Europeans put American car companies down and say Americans do not know how to make good cars because this is them trying to convince themselves that Europeans are supposedly better / smarter than Americans, when in reality Americans have made and still make among the best technology in the world when we want to: Jet aircraft (F-22, Boeing 787, B-2, etc.), Apple, IBM, Microsoft are all American companies; Hollywood - best movies and TV in the world. The Internet, YouTube, Facebook -> American
@Northax Yes Northax but none of those are cars. This is the point, American cars are great in America but in Europe we have been used to so much more for far longer that truly American cars come across as basic and often not well built and don't survive well over here. Some of the top American cars are only just moving into fully independent suspension, ours have had it so long they are moving onto multi point geometry, it's just different car culture.
Europeans put American car companies down and say Americans do not know how to make good cars because this is them trying to convince themselves that Europeans are supposedly better / smarter than Americans, when in reality Americans have made and still make among the best technology in the world when we want to: Jet aircraft (F-22, Boeing 787, B-2, etc.), Apple, IBM, Microsoft are all American companies; Hollywood - best movies and TV in the world. The Internet, YouTube, Facebook -> American
As for American car companies never truly caring about cornering? Look at American roads, they are not tiny, nor most of them cornering. Most are STRAIGHT! Most Americans cared much more about just traveling long distances, because America is over 3000 miles in length, and many travel cross country with lots of stuff inside for vacationing and whatnot. No one needs to go fast around corners in the U.S., that is why they never made fast cornering cars here. GET A BRAIN! I thought you were smart?
Ive been to Europe and I punched one of you little faggots for puttin my camaro down after I went and rented on then raced him in his BMW POS and kicked his ass on the track and then proceded to beat the fuck out of him. and I graduated from Harvard so you know that Im not a redneck bitch so try me Ill kick any of you scrawny bitch fuck crocked tooth motha fuckas any day of the week.
I don't spend my time while driving touching and molesting the top of my dash and worrying about the plastic-y feel of it. BMW does the same thing of using plastic woodgrain, etc. They use the same type of aluminum hoods, plastic panels, etc. I'll agree with a few things from this vid. The parking brake release and the hood release are wayyyy too close. LOL Once you own it for a while though, you'll never have that issue. The CTS is faster then 7.6 in 0-60 for sure. I'd say 7.0 in a 3.2 v6 stock
@TheJamezMan Go research it. They had a thin sheet of wood, wrapped in plastic for alot of the interiors, and they use the same aluminum on a majority of the outside panels as well. There's nothing WRONG with it, its just that Top Gear criticizes things on American cars just because its an american car. Its light aluminum, there is PLASTIC in the BMWs, and I'm not lying. Search "CNET-BMW 650i Convertible Review". 2:07 I've read the thing with the woodgrain on one of the 3 series.
@oDTheTruth I've seen and felt the materials. It's not all plastic, that is the main point. All the Cadillac's I've ever driven in/owned have been BETTER than the German or Japanese cars for reliability and long-term driving. That's not to say the American cars have better quality, because they don't. Everything else is great from my experience. Worst quality car for reliability I've owned was a Mercedes. NEVER had those problems with Cadillac. I still like Mercedes however.
@TheValidity101 If you look at the new CTS interior, you'll see the quality on the interiors has gone way up. And Top Gear just tends to bash american cars for the same things they WOULDNT bash german cars for. Im an avid car lover. I know the interior of my 1st gen CTS isn't made with top notch materials, but I don't touch or molest it long enough to really tell. LOL I just don't see the whole point of saying we use aluminum and plastic and laughin when other car makers are doing it
@oDTheTruth Yeah I've been in the new CTS. The design is beautiful and the quality is quite good. Top Gear pisses me off with there anti-American bullshit when in Britain there cars are SHIT. The suck up to neighboring countries. The only thing they have right is the Aston-martin. Ford's are made in Germany over there and are better then most European cars by miles. Though you have to give credit to the Germans. Cadillac is reliable, comfortable, smooth, the technology is good ect...
@TheValidity101 I'm not taking away from the Germans. The British don't have cars. Aston Martin is owned by Ford, Jaguar and Land Rover are owned by an Indian company, etc etc. The British don't really have their own car companies anymore.
@oDTheTruth Aston Martins are no longer owned by Ford. It was bought from Ford in 2007 by a joint group that included David Richards, John Sinders, Adeem Investments and Investment Dar.
@HDMFly Are you on drugs,or just plain thick? Care to cite your evidence on which you base your absurd comments? P.S you hardly need to point out the fact that not a UK citizen,only an American could come up with your level of stupidity!! I'm dying to hear your explanation though!
im pissed at my friend cuz he thinks he knows everything about cars cuz he watches shit gear, its just a biased gay british trio trying to look bad ass because theyre still pissed at what happened at 1776 and how the US owned them
you know what really upsets me america doesn't get Luxury saying basically we all are cheap have no clue what luxury is im sorry we used to be the most successful country in the world until our biggest mistake ever buying foreign things our cars were luxury way before any other car in the world. Cadillac was the first luxury car. i do have to say our cars should be alittle more luxurious for the price but the all new Cadillac CTS i mean 2008 - 2011 have like no plastics. Dont put America Down
I just bought one and I am loving it. I am an Aussie who lives in London. Back home I have a supercharged V6 Ford. After 2 years of a fiesta here in London I feel whole again. Yes it is a big rig and uses a shitload of fuel. But it makes me happy to rip it up in the streets of London and on the motorway it is quality.
@E60BMWM5 You left out Australia. If you want a simple, practical, safe, fast, reliable but also luxury (although I am stretching a bit far on luxury), purchase a Holden Commodore - which is the Pontiac G8 in America (thats right you guys didn't design or build this car) or the Vauxhall VXR8 in Britain. The guys on top gear have all said how much they love it.
Americans are European descendents ( germans, dutch, british etc) so...Europe is the original and America is a copy. Science, arts, technology etc etc were all born in europe. Europe`s the cradle of modern civilization. of course i`m not mencioning Maya culture, Persian, Asian cultures that were pretty advanced. so, north america was all about indians riding their horses eheheh the true americans the others just came and stole.even the brightiest scientists on america were german ex nazis.
@rammstein2001 And Germanic Nordic people were nothing before the Mediterranean Romans moved up north and and then the Germanics invaded and stole their technology, if you truly want to go back in history. So everyone takes from each other and builds. Ha?
CTS isn't a nice car. Its a POS. Even Americans agree it's a POS. I own a CTS-V and its a POS. The new models are catching up with the Germans though.
i am a former jaguar man turned cadillac man. i ve owned an 89 xj6 2005 xj8 and a 2002 xjr. here is my two cents. jags are like a beautiful women with a vd. they are awesome to look at, designed gorgeous, but mechanicaly a freakin nightmare! everything from microswitches burning out to radiator hoses falling off , to transmissions that have no drain plug! i love my caddy xlr, and my deville. the feel of material pales in comparison but they are more fun and less to maintain!
lets compare a cadillac sts from 1994 and a jaguar from the same era, see which one needs a tune up first, the brits are so crass and ego driven its nearly pathetic, inferior motor cars inferior speedways inferior military, theres a reason why brits talk so much shit about america and you rarely see an american mentioning a brit in an ill manner. JEALOUSY cut and dry
Clarkson complained about British Leyland cars to the point that the workers blamed him for their factory closing. He complains about cars that are bad from every nationality.
What on earth does the military have to do with the flaws of American cars? You are just chauvinistic about your country and are taking the criticism personally. The fact of the matter is, while Cadillac are fine for around the town driving on wide American roads, they were not good for challenging drives
@ihaveadesk1 im guessing the international benchmark track isn't a challenging track? I guess beating bmw, audi, and merc at their own game isn't that great. Esspecially seeing how cadillac pulled this out of no where. This is a great car through and through. Smooth as a caddy sharp as a bmw. Not to mention its half the price, twice as fast and when you buy one you don't wake up at 4am to beat the rush at starbucks to buy 50dollar coffee at so you wont be fatigue sitting on your ass all day
I agree that this car is great. The person I was replying to was talking about Cadillacs in the 1990s and saying it was only the British jealousy that led them to not being liked there for their performance. That is why I quoted an American magazine which said the same thing about earlier Cadillacs, they could not handle sustained performance driving (though most of them tended to be quite reliable otherwise, particularly for GM), unlike powerful cars that are built to run in Euro
"That we could even contemplate putting a Cadillac up against the best from BMW and Audi and not have the thing left gasping and wheezing, brakes on fire and suspension turned to mush after three days of hammering around Bavaria shows how far Caddy has come from the days when most of its customers left their teeth in a glass by the bed at night."
Motor Trend "Comparison: 2013 Audi RS 5 vs 2011 BMW M3 vs 2011 Cadillac CTS-V"
I dont understand why American cars were sooo bad at sometimes. They make some great cars but sometimes fuck it up. And for along time they really made some shitty cars, why idk.
It's because GM, Chrysler, and Ford cut too many corners to keep prices down. There's this thinking of "Americans want trucks and SUVs, not cars". Bob Lutz of GM has publicly said it. So the BIg 3 made BAD ones, a lot of them, then wondered why nobody bought them. Then when there's a crisis, they start making decent cars . They have a bigger profit margin on trucks and SUVs. Cars are harder to make money for them.
Errrr! Hammond, it is Nordschliefe, not Nordeschleife. Before you correct the spelling of American presidents, if you want to use an original pronounciation for german, learn first how it is pronounced right.
I love this, Americans admire British, and British make a Britishit out of Americans. LOL, Chase Usama bin Laden so that British should despise you in peace.
This model is OK, but the current version is light years ahead ni terms of interior refinement and overall finish. The only Gen I CTS that I'd consider is the V model with the C5 Z06 engine.
These cars are pretty good i have the 2007 3,6L and a 2007 cts v in my collection of cars,im no pimp nor a an old woman but a british pilot. with several american cars..
The old Seville STS was an great car performance 0-100 6,7s, 9l/100km if you drove it within in the speed limits and an exellent in driving long distances. It also had speed sensitive suspension so it wasn't soft and it didn't roll like other american cars with leaf springs yet it was extreemly comfortable
Morgan, atom, lotus? That's really what you're going to say. Lotus has been no where for years minus their 4 cylinders. Morgan is a boutique car for rich people. Very nice, though they source a BMW engine.
I know it's a global market, but I judge by where most of the dollars end up. Toyota produces all Tundra's in San Antonio, but I would NEVER call Toyota American. Their engines powered Kamikazee's, no way in hell would I ever call them "American"
@grahamkeithtodd That's because it's cheaper to be built there, like in Mexico. You're saying Mexicans build/design cars better than Americans could? LOL! No. It means American car companies get their cars ASSMEBLED outside of America because it's cheaper. That's why a lot of products are made in China, too, and shipped to America: CHEAP to buy for American companies and then they sell them for more price, then that = more profit. You people have little brains, huh? lol! Doesn't make it Canadian
Not really, it stops about there. And NONE of those except the mini is driven by the "commoner" - again, if a 'good car' costs 50k plus then sure, England makes good cars.
@mtb416 aston martin, tvr, nobel, mg, mini and lotus.everything from british leyland. next time u criticise a country make sure u know a couple of things about it. idiot.
@B789c Mini is owned by the Germans and all the rest are boutique manufacturers with perhaps the only exception being Aston Martin which was just sold by Ford. TVR has been plagued with problems for years, from administration to actual vehicles. You sir, are the idiot.
@Zenkchi99 Nobody. I'm speaking about the self-induced ignorance of Top Gear. Of course they chose Richard Hammond for this particular piece because he's more fair in his critique, whereas the others are always stuck on nationalist, and anti-national, ideals.
That being said Top Gear is the best car show to date. Take it easy.
And America has never truly went into the luxury market until recently. We invented and perfected the mass-production of vehicles, not just kept up the status-quo that only the rich could have one as the English have long loved and kept going.
Are you fucking serious? Jaguar, Lotus, Range Rover, Aston Martin, McLaren, Ariel, Caterham, Noble, Ascari... Some of them maybe foreign owned, but they're still designed and built here.
@BigGee84 Take away cottage brands and you're stuck with Land Rover, Jaguar, and Aston Martin. Take away anything less than 100k and you're stuck with the former two. Take away anything that has "value" in it and you're stuck with nothing.
First off, you obviously can't appreciate someone being facetious. Second, I'm not really a Cadillac fan. Third, the Cadillac will burn all those except the Noble. You can't compare open-wheel cars to a luxury sports sedan. Though of course you can try.
@mtb416 Point 1: You count McLaren and Lotus as 'Cottage Brands'? What I find amazing is that America, despite its colossal size, has yet to produce anything of note in the automotive industry. American cars are synonymous with 'cheap', and for good reason. As for your sports cars, take away anything that Lotus was not heavily involved in the design of, and you have... the fucking Viper.
"the Cadillac will burn all those except the Noble"
@BigGee84 Go look at the Nurburgring times for the CTS-V, Viper, and Corvette, then compare them to UK offerings. That should be a funny exercise. And the punchline is your juxtaposition of Cadillac with McLaren, not that's funny and pathetic. All your bloviating is predicated upon an overall anti-American sentiment you carry around anyways. Saying that "America has yet to produce anything of note" is factually stupid. Get over it, unless it's overpriced the UK CANNOT produce a car of value.
@BigGee84 American literally invented the automobile industry, so at the very least America has "produced something of note" by allowing mass production of vehicles to be made possible. People like you really get under my skin. It's as if you're unable to think about anything that isn't already in that tiny brain of yours.
@mtb416 "American literally invented the automobile industry"
Here we go. Just like you captured Enigma, right? Germany is credited with inventing both the internal combustion engine and the first car. So spare us the usual 'America invented this and that' crap.
"It's as if you're unable to think about anything that isn't already in that tiny brain of yours. "
@BigGee84 What makes absolutely no sense is your misunderstanding of "industry" and the fact that Ford perfected, if not truly invented, the assembly line. I'm well aware the Germans invented the first car.
How long is it going to take for you to realize you're an idiot?
@mtb416 "Ford perfected, if not truly invented, the assembly line."
And I could counter with 'Britain started the Industrial Revolution' with the rest of the world playing catch-up for 50 years. We're talking about the current state of the automotive industry, and currently, America is behind.
"How long is it going to take for you to realize you're an idiot?"
Ah, the pungent smell of desperation. When your argument fails, resort to juvenile insults. Wow, I'm so offended.
@BigGee84 American invented the car industry, this is just fact. Your incessant straw-man routine is tiring, stupid, and indicative of your inability to realize when you're wrong.
The UK can make good vehicles, but not at the price any normal person could afford. You make mind-bendingly stupid generalizations such as "America never contributed anything to the auto industry" and you expect to be taken seriously? Please, you sound like an idiot and therefore I called you one. Go whimper.
@BigGee84 Your right BigGee, America has in no way, shape, or form contributed to the production of the automobile. Again, America has in no, way, shape, or form contributed at all to the industry of automobile production. Again.......
Prior to Henry Ford the "automobile" was nothing more than a novelty item to be enjoyed by the aristocrats.
And spare me the "you called me an idiot" whimper routine, please. If you actually believe the sarcastic remarks in my first paragraph you are an idiot.
@mtb416 "rior to Henry Ford the "automobile" was nothing more than a novelty item to be enjoyed by the aristocrats."
So, in your mind, if it were not for Henry Ford, we'd all still be riding horses? An 'invention' is creating something NEW, not improving something that already exists.
"And spare me the "you called me an idiot" whimper routine, please."
Do you think I am offended? Let me reiterate. The 'idiot' line is the preserve of weak-minded fools like you who are too stupid for debate.
@BigGee84 Go check out the Top Gear video where Jeremy and James reveal which car revolutionized the way cars are built and driven today. Guess which car first had a key ignition? Guess which car had all the pedals in the order they are seen today? GUESS! Cadillac! And you say America never contributed to the Auto industry? The Brits had to copy Cadillacs ideas and sell them. LOL! Go watch the video!
@BigGee84 The first mass production of the automobile took place in America, this is why I stated that "America invented the automobile industry" and not that "America invented the automobile." If developing an industry were the same as inventing a product than you would be correct, but in actuality they are far different. If you can come to understand the difference than you will also come to realize how you are wrong.
@mtb416 "If developing an industry were the same as inventing a product than you would be correct".
Hu-fucking-rray. So you understand that industries are DEVELOPED, not invented? Do you now understand why claiming that America INVENTED the automobile industry is retarded?
Industries arise from small-scale production and GROW at a rate dictated by supply and demand. The origin of an industry is where production FIRST OCCURED, and in this case, that was Germany.
@BigGee84 BigGee, this all started because you had a problem with me stating the UK cannot make a decent car for a decent price; most people would agree. Considering you cited Lotus, Aston Martin, McLaren, etc., I think your own words have proven me correct.
Your rantings are just one pathetic straw-man argument after another. This will be the last comment.
@mtb416 "UK cannot make a decent car for a decent price"
1. The likes of Aston/McLaren/Noble etc... are sold at MARKET VALUE.
2. We have Jaguar, which competes very well with BMW and Audi. Take a look at the XK. Does America produce anything comparable? If you cite 'Cadillac', you are on crack.
3. Lotus cars, while not luxurious, are good value when the performance is considered. Name one American car in the Elise's price range that could outperform it.
@BigGee84 As I stated at the very beginning, you're just not a fan of anything American. In the future, just be upfront about it rather than digress into weak straw-man retorts and absurd statements as "America has not contributed anything to the automobile industry"
Your comparisons are simply dishonest. If you don't like Cadillac than fine, I really don't care, just realize that is a matter of taste, not quality. Performance wise a CTS-V will kill anything BMW, Benz, Jaguar makes and will do so for thousands less.
You're comparing cars costing thousands yet you can honestly feel the value argument falls in your favor? You literally do not make sense.
An Elise would get its ass kicked around the track by the standard, and cheaper, Corvette
1) An M5 is 86k without a single option or TTL. You're comparing a V10 with a V8. 2) The CLK63 is a two-door race car; the CTS-V is a four door luxury car. That being said, it would be a good race to 60mph. An SL65, which costs 200k (130k+ more than a CTS-V) would lose this race to the Cadillac.
3) The XF-R, a beautiful car which actually matches up price wise, would get absolutely slaughtered both on the track and drag strip against a CTS-V.
@BigGee84 A CTS-V does "naught to 60" in 3.9 in the handles of a capable driver. That bests all the cars you mention. I don't know what else to tell you.
@BigGee84 actually the cts-v has one of the fastest times around the nurburgring for a 4 door car,at one point it did have the fastest time around the track,it,also crushes the xf-r and m5,especially the M5,in straight lining performance.now far as the sl65,i don't the v would kill that however tho
@BigGee84 And if GM spent billions of dollars on research for their cars like BMW has done over the last decades, they'd would BMW. Cadillac just started trying to compete with BMW in this segment, and they're already whooping BMW on the N-Ring. What's UK have that is competing against the Cadillac CTS-V? Oh, that's right: NOTHING! HAHA! You should shut up now, boy. You embarrass yourself! :)
I can name you quite a few Mercedes with much lower than 100 hp per liter. What say you now, boy?
@BigGee84 I love how you purposely omit such things as "Performance wise a CTS-V will kill anything BMW, Benz, Jaguar makes AND WILL DO SO FOR THOUSANDS LESS" Though I can appreciate your willingness to bend anything in your favor, the obvious implication along with my explicity stating the high cost of European brands, is that to compete Euro brands must charge a very high premium. This brings us back to the initial point you responded to, it takes the UK 300K to make the Bentley a Bentley.
@mtb416 "I love how you purposely omit such things as "Performance wise a CTS-V will kill...."
What? Are you on crack? YOU are the one who claimed that a "CTS-V will kill anything BMW, Merc or Jag makes"! A comment only a clueless fuckwit like YOU would make!
"...is that to compete Euro brands must charge a premium..."
I cannot believe you are still here. Firstly, that makes NO SENSE. Secondly, why are people willing to pay more for European cars? Did you know 3-series outsell Mondeos here?
@BigGee84 And you chickensh$t Brits should stop claiming BMWs and other NON-Brit cars, because they do not represent British people. Stop COATTAILING on the Germans back! LOL! Europe is not a country like America is, so stop acting like it is. If you're from Croatia, then compare Croat cars to American cars. If you're from the UK, then compare UK cars to American cars. If you're from Italy, then compare Italian cars to American cars. Only chickens try to bring foreigners in to try and help fight
@BigGee84 Imported American cars will always be more expensive in EU/UK, as compared to home grown cars like your Lotus. The import tax raises all the prices on American cars being sold in the EU. That's not American car makers fault, but EU fault and jealousy because they do not want true competition from America since they know the EU will lose.
@BigGee84 100K car, like the XK, is not a decent price. Perhaps you could argue it's a "value" at 100K, but any way you cut it a 100k car is expensive. Your comment only proves me correct in stating that the UK must charge a premium to produce a decent car. Unfortunately you're too inbred to realize this. You from Wales?
@BigGee84 Does the UK have equivalents to GM, Ford and other American car companies? Nope. So shut your mouth, boy. You've no room to speak. Europe is not a country, so stop acting like it is. Should Mexico or Canada brag about American cars, simply because they're all on the same continent as America? NOPE! So shut your mouth. :)
@BigGee84 That's mainly because American car companies knew they could get away with selling cheap cars to Americans without having to worry about threats from the outside. Trust me, if Mexico or Canada made cars just as good as Europeans, then American car companies would have stepped up their game a long time ago, but your brain isn't working too well to understand that. American cars are getting better though because the fire was lit under their butts not long ago.
@BigGee84 HAHAH! Now you're saying Lotus was involved with the Z06? Mosler MT900? (yes, it's American!) Saleen S7?
You're desperate now. If Lotus is SO good, they'd build cars that easily rival the Porsche 911, Ferrari 430, etc. like the Corvette Z06 currently does in performance on the N-Ring. Lotus does not. You are just really desperate and pathetic. Stop embarrassing yourself! Stop! LOL!
@Northax You are one obsessive little cunt. Fuck off and do some research. Before Lotus came along and showed you how to build sports cars, you didn't have a fucking clue. And without Lotus, there'd be no GT40 - another "American" icon. You honestly believe the Corvette would be a credible Porsche contender without the extensive involvement of Lotus over the years? LOL!
@BigGee84 You're reaching quite a bit here. If Lotus is SO good, again, they'd be making cars that rival and/or beat the Porsche 911, Ferrari F430, etc. on the N-ring. Lotus, being European, has had many years to try and compete with Germans and Italians, yet they simply chose not to? NO! It's because they simply CANNOT do it, or else if they could, they WOULD! Get a brain, stop trying to ride on the backs of American car companies now. lol! You're desperate and pathetic.
BMW 3-series (new E90 has love/hate looks, but the E46 is a beauty), almost every new Audi, Saab 9-3, Ford Mondeo, Ford Focus (international) Aston Martin DB9 (yes its more expensive but its a looker anyway)
They produce them, but they are not the companies HQ. Could be wrong, but there are no major brands produced by UK. By major I mean vehicles produced in high quantities.
@frankerspanker Cadillac CTS, CTS-V, Corvette Z06 are American and it turn good. So what you just said about "Which is why it probably drives as good as it does" is pretty clueless, just like you. Why isn't the UK making cars like GM or Ford is? Why can't you stand on your own feet without Ford or GM to hold you up? You Brits, or any other people born and living in countries that DO NOT make cars, should shut up until YOU make cars on the same level and quantity as American car companies.
I'm not British. apparently you are clueless (and pretty lifeless considering how old my post here was.
quality>quantity. Ford and GM do not hold us up. GM's are not sold in Europe FOR A REASON (except for Opel).
same with Ford, the cars Ford Europe produces are way more popular than Ford USA, which are barely sold either. want an example? the ford Fiesta. finally coming out in the USA after it being a huge hit in Europe, while Mustangs and F-150's are not sold or dont catch on.
@frankerspanker I go to read all comments, and respond no matter how old they are. See how you responded to mine? It's because it emailed you and told you, right? Dimwit. Time doesn't matter; what's being said is what matters. You numbskull. lol
Ford Europe has the competition over there to stay alive, that's why the models seem better over there. If, say Mexicans or Canadians made cars like Europeans, trust me, American car companies would have improved a long time ago to stay alive.
@Northax the fact that you call me names says ALOT about you. thats not winning a discussion. its called Ad Hominem. using arguments against the person in a vain attempt to win a discussion
indeed, America does a lot of things extremely well. cities in the middle of the desert. it developed very fast and technologically very advanced.
but on the car department, most of them just are not as good as European cars. I live in the US so don't say I dont know.
@frankerspanker Most dimwit Eurotrash just assume "AMericans cannot build good cars" like morons. They do not have braincells enough to think that it's because American car companies can sell cheap cars without direct competition here since Europeans are not geographically close to us, thus their cars are mainly not shipped here, and if they are, it's more expensive because of the import prices, etc. But once the fire is lit under GM and Fords asses, they start improving to survive! It's simple.
This is a great car, powerful and handles well as the show proves.. Does Croatia produce cars?? what do they do well? nothing!! everything in croatia is crap including you. Before you talk bad on America look at your loser country that no one thinks about or cares about.
of course i know Acura is the luxury division of Honda like Caddy is GM and Hondas have good materials and fir and finish
MaddDogg81 22 hours ago
pfft the Acura TL back then had a 3.2 liter 260-270hp V6
MaddDogg81 1 week ago
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MaddDogg81 1 week ago
Acura has great plastics and interior materials
MaddDogg81 1 week ago
@MaddDogg81 You do realise that Acura is a branch of Honda...
sathos 1 day ago
Love the car, but the smug Brit dickhead needs to go through the windscreen.
dagr382 1 week ago
Europeans put American car companies down and say Americans do not know how to make good cars because this is them trying to convince themselves that Europeans are supposedly better / smarter than Americans, when in reality Americans have made and still make among the best technology in the world when we want to: Jet aircraft (F-22, Boeing 787, B-2, etc.), Apple, IBM, Microsoft are all American companies; Hollywood - best movies and TV in the world. The Internet, YouTube, Facebook -> American
Northax 10 months ago
@Northax Yes Northax but none of those are cars. This is the point, American cars are great in America but in Europe we have been used to so much more for far longer that truly American cars come across as basic and often not well built and don't survive well over here. Some of the top American cars are only just moving into fully independent suspension, ours have had it so long they are moving onto multi point geometry, it's just different car culture.
sathos 1 day ago
Europeans put American car companies down and say Americans do not know how to make good cars because this is them trying to convince themselves that Europeans are supposedly better / smarter than Americans, when in reality Americans have made and still make among the best technology in the world when we want to: Jet aircraft (F-22, Boeing 787, B-2, etc.), Apple, IBM, Microsoft are all American companies; Hollywood - best movies and TV in the world. The Internet, YouTube, Facebook -> American
Northax 10 months ago
i dont get why any one cars about how the dash not like you go and touch it every day
IMfckinDIESEL 10 months ago
As for American car companies never truly caring about cornering? Look at American roads, they are not tiny, nor most of them cornering. Most are STRAIGHT! Most Americans cared much more about just traveling long distances, because America is over 3000 miles in length, and many travel cross country with lots of stuff inside for vacationing and whatnot. No one needs to go fast around corners in the U.S., that is why they never made fast cornering cars here. GET A BRAIN! I thought you were smart?
Northax 10 months ago
Ive been to Europe and I punched one of you little faggots for puttin my camaro down after I went and rented on then raced him in his BMW POS and kicked his ass on the track and then proceded to beat the fuck out of him. and I graduated from Harvard so you know that Im not a redneck bitch so try me Ill kick any of you scrawny bitch fuck crocked tooth motha fuckas any day of the week.
Coolkat6666666666 1 year ago
@Coolkat6666666666
come on then, BITCH!!
gabber803 11 months ago
@Coolkat6666666666
HAHAHAHAA!! wow, beautiful! Perfect example of an American. Violent with a touch of retarded.
teh1owner 11 months ago
americans are smart enough to remember which latch opens the hood and which one is for the emergency brake sorry Hamster
jayhawker4149 1 year ago
I don't spend my time while driving touching and molesting the top of my dash and worrying about the plastic-y feel of it. BMW does the same thing of using plastic woodgrain, etc. They use the same type of aluminum hoods, plastic panels, etc. I'll agree with a few things from this vid. The parking brake release and the hood release are wayyyy too close. LOL Once you own it for a while though, you'll never have that issue. The CTS is faster then 7.6 in 0-60 for sure. I'd say 7.0 in a 3.2 v6 stock
oDTheTruth 1 year ago
@oDTheTruth No they don't. The new BMW's use REAL, thick, aluminum, not plastic. Same with the woods.
TheJamezMan 11 months ago
@TheJamezMan Go research it. They had a thin sheet of wood, wrapped in plastic for alot of the interiors, and they use the same aluminum on a majority of the outside panels as well. There's nothing WRONG with it, its just that Top Gear criticizes things on American cars just because its an american car. Its light aluminum, there is PLASTIC in the BMWs, and I'm not lying. Search "CNET-BMW 650i Convertible Review". 2:07 I've read the thing with the woodgrain on one of the 3 series.
oDTheTruth 11 months ago
@oDTheTruth I've seen and felt the materials. It's not all plastic, that is the main point. All the Cadillac's I've ever driven in/owned have been BETTER than the German or Japanese cars for reliability and long-term driving. That's not to say the American cars have better quality, because they don't. Everything else is great from my experience. Worst quality car for reliability I've owned was a Mercedes. NEVER had those problems with Cadillac. I still like Mercedes however.
TheValidity101 11 months ago
@TheValidity101 If you look at the new CTS interior, you'll see the quality on the interiors has gone way up. And Top Gear just tends to bash american cars for the same things they WOULDNT bash german cars for. Im an avid car lover. I know the interior of my 1st gen CTS isn't made with top notch materials, but I don't touch or molest it long enough to really tell. LOL I just don't see the whole point of saying we use aluminum and plastic and laughin when other car makers are doing it
oDTheTruth 11 months ago
@oDTheTruth Yeah I've been in the new CTS. The design is beautiful and the quality is quite good. Top Gear pisses me off with there anti-American bullshit when in Britain there cars are SHIT. The suck up to neighboring countries. The only thing they have right is the Aston-martin. Ford's are made in Germany over there and are better then most European cars by miles. Though you have to give credit to the Germans. Cadillac is reliable, comfortable, smooth, the technology is good ect...
TheValidity101 11 months ago
@TheValidity101 I'm not taking away from the Germans. The British don't have cars. Aston Martin is owned by Ford, Jaguar and Land Rover are owned by an Indian company, etc etc. The British don't really have their own car companies anymore.
oDTheTruth 11 months ago
@oDTheTruth It is true that most of the British cars aren't owned by the country itself, they are still built in the country. There shit anyway.
TheValidity101 11 months ago
@oDTheTruth Aston Martins are no longer owned by Ford. It was bought from Ford in 2007 by a joint group that included David Richards, John Sinders, Adeem Investments and Investment Dar.
nishjaxx 10 months ago
..".not sold in Britain" Not surprised,we've got taste.I've seen more interesting breeze blocks!!
coolsdon 1 year ago
@coolsdon and that coming from a person who is from a country where everyone was fucking their cousins about a 100 years ago.
HDMFly 11 months ago
@HDMFly Really,that's news to me.That comment is worthy of a six year old!
coolsdon 11 months ago
@coolsdon it's news to you? then you must not know very much about your country, because im not from britain and even i know that.
HDMFly 11 months ago
@HDMFly Are you on drugs,or just plain thick? Care to cite your evidence on which you base your absurd comments? P.S you hardly need to point out the fact that not a UK citizen,only an American could come up with your level of stupidity!! I'm dying to hear your explanation though!
coolsdon 11 months ago
im pissed at my friend cuz he thinks he knows everything about cars cuz he watches shit gear, its just a biased gay british trio trying to look bad ass because theyre still pissed at what happened at 1776 and how the US owned them
0mgwtfbbq21 1 year ago
@0mgwtfbbq21 Or could it be that no one buys American cars other than,well Americans!!!!!!
coolsdon 1 year ago
What the of the music that start at 4:36?
TheJohn7600 1 year ago
@TheJohn7600 Far From Grace - Doves
schrick 1 month ago
they need to do the new cts. it aint no plastic 59 year old car. and the age of cadillac went from 59 to like 30 so, whatever
theotherguy245689 1 year ago
Still sore about 1776?
needstoregister 1 year ago
is t his last generation??
donzaliko 1 year ago
you know what really upsets me america doesn't get Luxury saying basically we all are cheap have no clue what luxury is im sorry we used to be the most successful country in the world until our biggest mistake ever buying foreign things our cars were luxury way before any other car in the world. Cadillac was the first luxury car. i do have to say our cars should be alittle more luxurious for the price but the all new Cadillac CTS i mean 2008 - 2011 have like no plastics. Dont put America Down
TheCadillac62 1 year ago
Viva Colombia
makial007 1 year ago
I just bought one and I am loving it. I am an Aussie who lives in London. Back home I have a supercharged V6 Ford. After 2 years of a fiesta here in London I feel whole again. Yes it is a big rig and uses a shitload of fuel. But it makes me happy to rip it up in the streets of London and on the motorway it is quality.
neurocowboy 1 year ago
I think America is slowly leaving the automotive world. Obama gave the first signal couple weeks ago. This would be the best decision.
If you want reliable everyday car you get a japanese car.
If you want everything and you have money you get a german car.
If you have millions and you want a maniac car you get an italian.
so american car makers are for what??? maybe if you are a farmer wanna be you may look for a truck.
E60BMWM5 1 year ago
@E60BMWM5 You left out Australia. If you want a simple, practical, safe, fast, reliable but also luxury (although I am stretching a bit far on luxury), purchase a Holden Commodore - which is the Pontiac G8 in America (thats right you guys didn't design or build this car) or the Vauxhall VXR8 in Britain. The guys on top gear have all said how much they love it.
gnarly79 1 year ago
I think ram is spot on
TexasNova 1 year ago
Americans are European descendents ( germans, dutch, british etc) so...Europe is the original and America is a copy. Science, arts, technology etc etc were all born in europe. Europe`s the cradle of modern civilization. of course i`m not mencioning Maya culture, Persian, Asian cultures that were pretty advanced. so, north america was all about indians riding their horses eheheh the true americans the others just came and stole.even the brightiest scientists on america were german ex nazis.
rammstein2001 1 year ago
@rammstein2001 And Germanic Nordic people were nothing before the Mediterranean Romans moved up north and and then the Germanics invaded and stole their technology, if you truly want to go back in history. So everyone takes from each other and builds. Ha?
Read a history book ! :)
Northax 10 months ago
I'm American. My idea of luxury is a Jaguar XF (the new one) and my idea of handling is an Audi R8. Not like the old wallowing Chevys and things.
AudiABTr8 1 year ago
CTS isn't a nice car. Its a POS. Even Americans agree it's a POS. I own a CTS-V and its a POS. The new models are catching up with the Germans though.
Miker300000 1 year ago
ahahah what's that song when the sts comes out?
Arsonphonix 1 year ago
bob hope in golf trousers.. i remember that commercial.
and..
i own a 2004 CTS .. it's great!
itisian 1 year ago
i am a former jaguar man turned cadillac man. i ve owned an 89 xj6 2005 xj8 and a 2002 xjr. here is my two cents. jags are like a beautiful women with a vd. they are awesome to look at, designed gorgeous, but mechanicaly a freakin nightmare! everything from microswitches burning out to radiator hoses falling off , to transmissions that have no drain plug! i love my caddy xlr, and my deville. the feel of material pales in comparison but they are more fun and less to maintain!
mikejaggerr 1 year ago
lets compare a cadillac sts from 1994 and a jaguar from the same era, see which one needs a tune up first, the brits are so crass and ego driven its nearly pathetic, inferior motor cars inferior speedways inferior military, theres a reason why brits talk so much shit about america and you rarely see an american mentioning a brit in an ill manner. JEALOUSY cut and dry
rjhnsn7 1 year ago
@rjhnsn7
Clarkson complained about British Leyland cars to the point that the workers blamed him for their factory closing. He complains about cars that are bad from every nationality.
What on earth does the military have to do with the flaws of American cars? You are just chauvinistic about your country and are taking the criticism personally. The fact of the matter is, while Cadillac are fine for around the town driving on wide American roads, they were not good for challenging drives
ihaveadesk1 1 year ago
@ihaveadesk1 im guessing the international benchmark track isn't a challenging track? I guess beating bmw, audi, and merc at their own game isn't that great. Esspecially seeing how cadillac pulled this out of no where. This is a great car through and through. Smooth as a caddy sharp as a bmw. Not to mention its half the price, twice as fast and when you buy one you don't wake up at 4am to beat the rush at starbucks to buy 50dollar coffee at so you wont be fatigue sitting on your ass all day
ChaseSpeer 1 year ago
@ChaseSpeer
I agree that this car is great. The person I was replying to was talking about Cadillacs in the 1990s and saying it was only the British jealousy that led them to not being liked there for their performance. That is why I quoted an American magazine which said the same thing about earlier Cadillacs, they could not handle sustained performance driving (though most of them tended to be quite reliable otherwise, particularly for GM), unlike powerful cars that are built to run in Euro
ihaveadesk1 1 year ago
@rjhnsn7
Continued:
And you don't have to be British to see that:
"That we could even contemplate putting a Cadillac up against the best from BMW and Audi and not have the thing left gasping and wheezing, brakes on fire and suspension turned to mush after three days of hammering around Bavaria shows how far Caddy has come from the days when most of its customers left their teeth in a glass by the bed at night."
Motor Trend "Comparison: 2013 Audi RS 5 vs 2011 BMW M3 vs 2011 Cadillac CTS-V"
ihaveadesk1 1 year ago
I dont understand why American cars were sooo bad at sometimes. They make some great cars but sometimes fuck it up. And for along time they really made some shitty cars, why idk.
scm11904 1 year ago
@scm11904 In the 90s all cars lacked. If you ask me it was due to the massive proliferation in cash via the growing IT sector.
mtb416 1 year ago
@scm11904
It's because GM, Chrysler, and Ford cut too many corners to keep prices down. There's this thinking of "Americans want trucks and SUVs, not cars". Bob Lutz of GM has publicly said it. So the BIg 3 made BAD ones, a lot of them, then wondered why nobody bought them. Then when there's a crisis, they start making decent cars . They have a bigger profit margin on trucks and SUVs. Cars are harder to make money for them.
captainalbator 1 year ago
Errrr! Hammond, it is Nordschliefe, not Nordeschleife. Before you correct the spelling of American presidents, if you want to use an original pronounciation for german, learn first how it is pronounced right.
Fussinated 1 year ago
I love this, Americans admire British, and British make a Britishit out of Americans. LOL, Chase Usama bin Laden so that British should despise you in peace.
Fussinated 1 year ago
this dude is a douche bag
bighead29058 1 year ago
thats alitle obnoxious, we dont say common sense is as strange to you guys as a toothbrush
trobe23z 1 year ago 21
@trobe23z but brits have really white teeth usually i moved there for a couple years and all the rumors aren't true xD
megasword33 1 year ago
the new STS is pretty good
coolgames14 1 year ago
john hennessy, what a tool
blacksrt8cherokee 1 year ago
This model is OK, but the current version is light years ahead ni terms of interior refinement and overall finish. The only Gen I CTS that I'd consider is the V model with the C5 Z06 engine.
uncleflaco 1 year ago
the uk blows goats.
uno6314 1 year ago
The reason why they don' t sell it in England is because its too small of a market to make all the right hand conversions pointless.
eemiri2004 1 year ago 2
"Or a president who can spell" Well now they replaced him with a president who can't speak unless he has an autocue.
MrLaughandgrowfat 1 year ago
@MrLaughandgrowfat Every president since the dawn of television broadcast has used that.
patient451 1 year ago
@MrLaughandgrowfat
Unlike Sarah Palin who has to write notes ON HER HAND!
captainalbator 1 year ago
where is the clarkson test of the sts??? it was an old episode,,,
gustavorebeka8 1 year ago
These cars are pretty good i have the 2007 3,6L and a 2007 cts v in my collection of cars,im no pimp nor a an old woman but a british pilot. with several american cars..
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The old Seville STS was an great car performance 0-100 6,7s, 9l/100km if you drove it within in the speed limits and an exellent in driving long distances. It also had speed sensitive suspension so it wasn't soft and it didn't roll like other american cars with leaf springs yet it was extreemly comfortable
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cadillacs are for old women and pimps
97sigalos 2 years ago
Yep it does look&handle like a pig, awful car.
MrPepperedSteak 2 years ago
Mozilla FYI Americans did not invent the Automobile, do your research Mercedes Benz invented the automobile.
GQAlix 2 years ago
@GQAlix
Henry Ford invented the "horseless carriage".
captainalbator 1 year ago
which year's model is this ... i mean is this CTS 2005 ?
MrWasif54 2 years ago
I believe this to be the 2003 since they called it new, and the engine was a 3.2L.
I own this 03.
oDTheTruth 2 years ago
What cars does the UK even make? The Bentley? Wow, you mean you can get a nice car for only 300K!?!?!
mtb416 2 years ago
@mtb416 try morgan,atom,lotus,ford...ect ect ect... even the usa's own cars are made elsewhere!(did you know the new Camero is made here in Canada?)
grahamkeithtodd 2 years ago
Morgan, atom, lotus? That's really what you're going to say. Lotus has been no where for years minus their 4 cylinders. Morgan is a boutique car for rich people. Very nice, though they source a BMW engine.
I know it's a global market, but I judge by where most of the dollars end up. Toyota produces all Tundra's in San Antonio, but I would NEVER call Toyota American. Their engines powered Kamikazee's, no way in hell would I ever call them "American"
mtb416 2 years ago
@grahamkeithtodd That's because it's cheaper to be built there, like in Mexico. You're saying Mexicans build/design cars better than Americans could? LOL! No. It means American car companies get their cars ASSMEBLED outside of America because it's cheaper. That's why a lot of products are made in China, too, and shipped to America: CHEAP to buy for American companies and then they sell them for more price, then that = more profit. You people have little brains, huh? lol! Doesn't make it Canadian
Northax 10 months ago
@grahamkeithtodd If Americans assemble BMW's here, does that make those BMWs American? NO! We'd just put them together, not DESIGN THEM!
Man you people are clueless. LMAO!
Northax 10 months ago
@Northax sorry old son the only one that is clueless is YOU! BMW have a design studio in the USA!
hence the rather odd looking BMW's coming out over the last few years
grahamkeithtodd 10 months ago
Mini, Land Rover, Jag, Aston Martin, Lotus, list goes on and on
Anaszi 2 years ago
Not really, it stops about there. And NONE of those except the mini is driven by the "commoner" - again, if a 'good car' costs 50k plus then sure, England makes good cars.
mtb416 2 years ago
Correct. Still a lot less than 300k.
Anaszi 2 years ago
Even so, You're comparing Apples to Oranges and you know it. And a Bentley is 300k, that's where that figure came from.
Ford makes cars that normal people drive. Rover's suffer from terrible issues, trust me, I have owned one.
mtb416 2 years ago 2
@mtb416 aston martin, tvr, nobel, mg, mini and lotus.everything from british leyland. next time u criticise a country make sure u know a couple of things about it. idiot.
B789c 1 year ago
@B789c Mini is owned by the Germans and all the rest are boutique manufacturers with perhaps the only exception being Aston Martin which was just sold by Ford. TVR has been plagued with problems for years, from administration to actual vehicles. You sir, are the idiot.
mtb416 1 year ago 3
@mtb416 Who says you can't put a price on quality built cars eh?
Zenkchi99 1 year ago
@Zenkchi99 Nobody. I'm speaking about the self-induced ignorance of Top Gear. Of course they chose Richard Hammond for this particular piece because he's more fair in his critique, whereas the others are always stuck on nationalist, and anti-national, ideals.
That being said Top Gear is the best car show to date. Take it easy.
mtb416 1 year ago
@mtb416 It's worth 300k for a reason... They're not cheap, tacky piles of shite like the so called 'luxury' cars of america.
2491cc 1 year ago
@2491cc lol, It's cute how hurt you are.
And America has never truly went into the luxury market until recently. We invented and perfected the mass-production of vehicles, not just kept up the status-quo that only the rich could have one as the English have long loved and kept going.
mtb416 1 year ago
@mtb416 haha VW owns Bentley now, and has since 1998
fruitychewz1 1 year ago
@fruitychewz1 It was meant to express the differences between the respective countries we were discussing. So.....
mtb416 1 year ago
@mtb416 Bentley is german lol they're owned by VW
Konformation07 1 year ago
@Konformation07 Toyota's are made in America but would you call Toyota an American car brand? Some advice: shut up.
mtb416 1 year ago
@mtb416 VW actually owns Bentley go look it up you imbecile
Konformation07 1 year ago
@Konformation07 Hey, imbecile, I never said that was wrong. Again, take the advice and shut up. Go listen to your soundgarden or something, haha
mtb416 1 year ago
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@mtb416 you should practice what you preach
Konformation07 1 year ago
@mtb416 You should what the fuck a subsidiary is.
mtb416 1 year ago
@mtb416 The parts are all made over in Asia there assembled her not made here there put together her like a cheap toys!
TheCadillac62 1 year ago
@mtb416 "What cars does the UK even make?"
Are you fucking serious? Jaguar, Lotus, Range Rover, Aston Martin, McLaren, Ariel, Caterham, Noble, Ascari... Some of them maybe foreign owned, but they're still designed and built here.
You stick to your F.Ugly Cadillacs.
BigGee84 1 year ago
@BigGee84 Take away cottage brands and you're stuck with Land Rover, Jaguar, and Aston Martin. Take away anything less than 100k and you're stuck with the former two. Take away anything that has "value" in it and you're stuck with nothing.
First off, you obviously can't appreciate someone being facetious. Second, I'm not really a Cadillac fan. Third, the Cadillac will burn all those except the Noble. You can't compare open-wheel cars to a luxury sports sedan. Though of course you can try.
mtb416 1 year ago
@mtb416 Point 1: You count McLaren and Lotus as 'Cottage Brands'? What I find amazing is that America, despite its colossal size, has yet to produce anything of note in the automotive industry. American cars are synonymous with 'cheap', and for good reason. As for your sports cars, take away anything that Lotus was not heavily involved in the design of, and you have... the fucking Viper.
"the Cadillac will burn all those except the Noble"
I'm sure there is a punchline in there somewhere.
BigGee84 1 year ago
@BigGee84 Go look at the Nurburgring times for the CTS-V, Viper, and Corvette, then compare them to UK offerings. That should be a funny exercise. And the punchline is your juxtaposition of Cadillac with McLaren, not that's funny and pathetic. All your bloviating is predicated upon an overall anti-American sentiment you carry around anyways. Saying that "America has yet to produce anything of note" is factually stupid. Get over it, unless it's overpriced the UK CANNOT produce a car of value.
mtb416 1 year ago
@mtb416 "he punchline is your juxtaposition of Cadillac with McLaren"
Nope, that was you.
"All your bloviating is predicated upon an overall anti-American sentiment"
So it's anti-Americanism when I present an argument discrediting yours? You made a stupid comment and I jumped on it. All's fair kiddo.
"Saying that "America has yet to produce anything of note" is factually stupid"
*In the automotive industry. Give me an example of an American equivalent of a DBS or an M600.
BigGee84 1 year ago
@BigGee84 American literally invented the automobile industry, so at the very least America has "produced something of note" by allowing mass production of vehicles to be made possible. People like you really get under my skin. It's as if you're unable to think about anything that isn't already in that tiny brain of yours.
mtb416 1 year ago
@mtb416 "American literally invented the automobile industry"
Here we go. Just like you captured Enigma, right? Germany is credited with inventing both the internal combustion engine and the first car. So spare us the usual 'America invented this and that' crap.
"It's as if you're unable to think about anything that isn't already in that tiny brain of yours. "
That makes absolutely no sense.
BigGee84 1 year ago
@BigGee84 What makes absolutely no sense is your misunderstanding of "industry" and the fact that Ford perfected, if not truly invented, the assembly line. I'm well aware the Germans invented the first car.
How long is it going to take for you to realize you're an idiot?
mtb416 1 year ago
@mtb416 "Ford perfected, if not truly invented, the assembly line."
And I could counter with 'Britain started the Industrial Revolution' with the rest of the world playing catch-up for 50 years. We're talking about the current state of the automotive industry, and currently, America is behind.
"How long is it going to take for you to realize you're an idiot?"
Ah, the pungent smell of desperation. When your argument fails, resort to juvenile insults. Wow, I'm so offended.
BigGee84 1 year ago
@BigGee84 American invented the car industry, this is just fact. Your incessant straw-man routine is tiring, stupid, and indicative of your inability to realize when you're wrong.
The UK can make good vehicles, but not at the price any normal person could afford. You make mind-bendingly stupid generalizations such as "America never contributed anything to the auto industry" and you expect to be taken seriously? Please, you sound like an idiot and therefore I called you one. Go whimper.
mtb416 1 year ago
@mtb416 "American invented the car industry"
From Wiki: "Benz was granted a patent for his automobile on 29 January 1886, and began the first production of automobiles in 1888"
You accuse me of "mind-bendingly stupid generalizations" after claiming 'America invented the car industry'? And YOU expect to be taken seriously?
"Please, you sound like an idiot"
The old "you're an idiot" line is used by people like you who pretend to know more than they do, and lack the intelligence for debate.
BigGee84 1 year ago
@BigGee84 Your right BigGee, America has in no way, shape, or form contributed to the production of the automobile. Again, America has in no, way, shape, or form contributed at all to the industry of automobile production. Again.......
Prior to Henry Ford the "automobile" was nothing more than a novelty item to be enjoyed by the aristocrats.
And spare me the "you called me an idiot" whimper routine, please. If you actually believe the sarcastic remarks in my first paragraph you are an idiot.
mtb416 1 year ago
@mtb416 "rior to Henry Ford the "automobile" was nothing more than a novelty item to be enjoyed by the aristocrats."
So, in your mind, if it were not for Henry Ford, we'd all still be riding horses? An 'invention' is creating something NEW, not improving something that already exists.
"And spare me the "you called me an idiot" whimper routine, please."
Do you think I am offended? Let me reiterate. The 'idiot' line is the preserve of weak-minded fools like you who are too stupid for debate.
BigGee84 1 year ago
@BigGee84 Go check out the Top Gear video where Jeremy and James reveal which car revolutionized the way cars are built and driven today. Guess which car first had a key ignition? Guess which car had all the pedals in the order they are seen today? GUESS! Cadillac! And you say America never contributed to the Auto industry? The Brits had to copy Cadillacs ideas and sell them. LOL! Go watch the video!
Northax 10 months ago
@BigGee84 The first mass production of the automobile took place in America, this is why I stated that "America invented the automobile industry" and not that "America invented the automobile." If developing an industry were the same as inventing a product than you would be correct, but in actuality they are far different. If you can come to understand the difference than you will also come to realize how you are wrong.
mtb416 1 year ago
@mtb416 "If developing an industry were the same as inventing a product than you would be correct".
Hu-fucking-rray. So you understand that industries are DEVELOPED, not invented? Do you now understand why claiming that America INVENTED the automobile industry is retarded?
Industries arise from small-scale production and GROW at a rate dictated by supply and demand. The origin of an industry is where production FIRST OCCURED, and in this case, that was Germany.
BigGee84 1 year ago
@BigGee84 BigGee, this all started because you had a problem with me stating the UK cannot make a decent car for a decent price; most people would agree. Considering you cited Lotus, Aston Martin, McLaren, etc., I think your own words have proven me correct.
Your rantings are just one pathetic straw-man argument after another. This will be the last comment.
mtb416 1 year ago
@mtb416 "UK cannot make a decent car for a decent price"
1. The likes of Aston/McLaren/Noble etc... are sold at MARKET VALUE.
2. We have Jaguar, which competes very well with BMW and Audi. Take a look at the XK. Does America produce anything comparable? If you cite 'Cadillac', you are on crack.
3. Lotus cars, while not luxurious, are good value when the performance is considered. Name one American car in the Elise's price range that could outperform it.
You need to do some research kiddo.
BigGee84 1 year ago
@BigGee84 As I stated at the very beginning, you're just not a fan of anything American. In the future, just be upfront about it rather than digress into weak straw-man retorts and absurd statements as "America has not contributed anything to the automobile industry"
mtb416 1 year ago
@mtb416 "you're just not a fan of anything American"
Not at all. What I'm not a fan of is the absurd claims made by people like you.
BigGee84 1 year ago
@BigGee84
Your comparisons are simply dishonest. If you don't like Cadillac than fine, I really don't care, just realize that is a matter of taste, not quality. Performance wise a CTS-V will kill anything BMW, Benz, Jaguar makes and will do so for thousands less.
You're comparing cars costing thousands yet you can honestly feel the value argument falls in your favor? You literally do not make sense.
An Elise would get its ass kicked around the track by the standard, and cheaper, Corvette
mtb416 1 year ago
@mtb416 "Performance wise a CTS-V will kill anything BMW, Benz, Jaguar makes..."
This is what I'm talking about. You make ridiculous, childish claims without bothering to do any research. Key points here:
1. A CTS-V does not 'kill' an M5; both perform similarly, despite the M5 lacking forced induction and having a significantly smaller displacement.
2. It wouldn't 'kill' a CLK63 AMG, and certainly not an SL65.
3. It performs similarly to an XF-R.
BigGee84 1 year ago
1) An M5 is 86k without a single option or TTL. You're comparing a V10 with a V8. 2) The CLK63 is a two-door race car; the CTS-V is a four door luxury car. That being said, it would be a good race to 60mph. An SL65, which costs 200k (130k+ more than a CTS-V) would lose this race to the Cadillac.
3) The XF-R, a beautiful car which actually matches up price wise, would get absolutely slaughtered both on the track and drag strip against a CTS-V.
mtb416 1 year ago
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@mtb416 "You're comparing a V10 with a V8"
Now who's the idiot. I'm comparing a 5.0L V10 with a SUPERCHARGED *6.2L* V8.
"The CLK63 is a two-door race car"
It's still a four seater.
"the CTS-V is a four door luxury car"
Apparently American and European definitions of 'luxury' differ somewhat.
"An SL65, ... would lose this race to the Cadillac."
Another stupid, unresearched claim. I see I am wasting my time with you.
"Point" 3: watch?v=59fybrrUGEw
Imagine a 6.2L Jag.
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@mtb416
"You're comparing a V10 with a V8"
Now who's the idiot. I'm comparing a 5.0L V10 with a SUPERCHARGED *6.2L* V8.
"The CLK63 is a two-door race car" It's still a four seater.
"the CTS-V is a four door luxury car"
Apparently American and European definitions of 'luxury' differ somewhat.
"An SL65, ... would lose this race to the Cadillac."
Another stupid, unresearched claim. I see I am wasting my time with you.
"Point" 3: watch?v=59fybrrUGEw
BigGee84 1 year ago
@mtb416
1) I'm comparing a 5.0 V10 with a *6.2*L SUPERCHARGED V8. A supercharged M5 would HAMMER a CTS-V.
" An SL65, which costs 200k (130k+ more than a CTS-V) would lose this race to the Cadillac."
Fuck off and do some research. A CTS-V couldn't TOUCH an SL65.
"The XF-R, a beautiful car which actually matches up price wise, would get absolutely slaughtered both on the track and drag strip against a CTS-V."
Yet more BS. Watch this: watch?v=59fybrrUGEw
Now imagine a 6.2L XF-R.
BigGee84 1 year ago
@BigGee84 A CTS-V does "naught to 60" in 3.9 in the handles of a capable driver. That bests all the cars you mention. I don't know what else to tell you.
mtb416 1 year ago
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@mtb416 "I don't know what else to tell you."
In other words, you've run out of BS 'facts'.
BigGee84 1 year ago
@BigGee84 actually the cts-v has one of the fastest times around the nurburgring for a 4 door car,at one point it did have the fastest time around the track,it,also crushes the xf-r and m5,especially the M5,in straight lining performance.now far as the sl65,i don't the v would kill that however tho
heartboy86 1 year ago
@BigGee84 And if GM spent billions of dollars on research for their cars like BMW has done over the last decades, they'd would BMW. Cadillac just started trying to compete with BMW in this segment, and they're already whooping BMW on the N-Ring. What's UK have that is competing against the Cadillac CTS-V? Oh, that's right: NOTHING! HAHA! You should shut up now, boy. You embarrass yourself! :)
I can name you quite a few Mercedes with much lower than 100 hp per liter. What say you now, boy?
Northax 10 months ago
@BigGee84 I love how you purposely omit such things as "Performance wise a CTS-V will kill anything BMW, Benz, Jaguar makes AND WILL DO SO FOR THOUSANDS LESS" Though I can appreciate your willingness to bend anything in your favor, the obvious implication along with my explicity stating the high cost of European brands, is that to compete Euro brands must charge a very high premium. This brings us back to the initial point you responded to, it takes the UK 300K to make the Bentley a Bentley.
mtb416 1 year ago
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@mtb416 "I love how you purposely omit such things as "Performance wise a CTS-V will kill...."
What? Are you on crack? YOU are the one who claimed that a "CTS-V will kill anything BMW, Merc or Jag makes"! A comment only a clueless fuckwit like YOU would make!
"...is that to compete Euro brands must charge a premium..."
I cannot believe you are still here. Firstly, that makes NO SENSE. Secondly, why are people willing to pay more for European cars? Did you know 3-series outsell Mondeos here?
BigGee84 1 year ago
@BigGee84 And you chickensh$t Brits should stop claiming BMWs and other NON-Brit cars, because they do not represent British people. Stop COATTAILING on the Germans back! LOL! Europe is not a country like America is, so stop acting like it is. If you're from Croatia, then compare Croat cars to American cars. If you're from the UK, then compare UK cars to American cars. If you're from Italy, then compare Italian cars to American cars. Only chickens try to bring foreigners in to try and help fight
Northax 10 months ago
@mtb416 "I love how you purposely omit such things as "Performance wise a CTS-V will kill anything BMW, Benz, Jaguar makes"
Why the fuck would I pay any attention to it? Only a CHILD would make such a remark!
"..to compete Euro brands must charge a premium"
If they couldn't 'compete', they'd have to be CHEAPER! You fucking retard!
"it takes the UK 300K to make the Bentley a Bentley"
And people still pay for them. Would anyone pay that for a Caddillac, or ANY US brand? Very unlikely.
BigGee84 1 year ago
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@mtb416 "An Elise would get its ass kicked around the track by the standard, and cheaper, Corvette"
Another baseless claim. An Elise costs about £28k. The standard Corvette costs around £40k in the UK.
"You're comparing cars costing thousands yet you can honestly feel the value argument falls in your favor? You literally do not make sense."
I'm not the one making stupid, unresearched, fanboyish claims. Go away.
BigGee84 1 year ago
@BigGee84 Imported American cars will always be more expensive in EU/UK, as compared to home grown cars like your Lotus. The import tax raises all the prices on American cars being sold in the EU. That's not American car makers fault, but EU fault and jealousy because they do not want true competition from America since they know the EU will lose.
Northax 10 months ago
@BigGee84 100K car, like the XK, is not a decent price. Perhaps you could argue it's a "value" at 100K, but any way you cut it a 100k car is expensive. Your comment only proves me correct in stating that the UK must charge a premium to produce a decent car. Unfortunately you're too inbred to realize this. You from Wales?
mtb416 1 year ago
@BigGee84 Does the UK have equivalents to GM, Ford and other American car companies? Nope. So shut your mouth, boy. You've no room to speak. Europe is not a country, so stop acting like it is. Should Mexico or Canada brag about American cars, simply because they're all on the same continent as America? NOPE! So shut your mouth. :)
Northax 10 months ago
@BigGee84 That's mainly because American car companies knew they could get away with selling cheap cars to Americans without having to worry about threats from the outside. Trust me, if Mexico or Canada made cars just as good as Europeans, then American car companies would have stepped up their game a long time ago, but your brain isn't working too well to understand that. American cars are getting better though because the fire was lit under their butts not long ago.
Northax 10 months ago
@BigGee84 HAHAH! Now you're saying Lotus was involved with the Z06? Mosler MT900? (yes, it's American!) Saleen S7?
You're desperate now. If Lotus is SO good, they'd build cars that easily rival the Porsche 911, Ferrari 430, etc. like the Corvette Z06 currently does in performance on the N-Ring. Lotus does not. You are just really desperate and pathetic. Stop embarrassing yourself! Stop! LOL!
Northax 10 months ago
@Northax You are one obsessive little cunt. Fuck off and do some research. Before Lotus came along and showed you how to build sports cars, you didn't have a fucking clue. And without Lotus, there'd be no GT40 - another "American" icon. You honestly believe the Corvette would be a credible Porsche contender without the extensive involvement of Lotus over the years? LOL!
BigGee84 10 months ago
@BigGee84 You're reaching quite a bit here. If Lotus is SO good, again, they'd be making cars that rival and/or beat the Porsche 911, Ferrari F430, etc. on the N-ring. Lotus, being European, has had many years to try and compete with Germans and Italians, yet they simply chose not to? NO! It's because they simply CANNOT do it, or else if they could, they WOULD! Get a brain, stop trying to ride on the backs of American car companies now. lol! You're desperate and pathetic.
Northax 10 months ago
Ya, you & Henry Ford together, Tard.
aev7ify 2 years ago
We invented the automobile industry. Jealous much?
mozillagenesis 2 years ago
actually germany did
nipperoid 2 years ago
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mtb416 2 years ago
Americans make some of the UGLIST cars ever! I wouldn't drive this piece of shit even if you gave it to me for free.
JDubs878 2 years ago
If the CTS is ugly what would you consider to be a good looking car?
mtb416 2 years ago
BMW 3-series (new E90 has love/hate looks, but the E46 is a beauty), almost every new Audi, Saab 9-3, Ford Mondeo, Ford Focus (international) Aston Martin DB9 (yes its more expensive but its a looker anyway)
frankerspanker 2 years ago
They produce them, but they are not the companies HQ. Could be wrong, but there are no major brands produced by UK. By major I mean vehicles produced in high quantities.
mtb416 2 years ago
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I responded to 'If the CTS is ugly what would you consider to be a good looking car?'
not if it is produced in the UK or not.
and the Mondeo is not an american car (which is why it probably drives as good as it does), its from Ford Europe, as is the international Ford Focus.
vehicles produced by the uk in high quantities: Jaguar, Vauxhall, Rover (they're not very pretty in my opionion)
frankerspanker 2 years ago
@frankerspanker Cadillac CTS, CTS-V, Corvette Z06 are American and it turn good. So what you just said about "Which is why it probably drives as good as it does" is pretty clueless, just like you. Why isn't the UK making cars like GM or Ford is? Why can't you stand on your own feet without Ford or GM to hold you up? You Brits, or any other people born and living in countries that DO NOT make cars, should shut up until YOU make cars on the same level and quantity as American car companies.
Northax 10 months ago
@Northax
I'm not British. apparently you are clueless (and pretty lifeless considering how old my post here was.
quality>quantity. Ford and GM do not hold us up. GM's are not sold in Europe FOR A REASON (except for Opel).
same with Ford, the cars Ford Europe produces are way more popular than Ford USA, which are barely sold either. want an example? the ford Fiesta. finally coming out in the USA after it being a huge hit in Europe, while Mustangs and F-150's are not sold or dont catch on.
frankerspanker 10 months ago
@frankerspanker I go to read all comments, and respond no matter how old they are. See how you responded to mine? It's because it emailed you and told you, right? Dimwit. Time doesn't matter; what's being said is what matters. You numbskull. lol
Ford Europe has the competition over there to stay alive, that's why the models seem better over there. If, say Mexicans or Canadians made cars like Europeans, trust me, American car companies would have improved a long time ago to stay alive.
Northax 10 months ago
@Northax the fact that you call me names says ALOT about you. thats not winning a discussion. its called Ad Hominem. using arguments against the person in a vain attempt to win a discussion
indeed, America does a lot of things extremely well. cities in the middle of the desert. it developed very fast and technologically very advanced.
but on the car department, most of them just are not as good as European cars. I live in the US so don't say I dont know.
ps not the best TV in the world.
frankerspanker 10 months ago 2
@frankerspanker Most dimwit Eurotrash just assume "AMericans cannot build good cars" like morons. They do not have braincells enough to think that it's because American car companies can sell cheap cars without direct competition here since Europeans are not geographically close to us, thus their cars are mainly not shipped here, and if they are, it's more expensive because of the import prices, etc. But once the fire is lit under GM and Fords asses, they start improving to survive! It's simple.
Northax 10 months ago
To the dumb CroatianVlahek
This is a great car, powerful and handles well as the show proves.. Does Croatia produce cars?? what do they do well? nothing!! everything in croatia is crap including you. Before you talk bad on America look at your loser country that no one thinks about or cares about.
amazingman1000 2 years ago
american peace of shit...
vlahek 2 years ago
Whiee thats near by my house with the windmills! Pretty nice car!
MissyWatson 2 years ago
i once test drove the 3.6L 24v and it was smoooooooth :)
pumpkinzer0 2 years ago
It's ugly
phoenix1333 2 years ago
average owner was 112 years old hahaha
parekh09 2 years ago
Hammond really needs to learn how to speak german...can't even pronounce Nordschleife.
StreikerJ 2 years ago
The comments on the US are too much after awhile.
knoose 2 years ago
The corner is as strange to an American as a small meal or a president who can spell.
Ditto.
Baskentli 2 years ago 4