HIP HOP IMAGES WOMEN AND EXPLOITATION

[bornjust2003]

Most of the porn magazines, feature young white women. Most of the women on internet porn, young white women, Most of the women in beastiality porn, young white women, Most of the women in girls gone wild videos, young white women, most of the women in rock video's, young white women, Most of the women in Las Vegas legal prostitution, young white women. Rap or Hip Hop "like everything else" is only the reflection of the larger society where white men exploit white woman.

[TheJackiemickie]

This bitch and hoe is liberal commie who does not believe in freedom of speech she is nazi who wants to tell woman what to do she hate freedom. She is a facist and thank God bitch you arent in the videos.

[OnlyChild28]

I'm trying to change it threw my music, u should make a new video showing how sum rap music is positive....and I'm leading the way...

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Soundclick search Only Child

[fcgfgcfg]

I am a big fan of MIA I think she is one of the few women artists who clearly give these douches some competition. I love her fashion, her individuality, sadly she is not mainstream :(

[dkupke]

I understand the concerns about the objectification of women-I am a red blooded male and sometimes it is just too much even for my taste. But the women in the media today are not quite the helpless victims they are argued to be. I saw an audition for a lingerie ad in NYC once where hundreds of women tried out-no one twisted their arms to do it. When women stop agreeing to display themselves that way, society will change. Nuff said.

[Tsugua21]

This women is a perfect example of educated doesn't mean smart and people with liberal art degrees are really stupid.

[auryn001]

I'm reading her book, "Black Noise: Rap Music and Black Culture in Contemporary America", as well as a lot of other books and research material regarding Hip Hop and Black culture. She gives some great incite that is shared with others, male and female. Of course, this topic is only ONE aspect of hip hop and is not new to American culture (look up the Blues term "hokum"). Blatant sexism in hip hop is an example of an underlying problem that must be addressed.

[PatersonFinest]

She's pretty/

[tgvas]

I can add just by first gklance at this person, SHE's an asshole, pretensive liberal who hasn't a god damned clue what she's inflecting about.

In other words, a bottle of steam.

[cajayson8301]

I took a college course with Dr. Rose about seven years ago...every statement she makes, including here, is jam packed with knowledge. It's just a shame she's not as well known as she is, yet she's reaching the celebrity status through each passing day.

Keep up the great work, Dr. Rose!

[fUCkyOUbL0WM3]

look at lady gaga and beyonce,rihana......i wouldn't want my little daughters listening to that shit,breading whores........jean grae,bahamadia,eternia,rah digga heres some women in hip hop who are staying true to there music and not slutting it out just to make money......its not only black women that are getting disrespected,look at how black rappers talk about white women,if a white man said that about black women on tv he would be dubbed a racist

[jennyisabout]

@fUCkyOUbL0WM3 Listen to the lyrics of Christina Aguileira on Woohoo singing about offering her pussy to men licky licky...obscene and blaring out on answering machines and in young girls fashion shops....Whats going on?

[SandrineSoprano]

@jennyisabout Oh dear. So sad

[RealHipHopTunes]

you have to look deeper, mainstream rap isn't hip hop at all, it is false representation of hip hop or in other words, fake hip hop, real hip hop is never played in the mainstream media, hip hop today isn't on the radio

[BenjaminFroberg]

booooooring..

[mohaghanyfarrjones]

I thought this bitch was Weird Al Yankovic until I clicked on the video....Da fuck!?...Ole dyke ass man-faced bitch. Good lawd @ that gouge mark on the side of her face.

[CameronJeremiahEnt]

I believe women get naked and shake their asses in videos willingly but why can't our black brothers man up,guide our black women and say stop being in these videos and that your beautiful with out taking your clothes off.These women get in these videos because they think that's what makes them sexy or beautiful and us black men need to tell and show them that they're beautiful with their clothes on too.

[RondoRaven]

Lady what you're saying makes sense, but it's not new. Since records have been invented as consumer products race and genre have been the marketing forces in America

About the women, who's exploiting who?

[cordovalove]

Feminism is not ruining men. Let's just get that straight. How is women claiming their - long overdue - equality, something that has been denied them for years - and to some extent still is. Male -dominated hip-hop has a bizarre love/hate relationship with sexually attractive women. On the one hand, they want to see the 'booty'. And yet paradoxically, complying with what is demanded of them makes woman whores/sluts. And of course, any woman who complains is a bitch....

[thirdshift47]

If that's your analysis of this post than you've missed the point.

Both black males & black women tend to be equally complicit in the exploitation of females in hip hop,more often than not as a direct response to label & market pressures that underline the consumer staus quo.

Whether you're the 'artist' or the accessory is irrelevant,because in the larger scheme,both tend to be mere corporate accessories.

[cordovalove]

But even if they are both corporate accessories - the corporation is male-dominated. Female complicity is undeniable - no one MAKES these women do what they do. But in a culture still so deeply patriachal....what chance do they have to think outside the dominant ideology?

[thirdshift47]

That's a fair point.But it's equally safe to presume that these businesses are just as much white 'male dominated'(which is a far stretch from a black male dominated industry.)

The fact is,as long as we as black people continue the trend of selling our culture whole-sale to white Patriarchal institutions,just so that a few of us can prosper from them,then we shouldn't be surprised at the end result...

[thirdshift47]

....As a long time fan of hip hop I can tell you that the critique of the industries sexual politics seems to me ultra-conservative & out-moded.

Indeed,what bothers me more in hip hop is not the representation of black women as much as the virtual exclusion of black female emcees that would help bring balance to those images.

I also take issue with all of these bourgeois blacks that would find female 'degredation' in rap more noxious than guys rappin' about actually KILLING black males.

[SandrineSoprano]

@cordovalove Totally well put.

[Tsugua21]

@cordovalove The only part of your dumbass comment that was right was "any women who complains is a bitch". Nobody put a gun to these women heads, they made the choice to be in the video. Oh, I forgot you can't hold a black woman accountable. And Forcing companies to hire incompetent women is not equality, you just keep good men out of work and force the other men in the company to work harder and pick up the slack for the sorry ass women who do more complaining than work.

[tom11zz884]

that professor makes alot of sense in what she is saying, but unfortunately, little will get changed because it is all about the mighty dollar that rules everything.

[amoohjob]

A YOUNG woman should stablishe her relationhipe withe her man base on howe she sxually relate to others and so is men no materonamy its juste a game and we are the players believe me

[nevasober88]

i hate when people dont know how to speak or write and try to seem intelligent. You know what im saying amoohjob

[filmtress]

What?

[joharmon86]

why is it automatically "exploitation". the women that are actually in these videos actually have fun and enjoy what they do for the most part and are proud of it. they think it's sexy, they get paid, it makes them feel good, and some of them are just freaks in the bed and horny/sexual beings. Exploitation assumes that they are being controlled or forced in some way; their behavior pleases themselves; it's not just for men who hold more social power and therefore use them.

[jhrnews]

You should search for the video "Women on the Mic." It looks at Hip Hop as a vehicle for empowerment for women in Sierra Leone. It's posted on our Youtube nonprofit Channel.

[thedominans]

If you really actually got somthing important to say on the radio,Trust me, they not gona play your music cause that mean you got too much power at the mic and they dont want you sayn something thats gona REALLY wake people the fuck up.You know you're hard core when they dont play your shit on the radio.U can sell your soul but you aint gettin respect from the world cause they will just see like an uncivilized ignorant uneducated savage. If they see your image on TV enough like that they believe

[thedominans]

Well you dont see them playn Dead Prez and other underground talented rappers on BET or MTV all willy nilly. They give those types of artists a hard time getting promotion on the main stream, ....that should tell you something. They dont let real black positive poetic talented rappers on the radio like that or in the mainstream...why not??? Makes you wonder right.

[biggsleezy]

Why you people complain about misorgny in the media, what about misandry.

I saw a ad on youtube resently, one guy was decribe by his wife doing some shit that dogs do like eating dog food and his name was rex. No one says any shit about that. Tell which is worse, being described as a dog or having a bunch of horny guys worship your body

[Crouton351]

Because it's politically correct not to. Women are saints and men are retards- it's complete bullshit. That's one of the ways feminism is ruining men.

[biggsleezy]

Exactly, so if misandry in the media(like ads) can be accepted why not this

[Crouton351]

Because it's politically correct to bash men and worship women.

[mohamed724]

why is everyone blaming black people for violence and degrade of women when whites re much worser

[theabomation]

That's bullshit are movies responsible for violence and degrading women NO! so why say rap is

[theabomation]

The women in their videos degrade there self's no one makes those women shake their ass!

[kmg0330]

No one makes rappers write their lyrics...they're still responsible.

[knucklez718]

if hip hop really did disrepsect women the ssame women wont be dancing to those same songs that disrepect them.

[kmg0330]

Accepting disrespect shouldn't excuse the people that are disrespecting the women.

[knucklez718]

women are the ones accepting it.When women stop dancing in videos mayb every will get the message that its disrepectable.

[kmg0330]

You're absolutely right, but it shouldn't excuse anyone that benefits or has anything to do with it and we shouldn't for that to happen because not all women accepts it.

[MusicisUnderratedM]

Its not like someone is pointing a gun to their heads telling them to get naked, most of the girls do it willingly

[kmg0330]

I never said otherwise..My point is that everyone is responsible...not just the women and not just the artist. No one can do what they're not allowed to do..so what can she do if the artist say, "you can be in my video, but you'll be in a rhinocerus costume and you'll just be standing still"..you think she'll turn it down.

[knucklez718]

it mainly because the public supports it.if a rapper makes millinos off a song they are going to give the public what they want.And it would make no sense for them to stop because they are still getting your money

[knucklez718]

Also i think the problem simple though.its money.The girls dance in the video for money they are not forced they do because they want too.And the men makes those songs because they are making millions of dollars off it.therer no message just money

[kmg0330]

That's obvious, but I think it's bigger than money. You think Jay-Z, T.I., Lil Wayne, etc. would lose money if they stop degrading women or portrayed better images of women? I beg to differ...but if you think so then you have described a very talentless genre of music.

[kmg0330]

Now I was with until you said "it would make no sense for them to stop", well disrespecting women don't make sense to me, so I guess that's the difference of opinion.

[mightyblack1]

Alot of these sistas {not all of them} who choose to let the media of any pimp them in a negative and they need to wise up and find other legit ways to make money.

[shieldsff]

The love of money is the root of all evil. A greedy, selfish person is really a[n] idolator! A word to all the wise folks: No greedy, immoral, cowardly, violent person will inherit the Kingdom of God. Word-up: Repent and Believe on Jesus Christ, Saviour of the World.

[batmnrkc907]

I blame Supahead

[mightyblack1]

Don't forget that bitch Buffy the body.

[dlfunky]

people always say oh why do these women do it but what else is their outlet? mainstream media will not celebrate their beauty they exclude them so here, they believe rightly or wrongly is an opportunity to be INCLUDED whether its damaging or not. Dont blame the victim blame the perpetrator.

[jaydog1953]

This assumes that that perpetrator (rappers) can ONLY demean women is they recognize their beauty. Why can't these grown ass men talk about fine ass women without calling them bitches and hoes? Clearly, we need to blame the perpetrator for disrespecting our women. They are weak cowards for refusing to protect, defend or celebrate their own women. Instead, they universally call them bitches and hoes. No adult male rapper has gone platinum without calling women bitches and hoes since the 1990s!

[kmg0330]

Whose the victim? There are no victims.

Woman: I want to be in a music video.

Video Director: OK

Who's the victim here?

[theabomation]

i agree Hip Hop and music in general speaks about what they see day to day rappers just tell you what they see......

[kmg0330]

But rappers see more than what they talk about?

[dreskilove]

I love this she is so right. You need to study her read her book pit it in presentation form and FOR FREE educate your community get the word out or continue hiding in the bushes watching from ths sidelines as our next generation goes down.

[geenidee1993]

we rap about things we see

[SoundsOfHarmony]

That's Dr. Rose's point, that we need to culturally express more than the reality we see today. Vision has to be expressed as well, we have to express where we want to go. The hip hop that is under the critical lens, is the commercial gansta hip hop that corporations produce and mold into the images they want. Do these images represent us as black people, or should we be creating our own images of representation and bring them forth in our cultural expression?

[geenidee1993]

bullshite

[SoundsOfHarmony]

According to Dr. Rose: Hip hop has become a commodity co-opted by corporations. The prime images of blackness (the hip hop trinity: gansta, pimp, and ho) in commercial hip hop are the same images that justified slavery and Jim Crow. The problem is that in an environment plagued by chronic joblessness, gansta has become a source of income . "Thug life shouldn't be a product, it should be a crisis we try to change." We can't just represent who we are, we have to represent who we want to be.

[VAkraut]

Huh? I'm sorry. I heard this doctor speak on CSPAN, and she puts way too much into hip-hop and rap music. The effects are perpetuated by white people ages 16-30 puchasing it. C'mon. She said a few good things, but at the end of the day, it sounded a whole lot like rationalization and excusing away. There are gangsta rappers because of oppressed brothers, gangsta rap because of disenfranchisement, maybe, just maybe, they want to be gangsta rappers.

[SoundsOfHarmony]

If this is what you truly believe about black urban low income youth, then you need to look deeper at the reality of their lives.

[budatress]

women in general come from being propert In this country. Sexuality owned by males, repressed and exploited. from witch trials, to the women's suffrage, and putting themselves into the workforce with it's continuing pay gap.

[alwayznaija]

oh yeah, how about the representation of white women in play boy, as cheer leaders e.t.c ?

[budatress]

yes, 80's metal was the first to be called out for objectifing women. This objectification is in pop, country and rock and alternative today.

[budatress]

see " violence in media women advertizing", "generation M".

'exploitation of women through media" yes, white males have more of a diversity.

[glitchesandglitter]

attack males, instead attack the media.. because the media is tied to a corporation, which is not a person. as for who is more sexist i'd say that since you seem so hell bent on destroying the credibility of males you seem pretty sexist yourself.

[buggeazy]

well these rappers like to show there power and money and wat type of girls they are getting to the lower class guys in the hood that dont have that luxury point blank..no hate

[melyssafordsis1]

it's okay for a white women but not for black does hue hefner exploit women..........yes he does jus because he has a modeling business doesn't mean he's not doin that to just get him some huh thought so

[Janvierireland]

"its what men do"that is sexist(and not the way womens and mens bodies are) for example using womens bodies for sex when he does not love her,raping women,being a deadbeat when his wife/girlfriend has their child,believing he is superior to women,calling women whores,etc

[glitchesandglitter]

you seem to have captured this concept in your head of what males in this country are and you refuse to let it go. you seem to stereotype men based on your veiled view of society which you've picked from watching television. in my opinion we're all animals. i agree with what janvierireland said, it's biology that males are dominant. if you have a problem with the male than you should change species. better yet you should go into the woods and start lecturing male animals. i say don't

[Janvierireland]

Zachskrit,hip hop and the entertainment media generally cannot be relied on to give accurate information about sexuality because what they say about men,women and sexuality is untrue.

What I meant by "what men do" is that is that the fact that men and women receive each other while making love or that women can become pregnant and give birth is not sexist since only nature has it that way,-

[zachskrit]

Firstly, Sexism is not bad. Is it sexist for women to give birth? Is it sexist for women to receive the male penis? Obviously Women and men have roles and by being upset that they are not treated exactly the same is ridiculous. That being said, The culture I come from doesn't let it's women shake their asses and throw money in front of Escalades. I don't support that behavior but when i oppose it I am called a racist... what to do?

[niggasVSgods]

whoever calls u a racist 4 dat dont kno wut their talkin about.

[Janvierireland]

"Is it sexist for women to give birth? Is it sexist for women to receive the male penis?"These things are not sexist in itself because that is just nature but its what men DO and not the way bodies are that is sexist."sexist for women to receive the male penis?"Actually in a love relationship men and women receive each other.

[zachskrit]

Ummm ok... I feel like sentences like, "what men do" are more sexist than "women receive the male penis." One is a biological fact, men put their penises inside the female body, the other a generalization of the behavior of an entire sex based upon your experience with a small minority of the group as a whole.

[Janvierireland]

What I was saying was that it is not true that women receive the mans penis,but that biologically no one is meant to be dominant over the other when making love which means as a matter of fact men and women receive each other when making love---

[Janvierireland]

so therefore they are both on equal terms,your untrue statement of women"receiving the male penis" sugggests that you are trying to rationalise male domination.One could also say that the vagina engulfs the penis,you know- so your "penis receiving" statement is nonsensical and cruel.

[zachskrit]

Absolutely not. Of course one sex is biologically ordained to be dominant over another, especially in the case of sexual relations. It may not be morally commendable but it is a reality. It is quite easy to tell which sex this is in a given species by the attributes of size an strength. Men are larger and stronger,therefore biologically dominant. In other animals females are dominant.The fact that women are often raped illustrates this fact. Again not morally ok but biologically understandable.

[zachskrit]

Further more one need only look at the technological, scientific or philosophical contributions made by Men as compared to Women. In the course of history Women have created several important things.But everything else came from men. You might argue that this is because women were kept down in society in the past or repressed. Their susceptibility to suppression only demonstrates their comparative submissiveness to man's dominance as they are not a minority on earth and are infact a majority.

[blackpen91]

she makes no sense, how do hip hop videos exploit women?

think about that, all they do is show women half naked, nudity is natural

[tremonishasmarts]

Blackpen91, this is idiotic.

[blackpen91]

tremonishasmarts, did u mean my comment is idiotic? or the video is idiotic?... cus i bet most of the people who voted my comment thumbs down didnt even think about what i said, they just acted against what society has deemed "sexist"

[onebadgs400]

yes Blackpen91 is an idiot. We don't start sentences with (how do). These are great points. Unfortunately hip hop is commercial now and being used by the white man to keep the black man and woman down. Very sad. Hip Hop is dead.

[niggasVSgods]

ye but black man and black woman r willing to do ANYTHING 4 money lettin the white man slave dem around and do dat jigg like a good ole jigga boo coon.DIS IS NIGGA MENTALITY SICKNESS.

[blackberryjuice1]

Lee Siegel talked about this with regards to the internet and Alvin Touffler's concept of the "prosumer".

[Bl3ssing]

Further proof that no matter how much you lie to others or yourself the truth always comes out. Thank you for speaking the truth sister!!

[bygINCpresents]

thank God somebody is starting to talk about this.. turning cultural spaces into product spaces... we think corporate before we think... let's talk about this more. let's talk about this more, we NEEEEED to talk about this more, this is the future.

[AoiSkywalker]

hmm...

[Slychee2]

A very smart woman!

[RLW1967]

Tricia is very articulate.

[blackberryjuice1]

please don't call another black person "articulate". you know why.

[RLW1967]

Chill, blackberryjuice1.

[88racket88]

Why not?

[tremonishasmarts]

because it's condescending. it shows that you are presuming that black people aren't articulate, and thus you need to make public note when you encounter a black person who actually speaks well.

Don't let MTV or BET shape your perceptions of how Black people speak. More of us are "articulate" than not.

I don't know if you're black or white, but it doesn't matter. Some Black people harbor ignorant beliefs about Black folks, too.

[88racket88]

It's not condescending to call someone "articulate". It's condescending to call someone "articulate' despite their race or whatever. For eaxmple:

You are articulate-not condescending

You are articulate, for a black person-condescending. And anyway, public speaking is not easy for a lot of people regardless of race.

[incubusrsnnglyp]

the women hater is the most stupit creatue on the earth. allright they will do anything to try to put a women down, then call her a stupid name to make themselves feel good about there sad life. they try to justify there behavior, but the truth is, there is no excuse. no women derserves disrespect nor does a man. If a guy ever called me a stupit name I would make him eat my fist. the problem is alot of women don't learn how to fight they should. women haters suck your dick for the last time

[dancekingshon66]

Iz that a man or a woman talkin?

[BIGKEEF]

he view on Hip Hop is limited 2 mainstream media...

[ilmillione]

That is the media that is most influential even the underground is effected.

[BIGKEEF]

true...but still there are plenty of emcees (mainstream underground) who don't objectify women...Little Brother, Lupe Fiasco,Pharaoh Monch,Common

problem is neither Hip Hop nor it's greatest critics shed light on any of them

[myme67]

does she have a dick?, no so she dont understand men, so please, rappers dont degrade women, women dergrade themself, BOOTY!

[myme67]

WOMEN TALK DO DAMN MUCH

[ilmillione]

Knowledge and wisdom is neither male or female.She doesn't deny the fact that women degrade themsevles,she's speaking about what's rewarded in the game and what perpetuates these images.

[68NYC]

This is True!!

~Thanks for posting!!

[pm512]

man, intelligent and cute. i like her.

[JPetrucci744]

Nailed.

[naturalsystah]

excellent summation.

[rychousmama]

This is an awesome video, thanks for posting this. I am glad someone like Tricia Rose has the courage to go out there and speak out about the capitalist, racist, classist, and misogynist forces behind sexism in hip hope and rap.

[TehRahk]

What's the name of this woman?

[ilmillione]

Her name is Trica Rose.She is the author of a book entitled "Black Noise".

[ladyraven30]

Thanks for this...

[funkg]

who is this cute chick?

[starli631]

preach

[Uberboricua]

I wish she would've gone into more detail, particularly about the diversity of representation. I'm not sure if she even hangs around here, but I'd love to have the chance to ask her about it. I've read a different viewpoint from another sociologist (Deena Weinstein).