makes more sense to just measure the energy coming from the sun (we have, it's not rising) than guessing based on poor understandings of their climates? We have much easier access to lots of data here.
Changing the system (dust cover) CO2 seems negligible especially if we planted enough trees to deal with it. And taxation is important, how do you think we are expected to gwt out of national debts. Our government will have to pay back the treasuries to the central banks and the ONLY way to do itis tax. This is just a tax that can move more money around so less people notice the crisis.
Why would the sun being in a minimum matter? Does that stop it from sending rays at us? It is constantly producing heat for us so we will continue to heat either way, not at as high a rate, but still heating none the less. The earth will continue to heat until there is something that stops the rays, eg. When a volcanoe erupts the dust cover protects the lower troposphere from warming. One thing that can change a closed system is outside interference (sun, asteroids). Or changing the system, (du
@draconusrex33 So if you argue that vulcanism is responsable for the recent warming, then you must therefore hold that the climate is extremely sensitive to CO2. Then you might notice that humans emit well over 100 times the CO2 that all the volcanos combined (USGS) ... so, according to your own logic, we are doomed! (If you still hold that volcanos emit more CO2 than humans, what is your source?)
Lots of different schemes to give authority to the world bank, WHO, etc. that doesn't fall under any nation or democracy at all. NWO global dictatorship, run by the same "scientific consensus" as Hitler used to prove that Aryans were from the Atlantis!
46 people believe even if Mars is warming, that its mankind fault too. Must be all those pesky surveyor probes we have been sending since the viking mission!
I think people dont like the theory that its the sun thats to blame - for this reason
1. CO2 can be managed - it takes ludricous amounts of effort to stop co2 though - plus you make nice cash from co2 tax
2. The sun cant be stopped or fixed (if its a problem, not just a cycle its going through- problem is the cycle could get worse - or could last millenia.) its there - nothing can be done about it. - plus is gonna be frecking hard to convince people to pay - sun tax
Not sure if solar max/min is the cause since the cycle is 11 years and our fluctuations would emulate that on Earth. BUT stars increase output as they age. In fact it is suggested that our sun has increased its output by 37% since day1 of shining.
So don't worry about the Sun being a red giant some day. This place will be uninhabitable within a few million years, possibly sooner.
our last (current?) solar minimum 23 was over 14 years, no black spots to cool it's surface. Look at SOHO image today you can barely call those real solar max 24's start up. They should be 4-5% of surface for full effect of maimum. Even NASA misleads on the 11 year myth as does the 2012 pole flip nutter from Belgium.
Because of people being taught to be afraid of the sun. Malinoma usually shows up on parts of the body that don't get much sun. Many medications now also make people more susceptible to the sun. Sun in moderation is very good for you.
This video shows the true "inconvenient truth". The truth that we as a whole need to wake up and see how we have been and are being manipulated into doing what these so called leaders want us to do.Which is to continue to give them more control over what little we have left.STOP BELIEVING THE LIES!!!THEY COME FROM THEIR FATHER WHO IS THE FATHER OF ALL LIES!!!!TRUST IN THE LORD.
waarom hebben zo weinig mensen dit gelezen en gelooft men niet dat niet de CO2 de aarde opwarmt maar gewoon de zon die doet dat al miljoenen jaren met meerdere ijstijden en meerdere klimaatvernaderingen ver voor de mens maar enige invloed had ???????
Het co2 gebeuren is een bangmakerij die alleen bedoeld is om geld uit onze zakken te kloppen. dat kan niet als je zegt dat de zon de schuldige is !!!!!!!
why do so few people read and believe it not not CO2 the earth warms up just the sun that does millions of years with several ice ages and multiple klimaatvernaderingen far for the man but had some influence ???????
The co2 is a scare that happen only to money in our pockets right. can not you say that the sun is the culprit !!!!!!!
Telling us that global warming is caused by the sun is like saying water is wet!
I was almost convinced by the deniers (you lot) that there was some doubt in the scientific community, etc...
But then you know what happened?
You tipped your hand when you started with the conspiracies, and the vapor trails, the 'leftist media", and the ClubofRomeIlluminati, blithering nonsense...
so you honestly believe that a gas that makes up for .054% of the total greenhouse gases is responsible for the earths climate? what about all of the many, many other factors that contribute to our atmospheric system. seems that picking a trace gas that is needed to support life and calling it a pollutant is kind of ridiculous. oh and 31000 scientists agree with me but they aren't allowed on the corporate/government controlled TV because those same corporate entities have much to gain from C02.
scientists like Hawkeye Pierce, in fields such as veterinary medicine, and they checked exactly how many references. check the box that you are phd and you are even if you didn't graduate high school. heck you don't even have to be alive to be on that list.
that said .05% is more than the lethal dose of cyanide, that's more than the plasticizers in concrete. small amounts can have big outcomes.
and how many scientists agree that global warming is caused by humans? and of course, you shouldn't bring up anyone at the IPCC because they're all liars who are paid to promote their agenda. all the things you said could easily be applied to the IPCC. and according to you, you would have to believe that the climate has never changed pre-industrial revolution. which is really crazy seeing as the medieval warm period was much warmer than it is today. but shove that under the carpet too.
this is not speculation. they published the petition. you can look up names on the list like Hub Hougland who is a dentist in Muncie, Indiana. now you can do the same fore ipcc you don't find the same pattern. every one earned the distinction of being on that panel.
next the medieval warm period was not suppressed but corrected. later studies showed that it was a regional anomaly in northern Europe not a global effect.
"the medieval warm period was not suppressed but corrected."--this was deemed untrue by the words of your own scientists. look at the emails. and no, i'm not going to tell you which one because you won't read it anyway. and the ipcc, the so called 2400 scientists, were also made up of their assistants and other non-qualified people. also, they have an agenda. of course they're gonna bring people in that agree with them. if they don't they loose funding.
in other words you want me to root around in the dark so I can't disprove your claim with 3 clicks of the mouse. sir the emails have you read them? by you're comment It appears you haven't and instead just listened to the spin. beyond that the conspiracy claims just don't cut it. sorry.
and if your leaders aren't trying to stop it, then why should i believe a word they say? and why should you? this is highly political young man. to say it isn't would be very naive. and i hope, for the sake of science, that you're not one of those "consensus" people. that has to be one of the most anti-scientific arguments on the face of the planet. after all, there was a consensus on stephen hawkings black hole and look how that turned out.
finally if you want to see proof don't look at the men and women in science but look at the science. it doesn't matter that the deniers are a minority in the applicable fields before you adjust for the ones that have no business commenting on the environment. the evidence shows that anthropogenic warming is real.
if gore and obama and all of the other elitists actually cared about global warming, they would simply cut americas "carbon footprint" in half by bringing the troops home. after all, the US military pumps out just as much co2 as the whole united states. but you never really hear that as a solution do you? thats because the same people who want war are the same people who want to tax you for breathing. wake up. you're being lied to by the biggest corporation in the world: our government.
first off this is a discussion of the scientific claims of global warming. stick to the science. politics isn't science research. if you have a problem of how the govt spends money do so elsewhere but ether stay on topic or just admit you have no case in this arena.
by the way the person that told you the millions of scientists that are in climate related fields are telling lies, was lying.
even if you're right, and global warming was real, why hasn't our fearless leaders done anything about it? is copenhagen is supposed to change something? get real little buddy. all that will do is further suppress third world countries into never having electricity. you will never admit that gore and obama are doing nothing to stop it. that is right on topic. it's just that you blind followers will never criticize your leaders. bring the troops home and cut down co2 by 50%. what wrong with that?
if the people pushing this propaganda about 1 of the four life giving compounds being a toxin, why aren't they doing anything to stop it? i'm even conceding that you're theory may be right. you will never win the argument that your leaders aren't even trying to actually stop it. and don't try and tell me that it isn't political. where there's money to be made, there politics to be played. (little life lesson for you). GE, goldman sacks would be proud of how well their propaganda worked on you.
" and of course, you shouldn't bring up anyone at the IPCC because they're all liars who are paid to promote their agenda."
Oh my, thats a mighty huge brush your painting with. Whenever i hear this i start believing that this is just one more conspiracy theory than an scientific one.
It just seem that even if all these mighty corporations and highly influential and powerful political leaders were right... they couldn't be.. because they are all egotistical money-grubbing liars. no?
actually, the super-elites who run the governments around the world, the same people who are shareholders in all of the private central banks(including the FED), don't care about money at all. they care about power and power only. and these are the same faggots who are pushing this GW scam.
they always give half truths. you've got to be smart enough to discern between what real and what bullshit. and i smell a lot of that coming from the IPCC.
and another thing, if these fuckers truly cared, they would invest in geothermal energy. they would run big oil into the ground(which would be nice). why don't you ever see these traitors invest 700B(couldn't possibly imagine where i got that number) in renewable energy if they're so concerned? answer: they're not. they don't care about you or me or the earth. again, wake up. you're being lied to.
you see, your problem is you're not looking at the big picture. i was a global warming freak too for about three years until i realized that it's all a game. it's all another way for the government to control us a little more. if you don't think endless wars and global warming are connected, you should take a step back. the only people who are going to gain from both are the same huge corporations that run washington and the rest of the world. now i wait for the "tin foil hat" response.
global warming is not a debate for the political arena. it is a scientific fact. claiming as you have dose nothing to change the sum of independent research from every part of the world coming up with the same results using independent information and methodology. again want to bash Obama, I may be on you're side depending on what topic you're talking about. I.E. as it stands now I don't want the health care bill to pass. but again that's not for here.
and maybe you're right. as a believer in science, i have to take into consideration that it's possible. but to say it's fact would mean to say it has gone beyond hypothesis and theory and has now become law. that hasn't happened yet buddy. so lets stay empirical. nothing about this has become fact. till then, i'll be waiting for the day i can drink a corona on the beach in antarctica. i'd rather live in a world where the glaciers are receding rather than advancing.
a scientific fact is an observation. in this case the decades of observations of our climate.
a hypothesis is a explanation of a set of facts that makes predictions to be tested. like the hypothesis made last century about CO2 leading to dramatic increase of temperatures around the world.
a theory is a tested and retested hypothesis so that we know with arbitrary certainty that this is the only thing that fits the facts.
sure you can buy into fear tactics, but why would any rational person base any thing on computer models. models were never meant to tell the future and were never meant to be used as hard truths like they are today. from what i hear, we are in a prolonged warm period and we should really relish it because the next ice age is around the corner and it won't have anything to do with co2. when the next ice age comes, future generations will laugh at our primitive weather predictions.
the next ice age is thousands of years off. actually going by the ice core data you bring up it's at least 20-50 thousand years off. but also if you look at the same data we should be starting in that direction. the peek was about a thousand years ago. the little hump you call the medieval warm period.
i'm not saying you're right or even i'm right, but to think that this "science" if free of political influence is naive. when your side agrees that consensus is the opposite of science and when the opposing view is openly debated, science will run it's course and will ultimately win. until then i, and others like myself will continue to scrutinize the evidence. after all, isn't that truly how science works? where would we be today if Galileo hadn't convinced the "consensus" they were wrong?
and that is what has been happening for the past century. the consensus isn't of scientists btw, but of the results of study. sure you get 99.9% of working scientist in a room to tell how 1 study shows X, Y, and Z. and that is an argumentum ad populum. but get only a few with independent research with independent methodologies and have a consensus then that is science.
but look at again the same data you bring up we don't see the dramatic drop in temperatures in point of fact we have out paced it by several degrees and we are currently heading for a hotter time than even the 130,000 year ago peek that lasted just a few years. at current only about 500 years out of the last 420,000 was hotter then today.
it's hard for me to get worked up about this science when there is no way to tell the future. and it's even harder for me to except our world leaders to impose worldwide taxes on me for those predictions. this is why we have such a division when it comes to this matter. if we as humans would allow good, non-politicized, science time to run its course we wouldn't have a problem. and if governments continue to go by the rule of"do as i say, not as i do", then nothing will get done to combat it.
again leaving the government issue to the people debating government, the science shows that anthropogenic warming is real and that it will continue under current CO2 production.
@DonHoraldo: oh and i love the fact that since it has now been proven that temps lead co2, you carbon theists are scrambling to come up with a crazy explanation that this process has reversed in the past 100 years. that's pretty rich. santa clause is coming to town too, just to let you know.
no it's not a retrodiction. do any research and you'll see that our understanding of CO2 predates the spike in 1960's. the warming has been predicted from over century ago. there was a serious warning going on in the 1950's. this was predicted and no one listened.
a scientific law is a mathematical model to explain the how things work. force g=G*M*m/r^2 is a law.
the scientific law isn't the highest nor is the scientific fact. but the scientific theory is. as the theory is a collection of facts and laws it only stands that it is more important and takes priority.
for the record the us military only uses ~1% of the US's energy and has been gungho into alternative energy for a wile. just because it is the largest single energy consumer in the USA doesn't mean it uses 50% or more. so just for the record the USA is responsible for 20.2% of world CO2. lets give a error in you favor and say that the military produces 3x the amount from every other source per energy volume.
you can punch whatever numbers you want into a computer model, unless there is clear evidence in the past that higher global temps spell doom, i'm all for co2. bring it on. in fact, we should be producing more. we might be able to grow crops in the desert someday. hell, we could ship some off to africa so they could grow better crops. you're whole theory rests on co2 being a toxin which is laughable. whats next, water is going to destroy us all?!?!?! oh no, not life giving compounds! run!!!
no one claims CO2 is a toxin. the claim is that it will re-radiate heat back to the lower troposphere increasing the temperature and effecting the environment. CO2 is needed without the current level of CO2 the world would be 60 degrees cooler. and yes in the past global warming has lead to extinctions.
the increase in ocean temperatures caused a decrease in trapped gasses including oxygen witch allowed a bacteria to flourish in the anoxic environment. this bacteria produced a poisonous gas, hydrogen sulfide, and killed 96 percent of all marine species and 70 percent of terrestrial vertebrate.
even you're theories are true, i just can't buy into the entire thing because of what the ice core samples show. if you look at what the NOAA has posted in the past, the medieval warm period was dwarfed by warming around 1200bc. and then before that and on and on. it's called climate change. it's what the earth has done for billions of years. i kind of half to laugh when people bring up data for the last hundred years as if that is a long time. it's not even a blink of an eye in earths history.
this is why lawyers never admit evidence into a case before knowing it inside and out. by submitting it you give approval to it and the same graph you mentions shows an anomaly that paces CO2 in the atmosphere very well.
you keep talking in terms of hundreds of thousands of years which like predicting what i'm going to do next year because of a photo taken of me last year. 450,000 years is a mere blip of the earths history so saying today is the warmest period is nonsense when looking at the big picture. you know, out of all of the data presented by your side, no one ever takes into consideration the earths natural ability to correct itself when faced with abnormalities or humans abilities to adapt.
in the words of the late George Carlin, "The Planet is fine, we're Fucked."
the fact is we have built our culture on a rather steady climate. saying Oh the earth should have a balancing mechanism is just fallacious. no there have been extinctions based on global warming. and no the trilobites weren't driving cars ether that was based on volcanic activity. near every thing on earth died allowing the small percent that survived to take what remained of the earth.
that means in the highly inaccurate estimation (inaccurate in your favor I might add) the us military produces .6% of the worlds CO2. that is less than china's extra production from burning coal for heat in homes instead of making electricity from the coal to heat with. I'll be the first to admit that is excessive (real amount is about the same as Nigeria) but disbanding the military wouldn't stop global warming it would hardly slow it down.
alright, i'll concede that you're right once again, what is so wrong with the earth warming? during the Cretaceous period it was 12 degrees warmer than it is today with much higher levels of co2. and what happened? plants and vegetation grew to enormous size as well as life forms. i'm just not understanding this absurd doomsday scenario these money grabbers are painting. there is absolutely no proof that higher temps would destroy the planet. (even if co2 led temps. which we know isn't true)
what happened to cool off the earth? no it's not tremendous plants. it's central America. when the land bridge between north and south America connected it shifted the tides cutting off some of the water going to the poles allowing the expansion of the ice sheet and the current glacial cycle.
why is it that during the nearly four decades after wold war two, perhaps the greatest increase in carbon output, the temperatures went down at just as fast a pace? for nearly forty years! what can you spin about that? and and BTW, ".05% is more than the lethal dose of cyanide, that's more than the plasticizers in concrete. small amounts can have big outcomes. " - talk about fallacious.
sir if you are not going to bother with actually looking at the evidence and instead persist to regurgitate the same statements that have been flying around for the past 40 years why should I bother.
experimental results shows that a small proportion of CO2 can trap heat wile allowing visible light to pass by. the only thing that current warming correlates to is CO2. that's the facts.
So does that mean the chemtrails will stop now then? because its still going on but the only thing is its being done during the night and very early morning the sky is white all over in UK it has been for ages and if sun breaks through the trails are behind it.
Both have an agenda, and support each other & work for the masters behind the screen. If we can get back media control and put in 'independant' or 'honest' politicians.... then we will have a great chance to turn this nightmare around...before the USA is bankrupt with Carbon 'fraud' taxes and GMO foods..
If you are intrested in this subject, you should read "A state of fear" by Micheal Crichton. It's also about the global warming lie and how politicians use it to spread fear among the people in order to get votes. It's a good book, I recommend it.
Sadly Michael Crichton is dead.....but his book is published and out there in the masses hands.. He must have had a good insight to this to impassion him to pen the book.
The science relative to earths history,orbital position relatice to the sun point to non man made global warming. but of interest,global warming does look like a cyclical thing
FIrst, when I forwarded the link to the video, I assumed you were open minded enough to see through the propaganda that we've been fed... I was wrong.
Second, I never intimated, implied or stated that all scientists are bought and paid for. Now, if withholding or threatening to withhold funding for research is a bribe or being paid for, well that's something else. For the record, what I said or implied was that the ones from the report, who admitted...
that the sun was the cause of Global Warming, the ones who helped the government establish policy (NASA) are also saying that man is affecting the climate... and what I intimated was that they are saying that so that they don't lose their funding.
Third, this is NOT conspiracy theory.
a. NASA was forced to admit that their numbers were in error
S. 835 to require 85% ethenol, Obama's and UN's Cap and Trade, California's Emissions requirements, the EPA adopting California's emissions requirements, the Legislation limiting Mining (coal), and all other "Policy" decisions being based on Global warming - MAN MADE global warming. The idea of an UN IRS is ludicrous, our own governments will implement cap and trade, and any carbon tax they want so long as people are told and believe in man-made global warming....
Id also like an explanation for northern Europe being tropical pre industrial man. Oh and someone tell me why just 5 years ago the Discovery Channel was piping some bullshit about us going into the next ice age. Ya funny that show vanished... lets not forget the coldest winter here in the US in years. What an inconvenient truth. BTW did you know the Japanese government is suing Al gore for fraud with his warming shit. Google that :)
Part 1 - I never said you said that - but that is what it would require in order for your theory to hold any water. If you're convinced science is being guided by funding either, that's ludicrous. So many individuals donate to projects, not just organizations.
2 - I know nothing of this mathematical error you keep referring to. I agree fully the sun very well may play a key role as well. To deny man's direct effects is pure idiocy, however.
4, 5, 6 and into infinity - you are grasping at balls of lint on large carpets. Things like miscalculations could be thrown out entirely and the rest of the information compiled by scientists globally on a consistent basis would *STILL* show, that MAN is without any doubt negatively effecting our planet and ACCELERATING the natural process of global climate change. I'm just absolutely astounded anyone with any shred of intellect could even THINK to deny this. I'm done debating with morons.
lol.... man. There are so many problems with this conspiracy theory I don't even know where to begin. But I'll try:
1. Why would totally unaffiliated scientists located globally uniformly agree? How could someone or some organization infiltrated the minds of so many scientists, encouraging them to lie to the world? You realize this is what you're asserting, right? You assert that every single scientist that agrees is bought and paid for, and in short, is just a liar?
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2. You people seem to think this is so they can impliment a global carbon tax. There are so many problems with this, it blows my mind that you can even BEGIN to think this. Problems here are:
A. Who collects it? It's a "GLOBAL tax", thus we would need a GLOBAL tax service.
B. Who enforces it? Say it goes to the U.N. - are they going to add the U.N.I.R.S. to globally enforce this?
C. Who benefits from it? If its collected globally, who would be directly benefiting from monies?
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Can you see now why I think you're nuttier than a squirrel turd? The logistical issues of this "theory" ALONE are insurmountable. I highly suggest practicing some critical thinking on this subject and you will surely come to the same conclusion: bullocks.
No one organization can POSSIBLY have the power to persuade, dissuade, guide, direct or effect nearly every scientist performing study's on global warming. Please use your brain a little bit before trying to "educate the public".
Listen up monon, you havent done any looking past the TV and Al Gores bullshit, clearly. I bet you cheered in the parking lot when Al flew in on the jet that shit out more Co2 that you will in the next 3 years.
But hey lets just go old school on this weather thing. I suggest you throw yourself in a volcano and the rest of the people will cheer you on and pray for better weather and a good crop.
At least the tribal chiefs of old didn't charge the people for their bullshit.
If you think that I'm convinced because of Al Gore or something I saw on TV, you're deeply mistaken. I have watched multitudes of videos on the subject done by all kinds of different organizations outlining exactly how they come to their conclusions.
I have a hard time understanding what the rest of your post was attempting to convey.. I am not fluent in retard, I'm sorry.
The point is this sky is falling BS isnt new. Its just an old scheme replayed to invent new taxes.
If the world is going to come to an end because of Co2 (which happens to be great for plants) why wouldn't the government spend money on public education and mandate emission control. Taxing people wont stop the Co2 but its pretty handy if you're collecting the money.
No one is saying the sky is falling. Everyone is saying if we do not immediately change our ways, we're going to seriously damage and perminately change our planet. Also, the only people I hear really talking about this carbon tax are those who are scared of it (not the ONLY people, but certainly you type of folks I would include in the main group).
Go research cap and trade. Read it and realize its a giant taxation scheme. Again it does NOTHING to fix the problem if it does exist. Like I said is the real M.O. to save the planet of raise a lot of money?
PS better watch your pokerstar account doesnt get nabbed by the Feds. Google it.
DrDissent - don't bother. It's clear he doesn't read the material or research, all I got was a banter about this or that, but no evidence, just opinion.
Fact that he still doesn't know what Nasa error I'm referring to, means he didn't read the info on the previous video, and his other comments mean he didn't read the info in this video.
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lol this is coming from someone who disagrees with the overwhelming amount of evidence of evolution.... man.... I do pity you, seriously. No wonder you're so freaked out about the NWO. LOL
Well I don't think its unhealthy to explore the possibility by any means, but the maker of this video who invited me to watch it seems pretty darn convinced this is pure fact when in reality it's tons of weakly founded speculation.
and hehe yeah i know all about the funds seizure by the DOJ unfortunately.. thanks for the heads up though. :)
This is sorta part 3, 1st one was theory, 2nd part was new research findings, and this one, I guess you can think of it as proof. That conference from the 70's.. funny how no one ever questioned the results of 1 single solitary test (in Antarctica)... 1 fkn test and we have Cap & Trade. what a sham.
well we have to save the polar bears because they are suffering having to swim around so much due to the ice caps melting and dodging all the russians looking for oil. yes it is a sad day when a polar bear has to go back to shore and sleep with a berry eating grizzly just to pass seed on to the next generation waitng for the sun to get it together, passing the days taking care of her growlers and prizzlys and knowing they will never survive to be true polars and will become extinct. the agony!
Polar Bears swim all the time and so do their cubs and also the ice caps have apparently considerably stopped melting according to some peer revue journals. Climate change is nothing new, this is simply nature taking it's course, it happened in the mini-ice age , to the dinosaurs and now to us, nothing new, nothing man created, just nature being nature. By the way, did you notice the ad/link beside this video? The one with the poor polar bears on it saying "let's stop global warming" what a joke
Too funny... I use the AdBlock add-on for Firefox.. so I never see the ads. Interesting though, the one I see is the "Increase America's Energy Security" ad when I disable adblock. I never realized that the Ad in the main page is Huge..
so we have shut down every industry in the USA for nothing and now we are bankrupt. Al Gore will disagree, he has always be a worthless ass. I am a happy unemployed logger due to global warming. How stupid this country has become???
I was waiting for someone to point this out. The media blackout is pretty damn obvious and this of course all comes as youtube is pushing that project "home" farce.
Thanks for making this video, lets hope more people see it and wake up.
its a tool to enable them to tax us for evry bit of energy we use ... a user pays tax ..like water meters.... also it is the ultimate control tool ..all food production uses fuel energy.... you can also get carbon tax credits if your country plants trees .... or even if they turn food crops into ethenol fuels..you can get credits ...equals greener planet BUT less food.... a days work for a loaf of bread
oh so true. problem is how are they going to collect taxes when no one has any money? this will end badly. I heard the term debtor's prisons... maybe that's where the GIVE act will enable us to work off our debt :)
it works like this .... if the farmer cant afford to risk to much fuel on a gamble that he may get a return in 6 months from his crop .... well then he plants less wheat .....SO bread company pays more for what wheat is available ..... bread gets more expensive ... if you cant afford you starve with the rest ... supermarkets dont give credit ...
thx for this. Ive been teaching my kids for years that the sun is responsible for all the climate changes.
It was easy to fool the narcistic amongst us. billions of tax payers money have been wasted, thousands of jobs depend on it and it also has brought about many forms of people control by the governments involved
Thanks. I was actually quite shocked when I found the articles. Goes to show, you can't take things at face value. I like how Al Gore has all but disappeared and ignores interviews to address this.
It's a bummer that you put out this video. I've been subscribed to your channel for a long time, thinking that we might be of a like mind. I believe I was quite wrong.
Great video! Actually, it's not just Earth and Mars that are undergoing major changes...several other planets as well. You're right... looks like a lot of what's going on is to implement cap and trade.
Our sun will always cause global warming, It gets 10% brighter (more luminous) every billion years is about 80 degrees warmer every billion years, and all the time gradually even today it is right now. same rate all the time. As far as recent global warming i.e. last 2 centuries, the sun only accounts for about 10% of it. 90% of it is something non sun, So 10% due to sun as i noted, other 90% due to something else.
djfx9000 2 days ago
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The dailytech website misrepresented NASA. To quote NASA direct "The fluctuations in the solar cycle impacts Earth's global temperature by about 0.1 degree Celsius" "Earth's average temperature has increased by approximately 0.6 degrees Celsius in the same period" i.e. just 0.1 C caused by the sun leaving 0.5C caused by AGW et al! Also read: Fröhlich, C. (2007). Solar Irradiance Variability Since 1978. In Solar Variability and Planetary Climates (pp. 53-65).
checkyoursources 1 week ago
What, so NASA looked at the sun over 400 years, and adknoledges what we allready know, about it changing climates in the future?
We should be looking closer at more modern irradiation results, which for the last 30 years have been declining slightly, while we have had a MASSIVE increase in global temprature.
mahligros2 1 week ago
Leaked Heartland Institute documents pull back curtain on climate scepticism
Updated: Leaked internal documents from US thinktank expose funding and policy strategies against climate science Guardian Wednesday 15 February 2012
checkyoursources 2 weeks ago
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The dailytech website misrepresented NASA. To quote NASA direct "The fluctuations in the solar cycle impacts Earth's global temperature by about 0.1 degree Celsius" "Earth's average temperature has increased by approximately 0.6 degrees Celsius in the same period" i.e. just 0.1 C caused by the sun leaving 0.5C caused by AGW et al! Also read: Fröhlich, C. (2007). Solar Irradiance Variability Since 1978. In Solar Variability and Planetary Climates (pp. 53-65).
checkyoursources 1 month ago
I also used to think that climate change and global warming were a huge hoax, but after I started studying geology, and made it my career- I have found that it really is happening. Ignorance is bliss, and makes it very easy to deny the facts- there are days that I wish that I was still on the ignorance bus.
Mkliner1 3 months ago
@Mkliner1 The issue is man-made climate change, not climate change. There is no ignorance to climate change, or geological changes in any scientific circle.
Researchrules 2 months ago
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1) The Suns TSI varies 2) generally when it falls so does the average long term temp on Earth. 3) However since the 1970's the temp on Earth has risen more than it has fallen on average while the Sun's TSI has fallen on average (See the PMOD data or NASA's SORCE satellite data direct, don't go to some idiotic blog). 4) This indicates that the Sun has not been the PRIMARY driver of accumulated heat on Earth since the 1970's
checkyoursources 4 months ago
Australia's carbon tax has been created by a bad government who bases it's policy on bad ideas which is backed by bad science. It's all based on computer modelling and when you put bad data into a computer you get bad results. I beg everyone who reads this to just sit back, take a deep breath and think for a minute...
SIM2402 4 months ago
Why don't people who make videos like this go to the original source?
The video showed several blog pages with incomplete quotes, text taken out of context and misquotes.
I suggest people read the NASA articles in full on the NASA website, don't take this idiots misquotes for granted.
checkyoursources 5 months ago
@checkyoursources It is not misquoted, it is the entire page as you see.
Researchrules 2 months ago
@Researchrules The dailytech website misrepresented NASA. To quote NASA direct "The fluctuations in the solar cycle impacts Earth's global temperature by about 0.1 degree Celsius" "Earth's average temperature has increased by approximately 0.6 degrees Celsius in the same period" i.e. just 0.1 C caused by the sun leaving 0.5C caused by AGW et al! Also read: Fröhlich, C. (2007). Solar Irradiance Variability Since 1978. In Solar Variability and Planetary Climates (pp. 53-65).
checkyoursources 2 months ago
@checkyoursources Well, any regression has an intercept in it. That is the intercept in the model. And the intercept is invariable.
Researchrules 2 months ago
@checkyoursources The problem is these Denialist are not concerned with real science only manipulated data that supports their made up view! The IRONIC thing is they use lies & manipulated data but then accuse scientist of doing exactly what they are doing! This is common for Right Wingers regardless of the issue in question! They do a lot of PROJECTING! The SAD part is they are making things much worse for us all & they will get away with it! It is DISGUSTING!!
Viracocha711 2 weeks ago in playlist GLOBAL WARMING
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Actually the sun isn't responsible, See: Erlykin 2009: "We deduce that the maximum recent increase in the mean surface temperature of the Earth which can be ascribed to solar activity is 14% of the observed global warming." or Benestad 2009, Lockwood 2008, Lean 2008, Ammann 2007, Foukal 2006, Scafetta 2006, Solanki 2004, Haigh 2003. Solar output on average has not risen since the 1970's!
checkyoursources 5 months ago
Pathetic video. No one has ever said your breathing causes global warming. Your source is not a reliable source for accurate information. In this case it says the study is correct but when it comes to a different conclusion than the writer wants he switches gears and denounces the researchers. Which by the way invalidates the headline of the article. There is nothing contradictory about saying climate has been dominated by the sun up until we began to burn fossil fuels.
rugbyguy59 6 months ago 2
@fireking9934 "then explain how mars, the moons of jupiter and saturn and other celestial bodies in our solar system are HEATING up...???"
They aren't so nothing to explain. Individually some are. i.e. Mars has less albedo due to reduced dust storms.
Even if they were, don't you think it makes more sense to just measure the energy coming from the sun (we have, it's not rising) than guessing based on poor understandings of their climates? We have much easier access to lots of data here.
rugbyguy59 6 months ago
Changing the system (dust cover) CO2 seems negligible especially if we planted enough trees to deal with it. And taxation is important, how do you think we are expected to gwt out of national debts. Our government will have to pay back the treasuries to the central banks and the ONLY way to do itis tax. This is just a tax that can move more money around so less people notice the crisis.
PredominateOne 8 months ago
Why would the sun being in a minimum matter? Does that stop it from sending rays at us? It is constantly producing heat for us so we will continue to heat either way, not at as high a rate, but still heating none the less. The earth will continue to heat until there is something that stops the rays, eg. When a volcanoe erupts the dust cover protects the lower troposphere from warming. One thing that can change a closed system is outside interference (sun, asteroids). Or changing the system, (du
PredominateOne 8 months ago
@draconusrex33 So if you argue that vulcanism is responsable for the recent warming, then you must therefore hold that the climate is extremely sensitive to CO2. Then you might notice that humans emit well over 100 times the CO2 that all the volcanos combined (USGS) ... so, according to your own logic, we are doomed! (If you still hold that volcanos emit more CO2 than humans, what is your source?)
garlicbreds 8 months ago
Co2 represents 0.038% of the atmosphere.
Most of that is natural (96%) Man responsible for the remaining 4%.
We (only in the West) are being taxed on the increase.
It's a socialist taxation scheme. Cap & Trade.
Lookup2Wakeup 11 months ago
Lots of different schemes to give authority to the world bank, WHO, etc. that doesn't fall under any nation or democracy at all. NWO global dictatorship, run by the same "scientific consensus" as Hitler used to prove that Aryans were from the Atlantis!
clarkcolt45 1 year ago
46 people believe even if Mars is warming, that its mankind fault too. Must be all those pesky surveyor probes we have been sending since the viking mission!
marcopolo3001 1 year ago
The sun has actually decreased in temperature over the last couple of decades.
TheReasonParty 1 year ago
@TheReasonParty That is correct - since 1957 the Sun's activity level has steadily declined just as global warming took off. This video is nonsense.
drkstrong 1 year ago
dumbass they never said we descendend from monkeys. they said that primates and humans share a common ancestor.
Jamescool223 1 year ago
I think people dont like the theory that its the sun thats to blame - for this reason
1. CO2 can be managed - it takes ludricous amounts of effort to stop co2 though - plus you make nice cash from co2 tax
2. The sun cant be stopped or fixed (if its a problem, not just a cycle its going through- problem is the cycle could get worse - or could last millenia.) its there - nothing can be done about it. - plus is gonna be frecking hard to convince people to pay - sun tax
redwind85 1 year ago
It WILL happen! Save food & water!!! 2012.
1thatisilluminated 1 year ago
Not sure if solar max/min is the cause since the cycle is 11 years and our fluctuations would emulate that on Earth. BUT stars increase output as they age. In fact it is suggested that our sun has increased its output by 37% since day1 of shining.
So don't worry about the Sun being a red giant some day. This place will be uninhabitable within a few million years, possibly sooner.
thanks for the vid!
uturniaphobic 2 years ago
@uturniaphobic
our last (current?) solar minimum 23 was over 14 years, no black spots to cool it's surface. Look at SOHO image today you can barely call those real solar max 24's start up. They should be 4-5% of surface for full effect of maimum. Even NASA misleads on the 11 year myth as does the 2012 pole flip nutter from Belgium.
STEVEDIGIBOYtv 1 year ago
notice 0:43 his graph ends in the 70's.
this is covered here: watch?v=_Sf_UIQYc20
DonHoraldo 2 years ago
Love it!!! people global warming is just a scam by the govt. to tax the fuck out of us!!!!!!!!!!!
FreedomILove 2 years ago 2
Also, saying all we'll ever be is monkeys if we believe in evolution is proof you have no idea what evolution actually entails.
cogar48 2 years ago
Okay, I agree on Global Warming, but we did evolve. Only idiots believe we didn't.
cogar48 2 years ago
I've always wondered, why do we still see such an increase in skin cancer when the ozone layer's been largely fixed?
zaaz369 2 years ago
Because of people being taught to be afraid of the sun. Malinoma usually shows up on parts of the body that don't get much sun. Many medications now also make people more susceptible to the sun. Sun in moderation is very good for you.
crazycloud2 2 years ago
This video shows the true "inconvenient truth". The truth that we as a whole need to wake up and see how we have been and are being manipulated into doing what these so called leaders want us to do.Which is to continue to give them more control over what little we have left.STOP BELIEVING THE LIES!!!THEY COME FROM THEIR FATHER WHO IS THE FATHER OF ALL LIES!!!!TRUST IN THE LORD.
jonathanrosstompkins 2 years ago 2
waarom hebben zo weinig mensen dit gelezen en gelooft men niet dat niet de CO2 de aarde opwarmt maar gewoon de zon die doet dat al miljoenen jaren met meerdere ijstijden en meerdere klimaatvernaderingen ver voor de mens maar enige invloed had ???????
Het co2 gebeuren is een bangmakerij die alleen bedoeld is om geld uit onze zakken te kloppen. dat kan niet als je zegt dat de zon de schuldige is !!!!!!!
1000melvin 2 years ago
Google Translate:
why do so few people read and believe it not not CO2 the earth warms up just the sun that does millions of years with several ice ages and multiple klimaatvernaderingen far for the man but had some influence ???????
The co2 is a scare that happen only to money in our pockets right. can not you say that the sun is the culprit !!!!!!!
nwosigns 2 years ago
Telling us that global warming is caused by the sun is like saying water is wet!
I was almost convinced by the deniers (you lot) that there was some doubt in the scientific community, etc...
But then you know what happened?
You tipped your hand when you started with the conspiracies, and the vapor trails, the 'leftist media", and the ClubofRomeIlluminati, blithering nonsense...
So. Thank you. Your own idiocy speaks for itself.
KnightBiologist 2 years ago
So you're saying the articles are false or conspiracy? perhaps you didn't read them... I didn't write them :)
nwosigns 2 years ago
so you honestly believe that a gas that makes up for .054% of the total greenhouse gases is responsible for the earths climate? what about all of the many, many other factors that contribute to our atmospheric system. seems that picking a trace gas that is needed to support life and calling it a pollutant is kind of ridiculous. oh and 31000 scientists agree with me but they aren't allowed on the corporate/government controlled TV because those same corporate entities have much to gain from C02.
strapt313 2 years ago
31000 scientists you say?
scientists like Hawkeye Pierce, in fields such as veterinary medicine, and they checked exactly how many references. check the box that you are phd and you are even if you didn't graduate high school. heck you don't even have to be alive to be on that list.
that said .05% is more than the lethal dose of cyanide, that's more than the plasticizers in concrete. small amounts can have big outcomes.
DonHoraldo 2 years ago
and how many scientists agree that global warming is caused by humans? and of course, you shouldn't bring up anyone at the IPCC because they're all liars who are paid to promote their agenda. all the things you said could easily be applied to the IPCC. and according to you, you would have to believe that the climate has never changed pre-industrial revolution. which is really crazy seeing as the medieval warm period was much warmer than it is today. but shove that under the carpet too.
strapt313 2 years ago
this is not speculation. they published the petition. you can look up names on the list like Hub Hougland who is a dentist in Muncie, Indiana. now you can do the same fore ipcc you don't find the same pattern. every one earned the distinction of being on that panel.
next the medieval warm period was not suppressed but corrected. later studies showed that it was a regional anomaly in northern Europe not a global effect.
DonHoraldo 2 years ago
"the medieval warm period was not suppressed but corrected."--this was deemed untrue by the words of your own scientists. look at the emails. and no, i'm not going to tell you which one because you won't read it anyway. and the ipcc, the so called 2400 scientists, were also made up of their assistants and other non-qualified people. also, they have an agenda. of course they're gonna bring people in that agree with them. if they don't they loose funding.
strapt313 2 years ago
in other words you want me to root around in the dark so I can't disprove your claim with 3 clicks of the mouse. sir the emails have you read them? by you're comment It appears you haven't and instead just listened to the spin. beyond that the conspiracy claims just don't cut it. sorry.
DonHoraldo 2 years ago
and if your leaders aren't trying to stop it, then why should i believe a word they say? and why should you? this is highly political young man. to say it isn't would be very naive. and i hope, for the sake of science, that you're not one of those "consensus" people. that has to be one of the most anti-scientific arguments on the face of the planet. after all, there was a consensus on stephen hawkings black hole and look how that turned out.
strapt313 2 years ago
what happened to the black hole? ive been out of the loop.
leojboby 2 years ago
finally if you want to see proof don't look at the men and women in science but look at the science. it doesn't matter that the deniers are a minority in the applicable fields before you adjust for the ones that have no business commenting on the environment. the evidence shows that anthropogenic warming is real.
DonHoraldo 2 years ago
if gore and obama and all of the other elitists actually cared about global warming, they would simply cut americas "carbon footprint" in half by bringing the troops home. after all, the US military pumps out just as much co2 as the whole united states. but you never really hear that as a solution do you? thats because the same people who want war are the same people who want to tax you for breathing. wake up. you're being lied to by the biggest corporation in the world: our government.
strapt313 2 years ago
first off this is a discussion of the scientific claims of global warming. stick to the science. politics isn't science research. if you have a problem of how the govt spends money do so elsewhere but ether stay on topic or just admit you have no case in this arena.
by the way the person that told you the millions of scientists that are in climate related fields are telling lies, was lying.
DonHoraldo 2 years ago
even if you're right, and global warming was real, why hasn't our fearless leaders done anything about it? is copenhagen is supposed to change something? get real little buddy. all that will do is further suppress third world countries into never having electricity. you will never admit that gore and obama are doing nothing to stop it. that is right on topic. it's just that you blind followers will never criticize your leaders. bring the troops home and cut down co2 by 50%. what wrong with that?
strapt313 2 years ago
if the people pushing this propaganda about 1 of the four life giving compounds being a toxin, why aren't they doing anything to stop it? i'm even conceding that you're theory may be right. you will never win the argument that your leaders aren't even trying to actually stop it. and don't try and tell me that it isn't political. where there's money to be made, there politics to be played. (little life lesson for you). GE, goldman sacks would be proud of how well their propaganda worked on you.
strapt313 2 years ago
" and of course, you shouldn't bring up anyone at the IPCC because they're all liars who are paid to promote their agenda."
Oh my, thats a mighty huge brush your painting with. Whenever i hear this i start believing that this is just one more conspiracy theory than an scientific one.
It just seem that even if all these mighty corporations and highly influential and powerful political leaders were right... they couldn't be.. because they are all egotistical money-grubbing liars. no?
leojboby 2 years ago
actually, the super-elites who run the governments around the world, the same people who are shareholders in all of the private central banks(including the FED), don't care about money at all. they care about power and power only. and these are the same faggots who are pushing this GW scam.
strapt313 2 years ago
Are you simply trying to defend what i said? More of the same conspiracy proclamations
leojboby 2 years ago
they always give half truths. you've got to be smart enough to discern between what real and what bullshit. and i smell a lot of that coming from the IPCC.
strapt313 2 years ago
and another thing, if these fuckers truly cared, they would invest in geothermal energy. they would run big oil into the ground(which would be nice). why don't you ever see these traitors invest 700B(couldn't possibly imagine where i got that number) in renewable energy if they're so concerned? answer: they're not. they don't care about you or me or the earth. again, wake up. you're being lied to.
strapt313 2 years ago
you see, your problem is you're not looking at the big picture. i was a global warming freak too for about three years until i realized that it's all a game. it's all another way for the government to control us a little more. if you don't think endless wars and global warming are connected, you should take a step back. the only people who are going to gain from both are the same huge corporations that run washington and the rest of the world. now i wait for the "tin foil hat" response.
strapt313 2 years ago
no my problem is I'm bothering with you.
global warming is not a debate for the political arena. it is a scientific fact. claiming as you have dose nothing to change the sum of independent research from every part of the world coming up with the same results using independent information and methodology. again want to bash Obama, I may be on you're side depending on what topic you're talking about. I.E. as it stands now I don't want the health care bill to pass. but again that's not for here.
DonHoraldo 2 years ago
and maybe you're right. as a believer in science, i have to take into consideration that it's possible. but to say it's fact would mean to say it has gone beyond hypothesis and theory and has now become law. that hasn't happened yet buddy. so lets stay empirical. nothing about this has become fact. till then, i'll be waiting for the day i can drink a corona on the beach in antarctica. i'd rather live in a world where the glaciers are receding rather than advancing.
strapt313 2 years ago
sir you are confusing the terms in science.
a scientific fact is an observation. in this case the decades of observations of our climate.
a hypothesis is a explanation of a set of facts that makes predictions to be tested. like the hypothesis made last century about CO2 leading to dramatic increase of temperatures around the world.
a theory is a tested and retested hypothesis so that we know with arbitrary certainty that this is the only thing that fits the facts.
DonHoraldo 2 years ago
sure you can buy into fear tactics, but why would any rational person base any thing on computer models. models were never meant to tell the future and were never meant to be used as hard truths like they are today. from what i hear, we are in a prolonged warm period and we should really relish it because the next ice age is around the corner and it won't have anything to do with co2. when the next ice age comes, future generations will laugh at our primitive weather predictions.
strapt313 2 years ago
the next ice age is thousands of years off. actually going by the ice core data you bring up it's at least 20-50 thousand years off. but also if you look at the same data we should be starting in that direction. the peek was about a thousand years ago. the little hump you call the medieval warm period.
DonHoraldo 2 years ago
i'm not saying you're right or even i'm right, but to think that this "science" if free of political influence is naive. when your side agrees that consensus is the opposite of science and when the opposing view is openly debated, science will run it's course and will ultimately win. until then i, and others like myself will continue to scrutinize the evidence. after all, isn't that truly how science works? where would we be today if Galileo hadn't convinced the "consensus" they were wrong?
strapt313 2 years ago
and that is what has been happening for the past century. the consensus isn't of scientists btw, but of the results of study. sure you get 99.9% of working scientist in a room to tell how 1 study shows X, Y, and Z. and that is an argumentum ad populum. but get only a few with independent research with independent methodologies and have a consensus then that is science.
DonHoraldo 2 years ago
but look at again the same data you bring up we don't see the dramatic drop in temperatures in point of fact we have out paced it by several degrees and we are currently heading for a hotter time than even the 130,000 year ago peek that lasted just a few years. at current only about 500 years out of the last 420,000 was hotter then today.
DonHoraldo 2 years ago
it's hard for me to get worked up about this science when there is no way to tell the future. and it's even harder for me to except our world leaders to impose worldwide taxes on me for those predictions. this is why we have such a division when it comes to this matter. if we as humans would allow good, non-politicized, science time to run its course we wouldn't have a problem. and if governments continue to go by the rule of"do as i say, not as i do", then nothing will get done to combat it.
strapt313 2 years ago
again leaving the government issue to the people debating government, the science shows that anthropogenic warming is real and that it will continue under current CO2 production.
DonHoraldo 2 years ago
@DonHoraldo: oh and i love the fact that since it has now been proven that temps lead co2, you carbon theists are scrambling to come up with a crazy explanation that this process has reversed in the past 100 years. that's pretty rich. santa clause is coming to town too, just to let you know.
strapt313 2 years ago
no it's not a retrodiction. do any research and you'll see that our understanding of CO2 predates the spike in 1960's. the warming has been predicted from over century ago. there was a serious warning going on in the 1950's. this was predicted and no one listened.
DonHoraldo 2 years ago
a scientific law is a mathematical model to explain the how things work. force g=G*M*m/r^2 is a law.
the scientific law isn't the highest nor is the scientific fact. but the scientific theory is. as the theory is a collection of facts and laws it only stands that it is more important and takes priority.
DonHoraldo 2 years ago
for the record the us military only uses ~1% of the US's energy and has been gungho into alternative energy for a wile. just because it is the largest single energy consumer in the USA doesn't mean it uses 50% or more. so just for the record the USA is responsible for 20.2% of world CO2. lets give a error in you favor and say that the military produces 3x the amount from every other source per energy volume.
DonHoraldo 2 years ago
you can punch whatever numbers you want into a computer model, unless there is clear evidence in the past that higher global temps spell doom, i'm all for co2. bring it on. in fact, we should be producing more. we might be able to grow crops in the desert someday. hell, we could ship some off to africa so they could grow better crops. you're whole theory rests on co2 being a toxin which is laughable. whats next, water is going to destroy us all?!?!?! oh no, not life giving compounds! run!!!
strapt313 2 years ago
no one claims CO2 is a toxin. the claim is that it will re-radiate heat back to the lower troposphere increasing the temperature and effecting the environment. CO2 is needed without the current level of CO2 the world would be 60 degrees cooler. and yes in the past global warming has lead to extinctions.
DonHoraldo 2 years ago
the increase in ocean temperatures caused a decrease in trapped gasses including oxygen witch allowed a bacteria to flourish in the anoxic environment. this bacteria produced a poisonous gas, hydrogen sulfide, and killed 96 percent of all marine species and 70 percent of terrestrial vertebrate.
DonHoraldo 2 years ago
even you're theories are true, i just can't buy into the entire thing because of what the ice core samples show. if you look at what the NOAA has posted in the past, the medieval warm period was dwarfed by warming around 1200bc. and then before that and on and on. it's called climate change. it's what the earth has done for billions of years. i kind of half to laugh when people bring up data for the last hundred years as if that is a long time. it's not even a blink of an eye in earths history.
strapt313 2 years ago
this is why lawyers never admit evidence into a case before knowing it inside and out. by submitting it you give approval to it and the same graph you mentions shows an anomaly that paces CO2 in the atmosphere very well.
DonHoraldo 2 years ago
you keep talking in terms of hundreds of thousands of years which like predicting what i'm going to do next year because of a photo taken of me last year. 450,000 years is a mere blip of the earths history so saying today is the warmest period is nonsense when looking at the big picture. you know, out of all of the data presented by your side, no one ever takes into consideration the earths natural ability to correct itself when faced with abnormalities or humans abilities to adapt.
strapt313 2 years ago
in the words of the late George Carlin, "The Planet is fine, we're Fucked."
the fact is we have built our culture on a rather steady climate. saying Oh the earth should have a balancing mechanism is just fallacious. no there have been extinctions based on global warming. and no the trilobites weren't driving cars ether that was based on volcanic activity. near every thing on earth died allowing the small percent that survived to take what remained of the earth.
DonHoraldo 2 years ago
that means in the highly inaccurate estimation (inaccurate in your favor I might add) the us military produces .6% of the worlds CO2. that is less than china's extra production from burning coal for heat in homes instead of making electricity from the coal to heat with. I'll be the first to admit that is excessive (real amount is about the same as Nigeria) but disbanding the military wouldn't stop global warming it would hardly slow it down.
DonHoraldo 2 years ago
alright, i'll concede that you're right once again, what is so wrong with the earth warming? during the Cretaceous period it was 12 degrees warmer than it is today with much higher levels of co2. and what happened? plants and vegetation grew to enormous size as well as life forms. i'm just not understanding this absurd doomsday scenario these money grabbers are painting. there is absolutely no proof that higher temps would destroy the planet. (even if co2 led temps. which we know isn't true)
strapt313 2 years ago
what happened to cool off the earth? no it's not tremendous plants. it's central America. when the land bridge between north and south America connected it shifted the tides cutting off some of the water going to the poles allowing the expansion of the ice sheet and the current glacial cycle.
DonHoraldo 2 years ago
why is it that during the nearly four decades after wold war two, perhaps the greatest increase in carbon output, the temperatures went down at just as fast a pace? for nearly forty years! what can you spin about that? and and BTW, ".05% is more than the lethal dose of cyanide, that's more than the plasticizers in concrete. small amounts can have big outcomes. " - talk about fallacious.
strapt313 2 years ago
sir if you are not going to bother with actually looking at the evidence and instead persist to regurgitate the same statements that have been flying around for the past 40 years why should I bother.
experimental results shows that a small proportion of CO2 can trap heat wile allowing visible light to pass by. the only thing that current warming correlates to is CO2. that's the facts.
DonHoraldo 2 years ago
Very Good Video....
kindbluey 2 years ago 2
So does that mean the chemtrails will stop now then? because its still going on but the only thing is its being done during the night and very early morning the sky is white all over in UK it has been for ages and if sun breaks through the trails are behind it.
UkTruthSeeker2009 2 years ago 2
ACTUALLY "GLOBAL WARMING" is caused by my repeated FARTING......o.O
99minerkc 2 years ago
Good points thanks.
nwosigns 2 years ago
There are 2 problems with Global Warming;
1. Media Control
2. Politicians
Both have an agenda, and support each other & work for the masters behind the screen. If we can get back media control and put in 'independant' or 'honest' politicians.... then we will have a great chance to turn this nightmare around...before the USA is bankrupt with Carbon 'fraud' taxes and GMO foods..
aGlobalWarmingHOAX 2 years ago 3
THanks.
Check out the 6/30 update in the side bar.
nwosigns 2 years ago
God bless
FreedomILove 2 years ago
Yeah I agree with the vid.
If you are intrested in this subject, you should read "A state of fear" by Micheal Crichton. It's also about the global warming lie and how politicians use it to spread fear among the people in order to get votes. It's a good book, I recommend it.
Zinogamee 2 years ago 4
Sadly Michael Crichton is dead.....but his book is published and out there in the masses hands.. He must have had a good insight to this to impassion him to pen the book.
There are 2 problems to this Glo is media control
aGlobalWarmingHOAX 2 years ago 2
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...........says the man who still believes there is a creator.
pokerslut530 2 years ago
The science relative to earths history,orbital position relatice to the sun point to non man made global warming. but of interest,global warming does look like a cyclical thing
starview1 2 years ago 6
5 stars .. its about profits yes ...but also control... agenda 21 as you said ..thats the smoking gun
stimulater7 2 years ago 8
Excellent work! 5 stars!
Thanx for creating & posting :)
CCLJunky 2 years ago 3
hey ccljunky, Be sure to watch the "Global Warming - On Hold" video it has additional research in the links.
Thanks for watching and commenting.
nwosigns 2 years ago
pokerslut - geez, where do I begin...
FIrst, when I forwarded the link to the video, I assumed you were open minded enough to see through the propaganda that we've been fed... I was wrong.
Second, I never intimated, implied or stated that all scientists are bought and paid for. Now, if withholding or threatening to withhold funding for research is a bribe or being paid for, well that's something else. For the record, what I said or implied was that the ones from the report, who admitted...
nwosigns 2 years ago
pokerslut- PART 2
that the sun was the cause of Global Warming, the ones who helped the government establish policy (NASA) are also saying that man is affecting the climate... and what I intimated was that they are saying that so that they don't lose their funding.
Third, this is NOT conspiracy theory.
a. NASA was forced to admit that their numbers were in error
b. University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee's research
c. The research by the German Scientists
d. The 30,000 weathermen and scientists..
nwosigns 2 years ago
pokerslut - PART 3
d. The NASA report which states that the Sun is the cause of global warming
e. The Russian report that exposes the fact that policy and conclusions drawn from a single non related report about CFC's led to Freon being banned
f. The admission in the NASA report that because data didn't fit the model, it was ignored
All of that is conspiracy theory? I don't think so.
Fourth, Cabon tax...
Wow, unless you've been under a rock, you haven't seen the Minnesota Mileage tax...
nwosigns 2 years ago
pokerslut - PART 4
S. 835 to require 85% ethenol, Obama's and UN's Cap and Trade, California's Emissions requirements, the EPA adopting California's emissions requirements, the Legislation limiting Mining (coal), and all other "Policy" decisions being based on Global warming - MAN MADE global warming. The idea of an UN IRS is ludicrous, our own governments will implement cap and trade, and any carbon tax they want so long as people are told and believe in man-made global warming....
nwosigns 2 years ago
pokerslut - PART 5
And as far as the question of who benefits? It's sad that I have to explain this, but its the Elite.
My problem wasn't that I assumed that you were open minded... my problem was that I assumed you took the time to read the material.
It is clear you didn't read any of it.
Thanks for posting and watching though...
nwosigns 2 years ago
pokerslut - part 6
oh, and almost forgot... if "global warming" is man made, then why is Mars also experiencing "global warming" or Venus and Saturn?
nuff said..
nwosigns 2 years ago
Excellent arguments!
Just don't expect a response of the same quality from that guy ;)
CCLJunky 2 years ago 9
Thanks. Yeah, it was clear he didn't read the material. oh well.
nwosigns 2 years ago
Id also like an explanation for northern Europe being tropical pre industrial man. Oh and someone tell me why just 5 years ago the Discovery Channel was piping some bullshit about us going into the next ice age. Ya funny that show vanished... lets not forget the coldest winter here in the US in years. What an inconvenient truth. BTW did you know the Japanese government is suing Al gore for fraud with his warming shit. Google that :)
DrDissent 2 years ago 5
Interesting, I knew about the 30,000 weathermen and scientist, but not the japanese. If you have a link, I'd love to put it in the side bar.
Thanks for the comments and for watching.
nwosigns 2 years ago
Part 1 - I never said you said that - but that is what it would require in order for your theory to hold any water. If you're convinced science is being guided by funding either, that's ludicrous. So many individuals donate to projects, not just organizations.
2 - I know nothing of this mathematical error you keep referring to. I agree fully the sun very well may play a key role as well. To deny man's direct effects is pure idiocy, however.
3 - You think freon was banned due to ONE test?
pokerslut530 2 years ago
4, 5, 6 and into infinity - you are grasping at balls of lint on large carpets. Things like miscalculations could be thrown out entirely and the rest of the information compiled by scientists globally on a consistent basis would *STILL* show, that MAN is without any doubt negatively effecting our planet and ACCELERATING the natural process of global climate change. I'm just absolutely astounded anyone with any shred of intellect could even THINK to deny this. I'm done debating with morons.
pokerslut530 2 years ago
YAWN.....
Peridolin 2 years ago 5
lol.... man. There are so many problems with this conspiracy theory I don't even know where to begin. But I'll try:
1. Why would totally unaffiliated scientists located globally uniformly agree? How could someone or some organization infiltrated the minds of so many scientists, encouraging them to lie to the world? You realize this is what you're asserting, right? You assert that every single scientist that agrees is bought and paid for, and in short, is just a liar?
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pokerslut530 2 years ago
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2. You people seem to think this is so they can impliment a global carbon tax. There are so many problems with this, it blows my mind that you can even BEGIN to think this. Problems here are:
A. Who collects it? It's a "GLOBAL tax", thus we would need a GLOBAL tax service.
B. Who enforces it? Say it goes to the U.N. - are they going to add the U.N.I.R.S. to globally enforce this?
C. Who benefits from it? If its collected globally, who would be directly benefiting from monies?
...
pokerslut530 2 years ago
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Can you see now why I think you're nuttier than a squirrel turd? The logistical issues of this "theory" ALONE are insurmountable. I highly suggest practicing some critical thinking on this subject and you will surely come to the same conclusion: bullocks.
No one organization can POSSIBLY have the power to persuade, dissuade, guide, direct or effect nearly every scientist performing study's on global warming. Please use your brain a little bit before trying to "educate the public".
pokerslut530 2 years ago
Listen up monon, you havent done any looking past the TV and Al Gores bullshit, clearly. I bet you cheered in the parking lot when Al flew in on the jet that shit out more Co2 that you will in the next 3 years.
But hey lets just go old school on this weather thing. I suggest you throw yourself in a volcano and the rest of the people will cheer you on and pray for better weather and a good crop.
At least the tribal chiefs of old didn't charge the people for their bullshit.
DrDissent 2 years ago 6
"Monon" ... lol.
If you think that I'm convinced because of Al Gore or something I saw on TV, you're deeply mistaken. I have watched multitudes of videos on the subject done by all kinds of different organizations outlining exactly how they come to their conclusions.
I have a hard time understanding what the rest of your post was attempting to convey.. I am not fluent in retard, I'm sorry.
pokerslut530 2 years ago
The point is this sky is falling BS isnt new. Its just an old scheme replayed to invent new taxes.
If the world is going to come to an end because of Co2 (which happens to be great for plants) why wouldn't the government spend money on public education and mandate emission control. Taxing people wont stop the Co2 but its pretty handy if you're collecting the money.
LOL @ spelling moron wrong.
DrDissent 2 years ago 5
No one is saying the sky is falling. Everyone is saying if we do not immediately change our ways, we're going to seriously damage and perminately change our planet. Also, the only people I hear really talking about this carbon tax are those who are scared of it (not the ONLY people, but certainly you type of folks I would include in the main group).
pokerslut530 2 years ago
Go research cap and trade. Read it and realize its a giant taxation scheme. Again it does NOTHING to fix the problem if it does exist. Like I said is the real M.O. to save the planet of raise a lot of money?
PS better watch your pokerstar account doesnt get nabbed by the Feds. Google it.
DrDissent 2 years ago 11
DrDissent - don't bother. It's clear he doesn't read the material or research, all I got was a banter about this or that, but no evidence, just opinion.
Fact that he still doesn't know what Nasa error I'm referring to, means he didn't read the info on the previous video, and his other comments mean he didn't read the info in this video.
Oh well, you can lead a horse to water...
Thanks for your input though.
nwosigns 2 years ago
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lol this is coming from someone who disagrees with the overwhelming amount of evidence of evolution.... man.... I do pity you, seriously. No wonder you're so freaked out about the NWO. LOL
pokerslut530 2 years ago
Well I don't think its unhealthy to explore the possibility by any means, but the maker of this video who invited me to watch it seems pretty darn convinced this is pure fact when in reality it's tons of weakly founded speculation.
and hehe yeah i know all about the funds seizure by the DOJ unfortunately.. thanks for the heads up though. :)
pokerslut530 2 years ago
This is sorta part 3, 1st one was theory, 2nd part was new research findings, and this one, I guess you can think of it as proof. That conference from the 70's.. funny how no one ever questioned the results of 1 single solitary test (in Antarctica)... 1 fkn test and we have Cap & Trade. what a sham.
nwosigns 2 years ago
yeah, it's always their fault
nwosigns 2 years ago
well we have to save the polar bears because they are suffering having to swim around so much due to the ice caps melting and dodging all the russians looking for oil. yes it is a sad day when a polar bear has to go back to shore and sleep with a berry eating grizzly just to pass seed on to the next generation waitng for the sun to get it together, passing the days taking care of her growlers and prizzlys and knowing they will never survive to be true polars and will become extinct. the agony!
watcher0777 2 years ago 4
Polar Bears swim all the time and so do their cubs and also the ice caps have apparently considerably stopped melting according to some peer revue journals. Climate change is nothing new, this is simply nature taking it's course, it happened in the mini-ice age , to the dinosaurs and now to us, nothing new, nothing man created, just nature being nature. By the way, did you notice the ad/link beside this video? The one with the poor polar bears on it saying "let's stop global warming" what a joke
intellectualscum 2 years ago 4
Too funny... I use the AdBlock add-on for Firefox.. so I never see the ads. Interesting though, the one I see is the "Increase America's Energy Security" ad when I disable adblock. I never realized that the Ad in the main page is Huge..
nwosigns 2 years ago
so we have shut down every industry in the USA for nothing and now we are bankrupt. Al Gore will disagree, he has always be a worthless ass. I am a happy unemployed logger due to global warming. How stupid this country has become???
redline1189 2 years ago 3
Yeah, I actually think it's pretty funny. I'll say a prayer for him though.
Thanks for stopping by and for sharing.
nwosigns 2 years ago
I was waiting for someone to point this out. The media blackout is pretty damn obvious and this of course all comes as youtube is pushing that project "home" farce.
Thanks for making this video, lets hope more people see it and wake up.
DrDissent 2 years ago 4
right you are.
Between
1. the Blogger who forced Nasa to admit error in their calculations
2. And the research done by Germany
3. And the research done by University Wisconsin-Milwaukee
and this, I think we can safely assume that Global warming is a Hoax, and pretty much a policy tool to generate money for the rich.
nwosigns 2 years ago
its a tool to enable them to tax us for evry bit of energy we use ... a user pays tax ..like water meters.... also it is the ultimate control tool ..all food production uses fuel energy.... you can also get carbon tax credits if your country plants trees .... or even if they turn food crops into ethenol fuels..you can get credits ...equals greener planet BUT less food.... a days work for a loaf of bread
stimulater7 2 years ago 7
oh so true. problem is how are they going to collect taxes when no one has any money? this will end badly. I heard the term debtor's prisons... maybe that's where the GIVE act will enable us to work off our debt :)
nwosigns 2 years ago
it works like this .... if the farmer cant afford to risk to much fuel on a gamble that he may get a return in 6 months from his crop .... well then he plants less wheat .....SO bread company pays more for what wheat is available ..... bread gets more expensive ... if you cant afford you starve with the rest ... supermarkets dont give credit ...
stimulater7 2 years ago 5
Bwaahahaa.. that's great. Thank you KS.
Sadly, in the hatred, I believe he missed the message.
nwosigns 2 years ago
Not trying to be nasty... just think it's ridiculous.
God can't bless me if he doesn't exist. So, no need to pray for me.
Doesn't matter how much effort someone put into something; if it sucks it sucks.
theloganrocks 2 years ago
Not a prob. Thanks for watching.
nwosigns 2 years ago
thx for this. Ive been teaching my kids for years that the sun is responsible for all the climate changes.
It was easy to fool the narcistic amongst us. billions of tax payers money have been wasted, thousands of jobs depend on it and it also has brought about many forms of people control by the governments involved
carolannej 2 years ago 3
Thanks. I was actually quite shocked when I found the articles. Goes to show, you can't take things at face value. I like how Al Gore has all but disappeared and ignores interviews to address this.
nwosigns 2 years ago
It's a bummer that you put out this video. I've been subscribed to your channel for a long time, thinking that we might be of a like mind. I believe I was quite wrong.
theloganrocks 2 years ago
Oh man.. at the end of this video it turns out to be a bible basher... hah!!!!
theloganrocks 2 years ago
Not sure what that means, but thanks for watching.
nwosigns 2 years ago
You don't believe in evolution. You call people who do 'monkey', you ask us to pray for peace, and you say 'God bless you' at the end.
You never heard of the term Bible Basher? I'm surprised...
theloganrocks 2 years ago
You are a monkey
theloganrocks 2 years ago
Thanks. I hope people wake up in time.
nwosigns 2 years ago
Great video! Actually, it's not just Earth and Mars that are undergoing major changes...several other planets as well. You're right... looks like a lot of what's going on is to implement cap and trade.
fal2grace 2 years ago 4
Yeah, I have to find the articles that talk about Jupiter and Saturn. Thanks for watching and commenting.
nwosigns 2 years ago